Tri-regulation was done in JP. It looks like they wanted to try it out in the West. I think the big reason tri-reg was so polarizing here in the west is because it took the place of the BSF tourneys that we’re used to. It’s not that people have a problem with tri-reg, it’s that people have a problem with losing Premium and V BSF. I enjoyed preparing for Tri-reg personally. I didn’t feel like it was 3 people on their own. I liked the theory behind team structure that we came up with. For example: we knew the person we chose V-Premium was likely going to be someone very experienced with the format. None of us had that kind of experience, so our friend chose to play Astral Poets. Astral Poets can compensate for a skill difference by getting a little lucky. Another example, I personally felt like Bastion was a more consistent deck than Youthberk and had a wider matchup spread (better into random decks in other words, which are really common at regional tourneys). However, with Tri-Reg, I figured there would be a higher chance that people bring a meta deck since there’s only 1 Standard deck to choose from instead of 3. I thought Youthberk had a better matchup into the meta decks, so I chose Bastion for Standard BSF and Youthberk for Tri-Reg. Reason I explain all of this is because I didn’t at all think there was no point to doing tri-reg as a team format. It being a team format with all 3 formats led to some interesting theory with our deck choices.
Oh wow thank you for sharing your feedback! I was not aware that they did this in Japan. Perhaps it was just a coincidence on timing with Shadowverse then. That's actually a pretty cool perspective to view for tournament preparation. Yeah teams have that 3 deck team form concept, but with Tri it can eliminate that since each a different format. Thanks again for your detailed response.
What I would like is for Bushiroad to bring events like Bushiroad Expo over to the West over, though as of this post, Bushiroad Expo will be at Anime Expo in July. Regardless, having even a small Bushiroad-focused convention would do wonders in my opinion. My friends and I would love it if they bring Chara Expo back since it had a lot of fun side events along with tournaments for all their card games.
Coming from yugioh, where power levels are ridiculous and the events take the whole day. I've been loving VG regionals. They are fun, and entry is free, and rounds are shorter. If anything, I guess making the side events a bit more exciting/involved would be cool. More packs and prizes if anything.
Awesome great feedback! Glad you've been loving Vanguard. A good portion of players came from Yu-Gi-Oh, including myself. Yep better prizing is always appreciated!
I think the biggest issue with Tri-Regulation is that Bushiroad has spent 3 years with individual format sturctures. This means friendship groups, especially for teams have been self organising with choosing 2/3 formats to play due to BSF & BCS structure. It's also worth keeping in mind that for these 3 years the player's location forced players into specific formats. Personally at the beginning of OD, I wanted to be a D & V player but as I was in the UK we always had D & V on the same day. So I had to choose 1 to drop as UK's BSF and BCS forced me into being a premium payer. Had we had Tri-Regulation from the beginning of D, teams would have been better suited for this. Groups would have more people who were able to play all formats. Players could've fostered their own favourite formats with no location based issues (at least for teams). IMO Tri-Regulation fails (in terms of the playerbase opinions) in the west largely because it's missed it's optimal release date which was back in 2021 when D came out and we should just stick with the old system. If Bushiroad really needed 2 VG formats to accomodate Shadowverse, sunsetting V makes a lot more sense than Tri-Regulation given how Bushiroad has encouraged friendship groups to play. BCS will be interesting IMO as Tri-Regulation doesn't work in singles so either 1 format will have to give or BCS will have 3 VG formats with Weiss and Shadowverse anyway.
Thank you for your detailed response! Yeah I saw recently that Tri has been implemented before. Perhaps it is timing and coincidence that it's having mixed feelings. Kind of interesting to see that it forced players like yourself into another format. And then 3 years later seeing more regions go through a similar transition. Thanks again for your feedback!
The reasoning behind no entry fee is because of Bushiroad's philosophy from what I have heard. I don't remember where the clip is but I know that Bushi's philosophy is holding them back from monetizing the event despite how sizable the community is. It is why both Weiss Schwarz (WS) and Vanguard (CFV) are identical in prize structure. Whether you disagree or agree with the philosophy is up for you to interpret, but I am not here to argue in favor of or against this; I just want to let you know what is going on with the scene. Because Cygames is technically the IP holder (Bushi is just an official licensed company to use the IP, similar to how WS works), their philosophy may or may not line up with the rest of Bushi's events. This also explains the prizing structure from Shadowverse Evolve (SVE) as this philosophical approach is not from the ground-up in terms of how Bushi operates. In addition, SVE technically had a soft-open with its own circuit, which could partially help explain the prizing difference too. As for the prizing structure within Bushiroad SpringFest (BSF), since this has been a holdover between the independent circuit and the BSF, I'd be inclined to say that this was in part from CyGames to push for more prizing from the ground up rather than Bushi itself. Because of this, both WS and CFV are indeed at the short end of the stick when it comes to prizing. Similarly, there has been no big push from the CFV side of things to be cross collab with WS (Both games were fundamentally started at pretty much the same time in English), but the crossover for SVE is indeed because the IP holders gave each other permission to use the collaboration as a tool to get the players to move into the other game. Side note: Speaking of the crossover, because the games WS and CFV are strictly for different audiences, I am more surprised that CFV did not get a collab WS set release back in the day. I probably would have played a WS deck with CFV as the featured series (I played Fate/Zero and UBW back then).
Wow, this is the most amazingly detailed and concise I've ever gotten on my channel entirely! Thank you for taking the time to write this up and organizing your thoughts. I actually wasn't aware of CyGames at all. From what you mentioned, that would literally make more sense! There's only so much where philosophies can propagate through layers of business partnerships/etc. I hope all last they may reconsider a more consistent and similar prize structure to SVE. I think that in itself would be a great step on the right direction overall. I mentioned an entry fee with Konami's 5 pack concept to help Bushiroad still push more product out and potentially having some margin gain to help with the prizing. Although we can only speculate and I'm sure they've been considering many more options. Thanks again for your response!
V would probably be my favorite format but they just refuse to support it or update the restriction list. Who wants to play against Gurguit all day. Honestly feel bad for anyone drawing that short straw on their team. BSF was always more fun that BCS because you knew you weren't going to have to play against the same deck all day. There's no incentive now to play your rogue deck when you can play the tier 0 deck in every format.
Yeah definitely understand your sentiment when it's more costly to go to an event that's far away from you. In the meantime, perhaps you can check BushiNavi and see if there are any locals or shop challenges near you.
I remember way back when we used to have arg plus bushiroad events. I normally drive over hour to play at locals. I want more format events but never enough time.
@@CommanderJaime will there be a possibility for you to grace us with your presence at one of our King Slayer Cards tournaments here in the East Coast? I will personally pay for your entry if you are ever able to. Richard and all of us would be very thrilled to have you honestly.
@@BATTOUSAI911 I appreciate the kind words and gesture! I've actually been considering flying out to a KSC event myself. Plus it would be a great opportunity to meet most of y'all! I've met a few in-person like Crow and Andrew. Are you on FB, Twitter, or Discord? I'd love to chat more about it for upcoming dates this year.
NY and CA regionals at least need a top 16 or top 32. You literally have 8-9 rounds of Swiss before the cut... meaning you could go x-1 you and are not guaranteed a top 8 slot. And I know that some people are going to say "skill issue" or "its easier to just do top 8" yeah sure, drive or damage check your OT, you win. Deeeeefinitely Skill issue. Alternatively they could have two separate blocks for these larger Regional events. Will Bushi do anything? I highly doubt it. Though there could be some unintended consequences. For example, those with money could just fly to one of the lesser populated areas and play there for a better shot at Top 8.
Yeah 8-9 Swiss rounds can be a full day overall. We get around 8 in the Midwest lately. We also had ones where we do 10 rounds of Swiss, but that was broken up into two days. I think they did have blocks for NY before.
They should just remove Weiss tbh. It's already proven to have a smaller player base either way. No point in continuing to support the game when its just a cash grab for collectors
@@tythesoupguy3702OT tends to steal a lot of games. The person who hits it ends raking up significant advantage compared to the one who doesn't. It just feels bad. On defensive, it just shuts down the turn players turn. OT is a funny gimmick every now and then, but it honestly just feels bad when you do everything correctly, just for a massive sack card spitting on your effort. Hell, I lost a round last night just because my buddy hit Eldobreath and put me from 2 to 6. The other times i hit it, i mostl feel bad for the other person and the win doesnt feel earned.
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Tri-regulation was done in JP. It looks like they wanted to try it out in the West.
I think the big reason tri-reg was so polarizing here in the west is because it took the place of the BSF tourneys that we’re used to. It’s not that people have a problem with tri-reg, it’s that people have a problem with losing Premium and V BSF.
I enjoyed preparing for Tri-reg personally. I didn’t feel like it was 3 people on their own. I liked the theory behind team structure that we came up with.
For example: we knew the person we chose V-Premium was likely going to be someone very experienced with the format. None of us had that kind of experience, so our friend chose to play Astral Poets. Astral Poets can compensate for a skill difference by getting a little lucky.
Another example, I personally felt like Bastion was a more consistent deck than Youthberk and had a wider matchup spread (better into random decks in other words, which are really common at regional tourneys). However, with Tri-Reg, I figured there would be a higher chance that people bring a meta deck since there’s only 1 Standard deck to choose from instead of 3. I thought Youthberk had a better matchup into the meta decks, so I chose Bastion for Standard BSF and Youthberk for Tri-Reg.
Reason I explain all of this is because I didn’t at all think there was no point to doing tri-reg as a team format. It being a team format with all 3 formats led to some interesting theory with our deck choices.
Oh wow thank you for sharing your feedback! I was not aware that they did this in Japan. Perhaps it was just a coincidence on timing with Shadowverse then.
That's actually a pretty cool perspective to view for tournament preparation. Yeah teams have that 3 deck team form concept, but with Tri it can eliminate that since each a different format. Thanks again for your detailed response.
What I would like is for Bushiroad to bring events like Bushiroad Expo over to the West over, though as of this post, Bushiroad Expo will be at Anime Expo in July. Regardless, having even a small Bushiroad-focused convention would do wonders in my opinion. My friends and I would love it if they bring Chara Expo back since it had a lot of fun side events along with tournaments for all their card games.
Yeah that would be awesome! I heard of the Chara Expo years back! It sounded like a blast overall!
@@CommanderJaime I went to both times they were held. They were an overall blast!
Coming from yugioh, where power levels are ridiculous and the events take the whole day. I've been loving VG regionals. They are fun, and entry is free, and rounds are shorter.
If anything, I guess making the side events a bit more exciting/involved would be cool. More packs and prizes if anything.
Awesome great feedback! Glad you've been loving Vanguard. A good portion of players came from Yu-Gi-Oh, including myself.
Yep better prizing is always appreciated!
I think the biggest issue with Tri-Regulation is that Bushiroad has spent 3 years with individual format sturctures. This means friendship groups, especially for teams have been self organising with choosing 2/3 formats to play due to BSF & BCS structure.
It's also worth keeping in mind that for these 3 years the player's location forced players into specific formats. Personally at the beginning of OD, I wanted to be a D & V player but as I was in the UK we always had D & V on the same day. So I had to choose 1 to drop as UK's BSF and BCS forced me into being a premium payer.
Had we had Tri-Regulation from the beginning of D, teams would have been better suited for this. Groups would have more people who were able to play all formats. Players could've fostered their own favourite formats with no location based issues (at least for teams).
IMO Tri-Regulation fails (in terms of the playerbase opinions) in the west largely because it's missed it's optimal release date which was back in 2021 when D came out and we should just stick with the old system. If Bushiroad really needed 2 VG formats to accomodate Shadowverse, sunsetting V makes a lot more sense than Tri-Regulation given how Bushiroad has encouraged friendship groups to play.
BCS will be interesting IMO as Tri-Regulation doesn't work in singles so either 1 format will have to give or BCS will have 3 VG formats with Weiss and Shadowverse anyway.
Thank you for your detailed response! Yeah I saw recently that Tri has been implemented before. Perhaps it is timing and coincidence that it's having mixed feelings.
Kind of interesting to see that it forced players like yourself into another format. And then 3 years later seeing more regions go through a similar transition.
Thanks again for your feedback!
The reasoning behind no entry fee is because of Bushiroad's philosophy from what I have heard. I don't remember where the clip is but I know that Bushi's philosophy is holding them back from monetizing the event despite how sizable the community is. It is why both Weiss Schwarz (WS) and Vanguard (CFV) are identical in prize structure. Whether you disagree or agree with the philosophy is up for you to interpret, but I am not here to argue in favor of or against this; I just want to let you know what is going on with the scene.
Because Cygames is technically the IP holder (Bushi is just an official licensed company to use the IP, similar to how WS works), their philosophy may or may not line up with the rest of Bushi's events. This also explains the prizing structure from Shadowverse Evolve (SVE) as this philosophical approach is not from the ground-up in terms of how Bushi operates. In addition, SVE technically had a soft-open with its own circuit, which could partially help explain the prizing difference too. As for the prizing structure within Bushiroad SpringFest (BSF), since this has been a holdover between the independent circuit and the BSF, I'd be inclined to say that this was in part from CyGames to push for more prizing from the ground up rather than Bushi itself. Because of this, both WS and CFV are indeed at the short end of the stick when it comes to prizing. Similarly, there has been no big push from the CFV side of things to be cross collab with WS (Both games were fundamentally started at pretty much the same time in English), but the crossover for SVE is indeed because the IP holders gave each other permission to use the collaboration as a tool to get the players to move into the other game.
Side note: Speaking of the crossover, because the games WS and CFV are strictly for different audiences, I am more surprised that CFV did not get a collab WS set release back in the day. I probably would have played a WS deck with CFV as the featured series (I played Fate/Zero and UBW back then).
Wow, this is the most amazingly detailed and concise I've ever gotten on my channel entirely! Thank you for taking the time to write this up and organizing your thoughts.
I actually wasn't aware of CyGames at all. From what you mentioned, that would literally make more sense! There's only so much where philosophies can propagate through layers of business partnerships/etc.
I hope all last they may reconsider a more consistent and similar prize structure to SVE. I think that in itself would be a great step on the right direction overall. I mentioned an entry fee with Konami's 5 pack concept to help Bushiroad still push more product out and potentially having some margin gain to help with the prizing.
Although we can only speculate and I'm sure they've been considering many more options. Thanks again for your response!
Watching this on the way to BCS Toronto
Good luck amigo!
V would probably be my favorite format but they just refuse to support it or update the restriction list. Who wants to play against Gurguit all day. Honestly feel bad for anyone drawing that short straw on their team. BSF was always more fun that BCS because you knew you weren't going to have to play against the same deck all day. There's no incentive now to play your rogue deck when you can play the tier 0 deck in every format.
Yeah regular updates would help! Fortunately last season things changed as V promos came out.
Man i wish i could go to regionals, wish it wasn't in the other end of the country
Yeah definitely understand your sentiment when it's more costly to go to an event that's far away from you. In the meantime, perhaps you can check BushiNavi and see if there are any locals or shop challenges near you.
@@CommanderJaime no luck it seems, everything is in the west for the UK where premium is concerned
@@zeff3016 gotcha, sorry to hear. Hopefully things improve for your local area.
I remember way back when we used to have arg plus bushiroad events. I normally drive over hour to play at locals. I want more format events but never enough time.
Those were fun days too! I remember driving around the Midwest and East coast for them! Great times!
God I miss the ARG days
@@Kingroxas-uv7kt same!
@@CommanderJaime will there be a possibility for you to grace us with your presence at one of our King Slayer Cards tournaments here in the East Coast? I will personally pay for your entry if you are ever able to. Richard and all of us would be very thrilled to have you honestly.
@@BATTOUSAI911 I appreciate the kind words and gesture! I've actually been considering flying out to a KSC event myself. Plus it would be a great opportunity to meet most of y'all! I've met a few in-person like Crow and Andrew. Are you on FB, Twitter, or Discord?
I'd love to chat more about it for upcoming dates this year.
NY and CA regionals at least need a top 16 or top 32.
You literally have 8-9 rounds of Swiss before the cut... meaning you could go x-1 you and are not guaranteed a top 8 slot.
And I know that some people are going to say "skill issue" or "its easier to just do top 8" yeah sure, drive or damage check your OT, you win. Deeeeefinitely Skill issue.
Alternatively they could have two separate blocks for these larger Regional events.
Will Bushi do anything? I highly doubt it. Though there could be some unintended consequences.
For example, those with money could just fly to one of the lesser populated areas and play there for a better shot at Top 8.
Yeah 8-9 Swiss rounds can be a full day overall. We get around 8 in the Midwest lately. We also had ones where we do 10 rounds of Swiss, but that was broken up into two days.
I think they did have blocks for NY before.
@@CommanderJaime They had an A and B block back in Newark NJ back in 2017. That was the only split to my knowledge.
Regionals are worth to meet new people and face more players like how i met you and to test myself
Amen brother 💪
I got 3rd at regionals 7 yrs ago I remember just getting a piece of paper lmaoo
Was that it? Anything else in addition?
They should just remove Weiss tbh. It's already proven to have a smaller player base either way. No point in continuing to support the game when its just a cash grab for collectors
Regionals are absolutely worth it
Gotta fly or drive almost 10 hours for my closest regional, just not worth it for me personally
@@TheKitsuneBlue I have to do 10 hours of more as well i still think it's worth it
I zont think it's really worth it or just eh you know
The drive to get to regionals is just zzz...zzz...zzz...zzz...zzz...zzz...
Get rid of the OT and tri-regulation and they'll be worth it again.
Honestly I don’t understand the hate on the OT
@@tythesoupguy3702OT tends to steal a lot of games. The person who hits it ends raking up significant advantage compared to the one who doesn't. It just feels bad. On defensive, it just shuts down the turn players turn.
OT is a funny gimmick every now and then, but it honestly just feels bad when you do everything correctly, just for a massive sack card spitting on your effort. Hell, I lost a round last night just because my buddy hit Eldobreath and put me from 2 to 6. The other times i hit it, i mostl feel bad for the other person and the win doesnt feel earned.
@@MH_Zard Thanks for saving me from typing all this out for the 9000th time.
@@MH_Zardeld is big cringe in dp
@@MH_Zard I totally understand that but honestly in my experience the OT is checked so rarely that when it does it really never bothers me .