How is this channel not growing much faster. For me, its one of the best sports pods out there. Yes I know they are specific to the Bills but other pods could learn from the family vibe we have here. Just my opinion.
Shakir was the passing offense at Boise State. He was the man, I would say the number one receiver his senior season, didn't phase him then. He has proven himself against NFL defenses. So I think you are dead wrong on this one. Shakir isn't going to back down from any challenge if anything he'll embrace it. Plus I feel he has the skills to excel.
IMO people are under estimating Shakir go back and watch his highlights from the 2nd half of last season the guy is electric with the ball in his hands and I think his speed with the ball in his hands is definitely overlooked ! Go Bills !
If Von has a 5-sack game against a bad opponent, but only has 3-4 across the rest of the season, you wouldn’t call that a success. There’s no number. Sacks are only one metric. Does he consistently disrupt opposing QBs? That’s how I’ll measure his rebound.
I dunno. Maybe I'm the dumb one, but I have a different definition of #1 receiver than just "here's where he lines up". I mean, if that's the case, every team literally, by definition, has a #1 receiver. My definition of a #1 receiver is a receiver who the defense knows is going to get the ball, where the covering corner constantly gets safety help, but still finishes the game with the most catches. If I can go into the way-back machine, it would be like when we had Moulds & Price in Bledsoe's first year in Buffalo. Both with 94+ catches and 1250+ yards. Some might say, "that's 2 #1 receivers" based on their production. But when Price went to Atlanta, where he was the #1 guy, he dropped to 800 yards & 60 catches. When Moulds was the defense's focus, he could still catch 100 balls. Price could only do that as the #2, when the defense are focusing on the other guy. That's why Diggs was a #1. Even when the defense knows he's getting the ball he still gets 100 catches and 1100 yard year after year.
Clip that: “I want AJ coming off the bench, I don’t think he’s a starter” … I think all the stars are aligning for him. Before the rib injury he was showing dominance making splash plays all over the field.
I'm not "worried" about wr at all. I know it's going to be completely different and maybe it will be not the best season for receiver yards but I dint think it will be a prob for knox, kincade, cook and even davis to make up the difference. And I think shakir, samuel and coleman all have potential to hit 1000yds and I would not even be shocked if 2 of them do it, not like 1200 each but just over 1k each would not shock me. Basically the "worry" about the wr room is that we don't know what guy will get 150 targets oh no so scary.
Dan that WR take was wild. MVS is not even a roster lock, let alone major target. After Kincaid targets will go Samuel, Shakir, Coleman, *Claypool*, Cook, Knox, Miscellaneous
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I wasn't screaming it, Mike, but I was definitely thinking it emphatically. Shakir and Kincaid were both league leaders in catch % last year, but somehow they always get forgotten when we talk about who's going to be our #1. What are you guys going to do when 2024 season ends and Shakir and Kincaid are #1 and #2 on the team in targets & receptions?
The classical definition of a #1 receiver is the one most targeted. And based on what we have on the roster, it’s a TBD. The training camp evaluations will start defining who that will be - if anyone. I think we’re going to see a “spread it around” approach.
Shakiers ceiling is Cole Beasley role at 110 targets with 40 first downs. I think he will be the only one constant from week to week and Kincaid Ofcourse. But WR1 on a per week basis will be based off opponents weaknesses. Atleast what I think/hope for.
I'm hoping that the entire WR room ups their game, and I expect K. Coleman and C. Claypool establish themselves as mainstays of the passing game... #GoBills
The loss of Diggs will actually be beneficial to Josh Allen and the overall offense. Diggs was a distraction and frustration for Josh. When Josh was throwing to Diggs it was usually into double coverage. Josh will have more freedom to be Josh Allen and improvisation when Josh is most dangerous to other teams. In addition Josh will have a major chip on his shoulder this year. Josh will make it very very clear that does not need Diggs.
Rapp was the best safety on the Bills last season by passer rating against, and Douglas was the best outside corner, and Taron is the best nickel in the league. All of those guys are still on the team. I think the secondary concerns are way overblown. I am way more concerned about the offense than I am the defense.
I agree with about Von Miller. Between 8-10 for what he's getting paid. Liked Mike's idea too about saving him for specialty plays so he's not exhausted
Aj, is gonna get more time, but def not going to start..yet! But this dline, has been a massive problem since day one! This Dline has not been able to consistently get after the qb since day one. If not for the back end overachieving, this defense would be in big trouble!
Yeah I don't see MVS as anywhere near WR1 I think he's closer to a cut candidate than WR1 as for Samuel I feel he has a much greater route tree and can be a much more consistent play maker on all three levels of the field with a much greater ability to produce YAC as well.
Agreed. I don't think you can get much wronger than identifying MVS as the No. 1. I think MVS makes the team due to his size and speed, but he'll be on the backend of the WR roster: Samuel, Shakir, Coleman, Claypool, MVS, and Hollins. I think they'll be able to stash either Hamler or Isabella, maybe both, on the PS. Any of those top 6 go on the PS, they get poached.
Listening to the discussion, especially around WRs, this season is going to be massively influenced by the quality of coaching, scheming and play calling by McDermott and group. How well can they get the best from the new group of players. I'd like to hear what the 3 of you think about the coaching staff
I believe the reason these WR’s are here are because they are interchangeable. Which means they will be aligned as mismatches on any given day. They will be shuffled, so that the D does not know where the ball is going.
The National Media has it very wrong about the Bills! This will be the best Bills team since 1991! Josh will spread the ball around and make average receivers look great. The Bills Defense will also be excellent! We need to remember that Hydd and Poyer were not great until McDermott was their coach. He will do it again. Finally, Von will be back to Varsity Von! Bills Go 12-5 and win the AFC and lose to San Fran in the SB.
If Nike can sign Hollins to a deal with ads that their sneakers got him to wear shoes of the field, that's money! How have they not already thought of this?
Shakir becomes WR1 and make 120 catches for 1400 yds. Coleman 85 caches 900 yds 17 TD's, rookie of the year. Kincaid breaks TE records for catches and TD's. It's not the number of sacks for Miller, it's when and against who he has them. If he has 2 or 3 that end games against Miami, KC, and/or in the playoffs that's a successful season. Miller gets comeback player of the year...yes, high, definitely high.
Mike edwards is not a shoo in starter. You know who the last saftey that came to buffalo that was a back up spot starter special team guy was? He wore number 23 as a hint.
1 Samuel is a budget Diggs replacement, 2 MVS is budget Davis replacement and 3 Shakira is a better Beasley. Look at their career catch percentage and avg reception yards. Coleman is the x factor and unless Claypool is playing so well that he forces his way onto the field I'm not sure they will get him playing time.
I’m more concerned about Safety. One comment mentioned spreading the ball around so Defenses don’t know who we’re going to might benefit us. I’m not as worried about WR. Safety, Pass Rush, Kicking. In that order.
With the caveat that I did not like Shakir had a sleeve on his leg during OTAs. Shakir will be the primary wide receiver target on normal plays (expect 12 personnel most of the time) with Curtis Samuel being his primary sub. Hollis will be the second receiver on the field if he shows any ability to be a modest target. His primary role will be to block for the run and Samuel on those stupid flair passes the Bills will try a lot but will be lousy at again this year. MVS will play when the Bills go to 3 wide receivers.
I think we need to temper expectations with Milano.... Very rarely do you see people come back from big injuries and play at 100%. They usually take the whole season before they're back you look at Vaughn you look at Trey... And I'm sure there's countless others
If u watch MVS catches and drops, it looks like he tries to catch with only his fingertips. It looks like he's about to drop every single catch. Very odd, and I'm worried about him dropping passes. On the other hand, Shakir and Kincaid are pretty much automatic, and Keon and Samuels are solid, too.
I think Von is done. His age and recent injuries are adding up. It will be a make or break year for Rousseau. Safeties will be an interesting situation to follow. I’m hopeful Bishop steps up quickly.
I don't think there will be a clear number one I think it will be a combination of WRs bills will spread the ball around and line guys up number 1 or number 2 so on according to match ups that's my feeling
Sounds like Dan and Mike are having PTSD from gabe davis expectations. Two totally different guys and play styles. I dont see shakir disapearing for 3 weeks in a row multiple times during the season. We leaned on him to close the season last year and are going to lean on him again. Hes not Justin Jefferson but on our team hes gonna be #1
How is this channel not growing much faster. For me, its one of the best sports pods out there. Yes I know they are specific to the Bills but other pods could learn from the family vibe we have here. Just my opinion.
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Nobody outside of buffalo watching this shit? Is that hard to believe?
@@GeraldMcClinton Not sure what your point is. You framed a statement as a question.
Shakir was the passing offense at Boise State. He was the man, I would say the number one receiver his senior season, didn't phase him then. He has proven himself against NFL defenses. So I think you are dead wrong on this one. Shakir isn't going to back down from any challenge if anything he'll embrace it. Plus I feel he has the skills to excel.
You are oh so right!!! Shakir has all the skills and smarts to be that #1 receiver🏈🏈🏈🏈 GEAUX BILLS
Agreed, shakir has been working with another #1 all off-season as well. He's got the mentality for it!
Welcome back, gang. You’ve been missed! Let’s do this!
IMO people are under estimating Shakir go back and watch his highlights from the 2nd half of last season the guy is electric with the ball in his hands and I think his speed with the ball in his hands is definitely overlooked ! Go Bills !
If Von has a 5-sack game against a bad opponent, but only has 3-4 across the rest of the season, you wouldn’t call that a success. There’s no number. Sacks are only one metric. Does he consistently disrupt opposing QBs? That’s how I’ll measure his rebound.
You right
Yep..wanna see Von in the back field this year..2023 he stayed in the defensive side of the ball..Go Bills!!
I was about to say dan is right but read this and this is way more accurate
could have 0 sacks all season, if he puts mahomes on his back in a playoff game even once he did his job
I love Jenna's laugh! So infectious!😊
@@darrylbaron8975 and she’s not even high! 😅
I'm very concerned about Tyler Bass, even though I've always liked him. Getting those field goals can make the difference in winning the game.
"yea I'm very comfortable" in my quarter zip with the complete straight face got me laughing good.
you three are my favorite bills content creators. keep up the great work
same
The glaring story as always is the defense. The defense has failed in the critical moments preventing us from getting to the next level.
I didn’t know defense converts third downs. I didn’t know defense kicks field goals.
I dunno. Maybe I'm the dumb one, but I have a different definition of #1 receiver than just "here's where he lines up". I mean, if that's the case, every team literally, by definition, has a #1 receiver.
My definition of a #1 receiver is a receiver who the defense knows is going to get the ball, where the covering corner constantly gets safety help, but still finishes the game with the most catches.
If I can go into the way-back machine, it would be like when we had Moulds & Price in Bledsoe's first year in Buffalo. Both with 94+ catches and 1250+ yards. Some might say, "that's 2 #1 receivers" based on their production. But when Price went to Atlanta, where he was the #1 guy, he dropped to 800 yards & 60 catches. When Moulds was the defense's focus, he could still catch 100 balls. Price could only do that as the #2, when the defense are focusing on the other guy. That's why Diggs was a #1. Even when the defense knows he's getting the ball he still gets 100 catches and 1100 yard year after year.
Von needs 11 sacks. Love the show. Let's go!
By the way...I listen to a lot of pod casts...but this is my very first comment. I'm a almost 76 yr. pond female.😊
Definitely clipping that “there are people out there that are smarter than me” from Dan for later use 🤣🤣😜
Clip that: “I want AJ coming off the bench, I don’t think he’s a starter” … I think all the stars are aligning for him. Before the rib injury he was showing dominance making splash plays all over the field.
"Don't point at me" 😂😂😂
Ya never know..Von could find the fountain of youth like high end players often do!
I friggin love this podcast. #GoBills
Thanks Jenna for bringing the whole show down w/Von Miller expectations...lmao
2nd yr guy gets all the targets..thats crazy but I agree!
I'm not "worried" about wr at all. I know it's going to be completely different and maybe it will be not the best season for receiver yards but I dint think it will be a prob for knox, kincade, cook and even davis to make up the difference. And I think shakir, samuel and coleman all have potential to hit 1000yds and I would not even be shocked if 2 of them do it, not like 1200 each but just over 1k each would not shock me.
Basically the "worry" about the wr room is that we don't know what guy will get 150 targets oh no so scary.
Look at all the praise for you guys! For the record, I was onboard early on!
Land shark is AWESOME!!! My current favorite beer💯💯💯
spread the ball around and watch defenses scramble!
Pass catcher of the day!!! Woohoo!!!
I love Buffalo Plus season!😊
Dan that WR take was wild. MVS is not even a roster lock, let alone major target. After Kincaid targets will go Samuel, Shakir, Coleman, *Claypool*, Cook, Knox, Miscellaneous
Great pod guys!
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Good Kickoff! You guys are all fired up for camp!
Buffalo Fan from Germany. My hottake: Khalil and Dalton will have together 2000 yards❤
Your shows are always good--this one was great!
Yep. I can’t wait to see Carter. He plays with a ton of power.
I wasn't screaming it, Mike, but I was definitely thinking it emphatically. Shakir and Kincaid were both league leaders in catch % last year, but somehow they always get forgotten when we talk about who's going to be our #1.
What are you guys going to do when 2024 season ends and Shakir and Kincaid are #1 and #2 on the team in targets & receptions?
The classical definition of a #1 receiver is the one most targeted. And based on what we have on the roster, it’s a TBD. The training camp evaluations will start defining who that will be - if anyone. I think we’re going to see a “spread it around” approach.
Jenna is right about von , I think 5 or 6 sacks would be a successful comeback .
What was the cartoon character that went "Yeah, Yeah boss, yeah yeah"? I think of that listening to Dan with Mike.
Shakiers ceiling is Cole Beasley role at 110 targets with 40 first downs. I think he will be the only one constant from week to week and Kincaid Ofcourse. But WR1 on a per week basis will be based off opponents weaknesses. Atleast what I think/hope for.
Going to camp Sunday! Hope to see you there!😊
Last two seasons in xfl only three total kickoff returns for TD.
I'm hoping that the entire WR room ups their game, and I expect K. Coleman and C. Claypool establish themselves as mainstays of the passing game...
#GoBills
Love you guys! (Love Tuesdays...)
I love the past analogy 😊
The loss of Diggs will actually be beneficial to Josh Allen and the overall offense. Diggs was a distraction and frustration for Josh. When Josh was throwing to Diggs it was usually into double coverage. Josh will have more freedom to be Josh Allen and improvisation when Josh is most dangerous to other teams. In addition Josh will have a major chip on his shoulder this year. Josh will make it very very clear that does not need Diggs.
Are you guys going to do a live broadcast? Loved the last one!😊
At DE Von and Epenesa are going to be close to a 50/50 split while Groot plays 70%, Solomon will garner some situational opportunities
Im all in on the McBeane team!!!
Dan, I agree with you about Kalil
Jenna interruption index (JII): 17 😊
Shakir is a nice player with upside. But I agree with Dan and Mike that some people’s expectations have gotten too high too fast.
Beane didn't add a pass rusher!?!? They drafted the guy with the most sacks in the draft, didn't they?
Hard since he’s D2 not D1 football player
You 3 are the best.
I like Bishop, im good with Douglas, Rapp, and Benford. Wanna see what we have with Edwards.
Great show as always
I c Coleman going for 400 to 500 yards in his rookie season!
Rapp was the best safety on the Bills last season by passer rating against, and Douglas was the best outside corner, and Taron is the best nickel in the league. All of those guys are still on the team. I think the secondary concerns are way overblown. I am way more concerned about the offense than I am the defense.
Our pass rush is a concern also!
I agree with about Von Miller. Between 8-10 for what he's getting paid. Liked Mike's idea too about saving him for specialty plays so he's not exhausted
Watching this I am wondering who has the bigger guns: Dan or Mike. I think Dan has an unfair advantage with the tight tee shirt. Mike is underrated.
Diggs was that guy last year cause defenses knew the diva was going to get the ball. They knew josh was going to force the rock to him
I think Chase Claypool is going to show up. The last time he was good was when he had Big Ben as his QB, the last good QB he had before Josh.
They should rotate the LB's like they do the DL. At least til Milano is at full strength.
Level of concern on pass rush is definitely an 8 or worse!! No rush against mahomes or burrow
Dont wish on injuries but i hope we pick up hyde half way through and he wins a Superbowl.
Hot Take times 2!!!! Claypool makes the team and has a role.
DE group has 30 plus sacks!
You heard it here first
Aj, is gonna get more time, but def not going to start..yet! But this dline, has been a massive problem since day one! This Dline has not been able to consistently get after the qb since day one. If not for the back end overachieving, this defense would be in big trouble!
Yeah I don't see MVS as anywhere near WR1 I think he's closer to a cut candidate than WR1 as for Samuel I feel he has a much greater route tree and can be a much more consistent play maker on all three levels of the field with a much greater ability to produce YAC as well.
Agreed. I don't think you can get much wronger than identifying MVS as the No. 1. I think MVS makes the team due to his size and speed, but he'll be on the backend of the WR roster: Samuel, Shakir, Coleman, Claypool, MVS, and Hollins. I think they'll be able to stash either Hamler or Isabella, maybe both, on the PS. Any of those top 6 go on the PS, they get poached.
Listening to the discussion, especially around WRs, this season is going to be massively influenced by the quality of coaching, scheming and play calling by McDermott and group. How well can they get the best from the new group of players. I'd like to hear what the 3 of you think about the coaching staff
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I believe the reason these WR’s are here are because they are interchangeable. Which means they will be aligned as mismatches on any given day. They will be shuffled, so that the D does not know where the ball is going.
I agree with Dan on Von
3rd and 6 is already there. Kincaid and shakir
Good show
The National Media has it very wrong about the Bills! This will be the best Bills team since 1991! Josh will spread the ball around and make average receivers look great. The Bills Defense will also be excellent! We need to remember that Hydd and Poyer were not great until McDermott was their coach. He will do it again. Finally, Von will be back to Varsity Von! Bills Go 12-5 and win the AFC and lose to San Fran in the SB.
If Nike can sign Hollins to a deal with ads that their sneakers got him to wear shoes of the field, that's money! How have they not already thought of this?
Shouldn’t Nike just put Hollin’s name on an empty box and sell that for $15.00. 😅
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Vonn is in a prove it year!
Shakir becomes WR1 and make 120 catches for 1400 yds. Coleman 85 caches 900 yds 17 TD's, rookie of the year. Kincaid breaks TE records for catches and TD's. It's not the number of sacks for Miller, it's when and against who he has them. If he has 2 or 3 that end games against Miami, KC, and/or in the playoffs that's a successful season. Miller gets comeback player of the year...yes, high, definitely high.
Josh Allen is gonna be the NFL MVP this year, you can book it
Mike edwards is not a shoo in starter. You know who the last saftey that came to buffalo that was a back up spot starter special team guy was? He wore number 23 as a hint.
I'm tempering expectations. This is the beginning of a rebuild. It's gonna look rough at times.
No way in hell do i wanna see B.B. as our head coach. No f'n way.
Gable Steveson is going to be a factor
7-10 sack season from Von would be helpful.
1 Samuel is a budget Diggs replacement, 2 MVS is budget Davis replacement and 3 Shakira is a better Beasley. Look at their career catch percentage and avg reception yards. Coleman is the x factor and unless Claypool is playing so well that he forces his way onto the field I'm not sure they will get him playing time.
I see Kincaid as the Beasley replacement. Swole Beasley? And isn’t Keon the Davis replacement?
I’m more concerned about Safety. One comment mentioned spreading the ball around so Defenses don’t know who we’re going to might benefit us. I’m not as worried about WR. Safety, Pass Rush, Kicking. In that order.
Dan is full of horrible takes today. Damar Hamlin is not a Starter. MVS is 100% not going to be the #1 receiver.
DAN IS WRONG!
I think the Bills should run more 4-3 with Milano, Bernard and D Wills
Dan should always wear tshirts!
I am expecting Von to have an impactful season as well... 10 minimum!
With the caveat that I did not like Shakir had a sleeve on his leg during OTAs. Shakir will be the primary wide receiver target on normal plays (expect 12 personnel most of the time) with Curtis Samuel being his primary sub. Hollis will be the second receiver on the field if he shows any ability to be a modest target. His primary role will be to block for the run and Samuel on those stupid flair passes the Bills will try a lot but will be lousy at again this year. MVS will play when the Bills go to 3 wide receivers.
I can't miss this opportunity to again say the Bills should never run a screen play.
I think we need to temper expectations with Milano.... Very rarely do you see people come back from big injuries and play at 100%. They usually take the whole season before they're back you look at Vaughn you look at Trey... And I'm sure there's countless others
Von had 8 the season he was injured. I expect 8 or more in a full season.
If u watch MVS catches and drops, it looks like he tries to catch with only his fingertips. It looks like he's about to drop every single catch. Very odd, and I'm worried about him dropping passes. On the other hand, Shakir and Kincaid are pretty much automatic, and Keon and Samuels are solid, too.
I think lost bet payouts should be done on the show! Gotta keep everyone honest….
I think Von is done. His age and recent injuries are adding up. It will be a make or break year for Rousseau.
Safeties will be an interesting situation to follow. I’m hopeful Bishop steps up quickly.
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I don't think there will be a clear number one I think it will be a combination of WRs bills will spread the ball around and line guys up number 1 or number 2 so on according to match ups that's my feeling
Sounds like Dan and Mike are having PTSD from gabe davis expectations. Two totally different guys and play styles. I dont see shakir disapearing for 3 weeks in a row multiple times during the season. We leaned on him to close the season last year and are going to lean on him again. Hes not Justin Jefferson but on our team hes gonna be #1