Persona 3 Portable - Secret Boss Elizabeth (No Commentary)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2020
- Since I really like Persona 3 and my plans to LP it kinda fell through, I figured I might as well shows one of my favorite fights from the game. If people like it I might do another video where I explain how to prepare for it and do a live commentary of the fight.
Elizabeth can be fought on a New Game + file on the 10th floor of the optional Tartarus block Monad. Having Orpheus Telos is pretty much a must. You can fuse him if you have the Colorless Mask which is received from Igor after completing all social links. You want his stats to be maxed out as well. Part of that for me comes from the fact that I have my ultimate weapon equipped which boosts all stats by 10 although you could also boost his stats up to max without it. You should also be level 99 so your HP and SP are both at 999.
To get Orpheus Telos an easy way to go about it is to fuse Odin + Scathach + Nidhogger. You want Odin's Thunder Reign skill to be passed down. It will be your primary source of damage. This is the only skill you need to pass down. The other skills can be gotten from skills cards obtained from the following Personas:
Sharp Student (Zouchouten)
Will reduce the chances of Elizabeth getting critical hits on us.
Mind Charge (Atropos)
Makes Thunder Reign do 2x damage after charging. (Some sources claim 2.5 like it is in most other MegaTen games but in Persona 3 it should only be 2x)
Salvation (Vishnu)
Used to fully heal as well as remove the poison status that Nebiros can inflict.
High Counter (Siegfried)
Used to counter Elizabeth's physical attacks at a 50% chance.
Elec Amp (Odin)
Elec Boost (Take-mikazuchi)
Used to boost the damage of Thunder Reign.
Unshaken Will (Asura)
Nullifies all status ailments except for poison.
To get these skill cards the skill Growth 3 is recommended and can be obtained as a skill card from Jatayu.
As far as equipment goes, any weapon will do. If you do want the ultimate weapon you can fuse either Lucifer for the male MC or Kartikeya for the female MC with any nihil item dropped from gold shadows. The Armor of Light can be gotten from Messiah as a heart item at a random chance. It's not required but it does have the best defense in the game and also reduces magic damage. Lastly you absolutely want the Divine Pillar as it reduces all damage taken by half. It can be obtained as a heart item from Alilat.
You also need a few items, most importantly a bunch of Infinity and one Armageddon. Infinity x 10 can be gotten from the Fortune & Strength door in Vision Quest, as can Armageddon from the Hanged Man door. Do note though that you need to let the Hanged Man prime a Maya and cause an explosion, otherwise you will get a Victory Cry skill card instead. You also want a few Homunculus to protect against instant death.
I also use a Persona that applies all buffs at the start of the fight. You don't need this but every little bit helps.
Now as for the fight itself... Elizabeth cycles through different Personas in a set order. With the exception of Masakado she will attack twice and use either that Persona's skills or a physical attack.
Surt - Fire
Jack Frost - Ice
Thor - Electricity
Cu Chulainn - Wind
Metatron - Light
Alice - Dark
Nebiros - Status ailments
Masakado - Megidolaon
After she has used a Persona its elemental affinities apply. Note that even if you don't see a Persona because she physically attacks twice she has switched to it anyway.
Surt, Jack Frost and Cu Chulainn are all susceptible to Thunder Reign and you usually want to Mind Charge before using it. Thor and Metatron can be hit with physical attacks though you should only do it if you don't need to heal or use Mind Charge that turn. Alice and Masakado are pretty much immune to all damage. Nebiros won't pose a problem since Unshaken Will makes us immune to pretty much anything it can do. However, after she uses Nebiros you MUST use Infinity as Masakado will use Megidolaon. Elizabeth's Megidolaon is special in that it always does 9999 damage which will instantly kill you. After Masakado she cycles back to Surt.
A few rules of engagement:
1. You can NEVER block the element Elizabeth is about to use. Doing so will cause her 9999 damage Megidolaon instead. Orpheus Telos comes in handy here as it is strong against everything but doesn't block anything.
2. Elizabeth has 20000 HP If you push her under 10000 HP she will fully heal.
3. If you push her under 4000-5000 HP she will spam Megidolaon every turn (this is why we need Armageddon).
4. After 10 cycles she will start spamming Megidolaon so this is the hard turn limit.
5. You can't spam Armageddon from the start. Doing so will cause her to spam Megidolaon.
The goal is to get her as close to 10000 HP as possible. After which she need to push herself under 10000 by getting countered. This counter needs to be the second attack because otherwise her second move will be healing herself anyway. When she gets below 10000 the fight can be ended by using Armageddon.
Hope you enjoyed this - เกม
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Elizabeth: Stop blocking my Megidolaon, please.
Minako: Well then, you should stop SPAMMING it.
Ermmm the Female Protagonists canon name is Kotone Shiomi actually
@@CertifiedAdachiLover
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Every protag name from other media is canon, so it only depends on your preference.
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@@Tidemkeit You said right 👍.
@@Tidemkeit pressed for what
Elizabeth: STOP BLOCKING MY ALMIGHTY ATTA---
Walter: I'LL END IT THUS
I'm not sure guys, but think that she has chosen.
How to access this fight?
@@TheblecquetzalAccept Request #55 and get to the top of Monad.
@@TheblecquetzalNG+ Right side of Tartarus you can see "Heaven's door" reach the top and she will be there but you need to accept her quest first which is to "defeat the ultimate opponent"
@@dorian6093you do not need ng+
@@suave605then how ?
Tip: If you almost got her below 10,000 HP defend yourself and wait for High Counter. Worked for me; then use Armageddon.
According to the description, you can get Orpheus Telos by fusing Odin, Scathach and Nidhoggr. But for some reason, that fusion is impossible to perform in my game. Thankfully, I also had Thor in my possession, and replacing Nidhoggr with him actually did result in Orpheus Telos, and from that point onward I was able to follow the description step by step all the way until I beat Elizabeth.
Just felt the need to comment this in case someone else decides to use the description as a guide and runs into the same issue.
Interesting. I've never run into that before. Thanks for the heads-up! I'll pin your comment.
triple fusions are wonky bc you not only need to have the right personas they also need to be at the appropriate levels. take your fusion for this: odin scathach thor. scathach needs to be the highest level persona in the fusion, odin in the middle, and thor at the lowest level. Maybe thats the reason: your personas were at the wrong levels
Have you max out all Social Links? Igor gives you the recipe to fuse Orpheus Telos once you do.
@@SonicTheCutehog Of course I maxed all social links. I did manage to fuse him with a different recipe afterall, and it wouldn't be possible otherwise. The comment right above yours explains what my problem was.
@@Desticler será que recuerdas a quien priorizar para subir los social link al 100%?
Estoy estancado
Thank you for this.
You may not have planned for this being a good guide for the PS4 port but you've helped me a lot
I've fought a lot of bosses across many different series, and I have to say, aside from fromsoft games, persona absolutely nails it in terms of absolutely terrible boss design. Not all of them, of course, but there's always that one. All I've learned is that the way to beat her is "do this, specifically, or you will fail".
My high counters refuse to work, that luck you had towards the end was very lucky indeed.
Thank you. You're helpful indeed.
I plan on following your strategy with the same personas in the PS4 port against Theo, so a video is super helpful :) I have to farm some homunculus, as they all got used up in the damn Reaper fight.
I find it weird that Orpheus telos doesn’t change with gender but normal Orpheus does. Must be an oversight
Im trying to not see further becauso I dont want heavy spoilers but its funny how the coment section its full of: How do you get that broken specific thing that counters the Elizabeth broken specific thing? is killing me
The only difficulty with this fight is actually making it playable
"i hAvE cHOsEn"
Luckily i got those 3 Skill Cards Sharp Student,Thunder Reign and Mind Charge.
How come Armageddon worked above 10,000 hp?
Omg this is the hardest boss
My friend told me that he wants to beat the elizabeth but i didn't know that could be Ultimate hard
By the way. I don't know why nobody comment on this video?
why did they make this so aggravating to do lol its not even challenging
Thanks for the video though im close to getting it!
You're lucky, my High Counter not even working, plus every 5 turns, she threw a tantrum by attacking with Megidolaon every single time I fought her, Welp, for me apparently is impossible, plus it looks like she had grudge on me
iirc the 5 turn megidolaon is scripted, you need to use a fusion spell (item in P3P) that makes you immune (several times) cuz in the megidolaon turn she uses them twice.
... Did you use Amagedon early?
@@SayuAriana I even barely attacking, every battle I started with buffs for that 1 turn, after 1 turn ends, she went insane and throwing every Megidolaon she had idk why, that time as I remember, I think that time I brought Cybele and Norn, Chi You... and spells I had nothing near Armageddon not even Megidolaon... that time my luck was pretty bad, and never got goodies from fusions.
@@VioletScene2014 how about you try without using buff
Make sure your persona doesnt have null/repel/absorb to Liz's next attack, its violated one of her "rules" thats why she MegidolaOwned you
@Heufneutje, Hello and I have a question on a certain skill that I want to use but first I want your opinion on it. Ok say i'm doing your method and I use all the same skills your using beside sharp student and say I decide to replace it with magic skill up. Now will I be doing more damage on her by doing so or am I pushing it to much because I don't want to drop her HP where she will be healing so is sharp student really needed or no?
Yes i'm playing this on the portable version.
I'd say so yeah. I've died a number of times to crits even with Sharp Student.
Ok good and that's why I don't use that skill much because it hardly works for me at times so I was curious if the skill up waa better instead since that thunder reign does alot of damage in the first place especially when you use mind charge so yeah i'll test it out and see how it goes before saving it to my compendium.
I appreciate you writing back in time. :)
@@FrostyMikeGamingisn't it impossible to get magic skill up. on Orpheus telos ?
I'm trying Elizabeth now....for...the 5th time and its a pain in the ass xP What Personas do you have in your team?
Just Orpheus Telos. That's all you really need.
Why can you fight Elisabeth even if you are playing FeMC
Because FeMC lets you choose the Velvet Room attendant at the start of the game
@@Heufneutje really? I am currently playing p3p but I couldn't chose
@@Bryan-ep4qjwhen igor introduces you to his assistant, at that moment they ask you if you want elizabeth or theo
@@sonicwarrior5630 ohhhh. I thought it was a question if I already now that the female route has a different assistant. But good to know
@@sonicwarrior5630 iirc they asked if you hear female or male voice right ? Female for Eliz and Male for Theo
Does it have to be thunder reign? I couldn't get mine, so I have niflheim on my telos, is that okay?
Pretty much any one of the tier 4 magic should work. You just need to get the different boost and amp skills for it and use it when she has a different Persona equipped. So in your case you would want to use Niflheim right after she uses Surt.
How many Personas does Liz have in her personal stock between both phases 1 and 2? She uses so many I lost count, lmao
8 if you do things right. She has one for every element and then one for ailments and one for Megidolaon. If she gets to heal she'll also use Pixie.
Being forced to rely on a chance based reflect is bad boss design
Yep, that’s persona series is dogshit when it comes to bosses. You don’t see this in mainline smt games.
I think it needs to be said that this is not the intended design to beat this fight. Not forced at all.
It's supposed to be beaten by halving their health once, let them heal, and then halve their health once again. And then using Armageddon. First heal is guaranteed to happen when reducing their health by half. And the next time they will heal will be under 30% (6,000 HP) after the first heal. More than enough buffer to be able to cast Armageddon. So it is reliable.
The strategy employed here is called "High Counter skip" for a reason. Very unreliable (20% repel rate on second hit) but it does make the fight faster.
@raphaelcoprada4637 In this game High Counter actually has a 50% chance. It wasn't changed to 20% until Persona 4. You can indeed just let the boss heal. Which is what I usually do if High Counter fails.
@@Heufneutje that is false. Been checked by many people already.
It is 10/15/20% for the entire counter line of skills in all versions of P3, like the later games. Apparently that old source was bogus in some cases.
Saw a guy test it out on FES and P3P and yeah, it was roughly leaning to 20% there.
Anyways more accurate sources have already started to show the correct values nowadays. Like megaten fusion tools, for example. Pretty much a decade old myth that's recently debunked.
Interesting. The Megaten wiki still has it listed as 50% which is generally my source for these kinds of things.
Ah hav chousin
Its still 10141 why you able to killed her with armaggedon when it only hits 9999 ? Thats weird
It's actually just a calculator I used on the side. It doesn't update in real time.
What happens is that If you push her below 10,000 she will heal herself (only the first time), but this guy was very lucky, because she got countered in her last turn, so she was below 10,000 and she couldn't heal herself because she already used her turn, if this person would have done any other thing, then Elizabeth would have healed herself the next turn, but at that point this person realized about it and just used armageddon
Yup. This is exactly why my Orpheus Telos has High Counter.
How did you got infinity x10 in door?
I always got pearl
I'm not sure actually. I couldn't find out what determines it. Supposedly it has something to do with not letting anyone in the party die and not getting any negative effects on the Fortune wheel. But even that doesn't always seem to work.
How do you block megidolaon
Infinity
Wait why you dont use armageddon at the bwgining
Because she'll immediately heal and then Megidolaon you for 9999 damage.
Why when she smacks you is she doing only 89 damage? I’m getting hit in the 200’s.
Endurance decreases damage taken
How to find The skils for Orpheus Telos
They're in the video description.
@@Heufneutje oh Thnks man ❤️❤️
Elizabeth, I know you're mad but I swear to God I didn't know I could date you with makoto
Why orpheus telos looks like MeMC
Because Orpheus Telos only has one form.
@@Heufneutje that's, dissapointing....
Well vid
P3f Persona Movement Animations: Great
P3P Persona Movement Animations: Crappy
aww look at him he cant say shitty 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sunugin-ang-kanyang-bahay Bruh I Dont Wanna Get Banned Or Demonitized
@@yourlocalgamer9851 you ain't gonna get banned nor demonitized
how do you get the goddess boots?
They come from rare chests on floor 227.
So many people like have you getting like 5 different personas all maxed out when you really just need telos
@@Heufneutje alright thx
So confused. Your numbers say she’s still in 10k when you used Armageddon? So when do I use it? This games platinum sucks just for this one stupid trophy. This trophy has made me hate this game.
How am I suppossed to win this? He always heals ABOVE 10,000, I've never seen boss design this shitty,
It's all in the description. You need High Counter. It is possible to do without High Counter since she only heals the first time she goes below 10000. It'll just take longer. I also have another video with commentary where I go into detail on preparing for the fight.
This fight provides 0 exp? Just lol
I mean it's not like you have any need for EXP at this point. If you're not already level 99 when you attempt this fight you've pretty much already lost because of how much damage she deals. She's hurting me a lot here even though I have Orpheus Telos who resists everything and I have the Divine Pillar equipped which further cuts the damage I take in half :P
P3P Beth is too easy due to skill cards, so you can, if you want, make an ultimate setup easily.
Now try the same in P3F, and I'll laugh at how miserably you will fail
I do agree that this fight is more interesting in FES. I don't have access to that version though, sadly.
still harder than margaret and lavenza
@@ryojifan about as hard I'd say, as you can prepare exactly as easy
Pointless grinding isn't fun
@@lukemorgan6166 that is if it is pointless. But it's not, it has a purpose, and the result only depends on how much you want to achieve it.
I tried gathering the ultimate setup a lot of times, but in the end went with slightly revised normal one and that was always enough.