Quick note! I don’t go into detail about what the different hours are or how to pray them because this focuses on forming the habit rather than the actual prayer. Thanks!
This is what I needed. I have been struggling so badly to keep up with the liturgy, and missing hours (especially evening prayer). I feel like the enemy keeps trying to confuse me and pull me away from the Divine Office. Thank you for this video.
another great video!! I recently subscribed to the magnificat since I like to write my notes within in during mass. Its been helpful for me as a catechumen.
Thank for another awesome video! Christian prayer does have a “select” amount of readings for the OOR towards the back of the book. It also has a two year scripture reading cyle which is really cool as well
It has a list of the non scriptural readings as well but those are harder to get a hold. But yes I have tried doing the psalmady with only the bible readings but I find it easier to listen to OOR in the car.
Sometimes I've done the Office of Readings, morning prayer, and mid-morning prayer all in one sitting. I don't find it overwhelming to do so as long as I have the time frame. It can feel nice to get it done without rushing. Sometimes I will also combine evening prayer and compline together. In St Aloysius Gonzaga's biography, it mentions that he and the clergy he was travelling with combined hours together when on the road out of convenience and necessity - so that they wouldn't have to stop walking as often. I also like to read the scripture passages for the other daytime prayers because I like the selection and how these tiny passage reminders connect to some theme of the day. It only takes about one or two minutes to do so. For those who find the office to intimidating to start with, I will say what I do - which helped me get started. Since I am not obligated, I use a longer personal psalm cycle. At the moment I use a 60 day psalm cycle. I will most often still recite the introit psalm and the compline psalm. For the other psalms I will recite the antiphon, then substitute a Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy, and then finish with the antiphon for each of them. I do the psalms from the 60 day cycle at whichever hour is most convenient to fit them in. The benefit of the 60 day psalm cycle is that it still gives you psalms everyday and allows you to recite extra ones as you wish since it is not too overbearing. I might switch to the 7 week or the 30 day cycle in the near future. But so far this works well for me. It makes sure that I still get the skeleton of the office. The heart is the psalms, which I am doing less of, but I get a deep joy when reciting them as I can do it very slowly. Maybe one day I will do the psalms as they are. I don't think my reasoning is pride, but due instead to knowing my own weaknesses. I am much more likely to recite the office on a bad and busy day if I have the option of skipping many of the psalms, and this allows me to do so while still keeping a bare minimum to prevent me from getting too lazy with it. Thanks for promoting the office. The office of readings has become my all time favourite, since it helps me to get in more scripture with the liturgical cycle of the Church - while getting a convenient writing by some saint or church father or doctor. The readings often even connect with the Mass readings of the day. If someone does the office of readings along with the readings of the Mass and the other passages of scripture from the liturgy of the hours, I think they end up reading 70% to 95% of the entire bible. I love it. That is the reason that I prefer the regular LOTH compared to the Ordinariate. I love the Ordinariate, but they have no patristics in their readings - and four long readings per day seems like too much. It was easier than the old divine office. But I personally think the Ordinariate office takes longer than the regular. There is an option in the North American version to substitute one of the readings with the office of readings, but personally I'd rather it just replace it. Yikes, that is a longer comment than I intended.
@@ConvincedCatholicism To my understanding, it synchronizes with the readings of the Mass cycle. The Office of Readings used to be much longer, but because the Church added the two year cycle of readings for daily Mass and the three year cycle for feast days, the amount of readings could be substantially reduced from that hour. There is about 30% of the Old Testament readings in the Mass, but it seems like the Office of Readings has most of the remaining OT. The Mass cycle has 90% of the gospel and 70% of the New Testament, so the Office of Readings covers what is missing there as well. I am not sure what is missing, but I know that it is very little. It is great to be a Catholic in these times where we have access to so much.
Great video I completely agree I currently pray on average 3 to 4 of hours and working my way up to 5. The one thing I would add is getting the daytime prayer book also published by CBPC because Christian prayer does not have it anyway. Also it is more portable to carry around than either CP or single volume of the 4 volume set. I leave CP at home and leave daytime prayer in my car.
Maybe you mentioned it and I just missed it, but there’s also a Daytime Prayer-only volume and Night Prayer-only volume. They’re handy to have. Great video!
My old Daughters of Saint Paul copy of the Office still gets use out of me, but I think I’m partial to the fact that it was born (printed 😂) the same year as me, 1983, (not that anyone needed to know this,) but I digress. Hopefully, the usage of that comma inside the closed parentheses was properly done, as I’m never sure how to do it. LoL Usage and Abusage video next, please? And then a series on punctuation and grammar 😂 jk
Very helpful video. I wish I'd watched it in the 1990s when I first purchased Christian Prayer. I like the Short Benedictine Breviary that is on the market now because it is a one volume Breviary with readings for every feast day. I wish Christian Prayer had the same feature. I purchased the 4 volume Divine Office. If I had it to do all over again, I would have purchased the 3 Volume Collins set. My favorite 1 volume Breviary with readings is the Anglican Breviary. It also has readings and hagiography for every feast day. The Short Benedictine Breviary is easier to use, however. With the yearly booklet, the Christian Prayer and Divine Office is also easier to use. So, I use the Anglican Office Book for the hours I pray, then use the Anglican Breviary for Readings and Hagiography. Since I like to have readings Morning and Evening, I read one from either the Divine Office, or from the Shorter Benedictine Breviary. I have the Melkite Publican's Prayer Book 4th Edition and the Coptic Agpeya as well. The great thing about having a Breviary is that a disabled old person like me can read psalms and scripture all day long. So, I don't watch TV anymore, though I do watch TH-cam.
Does the Qur'an feature at all in your devotions or belief system? Your tag suggests you are / were Shia. Would be interested to know how you meld all that together if that's the case. It seems like quite an eclectic mix already.
Of course. I loved being a Roman Catholic. My wife is a Roman Catholic from the Philippines. We raised are children to explore Catholicism and Shi'ite Islam. I converted to 12er Shi'ite Islam because of honest conclusions I made about early Christianity. I did not become a Sunni Muslim because I became convinced of the 12er Shi'ite Muslim view of Imamate. We consider Simon Peter to be a Saint, the First Imam of Jesus Christ, as Ali Ibn Talib is the 1st Imam of Muhammad. We ask saints to pray for us. When I go through the Breviary, of course I don't pray some of the prayers. What I do is pray the Psalms, and several of the Canticles. I read the scriptures, sermons, and hagiography. Of course, Wahabis don't believe Shi'ite Muslims are true Muslims despite the fact that we were around at the beginning. Wahabism came late. This is why groups like Al-Qaeda are just as likely to bomb a Shi'ite Mosque as a Church. There was a succession crisis after Muhammad passed from the scene. That family of Muhammad was threatened and sidelined by the Imperialists. Imam Ali finally became the 4th Caliph. He did not allow his sons, the grandsons of Muhammad by his wife Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, to fight in any of the wars fought offensively by the first three Caliphs. As the 4th Caliph, Imam Ali was murdered by a critic who did not like Ali's desire to avoid war. That allowed the Umayyad's, who had opposed Ali, to cease the Caliphate. It was the Umayyads that were conquerors. The progeny of Muhammad through Ali were slandered by the Umayyads from the Friday pulpit. The Abbasids defeated the Umayyads and this is when the classic period of Islam begins. The Sunnis emerge at this time. They accepted the first four Caliphs as Rightly Guided and reject the Umayyads. At the battle of Karbala , our 3rd Imam Ali plus over 70 male descendants of Muhammad were murdered by the 2nd Ummayad Caliph. 12er Shi'ite Muslims sought military or political power until the Safavid Emperor converted to 12er Shi'ite Islam. The Safavids allied with the Holy Roman Empire against the Turkish Caliphate. This is probably more than you wanted to know, but most in the West know very little about 12er Shi'ite Muslims. Lastly, the 7er Shi'ite Muslim sect formed the Fatimid Ismaili Shi'ite Caliphate after the demise of the Ummayad Caliphate in the Middle East. The Fatimids for most of their existence were allies of the Eastern Roman Empire.. I rehearsed the history above to give the reason I converted to the minority sect of Islam. Pax tecum.
@@AmericanShia786 Interesting, thanks! About 15 years ago I had an interest in Islam, and still have a couple of copies of the Qur'an. Most of the stuff I read was from a Sunni perspective. An exception, if I remember right, was a book called Images of Muhammad. I also read one on Islamic eschatology that had quite a lot of Shi'ite stuff in it. I was never able to square the theology of Christianity with Islam. Neither, it seems, was Francis of Assisi, whose Memoria is tomorrow.
If I hadn't bothered to learn about 12er Shi'ite Islam when I was studying Comparative Religion in the early 1990s, I would have remained a Christian as a Roman Catholic. That's what I was raised. Like many Roman Catholics in the chaos after Vatican (the problem being the application of that ecumenical council, not the council itself), I got caught on the fish hook of Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity at age 17 (1977). By 1985, I had become a Pentecostal with Wesleyan Holiness doctrine. After Bible School and a few years as an Elder in a local fellowship, Pentecostalism did not work for me anymore. I even had doubts about Christianity itself. I returned to the Roman Catholic Church of my youth. It was even more wonderful in my mid-30s then as a little kid in the late 1960s. Unfortunately, I just could not believe certain dogmas in Christianity anymore, right or wrong. Rather than be a hypocrite taking Holy Communion unworthily, I became a Shi'ite Muslim. I love the Shi'ite Muhammad. I couldn't reconcile myself to certain Sunni teachings about Muhammad. The Wahabi Muhammad is very scary. Like many 12er Shi'ite Muslims, I don't do much Dawah (evangelism). Rather, I will gently correct misconceptions. However, if someone is very much trying to convert me to their faith, then I will do Dawah, charitably. If someone wants to ask questions about Shi'ite Islam, I answer them without criticizing the faith of the other person. Jews, Christians, Samaritans, Druze, and possibly Zoroastrians and Mandaeans received writings from Prophets and Messengers of God and are considered People of the Book (divine logos) as a result. I am among those that believe Gautama Buddha is a Prophet, though not a Messenger like Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad. Krishna? Lao Tse? Who knows? I really like Guru Nanak who began what became Sikhism. He is too late to be a Prophet, but he is a good man. This is not the same as Indifferentism. I truly believe Shi'ite Islam is the 100% truth for our time. But, Prophets and Messengers taught the truth for their time as well. Even if the message becomes garbled over time, God will still love those who submit to him. I think this is a similar belief to Invincible Ignorance, except that Islam in the time of Muhammad saw Jews and Muslims as equals, as can be seen in the Chapter or Constitution of Medina. Iran became hardline in response to the 1953 CIA coup when the Shah was overthrown in 1979. However, even in hardline Iran, Christians and Muslims and Zoroastrians have guaranteed seats in the ruling body determined by elections. non-Muslims can either join the army or pay a tax and not serve. Thus, there are Christians in the Iranian army. Personally, I am conservative but not hardline. That would be like someone who would accept the New Mass but also attend the Extraordinary Mass in the Western Rite of the Roman Catholic Church. It is not forbidden for a 12er Shi'ite Muslim to have an artist representation of a Prophet or Messenger or Imam, so long as the picture (not statue) is not worshipped and the owner knows that isn't what the Prophet or Messenger or Imam really looked like. Thus, I have a diptych of the Blessed Mother and Child on one side and the adult Jesus Christ on the other. I do not place it where it would be in front of me when I make Salat. I won't write anymore unless asked. You will never see any debate or Criticism of The Roman Catholic Church.or other Ancient Churches or High Protestants from me, ever, in the comments on this channel. Pax.
Quick note! I don’t go into detail about what the different hours are or how to pray them because this focuses on forming the habit rather than the actual prayer. Thanks!
Thank you
This is what I needed. I have been struggling so badly to keep up with the liturgy, and missing hours (especially evening prayer). I feel like the enemy keeps trying to confuse me and pull me away from the Divine Office. Thank you for this video.
I hope your prayer journey improves and grows
another great video!! I recently subscribed to the magnificat since I like to write my notes within in during mass. Its been helpful for me as a catechumen.
Nice. The Magnificat is a great magazine
Thank for another awesome video! Christian prayer does have a “select” amount of readings for the OOR towards the back of the book. It also has a two year scripture reading cyle which is really cool as well
It has a list of the non scriptural readings as well but those are harder to get a hold. But yes I have tried doing the psalmady with only the bible readings but I find it easier to listen to OOR in the car.
Yes but I think those will get repetitive. They are also not the same as the LOTH so you won’t be in “unison”
Awesome! I can't wait for this!
Sometimes I've done the Office of Readings, morning prayer, and mid-morning prayer all in one sitting. I don't find it overwhelming to do so as long as I have the time frame. It can feel nice to get it done without rushing. Sometimes I will also combine evening prayer and compline together. In St Aloysius Gonzaga's biography, it mentions that he and the clergy he was travelling with combined hours together when on the road out of convenience and necessity - so that they wouldn't have to stop walking as often.
I also like to read the scripture passages for the other daytime prayers because I like the selection and how these tiny passage reminders connect to some theme of the day. It only takes about one or two minutes to do so.
For those who find the office to intimidating to start with, I will say what I do - which helped me get started. Since I am not obligated, I use a longer personal psalm cycle. At the moment I use a 60 day psalm cycle. I will most often still recite the introit psalm and the compline psalm. For the other psalms I will recite the antiphon, then substitute a Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy, and then finish with the antiphon for each of them. I do the psalms from the 60 day cycle at whichever hour is most convenient to fit them in.
The benefit of the 60 day psalm cycle is that it still gives you psalms everyday and allows you to recite extra ones as you wish since it is not too overbearing. I might switch to the 7 week or the 30 day cycle in the near future. But so far this works well for me. It makes sure that I still get the skeleton of the office. The heart is the psalms, which I am doing less of, but I get a deep joy when reciting them as I can do it very slowly. Maybe one day I will do the psalms as they are. I don't think my reasoning is pride, but due instead to knowing my own weaknesses. I am much more likely to recite the office on a bad and busy day if I have the option of skipping many of the psalms, and this allows me to do so while still keeping a bare minimum to prevent me from getting too lazy with it.
Thanks for promoting the office. The office of readings has become my all time favourite, since it helps me to get in more scripture with the liturgical cycle of the Church - while getting a convenient writing by some saint or church father or doctor. The readings often even connect with the Mass readings of the day. If someone does the office of readings along with the readings of the Mass and the other passages of scripture from the liturgy of the hours, I think they end up reading 70% to 95% of the entire bible. I love it.
That is the reason that I prefer the regular LOTH compared to the Ordinariate. I love the Ordinariate, but they have no patristics in their readings - and four long readings per day seems like too much. It was easier than the old divine office. But I personally think the Ordinariate office takes longer than the regular. There is an option in the North American version to substitute one of the readings with the office of readings, but personally I'd rather it just replace it. Yikes, that is a longer comment than I intended.
Had no idea about St. Aloysius. I was actually wondering how much of the bible is in the LOTHz
@@ConvincedCatholicism To my understanding, it synchronizes with the readings of the Mass cycle. The Office of Readings used to be much longer, but because the Church added the two year cycle of readings for daily Mass and the three year cycle for feast days, the amount of readings could be substantially reduced from that hour.
There is about 30% of the Old Testament readings in the Mass, but it seems like the Office of Readings has most of the remaining OT. The Mass cycle has 90% of the gospel and 70% of the New Testament, so the Office of Readings covers what is missing there as well. I am not sure what is missing, but I know that it is very little. It is great to be a Catholic in these times where we have access to so much.
Great video I completely agree I currently pray on average 3 to 4 of hours and working my way up to 5. The one thing I would add is getting the daytime prayer book also published by CBPC because Christian prayer does not have it anyway. Also it is more portable to carry around than either CP or single volume of the 4 volume set. I leave CP at home and leave daytime prayer in my car.
Smart move!
Maybe you mentioned it and I just missed it, but there’s also a Daytime Prayer-only volume and Night Prayer-only volume. They’re handy to have. Great video!
Yeah I forgot to mention it. Thanks!
My old Daughters of Saint Paul copy of the Office still gets use out of me, but I think I’m partial to the fact that it was born (printed 😂) the same year as me, 1983, (not that anyone needed to know this,) but I digress. Hopefully, the usage of that comma inside the closed parentheses was properly done, as I’m never sure how to do it. LoL Usage and Abusage video next, please? And then a series on punctuation and grammar 😂 jk
Very helpful video. I wish I'd watched it in the 1990s when I first purchased Christian Prayer.
I like the Short Benedictine Breviary that is on the market now because it is a one volume Breviary with readings for every feast day. I wish Christian Prayer had the same feature.
I purchased the 4 volume Divine Office. If I had it to do all over again, I would have purchased the 3 Volume Collins set.
My favorite 1 volume Breviary with readings is the Anglican Breviary. It also has readings and hagiography for every feast day. The Short Benedictine Breviary is easier to use, however. With the yearly booklet, the Christian Prayer and Divine Office is also easier to use.
So, I use the Anglican Office Book for the hours I pray, then use the Anglican Breviary for Readings and Hagiography. Since I like to have readings Morning and Evening, I read one from either the Divine Office, or from the Shorter Benedictine Breviary.
I have the Melkite Publican's Prayer Book 4th Edition and the Coptic Agpeya as well.
The great thing about having a Breviary is that a disabled old person like me can read psalms and scripture all day long. So, I don't watch TV anymore, though I do watch TH-cam.
Does the Qur'an feature at all in your devotions or belief system? Your tag suggests you are / were Shia. Would be interested to know how you meld all that together if that's the case. It seems like quite an eclectic mix already.
Curious as well
Of course. I loved being a Roman Catholic. My wife is a Roman Catholic from the Philippines. We raised are children to explore Catholicism and Shi'ite Islam.
I converted to 12er Shi'ite Islam because of honest conclusions I made about early Christianity. I did not become a Sunni Muslim because I became convinced of the 12er Shi'ite Muslim view of Imamate.
We consider Simon Peter to be a Saint, the First Imam of Jesus Christ, as Ali Ibn Talib is the 1st Imam of Muhammad.
We ask saints to pray for us.
When I go through the Breviary, of course I don't pray some of the prayers. What I do is pray the Psalms, and several of the Canticles. I read the scriptures, sermons, and hagiography.
Of course, Wahabis don't believe Shi'ite Muslims are true Muslims despite the fact that we were around at the beginning. Wahabism came late. This is why groups like Al-Qaeda are just as likely to bomb a Shi'ite Mosque as a Church.
There was a succession crisis after Muhammad passed from the scene. That family of Muhammad was threatened and sidelined by the Imperialists. Imam Ali finally became the 4th Caliph. He did not allow his sons, the grandsons of Muhammad by his wife Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, to fight in any of the wars fought offensively by the first three Caliphs.
As the 4th Caliph, Imam Ali was murdered by a critic who did not like Ali's desire to avoid war. That allowed the Umayyad's, who had opposed Ali, to cease the Caliphate. It was the Umayyads that were conquerors. The progeny of Muhammad through Ali were slandered by the Umayyads from the Friday pulpit.
The Abbasids defeated the Umayyads and this is when the classic period of Islam begins. The Sunnis emerge at this time. They accepted the first four Caliphs as Rightly Guided and reject the Umayyads.
At the battle of Karbala , our 3rd Imam Ali plus over 70 male descendants of Muhammad were murdered by the 2nd Ummayad Caliph. 12er Shi'ite Muslims sought military or political power until the Safavid Emperor converted to 12er Shi'ite Islam. The Safavids allied with the Holy Roman Empire against the Turkish Caliphate.
This is probably more than you wanted to know, but most in the West know very little about 12er Shi'ite Muslims.
Lastly, the 7er Shi'ite Muslim sect formed the Fatimid Ismaili Shi'ite Caliphate after the demise of the Ummayad Caliphate in the Middle East. The Fatimids for most of their existence were allies of the Eastern Roman Empire..
I rehearsed the history above to give the reason I converted to the minority sect of Islam.
Pax tecum.
@@AmericanShia786 Interesting, thanks! About 15 years ago I had an interest in Islam, and still have a couple of copies of the Qur'an. Most of the stuff I read was from a Sunni perspective. An exception, if I remember right, was a book called Images of Muhammad. I also read one on Islamic eschatology that had quite a lot of Shi'ite stuff in it. I was never able to square the theology of Christianity with Islam. Neither, it seems, was Francis of Assisi, whose Memoria is tomorrow.
If I hadn't bothered to learn about 12er Shi'ite Islam when I was studying Comparative Religion in the early 1990s, I would have remained a Christian as a Roman Catholic. That's what I was raised.
Like many Roman Catholics in the chaos after Vatican (the problem being the application of that ecumenical council, not the council itself), I got caught on the fish hook of Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity at age 17 (1977). By 1985, I had become a Pentecostal with Wesleyan Holiness doctrine. After Bible School and a few years as an Elder in a local fellowship, Pentecostalism did not work for me anymore. I even had doubts about Christianity itself. I returned to the Roman Catholic Church of my youth. It was even more wonderful in my mid-30s then as a little kid in the late 1960s.
Unfortunately, I just could not believe certain dogmas in Christianity anymore, right or wrong. Rather than be a hypocrite taking Holy Communion unworthily, I became a Shi'ite Muslim.
I love the Shi'ite Muhammad. I couldn't reconcile myself to certain Sunni teachings about Muhammad. The Wahabi Muhammad is very scary.
Like many 12er Shi'ite Muslims, I don't do much Dawah (evangelism). Rather, I will gently correct misconceptions. However, if someone is very much trying to convert me to their faith, then I will do Dawah, charitably. If someone wants to ask questions about Shi'ite Islam, I answer them without criticizing the faith of the other person.
Jews, Christians, Samaritans, Druze, and possibly Zoroastrians and Mandaeans received writings from Prophets and Messengers of God and are considered People of the Book (divine logos) as a result. I am among those that believe Gautama Buddha is a Prophet, though not a Messenger like Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad. Krishna? Lao Tse? Who knows? I really like Guru Nanak who began what became Sikhism. He is too late to be a Prophet, but he is a good man.
This is not the same as Indifferentism. I truly believe Shi'ite Islam is the 100% truth for our time. But, Prophets and Messengers taught the truth for their time as well. Even if the message becomes garbled over time, God will still love those who submit to him. I think this is a similar belief to Invincible Ignorance, except that Islam in the time of Muhammad saw Jews and Muslims as equals, as can be seen in the Chapter or Constitution of Medina. Iran became hardline in response to the 1953 CIA coup when the Shah was overthrown in 1979. However, even in hardline Iran, Christians and Muslims and Zoroastrians have guaranteed seats in the ruling body determined by elections. non-Muslims can either join the army or pay a tax and not serve. Thus, there are Christians in the Iranian army.
Personally, I am conservative but not hardline. That would be like someone who would accept the New Mass but also attend the Extraordinary Mass in the Western Rite of the Roman Catholic Church.
It is not forbidden for a 12er Shi'ite Muslim to have an artist representation of a Prophet or Messenger or Imam, so long as the picture (not statue) is not worshipped and the owner knows that isn't what the Prophet or Messenger or Imam really looked like. Thus, I have a diptych of the Blessed Mother and Child on one side and the adult Jesus Christ on the other. I do not place it where it would be in front of me when I make Salat.
I won't write anymore unless asked. You will never see any debate or Criticism of The Roman Catholic Church.or other Ancient Churches or High Protestants from me, ever, in the comments on this channel.
Pax.