How To Overhaul Vintage Peugeot Bike Headset
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ย. 2014
- I overhaul the headset on an early 70's Peugeot road bike. I believe it is a UO-8 or a variation. I disassemble, clean, lube, replace the bearings and reassemble the headset.
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I have a Peugeot quite similar to this model, same era, but with drop bars, 1x5 speed and a metallic purple paint job. I'd taken it apart for cleaning, servicing and replacing some of the parts and I couldn't remember whether the roller bearings were in the top or the bottom, so this was super useful. Thanks so much for this RJ.!
Not sure if it just me, but hearing that "Hey viewers" at the beginning of each vid never fails to brighten my day.
If you like that you'll love scotty kilmer
I just took apart my old uo-8 that has been in storage since the late 80's. I bought it new in 1978, it is a little different: drop-down bars and cotterless crank...
I did exactly what you warned against, dropped the fork out and spilled the bottom headset bearings on my garage floor. I expected them to be in a cage like the top. I recovered 24 of them.
I searched utube and came across this video. Seldom does a video answer a question so specific...you had 24 bearings and you told the viewer! You also solved the mystery of which side goes up on the caged bearings.
Awesome videos RJ. Thank you. I am your newest fan tonight.
All the likes. Everytime I'm stuck with something, one of your videos just saves me. Thank you.
Watching your videos RJ makes me remember all the problems I had with all my old bikes. 🤬😡
Helpful video, I would add that for people who don't have a bike stand, setting the bike on its side after removing the handlebars is a good way to not lose the bearings and generally to keep stuff from falling down. Also, setting it on its side meant I didn't need to disconnect the brake cables.
Just needed a reminder, as i hadn't set a vintage up for a while. Thanks RJ, as usual ... you're the best.
Just done my PA10 thanks to this video. Only difference was the top bearings were loose not caged. What I did was keep the bike on its front wheel on while I removed the top bearings, then removed wheel and flipped the frame to remove the bottom ones. Reverse process to reassemble. Thanks RJ.
Thats a really interesting old school bike, thanks for sharing.
RJ, your awesome. thank you for all the uploads. there helping a huuuuge bunch. you and sheldon are on par in my eyes!
I would like to see more videos on this bike if it’s possible. Love your videos
Great video. Helped me figure out how the headset on my 1993 mongoose crossway hybrid bike should be put together
Great video! I have the same exact bike in the same color. I always enjoy learning more about it.
OMG! RJ you just saved my arse on my UO8 restoration. Thank you! Thank you!
thank you for posting this. It has been a while since I serviced this type of head set and this was a good review.
Super helpful man, thank you for posting!
Great video, thanks for the tip about the bearings...
Helpful video, will probably jump and start headset overhaul with my old peugeot roadie hehehhe
Thank you very much for this very informative video. I have two Peugeot's (one UE-8 which is basically the touring version of UO-8 and one PX-10) from the 70's which I would like to tune up. Being the novice that I am, videos like this are invaluable to me.
One question, what sort of headset wrenches do I need to fit the locknut and the adjustable cup (or cone as you call it?), please?
Many thanks!
Thanks. Just bought a 1962 Bianchi frameset. Similar bearing set up
Thanks for making this video i was able to tighten my old loose mountain bike fork .that lock nut that u used the yellow wrench on was different on my bike ,mine had 3 notches in it, i am sure there is some tool for it but i just used a small flat head screw driver in the notch and a small hammer to tighten it and it worked no more loose fork, thanks again, just subscribed and a thumbs up.
Probably: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000C17KRI/ref=nosim/youtube25-20
Your vids are the best out there. Really thanks. I have watched lots, every one is detailed and clear. Thanks for sharing.
It's a very very useful video. Thanks man!
Awesome, perfect for renovating my French motobecane.
This vid is a lifesaver, LEGEND!
Super helpful video, thanks once again 🤗
Thank you sir, very helpful this weekend
Great video !
Thank you for the tutorial.
I'd also love to see a video servicing and installing old Mafac centerpull brakes. I'm having the devil of a time installing some Mafac Raids on a 700c to 650b conversion.
Very interesting, Thanks.
Nice informative Video.
I have a question
Concerning the Caged bearings.
What size are they?
Great video. I have the exact same bike ,except i have the curved bar. Do you have a video redoing the front and back brakes on this bike ? Thank you
I just did this on my dads mid 80s Schwinn road bike that I’m trying to bring back to life. The only real difference is that both bearings were caged.
Today I did the same thing to my vintage 10 speed that I recently repainted, but I opted to go with loose bearings on the bottom and the top. Can you tell me why you wanted to keep caged bearings on the top but not the bottom?
Hi RJ
I like the little grease gun you have there is that a bike only tool or available front car outlets as well
I recently bought a Uo-8 just like the one in this video, and it has given me different sorts of problems while in the road, these kind of videos are helpful, is a shame you didn't upload more videos of this bicycle so I can use as a reference.
Most of the stuff on the Peugeots, are the same as other bikes for which i have videos.
@@RJTheBikeGuy well that's true, maybe it's because I have a very similar model, Form the same years and color, it felt as if it was my own bike there hahahaha
@@RJTheBikeGuy I have one question though, I want to upgrade my bottom bracket to a sealed square tapper BB, is there anything I can do to make this happen without buying the Velo Orange part, because where I'm living right now theres nothing like that one.
@@Dimass LOL! French bikes suck for replacing parts. They have weird sizes and threadings. Finding a french threaded BB, or maybe a threadless. That's your options.
thanks rj!
Hi RJ!
Thanks for your videos! They're really helpful and helping me A LOT! I have a problem with my old DBS (norwegian bike) I'm restoring. At 2:30, you unscrew the final part that keeps all the headset together, you call it a "cone"; mine is jammed, lock tight. the previous owner fell and I believe when trying to re-align the handlebar, he made the little key that should be in the slot, slip off and now it's in the threads of the stem. It's really locked. can you advise me on a techinque to loosen it? Sorry for the long comment.
Thanks again!
Hello RJ the holed spacer on my headset was cracked upon removal , can I go about sanding down the pin and removing the hole d spacer. I can't forsee finding a replacement one. Similar peugeot to the one in this video. Thanks.
Thanks so much
Is headset in my 1971 Raleigh Super Course same as that of the Peugeot? Great video, thanks!
The only real difference is that you might have loose bearings instead of that circular retainer clip. The process is the same.
Nice video as always. I have one just like it in blue. What front and rear replacement Derailleur i can use on this bike? My 1978 Motobecane Grand Jubile has Suntour Cyclone Derailleur can i use the same one?
Probably.
Great video......can you tell me on how to determine of how many speeds you have on a bike....?? Thank you
Count the cogs on the back and the chainrings on the front. And multiply the two numbers.
Hi,
I got a vintage Atala road frame (around 1970). The bottom seat has widened, so that the lower headset cup is loose. I tried a strip of aluminium to fix it, but the fork still feels loose. Can you recommend a fix?
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Hey I got a new frame never been built and its 1980s I think. It doesn't seem to have the cup ring part attached to top and bottom of the frame head. The part on the frame that holds the bearings in place. I am stripping down another racer that has exactly what you have in your video but new frame just has nothing. Have you any ideas? can you remove these parts from a frame and attach to another or is it built into the frame?
I have one of vintage bike and i dont know the brand it kind a look like this. at least the bottom bracket is looking the same. my bike's crank mill (the middle pipe which rotates i dont know if it called crank mill) has been damaged by the pin that keep peddal part and mill together. where could i get one of these new? is there any website for old bikes?
Is it ok to have the bottom barrings barrings up or barrings down? Does it matter because my crown seems to be more compatible with the barrings down?
Do u have a hack on cleaning whitewall tires
It is a U08 I have that exact bike I’m fixing to restore for my son. My child hood bike. My bike has drop bars. These are very light bikes and great to ride. I’d like to change it from 10 speed to 8 speed but not sure how?? Any help would be appreciated. Love your videos, all my bikes are old , but so am I. I do have a carbon fiber bike, early 2000 specialized and I love it.I would like to up grade it but not sure what I can do on carbon fiber bike??
How do you chose between mineral spirit and for example a citrus degreaser, whats the difference? Great vid.
Citrus degreaser is mellower, but mineral spirits is stronger and works faster.
Hi RJ, thanks for putting together this video. I've been watching a bunch of vintage bike rebuild/refurb videos recently, and I notice most people seem to use these translucent coloured greases -- they usually say it's a marine grease, which I gather is waterproof, which seems like an advantage. I have a tub of a white "lithium grease", I got from a bike shop, which I've been using for pedals and threaded things and stuff like that --- is it OK to use that for the bearing race? I'm going to try servicing a headset with caged bearings.
OK, I did a bit of research at sheldonbrown.com: "There are a great many different greases on the market with different special features, mainly for automotive applications. For bicycle use, almost any grease is adequate, since the loads and temperatures are generally low. In wet conditions, a water-resistant grease is preferable." I think I'll just go with what I have for now, although the coloured greases do look pretty :P
Hi RJ, thanks for all your videos, you've been a huge help over the last few years in teaching myself how to work on old bikes. I've restored several now, including a single speed conversion for myself. My question is this: I have the same mini grease gun you do, but grease comes out all over the place, not just from the nozzle. What did you do to yours? Has it never leaked?
Do you have the "Dualco" mini grease gun, or one made by someone else? I specifically bought the Dualco one as they seem to be the one the pros use. There are other brands that look similar, but I have read poor reviews of some of them, like leaking grease.
shyflirt1 haha i didnt realize they looked so similar. i highly doubt mine is a dualco since those seem to run around $15 to $10 and i paid like... $4.....lol
So, do you think you got a good deal? :)
Man for the most part it works just fine so I'm pretty happy! lol
Thanh You Very good!
Hey RJ, Thanks for the video! While over-hauling my headset (seems to be the same exact model here in this video) I broke my "keyed lock washer". I have had a hard time tracking one down. Any suggestions as to where to find one? Thanks a bunch!
Local bike shop.
RJ The Bike Guy I tried them, no dice.
@@alexlikesoutdoors5825 Try a different one. There are multiple bike shops in my town, and more in other towns. All different. The bike shop nearest me has drawers and drawers full of miscellaneous tidbits. I am guessing other shops around here might not have as much stuff.
how do you cut that groove in a new threaded fork for the keyed nut and cable guide. Need to install a virgin fork on a steel 1 inch threaded frame.
Not sure the best way to do it. Maybe with a dremel. Of just file the keyed washer to remove the key.
Hello Sir RJ,may i know that kind of brake in the front fork?
Thanks and more power..
Thanks for the video! I did this before I saw this video on a similar French bike based on the Peugeot. Made the mistake of assuming that it would be caged bearings at the bottom too. Whoops. Lost a bunch and put as many back that I could reasonably fit. All in all 25 compared to your 24. Will it do the bike harm running an extra bearing?
Actually, you want a gap in headset loose bearings. It allows them to move around more. Otherwise, there bearings sit in the same spot and will wear the races in those spots.
@@RJTheBikeGuy Thanks! I received similar advice on a Facebook group. Fortunately they're pretty easy to remove from the bottom on those bikes.
Hi @RJ The Bike Guy, I have a question. I just took my bike apart. When I took out the fork, I carelessly flip the fork upside down andI noticed there is something inside the fork dropped out, looks like a cone. Do you know if bike usually have that? what is it for? and what does it call? Is there something else I am potentially missing? The only thing I retrieved after took the fork off was the bearings. Thank you so much
it is a vintage bike btw, from the 70s.
Not enough information for me to answer. Could be many things.
6:45 I don't know about bikes but normally on machine bearings there is never a 2-3 ball gap, there will be a 1 to 0.5 bearing gap at most. If you have a bearing sized gap then you have a missing bearing(s)...I've just done gone overhauled a front wheel, it was rumbling until I replaced the missing bearing.
Wheels go around and around. So the bearings are constantly moving. Steering goes back and forth, so the bearings would mostly be in the same place. So the bearings will wear the races in the spots. Leaving a gap allows the bearings to move around move.
While following the steps in this video I have a couple ques. if you don't mind. Is it ever necessary to take out the last 2 races and if so hope how do I take out? Also, my stem had a very different looking wedge more like a cone looking piece. Does that sound right? Also, I have 25 bearings that came out of the bottom in the 5/32" size. Did the 24 work for you ? Or did u need more? How would I know if I need More?
No, you don't have to remove the cups. But you can. Stems come in different styles. For the headset, it is good to leave a small gap in the bearings so they move better and aren't always in the same positions.
Hey do you know what size the caged bearings on this headset were?
hello nice video, very instructive. I want to know if it's possible to convert it with a threadless headset like you did in another video ( with the trek moutainbike). thanks a lot for your videos
A French made bike?
Yes a old Motoconfort bike
I think so.
@Ricardo del Rey im also thinking about it. I ll ignore it and ll share with you how it works a few days later
Have the same frame with drop bars got it for 100 dollars. Was a steal
Jimmy Styers I got this exact bike mixte version for only $45 check out shopgoodwill.com
Hi love your videos,very helpful,wanted to as you,what is the grease you use and is it available on eBay? love from Malta. thanks Karmen.
+Karmen Fava Marine grease. I get it at the local auto parts store. Yes I see some available on ebay.
I'm working on a Green 1977 Peugeot, I believe it is a UO-10. All the decals, head badge and components are the UO-10, but according to the catalog the 1977 did not come in green. Anyway I also have a stripped headset like yours. Did you ever get to fixing it?
+Tou Lor Not yet. I should though.
Very helpful video, looking to replace the handlebar of an old bike and this saves me the pin of doing all this stuff myself and possibly messing up. I bet the new handlebars will look funky on the bike, but aerodynamics above all ;)
My stem and fork seem to be fused together. Any suggestions? I'm working with basically the same bike. Thanks
+peter vazquez th-cam.com/video/0GRbdnTRH-4/w-d-xo.html
At 1:05 in, remove the bolt...My bolt head is not stripped but I tried a 6mm hex very very loose, 7mm to big to go in, then just in case tried a 1/4 in SAE just in case it had been replaced, too loose. It really doesn't look rounded! Going to try a "grab it" tool, but any suggestions? THANKS RJ
Sorry, I can't tell you. Do some research on your bike and see what you find. Chances are if it's an odd size, someone else ran in to the issue. French bike manufacturers did weird stuff.
@@RJTheBikeGuy OK RJ, thanks for the response. Hope you are all healed up by now.
I need some assistance. I am restoring a 1987 bianchi volpe. I am installing the original fork. I can figure out the order of bearing cage. Or there is another issue. When the top nut is on and only hand tight the fork is not easily moved. I have checked and rechecked and greased everything. Any suggestions?
I can't tell how yours is supposed to be. But I have enough videos where I overhaul them, that you should be able to figure it out. Off hand, this one might be helpful. th-cam.com/video/61Gygv82DAM/w-d-xo.html
Should you put grease on that small piece of metal that clamps the stem to the forks?
Yes.
RJ, I have similar Peugeot and I’m wanting to replace the headset with a modern one. Do you know if a new 1’’ threaded headset will fit into the Peugeot head tube?
Thank you,
Hello! I know this is a pretty old comment, but I'd be really interested to know if you manage to fit a modern headset on your vintage Peugeot bike?
Sophie Lantreibecq I didn’t try putting a new one in but I can send you the measurements of the headset I pulled out of it
Having serviced other non-Peugeot threaded headsets, I was surprised to find the lock washer with the series of holes when adjusting the headset on my mid-70's Peugeot (I think a PR-10?). My issue is that the bearing cone adjustment is essentially "indexed" and what seems to be the optimal cone tightness puts the pin between two off the holes, interfering with the washer. I had only tried adjusting the tightness without a full overhaul, so it could be the next-tighter option feels nice with some new grease, which I'll try next.
As a side note, this indexed lock washer seems like the main distinguishing feature of these Peugeot headsets from other threaded ones I've seen. @11:20 RJ mentions no need to tighten the lock nut excessively -- am I right in thinking that for most threaded headsets (without this type of lock washer) you *do* want to torque down decently well?
Be careful not the strip out the threads!
@@RJTheBikeGuy Forgot to report back, but it's smooth like butter!
hi RJ, i was wondering if you already made the video about the stripped locknut. I'm having a similar problem on my mercier, but i think its the fork that got stripped. any idea on how i can fix this without changing the fork ?
No, I haven't fixed that yet.
I'll wait then :) tks for the reply and for your awesome videos
Thanks for your reply, would it be posible to give me the name of the blue grease?Thanks Karmen
+Karmen Fava It marine grade grease.
Is it also possible to buy new beerings? I heared that the Peugeot around the 70s have beerings other size. I thought they all would be 1".
You can replace the bearings: th-cam.com/video/9jHU2mosbD0/w-d-xo.html
I will try that, thanks!
shyflirt1 What kind of a bike shop do you go to for picking out bike parts at the best prices?
I buy some parts at my plain old small local bike shop. I sometimes buy parts at other small bike shops in there area also. But I also buy parts on ebay, craigslist, amazon, etc. Some parts come from other bikes that I have. If I upgrade parts on one bike, I keep the old parts which may show up on another bike.
@Marco Apollonio try WD40, it helped me
Would this be similar to maintenance on a 70's era Nishiki road bike?
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Will any marine grease work or do you have a suggestion?
Carly Haithcock I just went to the auto parts store and bought a tub of marine grease. I didn't do any specific comparisons.
Is there any way to upgrade the whole new headset and cups to fit a carbon 700c fork ? Thanks
You should be able drive out the cups and install a new headset/fork.
RJ The Bike Guy wouldn't it be wise to measure the head tube ID to be sure that the new headset will fit ?
The fork feels like it moves smoothly enough but I can hear the grease squelching back and forth. Did I add too much grease?
No. The camera microphone amplifies sound. And the grease will redistribute with use.
Ok thanks for the help!
Is it possible for you to send me the measures of the peugeot bicycle fork?
I am stuck on this part of my project, hopefully you can help me. I sprayed penetrating oil and removed the long screw that holds the stem. But I CANNOT remove the stem, do you think the wedge part is stuck? Should I have left the screw in? Any tips or tricks for this because I am stuck on the first step of this video. Let me know thanks
Put the bolt back in, but loose. And tap it down with a hammer to free the wedge. The stem could be seized.
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RJ The Bike Guy I got the stem piece out thank you for your video it worked!
I need help getting my handlebars out of the stem, it’s height is set completely down so when I hammer the bolt on top to force the stem down and loosen the wedge, it doesn’t happen. Might need to hit it upwards but not too sure, please help thanks!
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Hi RJ, what happens if I can move the cups on the frame easily with my fingers?, how can I adjust it? I have to stick the cups with something? Thanks and regards. J.
The cups are pressed in. Make sure the headset is the correct one. You might get a caliper measure the cups and headtube. I am assuming the cups are the correct ones, and only slightly loose. Not sure of the best solution. Maybe a little loctite blue.
I think that they are the correct cups too. Thanks for answer me so quickly. J
Hey RJ, do you recall if that fork/headset would be different thread than a Japanese road frame of same era? I think I know the answer, but wanted you to confirm for me. I think I learned that one the hard way. Also, would you guess the drive side bottom bracket cup would not be reverse thread? But standard righthand thread? I'm about to start tearing down a similar era Peugeot roadbike in pretty nice shape. Something tells me the drive side bottom bracket isn't reversed. Anyway, love your show, like to show you some of my hacks someday.
Yes. www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html
6:08 You're a magician!
Hi RJ !
Im having a problem overhauling a headset. It has loose bearings (with no cage), i took them out and cleaned them. When i put them again it seems like the cup doesn't fit :/ . In fact, you can see the bearings through the small crack between the cup and the "concave cup?". Is there anything you think its happening ?
Thank you very much and sorry for my englando :D
Sounds like you installed them incorrectly. Redo it.
10:38 My threads are also stripped out a bit on my bikes steerertube. Did you solve yours and is there a video of it?
I removed a headset washer, and that worked.
I ride this frame!
Hello,
I just bought a Peugeot P10 frame very similar to yours and I would like to know what type of headset they have. Just like yours, I have a grooved washer which is not the typical stuff you normally find on old french bicycles (they normally have a filed flat washer) and it's bothering because I don't want to make the (huge) mistake of buying a modern ISO/BSC headset while the steerer has a french threading. I will meticulously measure the outside diameter of the steerer and the inside diameter of the crown race but I would still like to have your opinion just for my own peace of mind. Thank you very much for your help.
It's whatever headset came with the bike. If your bike was made in France, you most likely have all the goofy French threading. Measure the stem diameter. If it's 22mm and not 22.2mm then it is French.
OK. Thanks for your answer. As a frenchman, it pisses me off that we pretty much only have french bicycles on our secondhand market. When it comes to restore your old french bicycle frame, you realise how annoying our standards have become ever since our bicycle industry has collapsed...
Yeah, I tend to steer away from French made bikes due to all the threading/size differences. It limits what can be done with them to a certain extent. I do have a really cool St Etienne bike out in the garage with Reynolds 531 tubing that I wish was my size. Cool bike.
Hey hello, you may be the one ho shows the parts of the headset the best way, so one knows now what to expect,... now I wonder, the bike shown uses parts that many times are hard to find and perhaps unique to the bike, ... so the question is if more resent generic bicycles are using the same set up or not, I ask because I am trying to design a tilting rickshaw, and I am planning to use the set up shown in this video for the tilting part.... many questions arise
The majority of bicycle parts seem to be standardised, plus you can always have adapters or new parts machined if all else fails.
+Robert Ostman Sizes on modern bikes have become more standard. Vintage French bikes had weird sizing and threading. Like a 22mm diameter quill stem where the more common size was 22.2mm. But then American made Schwinns had like 21.15mm stems.
I need instructions on the Isrean Peugeot
My fork doesnt just drop its stuck after removing top racers any idea how to get it off its jammed
Mayube you missing removing somethings. Or some other issue. Figure it out.
Please help me i cant remove my fork. I believe we have the same bike
Mafac racers. Cool!
why not tip bike upside down to prevent bearings from falling out?