It's a bit late now but a good tip would be to measure the valve clearances before you took the cams out. If any shims need changing you can put the correct ones back in when you put it all together. As it is you'll have to put it all back together then measure and may then have to pull the cams out again. You'll have fun putting those tiny collets back in. Trust me!
@@BikesofRye We learn best from our mistakes! I just had my ZX9r off the road for four months due to me not checking my shims were all in place after doing valve clearances and a head gasket change. The only exhaust shim I didn't change must have shifted while the head was off, after starting it, it caused a collet to jump out, luckily just one. That was just the start of the bad luck though, four of the cam cap bolts are stretch bolts and one snapped, had to drill it out, clean thoroughly and get new bolts. That is the other thing, as parts of the camshafts are under tension, you should be much more careful removing those cam caps, if the camshafts don't come up squarely, you risk cracking them. They are matched to the cylinder head, so a snapped camshaft cap means whole new head.
This was an entertaining watch but served to remind me of what a miserable past time working on old engines is. As I get older I become more convinced that rather than try and mend old stuff its better to spend enough cash to buy a decent bike and spend free time riding it. Thanks for posting Andy
I can't even explain how invested I am in this series. My friend has a '97 Ace that's been sitting for a while and I'm thinking of taking it off his hands. It doesn't start and is a complete mess but this series is giving me hope.
@@andywilliams8563 I'm in Montreal, QC, Canada. Ended up sticking my neck out, bringing it in the garage in the next few days. With this project and school, I won't have the privilege of being bored this winter!
@@Skandarr788 no worries sir - I am in the UK so as much as I love the bike, I wouldn't have gone that far it lol. Good luck with the project - will be a good one to do!
Exactly the same thing happened to me last year. Even got the same valve spring compressor. Get the head skimmed, new head gasket and new head bolts as they stretch. Lap the valves in as well, you can pay someone to do so but it's about £15 per valve..... You are doing well, especially for someone who is basically a novice. We don't all start out as experts.....
One thing I noticed that many people don't know.... Open ended spanners are made to be used in one direction *if at all possible*. Look at an adjustable spanner - the 'fixed' jaw should be on the far side from the direction you are pulling, the 'sliding' jaw on the nearest side to the direction of (desired) rotation. Apply that picture to using open ended spanners, and you have less chance of rounding off tight nuts, because the larger jaw is stronger and doesn't flex so much! But you are a star my friend; as soon as you said you were going to drill out a stud, I thought it may go wrong - not because of your skills (far from it), but because in my 50 odd years of messing about with bikes and hanging about with people who mess about with bikes, the ratio of "I ended up with the hole offcentre' or 'the drill broke off' as opposed to 'it all went well and the stud is out' must be about 100:1 !!! Keep going mate, we're all rooting for you!
I commend your efforts on the task your undertaking. My only advice is to use the same platform that your putting your content on to research any thing that your findings problematic. So many videos on removing exhaust studs etc. Good luck with the rebuild
Mapp gas is better for heating things up. Why removing the valves? Broken drill bits can be removed with spark erosion methods. Quick tip when drilling out studs,use a mains powered drill it's faster,and use calbalt drill bits. Cut the studs flush with the surface ,then centre punch the stud,this helps the drill bit to find center and not run off to the side...
It is great to see a new mechanic learning and you are tackling jobs that I only do with the support of my other half who is a qualified motorcycle mechanic. Well done and good luck with the rebuild, measuring shims under buckets is a mathematically challenging task that made my brain melt! I am sure that you will make it look easy though.
Like the way you said “well I want to learn so let get in to it “ great attitude to have wish you all the best with it “ I would of bin losing my head after 5 minutes 😅 great work keep it up 👍🏼
you should slacken the cam bearing cap bolts progressively on each cam so it gradually rises from head bearing surface along the whole cam . taking them off one at a time can damage the bearing face as the valve spring pressure on released end tilts the cam up digging into bearing surface edges there is clearance there for oil that it spins on remember its not held tight in there. goodluck with the snapped drill .
Great video. When you come to re-install the valves, put a dab of multi purpose grease on the valve collets. It will help keep them in place, otherwise it is a real pain.
Great work on the bike, had the same problem with my Cbr 900, I didn’t break a drill bit in it though, but an engineer friend came round and was able to sort it, he drilled it and then re tapped it, he done it in 3 stages, don’t ask as I’ve forgotten the technical terms he used 😊😊😊, 20,000 still going strong, but I feel your pain, well done on the bike progress 👍
Great to see another video. I really like your honesty and the way you show your struggles. Really refreshing compared to all those ‘look how easy it is and only takes 2 minutes’ bullcrap videos. Just wondering, did the blackbird pass inspection? Don’t know what that’s called in the UK 😅
Thanks for the video, real world stuff. The engine balanced on the workmate looked a bit sketchy. I am looking forward to the next video, its a credit to you having a go like this
Roasting each seized exhaust stud with a blow lamp, shocking it with cold water, then roasting it again and whilst still hot, tighten it fractionally before loosening it is the method I use and it hasn't failed. Vice grips on the broken stud should still remove it.
Fair play lad , your going to get so much experience from doing that top end , took alot of balls to even attempt it and once again I wish you the very best of luck with the build .
Holy shit bro putting some graft in here 💪🏻 my head would have popped around 2 minutes in lol 😂. Good on you Rye you’re attempting something most of us would have gave in long ago 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Just started watching your vidoes. CR one first. Not sure if anyone else has said yet but you need a set of JIS screwdrivers for all these japanese bikes otherwise you will round the screws off. They are not phillips or pozi drive👍 I have a few 2 strokes😎
Top job fella, I love your honesty and enthusiasm about tackling these unknown (to you) tasks. I did suspect trouble ahead when you drilled the exhaust stud. Good luck and work safe.
Good effort, you have my sympathies, stuck bolts, more tools and yet more tools.....Really looking forward to watching you taking this forward. A really enjoyable watch.
I'm glad to see you've got a Breaker Bar now mate but you really need to learn the right tools for the job,you were a slip away from a very painful injury several times during this video and there's no need for it.
hello mate, good series. As a bit of advice, would be worth in investing in some left handed drill bits, they work in reverse and are ideal for extracting stubborn bolts/screws. Hope this helps. Safe riding.
Offer still stands mate, I am only down the road and always happy to lend a hand, was hoping at some point to do some kind of collaboration between our channels anyway.
Love the channel and admire your efforts etc, I am a ex pat UK and miss how small everything is over there (cars , driveways etc) Good on you having a go, advice time.... buy some decent quality tools. I know the idea of the channel is "some dude on his driveway" but trust me that will get old for you very quickly, get a lift and some good quality tools and you'll have much more fun and progress, those exhaust studs for example get a Mac XMSR1 kit and you'd have had them out in 10 mins, no one wants to waste time when there is a tool for the job. No shade, you're doing epic, just been there and done that and know the right tool makes the work a pleasure.
Hell no, I’d of just got another engine😢. I did the same as you on a bandit 1200, took me days, tried welding extraction everything, I turned to Whiskey in the end. Got the bloody thing out though. Never ever again
Easier to turn the engine without the sparkplugs. And use a magnet for the buckets next time. To remove and install valves I recommend the "Lisle" removal/install tool and bin that old spring compressor. No struggling to install the keepers later
Hi mate. If you are checking the valves clearance you do NOT need to take the head off. They should be checked with the cam in. Not sure what you are doing. But I wish you the best 😮.
Wow.....what a pain in the arse that's been. Have the tee shirt though....a few years ago but the exhaust studs were every bit as hard to remove LOL always found it easy taking engines apart....it gets tricky putting them back together but that's the rewarding bit. Good luck.
Also, dont just rely on shim numbers, you still need to measure the shims even if there isa number. Let me send you a software program I wrote that calculates new valve clearances, you can then compare with results yoy get doing it your way 👍
1:02 😂 what are you doing with that rubber mallet… 13:22 that’s what a rubber is used for… That swing arm bolt needed metal on metal and a few hard hits to release it..
Great video. Knowing that you are a complete novice makes me want to have ago at restoring a bike. But I am even more of a novice than you so don't think it's wise for me to try😂.
breaking that drill in the stud is a major sin. you need to learn the correct way to do things first mate. you should've measured the valve clearances before you ripped the cams out. your wife is a star by the way.😄
sorry bro,but doing a rebuild without even knowing how a cv carb works,is stupid...that head shouldnt been taken off if you had a clue on how to take that stud out...weld a nut and voila..whatever...
Always use the ring end not open end to undo stuff, you will get better grip on a stuck fastener.
It's a bit late now but a good tip would be to measure the valve clearances before you took the cams out. If any shims need changing you can put the correct ones back in when you put it all together. As it is you'll have to put it all back together then measure and may then have to pull the cams out again. You'll have fun putting those tiny collets back in. Trust me!
I was just about to put that up👍
Damn it, yes I should have... But this, I will know for future now, that is the beauty of it all
@@BikesofRye We learn best from our mistakes! I just had my ZX9r off the road for four months due to me not checking my shims were all in place after doing valve clearances and a head gasket change. The only exhaust shim I didn't change must have shifted while the head was off, after starting it, it caused a collet to jump out, luckily just one. That was just the start of the bad luck though, four of the cam cap bolts are stretch bolts and one snapped, had to drill it out, clean thoroughly and get new bolts.
That is the other thing, as parts of the camshafts are under tension, you should be much more careful removing those cam caps, if the camshafts don't come up squarely, you risk cracking them. They are matched to the cylinder head, so a snapped camshaft cap means whole new head.
And not to use pliers to remove the buckets. Use a magnet, thus avoiding any damage.
I concur completely!
You must be mad attempting this without any experience.
Fair play to you. Can't wait for the next episode of this rebuild. 👍🏍
This was an entertaining watch but served to remind me of what a miserable past time working on old engines is.
As I get older I become more convinced that rather than try and mend old stuff its better to spend enough cash to buy a decent bike and spend free time riding it.
Thanks for posting Andy
Weld a nut onto the stud, heat the stud up red hot with a plumbers torch, then ratchet the bugger off, heating up n cooling fast will also help !
Definitely in at the deep end with this rebuild. Good on you for giving it a go. It's a hell of a learning experience!!
I can't even explain how invested I am in this series. My friend has a '97 Ace that's been sitting for a while and I'm thinking of taking it off his hands. It doesn't start and is a complete mess but this series is giving me hope.
where is he based - if you don't want it I would be tempted as looking for a new project bike to work on :)
@@andywilliams8563 I'm in Montreal, QC, Canada. Ended up sticking my neck out, bringing it in the garage in the next few days. With this project and school, I won't have the privilege of being bored this winter!
@@Skandarr788 no worries sir - I am in the UK so as much as I love the bike, I wouldn't have gone that far it lol. Good luck with the project - will be a good one to do!
That was the most interesting TH-cam I have seen for ages well done on taking on such a big job that looks so daunting.
Exactly the same thing happened to me last year. Even got the same valve spring compressor. Get the head skimmed, new head gasket and new head bolts as they stretch. Lap the valves in as well, you can pay someone to do so but it's about £15 per valve..... You are doing well, especially for someone who is basically a novice. We don't all start out as experts.....
One thing I noticed that many people don't know.... Open ended spanners are made to be used in one direction *if at all possible*. Look at an adjustable spanner - the 'fixed' jaw should be on the far side from the direction you are pulling, the 'sliding' jaw on the nearest side to the direction of (desired) rotation. Apply that picture to using open ended spanners, and you have less chance of rounding off tight nuts, because the larger jaw is stronger and doesn't flex so much! But you are a star my friend; as soon as you said you were going to drill out a stud, I thought it may go wrong - not because of your skills (far from it), but because in my 50 odd years of messing about with bikes and hanging about with people who mess about with bikes, the ratio of "I ended up with the hole offcentre' or 'the drill broke off' as opposed to 'it all went well and the stud is out' must be about 100:1 !!!
Keep going mate, we're all rooting for you!
I commend your efforts on the task your undertaking. My only advice is to use the same platform that your putting your content on to research any thing that your findings problematic. So many videos on removing exhaust studs etc. Good luck with the rebuild
Mapp gas is better for heating things up. Why removing the valves? Broken drill bits can be removed with spark erosion methods. Quick tip when drilling out studs,use a mains powered drill it's faster,and use calbalt drill bits. Cut the studs flush with the surface ,then centre punch the stud,this helps the drill bit to find center and not run off to the side...
I got a quote for mobile spark eroding and I could buy another engine for less 🤣
Very brave and patient. An inspiration to numpties like me...
It is great to see a new mechanic learning and you are tackling jobs that I only do with the support of my other half who is a qualified motorcycle mechanic. Well done and good luck with the rebuild, measuring shims under buckets is a mathematically challenging task that made my brain melt! I am sure that you will make it look easy though.
if someone as stupid as me could do it I am sure you can!
Mechanic...Ha
I feel I’m learning as much as you are, as you take on these tasks… ❤
Replace valve stem seals on assembly 👍
It’s a it’s a bolt 3:26 extraction tool, not a stud extraction tool 😂 sorry bro I had to laugh.
Like the way you said “well I want to learn so let get in to it “ great attitude to have wish you all the best with it “ I would of bin losing my head after 5 minutes 😅 great work keep it up 👍🏼
Great episode dude, really felt for you with the studs but glad things are progressing with less pain man
Mate I have this bike and am so happy with how far your going with the engine so I can learn how mine works too ❤
Nice one!
you should slacken the cam bearing cap bolts progressively on each cam so it gradually rises from head bearing surface along the whole cam . taking them off one at a time can damage the bearing face as the valve spring pressure on released end tilts the cam up digging into bearing surface edges there is clearance there for oil that it spins on remember its not held tight in there. goodluck with the snapped drill .
your getting into a world of pain ,brave man
it really helps to source a service manual for that specific bike
I have downloaded the manual which has been helpful so far
ahhhh that satisfying feeling when a bolt comes out eventually haha
Great video. When you come to re-install the valves, put a dab of multi purpose grease on the valve collets. It will help keep them in place, otherwise it is a real pain.
Thanks will keep that in mind!!
Great work on the bike, had the same problem with my Cbr 900, I didn’t break a drill bit in it though, but an engineer friend came round and was able to sort it, he drilled it and then re tapped it, he done it in 3 stages, don’t ask as I’ve forgotten the technical terms he used 😊😊😊, 20,000 still going strong, but I feel your pain, well done on the bike progress 👍
Great to see another video. I really like your honesty and the way you show your struggles. Really refreshing compared to all those ‘look how easy it is and only takes 2 minutes’ bullcrap videos.
Just wondering, did the blackbird pass inspection? Don’t know what that’s called in the UK 😅
I am currently editing up a BB video of me riding it! 😀 Keep an eye out for the upload hopefully in a couple of days
@@BikesofRye Don't worry, I'm refreshing the hell out of TH-cam 😂
Keep at it. You’re doing just great 👍
I appreciate it!
Thanks for the video, real world stuff. The engine balanced on the workmate looked a bit sketchy. I am looking forward to the next video, its a credit to you having a go like this
It is all a bit sketchy to be honest haha
Roasting each seized exhaust stud with a blow lamp, shocking it with cold water, then roasting it again and whilst still hot, tighten it fractionally before loosening it is the method I use and it hasn't failed. Vice grips on the broken stud should still remove it.
Fair play lad , your going to get so much experience from doing that top end , took alot of balls to even attempt it and once again I wish you the very best of luck with the build .
You can weld a nut onto the brojen stud too,a bit harder to fo but same result, stud out. Good luck.
Holy shit bro putting some graft in here 💪🏻 my head would have popped around 2 minutes in lol 😂. Good on you Rye you’re attempting something most of us would have gave in long ago 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
My head did pop only I left that part out haha.. What I am doing is a bit of a madness but mate it is so challenging that is what I love
I really enjoy these vids Rye. I just bought an NC30 as a winter project so they're very inspirational.
NC30 is on my to do list!!
you doing a cracking job mate
Just started watching your vidoes. CR one first. Not sure if anyone else has said yet but you need a set of JIS screwdrivers for all these japanese bikes otherwise you will round the screws off. They are not phillips or pozi drive👍 I have a few 2 strokes😎
Keep going bro. Just read the manual, take your time and you’ll be sorted.
Fingers crossed!
Im so glad youtube alert actually worked for a change.
Top job fella, I love your honesty and enthusiasm about tackling these unknown (to you) tasks. I did suspect trouble ahead when you drilled the exhaust stud. Good luck and work safe.
Good effort, you have my sympathies, stuck bolts, more tools and yet more tools.....Really looking forward to watching you taking this forward. A really enjoyable watch.
Use a JIS screwdriver on those screws. Normal philips will just strip them
I do have a set and have been using them yes what a difference they have made
You Sir have the patience of a saint.
Great work in the end. Lots of people would have given up! Keep on going rye!
I'm glad to see you've got a Breaker Bar now mate but you really need to learn the right tools for the job,you were a slip away from a very painful injury several times during this video and there's no need for it.
Please mate invest in a motorcycle lift, trust me mate, they're a god send! I've been saying this in every episode of yours!
I know I know.... let's see... we are slowly building up to hopefully one day I have my own little workshop!?
I would invest in some JIS screwdrivers ,I found them so useful on my bike,keep up the good work
I have them thanks to comments like these! Look out for them being used in future uploads
hello mate, good series. As a bit of advice, would be worth in investing in some left handed drill bits, they work in reverse and are ideal for extracting stubborn bolts/screws. Hope this helps. Safe riding.
Offer still stands mate, I am only down the road and always happy to lend a hand, was hoping at some point to do some kind of collaboration between our channels anyway.
Thanks mate yeah will keep you in mind!! Maybe when the GF can't lend me her muscle to lift an engine 🤣
Love the channel and admire your efforts etc, I am a ex pat UK and miss how small everything is over there (cars , driveways etc)
Good on you having a go, advice time.... buy some decent quality tools. I know the idea of the channel is "some dude on his driveway" but trust me that will get old for you very quickly, get a lift and some good quality tools and you'll have much more fun and progress, those exhaust studs for example get a Mac XMSR1 kit and you'd have had them out in 10 mins, no one wants to waste time when there is a tool for the job.
No shade, you're doing epic, just been there and done that and know the right tool makes the work a pleasure.
Hell no, I’d of just got another engine😢. I did the same as you on a bandit 1200, took me days, tried welding extraction everything, I turned to Whiskey in the end. Got the bloody thing out though. Never ever again
Easier to turn the engine without the sparkplugs. And use a magnet for the buckets next time. To remove and install valves I recommend the "Lisle" removal/install tool and bin that old spring compressor. No struggling to install the keepers later
Good call moving inside mate 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You are lucky man, your wife is gold, take good care of her
Hi mate. If you are checking the valves clearance you do NOT need to take the head off. They should be checked with the cam in. Not sure what you are doing. But I wish you the best 😮.
If you have a bit of stud left then cycle heat and plusgas over a couple hours. Be gentle and it will come out
All the best pal. 👍👍👍
Hello mate, being enjoying the content I’m going to be starting my own resto on my bore 2 stroke 1989 KTM
Let me know how you get on with the swing arm pivot and or removing the flywheel. Complete nightmare on my 91 CR125 rebuild!
@@BikesofRyeil be uploading the journey my YTC ❤ il definitely keep you posted.
Awesome man, loving your content, thanks
Glad to hear it!
Fantastic video and a great watch 👌
Next time use a torch to heat the bolts when you come across the first (unbroken) one coming out like the way it did.
Very interesting, well done
Many thanks!
nice project is the engine fully tested
Hmm well man you are putting in the work. Might need a garage soon. 👍
That is the dream
Copper slip! use it on every bolt you take off, then you wont have any stuck bolts ever again 👍
Wow.....what a pain in the arse that's been. Have the tee shirt though....a few years ago but the exhaust studs were every bit as hard to remove LOL always found it easy taking engines apart....it gets tricky putting them back together but that's the rewarding bit. Good luck.
I feel a million miles away from a complete bike right now, but it is as you say, the reward once you put it all back together that keeps me going
Please get some JIS screwdrivers 😊
Also, dont just rely on shim numbers, you still need to measure the shims even if there isa number. Let me send you a software program I wrote that calculates new valve clearances, you can then compare with results yoy get doing it your way 👍
Great progress, keep at it!
mig weld a nut onto a broken stud
What a mare that exhaust bolt was. How are you gonna get it out....Tune in next time😁
An ‘easy out set’ would have done the job.
... until one of those breaks off!
@@WoBlink1961 do not buy the cheapest ones..
Brave , very brave 😁👍🏼
Great video sir
Thanks
Any update? How's it going with the Thunderace Build?
Hi Jason I am collecting the head tomorrow... have been awaiting on it to be vapour blasted
Great, cant wait to see next video 👍
Can I show you how to set the timing in Thunderace? I bought this motorcycle disassembled and I'm trying to put it back together
You can't call yourself a novice anymore!
More you than me lol. Good job far buddy. 👍🏼
Great videos, keep up the good work 👍🏼
Thank you! 👍
Hi there, your GF/wife deserves a medal👍 my wife help's me BUT not with anything like lifting an engine.
1:02 😂 what are you doing with that rubber mallet…
13:22 that’s what a rubber is used for…
That swing arm bolt needed metal on metal and a few hard hits to release it..
I'm sure you didn't have grey hair before you started this project 😂
I will be bald by the end of it
Great video very interesting
Glad you enjoyed it
Did you put new head bolts on when you did the head gasket
I haven't replaced the head bolts
Great video. Knowing that you are a complete novice makes me want to have ago at restoring a bike. But I am even more of a novice than you so don't think it's wise for me to try😂.
Too painful to watch.
I would have used a little heat on them
breaking that drill in the stud is a major sin. you need to learn the correct way to do things first mate. you should've measured the valve clearances before you ripped the cams out. your wife is a star by the way.😄
They are tools for rounded nuts, not designed for studs at all.
Yes I guess I was clutching at straws in hope
No your limits next time take the head of and give it to someone else to do.
How would I learn?
🏍👍👍
Finish this please
Working on the head cylinder this evening 😁
Should get a shed of some sort and a proper bike lift before someone get hurt the way you are working. Used lifts are reasonable enough money
You will probably need some Thermite to burn out that stud.
9:12 cranking the engine backwards. I can't watch any more..
I think your girl is stronger than you!😂
Yeah I wouldn't mess with her! 😂
I wish you'd wear some knee pads, you'll wish you did when your knees are knackered
More doom and gloom
Can i contact you by messenger or whats app for a question about timing chain because i have a question about you owners manuel . Thanks
Just another Delboy sham.
I am not sure what you mean?
sorry bro,but doing a rebuild without even knowing how a cv carb works,is stupid...that head shouldnt been taken off if you had a clue on how to take that stud out...weld a nut and voila..whatever...