Bears Keenan Allen trade & tons more with Josh Lucas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2024
- The Bears have added a legit WR again during an offseason, trading for Keenan Allen of the Chargers for a fourth. Hoge & Jahns give their takes before bringing in Josh Lucas to help us figure out what exactly Allen brings to Chicago, how this affects their draft plans, the other free agency additions and, oh yeah, Justin Fields.
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Poles firing this guy josh is his most underrated move tbh.
Josh Lucas cant let go of the guy he helped draft 😂
I love when Josh Lucas shows up. It's a fascinating insight into why the Bears have sucked for so long. All of his suggestions are just so same old Bears.
100%
He’s a must watch. Always provides behind scenes insight.
Josh Lucas’ insights are not reflective of Ryan Poles’ plan.
😂😂😂😂😂 I busted p laughing reading this
Seriously, an insider former executive says he is hearing a lot of scary "s&#t" about Caleb Williams, and nobody asks for what that info is? Even if you know he won't answer, you HAVE to ask!! Smh!
Lucas is drunk. Watch closely, literally the definition of Bears clown. Poles our only hope, literally.
Man cant believe we have Allen and DJ Moore...
I wish someone would talk about Newton from Illinois playing with a broken toe and still dominating is impressive
I hope you guys ask Lucas about that Everett/Shaheen eval
They passed on Kittle and you want to ask him why they passed on Everett
@@sheadurr937 in reference to Tuesdays show, huge and jahns were talking about that because we had just signed Everett
@@Droski_Rodriguez19 oh, ok
The whole time Josh was talking about the plan to start Dalton all i could hear was Jahn's soundbite.
This guy is apart of the team that drafted Trubisky. I'm good on his crappy takes. Ask him about that
He did awhile ago it’ll just make you mad how incompetent they were
@@JJ-zr6fudidn’t Josh not want to take Trub but Pace did?
He was also a part of drafting Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen and Roquan Smith.
And Jaylon Johnson if I’m not mistaken
@paulieprinceton4550 wow I’m five drafts they picked three legit players. Don’t forget whitehair he was a good bear.
Good lord. Who invited the wet blanket 😂
22:43 There is nothing for Justin Fields to teach anyone at Qb
Josh sounds drunk. The bears are not keeping justin if they draft caleb. this is why he's unemployed.
Bears will likely trade back in the draft now. They need the picks with about 8 positions not filled on the current roster and no more cap space. Keenan Allen can take the pressure off a new WR3 and WR4, both huge holes on the roster. Bear Down!
You have the cart before the horse. The Bears would NOT have even entertained the K. Allen trade if Poles didn’t already have at least one acceptable deal in place guaranteed to add draft capital. Washington has just acquired more draft capital with the trade of their starting QB … so they’re likely trading UP to get a rookie QB … and they can only go up ONE spot.
Hoge and Jahns now white knuckle holding-on to the 🤡 Media Narrative of drafting Caleb Williams and trading JF1 … somewhere? The way they’re going Hoge and Jahns will soon be pushing for the Bears to trade Fields to the UFL Houston Roughnecks 😂
@@darai62 Justin Fields is garbage. Stop hugging garbage so hard.
@@darai62yeah it is getting pretty wild how hard they are working it. it's like a $20 hooker trying to land a John roflmao.
They will unless Rome or Nabers are still there. Regardless of the Allen trade, if one of the two are still there, grab them.
all of josh lucas' points represent everything that was wrong with the previous regime... comparing adonai mitchell and tez walker to MHJ, thinking JC Latham is the best OL in this draft, etc. It just shows that he thinks he's smarter than everyone else... "the salary cap doesn't matter" gimme a break lol. every time i've heard this guy talk i've been waiting for him to have at least one take that fits the general consensus. he's just a contrarian with bad hair dye.
Good show you guys . I really appreciate Josh Lucas , he’s a good analyst. Great to hear a good scouts opinions.
Hoge and Jahns, every question... "But if it IS Caleb Williams..." This is going to be fun in a week or so.
Yeah, H & J are a members of the CDub lovestruck. It is going to be GREAT fun.
@@timzibob Jahns is in Halas daily.
@@timzibobthis aged poorly
Hasn't aged at all - yet. CW hasn't been drafted yet. Get back to me after the draft if you are among the lovestruck and demand your just due - LOL.@@IcePeaGaming
@@timzibob so you think they are drafting who?
Y'all cannot be serious...how does neither of you ask Josh how they had George Kittle graded? He has been by far the best TE in that class and definitely should've been drafted over Shaheen.
Baby gronk was just to good
No quarterback drafted number 1 sits, what is he talking about. If it’s later in the draft or even later in the 1st I understand. But number 1 overall… doesn’t happen buddy
Watching Caleb distributing the ball to Everett, Kmet, Moore, Allen, Swift, Petis and Scott is going to be so damn fun. Get ready to take over the NFC North!!!
I love these Josh Lucas episodes.
Personally I think it would be horrible for Caleb to sit behind Fields. Either way you are going to Caleb year 2. If Fields looks good you aren’t gonna want to trade him and if he’s ass he will have 0 value
Josh said hes heard things that would scare a GM, why didnt those guys press him on that more, was he talking about public or new shit?
Same guy that was scared off of mahomes.
Keenan Allen celebration episode
I don't want Justin sticking around and giving Caleb advice on how to be a below average NFL QB in this league
Yeah bears going need get rid of that trash can Bustin
13:00 Why yall bring this guy on? He’s clueless.
This dude needs to stops hitting Booze so hard 😂
Lmao, he sounds drunk off his ass. Slurring his words, and outrageous takes on what the bears should do.
Episode was immediately turned off when he said the best option is keeping Fields and letting Caleb sit. Obvious why Lucas has been out of the league for years now lol
Dude, look at his last few drafts! Those are some of the best guys on the team.
😂
So you immediately turned off a different viewpoint without hearing him out? Ok then
No wonder why j Lucas is not with the team anymore
My same thought. His best contribution is to explain what the bears were thinking when they made mistakes.
He wants us to add a generational QB prospect so we can run the ball. In a passing league. With multiple receiving weapons, who I guess are blockers and decoys?
You mad that he said something negative about your boyfriend?😊😊
Right? You can hear how BADLY he wants to keep Fields, draft a defensive tackle and a combine king WR and run the ball. No wonder we were terrible with him.
@@BigDad1887 Exactly! 😅😅😅
You guys make the cutest faces when truth slaps you lol!
We’re all ripping on Josh for being drunk. But damn, Josh is a competent nice dude. Hope he’s ok, circle the wagons Josh, get healthy, we’ll all support this.
“Some stuff I’ve heard would scare the shit out of me”… Then Hoge proceeds to not ask one single follow-up to what he means by that. After an “epic rant” about people assassinating Caleb’s character, wouldn’t you think Hoge might want to at least follow up with “what types of things have you heard?”
Would’ve been nice to see him expand on that, even without specifics. Everyone keeps focusing on the bad-faith arguments, while ignoring a few actual criticisms or concerns. It’s almost like they just don’t want to entertain the idea that his ego could be a problem.
Why is it you guys are speaking as if Caleb is on the bears?
Exactly 🐻⬇️
I agree with Lucas on the QB solution. Remember even Mahomes and Brady sat when drafted…
spoken like a guy who was part of drafting Trubisky
21:15 So Kenny Pickett gets traded and Justin Fields doesn’t have a market?😂
Hopefully Pitt now
18:14 So they have DJ Moore and K Allen and they’re going to run the ball more? Also Swift is a pass catching running back. Clueless.
Hoges background lookin like he played actual football lol
It’s the Joe Montana Steve Young approach. Young wasn’t a rookie but it worked great.
Cole and Dj had career years from Justin Fields
1 is great at hitting his first read. That's why Getsy had hella screens. He is poor at reads 2, 3, & 4. Super Bowl winners get to reads 2,3,4.
this guy josh lucas is funny
The scouts that are telling him this are the ones that fear the greatness he might be come or how polarizing he can be for the NFl.
I really enjoy Josh Lucas on the Pod. That said, there must have really been a lot of things that scared the shit out of him about Patrick Mahomes…..
22:22 Justin Fields and Caleb Williams will not be on the same team. Unbelievable.
And that is why so many R1 QBs fail. They need to be given time to develop before facing an NFL pass rush. Despite ALLLL the examples that show it works, yall keep insisting guys should start day 1, simply because they got picked high.
Mr. Monotone over here
ITS HILARIOUS YOU PEOPLE ARE OBSESSED WITH CALEB WILLIAMS AND ALL THE TEA LEAVES ALL DAY JUSTIN FIELDS STAYING
Oh?
"Things ive heard about Caleb (character-wise) scare the shit out of me. I dont know if they are true though. Never met the guy."
And then:
"Adonai Mitchell is a WR i love. He's nearly as great as Marv Jr. I guess hes got some character issues though but no worries i still love him."
What do we think about Lucas's comments about Caleb Williams ("There's some things I've heard that would scare the shit outta me")? It would have been nice to get some sort of explanation, but the dude doesn't want to get sued for slander. But it was alarming for him to throw that out there.
Imagine if they kept Justin _AND_ drafted Caleb to study behind him for a year. The Bears would almost certainly be forced to do _NFL Hard Knocks._ Imagine the drama 😬
Well it’s a good thing Hoge and Jahns love having Josh on the show, because nobody else likes it.
Lol, I wonder what Hoge was thinking when Joch said to keep both and play JF1.
The more I listen to Josh and Greg Gabriel, the more I understand why this team has never had a good QB or offense. Can we please stop bringing Josh on?
i agree... they both stink... gabriel actually said aaron donald would bust because he had "short arms" not making this up.... then blocked me lmao
Only time he should be on is to explain his screw ups
Friday Hoge and Jahns with Josh Lucas.... yea todays a good day
I disagree with Josh’s idea that Caleb may be an issue if he has to sit. You must have forgotten he chose to go to Oklahoma and was willing to walk on and sit behind the then Heisman favorite.
We are not addressing the elephant in the room why isn't Josh Lucas not on team scouting? Got me wondering why not.
Damn why everyone hating on this dude lmao
Is there an example you can provide in regards to drafting Caleb and having a competition with Fields?
Caleb at 1.
Package next years 2ns rounder and move UP for Odunze.
Center/Gaurd rd3
Center/Gaurd rd4
...
We have no glaring holes for the first time in my life.
The Bears have 4 picks now. These moves scream trade back from 1 . Williams is already a circus side show and the ownership doesn’t have the stomach for it. I expect they will keep Fields and run it back with more weapons.
If Josh’s thoughts do not highlight the importance of getting Marvin Harrison Jr., I don’t know what to tell you.
what's up with the Keenan Allen Taliban beard?
I hate draft guys saying this guy is a can’t miss superstar in regards to Murphy then goes into to tell all the drawback he has and why he won’t be a superstar.
He played in the big 12 they don’t produce OL or dl look at tyree Wilson from last draft
Really annoys me that Josh is telling you guys that it’s best for any rookie to sit behind JF1 (and we know Poles was part of that happening for Mahomes), so if that’s Poles’ plan, then the league has NOT told Fields what he’s worth, bc Poles was never letting him go. We also know Poles hasn’t vetted Caleb yet. So Fields was never getting traded. Yet you guys allowed the dude to get crucified and told everyone he’s unwanted. Your assumptions coming into free agency were WRONG, and that’s on YOU (and the rest of the media), and not a reflection of JF1’s value
Great Episode!! Don't think Caleb will pass Poles evaluation for what he's building in Chicago, Does not mean Caleb can't be a star which I think he can. They should just trade the Pick for a haul and then draft a QB late to develop well Justin plays out the next few years for a playoff run.
I wonder who made and pushed that decision to purchase that empty lot in Arlington Heights without proper research of "what ifs". Oh that's right, Ted and George duh! CW is the consensus #1 overall that goes to the Bears, only one major red flag I'm worried about which is he and his team seems to be prima-donna. CW and his team is already being "difficult" to deal with and he has not taken an NFL snap yet. Tell me he does NOT want to go to Chicago without telling me kinda vibes.
I'm so grateful to all the useful idiots artificially inflating the value of that #1 overall pick. Thank you for your service.
Fields has no one to blame but himself. Fumbling, not seeing open receivers, not being able to read a defense. You get what you deserve
Love this program thanks guys! Hoges should get out of chgo sports toxic carm enviroment its much better and more down to earth and fan based narratives here with you two imo.. I never see you having fun over there,,
The more I hear Josh the more I understand why he doesn’t have a nfl job.
L take. Dude drafted a bunch of studs, and definitely has more knowledge of prospects than anyone in the comments.
@Y2K2PointO the hit rate of the bears picks under him and pace was below average. Also he drafted two bust at qb.
I’m sure u could do better
Proven you should keep rookies on the bench? Did Lucas watch last year where CJ Stroud went to the 2nd round of the playoffs? This guy is clueless.
Definitely Caleb. Caleb said at the combine the only thing he wants to know is if the bears want to win... That's what this trade says to me. They are trying to win now
Imagine this Batman… If Ryan Poles is thinking Keenan factors into being just a 2-3yr rental…
He could easily trade away this years 1st overall pick and slide down to 2 or 3, then take "Maserati" Marv Jr. with that pick to fill the gap for Keenan future departure. But then you're stuck with that 2025 contract extension for JF1
DJ Moore, Keenan Allen & Maserati Marv... Such a scary good scenario, right?.. hahaha
No follow up on "I've heard things about Caleb Williams that fucking scare me"?
Well, it looks like the Eagles offered at least a 3rd for Justine. Because they were in talks with the Bears, and Bears said no to whatever offer was made. Cause there is no way, you give a 3rd and 2 7’s for Pickett, and don’t offer more for Justine. I’m for drafting Caleb, but there is no chance, and I mean none that Pickett is better than Justine, he had more weapons, an easier system, and was not even close to Justine in terms of o field performance.
That means Poles probably has had better offers. May even have an offer on the table. He may just be waiting to the medicals on Caleb are don’t before he pulls the trigger. My guess is the Raiders, that leak that came out may not have been fake but early. Raiders fans are furious about Gardner. But Gardner may just be a contingency plan. Raiders probably don’t have a shot at a QB, and Gardner did not get a starters contract, he got a 2 year Backup contracts, 15 million guaranteed for 2 years. That’s nothing for a QB. But that’s pretty normal for a back up.
Raiders want to build a power run game, that’s the core of what they want. Gardner is slow as shit, not athletic at all, but Justine is, Justine is the best running QB in the nfl. I think Poles got something in his back pocket.
WAIT THE BEARS WERE A GREAT RUNNING TEAM BECAUSE OF FIELDS TAKE HIS YARDS AND AVERAGE OF THE FREAKING STATS.
HARD NO on "first defender on your board"
The top 3 WR are RARE.
we can trade down for more "guys" and "still" get a guy at reciever...
2 JAG
I thought he said the same thing about Murphy. LOL
Pace and Lucas passed on Mahomes for Trubisky. Nuff said.
Conway and Graham
Josh Lucas, once again, proving why the Bears have a laughingstock for a decade. Hoge and Jahns right there with him on the laughingstock scale…. What a couple of clowns. Someone get Josh a bloody mary, he struggling.
Jim Miller also believes Williams should sit for a year.
why can't they see that if we trade the #1 pick for a bunch more picks since we're down to 4 picks this year and maybe draft MHJ. think about it MHJ, dj, kenaan, cole, everett, and swift doesnt that sound really good? why MHJ well kenaan will be 32 this season and even if we extend kenaan say 2 or 3 years his production will or may go down and MHJ will just go up and this way justin can just get better with people to throw to. just a thought
Clown said he loves a receiver because he's fast and tall but is horrible at running routes!WTF
Listen to the genius that picked Tribisky over Watson and Mahomes.
He’s going to have 40 catches playing with fields
How about trading down to Wash. and getting both #2s and next years #1? Draft Drake Maye at #2 and let Justin play out his contract?
Stroud is the first second pick qb to beat out the first pick qb in nfl history I’m pretty sure.
so the last pick in the draft can beat out the top pick, but the second pick can't?????@@JJ-zr6fu
Everyone laughed at Green Bay when they drafted a qb in the 1 st and wasted years letting him sit . Clearly it helps . So if we get Caleb and there is no real market for fields let williams come along the way mahommws did. Everyone wants to say he is mahommes / then bring him along the same way too
I laughed at the packers when they drafted love because it meant they closed their super bowl window.
Also the bears aren’t in the place to do that you’ve got a head coach on the hot seat
glad they talked about adam shaheen, arguably the worst pick ive seen since kevin white.
I wonder if the Bears might replace Bagent since he was a Getsy guy around the 5th round by like a Jordan Travis.
Bagent is going to be a longtime back up at worse. they’re keeping him
Josh Lucas is a clown
Whose wearing number 13 for the 2024 season?
Why say you have heard something that would worry if the sources aren’t reliable and the fact that you can’t or won’t name them. I hate when ppl say things of this nature. It’s baseless claims.
ONLY JOHN LUCAS WOULD BE DOWN IN THIS TRADE LMFAO-IN CONTEXT HE IS THE GUY WHO WANTED MITCH OVER MAHOLMES-MITCH WAS HIS GUY. I LIKE LUCAS BUT WHAT HE SAYS SOMETIMES IS STRANGE. THIS GUY CAN STILL BE AVERY GOOD WR FOR 34 YEARS -HE RUNS FANTASTIC ROUTES AND GREAT HANDS AND EXPERIENCE
Keenan Allen is great but 34 years seems like a stretch lol. (I knew what you meant.)
What is this guy talking about????????????????
I don't have a preference for CW or JF, if you look at all the moves objectively all the signs are pointing towards the Bears trading the #1 overall pick. How do these guys who call themselves experts refuse to even acknowledge this as even a possibility?
WHY HASN’T ANYONE HEARED THAT IAN HAS SAID THE BEARS HAD OFFERS FROM ATLANTA & STEELERS BEFORE THEY DRAFTED KIRK C. & RUSSLE WILSON BUT POLES SAID THEY WEREN’T SHOPPING FIELDS, MAKES SENSE, THEY HAVEN’T HAD THERE PRO-DAY YET TO EVEN DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO DRAFT OR KEEP FIELDS🤔🤔🤔
That’s literally not true. Falcons were never Interested
@@JJ-zr6fuDon’t talk when you don’t know what your talking about, Atlanta wanted him the most but Poles told them they weren’t shopping him, then they went to Kirk Cousins, that’s coming from Ian, don’t respond to me, your an idiot…
I like dudes that sound like they're a little bit shitfaced all the time.
who cares what Lucas thinks.....we all know how he helped F**** up the Mahomes draft. Oh yeah and he was responsible for Mike Glennon!!!....guys stop having him on please !!!!
Uggggggghh.
Can't wait until they all realise caleb isn't being drafted by the bears and JF1 is still the QB1 and they have to back track on all this Negative narrative takes about JF1. Josh Lucus just said Caleb would have to change his game to play in this system, but they still push their narrative to fit what they only want to believe is happening with the #1 pick
Justin Fields is trash
... Still feel this way?
If I’m any of the top qbs especially Caleb and the bust former first round pick is a head of me I’m demanding a trade.