Another thing to remember for Shadow in the Warp: you can pop it in your command phase OR your opponent's command phase. It can be swingy and random, but when it works it can absolutely wreck your opponent's strategy for a turn, especially if they were planning to use their command points actively instead of reactively.
If you use it in you opponents command phase, does that prevent them from scoring with the newly battle-shocked units? In other words, if they score VP at the "Beginning of their command phase" and you use it to neutralize the OC of several objective holding units, do they score the points first or take the Battleshock test first? (Since Battle shock tests usually occur before scoring) Also, if you use it, and an enemy unit is already battleshocked, do they still have to take a test? if they pass it do they remove that original battle shock?
@@madlarkin8 You score at the end of commandphase after the regular battle-shock tests. So yes shadown in the warp absolutly wrecks primary scoring for you opponent as well unless he has some sticky objectives.
Another thing I also do with my lone ops is what I call the”Lictor Lock”. Essentially I deploy them safe but close to my opponent and charge it into my opponent biggest units. If my opponent has a deathstar unit, I can trade my 55pt lictor for a 70+pt character, 1cp and 1/2 turns from an expensive squad. If they have a knight or baneblade equivalent, I can lock them up for a turn, then either die or fall back for the gun line.
I find an early shadows, turn 1 or turn 2, most effective. The more units on the table the better chance some will fail. I have never won a game because something was battle shocked. But the Neurolictor debuff early can help when they are strongest.
Nice! Yeah, I’ve never shadows turn one, but I could see how it could be useful. I mostly use it for possible primary denial. I’ve actually won a couple of games off the back of some strong shadows! Maybe I’m just lucky. Thanks for watching!
Cheers! This has given me some interesting things to think about. I've had 6 games in the last 6 days, and I definitely screw up my deployment and game plan, I sorta wing it..(pun intended I run flying hive tyrant). Having the spare base to help plan where I'm going is a very good idea as I keep move blocking myself and/or see better lines later. I think this has convinced me I need a biovore or 2 now to try and help screen my stuff :) On a side note...my best shadows ever, was against necrons, failed all battleshocks holding 4 objectives on linchpin... It's the closest I've gotten to beating my mate in the last 10 years of 40k (his high level tournie player) and I lost by 16 haha.
Thanks for all the kind words! Pun included haha glad to hear you’re enjoying the tactics videos and they’re of good use to you! I never leave home without the biovore! I really do love me a good shadows, nice work! Lots more content to come!
I actually just had a game over the weekend where i got my best Shadows off too, also against Necrons. It was a 2v2, 1k per player, and shadows completely blanked all but one necron unit that round, basically freeing me to focus on the orks on the other table half. We ended after turn 3, won that game like 27-2 (playing Pariah Nexus with no home objective scoring, to encourage fighting for the center)
I actually learnt a few things, thank you. The proxy base and genestealer/lictor tips is so good. Do you recommend a brood lord to support the genestealers in this situation?
Hey! Thank you for watching, and glad you learned something. I highly recommend the broodlord with genestealers. The dev wounds are really what make the unit punch. Thanks again for watching, a lot more to come!
I like placing my lictors so on turn 1 i can either move them onto obj and do actions or if they get hit/assulted by my opponent my haruspex or hivetyrant are close enough to intervene. Really use the lictors as bate.
Learn how to use heroic intervention too, its one of the tyranids strongest plays cause you can actually get a unit in combat that wouldnt have been able to do so
Yeah… it can be really matchup dependent. Against armies like Orks or Necrons or even Tau it can do pretty well, but all marines is rough. That’s why I don’t count on it, but am really happy when it does well!
Thanks for the info, I just got my hive tyrant assembled and slowly adding units around him for that assault lethal death ball. I’ve only seen shadow in the warp deny one primary. So not been great, but it did put the game away when I was holding my 3 primary, and opponent only had one. Does anyone use mass termagants? I have 70 of them from a couple starter boxes and trying to figure out how to use them. I’m still learning move blocking and screening.
Swarm is definitely a viable archetype with the bugs! I have a lot more tactics videos on the channel and more to come if you are new to Tyranids! Congrats on the new hive tyrant, it’s a phenomenal unit. Thanks again for watching!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I’ve watched the invasion fleet tactics and the tyranid tier list. Both were great. I think you mention about building a list around termagants. Not sure if you played on in your Wednesday night game. Seems like a big block in hive fleet could just keep respawning 2xD3+3. Seems like better choices for competition, but a Leviathan box plus a starter box gets new players a ton of them.
@@Dunkan-3 I wanted to build the Tyranofex with magnets to swap between Tervigon, but I barely had enough hobby skill to even put the Tyranofex together. So I’ll need to buy another model. Maybe I’ll try TTS to figure out how it plays. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this info! However I got a couple questions. I was a part of a tournament for my warhammer club, and I got bodied by a sister player. When I asked for advice, they said I should move up my exocrine and other tanky bugs because they're super tanky. However, I've also heard they're meant to sit down and hold firing lanes, I'm just not sure. The second question is, how do I better keep my lictor alive? I've had him die to havocs in 6 inches (Who were then slaughtered by OoE and a carnifex) and also a group of marines coming in range to shoot em. With the SM there was a ballistus dreadnaught on the expansion objective so I couldn't put any big bugs there, though maybe I should have gone for the other one? Not too sure.
I’m not sure I would move up my exocrines into sisters right now either. The meltas can absolutely delete them since they have no invuln Also it sounds like your lictor did its job! Making your opponent commit a unit so that your carnifexes can come in and kill that unit is perfect!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I had another quick question! What would you if you're in a position where you don't have secondaries that could use a sporemine, nothing you need to block charges for, and you can't screen anything? I had a game today where I shot a few spore mines that kinda just sat in some areas and didn't really do anything. Maybe my opponents just doesn't advance much, idk
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I see! So besides it's mainly utility function, I should send it to finish off stuff at a range! Just stuff with the toughness as a basic marine tho, right? Or should I shoot it into bog horde units?
I thought the change to lone operative was 18 inches across the board, was it solely restricted to stratagems that give a 'lone operative' effect? If so, that is indeed wild. I inconsequentially nerfed my own elimators with phobos librarian in a recent game if that's the case hahaha
Yes, the lone op change was just to stratagems that give the ability. The datasheet rule is unchanged. Congrats on your buffed eliminators now I guess! Haha Thanks for watching!
They can score secondaries that just checks if units are somewhere such as engage on all fronts and behind enemy lines. They aren’t able to do any secondaries that require OC. Such as actions, holding objectives etc. I still think they’re pretty useful!
I have yet to play 10th edition but ive been a tyranid player since 3rd edition...i really wish they kept the horde aspect of the tyranids viable. Its literally what they were designed to do. I miss the days of being able to put a field of nids down and just move my massive swarm across the board and just keep bringing more out with my tervigons. Tyranids are not designed to do small model count battles.
Hey! I think you’ll find that there’s still some pretty good swarm builds in invasion fleet. The 5+ fnp and unending swarm stratagem actually really help the swarm identity. I haven’t tried them too much, but tervigons are still pretty sweet. I encourage you to give it a go. 10th is a lot of fun and I still think swarm is possible!
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Thank you so much for the kind words! Lots of Tyranid tactics on the channel, and much more to come!
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Another thing to remember for Shadow in the Warp: you can pop it in your command phase OR your opponent's command phase. It can be swingy and random, but when it works it can absolutely wreck your opponent's strategy for a turn, especially if they were planning to use their command points actively instead of reactively.
Yep, I almost always only shadows in my opponents turn.
Thanks for watching!
If you use it in you opponents command phase, does that prevent them from scoring with the newly battle-shocked units? In other words, if they score VP at the "Beginning of their command phase" and you use it to neutralize the OC of several objective holding units, do they score the points first or take the Battleshock test first? (Since Battle shock tests usually occur before scoring) Also, if you use it, and an enemy unit is already battleshocked, do they still have to take a test? if they pass it do they remove that original battle shock?
@@madlarkin8 You score at the end of commandphase after the regular battle-shock tests. So yes shadown in the warp absolutly wrecks primary scoring for you opponent as well unless he has some sticky objectives.
Another thing I also do with my lone ops is what I call the”Lictor Lock”. Essentially I deploy them safe but close to my opponent and charge it into my opponent biggest units.
If my opponent has a deathstar unit, I can trade my 55pt lictor for a 70+pt character, 1cp and 1/2 turns from an expensive squad.
If they have a knight or baneblade equivalent, I can lock them up for a turn, then either die or fall back for the gun line.
Yep, that’s perfect. It really is such a good unit. Good tips, thanks for watching!
Ive never played a game yet, still painting and I'm in love...now there's a biovore on the way😅
Amazing love to hear that! Welcome to the hobby, and thanks for watching!
Love your Tyranid content! Thanks as always.
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I’m getting into the game with my beloved giant space lizard bugs and you have no idea how helpful this was.
Recently stumbled on this game/hobby and quickly find myself loving the tyranids. I appreciate the insight in this video!!
Thank you for the kind words! A lot more to come!
Thanks Jordan! I wouldn´t mind more of these videos.
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I was out of the game for a few months this video really helped me feel like I got my Grove back
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These tips are so good. Thank you for these videos, they are amazing!
Thank you for the kind words! Much more to come.
I find an early shadows, turn 1 or turn 2, most effective. The more units on the table the better chance some will fail. I have never won a game because something was battle shocked. But the Neurolictor debuff early can help when they are strongest.
Nice! Yeah, I’ve never shadows turn one, but I could see how it could be useful. I mostly use it for possible primary denial.
I’ve actually won a couple of games off the back of some strong shadows!
Maybe I’m just lucky. Thanks for watching!
Cheers! This has given me some interesting things to think about.
I've had 6 games in the last 6 days, and I definitely screw up my deployment and game plan, I sorta wing it..(pun intended I run flying hive tyrant).
Having the spare base to help plan where I'm going is a very good idea as I keep move blocking myself and/or see better lines later.
I think this has convinced me I need a biovore or 2 now to try and help screen my stuff :)
On a side note...my best shadows ever, was against necrons, failed all battleshocks holding 4 objectives on linchpin...
It's the closest I've gotten to beating my mate in the last 10 years of 40k (his high level tournie player) and I lost by 16 haha.
Thanks for all the kind words! Pun included haha glad to hear you’re enjoying the tactics videos and they’re of good use to you!
I never leave home without the biovore!
I really do love me a good shadows, nice work!
Lots more content to come!
I actually just had a game over the weekend where i got my best Shadows off too, also against Necrons. It was a 2v2, 1k per player, and shadows completely blanked all but one necron unit that round, basically freeing me to focus on the orks on the other table half.
We ended after turn 3, won that game like 27-2 (playing Pariah Nexus with no home objective scoring, to encourage fighting for the center)
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer currently building my biovoire and watching more videos ;)
I actually learnt a few things, thank you. The proxy base and genestealer/lictor tips is so good. Do you recommend a brood lord to support the genestealers in this situation?
Hey! Thank you for watching, and glad you learned something.
I highly recommend the broodlord with genestealers. The dev wounds are really what make the unit punch.
Thanks again for watching, a lot more to come!
I like placing my lictors so on turn 1 i can either move them onto obj and do actions or if they get hit/assulted by my opponent my haruspex or hivetyrant are close enough to intervene. Really use the lictors as bate.
Exactly! That’s how I love to use them as well.
Very good, thanks!!!
Thank you for watching! Lots more to come!
Great ONE!
Thank you!
What is the music choices in the background? I’m really vibing with the edm one.
My wife and I wrote them!
Learn how to use heroic intervention too, its one of the tyranids strongest plays cause you can actually get a unit in combat that wouldnt have been able to do so
Yep! I’ve heroic’d into a lot of stuff with my hive tyrant and just taken out a bunch of stuff.
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer thats the funnest part of my games! Lol
Shadow in the warp is very meh in my circle of friends because they are literally all marines of different types
Yeah… it can be really matchup dependent. Against armies like Orks or Necrons or even Tau it can do pretty well, but all marines is rough. That’s why I don’t count on it, but am really happy when it does well!
Thanks for the info, I just got my hive tyrant assembled and slowly adding units around him for that assault lethal death ball. I’ve only seen shadow in the warp deny one primary. So not been great, but it did put the game away when I was holding my 3 primary, and opponent only had one. Does anyone use mass termagants? I have 70 of them from a couple starter boxes and trying to figure out how to use them. I’m still learning move blocking and screening.
Swarm is definitely a viable archetype with the bugs! I have a lot more tactics videos on the channel and more to come if you are new to Tyranids! Congrats on the new hive tyrant, it’s a phenomenal unit.
Thanks again for watching!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I’ve watched the invasion fleet tactics and the tyranid tier list. Both were great. I think you mention about building a list around termagants. Not sure if you played on in your Wednesday night game. Seems like a big block in hive fleet could just keep respawning 2xD3+3. Seems like better choices for competition, but a Leviathan box plus a starter box gets new players a ton of them.
@@Naddabeht agreed! My buddy Kyle has had really good success with an invasion swarm list. Definitely has legs in the competitive scene!
@@Naddabeht Add tervigon, it IS funny
@@Dunkan-3 I wanted to build the Tyranofex with magnets to swap between Tervigon, but I barely had enough hobby skill to even put the Tyranofex together. So I’ll need to buy another model. Maybe I’ll try TTS to figure out how it plays. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this info!
However I got a couple questions. I was a part of a tournament for my warhammer club, and I got bodied by a sister player. When I asked for advice, they said I should move up my exocrine and other tanky bugs because they're super tanky. However, I've also heard they're meant to sit down and hold firing lanes, I'm just not sure.
The second question is, how do I better keep my lictor alive? I've had him die to havocs in 6 inches (Who were then slaughtered by OoE and a carnifex) and also a group of marines coming in range to shoot em. With the SM there was a ballistus dreadnaught on the expansion objective so I couldn't put any big bugs there, though maybe I should have gone for the other one? Not too sure.
I’m not sure I would move up my exocrines into sisters right now either. The meltas can absolutely delete them since they have no invuln
Also it sounds like your lictor did its job! Making your opponent commit a unit so that your carnifexes can come in and kill that unit is perfect!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I had another quick question! What would you if you're in a position where you don't have secondaries that could use a sporemine, nothing you need to block charges for, and you can't screen anything? I had a game today where I shot a few spore mines that kinda just sat in some areas and didn't really do anything. Maybe my opponents just doesn't advance much, idk
@@crustymanman7170 I would shoot my biovore at something that’s close to being dead haha I’ve actually killed a lot of units with the biovore.
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I see! So besides it's mainly utility function, I should send it to finish off stuff at a range! Just stuff with the toughness as a basic marine tho, right? Or should I shoot it into bog horde units?
First step learn to print an army lol. But seriously play what is fun
Haha nice! Thanks for watching
The best advice I can give is to score more points than your enemy
Game breaking!!
I thought the change to lone operative was 18 inches across the board, was it solely restricted to stratagems that give a 'lone operative' effect? If so, that is indeed wild. I inconsequentially nerfed my own elimators with phobos librarian in a recent game if that's the case hahaha
Yes, the lone op change was just to stratagems that give the ability. The datasheet rule is unchanged.
Congrats on your buffed eliminators now I guess! Haha
Thanks for watching!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I'm an absolute dumbass haha but that's good to know considering I have all of the new lictors XD
@@Varsidian nah no worries man all of the rules changes happen so quickly. Lictors are the bomb right now though!
I thought Spore Mines can’t do secondaries any more? 🤔
They can score secondaries that just checks if units are somewhere such as engage on all fronts and behind enemy lines. They aren’t able to do any secondaries that require OC. Such as actions, holding objectives etc.
I still think they’re pretty useful!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer oh thx!! Great point!
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They have done that to people on occasion :(
I thought secondaries are held secret until scored!
Nope, they should be drawn publicly to both players! Maybe you’re thinking of secret missions? Or battle tactics in Spearhead?
Thanks 👌
2 biovore is a good idea ?
Unfortunately, since only one biovore unit can spawn a spore mine at a time, I would probably just stick to one.
Thanks for watching though!
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer I just had the opportunity to play against a GK. I threw a lot of mines to limit movement and avoid deep strikes.
@@Dunkan-3sounds like a strong plan! I honestly feel like Tyranids are pretty well placed against Grey Knights
@@WednesdayNightWarhammer Without deep strick sur :D
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so only running two Norns and two tyrants probably ISNT a good idea? XD
I mean sounds like a good time to me 😂😂😂 thanks for watching!
3 norns 1 tyrant
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Good one!
I have yet to play 10th edition but ive been a tyranid player since 3rd edition...i really wish they kept the horde aspect of the tyranids viable. Its literally what they were designed to do. I miss the days of being able to put a field of nids down and just move my massive swarm across the board and just keep bringing more out with my tervigons. Tyranids are not designed to do small model count battles.
Hey!
I think you’ll find that there’s still some pretty good swarm builds in invasion fleet. The 5+ fnp and unending swarm stratagem actually really help the swarm identity. I haven’t tried them too much, but tervigons are still pretty sweet.
I encourage you to give it a go. 10th is a lot of fun and I still think swarm is possible!