I guess you've never heard of Data Analysis. University Data Analysis programs are just all bullshit, and people who graduate are all scammers. This is seriously why Flat Earther exists lol, just because you don't understand something, therefore it cannot be true.
You can see he focusing and being silent watching it, being surprised when he got to the FAQs section stating that the chart most CC's are revering as Holy Gospel is all made up all along.
@@nightshrine4257 I’ve been following that subreddit for literal months. There were so many “Genshin vs WuWa” posts for so long that the mods literally has to step in and temporarily stop them
I think Girls Frontline is a great example of why a gacha doesn't need to make millions in order to stay relevant. It's known as the "Cockroach" of gacha games for that reason
@giangtrinhtruong7952 yea, I love the minigame before the battles start (moving around the map), but man, the micromanagement can be a lot in this game
What do you reckon the dev cost is for that compared to games like WuWa/Genshin though. Normal open world games take even triple A studios years and years to make, and they've gotta do these continual updates every few months. There's a huge difference in overhead if you go open world.
The thing is it's nearly impossible for wuthering waves to earn more money than hoyo games. If let's say the same amount of player spend money to max every new char with their weapon and let's say in both cases they lose every 50/50 or 75/25 or whatever and go hard pity wuwa will see less money since unlike genshin it has a hard pity of 80 instead of 90 and you can't even lose a 50/50 on the weapon banner on wuwa so wuwa would realistically speaking never earn more money than hoyo games since we'll the gacha system in wuwa is kinder to players
That's the point. Think about it. Wuwa isn't trying to get JUST whales to spend but average gamers in general. they are shooting for more gamers to spend for a cheaper product. Example: 10 people spend at hundred dollars for characters vs 200 people spends only 20 dollars for characters. They're playing the long game. By making it more affordable and EARNING players trust people will spend out of loyalty.
@@BlazeSwigglePlayzMcOh yeah forgot about that part haven't played since shore keeper release date got her and haven't played since. But yeah it's far easier to max the limited chars and their respective weapons so wuwa earning more than genshin is neatly impossible it would need a hype banner while genshin is in a dead patch with let's say boring reruns like probably lyney and maybe eula no front against those two but the hype for them wouldn't be big
I've been telling people this info on reddit for a few months now. Glad to see it's finally actually being discussed in the larger community. To note, the reason that the android numbers are set at 1.75X IOS is because China has a 75% Android to IOS market, but end of the day, this doesn't mean that both sets of users are spending the same amount. Android users while 75% of the phone market, could spend half, or even DOUBLE IOS and we simply will never know...
I like your take on this because this can also be said when people say they need to include PC revenue for Genshin/Wuwa or whatever game.. Or even player counts across different platforms. Just gotta take it with a big grain of salt.
Can't make a good arguement on why they like ganshin LIKE BRO CHARACTERS, FANTASTICAL WORLD, HARD EXPLORATION AND YOU CHOOSE THE MOST RTDD WAY OF DEFENDING THE GAME
@@Creeperific Nah no worries. You have a good day. We’re just frustrated those people can’t make a better arguement than revenue. If you truly love the game, wouldn’t you know the things you truly love within it?
On the other hand, the marketing for this game has been absolutely terrible. And they cut costs significantly, barely any content. Also, i would like to see the increasing quality when 1.4 trailer was by far the most mediocre one since 1.0, and jiyan trailer still has the most production value.
companies dont operate like this, like at all. The trailers and animations are made months beforehand, their revenue has nothing to do with it. Even if wuwa tanked from day 1 they would have made the improvements and all the characters you are seeing right now. Its a long term investment, not a parlay for the weekend. For instance, Blue Protcol was doing awfully from day 1 and devs still introduced a new class and were working on a new region alongside many QOL improvements
@@kiuhh1118😅kuro marketing is bad?.Well well ,what do u expect they fed up for PGR ,but they significantly improved for WW ,maybe u aren't active on their marketing 😂😅
like there is no way xiangli yao a free character made more money than shorekeeper one of the most liked unit rn and a must pull since no much healers in the game
its probably because shorekeepers first 3 days were last month (biggest revenue, ~60/70% of a banner whole revenue), and we also got jiyan that was charting about the same as xiangliyao but yeah. she easily made over 15m$ from a banner
@@_an1s_ That's why 5 million is reasonable for wuwa people who actually like the character will pull for copies or the weapon and in yao's case his weapon was actually good
🤣 imagine being sympathetic to the CEO of a multi billion dollar game company because he cried when people are talking bad about his game for the lack of improvement in 4 years in which the CEO/devs are aware of. hahaha
It's totally easy to come to the conclusion that Wuwa earns less then Genshin simply playing the game and knowing how easier it is to get characters and weapons in wuwa without spending money on the game
People are going to be saying ZZZ has failed/fallen off forever, for the simple reason that it's best platform is PC and PS5. The game just simply isn't that good on mobile and you need to buy a controller attachment to even play it well. And what two platforms aren't included on the sensor tower report? Yep. Strap-in ZZZ fans. Everyone's going to be saying yanagi killed the game.
Welcome to the hell the decent/good wuwa players deal with, when they say it though people use to say "that's just an excuse" they both better on pc, and zzz has ps5 already and soon wuwa will but people will always say this stuff sadly. Also I play zzz as well.
@depressoexpresso8469 I can assure you. I skipped on playing wuwa because it wasn't available on the PS5. And I don't want my phone to explode. I enjoy the drama from these reports. But that's because I like watching Tec and Pokke farm the drama. But yeah, I'm looking forward to WuWa's inevitable release on console. It looks like it has so much more than Genshin
I am playing ZZZ just fine on mobile while clearing all content, including S ranking Shiyu Defence as an F2P.. literally a skill issue if you can't play it normally on mobile... also, the TVs are definitely better played on mobile XD
kinda nice to see some comments from HSR, ZZZ and WuWa players backing up each other from this scamtower revenue, even atleast once on this channel. lol
its a copium for those who gambles on gacha games for thousands of dollar imagine you spent $50,000 on gacha games and sees its only earning a few million a month you'll be scared af that people doesnt play your game much anymore you cant flex your $50,000 waifu to f2p players
The biggest problem I see in these is that it uses rvenue as an independent variable, when in statistics it is a dependent variable. This list ignores all external factors such as time of year (think middle of June vs end of September), patch reception, new character releases (or lack there of), and even the fact that the values change relative to each other. That last one especially, because if someone plays multiple of the games on the list, they will spend more or less depending on how much they are willing to at once. Thus shoes the problem of measuring success with money, of which needs measuring to begin with. And I am aware of the point that it is easy to talk about/digest, but that should not be the first thought with statistics. Get accurate data, then make it easily digestible.
The reaction of WuWa players to Sensory tower revenue chart went from "Wait for Changli/Jinshi" TO "this is just mobile revenue" TO "Many players play WuWa on PC" TO "This sensory tower numbers are made up and fake.". 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bro most of y'll believe this sh*t for too long even before WuWa release.
Don't act innocent there, every one in the Gacha community use this chart as gospel. Genshin knight still praising it's the best Gacha because it make the most money. you are all irrecuperable idiots if you believe in any of those numbers. Let's get those facts straight.
guys is just so easy lets take wuwa for example after 1.1 there was a notice that get online that kuro was expanded their studio to 150 people more studios that involve animation sound everything that means more hire of people you think a game that is not doing good a company that is not doing good will do that? even kuro said that they did not know that wuwa will be this successfull
🎉 W to the devs of wuwa, zzz, hsr man. they at least are all good devs + learn from constructive criticism i dont play wuwa but seeing the way these 3 game devs entirely care about community 🎉 meanwhile genshin giving people PTSD of trust 🥶
The playerbase is sinking, the views are falling, new players are not coming, no one is cosplaying the characters of this game. We can all cope and blame everything on gacha revenue but the reality is the Kuro is failing to keep the community engaged. The fact that they did not do livestream for one of the most hyped up character shows how little they care about their marketing.
Tried saying this last video this ridiculous notion that WuWa was dying was silly. Certain patches and certain characters will always fluctuate. ZZZ had 3 back to back to back really good S rank units peoples pockets are literally drained. People are trying to save and strategize who they should spend their money on. It’s a difference between having downtime in gacha and then a gacha actually quite literally doing bad.
And how would it be dying even if the data given by censor tower were right? 5million in REVENUE would still mean that they not only sre covering for their expesnes but also having extra money after that
We don’t know what happened to ZZZ’s revenue following the Burnice trailer. The whole point of this video was to establish that the data provided by Gacharevenue is worthless.
Aint no way he talks about agenda when he has been making content about this website monthly to people that didnt know that the site wasnt accurate because even tectone didnt know about it. I wonder if he is going to still use it next month without saying to the people that wont watch this video that the site is innacurate.
I actually think these people can't understand how huge the number " $10M+ " is like dude they earning more money to develop so less like they keeping atleast more than half of that shit lol. Wu kong was made with 70 million dollars and thats 2 months of wuwa revenue and 1 month of hoyo games like trust me you don't need 20-30M+ dollars to run these games lol.
If the statistics are based on purely mobile players, then I can tell you for sure there aren't many spending money on WuWa through mobile. This is simply due to the not so amazing optimization for the mobile engine. Believe me, I TRIED. I still play it on my computer. However, doing dailies on my phone is an experience I would not wish on my worst enemy. 💀
it work fine with me, PC and Phone, i think you're all playing under the system requirements, that typically how people have issue for PC games too. Not the answer people want but the only actual brutal truth Get better Phone and PC. Wuwa is way more demanding than most gacha games. I have two mobile but a Poco X6 Pro do the job and my PC is Ryzen 3600 with RTX 2060. Zero problem.
@@theolailheugue9402 I truly enjoy the game because of its world building( apparently brainless fans for got about that ). I like having to explore each region thats based on an element. What would be the nation of hydro? What will be in the nation of puro? Lore is one thing but practicallity in the world building is what I like and hope wuwa puts more bucks in
@@XxxitsmehXx Blud says he enjoys exploration in genshit, the exploration is garbage and is way inferior to the one in wuwa. I finishes exploring everything in a few days, what are you gonna do after you finish exploring? xD The only thing you liked about the game is temporary, after that what?
Tbh, wouldn’t be surprised if zzz and wuwa had their actual revenues hidden. Those two games have really good devs and have the flashiest combat in the space. And just gonna keep it objective, HSR, zzz, and wuwa, all shit on genshin as a game in like all aspects. Til this day, I don’t see how genshin still makes money. I quit maybe 5 months into the game’s life cycle, and none of the issues I had with the game got fixed even after several years. Not only do the models look the worst out of the other 3 games, but the combat is deadass worse too. Both visually and feel-wise. Not to mention the dev team is probably the worst in the space. Like why do yall support a dev team who does jack shit. The game’s story ain’t even all that 💀. It’s mid at best, and with all of it being unskippable, it just makes it a drag to even read. Not that I really care how well a game does financially, but come on y’all. Let’s not keep dumping hella money toward devs who don’t care about u at all lmfao. Saying “it’s fine” is about the worst thing you can do to a game’s state.
Genshin is just earning this much thanks to it gathering a large fanbase during the pandemic for being the first of its kind. It's kinda similar to like being a cult. That or they're just too deep into the gameo quit at this point
So, I never saw the Sensor Tower chart as a "real" chart for the numbers but I do take it as a "trend analysis", and I find it accurate with it if you pair it with cites like Google trends or the interaction on Social Media. Here are some of my opinions: 1. While GI shows a normal trend like the majority of other games which is true since the game currently in a "stable" period with a revenue showing around a 40-50 mil mark and fluctuations. WuWa revenue since release has always been reduced. 2. Why the month with Xiangli Yao has higher revenue than the month when Shorekeeper mostly in ? Simple, at the end of September, the Shorekeeper banner appeared in the last 3 days, so with a normal gacha player consumer, this is the time when they will spend the most. (EDITED: After the first post, SensorTower did update the WuWa September revenue, from 6mil to around 11mil, I think that is the estimation of the Shorekeeper banner) 3. About the character and wp banner, while yes WuWa does offer a more friendly gacha system it really not much of a difference: 10 pity lower (so like 20 dollars) and according to cite that estimate pull (still implementing the trend arguement) the number of pulls on weapon are really low compare to character banners. 4. While you can argue that this doesn't include PC, GI and ZZZ are on PC too, and on PS5 they are always at least in the top 5 in all region (and this was calaulated by the PS Store). In conclusion, I think we shouldn't see the chart as a prove for its numbers but rather the trend, for last 5 months the trend of WuWa has always been downward, so it means there are problems with the game.
Blud forgot the market for wuwa is mostly pc since i can guarantee you the vast majority of people cant run it on a phone, i have a pretty decent phone myself and i feel like ts gonna explode if i keep playing on it. Luckily my laptop runs it perfectly fine
This is why some of the GI community is labelled as stupid shills lol. Just because revenue is down, doesn't mean there are problems with the game lil bro. Actual wishful thinking.
@@shkpotter9844 nope the game has problems and maybe you don't find it I will label it down here for you (noted I played the game myself and also a lot of these comes from WuWa groups): 1. The game is terrible on mobile, it's like it doesn't supposed to be here. 2. The event are lacklusted, same with GI 3. The story feels like a dating simulator or a harem anime, when you have a MC getting simped by almost every characters. 4. The game already had a bad reputation in CN, WuWa players were given the name "Hoyoson" because a lot of the thing in WuWa has a lot of similarities with GI, players even point out in the first TOS, they left the word Hoyo in it (you can believe this if you like) The fact you are saying that like the game has no problems, showing that you guys are no different from hoyoshills, always ignore that the game can have problems that need to fix, if it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it not a problem because there are people and players address them.
@@spiiralwya I already stated that and I already said that is not a way to deflect the trend on mobile. 1. That doesn't mean GI and ZZZ aren't available on PC 2. If saying like you then why the hell they release a mobile version in the first place ? Another weird thing is that if they did release it, then why not trying to fix some problems on mobile ? Again, I'm not indicating that WuWa is a bad game, I just said it has problem, same like GI, it's not a bad game, but there are problems.
@@zerozgaming5770 more like its impossible to run ue4 fine on most phones on the market, and also its downright stupid to not release a gacha game on mobile devices
Remember the good old days before Wuthering Waves existed? Gacha revenue reports were always fun and nobody complained. But now, we have Wuther Bitches all up in arms all because a nobody content creator spew some bullshit they don't understand. Sensor Tower is fake? Does he even know Sensor Tower is a reputable company employed by a hundred other international corporations, warner brothers, disney, amazon, goldman sachs, morgan stanley, etc.. Defamation is a serious offense.
@@XxxitsmehXx It's defamation when your elementary level of education does not fully grasp the meaning of data analysis, then proceed to slander a reputable international company used by and relied on by other major players in various fields. I think it speaks volumes if Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley use Sensor Tower for its trend analysis. Go back to your brothers in the flat earth society.
@@nekochen As someone who was been in the gachagaming subreddit since 2020 is so funny seeing this videos, taking seriously a chart that someone started for fun just to see how much money the gacha games that he played were making. AND LMAO WHICH REPUTABLE COMPANY? You bark more than you bite thinking Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley actually cares about the data much more the chart. Also the comment on unreliable data got deleted. Must've been youtube stopping you from being dumb (ragebait)
Just few months ago, we happily agreed and celebrated our favorite games' revenue with the help of that Sensor Tower, we didn't think twice if it was fake or not. Until Wuthering Waves got released and people started digging information about its authenticity. Yeah, compentition will really expose the worst of us sometimes.
I also refuse to believe NIKKE isn't doing better than it is on the chart. Look at the events it has held, merchandising (in Japan from what I can see), quality of minigames they release, along with the amount of gifts they give players during the anniversary events. Not to mention they actually give you 20+ easy free ticket pulls every event. That stuff doesn't come cheap.
Thanks for covering this topic. It baffles me how many blindly follow numbers without looking into sources. Also, Saintontas is a great creator and should get more spotlight! Underrated CC
notice how some of the people here didn't call out sensor tower for being "misleading" when wuwa was high on the chart surpassing genshin for a brief while but instead using the chart for bragging they were saying its over for genshin the bias is showing here
CAP!!! Genshin has always had high revenue and saying it was over for genshin was a meme within the genshin community itself. ( okbuddytraveler ) Obviously there is bias but reopening critical thinking is what I feel will be achived with this video
Because for new game, it's normal to have high revenue, people like to spend on new game, enjoy it then quit if not suit (for whale) While people notice bias on data when Wuwa get good Character but gain less that Free character patch lmao First release data seems legit, but later people notice bias on data and it's debunked because who put data on sensor tower busted putting fake data there Especially when chart went off for couple months lol Simply Sensor Tower is Hoyoshills who play Hoyo games and know when game have high hype and average income from that while when Wuwa comes, they're not hiring Wuwa player so data bias very high due to no clue what happens on Wuwa lol, imagine Hoyo pay a lot on Ads game especially this revenue chart that becoming thing when Gacha game from Hoyo rose up, I won't surprise
Video: These numbers are fake Tectone: True! also Tectone: makes tons of videos reacting to the revenue reports every month Tectone: well you see I know it's not real, but I pretend to make people angry... yea ok buddy lol
a video coming from a person using AI to talk and is a kurobots, sure it's believable. the only thing i agree with is that these numbers are not 100% accurate and only companies have the real numbers
@@thegamehelperz2746 Can’t make a counter arguement cause its kinda true 🤣🤣🤣 the guy uses a news reporter way of talking which I must less prefer compared to the video having funny bits to lighten up the information being taken
to be fair its not only wuwa that has bad data, ios is only 24% of chinas phones, so they multiply it by 175% it should proberly be better to do 300% since it would proberly be closer to the real numbers, which means all of these games are doing way better than we think and a few months ago when star rail was making 100m it was probably way more
the first time I heard this is mobile only I always wondered how people take this even serious. Some games are just more mobile friendly than other. No wonder honkai star rail dominated these charts for a while games likes wuwa suffer due to their higher base of pc players
As someone who was been in the gachagaming subreddit since 2020 is so funny seeing this videos, taking seriously a chart that someone started for fun just to see how much money the gacha games that he played were making. People even said that the one who makes the chart is a hoyoshill when he refused for months to include genshin because he didn't care about the game, this is just peak comedy
@@XxxitsmehXx the first charts that he made was on excel with 15/20 games that he liked, in the upcoming months he was including more games that people wanted to see until he made the website and genshin was included just because people were spamming the name in the comments of the post
Again, why is it a scam now and not before? 😅 as a drama enjoyer since I like both games I find this funny. From "Genshin killer" to "Dev listened, we're fine" and now "it's a scam". What people are capable to do to be right or to witness a game to be better than the other somehow is amazing
Presents with facts and evidence within the site itself: It has always been just estimates made by a man that likes numbers. It would be better to check the faqs yourself and not believe your own narrative
It has always been a scam, just that people go with the flow and didn't bother fact checking. It is indeed amazing how it took this long to be found out
Its so funny how Wuthering Waves is the hill so many small CC's are willing to die on, the Genshin Clone of all games is the one they are willing to bet it all on. It's so sad 😂
It's so funny that People can't sleep defending and worth dying for Hoyo games when they rip off money from their Playerbase using gooner tactics, team building powercreeps and Paywalled QOL. MEANWHILE, a game like Wuthering Waves that saves people from Brainrot gooner genre like ZZZ, and pedo genre like Genshin and saves people from spending too much by Gacha addiction like Hoyoverse Business Strategy is using by providing Lower Gacha Rates and Better Gacha System so players pulls less by not adapting the never ending TEAM BUILDING powercreeps that milks players too much is the one hoyo dogs is HATING so much to EOS. Only retards will hate WuWa in this sense if they have common sense, unless they are just paid bots of Hoyoverse just simply doing what they are paid for.
Funniest shit I saw with these charts is when 2 months in a row they took previous month's estimate and halved it for WuWa, for both regions separately - CN and Global. Straight up. They didn't even try to make it believable.
Im pretty sure wuwa earns significant portion of money from pc as well since its more of a pc game (imo) than mobile Not to mention the packs are actually cheaper for my region atleast on pc coz they directly comvert from usd to my currency instead of having a fixed price directly in my currency like in ios or android which is usually inflated Also from what i have seen when i went to check sensor tower once, they weren't even tracking wuwa regularly And there was even a gap of a month or 2 at one point
2:34 this is the reason why I love this type of bait content because gacha players are already miserable and they take these "monthly revenue chart" seriously lmao
It's crazy to me that WuWa is bigger in the West when our first introduction to the game is the cursed soulless monotone of EN YangYang. I truly want to know how many people heard that voice and said, "Well this game is clearly low effort s**t" and stopped playing. I think the numbers would be truly staggering, hell, she even almost got me. I was side-eyeing the hell out of the first story bits until I got to go out and play the game for real and see that the gameplay kicked ass.
@@joshuasmith4643lol what? It's either Japanese due to animés popularity or English. Chinese, especially globally isn't probably even the 2nd choice. I myself play with the English voice-acting as I don't wanna read. But If I have to choose other than EN, I'd pick Japanese.
I mean I've only seen Wuwa Ccs constantly posting about this revenue chart lately like Sanitos and Stix Kazahana and before it was you Tectone Pokke and Gacha smack like I've never seen Genshin ccs care the community does because it's simply been at the top for a long time. Sensor tower has been around for over 13 years making predictions like I'm tired of seeing the Wuwa community victimise themselves hating on Genshin devs and animations so on but cry the moment Genshin community retaliates. We know one game makes more than the other like where is Wuwas open world hype going to come from apart from Genshin? Personally open world games haven't felt hype for years now tbh. But real talk this is legit tiring.
Saintontas didn't post about the site recently? Neither does Kazahana or gacha smack? He presents factual evidence within the site itself yet you keep denying the faqs of the literal site
@SuprisedBlackCat But they did post about it just the topic of revenue is fake or anything related to sensor tower whatsoever. It's always one those ccs making a video about it every month. And I don't remember denying anything I'm saying it's annoying it keeps getting brought up
@shkpotter9844 But where does it say on Sensor tower that it's real? We've known for years that they estimate as said on the website but ccs keep making videos about it like they just discovered the ultimate crime or something. It's like saying water is wet we already know lol.
Money made = good is THE CN culture. The more money they can maybe see a game make, the more safe they feel like spending in that game because it will last longer / has more people to interact. It doesn't need to even be a good game, just something they can be Para social over and control as much as they can. We all know the moment Genshin hits EOS theres going to be thousands of jumpers day of because all that money spent is gone. The reason why its so rampant is because the sheer amount of CN bros and CN info that gets pushed west. Notice how all of the shit head hoyoshills are all either CN or CN aligned.
It hits me even more when they are blatantly preventing their CN creators to cover WuWa. How much more if they make other tools like Gacha Revenue to show Money value and manipulate psychologically the market through media like their hound dogs r/ gachagaming, twitter fanatics and yt paid bots. They are a multi-billion company so they have a very good Social Media Professional Consultant that can advise them to make a team or groups of teams intended to psychologically manipulate the market through social media means and it is so effective to popularize any product they have no matter how shitty it is. Remember in Business, the best way to make money today is social media and second is to cut off the competitors advantage over them, be it the fair way or the dirty way. Money and Business is always dirty, only innocent folks who haven't experienced it are just the cute and gullible ones.
@@Ricky47564ty, yeah thats not really true. They only said they will revoke the access to preferential server they give out only to their preferential ccs if they were to cover products of their competitors. So, it is to be expected that you should follow certain rules if you are being given such benefits. You can still be a hoyo cc and cover wuthering waves, just not cc who's being given advantages.
"Me likes big number", a toxic Genshin fan that uses these revenues as an argument, probably. Also it doesn't surprise me this being fake, the company itself revealed the revenue in one of their official accounts? No? Then how do we know what is really true? I don't so i don't believe it completely
If you watched the video, it was clearly stated he was also a victim of this fake chart before the past videos he made. It is just now brought to light since more and more content creators have spread the truth of this fake charts and the evidence already speaks for itself now more people are aware.
It's insane how much hoyoverse's peak revenues have tilted so many people's idea of what a successful gacha game is so hard. Even if the data was 100% accurate, all the "gacha is dead" doomposting because the bigger games are "only" making $10 mil per month is so insane. I know it's easy clicks for these people but c'mon. These games making 10-15 mil are still WILDLY profitable over the cost of maintaining these games.
If wuthering waves since release is always the top 3 best selling games on ST i wonder if these wuwa cc will stoll make videos saying the data is screwed and inaccurate
As someone who has played Neural Cloud for a good long time, these lists mean nothing to me! "Bro added elemental mastery to the data" is such an insane chatter comment LOL
The problem is... The same people who are crying over this report right now used to believe it with their lives when WuWa made more. Like, I also believe this month's list isn't correct. But the duality is again visible. People will start believing it again when WuWa starts making big.
@@SuprisedBlackCat It may happen soon, but for now, it's all moving goalposts. "Wait for Jinhshi!" "Wait for Shorekeeper" "Wait for Cameliya" "Wait for Genshu Lin" and repeat that for every new 'hyped' unit
You do know after all this Arguments is said and done, the Truth still remains that this is Fake Revenue Charts. The most important thing now that we know the Truth is to spread the word and make people not be victims of this lie anymore.
@@StrongestHumanAlive After all arguments and excuses has been said and done, the Truth still slaps to the face that this is a Fake Revenue Chart and shouldn't be relied on, be you are kuro shill or hoyo shill. That's just simply it.
While I do know that these are fakes a long time ago, I still do think that Gnshin is dominating wuwa in revenue. Why? Cuz genshin have a lot of players that have Stockholm syndrome and their gacha is more predatory compared to WuWa. I still can't believe how wuwa's weapon system doesn't have 50/50 in it.
nooooo they are taking away the last argument that the hoyobots had to do something against wuwa HAHAHA since wuwa surpasses it in everything as a quality of game they will no longer have an excuse HAHAHAHA GENSHIN COULD NEVER
but like when was a time when it had high revenue? compare it to zzz when both games released zzz i think it was 100~ mil while wuwa was 40 mil~, yes both made a lot but now they are struggling to even hit 10mil now. The gacha revenue website definitely be lying, aint no way games that made that much now only make a portion of it when lots of people still play them because they are new games
@@aveteranweeb4188There is a reason why honey moon period exists for gacha games because that's a time when a gacha game is at peak of popularity both zzz and wuwa are way past that honey moon period the tourist players are gone and now what you have is the permanent players who actually play the game that's how each gacha game works
So it's all bullshit, well I'm not surprised tbh, fuck this then and let's get back enjoying our games, like we should have done all this time, not giving a f about the revenue as long as the game is not dead Has been fun though ngl
I'm kinda torn, he's missing a comparison of day 1 vs 15, why? maby it would weaken his argument, someone needs to run the numbers because that 1.75 multiplier might be good enough for a general estimate and his words should've been formed differently, why? because yes reports are misleading in it's presentation but still provide a good enough estimate so we shouldn't abandon it, rather push for more accurate data collection
@@alikos4528 That guy needs to be exposed so he can be landed with a massive lawsuit from Sensor Tower lol. Imagine the company is used by other giants in every professional fields to be called fake. The 1.75x multiplier only applies to CHINESE GOOGLE revenue, because China does NOT have Google, as Google is banned in China. However, Global Google revenue is still being reported by Sensor Tower, but this crook Saintontas chose to mislead his viewers into believing his lies. I really hope Sensor Tower catches his BS and sue him for defamation.
@@alikos4528you really can't get accurate data from the Sensor Tower when they themselves are using questionable methods to estimate revenues in all regions....
Bro why when wuwa got released everyone now starting to make video "gacha revenue is fake", I though wuwa player doenst care about revenue, bcs they said it doesnt affect player at all 😂
We are here to inform you all and point you in the right direction. You know like a Warning sign, don't believe in those numbers. A lot of people didn't even question this chart before or didn't even know if you read the comments. consider it a service to the community.
Bros' amount of copium rabbit hole is insane 💀 At this point WuWa fans will eat anything to prove to themselves that Genshin is inferior to their game🤣
The whole issue is that mihoyo said that Genshin made 5 billions only in china for mobile. Sensor Tower is nowhere near close to that. In a gamelook interview, some kuro shareholders said that in the first 5 months, WuWa made 400 to 420 millions of dollars. This as nothing to do with "Genshin vs WuWa". Is just that that site is shit and unreliable.
Man for how much these gacha games invest into their games and how much it costs them to run them, they are all chilling, we dont need these low effort games all making 50m monthly
"Genshin killer" "males don't sell well, wait for Yinlin" "the sales were bugged, wait for Changli" "$30m is actually good for Kuro, so what if our two most hyped banners can't beat Genshin/HSR in dead patches?" "ZheZhi isn't hype and this was a dead patch, game is fine" "Shorekeeper sales will blow up trust me its hype." "I think it's OK as long as we survive, right" "at least dEvs LiSTeNed even though WuWa has the worst story out of any mainstream gacha, the worst music, the worst writing, and the worst voice acting" "I'm glad WuWa is as niche as PGR, just shows that Kuro only cares for their players and not profits" "Camellya will save WuWa"
Gensht in a nut shell Thousands of lines of dialogue where maybe a third are actually saying something and the rest is just repeating 3 to 4 times the exact same information that was already delivered with the fucking mascot character repeating it another 5 times for good measure, because the developers have absolutely no hope in their audience so they basically treat them as if they were watching Dora the Explorer That's without even taking into consideration the key aspects of the story that are missable because they were shown in a limited event, a problem that would be as easy to fix as simply letting you see the cutscenes of the event so you can understand the context for the story without making you play through the event itself It is essentially a numbers game, as long as your character numbers are higher than the ones from the enemy the gameplay is essentially mindless button mashing, with the exception of maybe the highest level dungeons, but even at that it is not deep at all (as complex as Pokemon strategies of "water pokemon beats fire pokemon" and such) it is just flashy colors and effects with no mechanical depth whatsoever, absolutely nothing compared to the technical depth offered by games like Devil May Cry or even simpler systems like Sekiro, which just confuses me as to why the combat is one of the most praised aspects of the game The actual biggest issue I see with Genshin Impact as a game is its open world, all of the other problems could be more tolerable if it wasn't for this aspect in particular, and the why is very simple, Genshin world suffers from a "quantity>quality" philosophy, it is as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle, sure it is really really big, and some areas look nice, but there is nothing of substance to be had, it is not uncommon to see one of the biggest praises regarding the game being "I can't believe they let us have all this content for free!" and I ask, what content? side quest number 857 that's just speak to NPC that tells you nothing but go to point A kill a bunch of stuff collect your materials and fuck off? there's plenty of these quests, which go back to what I said before, a lot of numbers a lot of "content" but with no substance whatsoever
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It is very simple, unless a company comes out and says how much money they made, no one truly knows.
I mean, in this day and age it's kinda difficult to believe in words from companies
@@akhsanarrazi7825 if they are reporting revenue reports its for their investors, meaning they cant lie they would be sued to the ground if they did.
I guess you've never heard of Data Analysis. University Data Analysis programs are just all bullshit, and people who graduate are all scammers.
This is seriously why Flat Earther exists lol, just because you don't understand something, therefore it cannot be true.
@@nekochenYes because lets analyse unreliable data because thats how data analysis work
I can believe them until it's not a Chinese company 😂
Tectone actin like he knew it was fake the whole time 😂
You can see he focusing and being silent watching it, being surprised when he got to the FAQs section stating that the chart most CC's are revering as Holy Gospel is all made up all along.
You're watching delusion be broken in real time
Why is the subreddit even called GachaGaming when all they do every month is compare Genshin and WuWa?
npcgaming
The subreddit is really just r/hoyoshill
That sub should be renamed to HoyoRevenue
You probably don't even do reddit do you
That's only like one small portion of the posts
@@nightshrine4257 I’ve been following that subreddit for literal months. There were so many “Genshin vs WuWa” posts for so long that the mods literally has to step in and temporarily stop them
I think Girls Frontline is a great example of why a gacha doesn't need to make millions in order to stay relevant. It's known as the "Cockroach" of gacha games for that reason
It's the epitome of everyone know but noone plays 😂
Though for real the grind in this game is enormous and redundant
@giangtrinhtruong7952 yea, I love the minigame before the battles start (moving around the map), but man, the micromanagement can be a lot in this game
Our gacha is drip for the units and commander so I agree
What do you reckon the dev cost is for that compared to games like WuWa/Genshin though. Normal open world games take even triple A studios years and years to make, and they've gotta do these continual updates every few months. There's a huge difference in overhead if you go open world.
@@eckology016Luckily they’ve probably already made most of
the content in the game for bare minimum end of 3.0
No company makes a game without a plan
The thing is it's nearly impossible for wuthering waves to earn more money than hoyo games. If let's say the same amount of player spend money to max every new char with their weapon and let's say in both cases they lose every 50/50 or 75/25 or whatever and go hard pity wuwa will see less money since unlike genshin it has a hard pity of 80 instead of 90 and you can't even lose a 50/50 on the weapon banner on wuwa so wuwa would realistically speaking never earn more money than hoyo games since we'll the gacha system in wuwa is kinder to players
And you can also buy 2 copies from the shop as long as the banner is up.
I don't think he's saying that
That's the point. Think about it. Wuwa isn't trying to get JUST whales to spend but average gamers in general. they are shooting for more gamers to spend for a cheaper product. Example: 10 people spend at hundred dollars for characters vs 200 people spends only 20 dollars for characters. They're playing the long game. By making it more affordable and EARNING players trust people will spend out of loyalty.
@@BlazeSwigglePlayzMcOh yeah forgot about that part haven't played since shore keeper release date got her and haven't played since.
But yeah it's far easier to max the limited chars and their respective weapons so wuwa earning more than genshin is neatly impossible it would need a hype banner while genshin is in a dead patch with let's say boring reruns like probably lyney and maybe eula no front against those two but the hype for them wouldn't be big
Its also WAY easier to get astrites. You are almost able to get all the characters f2p, no reason to ever pay
I've been telling people this info on reddit for a few months now. Glad to see it's finally actually being discussed in the larger community.
To note, the reason that the android numbers are set at 1.75X IOS is because China has a 75% Android to IOS market, but end of the day, this doesn't mean that both sets of users are spending the same amount. Android users while 75% of the phone market, could spend half, or even DOUBLE IOS and we simply will never know...
I like your take on this because this can also be said when people say they need to include PC revenue for Genshin/Wuwa or whatever game.. Or even player counts across different platforms. Just gotta take it with a big grain of salt.
GenshinKnight with a Furina pfp will always come to save the day for his multi-billion dollar company
Can't make a good arguement on why they like ganshin LIKE BRO CHARACTERS, FANTASTICAL WORLD, HARD EXPLORATION AND YOU CHOOSE THE MOST RTDD WAY OF DEFENDING THE GAME
It’s like watching a brainwashed person irl.
Did someone call me? 🙃Not a Genshin knight tho haha.
@@Creeperific Nah no worries. You have a good day. We’re just frustrated those people can’t make a better arguement than revenue. If you truly love the game, wouldn’t you know the things you truly love within it?
@@SuprisedBlackCat Haha, I don't particularly love Genshin, but I love Furina, that's why I have her as my pfp. You have a good day too 🤗
Wait until you find out how television estimated their viewership based on a fraction of polled people until not too long ago.
No surprises here. Just look at the increasing production quality of WuWa animations/trailers/optimization - there's no way they're bleeding money.
On the other hand, the marketing for this game has been absolutely terrible. And they cut costs significantly, barely any content. Also, i would like to see the increasing quality when 1.4 trailer was by far the most mediocre one since 1.0, and jiyan trailer still has the most production value.
Sooner or later there might be some brainded haters saying 'since it's dying they need to push harder'
companies dont operate like this, like at all. The trailers and animations are made months beforehand, their revenue has nothing to do with it. Even if wuwa tanked from day 1 they would have made the improvements and all the characters you are seeing right now.
Its a long term investment, not a parlay for the weekend. For instance, Blue Protcol was doing awfully from day 1 and devs still introduced a new class and were working on a new region alongside many QOL improvements
@@kiuhh1118😂😂u sure u just don't love jiyan?😂, storekeeper,jinsi,changli are all peak trailers if not better 😂
@@kiuhh1118😅kuro marketing is bad?.Well well ,what do u expect they fed up for PGR ,but they significantly improved for WW ,maybe u aren't active on their marketing 😂😅
like there is no way xiangli yao a free character made more money than shorekeeper one of the most liked unit rn and a must pull since no much healers in the game
its probably because shorekeepers first 3 days were last month (biggest revenue, ~60/70% of a banner whole revenue), and we also got jiyan that was charting about the same as xiangliyao but yeah. she easily made over 15m$ from a banner
@@artyur2268 yao as a free male unit made over 5mil is also crazy number
@@_an1s_nah it's pretty normal Dr ratio made like 10 million too
@@doomguydoomguy3285 it's different case hsr was already so much popular than wuwa it was always top 1 in gacha revenue so yeah
@@_an1s_ That's why 5 million is reasonable for wuwa people who actually like the character will pull for copies or the weapon and in yao's case his weapon was actually good
I think we should rank all casinos to know which ones are the best based on their ability to milk their players. It's really smart
Seeing this made me remember Dawei crying. That shit is rent-free in my head.
Omg the amount of gullible people in the comments falling for his crocodile tears
@@WeareLegion97People are soft these days What can you expect
The most disgusting move from hoyo game 😂😂😂. And i laughed so hard to see content creators thumbnails showing their sadness towards dawei crying.
🤣 imagine being sympathetic to the CEO of a multi billion dollar game company because he cried when people are talking bad about his game for the lack of improvement in 4 years in which the CEO/devs are aware of. hahaha
@@yejiyej3369 Exactly
It's totally easy to come to the conclusion that Wuwa earns less then Genshin simply playing the game and knowing how easier it is to get characters and weapons in wuwa without spending money on the game
yeah, im still f2p but I got almost every limited chars except jinhsi and yinlin
People are going to be saying ZZZ has failed/fallen off forever, for the simple reason that it's best platform is PC and PS5. The game just simply isn't that good on mobile and you need to buy a controller attachment to even play it well. And what two platforms aren't included on the sensor tower report? Yep. Strap-in ZZZ fans. Everyone's going to be saying yanagi killed the game.
Welcome to the hell the decent/good wuwa players deal with, when they say it though people use to say "that's just an excuse" they both better on pc, and zzz has ps5 already and soon wuwa will but people will always say this stuff sadly. Also I play zzz as well.
@depressoexpresso8469 I can assure you. I skipped on playing wuwa because it wasn't available on the PS5. And I don't want my phone to explode. I enjoy the drama from these reports. But that's because I like watching Tec and Pokke farm the drama. But yeah, I'm looking forward to WuWa's inevitable release on console. It looks like it has so much more than Genshin
change ZZZ to WuWa and remove Console part.
They are same.
I am playing ZZZ just fine on mobile while clearing all content, including S ranking Shiyu Defence as an F2P.. literally a skill issue if you can't play it normally on mobile... also, the TVs are definitely better played on mobile XD
@@shinsukesama8665 It's not about skill, it's about enjoyment. People dont want to deal with lag, lower graphic.
It has been absolute bs for a long time. Especially when iOS is a minuscule portion of the market anywhere outside the US.
Exactly this
kinda nice to see some comments from HSR, ZZZ and WuWa players backing up each other from this scamtower revenue, even atleast once on this channel. lol
why do we even care about mobile only revenue reports
why do people even care about revenue reports period as if they owned shares in the company lmao
@@Ilasperrsunk cost fallacy if the game they invested all their time and money into is "dying" then all their efforts and investments are wasted
its a copium for those who gambles on gacha games for thousands of dollar
imagine you spent $50,000 on gacha games and sees its only earning a few million a month you'll be scared af that people doesnt play your game much anymore you cant flex your $50,000 waifu to f2p players
Mobile > pc
People just wanna be a part of something 😂
It's always been a scam even before GI exist 😂
The biggest problem I see in these is that it uses rvenue as an independent variable, when in statistics it is a dependent variable. This list ignores all external factors such as time of year (think middle of June vs end of September), patch reception, new character releases (or lack there of), and even the fact that the values change relative to each other. That last one especially, because if someone plays multiple of the games on the list, they will spend more or less depending on how much they are willing to at once. Thus shoes the problem of measuring success with money, of which needs measuring to begin with.
And I am aware of the point that it is easy to talk about/digest, but that should not be the first thought with statistics. Get accurate data, then make it easily digestible.
now i know why does games less than 100k on the chart is still running
Exacly. Limbus company production value is high but it gets lower than any gacha game I played
Bcuz the scope of these games are small
this site could just write random numbers and people would belive it tbh
Wuthering Waves reactivates people's critical thinking skills again. 🥰 Fcking dope. Proud of the Wuwa community always having a qualitative approach!
HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY
I am with WuWa, Pokemon TCG and HSR
Yeah at least Wuwa managed to point out the obvious flaws in those made up charts.
You mean Kuro overall technically some got it from PGR others just naturally have it. So it's not sure Wuwa 😂
The reaction of WuWa players to Sensory tower revenue chart went from "Wait for Changli/Jinshi" TO "this is just mobile revenue" TO "Many players play WuWa on PC" TO "This sensory tower numbers are made up and fake.". 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bro most of y'll believe this sh*t for too long even before WuWa release.
Yeah because EVERY GACHA COMMNUNITY BELIEVED THIS SHT
@@SuprisedBlackCatTrue
Whn Genshin was not in top 3 , they literally screaming Genshin dead , now their game is not even in top 10 , also don't forget the downward trend 😂
Don't act innocent there, every one in the Gacha community use this chart as gospel. Genshin knight still praising it's the best Gacha because it make the most money. you are all irrecuperable idiots if you believe in any of those numbers.
Let's get those facts straight.
@@moonlover2310CAP!!!! You make narratives just to demonize others nerd
Just enjoy the game lmao
guys is just so easy lets take wuwa for example after 1.1 there was a notice that get online that kuro was expanded their studio to 150 people more studios that involve animation sound everything that means more hire of people you think a game that is not doing good a company that is not doing good will do that? even kuro said that they did not know that wuwa will be this successfull
🎉 W to the devs of wuwa, zzz, hsr man. they at least are all good devs + learn from constructive criticism
i dont play wuwa but seeing the way these 3 game devs entirely care about community 🎉
meanwhile genshin giving people PTSD of trust 🥶
And they also said that they already made back the money they put into wuwa.
@@Taz-111 yep, with 1.0 only they made enouth money to dev the game for 3 years.
Bro thinks hiring more chefs to work in the kitchen will make your food somehow taste better there's just no way lmao
They never said any of this
The playerbase is sinking, the views are falling, new players are not coming, no one is cosplaying the characters of this game. We can all cope and blame everything on gacha revenue but the reality is the Kuro is failing to keep the community engaged. The fact that they did not do livestream for one of the most hyped up character shows how little they care about their marketing.
They probably don't have enough money for marketing 😢😢😢
Me when I ignore facts literally on the site itself:
@@moonlover2310Because the PDF do doesn’t she?
@@XxxitsmehXx Check google trends and compare wuwa to genshin, hsr and zzz even nikke. Can't call google fake now can we.
@@eternity1950Hey is my factual evidence coming through?
Does it really matter, it’s main purpose is to start PvP battles
Tried saying this last video this ridiculous notion that WuWa was dying was silly. Certain patches and certain characters will always fluctuate. ZZZ had 3 back to back to back really good S rank units peoples pockets are literally drained. People are trying to save and strategize who they should spend their money on. It’s a difference between having downtime in gacha and then a gacha actually quite literally doing bad.
And how would it be dying even if the data given by censor tower were right? 5million in REVENUE would still mean that they not only sre covering for their expesnes but also having extra money after that
That burnice trailer is was massive success but zzz revenue went down
@@smartkking4984 On PS5, ZZZ was top 5 across 4 region for the first week of Burnice's banner btw. That was a massive success.
We don’t know what happened to ZZZ’s revenue following the Burnice trailer. The whole point of this video was to establish that the data provided by Gacharevenue is worthless.
@@smartkking4984only iOS bro? Android source they made the f up
zzz had iOS, console, pc , android
Aint no way he talks about agenda when he has been making content about this website monthly to people that didnt know that the site wasnt accurate because even tectone didnt know about it.
I wonder if he is going to still use it next month without saying to the people that wont watch this video that the site is innacurate.
Thats his entire channel lol. Be in drama get ad revenue and boom success
I actually think these people can't understand how huge the number " $10M+ " is like dude they earning more money to develop so less like they keeping atleast more than half of that shit lol.
Wu kong was made with 70 million dollars and thats 2 months of wuwa revenue and 1 month of hoyo games like trust me you don't need 20-30M+ dollars to run these games lol.
of course you dont notice it have you even seen what they pumped up with the trailers last month
If the statistics are based on purely mobile players, then I can tell you for sure there aren't many spending money on WuWa through mobile. This is simply due to the not so amazing optimization for the mobile engine. Believe me, I TRIED.
I still play it on my computer. However, doing dailies on my phone is an experience I would not wish on my worst enemy. 💀
it work fine with me, PC and Phone, i think you're all playing under the system requirements,
that typically how people have issue for PC games too. Not the answer people want but the only actual brutal truth
Get better Phone and PC. Wuwa is way more demanding than most gacha games.
I have two mobile but a Poco X6 Pro do the job and my PC is Ryzen 3600 with RTX 2060. Zero problem.
genshin making more money than wuwa is the only argument genshin players have ever had that makes their game "better"
Even the comments can’t seem to defend genshin and I am AR 58 on it. Does this imply genshin is so terrible revenue is the only defense they can make?
@@XxxitsmehXx basicly yes.
@@theolailheugue9402 I truly enjoy the game because of its world building( apparently brainless fans for got about that ). I like having to explore each region thats based on an element. What would be the nation of hydro? What will be in the nation of puro? Lore is one thing but practicallity in the world building is what I like and hope wuwa puts more bucks in
@@XxxitsmehXx Blud says he enjoys exploration in genshit, the exploration is garbage and is way inferior to the one in wuwa.
I finishes exploring everything in a few days, what are you gonna do after you finish exploring? xD
The only thing you liked about the game is temporary, after that what?
@@soratenshi2847 Blud I never said exploration, I said world building XD🫵
Blue archive made over 400 million revenue in 2 years. Let’s just say we don’t have full picture on how much they making
ultimately, none of this matters unless a game's production quality changes significantly, or goes eos. until then, it's just a flexing competition
Tbh, wouldn’t be surprised if zzz and wuwa had their actual revenues hidden. Those two games have really good devs and have the flashiest combat in the space. And just gonna keep it objective, HSR, zzz, and wuwa, all shit on genshin as a game in like all aspects.
Til this day, I don’t see how genshin still makes money. I quit maybe 5 months into the game’s life cycle, and none of the issues I had with the game got fixed even after several years. Not only do the models look the worst out of the other 3 games, but the combat is deadass worse too. Both visually and feel-wise. Not to mention the dev team is probably the worst in the space. Like why do yall support a dev team who does jack shit. The game’s story ain’t even all that 💀. It’s mid at best, and with all of it being unskippable, it just makes it a drag to even read.
Not that I really care how well a game does financially, but come on y’all. Let’s not keep dumping hella money toward devs who don’t care about u at all lmfao. Saying “it’s fine” is about the worst thing you can do to a game’s state.
genshin devs give PTSD of scamming players man 💀
That buddy wat u call brainwash
@@Xukagi are zzz devs better than the hsr devs? Very curious about this. I played zzz for a week then decided tv is not for me
@@momomomo-lt5fsthey removed tv already, zzz devs are surprisingly responsive for a hoyo game
Genshin is just earning this much thanks to it gathering a large fanbase during the pandemic for being the first of its kind. It's kinda similar to like being a cult. That or they're just too deep into the gameo quit at this point
Well, now I want someone to make a site that reveals 100% accurate, verifyable data.
That wont happened, cause nobody knows how much money those companies made on PC except themselves.
@MuYi-Shawn I'm not saying they have to report data from every potential source, I'm just saying report only the KNOWN data.
no company will disclose its revenue to public
@@Blackoutdmc how can one know said data if source is airtight...
@@theburning_yandere710You have a point. But I'm just saying it would be nice if we knew for sure. Thats something that I would like.
So, I never saw the Sensor Tower chart as a "real" chart for the numbers but I do take it as a "trend analysis", and I find it accurate with it if you pair it with cites like Google trends or the interaction on Social Media. Here are some of my opinions:
1. While GI shows a normal trend like the majority of other games which is true since the game currently in a "stable" period with a revenue showing around a 40-50 mil mark and fluctuations. WuWa revenue since release has always been reduced.
2. Why the month with Xiangli Yao has higher revenue than the month when Shorekeeper mostly in ? Simple, at the end of September, the Shorekeeper banner appeared in the last 3 days, so with a normal gacha player consumer, this is the time when they will spend the most. (EDITED: After the first post, SensorTower did update the WuWa September revenue, from 6mil to around 11mil, I think that is the estimation of the Shorekeeper banner)
3. About the character and wp banner, while yes WuWa does offer a more friendly gacha system it really not much of a difference: 10 pity lower (so like 20 dollars) and according to cite that estimate pull (still implementing the trend arguement) the number of pulls on weapon are really low compare to character banners.
4. While you can argue that this doesn't include PC, GI and ZZZ are on PC too, and on PS5 they are always at least in the top 5 in all region (and this was calaulated by the PS Store).
In conclusion, I think we shouldn't see the chart as a prove for its numbers but rather the trend, for last 5 months the trend of WuWa has always been downward, so it means there are problems with the game.
Blud forgot the market for wuwa is mostly pc since i can guarantee you the vast majority of people cant run it on a phone, i have a pretty decent phone myself and i feel like ts gonna explode if i keep playing on it. Luckily my laptop runs it perfectly fine
This is why some of the GI community is labelled as stupid shills lol. Just because revenue is down, doesn't mean there are problems with the game lil bro. Actual wishful thinking.
@@shkpotter9844 nope the game has problems and maybe you don't find it I will label it down here for you (noted I played the game myself and also a lot of these comes from WuWa groups):
1. The game is terrible on mobile, it's like it doesn't supposed to be here.
2. The event are lacklusted, same with GI
3. The story feels like a dating simulator or a harem anime, when you have a MC getting simped by almost every characters.
4. The game already had a bad reputation in CN, WuWa players were given the name "Hoyoson" because a lot of the thing in WuWa has a lot of similarities with GI, players even point out in the first TOS, they left the word Hoyo in it (you can believe this if you like)
The fact you are saying that like the game has no problems, showing that you guys are no different from hoyoshills, always ignore that the game can have problems that need to fix, if it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it not a problem because there are people and players address them.
@@spiiralwya I already stated that and I already said that is not a way to deflect the trend on mobile.
1. That doesn't mean GI and ZZZ aren't available on PC
2. If saying like you then why the hell they release a mobile version in the first place ? Another weird thing is that if they did release it, then why not trying to fix some problems on mobile ?
Again, I'm not indicating that WuWa is a bad game, I just said it has problem, same like GI, it's not a bad game, but there are problems.
@@zerozgaming5770 more like its impossible to run ue4 fine on most phones on the market, and also its downright stupid to not release a gacha game on mobile devices
It's funny that you can also change the multiplier yourself aswell to make it more.
It's kinda like UserBenchMark how they have a good template for a Website but then the entire website ended up being one guys crusade against AMD.
the numbers for my fav games are good: the list is factual & real
the numbers for my fav games are bad: the list is fake & made up
Remember the good old days before Wuthering Waves existed? Gacha revenue reports were always fun and nobody complained. But now, we have Wuther Bitches all up in arms all because a nobody content creator spew some bullshit they don't understand. Sensor Tower is fake? Does he even know Sensor Tower is a reputable company employed by a hundred other international corporations, warner brothers, disney, amazon, goldman sachs, morgan stanley, etc.. Defamation is a serious offense.
@@nekochenITS DEFAMATION BECAUSE ITS THE TRUTH BUT MEAN!!!!
Me when I ignore facts literally in the site itself:
@@XxxitsmehXx It's defamation when your elementary level of education does not fully grasp the meaning of data analysis, then proceed to slander a reputable international company used by and relied on by other major players in various fields. I think it speaks volumes if Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley use Sensor Tower for its trend analysis. Go back to your brothers in the flat earth society.
@@nekochen As someone who was been in the gachagaming subreddit since 2020 is so funny seeing this videos, taking seriously a chart that someone started for fun just to see how much money the gacha games that he played were making.
AND LMAO WHICH REPUTABLE COMPANY? You bark more than you bite thinking Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley actually cares about the data much more the chart.
Also the comment on unreliable data got deleted. Must've been youtube stopping you from being dumb
(ragebait)
know knowing the Data is more likely to be fake i realized it only got more important because people think Wuwa is doing bad.
Just few months ago, we happily agreed and celebrated our favorite games' revenue with the help of that Sensor Tower, we didn't think twice if it was fake or not. Until Wuthering Waves got released and people started digging information about its authenticity. Yeah, compentition will really expose the worst of us sometimes.
I also refuse to believe NIKKE isn't doing better than it is on the chart. Look at the events it has held, merchandising (in Japan from what I can see), quality of minigames they release, along with the amount of gifts they give players during the anniversary events. Not to mention they actually give you 20+ easy free ticket pulls every event. That stuff doesn't come cheap.
NIKKE just gave us at least 40 pulls for free, NIKKE is thriving.
wuwa already implementing weapon skins. skins for our favorite resonators are right around the corner boys
now theres magically android numbers on the website LMAO (and the new numbers are almost the exact same as ios)
LMAO What?
@@arkcanon1282 they updated the website sometime after the original video came out
Thanks for covering this topic. It baffles me how many blindly follow numbers without looking into sources. Also, Saintontas is a great creator and should get more spotlight! Underrated CC
he's one of the minority who's able to argue with logics and facts
Yeah Wuwa community need more galzers like him
@@eternity1950Objective facts are glazing I guess😂😂😂
notice how some of the people here didn't call out sensor tower for being "misleading" when wuwa was high on the chart surpassing genshin for a brief while but instead using the chart for bragging
they were saying its over for genshin
the bias is showing here
CAP!!! Genshin has always had high revenue and saying it was over for genshin was a meme within the genshin community itself. ( okbuddytraveler )
Obviously there is bias but reopening critical thinking is what I feel will be achived with this video
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Wasn't it Okbuddygenshin???
@@jaredjosephsongheng372 Oh right thanks for reminding me cause I only go to okbuddytralblazer nowadays
Because for new game, it's normal to have high revenue, people like to spend on new game, enjoy it then quit if not suit (for whale)
While people notice bias on data when Wuwa get good Character but gain less that Free character patch lmao
First release data seems legit, but later people notice bias on data and it's debunked because who put data on sensor tower busted putting fake data there
Especially when chart went off for couple months lol
Simply Sensor Tower is Hoyoshills who play Hoyo games and know when game have high hype and average income from that while when Wuwa comes, they're not hiring Wuwa player so data bias very high due to no clue what happens on Wuwa lol, imagine Hoyo pay a lot on Ads game especially this revenue chart that becoming thing when Gacha game from Hoyo rose up, I won't surprise
I love how the anti WuWa community is becoming more and more irrelevant as Kuro keeps delivering.
Enjoy RINASCITA, bro
Video: These numbers are fake
Tectone: True!
also Tectone: makes tons of videos reacting to the revenue reports every month
Tectone: well you see I know it's not real, but I pretend to make people angry...
yea ok buddy lol
Smart buisness decisions. People call him a rtd but he's the one making the bag lol
Sensor Tower is about as useful as using Userbenchmark when buying PC parts.
Yea, the estimating thing is something I thought they did and never took this serious to start. Plus not including PC/console sales is a big red flag.
a video coming from a person using AI to talk and is a kurobots, sure it's believable. the only thing i agree with is that these numbers are not 100% accurate and only companies have the real numbers
Saintontas doesn’t use an ai voice. Thats his real voice which is dumb but in the case of belivability he’s going off the sites faqs
@@XxxitsmehXx if that's his real voice then he's more of a bot than i though😂😂
@@thegamehelperz2746 Can’t make a counter arguement cause its kinda true 🤣🤣🤣 the guy uses a news reporter way of talking which I must less prefer compared to the video having funny bits to lighten up the information being taken
to be fair its not only wuwa that has bad data, ios is only 24% of chinas phones, so they multiply it by 175% it should proberly be better to do 300% since it would proberly be closer to the real numbers, which means all of these games are doing way better than we think and a few months ago when star rail was making 100m it was probably way more
the first time I heard this is mobile only I always wondered how people take this even serious. Some games are just more mobile friendly than other. No wonder honkai star rail dominated these charts for a while games likes wuwa suffer due to their higher base of pc players
Enjoyed every min of this vid! You nailed it!
8:51 😂😂 i saw someone from that fandom says this before in facebook...like then why u been trusting that site before but now u dont trusted it
As someone who was been in the gachagaming subreddit since 2020 is so funny seeing this videos, taking seriously a chart that someone started for fun just to see how much money the gacha games that he played were making. People even said that the one who makes the chart is a hoyoshill when he refused for months to include genshin because he didn't care about the game, this is just peak comedy
What? He included genshin from the start what are you talking about???
Cc’s made it like that with the literal information hard to find within the site so its understandable why people trust it.
@@XxxitsmehXx the first charts that he made was on excel with 15/20 games that he liked, in the upcoming months he was including more games that people wanted to see until he made the website and genshin was included just because people were spamming the name in the comments of the post
Again, why is it a scam now and not before? 😅 as a drama enjoyer since I like both games I find this funny. From "Genshin killer" to "Dev listened, we're fine" and now "it's a scam". What people are capable to do to be right or to witness a game to be better than the other somehow is amazing
Presents with facts and evidence within the site itself:
It has always been just estimates made by a man that likes numbers. It would be better to check the faqs yourself and not believe your own narrative
It has always been a scam, just that people go with the flow and didn't bother fact checking. It is indeed amazing how it took this long to be found out
Its so funny how Wuthering Waves is the hill so many small CC's are willing to die on, the Genshin Clone of all games is the one they are willing to bet it all on. It's so sad 😂
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It's so funny that People can't sleep defending and worth dying for Hoyo games when they rip off money from their Playerbase using gooner tactics, team building powercreeps and Paywalled QOL.
MEANWHILE, a game like Wuthering Waves that saves people from Brainrot gooner genre like ZZZ, and pedo genre like Genshin and saves people from spending too much by Gacha addiction like Hoyoverse Business Strategy is using by providing Lower Gacha Rates and Better Gacha System so players pulls less by not adapting the never ending TEAM BUILDING powercreeps that milks players too much is the one hoyo dogs is HATING so much to EOS.
Only retards will hate WuWa in this sense if they have common sense, unless they are just paid bots of Hoyoverse just simply doing what they are paid for.
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Funniest shit I saw with these charts is when 2 months in a row they took previous month's estimate and halved it for WuWa, for both regions separately - CN and Global. Straight up. They didn't even try to make it believable.
Im pretty sure wuwa earns significant portion of money from pc as well since its more of a pc game (imo) than mobile
Not to mention the packs are actually cheaper for my region atleast on pc coz they directly comvert from usd to my currency instead of having a fixed price directly in my currency like in ios or android which is usually inflated
Also from what i have seen when i went to check sensor tower once, they weren't even tracking wuwa regularly
And there was even a gap of a month or 2 at one point
2:34 this is the reason why I love this type of bait content because gacha players are already miserable and they take these "monthly revenue chart" seriously lmao
It's crazy to me that WuWa is bigger in the West when our first introduction to the game is the cursed soulless monotone of EN YangYang.
I truly want to know how many people heard that voice and said, "Well this game is clearly low effort s**t" and stopped playing. I think the numbers would be truly staggering, hell, she even almost got me. I was side-eyeing the hell out of the first story bits until I got to go out and play the game for real and see that the gameplay kicked ass.
Simply cause all of this was fix at mid 1.0 for Yinlin and totaly revamp in 1.1.
Gonna be real with ya, most casuals are either playing this game in CN voice or no sound at all.
@@joshuasmith4643 Both of these options seem like a stunted definition of Casual
Most people are absolutely not playing it in chinese. Why would you even do that when the japanese voices exist as a casual player? @@joshuasmith4643
@@joshuasmith4643lol what? It's either Japanese due to animés popularity or English. Chinese, especially globally isn't probably even the 2nd choice. I myself play with the English voice-acting as I don't wanna read. But If I have to choose other than EN, I'd pick Japanese.
I mean I've only seen Wuwa Ccs constantly posting about this revenue chart lately like Sanitos and Stix Kazahana and before it was you Tectone Pokke and Gacha smack like I've never seen Genshin ccs care the community does because it's simply been at the top for a long time. Sensor tower has been around for over 13 years making predictions like I'm tired of seeing the Wuwa community victimise themselves hating on Genshin devs and animations so on but cry the moment Genshin community retaliates. We know one game makes more than the other like where is Wuwas open world hype going to come from apart from Genshin? Personally open world games haven't felt hype for years now tbh. But real talk this is legit tiring.
Saintontas didn't post about the site recently? Neither does Kazahana or gacha smack? He presents factual evidence within the site itself yet you keep denying the faqs of the literal site
Stop fvcking lying dis shet revenue only appear when genshin is
@SuprisedBlackCat But they did post about it just the topic of revenue is fake or anything related to sensor tower whatsoever. It's always one those ccs making a video about it every month. And I don't remember denying anything I'm saying it's annoying it keeps getting brought up
@QueenYinlin I mean, if they posted about how the sensor tower report is misleading, that's facts, no?
@shkpotter9844 But where does it say on Sensor tower that it's real? We've known for years that they estimate as said on the website but ccs keep making videos about it like they just discovered the ultimate crime or something. It's like saying water is wet we already know lol.
Money made = good is THE CN culture. The more money they can maybe see a game make, the more safe they feel like spending in that game because it will last longer / has more people to interact. It doesn't need to even be a good game, just something they can be Para social over and control as much as they can.
We all know the moment Genshin hits EOS theres going to be thousands of jumpers day of because all that money spent is gone. The reason why its so rampant is because the sheer amount of CN bros and CN info that gets pushed west. Notice how all of the shit head hoyoshills are all either CN or CN aligned.
It hits me even more when they are blatantly preventing their CN creators to cover WuWa. How much more if they make other tools like Gacha Revenue to show Money value and manipulate psychologically the market through media like their hound dogs r/ gachagaming, twitter fanatics and yt paid bots.
They are a multi-billion company so they have a very good Social Media Professional Consultant that can advise them to make a team or groups of teams intended to psychologically manipulate the market through social media means and it is so effective to popularize any product they have no matter how shitty it is.
Remember in Business, the best way to make money today is social media and second is to cut off the competitors advantage over them, be it the fair way or the dirty way.
Money and Business is always dirty, only innocent folks who haven't experienced it are just the cute and gullible ones.
@@Ricky47564ty, yeah thats not really true. They only said they will revoke the access to preferential server they give out only to their preferential ccs if they were to cover products of their competitors.
So, it is to be expected that you should follow certain rules if you are being given such benefits. You can still be a hoyo cc and cover wuthering waves, just not cc who's being given advantages.
"Me likes big number", a toxic Genshin fan that uses these revenues as an argument, probably. Also it doesn't surprise me this being fake, the company itself revealed the revenue in one of their official accounts? No? Then how do we know what is really true? I don't so i don't believe it completely
When WuWa was making decent numbers in the first few months I heard a different tune from Kuro shills (re: Sensor Tower). Just saying...
Yeah because the information never spread. Like even r/gachagaming deconstructed the chart
If you watched the video, it was clearly stated he was also a victim of this fake chart before the past videos he made.
It is just now brought to light since more and more content creators have spread the truth of this fake charts and the evidence already speaks for itself now more people are aware.
Also don't forget , when Genshin was below HSR , they said Genshin was dead .
Now it's a scam cuz my favorite game is below Genshin 😢😢
@@moonlover2310Yeah hsr community is pathetic
It's insane how much hoyoverse's peak revenues have tilted so many people's idea of what a successful gacha game is so hard. Even if the data was 100% accurate, all the "gacha is dead" doomposting because the bigger games are "only" making $10 mil per month is so insane. I know it's easy clicks for these people but c'mon. These games making 10-15 mil are still WILDLY profitable over the cost of maintaining these games.
idk why people still think this is real... as if company will disclose its revenue to public? 😂
fr this is the most problem by media nowadays feeding misinformation every month/everyday
Hoyoshills screaming rn
If wuthering waves since release is always the top 3 best selling games on ST i wonder if these wuwa cc will stoll make videos saying the data is screwed and inaccurate
Most likely. BECAUSE INACCURATE INFORMATION IS INNACURATE INFORMATION. No matter who done. It was gonna be revealed eventually.
it always been that way, but since this is kurobots we talking about, they only believe it when the revenue is on top
BAHAHAHA Never knew you would be here as well. You're as dedicated as me and that brings me happiness
@@SuprisedBlackCat i always been here
@@broiscapping Thanks man, Thanks. So next time we meet what insult should I hurl at you?
So the worse the game the better the revenue. Kuro devs take notes
Me waiting for "wuwa copied again" 😅😅😅😅😅
Sunken cost fallacy too strong with the Genshin player base. If they only let it go, then they can truly experience a better gacha world.
glad i stay away from this shit revenue stuff
I didn't even know people are using those revenues to rage bait each other like bro..💀
@slembaby well now you know never ending war
As someone who has played Neural Cloud for a good long time, these lists mean nothing to me!
"Bro added elemental mastery to the data" is such an insane chatter comment LOL
The problem is... The same people who are crying over this report right now used to believe it with their lives when WuWa made more. Like, I also believe this month's list isn't correct. But the duality is again visible. People will start believing it again when WuWa starts making big.
Nah we don't know that. I think after camellya we'll have a moving on period for the chart
@@SuprisedBlackCat It may happen soon, but for now, it's all moving goalposts.
"Wait for Jinhshi!"
"Wait for Shorekeeper"
"Wait for Cameliya"
"Wait for Genshu Lin"
and repeat that for every new 'hyped' unit
You do know after all this Arguments is said and done, the Truth still remains that this is Fake Revenue Charts.
The most important thing now that we know the Truth is to spread the word and make people not be victims of this lie anymore.
True. If the stats on Sensor tower is looking great for Wuwa. They'd definitely believe it otherwise not. The duality. They're literally coping
@@StrongestHumanAlive After all arguments and excuses has been said and done, the Truth still slaps to the face that this is a Fake Revenue Chart and shouldn't be relied on, be you are kuro shill or hoyo shill. That's just simply it.
the real way to know how popular a game is, how much ✨art ✨they have
While I do know that these are fakes a long time ago, I still do think that Gnshin is dominating wuwa in revenue. Why? Cuz genshin have a lot of players that have Stockholm syndrome and their gacha is more predatory compared to WuWa.
I still can't believe how wuwa's weapon system doesn't have 50/50 in it.
I mean Hoyoverse kids will still perforn better, be it an estimate or not. Genshin will always be bigger, Star Rail will always be better, and ZZZ
nooooo they are taking away the last argument that the hoyobots had to do something against wuwa HAHAHA since wuwa surpasses it in everything as a quality of game they will no longer have an excuse HAHAHAHA GENSHIN COULD NEVER
MY COMPANY EXPLOITS MORE MONEY THAN YOURS!!!!
3:05 We will be there Eggman 🙏🙏🙏
"bruh if they made it CP im down for that"
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Ahh yes, when wuwa has low revenue it's probably a lie. But when it has high revenue suddenly it's a fact
You are a complete clown. The ENTIRE site is a lie.
no its not lmao....stop saying stupid shit
"probably a lie" and then if you check android charts theyre frozen for a week at least twice a month 💀
but like when was a time when it had high revenue? compare it to zzz when both games released zzz i think it was 100~ mil while wuwa was 40 mil~, yes both made a lot but now they are struggling to even hit 10mil now. The gacha revenue website definitely be lying, aint no way games that made that much now only make a portion of it when lots of people still play them because they are new games
@@aveteranweeb4188There is a reason why honey moon period exists for gacha games because that's a time when a gacha game is at peak of popularity both zzz and wuwa are way past that honey moon period the tourist players are gone and now what you have is the permanent players who actually play the game that's how each gacha game works
Thats a nice argument senator but how about you back it up with a source...
"THE SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT TF UP!"
-average gacha gamer
AYE YO I JUST LIKE HOURS AGO FOUND THIS TH-camR AND WATCHED HIS GUIDE AND REALLY LIKED HIS VIDEO AND NOW YOUR REACTING SAME GUY
WHAT A COINCIDENCE
I mean, the WuWa content space is generally pretty small…
So it's all bullshit, well I'm not surprised tbh, fuck this then and let's get back enjoying our games,
like we should have done all this time, not giving a f about the revenue as long as the game is not dead
Has been fun though ngl
i thought gacha gamers hate PvP 🤔😂 but when gacha revenue release they started doing it
They know the lewd characters sell the most.
Cover sidneymar wuwa content
The one on lore and 2.0 map being greek/roman inspired
Taking clickbait to a whole other level.(The site that is)
You lawiiiied to me.
grumps fan??
Agree with Saintontas sensei
I'm kinda torn, he's missing a comparison of day 1 vs 15, why? maby it would weaken his argument, someone needs to run the numbers because that 1.75 multiplier might be good enough for a general estimate and his words should've been formed differently, why? because yes reports are misleading in it's presentation but still provide a good enough estimate so we shouldn't abandon it, rather push for more accurate data collection
@@alikos4528 That guy needs to be exposed so he can be landed with a massive lawsuit from Sensor Tower lol. Imagine the company is used by other giants in every professional fields to be called fake. The 1.75x multiplier only applies to CHINESE GOOGLE revenue, because China does NOT have Google, as Google is banned in China. However, Global Google revenue is still being reported by Sensor Tower, but this crook Saintontas chose to mislead his viewers into believing his lies. I really hope Sensor Tower catches his BS and sue him for defamation.
@@alikos4528you really can't get accurate data from the Sensor Tower when they themselves are using questionable methods to estimate revenues in all regions....
Bro why when wuwa got released everyone now starting to make video "gacha revenue is fake", I though wuwa player doenst care about revenue, bcs they said it doesnt affect player at all 😂
We are here to inform you all and point you in the right direction.
You know like a Warning sign, don't believe in those numbers.
A lot of people didn't even question this chart before or didn't even know if you read the comments.
consider it a service to the community.
Bros' amount of copium rabbit hole is insane 💀
At this point WuWa fans will eat anything to prove to themselves that Genshin is inferior to their game🤣
Me when presented with a rtd unable to take in the facts literally in the faqs of the website itself:
Genshit is inferior. Cope clown
The whole issue is that mihoyo said that Genshin made 5 billions only in china for mobile. Sensor Tower is nowhere near close to that. In a gamelook interview, some kuro shareholders said that in the first 5 months, WuWa made 400 to 420 millions of dollars. This as nothing to do with "Genshin vs WuWa". Is just that that site is shit and unreliable.
I mean, it is. 😶
Man for how much these gacha games invest into their games and how much it costs them to run them, they are all chilling, we dont need these low effort games all making 50m monthly
WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE AGENDAS, minus revenue = EOS
There is no data!
Lets just make it up 🤓
We don’t take time to verify, they won’t either haha 😂
"Genshin killer"
"males don't sell well, wait for Yinlin"
"the sales were bugged, wait for Changli"
"$30m is actually good for Kuro, so what if our two most hyped banners can't beat Genshin/HSR in dead patches?"
"ZheZhi isn't hype and this was a dead patch, game is fine"
"Shorekeeper sales will blow up trust me its hype."
"I think it's OK as long as we survive, right"
"at least dEvs LiSTeNed even though WuWa has the worst story out of any mainstream gacha, the worst music, the worst writing, and the worst voice acting"
"I'm glad WuWa is as niche as PGR, just shows that Kuro only cares for their players and not profits"
"Camellya will save WuWa"
Gensht in a nut shell
Thousands of lines of dialogue where maybe a third are actually saying something and the rest is just repeating 3 to 4 times the exact same information that was already delivered with the fucking mascot character repeating it another 5 times for good measure, because the developers have absolutely no hope in their audience so they basically treat them as if they were watching Dora the Explorer
That's without even taking into consideration the key aspects of the story that are missable because they were shown in a limited event, a problem that would be as easy to fix as simply letting you see the cutscenes of the event so you can understand the context for the story without making you play through the event itself
It is essentially a numbers game, as long as your character numbers are higher than the ones from the enemy the gameplay is essentially mindless button mashing, with the exception of maybe the highest level dungeons, but even at that it is not deep at all (as complex as Pokemon strategies of "water pokemon beats fire pokemon" and such) it is just flashy colors and effects with no mechanical depth whatsoever, absolutely nothing compared to the technical depth offered by games like Devil May Cry or even simpler systems like Sekiro, which just confuses me as to why the combat is one of the most praised aspects of the game
The actual biggest issue I see with Genshin Impact as a game is its open world, all of the other problems could be more tolerable if it wasn't for this aspect in particular, and the why is very simple, Genshin world suffers from a "quantity>quality" philosophy, it is as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle, sure it is really really big, and some areas look nice, but there is nothing of substance to be had, it is not uncommon to see one of the biggest praises regarding the game being "I can't believe they let us have all this content for free!" and I ask, what content? side quest number 857 that's just speak to NPC that tells you nothing but go to point A kill a bunch of stuff collect your materials and fuck off? there's plenty of these quests, which go back to what I said before, a lot of numbers a lot of "content" but with no substance whatsoever
Thanks for boosting the video in the algorithm btw. It having more views than this months revenue video brings me joy.