HeroQuest (2021) Playthrough - Adventure 3: Lair of the Orc Warlord | Let's Play Hasbro's HeroQuest
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.พ. 2022
- Always Board Never Boring recently played through HeroQuest Adventure 3, Lair of the Orc Warlord, using his original 1990 copy of HeroQuest. Today, he's playing that same adventure again, only this time he's using his new Hasbro edition of HeroQuest, and playing with all of the North American rules. Some of the dark denizens of the dungeon are about to get a little bit tougher.
Oh, and as you might expect, this playthrough will spoil the layout and any surprises for the Lair of the Orc Warlord mission. Probably shouldn't watch this video if you intend to tackle this dungeon as a hero at some point.
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In YeOldeInn, we spent years getting wordings right, and now look at that Courage spell!
Love this series. Old or new HQ, I am transfixed.
For my channel, I ran the Trial using the Wizards of Morcar, and made a playthrough video. It went live this morning!
I've seen alot of Heroquest videos lately since rekindling my love for the series and you videos are fantastic. Very informative, straight to the point and enjoyable. Subscriber for life here. Keep up the amazing work
Thank you so much. I really appreciate the kind words and support, and I'm glad you have been enjoying the videos.
Watching these two playthoughs was quite nostalgic. We had the UK version of the game, but I think we used house rules to give the stronger monsters more body points, so in effect stealing that aspect of the American game. Thanks for making these videos!
Thank you for watching.
Great video as always 😊
Loved this video. The close up shots were cool too it made it easier to see what was happening just Like your space crusade videos. Definitely do more of these and space crusade lol my daughter keeps asking too
Thanks so much. It's a bit of a balancing act with HeroQuest, because I think part of the joy of the game is seeing the dungeon unfold in the pulled back shot I did in my first HeroQuest playthrough, but at the same time you want to make sure you are showing off the action. I'm holding off on more HeroQuest playthroughs for a little while because I am playing through the campaign with some people who watch my channel sometimes, and I don't want them to get advance notice of what the dungeons are like before they see them in a game.
Loving these play throughs! I play COURAGE spell as you did. 🙂
Thanks. It seems the most logical way to use the card to me.
Epic rolls! What a game 👏👏👏
Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Love to see gameplay videos. We play Courage the same way, it’s in effect until the target can’t see any more monsters.
Would love seeing you give Melar’s Maxe a go. That was lots of fun.
Melar's Maze would be really difficult to shoot, because the heroes are scattered all over the place. That mission is crazy. Edit: I just realised I was thinking of the Castle of Mystery scenario, rather than Melar's Maze!
You had a great run of getting treasure with the treasure cards!
I checked a few cards after the game. The next card was coins, then a trap, and then three wandering monsters. I stopped searching at just the right time, it seems!
You and that barbarian might need to get a room at this rate 😃 can't wait to play it
He's too much of a loner. He never answers my calls - I guess he's too busy answering that call to adventure Hasbro is always banging on about. I hope you have a lot of fun when you get to play.
Great vid.
Thank you.
My son and I played through this quest today for our very first time! We were pretty intimidated for the last battle! We managed to make it out alive after we used some spells with the wizard!
Nice. I hope you had a lot of fun and your son is looking forward to the next adventure with you.
Sweet
Fun seeing the game that introduced me into board games in action 😊
I always have a lot of fun with HeroQuest. I'm enjoying the new edition very much.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I sold my original a few years ago as I didn't feel the gameplay stood up--now I'm tempted to pick up the new one and give it another go. The app intrigues me.
Make sure you can download the app, though. Some territories and devices still don't have access!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring cheers, yeah, UK, so I'm good. That's even more reason to persuade myself lol.
Sorry for this time I pass, I would not like to spoil myself 😋
I hope you enjoyed it and as always thank you very much 😊👍
it's soothing to see this playthrough compared to games with children. Did you give up the treasure search in that final room?
I wonder what the "idea" for the miniature painting is.... looking forward to it. I just painted my dreadwarriors in a bit of a simplistic way (silver armor and weapon, red cloth, red eyes, a bit of brown for the wooden handle of the weapon)and am finding it difficult to finish the abomination-painting.
The final room doesn’t have any special treasure in it, you just draw a treasure card. It wouldn’t really have added anything to the playthrough to keep searching the treasure deck once Ulag was dead so I just wrapped up the session instead.
31:57 - As much as I prefer the UK wording of the Courage spell, I've read the arguments that making a continuous effect until there are no monsters in LoS may make it too powerful in comparison to other spells. With a Broadsword + Courage, that would produce the effect of multiple Genie spells.
Maybe the phrase about LoS was there to prevent pre-combat buffing.
But both versions of the spell clearly state you can only use it for one attack, which is all it needs to say. There's no need for a reference to LOS, because you get to use it once and that's the end, so it can't be like multiple genie spells. The US wording is a bit silly as it means there have to be monsters visible to the hero when you cast the spell on them. That means you can't even do something like cast the spell on the barbarian who is just around the corner of the corridor from an enemy, because the spell instantly fizzles out.
Nobody is going to use the courage spell before they know what the next encounter is going to be - you could end up wasting it on a lowly goblin - so you are really only going to cast it when you are about to charge known enemies, and I don't see a problem with that as it only works for a single attack.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoringIn the original version of HeroQuest (which as you know well, was released first in UK), as you displayed at 32:32, clearly states that the Courage spell can last several turns, as it states _"...each time he attacks, until the Spell is broken"._
So this is why some players consider that the UK version was the original spell and that the US version was the nerfed version... Or that it was poorly written.
I've also found people arguing that in the UK version, the Genie spell would damage _every monster_ in LoS. In both cases, this is how I think these spells should have been written. Since the casters have a single cast of each spell, they should be that awesome.
It's a bit more complicated than that, actually. The original 1989 UK edition of the card reads "This spell may be cast on any one player. That player may then throw two extra combat dice the next time he attacks. The spell is then discarded." When they released the revised second printing in the UK, it was changed to be a continuous effect until LOS was broken. In the American version the LOS clause was included, but so was the clause for it only working on one attack.
The genie to the best of my recollection has only ever said "any monster" with the singular "monster" making it clear it isn't a nuclear bomb going off and is supposed to target one enemy.
(By the way, sorry for the original confusion in my response. It was a long time ago I made this video, and had forgotten that I showed a revised card from the 1990 edition, so we were talking at slightly crossed purposes.)
The barbarian Was just like john wick, in this dungeon... Nice kill count!
Yeah he had a marvellous time.
Many thanks for this great playthrough. The american rules seem tempting. Are you sure, the wizard had line of sight with the Elf in the way ?
You can do diagonal attacks through doors, so the wizard was fine to cast a spell on Ulag. He couldn't have targeted the dread warrior though.
Exquisite game
HeroQuest is a treasure.
technically you cannot see all goblins. You have no line of sight to the guy at the other side of the table.
My monsters open doors and alert others. Goblins are perfect for it.
If 1 escapes to other rooms my monsters get double body points.
I don’t know what you are referring to regarding line of sight and goblins. Are you suggesting some of the goblins shouldn't have been placed? Because if that's what you mean, that isn't correct.
I really enjoy the pathfinder/paizo style artwork of Hasbroquest.
While I will always prefer the original artwork, I think they did a great job with the art on this edition. The backs of the spell cards seem a bit much considering how mundane the actual spells are, though.
Aaah! The pleasure of having a single board, unlike the new crawlers that requires assembling the dungeon...
Yeah, I think it is nice to have a board of finite size that still offers great variety of dungeon layouts. It means you know how much table space you need right from the start. I have a few other crawlers and crawler-adjacent games that have fixed or semi-fixed boards, but HeroQuest does it so well.
Thanks ABNB. The dwarf was just a bit underwhelming to play as. I had forgotten that
I never enjoyed playing him much as a kid. He's much more interesting in the North American version, especially in the levels where there are loads of traps.
I think if they increased his defence to make him more of a tank too, maybe. More traps and more complexity to the traps as in the North American version. I think you are right@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring
At least they have the new guardian knight to serve as a tank now. I always thought the dwarf should get some kind of treasure-hunting buff, or something.
Do unused treasures such as healing potions carry over into the next quests or should they be discarded? Love the let’s play video by the way, will you be doing anymore?
In Hasbro's edition, you keep them. Original UK rules, you return them. I wasn't really planning on doing any more HeroQuest playthroughs for the core game. I might do some for expansions like Frozen Horror.
The swatting of the doors shows the weakness of the system. I remember working on a similar very basic dungeon crawler which I found the same issue to address.
I spoke about it a bit in my last plathrough, how the game doesn't provide any incentive to keep pressing forwards in a timely manner. It's a tricky balance, because while some kind of motivation is good, too much can become a bit of a chore. For example, I really like Dungeon Saga, but the tough time limit on that game means it always feels more like a race than a dungeon plunge, and I like how HeroQuest gives you more time to breath, regather your team, and explore.
I had thought about adding a rule that, if there is ever a Zargon turn where there are no monsters on the board, then Zargon has an opportunity to gather his strength. You get one power token. Once you have accumulated three power tokens, you can draw the top treasure card. If it's treasure you discard it, if it's monster or trap you get to play it immediately and then return it to the deck. Just to represent Zargon's minions getting prepared, setting extra traps, and squirreling away all of the treasure.
How else would a party of experienced dungeon crawlers handle doorways and entering a room to clear it? They will always do it the optimal and least risky way unless a player decides to act like a typical player.
Arbitrary time limits are mostly crap in dungeon crawlers and can easily turn it into a race game where it's optimal to skip searching and looting, as in in Descent 2nd and Gloomhaven.
The way to time a dungeon crawler is to add resource management into the mix. Exploration takes actual time and requires the expenditure of torches, food, bandages, etc. The more time you spend searching and waiting, the more these expenditures stack up and necessitate a return to town to resupply. It was the exact way this was managed in D&D in 1974 and most boardgames forget all about it. There were also loads of extra gear and spells that were used for searching for traps, checking doors, wedging doors, and general exploration that had no real application in combat. That's were all the ten foot pole, always carry rope, and knock spell rpg memes come from. It's unfortunate that most boardgame dungeon crawler have the most bare bones exploration mechanics and that most boardgamers probably don't really want detailed exploration that slows a game down.
Ha, you're not wrong. If I ever take up adventuring, you can bet I'm waiting for the big lad with the sword to open every door first. I'm not a big fan of forcing the heroes to go too quickly. Doesn't Gloomhaven treasure blink out of existence if you don't get it in time? One notable exception is the D&D adventure games. I just think it works there, because those games are a bit more like puzzle and resource management games rather than traditional dungeon crawlers. They're supposed to feel chaotic and frenetic.
On a sort of related note, I think Advanced HeroQuest did a decent job of resource management elements within the confines of a board game, and also had some nice options for making the dungeons feel alive.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yeah, we have discussed that a few times about advanced HQ. I think the resource management is absolutely critical to making a dungeon crawler feel like an actual rpg. Spell memorization also becomes important with casters carefully selecting what they should memorize for the next section.
I have yet to actually pull the trigger on any of the D&D adventure games, though I did play Ravenloft and Wrath a decade ago. Something else always comes up.
@@johnmiddleton4291 I know what you mean. I have a few games on my list that always end up getting bumped because something else comes out that I want more. That Lord of the Rings starter for one!
if you prefer the new sculpts i would happily take to originals off your hands my dear sir❤🤣😂 they have to be my favorite minis along with space crusade..... oh baby ....
Not a chance. I think Hasbro did a great job but I much prefer the aesthetic of the original HeroQuest and I spent a long time restoring and painting my copy. There's less chance I would give away the miniatures than there is I would give away my copy of Space Crusade Eldar Attack.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring ♥️🤣😂🤣♥️🥃 love your work matey
The scenario really doesn't provide much for the dwarf to do. It's be nice if the app had a random generation facility to make up things on the fly. Thirty years later I still remember all these maps.
It wasn't the best choice of scenario to do the side-by-side, admittedly, but I wanted to pick a relatively short mission. It's funny, but HeroQuest does have a way of sticking the mind. When I played through this scenario with my old set on the channel the other day, I hadn't played it for 30 years, but I remembered the layout exactly, even down to the armoury and what was in it! Random generation would be fun. I'm looking forward to Frozen Horror, as that will be something completely new to me.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring The original Legend of Zelda is the same way. I can remember every shops inventory and every bush you can burn with a candle even today. Have trouble remembering if my mom's bday is the 7th or 11th of November thoguh. Go figure.
It's either the sign of a well-spent or a misspent youth!
Well considering the nurf that the wizard got when it comes to the spells and the line of sight... if we go word by word for the courage spell if Ulag moves one space out of the barbarians cross line of sight... will that dispel the spell? I know I'm messing with the words but I was just wondering if there's a little window for Zargon to get around the spell
I think the wording on the spell is a hash. There is no reason not to let the spell stay in effect until the character has made an attack. Spells are already quite weak.
I think the wording of the NA spell card for Courage is a bit clunkier, but I interpreted it the same way as the European version of the card. I would guess that it is worded that way because they want to make sure that the hero it is cast on does not get to make an immediate free attack. The hero has to wait until it is their turn again to attack and get the benefit of the spell. Although I can see why you would be inclined to interpret the wording such that it is a one-time effect, I think the “spell is broken by” information later on the card indicates that it is not. So unlike a healing spell, for example, that affects the target immediately by giving the spell’s benefit to the target hero when it is cast, but it is a one time thing, the effects of this spell are only provided to the hero when they act again, but they gain these benefits every turn as long as the hero can see a monster.
I have fond memories of playing the original version of the game of the barbarian (who usually ends up being the target of the Courage spell) running from room to room, opening doors, hoping to see monsters so as not to lose the effect of this spell.
I agree, I love the larger sized squares of the new board, but the furniture is now a little too small to fully block the squares it is supposed to, at least some of it like the table, torture rack, etc. the book cases seem okay, but everything else is a bit small. Minor quibble though, still very happy I bought the new version.
Yeah, I think it's supposed to be the same as the European version (which is as I played it in the video), it's just the European version has cleaner (but still not perfect) wording to clarify the intent. It may have been a bit of a templating error, because other cards like potion of strength say "next attack" as well.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Ah, that makes sense.
I think morcar casted 'awesome' on this video...
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I'll say it again. The American system is my favorible compared to the euro.
How did you download the companion app? It’s not available in Europe.
I’m in the UK. It’s available here.
does the furniture have a function? like can you search it? or just for looks?
It's often just for looks, but they block movement, changing the shape of the rooms, and sometimes they have special game effects tied to them based on the specific adventure you are playing.
I don't think it's that much of a nerf to the Wizard. Fire of Wrath doesn't need line of sight, as it hits anything on the board, so he basically just has Ball of Flame to worry about (assuming that the Elf takes Air for the best 'spread' of magic types).
Fire of Wrath requires line of sight. The wizard has to be able to see a target to cast a spell on it.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring It didn't in the original, it's wording was 'anywhere on the board'.
Double checking the new one, that wording was removed (though they have an image of a skeleton hiding behind cover and still being attacked by it as a nod I guess?)
@@GoldenSunAlex The original US Fire of Wrath didn't target anywhere on the board either. That was something that was on the European version of the card. Several US cards were nerfed like that as I recall - like the US genie could only attack things in line of sight, while the European version could attack anywhere on the board.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I remember that about the Genie - though tbh I always assumed that one was down to the Witch Lords ring - two Genies is good, two Genies that let you attack from anywhere is better.
I don't recall the courage card stating "the next time they attack" in the original American version either. I think it's just a screw up by Hasbro for this version.
I just checked and it does say it on the card uploaded on Ye Old Inn so it appears like it’s one of those things they just carried over as-is. It may be the case that the NA wording was changed at some point. It’s weird that it doesn’t use the European wording.
What's the best thing about new hero quest then? ;)
You're asking the wrong guy. You want that other fella who did a video about HeroQuest. But I'll tell you something, it ain't the abominations.
If I was going to answer seriously, I think I would probably say the board. It's lovely. And I do prefer the North American rules to the European rules, although of course, those rules aren't exclusive to the new HeroQuest.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring ha ha, yeah I know you aren't the Bard. I'm wondering if he's working up to reviewing the new edition. Its a hard act to follow as his previous video on hero quest is on 3 million views!
The board does look very nice, as you eluded to in your great comparison video. Keep the playthroughs coming dude! :)
I don't know. He didn't seem that interested in what Hasbro were doing in the one video he made on the subject. I guess he might do one just to stop everyone asking him to do one.
It's fitting that the USA version is better, since y'know we bailed you guys out in The Second WW World War WW2...lol
No eres tonto, eres lo siguiente...
After sitting it out until it affected the US, but yeah lol