“Know it all” aka JB is underrated!!! He’s not really underrated in our community. But you know what I mean. Us as enthusiasts wouldn’t be where we are with out him. JB is free gold! Thanks buddy for your past years of free knowledge and easily available! 👍🏻 Rock on JB! Appreciate.
@@steve_beatty I had the same kind of answer through other channels, we need to bare in mind that while he started as a hobbyist he's now turned into a professional (after all "this is his full time job), so now everything is money oriented. I cannot blame him, when you have to deal with hundreds of people asking 2 or 3 questions each, you need to find a way to not die. If I was him anyway, I would stop telling that I would help everyone for free, and clearly state that only paid questions would get an answer or patrons. It is not rude, it is just the truth and would avoid us to feel dismissed
I've held off from DJI waiting for this, and I'm sooo glad it's here; to be honest, I'm going with the Shark Byte simply because I don't like DJI's proprietary approach to everything; FPV has always been a real open-source environment, you could choose whatever components you wanted. Not so with DJI, it's their way or nothing, and I don't like that. Plus I already have good enough googles, it's a no-brainer for me.
Principles are great and I have to admit equipping a lot of my fleet with DJI left me feeling dirty, but I've been flying a year of HD whilst this was maturing. Even now this can't hold a candle to the initial DJI release. Unless you're on a budget, principles are the only reason to buy this over DJI. Even Steele has come over to the dark side.
Always happy with more competition but is this even open source in the slightest? We will see how many other companies start making components but I don't think this is open source.
Great review, I got the answers I needed. I've been looking at DJI alot in the recent months but I have huge issues with their company and the registration process and such. Plus the size of the VTX is more appealing to me compared to the DJI. I just cant justify buying DJI when I just bought goggles recently.
@@pooljunki1 DJI for the win, but yeah... it still is great that other brands are putting up a fight. Standing behind a company is a choice, being a fan of a company that works in the same way as Apple is another thing. They make great products, but when they have an absolute monopoly on the goggle/vrx system, there is no need to update beyond the superficial. You can expect higher and higher prices, for the same old shit in a new polish with that. They are on top, but when a top is reached, new limits are rarely a goal. For example, see Mt Himalaya. The absolute height in the world. At first a magnificient peak- now people stand in line for their meaningless photo at the top. And after that- no mountain is higher. = boring. Innovation is what keeps non-rock based stuff interesting. If you haven't got new goggles at the moment, DJI is a great choice to get the best. But if you've got great goggles and want something more out of them, why not do it that way. At least you can get other cameras from renowned brands. Also.. be gratefull some people don't like DJI. Timecop made the Naze32 to spite DJI, without that you wouldn't even have your hobby, and all hobby grade quads would be sluggish, locked down DJI propped tripods.
It looks better than most analog cameras (image quality. But that may depend a lot on the particular camera), but not a night and day difference. I'm just glad there's starting to be some legitimate competition. It looks worthwhile.
The other day I was flying with My fat shark attitudes and run cam and I was just blown away at how great my image was. Now granted it was a big open field but I try to tell myself I don't need much better than this. They really looked good
It's just breaking up differently, they both break up. DJI hides it's break up by blurring and artifacting the image, upping the latency and dropping frames. Shark Byte is breaking up more like analogue, i.e you get static, but it isn't dropping any frames and the latency is consistent. I guess it comes down to what you are looking for in your type of flying.
@Chris Holmes I agree with everything you say, mine was just a joke. I believe that if I were a racing driver and had already spent $ 700 on fatsharks plus various modules and antennas, I would now buy the Byte. But I do not correspond to this description and I found my ideal solution in DJI fpv, and I am not referring only to the image quality but above all to how they have rationalized and simplified all the steps. Personally I also switched to the use of the DJI remote control because I believe that the system gives its best in its complete configuration. With the remote control and the viewers with stock antennas I enjoy flying quietly in a radius of 2 km, and I could go even further, in nature and doing some freestyle. The truth is that DJI has changed an "old" fpv world and that pisses off a lot of people. If I think only of the improvements they will be able to make in a short time .... what will happen when they are implemented with a gps system? and when will they equip the cam with an electronic stabilizer ?! however one thing is certain, going up in the sky with these gadgets is a fantastic thing. In any case! enjoy.
Being able to direct output HDMI is super convenient compared to DJI where you have to buy the super expensive smart controller for that option. That said, I just don't see how this can even compare to DJI in quality or even cost after factoring in the need to have analog goggles to begin with. Plus, this is a whole 15 months after the DJI system was announced, certainly too little too late. Good to have potentially another option, but I just don't see who this is for.
@@obesesoldier1 people on analog who still didn't buy a dji system because it is too expensive. I see myself buying this in a near future with my existing analog goggles.
@@ikerpere9225 me too, once they make a 800 mw vtx for this I'm gonna consider it. Another unexplored possibility is streaming fpv flights live on twitch or youtube without having to hold a camera to a screen or carry that useless smart controller
I took a screen shot of each digital option where you were on top of the hill. NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER which one wins for image quality. One looks like HD footage, the other like an analogue DVR at low bitrate and resolution. Thanks for the video, my mind is made.
some additional things to think about... I have this and can confirm that in testing it does seem to play nice with others and doesn't stomp on your fellow analogue pilots, also it works directly with the laprf 8 way timer using the standard raceband channels and it has a usable hdmi out for spotting. Does it look as pretty as dji? No. does it address the issues dji has for racing? Yes this can only get better and I'm so happy that there is a working alternative to the dji system. *also the dvr seem to be a bit crappy which is a shame so its not really showing the full experience that you get in the goggles.
I've been searching "shark byte" with a 1 day filter like 4 times a day just waiting on someone who goes in depth to review this. The anticipation has been killing me! Thanks for getting this up!
The DJI system is much more advanced, here the results are evident. Paying to upgrade your fatshark doesn't pay. I prefer to have the whole DJI system, I have sold everything analog, thanks for your video!
Well if the latency stays in the 10s and low 20s it would be perfect for racing, though Dji might be more advanced, it is not at all suited for racing, while i see that shark byte 2 might be the way to go
I love how you extended the music into your intro, that was awesome! I also wanted to say your flying has gotten very good bud, i know you have had doubts about it in the past but i want to say it really has gotten very good. Badass review as always, thank you!
This new fatshark digital system looks so amazing. I actually held off buying the DJI system because I was hoping that they would make a fatshark version. But this is a bonus because I can use them with my existing goggles. Thanks JB for making great content. Your such a big figure in this community. “I definitely learned something today”!👍🏽
@@divingfalconfpv4602 I'm no pro but I race every weekend with other guys who also race with DJI. Way more enjoyable to race with than analogue as you can actually see where you're going and none of us notice any difference other than having a far better image.
@@Skankhunt-42- what about the variable lag??? ive seen it spike between 40-50 ms on some aggressive flights during difficult moves. That just totally kills it for me otherwise i would be right on it.
@@c47force15 It sits on 25 99% of the time. Especially racing. It's so close and no obstructions it stays within 2ms. The only time I've ever seen it at 40 is running high quality mode not low latency. I flew 3km away and it was still at 25-30ms. I don't understand what you mean by aggressive maneuvers? A maneuver doesn't affect latency. It's distance and obstructions that can affect it.
Thanks for the video Josh. Your quality and delivery is gold. When I saw the first FPV pilots at the local park they dropped your name as a place to learn it all. I'm glad they did. That was 3+ years ago
Competition is good for the consumer. That in and of itself is good. Looking forward to DJI, Fatshark and hopefully others to continue to push the technology envelope to help benefit this awesome hobby.
Great inteo and review, thanks Joshua. I think it looks pretty good, it's great to see Fatshark sticking with it. We're finally getting other options, we all win.
Thank you Josh, love your thinking and your opinion on fpv. I love your balance and honesty. It’s so hard making decisions when we have no shops or guidance in this sport.
Looking forward to seeing how this improves moving forward. I have 4 DJI setups but I flew analog before that long enough that I still enjoy the familiarity of a full OSD, the fit, fov and weight of my HDOs and the performance from my smaller quads that simply cannot be converted to digital. I will likely wait to see who gets smaller digital components to market first before investing in any more digital components at all. Barring any smashy smashy of course :)
I’m definitely planning to pick these up once they’re back in stock again. DJI goggles don’t have a wide enough IPD setting for me, and I already own HDO2 goggles. Can’t wait for the next time they come in stock. Here’s hoping they develop a 1W or 1200mW module with great range. That would be amazing.
Just a quick tip about the DJI goggles IPD range - switching between the stock faceplate foam and the newer dji thick foam substantially changes the effective IPD range. You might get usable results with different foam. I have them set near all the way out with one foam, and nearly all the way in with the other.
@@divingfalconfpv4602 I suspect it's more an issue of the transmission system, but we will see. The nebula got a quality "update" which meant having to at minimum replace the PCBs. I'm not too happy with Caddx making me buy replacements lol
@@obesesoldier1 i mean yea it sucks paying for new pcb upgrade. but hopefully fatshark/runcam will offer upgrade free since they trying to get market shares as the cheaper alternative
Great overview of Shark Byte. I own HDO2's and this looks like a good option for me. I'd like to see more proximity flying, see how it does going through your trees, can we more easily see branches vs analog. Happy flying Joshua 🤓
I think anyone, including myself, who own HDO2 this is a no brainer upgrade. This hobby is full of wasted money and this is a relatively cheap addition to the hobby.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for putting that up. Certainly looks better than what came through on YT, but a couple comments. 1. At the start when it's facing you at 0:19, there's some horrible artifacts as light is reflected off your shirt and arms causing a weird horizontal purplish smearing of light. It's like chromatic aberration from hell. The camera is really letting this system down. 2. Maybe don't try to clean the lens with your finger. Leaves an oily residue on the lens that causes smudgy looking sun flares (in addition to whatever is happening with #1). [edit]Was whatever you tried to wipe off, causing the purple fringing? I don't really see it come back as bad anywhere in the flight, but still handling sunlight on the lens really poorly. I've gotten so spoiled by the DJI camera.
The naked will work fine as long as it’s mounted against frame using the frame as the heat sync. Obviously you would have to make sure no electronic components contact the frame so ultra thin dual side acrylic tape needs to completely cover entire area in question.
Way to go Fatshark!! I wanna go digital but don't like the DJI price or the point that I need a whole new setup... I have multiple Fatsharks and radios, this option allows me to use gear I already have!! Also, given competition often pushes technology further faster and helps lower prices in the process....it's a good thing to have more than on company with a product "monopolizing on a product or service hurts everyone in the long run!!". Great vid Josh, look forward to seeing future break downs of this and tips/tricks there might be to using it!
Too expensive and not good enough. Can't afford DJIs and fly micros as well as 5", I'll stay on my HDO2 analogue. Feel kinda gutted. Fatshark aren't doing themselves any favours and seem to have roundly lost the race. Thanks Joshua, you're a legend.
You cant afford DJI and buy a HDO2 that cost more then the DJI goggle😅. And the HDO2 needs Module and Antennas too, so you need to spend another 100-150$ 🤣. I buy DJI at the first day it comes out. No dead air units till this day. I spend so much money on new analog stuff because it broke or overheat. So much lenses destroyed and and and. Not a single one with dji, because of the lens protection they sell with a separate glass and because i can see where i fly and dont need to guess if it fits to the narrow hole 😅
@@bricktopfpv7573 well done for getting the DJI. I'm glad you're proud of your purchase. You are making incorrect assumptions about why I got HDO2, let me clear that up for you. I already had HD3s, modules, antenna, 5 drones on analogue. I have a narrow IPD that the HDO2s were the first googles to fit. I don't know anyone locally with DJI goggs to try, so it would be a gamble. See? Individual choice is kinda complex. We're not all you. HD is better. I'm not saying it isn't. I would love a good HD system but right now, with Brexit and the pandemic, I can't opportunity-risk purchase DJI and I would still need my HDO2 to fly the micros. It's not good financial sense.
Dont get me wrong, i had HD3 with rapidfire and lots of stuff. But why u buy a HDO2 (its still analog signal, why should you need OLED displays 😅) and in the same sentence calling DJI too expensive (cant afford). I Sold my stuff and for my whoops and micros i slide a analog mod into a 3D printed holder, i can watch my analog friends and still fly my whoops in winter. For the goggle itself it has diop holder, so you can change the +/- like u want. In term of bad eyes the DJI soultion its much better, because of the big screen and you can change the size. For me its better, all friends with glasses say its better 😅
@@bricktopfpv7573 DJI system is £500 + £160 for air unit = £660, my HDO2 were £410. Using prices from UK sellers. I could afford £410, but not £660. Also, you still think you know more than you do. I don't wear glasses. I have negligible prescription. IPD is the distance between your eyes, not the focal range. I would need to try the DJI goggle on to know if they fit - whereas I knew the HDO2 would. I'm glad you're doing well with DJIs, I really am but you really don't know what you're talking about.
Yes, this is exactly what I want. Or at least it looks like it is well on its way there. If they are gonna open source it enough to have Foxeer cameras, TBS VTX and True-D modules then the sky's the limit;-)
I'm really hoping Tbs gets their feet wet with this one. They've mentioned multiple times they have no desire to start their own digital HD system but hopefully they're willing to hop on this.
@@ludmilpan I bought it last night :D check out other reviewers, they will tell you that the dvr footage sucks compared to what you're actually seeing in the goggles. This is also true for our other analogue units. This seems to have better coverage and range than regular analogue with better image quality also so for someone starting out it's great too.
As a racer I really like that I can just bring sharkbyte to a race and use it along with the analog quads. Also hoping they come out with an M3 20x20 version that will fit our race frames
I can only fly micros (living in a major metropolitan area) and already have HDO's. If the smaller transmitter is light enough (7 grams, hopefully with a UFL?), then this becomes a very appealing upgrade for at least half my fleet (quads greater than 75mm props).
Thanks for sharing, JB. But to answer your question... lol, no, just no. 😆 Awww.... didn't test the Shart Bite in "stock condition" without omni's on the goggles or the VTX. "Beta" isn't a "feature" such that "we can make it better"... it's who wants to pay money for an unfinished product, test it for us, and we may pull the plug on service/spares/parts/support at anytime. Ouch, $250 for the "promotional Beta version" plus 3x omni's, so $300 plus $500 HDO2/Orqa goggles. Ugh. Sure you "can" use this with any HDMI-ready goggle... however, it will look like crud unless the goggles can at least do 720p/60. This is only a temporary band-aid solution for people who already have one of those two top-tier-priced goggles (not "analog goggles" as those prices don't even include the $150 Rapidfire module and two antennas). $210 for the production video receiver, missing 2 antennas ($20-$40 for decent/better omni's) that looks like an afterthought added to $500 goggles, instead of $529 DJI goggles (frequently on sale for less). Nah. $90 for a a VTX without antenna, doesn't record 1080p, maxes out at 720/60, has video breakup, has no aluminum heatsink/enclosure, etc. instead of $80-$99 for Vista/Air Unit. Nah. Guessing $50 for the camera, as the top analog cams are $40'ish, rather than a 1080p/60 and 720p/120 camera for $60. Nah. Hard pass on all that. Why would you spend all that money to "convert all of your quads" when you could spend the same or less on Vista kits and get way better video quality and user friendliness? Doesn't make any sense. Just noticed that you talked about the 8 channels, which sound EXACTLY like a CLONE of DJI's channels and frequencies, including the channel order... then go on to say "ANOTHER major difference is that ShartBite is a video receiver only...."
Regardless of whether its better than dji or not, its good to see something that can even close to compete with DJI. Competition=Progress=Better products for us
Tweakracer you are my spirit animal, with that being said i ordered this because i already own hdo’s. I will most likely upgrade to the dji system by x-mas. For the crispier image and raw penetration. I hope i’m wrong.
the true appeal of the DJI system is the ecosystem. You don't have think that much about what googles, what cam, what controller, what receiver. I waited for analog before starting FPV, and god i love the VTX/RTX combo of the air unit. The controller isn't the best, especially for pinchers like me, but it's way good enough. The DJI googles are so confortable, and the menu navigation is so fluid, it's really a good point. What makes DJI win in my heart is the fact that it's easy. Everyhting technical in FPV is pretty hard to get, especially further you go down the rabbit hole, and DJI is just BNF 90% of the time. Also i hate the breackup on SharkByte, focus mode is a lifesaver on DJI.
plenty of standard box-goggles out there. I'm sure some of them have decent specs and HDMI in. I've got HDO2s and would probably prefer a decent box-goggle too.
I’m farsighted, with astigmatisms , the lenses that came with the goggles were for nearsighted eyes. I looked into lenses for my eyes and they were very pricey.
SB looks much better thru the headset. DVR not doing justice. Sharper and more detailed. Flew mine for the first time yesterday. Awesome, and no lag racing.
It only takes the first 3 seconds of this video to answer that question in terms of image quality. On the other hand, Fatshark probably doesn't have as close ties to the Chinese government as DJI.
Fatshark is a tiny company compared to DJI who are the world leader for consumer and industrial UAV tech. I doubt they have cost ties with any government, their annual revenue is like $7 million lol
Very compelling! I have both DJI and fatshark HDO analog, I can see myself having this as well, especially with the 200mw vtx for micros. I’ll wait a bit longer, but yeah, I’ll have it.
Bill, I also have have both DJI and HDO, and I would love to find a use case for the HDO considering how much I paid for them! But the Caddx Vista is small and light enough for small applications. Furthermore, you can de-case them if you need or want to. Check this out 2.5" quad with de-cased Vista. rotorbuilds.com/build/24656
I'll be honest i dont see this getting any better... DJI just have more money to throw at it. We need a CHEAPER alternative to both. Cheers JB for the honest review.
Yeah DJI needs to add an budget option as there FPV stuff is too expensive, I could see them making a full FPV setup e.g. goggles, camera and receiver (no radio) for about £400 that’s what they need to do in my opinion, maybe they would make the goggles cheaper but worse (to still get revenue from there higher priced one) if they would make this there FPV revenue would skyrocket in my opinion as most beginners can’t afford the highly expensive stuff.
Very fair and well made review! I love the intro and how the whole video looks. It is very special and apart from the other videos. I am sure that this system has a great future ahead. Camera companies and VTX manufacturers will start releasing products for it. I already wish they would release a micro cam with a bit a larger sensor and I am sure that we will see even further improvements. This system was a step I took to carry me over the scraggle season (winter) and most likely to the next DJI hardware update. Then I will do a new evaluation, which direction I will take. Thanks for the review! ✌️
While I commend fatshark for working on a digital system. I think it’s crazy that so many people have been in support of them because they are healthy for fpv as a hobby. Fatshark has had a track record of not listening to its users over issues like power buttons and better dvr. They have literally said that we know better than our consumers time and time again. Yet dji has not only been listening to its users but giving amazing software updates time and time again. Fat shark has already sold a digital system allowing users to buy into being a beta tester. I’m hoping that the new system is actually a decent product so at least we have options and a competitor to dji but honestly I despise fatshark. Also the attractive nature of product interoperability like analogue had with cameras vtx’s and receivers goes out the window if they keep updating the digital hardware that’s never out of ‘beta’.
Saying DJI listens to their users isn't the whole picture, yes they listen, but since they're a company and not an individual they have motive, which like most companies is money & control. Example: HDMI output. Yes your DJI HD goggles can do it, but it requires the purchase of a $750 DJI Smart Controller for that function.
@Russell Phelan Of course I know Fat Shark are in it for the money, but DJI are quite ruthless in this regard since they know people will stump up the money, lots buy DJI things no matter how expensive they make them.
@@licensetodrive9930 how many goggle iterations has fatshark put out with not much improved over the last generation. It took orqa making a goggle to force them to finally use nice panels and optics because they never cared to. And even then they did a bad job of shoving them in their normal shell where the lenses practically touch your eyeballs. And they’re still using the same shitty dvr from 5 years ago.
@Russell Phelan Since the FPV quad market is so relatively small to the GPS drone market yes it is a surprise they went this far creating an HD system, but given how much money it must have cost them I'm guessing they're not making as much return as their bread'n'butter GPS drones do, so they must have thought their developed wireless HD technology is usable in other areas they're looking at or already developing.
The DJI HD set doesn’t report anything back to DJI about your flights. It doesn’t have gps built into anything and doesn’t have telemetry. Not sure what you think it’s tracking....
JB you really need to adjust your valves on your lawn mower, otherwise your battery will break very soon (winter) because the starter pulls so much amp when the piston is compressing the air and it's not getting better over time :). If you done that, it will start very easily. Btw nice video and comparison :D greetings from germany ;)
The intro part made me cry... :D "i'm joshua Bardwell and you're gonna learn something today" after that intro speaking of David and Goliath and music was amazing :D
I got the dji goggles for £400 and the vista for 120 Think that's less than some hdo2's without the receiver...... Flog some quads Flog some goggles and receiver and have a superior experience with dji.... (yes you may have to wait for a sale, just a matter of time)
@@gmivisualsjason3729 I already have dji! It doesn't do everything I want it to though and shark byte will fill in those gaps and more. I like dji and for general fpv freestyle usage, it's probably the best option, but it's all whatever to me lol. I just want HD micros and HD racing and HD live streaming at this point.
Dang bro, this is definitely a great video. Been wanting to see more info on this product. Quite a few people on DroneNation have been waiting on this release. Thanks for taking the time an making this review.
I'm quite torn. On one hand I already have HDO2 goggles (Which I really like) and the variable latency of the DJI system bugs me but I can't ignore that image quality difference, the extra visibility of trees and powerlines. (And from the point of view of cost I missed the initial discount on Shark Byte so the value difference isn't huge when I consider the money I already have in my goggles) I think I'm going to have to wait until early next year to see if DJI come out with anything new. It's worth noting that, at least in my opinion, DJI is really a camera company at heart with a specialisation in aerial filming. I'm not sure if others would agree or disagree with me on that but that's how I've always seen them so it's no surprise that a high bar has been set to be beaten.
Analog also varies in latency by the way, the DJI goggles are just better and its full HD with the system, vrs paying all that money for inferior camera's and non HD headsets. DJI's camera is a monster and its the best thing I have ever flown.
@@joshuasterling2144 While analog will look to be variable in the same way that ByteFrost does due to the mismatch in camera and display refresh rates (By upto one frame), I don't think its comparable to the variability of the DJI system. The DJI system is variable over a longer period due to the resending of data and is based on the level if interference rather than random chance. Having said that audience mode should not vary with interference and should behave like analog / ByteFrost.
@@joshuasterling2144 To be honest I probably wouldn't notice the difference if it was double that! It just bugs me from an engineering perspective really. The main thing for me is whether or not I want to (Or can be bothered to!) switch goggles which is why I'm going to have to wait and see if DJI have a response for this.
I'm telling you, you will not notice the variable latency at all. I have zero issues ripping through proximity stuff when I use my buddy's dji, and that's after flying analog
I can not believe people are even suggesting this system is good. Hahaha it looks terrible. Dji has cleaner footage when I’m two miles away. Tell David to go look for a bigger rock
If there was no DJI than we would be all happy... But DJI is here and makes this product not really intetesting. Even the VTX is big. If it was small and super light than it was great for tootpicks and whoops. This product cant penetrate the market by all means. Not even with Peter the P
Not for me unfortunately, I have DJI and the HDMI is annoying but I honestly think dji will eventually bring out something cheap that will let us have a external display. I didn't think shark byte looked that bad until you put the dji on. I just can't get away from that dji video quality
I don't think this was ever going to make DJI users convert to SharkByte, I don't think that was what they were going for. It seems like FatShark are targeting those that already have analogue goggles, want to try digital but, don't want to spend (or can't afford) the money for the DJI system. I'm squarely in that position. Although, if money was no object, based on what I've seen so far... I'd choose the DJI system.
@@Temporal_Flux Agreed , from a analog goggle owner perspective it could be viable , but DJI is going to release something soon since I heard rumors of DJI Goggles stopping production.
Pretty impressive, Joshua! Fantastic testing! 😃 I don't have any money available for the hobby right now... LOL BUT I'm liking the way the market is moving!!! In a few months, after I finish buying tools and stuff for my workspace I guess this system is going to be much more mature... Then I'm going to be able to choose with more clarity. 😊 Anyway... Thanks for the video! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
The raw footage still looks so much like my analoge.... I don't see how this can be called HD. It's like the (fake-)HD from my aliexpress 5$ wifi camera... sort of SD blown up. I'll keep waiting for a 'real' competitor to the DJI fpv system :)
I don’t suspect anyone that watches JB would know or care, but the DJI HD set is great for fixed wing. May not be the best for racing quads but for wings and freestyle I would think it’s fine. At some point I might try the Shark Byte but the have a long way to go IMO...
I’ll stick with dji lol I get if your on a budget it’s good but we all know dji is always gonna win. This just means dji has to get their latency down which is a win for me!
The budget argument doesn't even work because decent goggles would add a substantial amount to the price. This is only viable for hardcore analog flyers who want digital with the same goggles, and the number of hardcore analog pilots is quickly diminishing.
@@switchflip9550 Concerns over DJI as a company. I think it may be overblown but he can continue to fly analog, not like it's being banned or something.
Dji has a lot of things right but it's not the same things fat shark has right. Dji has a lot to fix beyond latency issues to get their product to compete with fat shark (not because fat shark is better but because it's a different market). Fat shark has the latency advantage but it also has the size/weight advantage. You can't put dji HD in a tinywhoop. You CAN put shark byte in a tinywhoop. Shark byte also works with lap timers and doesnt need to transmit from the goggles, causing analog signals to get blown out. Because of this, shark byte is also much more suitable for spectator viewership and doesn't have an "audience" mode (which is good for racing). And on that note, shark byte also has an hdmi out built in whereas dji's hdmi out costs over $700. Dji has a lot of advantages over fat shark as well. I'm not saying fat shark is better. I'm just pointing out that both have room to coexist and it's gonna take a lot more than a latency fix from dji to blow fat shark out of the water. In fact, as it stands, it seems the main downside of shark byte is a lower quality video and less range. But as other companies will be developing better HD cameras (this runcam nano is quite a bit smaller than the dji camera) and other vtx's for the shark byte, I think there's a higher chance shark byte will start standing up to dji rather than the other way around. But regardless, as it stands, neither system can touch the other one.
why does the image look so bad? It looked hazy and hard to see, and the sun was blowing out the image, and the contrast was poor, and dynamic range was crummy. It looked a little worse than a normal analog runcam eagle 2. Maybe that can all be fixed with some camera tweaking. I do find that cameras default to settings that are far from ideal for fpv. As a short rant, there is a branch in front of my quad. There are camera settings that allow me to see that branch, and settings that make that branch invisible. I want the settings that allow me to see that branch. Yes, the colors may be a little off, dark shadows aren't dark, bright yellow flowers are dull grey, squirrels look like ducks, yeah i know, but I can see the branch.
If I were Fatshark, I would just paint some DJI's white, slap some stickers on it and start selling! Give the Chinese a taste of their own medicine! LOL
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I'm so broke from buying fpv stuff. I need to stop and enjoy what I got. I have what people call a impulse buy problem.
right there with you brother!! hahaha
Maybe one more quad for Christmas...
😭👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ok if you don't mind sending me one, Santa
Guilty 🙈
Fatshark finally delivering on that VHS quality we've been waiting for
Lol that’s the first thing I thought also when I saw the flight footage. 80’s VHS level quality.
most people will probably look past this AWESOME comment.
@@neojeets Try to watch the jb review on facebook using your smartphone.
Betamax?
might as well call them all Fatshark VHS goggles
“Know it all” aka JB is underrated!!! He’s not really underrated in our community. But you know what I mean. Us as enthusiasts wouldn’t be where we are with out him. JB is free gold! Thanks buddy for your past years of free knowledge and easily available! 👍🏻 Rock on JB! Appreciate.
@@steve_beatty I had the same kind of answer through other channels, we need to bare in mind that while he started as a hobbyist he's now turned into a professional (after all "this is his full time job), so now everything is money oriented. I cannot blame him, when you have to deal with hundreds of people asking 2 or 3 questions each, you need to find a way to not die. If I was him anyway, I would stop telling that I would help everyone for free, and clearly state that only paid questions would get an answer or patrons. It is not rude, it is just the truth and would avoid us to feel dismissed
Yes, if I am not mistaken We all love this dude , God bless yoo,,,,,,,
You should throw him a couple bucks
I'm glad I invested in the DJI system when I did 14 months ago; that's what I think after watching this video.
Also the conclusion for me, bro :)
Am I the only one who thinks this just looks like glorified analog compared to DJI? I can't even start to get excited about this...
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@@blessedfpv7357 Glorified is a bit of a far stretch lol
so confusing.... intuitive!
I've held off from DJI waiting for this, and I'm sooo glad it's here; to be honest, I'm going with the Shark Byte simply because I don't like DJI's proprietary approach to everything; FPV has always been a real open-source environment, you could choose whatever components you wanted. Not so with DJI, it's their way or nothing, and I don't like that. Plus I already have good enough googles, it's a no-brainer for me.
Principles are great and I have to admit equipping a lot of my fleet with DJI left me feeling dirty, but I've been flying a year of HD whilst this was maturing. Even now this can't hold a candle to the initial DJI release. Unless you're on a budget, principles are the only reason to buy this over DJI. Even Steele has come over to the dark side.
You are bringing it to the point,
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lol you're flying like a damn pilgrim on a trash system cause you think dji is evil.
Always happy with more competition but is this even open source in the slightest? We will see how many other companies start making components but I don't think this is open source.
@@NoName-hx4hm DJI *is* evil :) Or, at least, very annoying.
The way the music matches with the sun flickering at 2:22 is so satisfying
That outro was hilarious!!! My wife was sitting next to me and her face was priceless! Calm nerd talk to frantic panting is quite a dramatic switch.
Great review, I got the answers I needed. I've been looking at DJI alot in the recent months but I have huge issues with their company and the registration process and such. Plus the size of the VTX is more appealing to me compared to the DJI. I just cant justify buying DJI when I just bought goggles recently.
Wrong choice just saying dji for the win
@@pooljunki1 DJI for the win, but yeah... it still is great that other brands are putting up a fight. Standing behind a company is a choice, being a fan of a company that works in the same way as Apple is another thing. They make great products, but when they have an absolute monopoly on the goggle/vrx system, there is no need to update beyond the superficial. You can expect higher and higher prices, for the same old shit in a new polish with that. They are on top, but when a top is reached, new limits are rarely a goal.
For example, see Mt Himalaya. The absolute height in the world. At first a magnificient peak- now people stand in line for their meaningless photo at the top. And after that- no mountain is higher. = boring. Innovation is what keeps non-rock based stuff interesting.
If you haven't got new goggles at the moment, DJI is a great choice to get the best. But if you've got great goggles and want something more out of them, why not do it that way. At least you can get other cameras from renowned brands.
Also.. be gratefull some people don't like DJI. Timecop made the Naze32 to spite DJI, without that you wouldn't even have your hobby, and all hobby grade quads would be sluggish, locked down DJI propped tripods.
@@Mediamarked dude what are y spitting straight facts 💯
Finally! Will wait for the final version and probably get one. Thank you for your sincerity.
I love the ‘talking over the lawnmower’ part. Like a nice version of ‘chopper talk’ ;)
I'm going with shark byte over dji just because I love my hdo2's. Great video as usual!
it looks like analog, but with pixels
Hahaha
Great review, it felt like a well told story especially the narration at the start. Great work.
It looks better than most analog cameras (image quality. But that may depend a lot on the particular camera), but not a night and day difference. I'm just glad there's starting to be some legitimate competition. It looks worthwhile.
It’s no where near competition to dji on the video quality aspect tho
The other day I was flying with My fat shark attitudes and run cam and I was just blown away at how great my image was. Now granted it was a big open field but I try to tell myself I don't need much better than this. They really looked good
Great result! They managed to do digital with the quality of analog !! 😁
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It's just breaking up differently, they both break up. DJI hides it's break up by blurring and artifacting the image, upping the latency and dropping frames. Shark Byte is breaking up more like analogue, i.e you get static, but it isn't dropping any frames and the latency is consistent. I guess it comes down to what you are looking for in your type of flying.
@@cnwch1 the image quality is much worse overall, i dont mind the breakup. Its simply bad resolution and a bad camera too. Ill stay with DJI
@Chris Holmes I agree with everything you say, mine was just a joke. I believe that if I were a racing driver and had already spent $ 700 on fatsharks plus various modules and antennas, I would now buy the Byte. But I do not correspond to this description and I found my ideal solution in DJI fpv, and I am not referring only to the image quality but above all to how they have rationalized and simplified all the steps. Personally I also switched to the use of the DJI remote control because I believe that the system gives its best in its complete configuration. With the remote control and the viewers with stock antennas I enjoy flying quietly in a radius of 2 km, and I could go even further, in nature and doing some freestyle. The truth is that DJI has changed an "old" fpv world and that pisses off a lot of people. If I think only of the improvements they will be able to make in a short time .... what will happen when they are implemented with a gps system? and when will they equip the cam with an electronic stabilizer ?!
however one thing is certain, going up in the sky with these gadgets is a fantastic thing. In any case! enjoy.
The HDMI out is the main draw for me, I prefer to fly with a display. That being said the image from the DJI looks far superior.
Being able to direct output HDMI is super convenient compared to DJI where you have to buy the super expensive smart controller for that option. That said, I just don't see how this can even compare to DJI in quality or even cost after factoring in the need to have analog goggles to begin with. Plus, this is a whole 15 months after the DJI system was announced, certainly too little too late. Good to have potentially another option, but I just don't see who this is for.
@@obesesoldier1 people on analog who still didn't buy a dji system because it is too expensive. I see myself buying this in a near future with my existing analog goggles.
I hope that image quality can be improved by different camera.
@@ikerpere9225 me too, once they make a 800 mw vtx for this I'm gonna consider it. Another unexplored possibility is streaming fpv flights live on twitch or youtube without having to hold a camera to a screen or carry that useless smart controller
They are going to make a smaller board that can be used in whoops! That could be pretty cool
I took a screen shot of each digital option where you were on top of the hill. NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER which one wins for image quality. One looks like HD footage, the other like an analogue DVR at low bitrate and resolution. Thanks for the video, my mind is made.
some additional things to think about... I have this and can confirm that in testing it does seem to play nice with others and doesn't stomp on your fellow analogue pilots, also it works directly with the laprf 8 way timer using the standard raceband channels and it has a usable hdmi out for spotting. Does it look as pretty as dji? No. does it address the issues dji has for racing? Yes this can only get better and I'm so happy that there is a working alternative to the dji system. *also the dvr seem to be a bit crappy which is a shame so its not really showing the full experience that you get in the goggles.
I've been searching "shark byte" with a 1 day filter like 4 times a day just waiting on someone who goes in depth to review this. The anticipation has been killing me! Thanks for getting this up!
You and me both brother!
Me too!!
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The DJI system is much more advanced, here the results are evident. Paying to upgrade your fatshark doesn't pay. I prefer to have the whole DJI system, I have sold everything analog, thanks for your video!
Ah some one talking sense i am with you !!!
Well if the latency stays in the 10s and low 20s it would be perfect for racing, though Dji might be more advanced, it is not at all suited for racing, while i see that shark byte 2 might be the way to go
@@cr3at0rgamer67 so why just focus at racing. And any latency is negated by the fact you can actually see where your going. Have you tried it
Definitely dont plan on jumping in now, but glad there is competition and look forward to the future of non-DJI digital FPV!
Love my DJI goggles, but with this being able to hook up to a monitor it might be nice to have on hand.
I love how you extended the music into your intro, that was awesome! I also wanted to say your flying has gotten very good bud, i know you have had doubts about it in the past but i want to say it really has gotten very good. Badass review as always, thank you!
YAY! Someone finally released an HD system for drones that I would be willing to buy!
This new fatshark digital system looks so amazing. I actually held off buying the DJI system because I was hoping that they would make a fatshark version. But this is a bonus because I can use them with my existing goggles. Thanks JB for making great content. Your such a big figure in this community. “I definitely learned something today”!👍🏽
Well I'm definitely not regretting my DJI purchase.
I mean if u can afford dji and not racing, I think everyone including fatshark would say go dji
@@divingfalconfpv4602 I'm no pro but I race every weekend with other guys who also race with DJI. Way more enjoyable to race with than analogue as you can actually see where you're going and none of us notice any difference other than having a far better image.
@@Skankhunt-42- what about the variable lag??? ive seen it spike between 40-50 ms on some aggressive flights during difficult moves. That just totally kills it for me otherwise i would be right on it.
@@c47force15 It sits on 25 99% of the time. Especially racing. It's so close and no obstructions it stays within 2ms. The only time I've ever seen it at 40 is running high quality mode not low latency. I flew 3km away and it was still at 25-30ms. I don't understand what you mean by aggressive maneuvers? A maneuver doesn't affect latency. It's distance and obstructions that can affect it.
@@Skankhunt-42- hmmm... Cheers.. tbo my finger has been hovering over the buy button for the last week...
Competition will only help. Very happy to see this
Man that into had me emotionally PUMPED! JB your a legend! And I love the spooky ending.
Thanks for the video Josh. Your quality and delivery is gold. When I saw the first FPV pilots at the local park they dropped your name as a place to learn it all. I'm glad they did. That was 3+ years ago
Oh, boy, I thought the intro video is an old analog dvr to show the difference between the past and the present.
Competition is good for the consumer. That in and of itself is good. Looking forward to DJI, Fatshark and hopefully others to continue to push the technology envelope to help benefit this awesome hobby.
Mom that funny man with the spikey blind fold is outside talking to himself on a lawnmower again
Great inteo and review, thanks Joshua. I think it looks pretty good, it's great to see Fatshark sticking with it. We're finally getting other options, we all win.
Great, we have choice, analog, shark byte and DJI! I am personally waiting the end of 2021 for DJI V2. I know I am missing out but my wallet is happy!
Thank you Josh, love your thinking and your opinion on fpv. I love your balance and honesty. It’s so hard making decisions when we have no shops or guidance in this sport.
Looking forward to seeing how this improves moving forward. I have 4 DJI setups but I flew analog before that long enough that I still enjoy the familiarity of a full OSD, the fit, fov and weight of my HDOs and the performance from my smaller quads that simply cannot be converted to digital. I will likely wait to see who gets smaller digital components to market first before investing in any more digital components at all. Barring any smashy smashy of course :)
Fatshark has a whoop board!!!
Yeah, focus adjustment on the Attitude V6, lovely!
I’m definitely planning to pick these up once they’re back in stock again. DJI goggles don’t have a wide enough IPD setting for me, and I already own HDO2 goggles. Can’t wait for the next time they come in stock.
Here’s hoping they develop a 1W or 1200mW module with great range. That would be amazing.
Just a quick tip about the DJI goggles IPD range - switching between the stock faceplate foam and the newer dji thick foam substantially changes the effective IPD range. You might get usable results with different foam. I have them set near all the way out with one foam, and nearly all the way in with the other.
Likewise. My massive noggin needs a huge IPD. HDO2 is the only thing that comes close. I have it pushed right out and it is only just good enough.
I love the pureness of this system.
The multipathing is a reminder of how awesome it can be.
Can't wait to get one.. this is perfect for my flying and budget..
Great review, I appreciate the testing you did
The Frequencies used are exactly the same as the DJI system uses and I am happy with this decision from FS.
First thought is that the haze in the camera reminds me of the nebula camera!
It looks like slightly worse Nebula footage...
Same stats as nebula so imagine be the same. Probably like nebula will get quality updates
@@divingfalconfpv4602 no. lol
@@divingfalconfpv4602 I suspect it's more an issue of the transmission system, but we will see. The nebula got a quality "update" which meant having to at minimum replace the PCBs. I'm not too happy with Caddx making me buy replacements lol
@@obesesoldier1 i mean yea it sucks paying for new pcb upgrade. but hopefully fatshark/runcam will offer upgrade free since they trying to get market shares as the cheaper alternative
Good to see some competition for DJI, regular goggles didn't work well with my eyes so I'm happy to have the DJI system and goggles.
Great overview of Shark Byte. I own HDO2's and this looks like a good option for me. I'd like to see more proximity flying, see how it does going through your trees, can we more easily see branches vs analog. Happy flying Joshua 🤓
I put some of that prox flying in the intro flight for this reason. Check out the raw video linked in the description.
@@JoshuaBardwell just downloaded the raw video. Oh yes much better. 👍🤓 Thanks
I think anyone, including myself, who own HDO2 this is a no brainer upgrade. This hobby is full of wasted money and this is a relatively cheap addition to the hobby.
@@Acal51 until they update their hardware yet again? No thanks for buying it to being a beta tester
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for putting that up. Certainly looks better than what came through on YT, but a couple comments.
1. At the start when it's facing you at 0:19, there's some horrible artifacts as light is reflected off your shirt and arms causing a weird horizontal purplish smearing of light. It's like chromatic aberration from hell. The camera is really letting this system down.
2. Maybe don't try to clean the lens with your finger. Leaves an oily residue on the lens that causes smudgy looking sun flares (in addition to whatever is happening with #1).
[edit]Was whatever you tried to wipe off, causing the purple fringing? I don't really see it come back as bad anywhere in the flight, but still handling sunlight on the lens really poorly. I've gotten so spoiled by the DJI camera.
The naked will work fine as long as it’s mounted against frame using the frame as the heat sync. Obviously you would have to make sure no electronic components contact the frame so ultra thin dual side acrylic tape needs to completely cover entire area in question.
DJI unarguably has the best image. I'm still pretty exited for the Shark Byte, though!
Way to go Fatshark!! I wanna go digital but don't like the DJI price or the point that I need a whole new setup... I have multiple Fatsharks and radios, this option allows me to use gear I already have!! Also, given competition often pushes technology further faster and helps lower prices in the process....it's a good thing to have more than on company with a product "monopolizing on a product or service hurts everyone in the long run!!". Great vid Josh, look forward to seeing future break downs of this and tips/tricks there might be to using it!
Too expensive and not good enough. Can't afford DJIs and fly micros as well as 5", I'll stay on my HDO2 analogue. Feel kinda gutted. Fatshark aren't doing themselves any favours and seem to have roundly lost the race.
Thanks Joshua, you're a legend.
Lost and done a big poo on their own porch.
You cant afford DJI and buy a HDO2 that cost more then the DJI goggle😅. And the HDO2 needs Module and Antennas too, so you need to spend another 100-150$ 🤣.
I buy DJI at the first day it comes out. No dead air units till this day. I spend so much money on new analog stuff because it broke or overheat. So much lenses destroyed and and and. Not a single one with dji, because of the lens protection they sell with a separate glass and because i can see where i fly and dont need to guess if it fits to the narrow hole 😅
@@bricktopfpv7573 well done for getting the DJI. I'm glad you're proud of your purchase. You are making incorrect assumptions about why I got HDO2, let me clear that up for you.
I already had HD3s, modules, antenna, 5 drones on analogue. I have a narrow IPD that the HDO2s were the first googles to fit. I don't know anyone locally with DJI goggs to try, so it would be a gamble.
See? Individual choice is kinda complex. We're not all you.
HD is better. I'm not saying it isn't. I would love a good HD system but right now, with Brexit and the pandemic, I can't opportunity-risk purchase DJI and I would still need my HDO2 to fly the micros. It's not good financial sense.
Dont get me wrong, i had HD3 with rapidfire and lots of stuff. But why u buy a HDO2 (its still analog signal, why should you need OLED displays 😅) and in the same sentence calling DJI too expensive (cant afford).
I Sold my stuff and for my whoops and micros i slide a analog mod into a 3D printed holder, i can watch my analog friends and still fly my whoops in winter. For the goggle itself it has diop holder, so you can change the +/- like u want.
In term of bad eyes the DJI soultion its much better, because of the big screen and you can change the size. For me its better, all friends with glasses say its better 😅
@@bricktopfpv7573 DJI system is £500 + £160 for air unit = £660, my HDO2 were £410. Using prices from UK sellers. I could afford £410, but not £660.
Also, you still think you know more than you do. I don't wear glasses. I have negligible prescription. IPD is the distance between your eyes, not the focal range. I would need to try the DJI goggle on to know if they fit - whereas I knew the HDO2 would.
I'm glad you're doing well with DJIs, I really am but you really don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks for the thorough and entertaining review as per usual 😍♥️🔥
Yes, this is exactly what I want. Or at least it looks like it is well on its way there. If they are gonna open source it enough to have Foxeer cameras, TBS VTX and True-D modules then the sky's the limit;-)
I'm really hoping Tbs gets their feet wet with this one. They've mentioned multiple times they have no desire to start their own digital HD system but hopefully they're willing to hop on this.
Yes, yes, and yes!
wtf? who the f would want this?
@@ludmilpan me lol
@@ludmilpan I bought it last night :D check out other reviewers, they will tell you that the dvr footage sucks compared to what you're actually seeing in the goggles. This is also true for our other analogue units. This seems to have better coverage and range than regular analogue with better image quality also so for someone starting out it's great too.
Very cool. I’m interested in trying on my HDO2
I think this system is gonna shine in the race and whoops world. 5” world is gonna be a tough fight.
Too much weight for whoop racing still. But start going up a little from 65mm and it starts to look real promising
@@zachmachina I dunno, the single board's not bad: th-cam.com/video/NkmAXBKnLkY/w-d-xo.html
As a racer I really like that I can just bring sharkbyte to a race and use it along with the analog quads. Also hoping they come out with an M3 20x20 version that will fit our race frames
When this system will be available?
@@zachmachina we still haven't seen the single board 200 watt.
I can only fly micros (living in a major metropolitan area) and already have HDO's. If the smaller transmitter is light enough (7 grams, hopefully with a UFL?), then this becomes a very appealing upgrade for at least half my fleet (quads greater than 75mm props).
Thanks for sharing, JB. But to answer your question... lol, no, just no. 😆
Awww.... didn't test the Shart Bite in "stock condition" without omni's on the goggles or the VTX.
"Beta" isn't a "feature" such that "we can make it better"... it's who wants to pay money for an unfinished product, test it for us, and we may pull the plug on service/spares/parts/support at anytime.
Ouch, $250 for the "promotional Beta version" plus 3x omni's, so $300 plus $500 HDO2/Orqa goggles. Ugh. Sure you "can" use this with any HDMI-ready goggle... however, it will look like crud unless the goggles can at least do 720p/60. This is only a temporary band-aid solution for people who already have one of those two top-tier-priced goggles (not "analog goggles" as those prices don't even include the $150 Rapidfire module and two antennas).
$210 for the production video receiver, missing 2 antennas ($20-$40 for decent/better omni's) that looks like an afterthought added to $500 goggles, instead of $529 DJI goggles (frequently on sale for less). Nah.
$90 for a a VTX without antenna, doesn't record 1080p, maxes out at 720/60, has video breakup, has no aluminum heatsink/enclosure, etc. instead of $80-$99 for Vista/Air Unit. Nah.
Guessing $50 for the camera, as the top analog cams are $40'ish, rather than a 1080p/60 and 720p/120 camera for $60. Nah.
Hard pass on all that.
Why would you spend all that money to "convert all of your quads" when you could spend the same or less on Vista kits and get way better video quality and user friendliness? Doesn't make any sense.
Just noticed that you talked about the 8 channels, which sound EXACTLY like a CLONE of DJI's channels and frequencies, including the channel order... then go on to say "ANOTHER major difference is that ShartBite is a video receiver only...."
Regardless of whether its better than dji or not, its good to see something that can even close to compete with DJI. Competition=Progress=Better products for us
Tweakracer you are my spirit animal, with that being said i ordered this because i already own hdo’s. I will most likely upgrade to the dji system by x-mas. For the crispier image and raw penetration. I hope i’m wrong.
the true appeal of the DJI system is the ecosystem. You don't have think that much about what googles, what cam, what controller, what receiver. I waited for analog before starting FPV, and god i love the VTX/RTX combo of the air unit. The controller isn't the best, especially for pinchers like me, but it's way good enough. The DJI googles are so confortable, and the menu navigation is so fluid, it's really a good point. What makes DJI win in my heart is the fact that it's easy. Everyhting technical in FPV is pretty hard to get, especially further you go down the rabbit hole, and DJI is just BNF 90% of the time. Also i hate the breackup on SharkByte, focus mode is a lifesaver on DJI.
With my old eyes, I dig that you can wear dji over eyeglasses. I figure Fatshark digital will look the same as analog to me (w/o glasses).
On most goggles you can change the lens inside to have your correction in it :)
plenty of standard box-goggles out there. I'm sure some of them have decent specs and HDMI in. I've got HDO2s and would probably prefer a decent box-goggle too.
I use prescription diopters in my fatsharks.
I’m farsighted, with astigmatisms , the lenses that came with the goggles were for nearsighted eyes. I looked into lenses for my eyes and they were very pricey.
I use prescription dioptic inserts in my HD3 goggles, far far more comfortable than trying to wear glasses under goggles
SB looks much better thru the headset. DVR not doing justice. Sharper and more detailed. Flew mine for the first time yesterday. Awesome, and no lag racing.
the standard hdmi out is HUGE. This alone makes it beat the DJI system for me.
Nope
Love my Attitude V6 goggles just added Rapidfire finally so good for the price range!!!
It only takes the first 3 seconds of this video to answer that question in terms of image quality. On the other hand, Fatshark probably doesn't have as close ties to the Chinese government as DJI.
Fatshark is a tiny company compared to DJI who are the world leader for consumer and industrial UAV tech. I doubt they have cost ties with any government, their annual revenue is like $7 million lol
Very compelling! I have both DJI and fatshark HDO analog, I can see myself having this as well, especially with the 200mw vtx for micros. I’ll wait a bit longer, but yeah, I’ll have it.
Bill, I also have have both DJI and HDO, and I would love to find a use case for the HDO considering how much I paid for them! But the Caddx Vista is small and light enough for small applications. Furthermore, you can de-case them if you need or want to. Check this out 2.5" quad with de-cased Vista. rotorbuilds.com/build/24656
I'll be honest i dont see this getting any better... DJI just have more money to throw at it. We need a CHEAPER alternative to both.
Cheers JB for the honest review.
Yeah DJI needs to add an budget option as there FPV stuff is too expensive, I could see them making a full FPV setup e.g. goggles, camera and receiver (no radio) for about £400 that’s what they need to do in my opinion, maybe they would make the goggles cheaper but worse (to still get revenue from there higher priced one) if they would make this there FPV revenue would skyrocket in my opinion as most beginners can’t afford the highly expensive stuff.
Very fair and well made review! I love the intro and how the whole video looks. It is very special and apart from the other videos. I am sure that this system has a great future ahead. Camera companies and VTX manufacturers will start releasing products for it. I already wish they would release a micro cam with a bit a larger sensor and I am sure that we will see even further improvements. This system was a step I took to carry me over the scraggle season (winter) and most likely to the next DJI hardware update. Then I will do a new evaluation, which direction I will take. Thanks for the review! ✌️
While I commend fatshark for working on a digital system. I think it’s crazy that so many people have been in support of them because they are healthy for fpv as a hobby. Fatshark has had a track record of not listening to its users over issues like power buttons and better dvr. They have literally said that we know better than our consumers time and time again. Yet dji has not only been listening to its users but giving amazing software updates time and time again. Fat shark has already sold a digital system allowing users to buy into being a beta tester. I’m hoping that the new system is actually a decent product so at least we have options and a competitor to dji but honestly I despise fatshark. Also the attractive nature of product interoperability like analogue had with cameras vtx’s and receivers goes out the window if they keep updating the digital hardware that’s never out of ‘beta’.
Trueee this is what I’m sayin you see this blind and reasonless support a lot today in all areas in life
Saying DJI listens to their users isn't the whole picture, yes they listen, but since they're a company and not an individual they have motive, which like most companies is money & control.
Example: HDMI output.
Yes your DJI HD goggles can do it, but it requires the purchase of a $750 DJI Smart Controller for that function.
@Russell Phelan Of course I know Fat Shark are in it for the money, but DJI are quite ruthless in this regard since they know people will stump up the money, lots buy DJI things no matter how expensive they make them.
@@licensetodrive9930 how many goggle iterations has fatshark put out with not much improved over the last generation. It took orqa making a goggle to force them to finally use nice panels and optics because they never cared to. And even then they did a bad job of shoving them in their normal shell where the lenses practically touch your eyeballs. And they’re still using the same shitty dvr from 5 years ago.
@Russell Phelan Since the FPV quad market is so relatively small to the GPS drone market yes it is a surprise they went this far creating an HD system, but given how much money it must have cost them I'm guessing they're not making as much return as their bread'n'butter GPS drones do, so they must have thought their developed wireless HD technology is usable in other areas they're looking at or already developing.
Good on fatshark for making this!
Undeniably DJI has the best quality picture. However having DJI looking over my shoulder every time I fly is not a selling point. Save $ stay analog.
Bold of you to assume DJI wants to see you fly 🤷🏽♂️
@@NSDG813 DJI is always watching bro. It’s not about my crappy flying LOL.
The DJI HD set doesn’t report anything back to DJI about your flights. It doesn’t have gps built into anything and doesn’t have telemetry. Not sure what you think it’s tracking....
So you’re saying the FPV system tracks but a DJI spark doesn’t ?
JB you really need to adjust your valves on your lawn mower, otherwise your battery will break very soon (winter) because the starter pulls so much amp when the piston is compressing the air and it's not getting better over time :). If you done that, it will start very easily.
Btw nice video and comparison :D
greetings from germany ;)
I thought the same thing about the valves. Just did it to my tractor a few months ago. starts real easy now.
8:27 - The wiggle is useful for people who tilt their head forward when flying
Which is massive upgrade to the 1960s VHF television radio quality we had before.
It's nearly as good as my 1.2g analogue link, but of course I can spank it for range too...
Stayed for the Halloween ending, that was funny..
The intro part made me cry... :D "i'm joshua Bardwell and you're gonna learn something today" after that intro speaking of David and Goliath and music was amazing :D
Yep just right for me and my 16x9 Dom3s ,can’t afford £800.00 for the whole dji setup,£300.00 BARGIN!!
Bring it on !,, Thanks
I've got domv3's as well that I'm pumped to put this on. The 720p output makes me want to get goggles with a display higher than 480p though...
I got the dji goggles for £400 and the vista for 120
Think that's less than some hdo2's without the receiver......
Flog some quads
Flog some goggles and receiver and have a superior experience with dji.... (yes you may have to wait for a sale, just a matter of time)
@@gmivisualsjason3729 I already have dji! It doesn't do everything I want it to though and shark byte will fill in those gaps and more. I like dji and for general fpv freestyle usage, it's probably the best option, but it's all whatever to me lol. I just want HD micros and HD racing and HD live streaming at this point.
Narration at the beginning was top notch. Love it
Honestly this looks like the footage out of the caddx nebula v2. I replaced my nebula already with full size cameras... Can't really say I like this.
the nebula v2 is far better than that
Dang bro, this is definitely a great video. Been wanting to see more info on this product. Quite a few people on DroneNation have been waiting on this release. Thanks for taking the time an making this review.
I'm quite torn. On one hand I already have HDO2 goggles (Which I really like) and the variable latency of the DJI system bugs me but I can't ignore that image quality difference, the extra visibility of trees and powerlines. (And from the point of view of cost I missed the initial discount on Shark Byte so the value difference isn't huge when I consider the money I already have in my goggles) I think I'm going to have to wait until early next year to see if DJI come out with anything new.
It's worth noting that, at least in my opinion, DJI is really a camera company at heart with a specialisation in aerial filming. I'm not sure if others would agree or disagree with me on that but that's how I've always seen them so it's no surprise that a high bar has been set to be beaten.
Analog also varies in latency by the way, the DJI goggles are just better and its full HD with the system, vrs paying all that money for inferior camera's and non HD headsets. DJI's camera is a monster and its the best thing I have ever flown.
@@joshuasterling2144 While analog will look to be variable in the same way that ByteFrost does due to the mismatch in camera and display refresh rates (By upto one frame), I don't think its comparable to the variability of the DJI system. The DJI system is variable over a longer period due to the resending of data and is based on the level if interference rather than random chance. Having said that audience mode should not vary with interference and should behave like analog / ByteFrost.
@@yngndrw. With the exception of the most extreme use cases loosing 8-12 milliseconds is totally worth it.
@@joshuasterling2144 To be honest I probably wouldn't notice the difference if it was double that! It just bugs me from an engineering perspective really. The main thing for me is whether or not I want to (Or can be bothered to!) switch goggles which is why I'm going to have to wait and see if DJI have a response for this.
I'm telling you, you will not notice the variable latency at all. I have zero issues ripping through proximity stuff when I use my buddy's dji, and that's after flying analog
I do appreciate a good lawnmower but only while mowing not when I am trying to listen to someone LOL love your work thx as always
looks like analog but without a lot of static lol DJI is REAL HD
Yup, dji it is for me fine to start saving lol. Might catch a good Christmas deal
I can not believe people are even suggesting this system is good. Hahaha it looks terrible. Dji has cleaner footage when I’m two miles away. Tell David to go look for a bigger rock
I dont even consider 1080p HD nowadays. To me that's SD 4k is the new HD😅🤣
@@jonrock8278 this is not 1080, this is 720
If there was no DJI than we would be all happy...
But DJI is here and makes this product not really intetesting. Even the VTX is big. If it was small and super light than it was great for tootpicks and whoops. This product cant penetrate the market by all means. Not even with Peter the P
Great video Joshua! Thanks for the update and great information about Fat shark!
I snagged one before they went off GetFPV, it arrives tomorrow :)
I missed out because I was under the impression that it wasn't released yet, lol
Not for me unfortunately, I have DJI and the HDMI is annoying but I honestly think dji will eventually bring out something cheap that will let us have a external display. I didn't think shark byte looked that bad until you put the dji on. I just can't get away from that dji video quality
Yea, more reasons for me to stick with my DJI system, FatShark has a lot to improve
I don't think this was ever going to make DJI users convert to SharkByte, I don't think that was what they were going for. It seems like FatShark are targeting those that already have analogue goggles, want to try digital but, don't want to spend (or can't afford) the money for the DJI system. I'm squarely in that position. Although, if money was no object, based on what I've seen so far... I'd choose the DJI system.
@@Temporal_Flux Agreed , from a analog goggle owner perspective it could be viable , but DJI is going to release something soon since I heard rumors of DJI Goggles stopping production.
Pretty impressive, Joshua! Fantastic testing! 😃
I don't have any money available for the hobby right now... LOL BUT I'm liking the way the market is moving!!!
In a few months, after I finish buying tools and stuff for my workspace I guess this system is going to be much more mature... Then I'm going to be able to choose with more clarity. 😊
Anyway... Thanks for the video! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great comment......
@@gmivisualsjason3729 Thanks, my friend! 🖖😊
Josh come on that's really lazy with the lawn mower we can all use the exercise😉
I think as long as you already have goggles it's great and way better than DJI.
If I ever switch away from rapidfire, I'll put this in my HD2 T2
**gets on the tractor**
Ohhh man this gets better and better
The Machine never Lies 👍
The raw footage still looks so much like my analoge.... I don't see how this can be called HD. It's like the (fake-)HD from my aliexpress 5$ wifi camera... sort of SD blown up. I'll keep waiting for a 'real' competitor to the DJI fpv system :)
Tbs it's weird. I've seen other shark byte dvrs and it looked like proper HD there. No idea why it looks different on every video
A true competitor would be great! It will everyone honest and prices reasonable.
My build table keeps growing i cant stop
Great review, DJI for me: my eyes don’t want to suffer
I don’t suspect anyone that watches JB would know or care, but the DJI HD set is great for fixed wing. May not be the best for racing quads but for wings and freestyle I would think it’s fine. At some point I might try the Shark Byte but the have a long way to go IMO...
Did you mention the power output DJI was set to and I missed it? I assume 700mw?
There’s a mod for 1200w and it’s easy to do don’t even have to open the unit
@@Athispointwhocares Except the vista unit doesnt do 1200mW very well. Signal is even better with the full size AU at the same power as well.
Vista does 1200 mW just fine as long as it has airflow.
@@JoshuaBardwell By chance can you do a side-by-side image quality comparison and provide the raw video files?
@@Perceivedshift
I get the same, anything over 700mw on the vista and it performs worse. More smudgy image
Wow that’s awesome. I couldn’t see myself buying DJI setup. Fat shark is better choice for me.
I’ll stick with dji lol I get if your on a budget it’s good but we all know dji is always gonna win. This just means dji has to get their latency down which is a win for me!
The budget argument doesn't even work because decent goggles would add a substantial amount to the price. This is only viable for hardcore analog flyers who want digital with the same goggles, and the number of hardcore analog pilots is quickly diminishing.
I would give up ever flying HD before I bought a DJI system.
@@vhfgamer why
@@switchflip9550 Concerns over DJI as a company. I think it may be overblown but he can continue to fly analog, not like it's being banned or something.
Dji has a lot of things right but it's not the same things fat shark has right. Dji has a lot to fix beyond latency issues to get their product to compete with fat shark (not because fat shark is better but because it's a different market).
Fat shark has the latency advantage but it also has the size/weight advantage. You can't put dji HD in a tinywhoop. You CAN put shark byte in a tinywhoop. Shark byte also works with lap timers and doesnt need to transmit from the goggles, causing analog signals to get blown out. Because of this, shark byte is also much more suitable for spectator viewership and doesn't have an "audience" mode (which is good for racing). And on that note, shark byte also has an hdmi out built in whereas dji's hdmi out costs over $700.
Dji has a lot of advantages over fat shark as well. I'm not saying fat shark is better. I'm just pointing out that both have room to coexist and it's gonna take a lot more than a latency fix from dji to blow fat shark out of the water.
In fact, as it stands, it seems the main downside of shark byte is a lower quality video and less range.
But as other companies will be developing better HD cameras (this runcam nano is quite a bit smaller than the dji camera) and other vtx's for the shark byte, I think there's a higher chance shark byte will start standing up to dji rather than the other way around.
But regardless, as it stands, neither system can touch the other one.
It was better than i expected.
why does the image look so bad? It looked hazy and hard to see, and the sun was blowing out the image, and the contrast was poor, and dynamic range was crummy. It looked a little worse than a normal analog runcam eagle 2. Maybe that can all be fixed with some camera tweaking. I do find that cameras default to settings that are far from ideal for fpv. As a short rant, there is a branch in front of my quad. There are camera settings that allow me to see that branch, and settings that make that branch invisible. I want the settings that allow me to see that branch. Yes, the colors may be a little off, dark shadows aren't dark, bright yellow flowers are dull grey, squirrels look like ducks, yeah i know, but I can see the branch.
Nice! I love the lawnmower range test!
If I were Fatshark, I would just paint some DJI's white, slap some stickers on it and start selling! Give the Chinese a taste of their own medicine! LOL
: )
Fat shark is a Chinese company......
@@wingspinner210 EVEN BETTER!