Xenakis at his very best... so much COLD energy. The repeated notes turning the piano into a crazy glissando machine to connect with the orchestra... the demands on the pianist being so extreme... just a great work.
You should all know that the piano part is necessarily an "arrangement" of what Xeankis wrote. The actual piano part is deliberately unplayable by one human being. The sheet music that Ooi is reading from is his own "arrangement" written in his own hand. Some portions of the piano chart are written by Xenakis on ten staves -- one for each finger. No pianist wants to read that, believe me. That said, it is a heroic, amazing performance of music.
FYI, the score for this piece is totally bonkers! Especially for the piano solo. You can hear that he is trying to negotiate multiple repeated notes some of which are accelerating and others ritarding AT THE SAME TIME! The piano part itself is so complex that it sometimes splits into 10 (ten) staves, one for each finger! Performed by the redoubtable Hiroaki Ooï, piano. What a performance! Thanks!
To be honest, I don't understand why there is a debate. If people dislike this music, it's understandable, because it is difficult to comprehend. Those who enjoy it should not be phased by others slating it; this genre will continue and expand regardless of critical reception.
This piece sums up Xenakis's pure essence - the Mathematician, it's so beautiful...yet so cold. It's hard to explain in a language not my own, but I love and Hate it at the same time.
Heard this piece for 1st time in live performance with Geoffrey D Madge playing piano part and I HATED it. I'm well used to late 20th century music but it sounded like an assault on my eardrums. Being in 2nd row didn't help. Now I hear THIS performance and it's like listening to a different piece altogether. The orchestra are better balanced, the piano playing is completely accurate and very crisp. The whole piece makes sense now. Just shows never judge a piece on one performance!
Xenakis was indeed one of the greatest composers of the last century. With his use of geometry and maths he tried to push the limits and boundaries of music into new places. It's not a question of melodies and bases, he tried to do something else. Wonderful performance, I really love the part at about 7 minutes and a half.
mushman86, I agree... I don't know why, but I love this music... It's not a matter of understand, you have to know HOW TO LISTEN TO IT to apreciate this music... As others kind of music styles.
I've read about this piece for years, never being able to hear it. So great to be able to hear it as well as see it. Frankly I'm amazed to see so many folks in the audience. I figure it would only be me and thee, or a "walkout" - but this is Japan not the US. Maybe they have more knowledge over there? This is Xenakis at his height - the late 60's before neo-romanticism took over. Art of this nature was seen to be 'futuristic' but perhaps not loved- at least it was respected. Thanks.
If you dont try hard to understand what your hearing...then you will understand it. As long as you dont form thoughts and feelings about what the music is or what it should be, you will be able to feel its true nature
I love Xenakis' music. It has a very special meaning to me. His compositional techniques were so advanced, I would go as far as saying he was the most advanced composer of all time. Serialism is actually really primitive in comparison.
Xenakis Is The Real Visionary Of Our Era His Stochastic Music Is Realy Realy Shocking, For His Emotional Impact And All Aspects, The Future Of Music Is Here Iannis Xenakis Open The Way Into A New Vision Of Life And World Through Of The Stochastic Music
Xenakis was an architect, never picked up a musical instrument, he composed with mathematics based off of buildings. It's OK to misunderstand his music I think most of it is appreciation toward the performer for undertaking such a task as Xenakis.
I don't care about the "mockers". I think this music is beautiful (even though it prompts the image of a sinking ship in front of my inner eye). A class of is own.
i hate it when people say its nightmarish (even if they love it). Thats just because youre still thinking with the major and minor modal systems. When u try to project those it sounds like psychopath music, but one shouldnt. Its like trying to find the quality of major in a pentatonic. Its like, if trying it to imagine for a movie, dont imagine it as a horror movie, imagine this in your favorite nonhorror movie, and find other moods in it other than apocalypse, psycho, horror way.
The way its meant to "just be", as you put it, is beatifully reflective of a higher order of organization beyond intentional structuring by humans. (like observing a thunderstorm)
This is glorious music! I don't understand you people who don't find the emotional content in it. Surely you won't find birds tweeting or daisies growing in the pasture, but that doesn't mean there isn't emotional content. If you want to hear "pretty music," go listen to Tchaikovsky.
like, or dislike... intellectuals can't stand that that's all there is and whatever you feel justifies your opinion is absolutely true. YOU ARE ALL CORRECT!!! Can we all relax now?
I don't regard this as a technical or academic excercise, so there is no point in trying to analyse it. It just IS - period. It is one of the "ten thousand things" that make up manifestation on this planet. I find it definitely therapeutic. And this is the only form in which I appreciate piano music.
Not the best performance. The 3rd chair violist missed the e flat at measure 117. Ruined the whole piece for me. The tempo was too slow starting at 4:03
this is an incredibly technical piece. however as an amateur classical piece enthusiast i find this piece incredibly scary to hear. All i perceive is an image of a lawnmower blade with its blade right on your neck and this would be a perfect piece to play at that moment. These sounds not like random noises. but more like directed noises. but it is still noises. a very scary noises. i cant imagine the mental condition of Xenakis. Skilled, but twisted
n order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
The concert in the video shows a rather large attendance, actually. So obviously there IS an audience for this music. If you think the value of music is determined by size of an audience, then by calling it "crap" you are clearly contradicting yourself. Follow your own logic and you'll see how absurd your thinking really is. Again, if you think the musical relationships are inaudible, perhaps it is you who have the "undeveloped ear".
vvozzeck, you don't find amazing that 87 musicians are able to coordinate themselves and execute such an intricate and highly complex piece of music composed in such a relatively young and new style? Listen from 7:50 -...that's all through-composed! Imagine how long it takes these musicians to synchronize and create just the right dynamics and textures! As a "tool", I would say that this music is being applied to liberate and challenge the mind, and to push composition forward!
Wouldn't this be a great piece to play at your funeral? Pitifully I cannot be there, hence my lifestatus, but I can imagine the look on the attendees faces >:)
Hahaha. I agree with you that half the comments about classical music here on youtube are only so people will think the person who wrote them are high class or something. So thanks for saying what ive been wanting to for a while. As far as this music is concerned... i dont quite get it either, and im a conservatory student. But you might like spectral music, if only for curiosity's sake. it almost sounds electronic but its all acoustic instruments. partiels by grisey is an example...
Music has been considered a harmony for the last many millennias. A sacred tool that connects a human to something that is above him, his own source ... that heals and restores the inherent harmony inside. It is just last few decades when some unbalanced minds started creating lot of disturbances that will be forgotten very soon ... Bach himself once said: "music that does not glorify God and its greatness is just a noise from hell." He was fortunate to miss Xenakis and similar fellows
No, I mean thousands. Hopefully we do not limit the world only to Europe and its recent history. Take for example Indian classical music, Chinese music, music in Egypt, old Greece and many other cultures we even don´t know. What makes us think that "music" means just European music from the last 3-4 hundred years ? Yet, take for example Berg Violin Concerto - dodecaphony, yet full of soul, emotions, energy. Take Phil Glass, Arvo Part and many others ... their music goes deep and touches beauty
I'm Sorry For My "Amateur" English But I Speak "ESPAÑOL" Or "SPANISH" For The Yankies. Because I Live In CHILE (The Third World) !!!! Iannis Xenakis Is A Genius ¡¡¡¡¡
Is there any place I can find a biography on this pianist? I am amazed at what he is capable of doing. I can never imagine being able to play this piece. 5:08 to 6:00 reminds me of riding the swinging ship ride at an amusement park(e.g. the wind brushing against the hull).
Then don't listen to it and go away! Thousands of musicians worldwide, who are probably more significant and more talented than you'll ever be, see Xenakis' work the opposite way.
Dear Eurisko, It really wasn't her. This did not last long and the whole phase was very temporary. She had little truck with the movement somewhat less than four years later. Even they changed drastically for the better. But she defended the weak and the helpless in many ways in her life and was a great irritation to the bad guy on many occasions. At that one point, we were ALL open to abuse and weaker. God, as always, prevailed. He most certainly did in the long term. Many blessings Mark
@agendu Actually, I can say the same thing (Loving & Hating simultaneously) about several composers and specific works. Getting to know, really KNOW, a composition, particularly a complex or difficult one, requires, for me to have a score to study at least well enough to get a proper grasp on the work. While I am quite familiar with scores of all the Xenakis solo piano and a few other ensemble works, Synaphai isn't one of them, so whenever I hear it it is like hearing it almost for the 1st time.
For me, music is sounds my mind finds or makes meaningful. In this case, it does, I love the sounds Xenakis created. Serial or not? I dont care. I cant understand the mind of great composer, great music is only (to me) understandable to a certain point, then I cant go further. With Xenakis, I cant understand how he came up with this music, he is to advanced. But it facinates and scares me; in the same way watching (on TV documentries) black holes in space or stars dying.
In order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
I really don't like this piece... I'm sure it's incredible, but I feel like falling into an abyss or something. Either way, it's amazing to get to know this stuff, thanks for uploading it =) Vahnis
music has to be developed. honestly, this is not my favorite type of music idder, but we couldn't remain classic forever... the music of the second half of the XX century is kind of exaggerating. this is xenakis, and it's original. xenakis is to music the same way picasso is to painting. i'm just saying this because probably there are other modern composers you might like, for example, shostakovich, or stravinsky. this kind of music requires a very educated public...
Are the Kyoto Symphony Orchestra players always seated like this? I mean, double bass players in the middle and IN FRONT of violoncelli!? Or is it just this piece? Does anyone know?
"Music, even in situations of the greatest horror, should never be painful to the ear but should flatter and charm it, and thereby always remain music." Mozart said this, so it seems we have thrown it out the window, but why not mozart didnt know a thing
The pianist does not have anyone to turn pages of the score cause it is really hard to follow the score and only the pianist can do that comfortably... Wow...
@MarkGrindell wow, i could imagine religious mothers worrying about their kids listening to the rolling stones (or any other rock band) or madonna (or any other openly sexual pop artist), but i never thought there were mothers worried about their kids listening to beethoven...!
At least the flaming below this post hasn't yet descended into an ungodly race-war as so many do. Love this piece, everything is broken and re-expressed as Xenakis' theories and practicalities expressly wanted them to be.
I hate to jump into this, but...... Laurion69, I checked your profile hoping you to had some "real music" posted, but you don't have any videos! Interesting. Maybe if you had something to back you up people might take your comments more seriously.
thats only one way of looking at it different artists are trying different things. YOu cant judge this by what mozart was trying to do cause they have different goals. YOu have to open yourself up to different kinds of listening.
people, aesthetic is learned. no type of music is more or less intelligent than another, despite its complexity. it isn't good or bad in any universal sense either. when you get all upset because you don't like the music you only make yourself sound like a child arguing that a word cannot mean two things at once. go yell at the TV or something.
Yeah, I suppose. But Boulez said it himself, serialism can kill your ideas. I myself find it difficult to get anywhere with serialism. I am struggling with my own serial piece at the moment.
Yes, beauty may be considered partly subjective. But music as such is nothing abstract, it is a tangible energy with very complex effects on living beings. There were numerous scientific experiments conducted on animals and plants (the ones that cannot be suspected to be partial to any style/composer) when they were exposed to various types of music for some period. And the effects were quite surprising - from a clear "prosperity" to a life depression. So the music is also an "objective" energy
Be a little more gentle. I personally love this piece and find it to be very emotionally evoking and extremely powerful, but do not discount the fact that Mozart and Bach were great composers. Composers such as Bach paved the way for composers like Xenakis to follow, and without them, this would have never happened. Filipdinca, this is a very heady piece of music, and not to many people's tastes. Please respect that, but understand that this is nonetheless a very well-crafted piece musically.
I find it quite funny that you as a "composer" would be so naive as to categorize those who do appreciate this music as "inferior listeners". After all, does it take a sophisticated ear to perceive the relationships between larger architectonic structures and microscopic details? Have you considered the possibility that it is you who are lacking?
Rock at that time (age 17) was an enormous, tedious waste of time. I was principally interested in Mendelsohhn. Pink Floyd and Led Zepplin? I DID try, but I had to pretend for the most part. ...I don't think My Mum actually thought that really. She listened to these people an awful lot, and got upset by them; she had a great background in music and in fact introduced me to all of that. The "anti classical music" thing really was very real in the Shepherding movement (Fort Lauderdale) back then.
Please enlighten me about some "horrific gramatic mistakes" in my comment. (English is NOT my mother tongue by the way). And I do know something about music, be sure about it ... I create and record it my whole life, perform around the world. But this kind of cacophonic sound tortures is something that can be accepted and appreciated intelectually (if one forces himself), but deep inside it is not in tune with the human essence and nature and its natural harmony.And not only human
I tried and I tried to find an explanation for this song... I still can't find it! It's... I don't know the word, but certainly it's not of my liking =S I'd rather listen to Philip Glass, Beethoven or Liszt =P
![Iannis Xenakis: Keqrops (1986) [*MUST HEAR]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t7z-G03ScyU/mqdefault.jpg)
Xenakis at his very best... so much COLD energy. The repeated notes turning the piano into a crazy glissando machine to connect with the orchestra... the demands on the pianist being so extreme... just a great work.
You should all know that the piano part is necessarily an "arrangement" of what Xeankis wrote. The actual piano part is deliberately unplayable by one human being. The sheet music that Ooi is reading from is his own "arrangement" written in his own hand. Some portions of the piano chart are written by Xenakis on ten staves -- one for each finger. No pianist wants to read that, believe me. That said, it is a heroic, amazing performance of music.
FYI, the score for this piece is totally bonkers! Especially for the piano solo. You can hear that he is trying to negotiate multiple repeated notes some of which are accelerating and others ritarding AT THE SAME TIME! The piano part itself is so complex that it sometimes splits into 10 (ten) staves, one for each finger! Performed by the redoubtable Hiroaki Ooï, piano. What a performance! Thanks!
To be honest, I don't understand why there is a debate. If people dislike this music, it's understandable, because it is difficult to comprehend. Those who enjoy it should not be phased by others slating it; this genre will continue and expand regardless of critical reception.
This piece sums up Xenakis's pure essence - the Mathematician, it's so beautiful...yet so cold. It's hard to explain in a language not my own, but I love and Hate it at the same time.
same
This pianist is amazing. I can't imagine how long it'd take to learn this.
Just discovered this composer, Iannis Xenakis. With Zappa, Varese, and Stravinsky, makes me want to record all day and night, I love it!
Absolutely gorgeous in its own surreal way. I love this stuff!
Seriously this puts chills on my spine Jesus well done
Its only natural when you are young to idolize great men.
Dont forget that Xenakis is part of our music today not all of it.
Heard this piece for 1st time in live performance with Geoffrey D Madge playing piano part and I HATED it. I'm well used to late 20th century music but it sounded like an assault on my eardrums. Being in 2nd row didn't help.
Now I hear THIS performance and it's like listening to a different piece altogether. The orchestra are better balanced, the piano playing is completely accurate and very crisp. The whole piece makes sense now.
Just shows never judge a piece on one performance!
"the piano playing is completely accurate" how can you tell?! 😆😆😆
Quite easily
@@enriqueali If you slam a trash can lid on a brick wall twice the same noise won't be made but it sounds close enough.
excellent pianist and director
A monumental performance of one of Xenakis' masterpieces.
Xenakis was indeed one of the greatest composers of the last century.
With his use of geometry and maths he tried to push the limits and boundaries of music into new places. It's not a question of melodies and bases, he tried to do something else.
Wonderful performance, I really love the part at about 7 minutes and a half.
mushman86, I agree... I don't know why, but I love this music... It's not a matter of understand, you have to know HOW TO LISTEN TO IT to apreciate this music... As others kind of music styles.
I've read about this piece for years, never being able to hear it. So great to be able to hear it as well as see it. Frankly I'm amazed to see so many folks in the audience. I figure it would only be me and thee, or a "walkout" - but this is Japan not the US. Maybe they have more knowledge over there?
This is Xenakis at his height - the late 60's before neo-romanticism took over. Art of this nature was seen to be 'futuristic' but perhaps not loved- at least it was respected.
Thanks.
I can't even being to imagine how difficult this piece is.
If you dont try hard to understand what your hearing...then you will understand it. As long as you dont form thoughts and feelings about what the music is or what it should be, you will be able to feel its true nature
I love Xenakis' music. It has a very special meaning to me. His compositional techniques were so advanced, I would go as far as saying he was the most advanced composer of all time. Serialism is actually really primitive in comparison.
Xenakis Is The Real Visionary Of Our Era
His Stochastic Music Is Realy Realy Shocking,
For His Emotional Impact And All Aspects,
The Future Of Music Is Here
Iannis Xenakis Open The Way Into A New Vision Of Life And World Through Of The Stochastic Music
7:53 - 7:58 looks like that conductor is trippin out lol
jake chance lol
True
Xenakis was an architect, never picked up a musical instrument, he composed with mathematics based off of buildings. It's OK to misunderstand his music I think most of it is appreciation toward the performer for undertaking such a task as Xenakis.
masterpiece...
I don't care about the "mockers".
I think this music is beautiful (even though it prompts the image of a sinking ship in front of my inner eye). A class of is own.
Una pieza maravillosa! Xenakis el puto amo!!
i hate it when people say its nightmarish (even if they love it). Thats just because youre still thinking with the major and minor modal systems. When u try to project those it sounds like psychopath music, but one shouldnt. Its like trying to find the quality of major in a pentatonic. Its like, if trying it to imagine for a movie, dont imagine it as a horror movie, imagine this in your favorite nonhorror movie, and find other moods in it other than apocalypse, psycho, horror way.
I can’t help but imagine that we’re hearing Earths lifespan, sped up 100.000.000 😂
The way its meant to "just be", as you put it, is beatifully reflective of a higher order of organization beyond intentional structuring by humans. (like observing a thunderstorm)
This is glorious music! I don't understand you people who don't find the emotional content in it. Surely you won't find birds tweeting or daisies growing in the pasture, but that doesn't mean there isn't emotional content. If you want to hear "pretty music," go listen to Tchaikovsky.
i prefer erikthon, but still. its one of my favorite pieces by him. ooi does a fine job with this. thanks for uploading!
Wow, it's like death itself turned into music.
like, or dislike... intellectuals can't stand that that's all there is and whatever you feel justifies your opinion is absolutely true.
YOU ARE ALL CORRECT!!!
Can we all relax now?
the pianist is a beast!
I don't regard this as a technical or academic excercise, so there is no point in trying to analyse it. It just IS - period. It is one of the "ten thousand things" that make up manifestation on this planet. I find it definitely therapeutic. And this is the only form in which I appreciate piano music.
great performance
Not the best performance. The 3rd chair violist missed the e flat at measure 117.
Ruined the whole piece for me. The tempo was too slow starting at 4:03
and me also the pianist missed the e flat at 4,39
Good Ear! I didn't notice that before :-)
flyfishingpianist
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Hahah "...the e flat at measure 117." You have some problems.
Ruined it for me too, I live for that Eb
this is an incredibly technical piece. however as an amateur classical piece enthusiast i find this piece incredibly scary to hear. All i perceive is an image of a lawnmower blade with its blade right on your neck and this would be a perfect piece to play at that moment. These sounds not like random noises. but more like directed noises. but it is still noises. a very scary noises. i cant imagine the mental condition of Xenakis. Skilled, but twisted
anyone know where this video comes from? Is there more?
This is great music because it breaks, no SMASHES, the rules. All great music does that.
n order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
Well said.
genius
The concert in the video shows a rather large attendance, actually. So obviously there IS an audience for this music. If you think the value of music is determined by size of an audience, then by calling it "crap" you are clearly contradicting yourself. Follow your own logic and you'll see how absurd your thinking really is. Again, if you think the musical relationships are inaudible, perhaps it is you who have the "undeveloped ear".
fucking hell that pianist is amazing
I don't quite understand this music yet, but I get the feeling that there is something to it. What's the best method for comprehending Xenakis' music?
Imagine a lost thoughts (horrifying)
@KhagarBalugrak That's very funny. You been taking writing lessons from Ferneyhough?!
Pärt boring? Ok, his choral stuff can be dull but the Tabula Rasa pieces are among this world's most powerful and beautiful pieces.
vvozzeck, you don't find amazing that 87 musicians are able to coordinate themselves and execute such an intricate and highly complex piece of music composed in such a relatively young and new style? Listen from 7:50 -...that's all through-composed! Imagine how long it takes these musicians to synchronize and create just the right dynamics and textures! As a "tool", I would say that this music is being applied to liberate and challenge the mind, and to push composition forward!
Wouldn't this be a great piece to play at your funeral? Pitifully I cannot be there, hence my lifestatus, but I can imagine the look on the attendees faces >:)
You won't make it to my funeral? And we are such good friends 🙁
Hahaha. I agree with you that half the comments about classical music here on youtube are only so people will think the person who wrote them are high class or something. So thanks for saying what ive been wanting to for a while. As far as this music is concerned... i dont quite get it either, and im a conservatory student. But you might like spectral music, if only for curiosity's sake. it almost sounds electronic but its all acoustic instruments. partiels by grisey is an example...
Music has been considered a harmony for the last many millennias. A sacred tool that connects a human to something that is above him, his own source ... that heals and restores the inherent harmony inside. It is just last few decades when some unbalanced minds started creating lot of disturbances that will be forgotten very soon ... Bach himself once said: "music that does not glorify God and its greatness is just a noise from hell." He was fortunate to miss Xenakis and similar fellows
So when you whistle a melody while going to work without making it glorify God you're basicly creating hell Noise?
Pitiful, miserable, self-depricating and cardbox-scoped outlook
No, I mean thousands. Hopefully we do not limit the world only to Europe and its recent history. Take for example Indian classical music, Chinese music, music in Egypt, old Greece and many other cultures we even don´t know. What makes us think that "music" means just European music from the last 3-4 hundred years ? Yet, take for example Berg Violin Concerto - dodecaphony, yet full of soul, emotions, energy. Take Phil Glass, Arvo Part and many others ... their music goes deep and touches beauty
I'm Sorry For My "Amateur" English But I Speak "ESPAÑOL" Or "SPANISH" For The Yankies. Because
I Live In CHILE (The Third World)
!!!! Iannis Xenakis Is A Genius ¡¡¡¡¡
Is there any place I can find a biography on this pianist? I am amazed at what he is capable of doing. I can never imagine being able to play this piece.
5:08 to 6:00 reminds me of riding the swinging ship ride at an amusement park(e.g. the wind brushing against the hull).
The TH-camr "Classical Nerd" did a video about xenakis' life
Then don't listen to it and go away! Thousands of musicians worldwide, who are probably more significant and more talented than you'll ever be, see Xenakis' work the opposite way.
Thanks for uploading. Can you tell me who is the conductor by any chance?
This is not second hand, my friend. This is first hand ... I am not a music amateur ...
Dear Eurisko,
It really wasn't her. This did not last long and the whole phase was very temporary. She had little truck with the movement somewhat less than four years later. Even they changed drastically for the better. But she defended the weak and the helpless in many ways in her life and was a great irritation to the bad guy on many occasions. At that one point, we were ALL open to abuse and weaker. God, as always, prevailed. He most certainly did in the long term.
Many blessings
Mark
@agendu Actually, I can say the same thing (Loving & Hating simultaneously) about several composers and specific works. Getting to know, really KNOW, a composition, particularly a complex or difficult one, requires, for me to have a score to study at least well enough to get a proper grasp on the work. While I am quite familiar with scores of all the Xenakis solo piano and a few other ensemble works, Synaphai isn't one of them, so whenever I hear it it is like hearing it almost for the 1st time.
I've never seen dbl basses in the front row. Is this something that Xenakis specified in the score?
Yes, though most performances don’t adhere to this. I owe this information to Hiroaki Ooi who I met in Tokyo a few days ago.
For me, music is sounds my mind finds or makes meaningful. In this case, it does, I love the sounds Xenakis created. Serial or not? I dont care. I cant understand the mind of great composer, great music is only (to me) understandable to a certain point, then I cant go further. With Xenakis, I cant understand how he came up with this music, he is to advanced. But it facinates and scares me; in the same way watching (on TV documentries) black holes in space or stars dying.
In order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
I really don't like this piece... I'm sure it's incredible, but I feel like falling into an abyss or something.
Either way, it's amazing to get to know this stuff, thanks for uploading it =)
Vahnis
If you like experiment in music, just try TACUARA NOD, available on youtube
@xodn3300 and orchestra too
かっこよすぎる
music has to be developed. honestly, this is not my favorite type of music idder, but we couldn't remain classic forever... the music of the second half of the XX century is kind of exaggerating. this is xenakis, and it's original. xenakis is to music the same way picasso is to painting. i'm just saying this because probably there are other modern composers you might like, for example, shostakovich, or stravinsky. this kind of music requires a very educated public...
Are the Kyoto Symphony Orchestra players always seated like this? I mean, double bass players in the middle and IN FRONT of violoncelli!? Or is it just this piece? Does anyone know?
"Music, even in situations of the greatest horror, should never be painful to the ear but should flatter and charm it, and thereby always remain music."
Mozart said this, so it seems we have thrown it out the window, but why not mozart didnt know a thing
That quote says all about his personality, but objectively speaking that's extremely biased point of view to say the least
You're not alone. I'm very scared too.
there is no chaos in nature. it's all about fractal geometry and string theory.
you dont have to think its beautiful to find it good.
The pianist does not have anyone to turn pages of the score cause it is really hard to follow the score and only the pianist can do that comfortably... Wow...
Wow. 7:55 to 7:58 was VERY interesting.
pure structure
@MarkGrindell wow, i could imagine religious mothers worrying about their kids listening to the rolling stones (or any other rock band) or madonna (or any other openly sexual pop artist), but i never thought there were mothers worried about their kids listening to beethoven...!
this is sick
At least the flaming below this post hasn't yet descended into an ungodly race-war as so many do.
Love this piece, everything is broken and re-expressed as Xenakis' theories and practicalities expressly wanted them to be.
HAHAHAHA! Could you imagine a building without maths! What a calamity. Nicely put.
I hate to jump into this, but......
Laurion69, I checked your profile hoping you to had some "real music" posted, but you don't have any videos! Interesting. Maybe if you had something to back you up people might take your comments more seriously.
actually it is
thats only one way of looking at it different artists are trying different things. YOu cant judge this by what mozart was trying to do cause they have different goals. YOu have to open yourself up to different kinds of listening.
people, aesthetic is learned. no type of music is more or less intelligent than another, despite its complexity. it isn't good or bad in any universal sense either. when you get all upset because you don't like the music you only make yourself sound like a child arguing that a word cannot mean two things at once. go yell at the TV or something.
Yeah, I suppose. But Boulez said it himself, serialism can kill your ideas. I myself find it difficult to get anywhere with serialism. I am struggling with my own serial piece at the moment.
very strange but interesting
This is so random. The composer must have been near to delirium when he wrote this.
Yes, beauty may be considered partly subjective. But music as such is nothing abstract, it is a tangible energy with very complex effects on living beings. There were numerous scientific experiments conducted on animals and plants (the ones that cannot be suspected to be partial to any style/composer) when they were exposed to various types of music for some period. And the effects were quite surprising - from a clear "prosperity" to a life depression. So the music is also an "objective" energy
This is a music for talented people, actually Iannis Xenakis said. This is too difficult. Player's fingers will be injured.
People that follow the tradition, especifically the european tradition like little João Sebastião in your picture. It's just taste
Be a little more gentle. I personally love this piece and find it to be very emotionally evoking and extremely powerful, but do not discount the fact that Mozart and Bach were great composers. Composers such as Bach paved the way for composers like Xenakis to follow, and without them, this would have never happened. Filipdinca, this is a very heady piece of music, and not to many people's tastes. Please respect that, but understand that this is nonetheless a very well-crafted piece musically.
Wow how can you say this music is a mistake - its beautiful
this is scary as fuck. i love it. this is what horrific pain sounds like
nice work reminds me of king crimson or aphex twin.
I find it quite funny that you as a "composer" would be so naive as to categorize those who do appreciate this music as "inferior listeners". After all, does it take a sophisticated ear to perceive the relationships between larger architectonic structures and microscopic details? Have you considered the possibility that it is you who are lacking?
@laurion69: and who says what is music and what not? YOU??
Rock at that time (age 17) was an enormous, tedious waste of time. I was principally interested in Mendelsohhn. Pink Floyd and Led Zepplin? I DID try, but I had to pretend for the most part.
...I don't think My Mum actually thought that really. She listened to these people an awful lot, and got upset by them; she had a great background in music and in fact introduced me to all of that. The "anti classical music" thing really was very real in the Shepherding movement (Fort Lauderdale) back then.
Please enlighten me about some "horrific gramatic mistakes" in my comment. (English is NOT my mother tongue by the way). And I do know something about music, be sure about it ... I create and record it my whole life, perform around the world. But this kind of cacophonic sound tortures is something that can be accepted and appreciated intelectually (if one forces himself), but deep inside it is not in tune with the human essence and nature and its natural harmony.And not only human
I tried and I tried to find an explanation for this song... I still can't find it!
It's... I don't know the word, but certainly it's not of my liking =S
I'd rather listen to Philip Glass, Beethoven or Liszt =P
faNTástico!
i think the what was ment was horowitz who was definitly great and one of the bests, also messed up
Beethoven and Chopin, in the shadow? Do you live in a cave?