Honda Pioneer 500 Torq Locker Install
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I know this is an old video, but the subject of the torqlocker is appropriate and timely as long as the P500 and P520 are around.
Jason is kind of corny and at times, is a real goofball. But he is an extremely talented goofball, and is not afraid to tackle those complicated modifications that some of us might never tackle. I might install the locker on my P500, but it will probably take me a week to do it - not four hours. Plus I have to find a place to hide all those leftover pieces after reassembly. 😭
I usually learn something new on almost every one of this guy's videos.
Thanks Jason, for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us Honda Pioneer 500 owners.
"Idahotruckman"
Haven't I seen that Pseudonym on the HondaSxS forum?
Just finish installing one on my 2018 Honda 500. Sure glad I had your video, it help so much. Thanks
Great video. Installed. Good detailed printed instructions and photos on Torq-Masters instructions by JWB clarified questions to reuse the Ring Gear Shims on the diff. case, and not reuse the Cone washers from the spider gears that are replaced by the locker assembly. Also, at 10:16, just pull the 4wd sensor wire slide connector off instead of removing the bolt and washer and twisting wire. Thanks for your channel.
Thanks for the video, My order is in and you took the guess work out of installing it for me!
Great video as always. Very informative on the disassembly and installation. I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of it.
Finally ! Honda should have done this from the factory. This is 99 percent of the reason I have never bought a Honda 4x4 because there all 3 wheel drive until lately
John Smith I had a 1999 model 350 Honda Rancher , it had the Range Rover front end diff that transferred power to the tire that had traction. This was factory, I’m just wondering why Honda stopped using this technology.
@Jeff Silberer
Probably to save some money. But, I agree that it sucks. I have a 2012 Foreman foot shift and it sucks having 3 wheel drive. It is irritating at times. I think they added the front diff lock option a few years after I bought mine. But, now I'm looking to get a side by side so I'm not too worried about it. I'm so torn between an older Razr or a Pioneer 500. I'm so leery about those belt-driven trannies.
Matthew, you need to look into CF Moto. They have CVTech Clutching FROM the factory. I've had mine for almost a year, on 30's, and it's never even though about smoking the belt in the deep shit. And I've had it in deep enough mud that my cods got muddy! Lol!
CFmoto is turning into a reputable company and I like the machines they are putting out. Especially with what comes standard for the price! I’ll have to see if I can get some time in a few for some reviews.
thanks for sharing this information, have learned many things from your demonstrations Only had this 500 one week, its a 2017 but all ready falling in love with it so to say thanks for sharing many things
I’m a new subscriber and I absolutely love your videos
So the Torq Locker is not a locker, but a clutchless limited slip.
I understand the frustration some people have regarding the limited availability of traction devices for the Pioneer 500, but I am slightly annoyed by the common perception that it's not a four wheel drive because the front diff is open. Four wheel drive means that all four wheels CAN be powered, not that they ARE at any given moment. Most 4x4 trucks have limited slip diffs (front and rear) from the factory, and even that is a relatively recent development. Just about every machine that is classically considered a 4x4 did in fact come stock with two open differentials. Twice as many as the P500.
If front/rear differential braking were possible with the Pioneer 500, one could employ the old 4x4 Honda four wheeler driver's trick of riding the front brake to stop the loose wheel from spinning. Not having a traction device isn't as big a deal when you can do that. I suppose you could ride the brake on a P500, but I expect you'd get too much resistance from the rear brakes to do much good.
Personally, I think a careful investment in a tire upgrade will net bigger traction gains than a differential traction device. That is, when compared to a stock machine.
The TORQ Locker is an automatic mechanical locker that replaces the stock spider gears. This style of locker has been around for the Jeep and truck world since the 1990's. A locker has many advantages compared to an open differential such as if you lift a wheel, the wheel on the ground will still have torque, and open diff will not. Also, if you get jammed up in logs, rocks, or slippery mud, a front open differential will only apply torque to one front wheel, with a TORQ Locker both front wheels always have torque while in 4WD.
I understand what lockers are, and I understand their advantages and disadvantages.
To address more accurately your description of how an open differential behaves, I will note that an open diff will apply ALL the torque to the fastest moving wheel. So if say, one wheel is in the air, no power from that axle will be directed toward the ground.
The behavior of the device as demonstrated at the end of the video is not at all what you describe in your comment, accepting the last sentence which is misleading by omission. I choose to believe that wasn't intentional. In the video the installed device acts just as a limited slip differential would, but uses a ratchet mechanism instead of a clutch pack as the original GM Posi-Trac had, and many modern devices still do. The fact that the video host could completely stop one wheel with his foot while ratcheting the other forward seems to contradict the claim that the differential is locked under the conditions shown.
Please don't misconstrue the tenor of my comments. I'm all for new products coming to the Pioneer 500 aftermarket, especially things like differential devices. There are many types of diff devices, and each has it's own positives and negatives. There are instances where a limited slip would be preferable to a locked diff. However, it doesn't do anyone any favors to confuse potential customers by not calling a spade a spade. If it locks the two wheels together, call it a locker. If it allows for a limited amount of slip between the two wheels, call it a limited-slip. If it does something else, be sure to describe what it does when you're pitching the product (for example, the Detroit locker does behave rather oddly compared to other products, and the manufacturer takes pains to explain that).
Personally, I'd like to see an option for the Pioneer 500 that would potentially require 5 levers (or a few more rocker switches) and three floor pedals. That's not likely to happen. So, hats off to manufacturers who are willing to invest in aftermarket equipment so that we might be better able to fine tune our vehicles to match our needs.
The TORQ Locker is a mechanical locker, similar to a Detroit Locker as that a Detroit Locker is also a mechanical locker. Mechanical lockers allow for wheel speed differentiation through ratcheting. While the Locker is ratcheting you still have torque to both axle shafts. A mechanical locker is not a Limited Slip Differential.
Here's our video showing the trail specific situations where a Locker will far out perform a Limited Slip Differential such as the Visco Lok, which is found in the front differentials of Can-Am UTV's and ATV's.
m.th-cam.com/video/rq_4ar3ai0o/w-d-xo.html#
For more information on automatic lockers check out Wikipedia or other reliable sources.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locking_differential
Torq-Masters Industries planning on getting one for my X3 base turbo. CanAm aught to just put your unit in their front diffs from the factory.
Tanana M the Torq locker works nothing like a limited slip. The reason I was able to hold the one tire and spin the other is because there was no power being sent to the front differential. When the P5 is in 4wd and power is being sent to the front wheels both wheel are lock and spinning 100% of the time just like you would have with a spool locker in the diff. The beauty of the torqlocker is that when in 2wd the wheels are able to “unlock” thanks to the ratcheting design of the Torq locker and make steering as easy as an open diff. With a spool locker steering would be just as hard in 2wd and it would be in 4wd. I realize that in the vid I didn’t do the best job of explaining how it work but I hope this helps...lol.
1st comment!!!!!!! I'm very excited to see how it works out. Durability is my main interest. Thanks for another great video.
It's not that bad a job because you sir are on the top of your game. I would never attempt that. Your video is excellent!
Thanks for the video. I look forward to your videos trying the locker out🇺🇸
Just ordered mine!
It’s absolutely worth it too! Makes the P5 near unstoppable as long as you don’t get high center.
Outstanding video Jason. Torque Master should give you a commission. 😉
Love the song! Hope that locker works for the new 520’s!!!!!!
From what I’ve seen and herd it will!
Very skilled mechanic enjoy watching your videos👍👍👍👍
I wonder if it would be more likely to kick into ratchet mode with a track kit and really not help much? Tracks being heavier and more "grippy" getting closer to the resistance to make it ratchet like when turning.
Almost a Christmas in July item. Might just be so by the time I order one for ours.
The pioneer just got a lot better.
i was stressed out watching you put it back together thinking you forgot the shims. maybe they machined it to not use them and i hope so.
You got it. The shims that were used to space the gears that are removed from the diff are not needed for the torq-locker
AppalachianMountainRiders awesome. ill be upgrading my p500 soon. thanks for your videos.
I was about to ask the same question the cone washer are they not needed where the pin goes through or am i seeing it work..
Nice work. A bit more than the average joe six pack will care to tackle.
very good informative video
They have been using this type of locker on Jeeps and trucks for years.
Yep. And Can-am side by sides to do away with the awful Visco lock
Like your videos but note NOT to unscrew the 4WD sensor at 10:30. The wire just pulls off. Unscrewing can twist and damage the sensor wire. Lesson learned after you made this video.
Great video
Interesting well back in the 1980’s a company created a device on the same principles for open diff 4X4’s and if my crotchety old memory serves I believers the same name and or company that make this device. Not a bad video if I ever buy a side by side it will be a Honda.
Brilliant video.
good work....
Does this bad boy work in the new ‘23 pioneer 520’s??! Love the videos.
Yes they do!
Nice job, Jason. You are knowledgable. I have a P-1000. When in 4x4 low, 4x4 Diff Lock, heavy load climbing out of hole, Diff Lock will pop out, then 1 second later SLAM back in. This happed 2 separate times last outing. Due to motion during pause, think problem is in both front and rear Diff Lock. Don't think this is a linkage problem. What might it be?
Great informative video 🤙⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ five stars ⭐️ buddy
Will this work on the pioneer 520
John Denver, is that you?? haha
Thought I was in church for a minute. 😂
Thanks for enlightening me on this product. Awesome instructional vid but please clean your Pioneer first for those of us suffering from Rupophobia :).
Can this be used on the rear to allow some slip when turning on the road? Mine is street legal.
Great video. First timer here going to attempt this install. Ordering part now. When pulling the front diff apart is there a gasket that will need replacing?
It says it will fit the big red, I wonder if it will fit the rincon?
Hi nice video. I have a question if one wheel is blocked the other ratchet. What will happen if one wheel is of the ground??
Same as if it was in 2wd, it won’t spin. In 4wd the tire off the ground will spin with the one on the ground. The Torq locker only allows for the front wheels to spin independently of each other when it’s NOT in 4wd.
Is there any impact on 2wd driving? Is it safe to travel down a road at 30mph, for example?
Can’t even tell it’s there when I’m 2wd unless you listen close enough to here the locker ratchet when turning
Why don't honda install that from the factory?
Think I will not be adding this to mine that's way to much work lol
awesome Video Jason! cant wait to order mine. Do you know what the retail price is?
$429 plus $10 shipping US
Not too bad for what it does for ya! Thanks Jason!
Awesome and informative video as always! Cant wait to get mine! Great job Jason!
Your P5 will be even more of a beast with this!! I’m jealous...lol.
AppalachianMountainRiders thanks Jason! Need to get some of those walker Evans next!
How turning with locker and did you tare one up
In 2wd you can’t tell a difference in turning the way you he locker is designed to ratchet to allow different wheel speed when no power is being sent to the front wheels. In 4wd though it is noticeably harder to steer if you don’t have power steering. If you are some one who rides in 4wd a lot I still recommend getting the Torq locker but highly recommend power steering as well.
Also your videos haven't been showing up on my feed?! I had to search for your recent vids
that was happening to a lot of channels. It was something on TH-cam’s end.
Does this affect the warranty??
Thank you Jason for a great video! Can you mention when time permits the size tires you are running and any rubbing issues if any? Thanks
27” with 9”wide up front and 11” wide out back. No rubbing but I also have 1.5” spacers
And TorqMasters said it fits the new Pioneer 520 also.
Yep. Front diff is identical!
@@AppalachianMountainRiders I just installed one in my 520 there was some loud clunking coming from the front diff in two wheel drive when turning on sugar sand. Drove it on paved road and became instantly obvious that its not disengaging ☹️.
When on the lift the driver wheel ratchets effortlessly the passenger not so much. When I can get it to ratchet its only for a few turns then a clunk and its locked. Mine was a little harder to put in, not as much space as you had was my impression. Any ideas? Thanks
Did you powder coat the coil over springs red?
The springs for the Walker Evans shocks came red
Hillbilly garage, NAH. There's no bathtub for transmission work. Unless you use the one in the house. That counts. Well done video.
C MH I do use the downstairs bath tub for cleaning parts in...lol. That’s no joke!
I have a 700-4,Do you know if there is a way to put some kind of turf mode on it. Kinda tired of tearing up the lawn.
Anything can be done but it would take some major modification. If you’re wanting to have a turf mode and stick with Honda your only option would be to get a Pioneer 1000 that has turf mode from the factory.
@@AppalachianMountainRiders Thanks for your reply. I was kinda hoping you knew of some kind of axle shaft coupling or something like that.
Enough gibber jabber get -ear done!
Great vid... Just curious, my machine makes a clunking noise when the gear shifts, manual or automatic. any suggestions on this?
Thanks
Dave
The most common cause of the “clunk” is its need of a simple clutch adjustment. It’s an easy do it your self job that takes about 5 mins to do. Luckily I have a video that shows how to do it😉
4 Things You Might Not Know About Your Honda Pioneer 500
th-cam.com/video/0i2PYH7RSGo/w-d-xo.html
@@AppalachianMountainRiders Awesome worked like a charm. Thanks for the informative vids and your delivery. Cheers Dave.
What's your handle on the forum?
Zachary Morris @jay_man81
You said that when one wheel starts to spin faster it will allow it to ratchet on itself, want that quickly grind those gear pieces down and then the locker goes out the window? how has it done since he posted this video last year?
Torq locker has been making this type of locker for Jeeps for many years. They hold up very well. Keep in mind it only ratchets when no power is being sent to the diff so there is not that much stress being put on the locker when it ratchets. My test vid was actually of a pre production locker that wasn’t heat treated for strength and even after my abuse for a couple months there was zero signs of wear. I have a heat treated production locker installed now and have not had a single hiccup with it.
Nice tutorial. I do, however, perceive you as being more than a novice mechanic. I've watched you buzz through many a project, even some that would slow a full time mechanic down..........unless you are struggling more than your videos illustrate, and you are editing out the trials and four letter words.
LOL...No editing trickery. Just have always had a nack for working on things. All self taught from tearing stuff apart, putting it back together, and seeing if it still runs🤣
@@AppalachianMountainRiders a natural mechanic then.👨🔧