TRUTH about the Bay of Pigs - Forgotten History
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- When John F. Kennedy took the oath of office as president of the United States, he inherited a very dangerous world. The Cold War was at its height, Cuba had turned communist under Fidel Castro, and the Soviet Union was increasing its presence just under 90 miles off the coast of Florida. The failure of the CIA backed invasion reduced the image of American power in its own hemisphere, created a communist hero out of Fidel Castro, and emboldened the Soviet Union to make even greater gains into the Caribbean, especially in Cuba challenging American power which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Hosted by Colin D. Heaton. Forgotten History is a 10th Legion Pictures Production.
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“Above the Reich: Deadly Dogfights, Blistering Bombing Raids and Other War Stories from the Greatest American Air Heroes of World War II, in Their Own Words” (Caliber-Penguin Random House 2021) by Colin D. Heaton and Anne Marie Lewis.
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Kind of hard to retake an island when they are undermand, out gunned and had no naval and air support. If you're going to invade, invade properly or not at all.
Exactly LeMay's and Ridgeway's points. Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Lemay suggested shooting down a passenger plane over Cuba and blame them to fully invade.
The Aeroflot jet over Tehran that engaged in evasive maneuvers when an F-35 was ghosting them had cameras on their fuselage externally and saw the invisible to radar jet as they were transmitting their secure passwords and call signs to safely transit Tehran airspace, over analog phones. Israel would've loved a Russia/Iran war over a shot down pax plane. The Ukraine pax plane that Tehran shot down was not flying through, but had taken off nearby, already in the hot zone and transmitting civilian call signs.
He he he he N0 other country vassals have gotten this kind of arm, tanks, planes, ships, plenty of food, etc. Fidel Castro began his fight with just a few men ‘n some large weapons! The Contras in Nicaragua got just some plane to supply weapons (0ne was shot down) N0 tanks, N0 fight planes, N0 war ships! (Just Cocaine, Ronal Reagan president)
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNELGen LeMay was a war criminal by Nuremberg standards.
My understanding was that there was no delusion was that the military invasion was ever going to be able to unseat the communist government. The delusion was that the people of Cuba would rise up and join the forces of invasion and throw off the communists.
It was supposed to be the spark that fomented revolution. Or counter-revolution, if you will.
America had put missiles in Turkey before Russia put missiles in Cuba. I think this is always conveniently overlooked
And the secret deal to remove those missiles and promise not to invade Cuba is also overlooked.
It was a sober, deescalating deal by both sides. And the American narrative is that they stared down the Commies and they blinked first.
It was not overlooked. You over generalize. That was Nikita’s point. What you overlooked is that when Nikita backed down Fidel called Nikita a homo.
the Soviets were on the move to swallow up IN ANY MANNER, not protect, countries, thus citizens
Fair call.
Couldn't agree more. One has to wonder what our illustrious leaders were thinking at the time to have not foreseen a calculated Soviet response...chess vs. checkers?
I was in the Army when that happened and stationed where the invaders were recruited. The worst part was the invaders were told there was a carrier out in the ocean waiting to assist the attack but was never called into action and the invaders were left without air support. A good you tube presentation.
The US did the same to the South African army in the Angolan war. Left them stranded in enemy territory without the promised support from the US navy.
@@gvr6079The exile invaders were never promised support by JFK.
Do you really believe that?
@@edprince9079well they never did get any air support, so what is there to not believe?
@@goedelite Oh? That is why the pilots of the Invaders (listed at that time as B-26 but actually A-26) went along with having defensive armament removed from their planes, the Americans would fly fighter support.
All I know as a Cuban who was there-we were screwed
The operation was set up to fail by Alan Dulles, chief of CIA. Read “The Devil’s Chessboard” by David Talbot.
Sabes poco y lamentas mucho!!
@@estebancorral5151 quizá pero la historia me absolverá
@@laf43777 otra vez por saber poco. Absolución viene de Dios no por la historia.
Por eso votamos Republicano.
When history is censored, posterity loses.
This is the kind of documentary I've been searching for, no profanity and cursing, I don't need to hear it to understand anything, thank you very much
Lol no “profanity and cursing “ 🤓
Yes, I agree. Many people do not appreciate profanity. Why do so many think they have to be a "gutter mouth" to express their ideas.
@@karen-leelamb1097 ~ Blame Howard Stern 😑👎
That is awesome that you had the fortune of interviewing Matthew Ridgway,. He is THE hero of Korea and is one of the least known yet best Generals in the Twentieth century
Colin interviewed over 400 exceptional military people. His first meeting in 1978 was with Omar Bradley. Many followed. Thanks for watching.
Was there an interview with Vernon Walters?
This is the best history channel ever
This episode and the "counsel" that JFK received generally from his cabinet and National Security advisors would go on to become a classic case study in the social psychology "risky shift" phenomenon. Essentially the tendency for group members to advocate for actions that are riskier than they tend to support individually due to "diffusion of responsibility".
--- CORRECT . . . each unworldly dullard (ignorant of Cuban culture, Cuban patriotism, etc. ) seems to have hoped to be the baby-daddy of an "Anti-communist victory" in re-enslaving the Cubans, all whilst ignorant of the fact that the Cubans would prefer their own extinction to reabsorption to the American Empire; Castro ordered the nuking of the invaders, but. . . .
I learned it as “groupthink” but risky shit works.
My dad was supposed to be in the second wave of the invasion but was cancelled
Imagine has he been, glad he made it out safe.
Mine, too! USMC San Diego. He told me his commander had the orders on his desk, ready to go.
We must not forget the historical context of the time that this occurred. The CIA had carried out a number of successful coups using rather hair brained ideas. Cuba proved to be different than the others, we need to give some credit to Castro rather than just highlighting US incompetence.
No credit to Castro. Period.
I knew a cuban man that was fighting at the bay of pigs, a very nice soul was he!!😮💯🤍👍!
Thanks for watching.
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Thanks. Very interesting, as there are many "versions" of this battle, many don't have the background information that you have included.
Thanks for watching.
Type in L. Fletcher Prouty explains the Bay Of Pigs and Vietnam. Prouty was in the pentagon from 1955-1964. His job title was Chief Of Supply For The Clandestine Operations Of The CIA.
That was a very revealing synopsis of an utter disaster. It's hard to believe how almost no secrecy surrounded the mission and the experienced advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was dismissed. I've recently done a bit of reading on Mr. Rusk and just how unpopular he was after leaving the office of Secretary of State.
Political influence in operations like this always took precedence up until the fiasco under President George H. Bush's attempt to rescue the Iranian hostages in the desert and the "from what I was told" helicopter prop wash kicking up sand and fouling the engines leading to the mission's failure.
Thanks for watching.
The hostage rescue was Jimmy Carter. Thanks for watching.
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That's right. Had a senior moment there.
The CIA, etc., wanted it leaked -- to embarrass Kennedy and US, in general.
One very important fact needs to be added for context: the US had missiles near the Soviet Union first. Their adding missiles to Cuba was in response to that.
Turkey was a NATO ally and therefore no violation. The USSR had surface launched missile carriers in Poland, Bulgaria, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania bordering West German, Austria and within strike range of western Europe and the Balkans.
I don't understand why in Korea and in Vietnam the US wasn't afraid to intervene militarily, but in cuba, which was much more of threat to the US, they were afraid of starting a war with the Soviets.
America had millions of Koreans and Vietnamese fighting the communists. And had functioning governments to assist. South Korea still exists 75 years later.
In Korea the North invaded the South and it was a war backed by the UN. I believe the seat on The Security Council was held by The Nationalists and not the Communists.
But were afraid to invade North Vietnam.
Because they where not going too win that war
Here's a little unknown fact for you those missiles were ready to be used against us
Can you do a show on the 360,000 South Koreans who fought in the Vietnam War please.
My uncle was Marine Corps Recon in 1966. I was 8 years old when he was wounded and the uniforms came to our house to notify my mother. He has never said much about his time in Vietnam but he did tell us about how the ROKs were nothing but total badasses. They were known for bringing hell down on prisoners.
Very possibly. Thanks for watching.
Good call! Get's me wondering if there is anything more to the Catholic or maybe Jesuit connections with leadership coupled with the two sided nature of what targets internally whether right or wrong, like as noted with the documentary The Man Nobody Knew where is shown like special forces trained as well as appears to have created the hamlets and the Viet Cong. On that later special forces note, I've also read where the WW2 POW were sent over to Vietnam to get rid of due to their nature as being so aggressively dangerous and irreversibly brain damaged inbreeds and narcotics addicts that were untrustworthy. Seems I read that in French or from French reports somewhere over the years, maybe up at Tech.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNELyes. please do.
I would also like to see that.
So I guess that didn't earn Kennedy any brownie points with the CIA.
Thanks for watching.
Obvious, as of November, 1963.
Correct. CIA And Johnson had him killed.
@@joelspaulding5964oooooo, shots fired! Shots fired!
I did work for a Bay of Pigs veteran years back. He had a great life story, including time in prison under Castro. Cuba supporters have an uncanny ability to deny history. My customer was not a Kennedy fan.
Thanks for watching.
When I was living in the east Tampa suburbs I would get coffee and meals at a small cafe owned by an honest-to-goodness Cuban refugee. He was there with some family and his face lit up and he began laughing in a mix of cuss words in English and Spanish. He had all of his family members and had them all take pictures of my shirt. It was a gray shirt but the traditional Che pose but MUERTO! stamped across the shirt. I think he was going to give me a gift certificate but he got a call and had to run. His daughter said he's usually grumpy in the morning (it was tax season) but you made his day. He had everyone text or email everyone they knew and they cut & pasted the image on the net to everyone (most) in his Facebook friends list. Now if he only owned a gun store! I met immigrants who love America more than most natural-born Americans who say they do.
Most anti-Kennedy Cubans don't have a full understanding of the serious WW 3 implications of those precarious Missiles of October days in 1962.
@@FilthyAngryIrishPeasant I can help but wonder if it was the Cuban breakfast restaurant on 7th Avenue and Orient Rd. I grew up in Brandon. Family and friends are still there.
PS that shirt sounds badass.
Because JFK micro managed most of those bad decisions LeMay is cursing about in this.
This incident in my opinion is a direct reflection of how our government views and treats veterans and citizens in general. Evil always shows and tell its hand.
Again an awesome video. 💥💯💎👍
Appreciated. Thanks for watching.
Enjoyed the video. The B-26s used were actually Douglas A-26s (later redesignated B-26), not the Martin B-26 or Douglas A-20 as shown in the video.
Noted. Thanks for the correction
BINGO! Thank you! Later in the Vietnam War the B-26 was returned to A-26 so that the King of Thailand could tell his people that there weren't any American bombers in Thailand!? Right.
Thanks for redoing this video, this and the original are informative and the kind of information people should be allowed to freely have access to
I agree. We still have no reasonable explanation from YT why the censored the original
I never knew just how much the Alabama Air National Guard played a role in the Kennedy/Khrushchev years. I was around 3 years old when my dad was sent to France, with the AANG for 18 months. They were there in support of the Berlin Airlift. What I knew of the AANG was their supply planes. It was only in the last year that I learned of their fighter capabilities. I was born in Birmingham. It wasn't until this video did I learn of the role some of B'ham's citizens and and the AANG played in the Bay of Pigs.
Thanks for watching.
A history professor who cannot pronounce posthumously?
Anyone who would trust the word of Curtis Lemay, one of the men who killed Kennedy, is a fascist fraud.
Kennedy did not approve Operation Mongoose. He had no knowledge of it, as it was a secret agency program.
It failed just like Bay of Pigs, BY DESIGN!
Tell Tuberville to let the Pentagon promote all those in line for their last post before retirement. He wants the NASA air support from CO moved to Alabama, even though he lives in FL. Holding military families hostage for personal gain is an evangelical thing, they love to hoard. DC-3s were used for the Berlin Airlift. They can takeoff/land on short runways, even grass runways.
Thanks for putting together this unflattering but important piece of “Camelot”.
Great video. Thanks also for showing the oval office photo at 9:40. That's my godfather, CNO George Anderson. He, LeMay and the other high-ranking military were wary of Kennedy from the beginning. All of them detested McNamara. Anderson was offered the Portuguese ambassadorship if he quietly left the navy, if I recall. Coincidentally, my father knew Anderson (childhood friend) and was Jim Donovan's law partner in 1962.
McNamara was the only "Whiz Kid" of WW2 who was a "D." He made a MESS out of Ford before moving on to greater messes. (4 door T-bird and sport edition of the Falcon were his brainstorms.)
Jim Donovan as in the OSS?
That was "Wild Bill Donovan" of OSS fame. I mention James B. because he was picked in 1962 to mediate the swap between the U.S. and the USSR involving Gary Powers and a Soviet spy held by us. Tom Hanks plays him in the movie.@@BonnieHaynes-gg4nk
@@wolteraartsma1290McNamara got Soldiers killed, while continuing his genocide of the Vietnamese population. The Ho-Chi Minh trail bombing was his brilliant idea. What grade A a-hole.
MK Ultra would be an excellent topic. Bravo on the video.
We have an episode on MK Ultra. Please check it out.
Just as good. Thanks again and have a great day.
Thanks for watching.
Another example of how incompetent McNamara was. Not a favorite of mine.
He was a criminal piece of----- put the word of your choice here!
LeMay was not a fan. Read his entire interview in Colin's book, Above the Reich. He hated "Strange."Thanks for watching.
Robert Strange McNamara was Council on Foreign Relations (Shadows of Power the council on foreign relations and the American decline) by James Perloff has the membership list from Foreign Affairs and Fritz Springmeier said in Illuminati Bloodlines (Reynolds chapter) that CFR is the fourth degree level of the Illuminati.
He had previously been head honcho of a major American Auto company...why he was used as a strategist, is a mystery to me!
TH-cam is so afraid of the truth.
Seems that way. Thanks for watching.
More accurately, advertisers just want to stay away from politics and sell carbonated sugar water.
@@drmodestoesqWhat will they do when the money dries up?
The money will never dry up. Who is the richest man in the world? The head of the Louis Vuitton group, Bernard Arnault. Estimated worth 230 billion dollars. He got that money selling ten thousand dollar handbags. How many people do you see driving 80,000 dollar pickup trucks that have never had the bed cover off?
That consumer competitive culture will never dry up.
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The more I learn about things like the Bay of Pigs, particularly the planning and how easily things got exposed, the more I question how people believe our government could pull off 9/11
Yes, the rot was already well advanced from the early 20th century and even further back.
Our government could never keep such a big secret.
I don't think it's as complicated as you think. The 9/11 commission transcript had the PDB state "OBL determined to use planes to attack buildings in USA" and W said "Ok, lets move on". No questions at all like "How many planes, what kind of planes, what buildings, where?" 6 weeks earlier, a Cessna had flown into an IRS building in TX, as a protest. Cheney and rummy wanted a war and knew 767s, or 757s were likely the targets but knew W would never stand down if he knew commercial carriers were involved. I think they left news copies of the Cessna crash so OBL will use Cessnas and low loss of life. Cheney and Rummy didn't know of the kinetic energy of 40 stories dropping a floor on top of 40 stories like a bomb, collapsing all floors below. "Farenheit 9/11" had W asking Andrew Card "Cessnas?" when Card told him of the 2nd plane impact. Cheney and Rummy, let the planned attack go unchallenged because their Project for a New American Century required a war for a pipeline. Clinton refused to use the 1st WTC bombing as a false flag to attack Iraq. JFK was killed because he wouldn't escalate Vietnam, and LBJ would. LBJ killed many political obstacles.
It was actually very sloppy in many ways. Lots of holes and stuff that doesn’t make any sense logically. Also with operation northwoods leaking I feel quite the opposite. Fortunately, the population blindly consumes any information they are fed.
Do you know where they shipped all the steel of collapsed wtc to ?
My FIL was a veteran of Brigada Asalto 2506. He was captured and was able to escape, to return to the US some time later. He had some interesting stories, including an encounter with Castro, who was visiting a hospital where he was being held.
They were hung out to dry.
Rest well Waldo.
I really enjoy your work and look forward to seeing more of it.
Would love to see one on the” Greek American Battalion” of WW2. One of the forerunners of Green Berets.
Possible, the OSS was the forerunner. Thanks for watching.
@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL
Google WWII 122nd Battalion
It was created at the request of the Greek government in exile
FDR honoured their request
@@TRINITY-ks6nw Greeks and Turks with Russian money laundering and Cypriot ghost town abandoned like the 39th parallel in Korea only ended with NATO inviting Turkey so the Turks and Greeks, who were NATO, would not fight an alliance member. Trump breaking up NATO would free Turkey to take over Cyprus, but Russians own much of Greek real estate, so Deutsche Bank in Cyprus with SCOTUS Kennedy's son on the BOD was in play. The Russian green beret equivalent were mostly Ukrainian. Their success against Putin shows that the Ukrainian gal that told me this in a train from Munich was right.
The word Cluster comes to mind. Never knew much about this because i never felt confident in my source material. Thank you again.
You're very welcome!
I needed to refresh my memory. Thanks for the video , it really helped.
You're welcome!
If this refreshed your memory then you are likely very confused now. This video hopelessly confuses the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis of 17 months later. It also is full of other mistakes, particularly with respect to the air operations. If you want to understand the Bay of Pigs you should forget everything you saw in this video.
@@tommurphy5229 I never said it was accurate.
Fascinating. Would be interested in your impression of General LeMay.
Should do the Jonestown massacre, Waco, and the Seige of Jadottville for thr next documentaries. You guys do an amazing work!
Well aware of all of them. Thanks for watching.
Just turn on fox news. If your lucky, you might even see the same newscaster for more than a month.
So interesting, you covered so much that I didn’t know.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting
Castro looks like Justin Trudeau
Thanks for this enlightening information. Two additional facts are worth examination:....the stationment of American missiles in Turkey; and the original 'raison d'être' of Castro's Cuban revolution which was Battista's Lansky/Luciano hold on the country. Had the B.o.P. exercise been successful, Cuba would have reverted to being the mob's private island.
Turkey was a NATO ally and wanted the missiles as protection. It is quite possible as to the mob coming back.
Excellent presentation. Always seemed like the CIA was trying to make him look bad in this and the missile crisis
Thanks for watching.
Everything I’ve ever read on the invasion was that he changed the original plan and landing place and withheld air support from them. And that he and his flunkies micromanaged every aspect of the failed plan much like Carter and the Iran Hostage rescue attempt. If the CIAs goal was just to make him look bad it sure cost a lot of them their careers and reputations to do it.
@@williamsmith8790 CIA was so upset about it they murdered him
Interesting, he deleted his post
JFK said to the journalist Charles Bartlett in April of 1963 "we haven't a prayer of prevailing there (Vietnam) but I can't give up a piece of territory like that to the Communists and get the American people to reelect me".
In the spring of 63 he told Mike Mansfield that the only reason he kept us in Vietnam was his stake in a sixty-four election he said "I can't pull out until 1965 until after I'm reelected"
So you see no one need to do anything to make JFK look bad. He got off light, he deserved much, much worse.
@@cyclone8974 LBJ fan who approves state sponsored coups. Nice
Great job, especially appreciate you listing the original landing site. The Exile Invasion Plan drawn up under Ike had faults, but calling it "Bay of Pigs" is more damage control for JFK. Bay of Pigs plan, and implementation, has JFK's fingerprints all over it. Something that should be known, missiles may have been in Cuba much earlier than "lucky" U-2 sighting. I had friends who lived at the Isle of Pines American ex-pat colony. They told me said colony sent a letter to Ike, not JFK, warning that something very hush-hush was going on at a navy base involving Soviets. Where? I don't know, but Cienfuegos was a Cuban naval base and a missile site. Fidelistas evicted all of them from their homes, pack 2 suitcases in 20 minutes. story goes along with A Cuban source who wrote that Cuban ex-pats reported rockets on flatbed trucks, which JFK arbitrarily labeled "defensive" even though much larger than Soviet SAMs of the time. (Notice JFK's stress on "offensive" in his quarantine speech.) That U-2 flight was really lucky for us, JFK couldn't deny the obvious any more.
The ultimate objective was to take back the southern half of Cuba because the previous Cuban president had sold the southern half of the island to a Texas oil tycoon and his childhood friend who was a 4 star General at the pentagon.They bought the southern half for 350 million dollars for the sugar plantations,offshore prestine fishing rights,and had set up casinos for tourists along with brothels.When Castro found out about this transaction,he Para military group took over and told the Americans if they wanted their money back come and take it! That's what the bay of pigs was all about.President Kennedy had no knowledge of it,and when he found out about the failure,he fired everyone involved.That ruffled a lot of feathers.Since Johnson was a close friend being from Texas of the other 2 men,he went along with the plan behind Kennedys back.Thats why they killed him,to save their own asses.
And the mob was less than happy to have been kicked out of Cuba as well. Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Yes,organized crime had a stronghold in Cuba since the 1920s.
It's not because Castro and his Communist cabal nationalised (i.e, stole) all American properties in the island including the ones acquired by individuals who were not rich?
Thanks for this clarification. I was told and always assumed that the invasion was by the U S Marines and Kennedy did not support them once the invasion stalled because he was afraid of bringing Russia into the fight.
Thanks for watching.
Do you mind if I ask how you were taught that?
I'm just curious as this video made me dumbfounded as to why this was event skimmed over as vaguely as it was when I was in school.
Kennedy refused to invade Cuba creating discontent among leading figures United fruit, the mafia, Alan Dulles planned the attempt
@@IIMoses740II because US school history is basically pro-government propaganda. A lot of it is either factually incorrect, intentionally misleading, or leaves out important elements or context. Not to mention this failure was a big part of why Kennedy wanted to dismantle the CIA, and was drafting an executive order to do so when he just happened to be “mysteriously killed” by a “lone gunman.” Lucky for the CIA huh? Great timing those guys. The CIA had also just sanctioned the assassination of South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem, drawing us into a lucrative war in Vietnam, which JFK had reservations about, just a few weeks before he was killed. That’s probably why they skimmed over it. Don’t want us pesky citizens learning TOO much about what they do in the shadows.
I was born in 1945. So, l remember the Bay of Pigs. And, l remember about the Cuban missile crisis.
I also remember about an incident that took place before Kennedy was President.
Under Eisenhower there was Gary Powers and the U2 incident that took place in the USSR.
And we’re using Ukraine as a redo. America’s hypocrisy would be laughable if human lives weren’t continuously lost on our behalf.
Another special military operation gone a fluke
Ukraine is fighting for their right to exist free from that petty little tyrant Putin.
Ron Paul’s speech on our failed foreign policy “what if” is pretty good and sums up all this.
Ukraine was the world's 3rd largest nuclear power. Democrat Bill Clinton got them to remove all nuclear weapon and their Delivery systems cruise missiles and bombers them send them to Russia ( The same cruise missiles and bombers are used today against Ukraine today) Bill Clinton promised in 1993 that the US would protect Ukraine borders. The democrat Obama Biden ( Biden enriched his family off a pro-russian company Barisma in Ukraine 2013) Obama Biden in 2014 refused to give Ukraine weapons. Then Biden in 2022, Closed the US embassy in Ukraine moved it to Pole one and okay a minor incursion of Ukraine publicly.
Ukraine is a victim of the Democrat party.
You Russian troll, Russian couldn't beat Afghanistan they bordered it?, had to fight 2 wars in Chechnya "lost the first" in their own country?, was stopped in first invasion of Ukraine in 2014 another countryt hey border?, And in 2022 were going to take Ukraine in 3 days, have had their Black Sea Navy and headquarters destroyed, and most of their air force.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fascinating. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
I would say Marines in Beirut 1983 is forgotten history. I received a Purple Heart from an RPG at the American University at Beirut..
when I get ask where was I when I got hit I would say a conflict between Vietnam and the Gulf War, they didn’t know or would say Grenada when I say Beirut they’d be like “we were there?”
My infantry Battalion; 1/ 509th ( Airborne ) was not even on alert, when this occurred in Beirut, i was pissed off when President reagan did nothing, we were with SETAF, southern European task force, in vicenza, Italy not too far away at the time Ill never forget🇺🇲⚔️ 🪖🪂
Your content is very informative thank you sir
Thank you for your channel and coverage. As you showed. Castro summarized it best. It s a shame that we get inundated with details to confuse the story at hand, and we are left with the enemy’s version to understand what realy took place. It seems to me that there is a class of untouchables above a certain rank.
Well said
You can’t reach certain ranks or positions without being appointed. Other less high ranking positions aren’t technically appointments but with how the system works they might as well be. The top brass are just political tools of the establishment. Even some of the highest possible enlisted positions are as well.
It’s a sad state of affairs and has been for quite some time.
"They had no air support." Yeah that's pretty much right
Cuba didn't turn communist after JFK became president it was due to the policy of EsesinhowerJFK that cuba became Communist, if the United States wouldn't have over reacated to cuba allowing the russians to us oil on cuba and if the United States would have maintained it aid to cuba things may have been different.
Fidel was already communist before JFK became president, but yet Eisenhower did help him turn toward the USSR. Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL no he wasn't, che and Raul where but Fidel just went along with what suited him best at the time, believe me, if Eisenhower would have just given him money to run things he would have been ok, but America's first reaction is not to negation a good deal for everyone but to get only for themselves, that is what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan and many other places!
Excellent! As always! Thank you! For anyone interested, there is a book out if not mistaken, published in the 1980s, called the brothers. It is about the Dallas brothers basically how horrible and evil they were! Keep up the great work stay well have a beautiful day👍🙏
I believe 100% Dulles brothers were the head of the snake in Kennedy assassination
Dulles bros, not Dallas. John Foster Dulles and Allen Welsh Dulles.
Yes, absolutely. Stupid Siri microphone. It switches from time to time when you’re ready to send and or whatever. Thank you for that though! Those were probably some of the most evil men who have ever lived.
I served in the US Navy aboard the USS Francis Marion APA 249 Attack Transport at the bay of pigs.forgotten History is probably right.as for myself I haven’t forgotten…thank you for the post..
Those Hawker sea furys were pretty formidible for the time, they even took out a mig in Korea, pretty impressive for a prop plane considering they were basically an upgrade from the British Hawker Tempest. Four hispano canons and an array of under carriage ordinance inc rockets and bombs with a powerful engine. Fighter Bomber. Impressive,
Agreed. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for covering this subject so well. I finally feel like I understand what happened. I especially respect the fact that you yourself interviewed General Curtis Lemay, who was himself in the room advising Kennedy in vain.
Thank you kindly
Moving the landing site from Trinidad to Bay of Pigs and cancelling the air strikes destroyed any marginal chance this operation had for success. This was a failure on every level of planning from the Kennedy Administration, to the CIA, all failed. It was a perfect storm of failure.
Thanks, Colin, for an excellent narrative.
Good Gosh this is incredible! Mind Boggling! SAD! Interesting! Fascinating! and so much more! Thank you for this Riviting video!
Thanks for some history most of us don't know , do to politics and mistakes that are covered up.
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Major difference between the thinking of a 5-star general and a commander of a PT boat.
My Dad and Kennedy were the same age. Dad was a SSGT Infantry Platoon leader in WWII. Kennedy was a PT boat officer. My Dad said Kennedy used his rank as a Navy Officer to cover up for his failures. 🪖
B.S. That comparison is just stupid. Kennedy was tricked by Dulles, Macnamara, and Rusk, and has nothing to do with his being inferior to any '5 star Generals'.
@@ericrose3877 you've obviously bought into the Kennedy myth that Joseph Kennedy put out. Do you really think that a failed lieutenant junior grade is the same as a 5-star general? Amazing.
The irony of this is that if the USA had held out the hand of friendship to Cuba after the deposing of the Batista regime which was a dictatorship guilty of many atrocities; then the decades of hostilities between the countries might never have happened. And it still continues.
America could have supported democratic governments in Cuba after the Spanish American war in 1898.
@@drmodestoesqYou mean those puppet and fraudulent govs? Ok
@@harveycedars980 Well, had Castro any other option that didn't involve shutting down the national electric system indefinitely?
Sheldon Kornpett: "You were involved with the Bay of Pigs?"
Vince Ricardo: "Involved? It was my idea."
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Thank you, I love your videos. It is like you are pressing the button which you are not allowed to touch. Correct me if I am wrong but, i think of the Bay of Pigs as a foreshadow of Vietnam. Or, to put it another way, I think of Vietnam as a repeat of the Bay of Pigs disaster, on a much larger scale. Thank you, Again.
Honestly, not a bad conclusion to draw. Highly accurate in my opinion aswell.
Interesting thought. Thanks for watching.
There was certainly one common factor - Robert McNamara who had the ear of a President (whether it was Kennedy or Johnson.)
Aside from that --
Vietnam was American troops being invited into a country dealing with an insurgency, not trying to start one.
The Cuba operation was self-serving politicians expecting people to do too much with too little, and cover up their own involvement. Vietnam was self-serving careerest military officers motivated by career advancement.
The Cuba operation was U.S. politicians withholding resources. Vietnam was U.S. politicians pouring all the resources available into it with no real accountability.
Cuba had a definable goal. The goal in Vietnam was pretty ambiguous.
But there was one other similarity though. Once LBJ was out of the picture, the US bombed the sh*t out of North Vietnam which in essence forced them to agree to our terms - an agreement they didn't honor of course once the US troops were out. So in one sense, the US "abandoned" South Vietnam. In Cuba, the communists won due to the invaders being abandoned by the US also.
@@dougearnest7590Bro the first one who didn't honor their agreements was the US
Are u still thinking America won that war?
I am no historian. I have business degrees. I am no military expert. I gave 4 years as junior enlisted before moving on to other things. My knowledge of history is limited to the times and places that have drawn my interest, but I know those parts VERY well. Therefore, I must judge those who present history by how well they cover the parts where I do have expert knowledge.
Now I have watched this, and I have seen your piece on Lyndon Johnson. These are two subjects I DO know deeply. I have to say that you are one of the very few presenters of history that I can now explicitly trust when it comes areas of history of which I am not an expert (and there are many). YOU hit it all, and you hit it honestly. You hit the stuff that most don't like to talk about, and you cover it without the approved popular political spin.
Now, when you cover things of which I am ignorant, I can know that I am actually learning by viewing your take.
This is outstanding work!
Thank you kindly.
Thank you very much Sir. Learned a lot here.
Greetings from the Netherlands, T.
I’m loving this channel
West should have remembered this history. If they had they would have understood Putins logic, which hasnt changed, and not froced nato east. Hes just doing the same thing the us would.
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The West did not "force" NATO east. The Eastern Europeans actively campaigned to be admitted into NATO. The "forcing" argument is left wing Tankie propaganda.
Somebody sure F'd up, big time here ...island could successfully have been taken 😢 thanks for posting 📫 🙏
Deep state was infiltrated even as early as 1960
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Your a funny guy, mind you they told Zelensky the same lie
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL terrific videos ...well presented 🎁 🦁👍
@@naradaian interesting 🤔 👀
Well done. This is citable source material. Thank you.
i have a picture of my Dad,Edward s Butler ,and a cuban exile that had been recruited by the CIA met with fidel castros sister .who was exiled in Miami. The picture is of them meeting in a parking garage in New Orleans airport. New Orleans had many Cuban exiles at the time, The problem is this. the civilians on the ground in Cuba, had been prepped beforehand. They were told not to rise up till after the first several waves of air support. Kennedy killed those people and commited suicide at the same time. It was very easy for Johnson to get AD to get rid of the kennedys after that. They set it up using many of the same people they had used before the bay of pigs. There is a reason Oswald was in New Orleans handing out those Fair Play for Cuba leaflets. A reason my dad and Carlos Brienguire interviewed oswald at WWL radio. they got oswald to admit he was a communist on the air. Oswald was not the smartest guy in the world,but he wasnt a dummy either.It wasnt a coincidence he got that job at the book depository. Spooks dont let the left hand know what the right hand is doing, it takes time for people to realize they have been used and decieved.. there has been a rot at the center of our government for decades, and the effect of that rot is eating away at us generationally .The people running our 3 letter agency's wield the real powe r,and every president since kennedy has known it.
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Another educational video. Thank you.
Have you done a video on the Son Tay raid by Green Berets in North Vietnam?
Not yet! Great suggestion!
I found it interesting that Castro blamed the correct reason for failure instead of a long winded rant about something nonsensical.
It doesn't sound kosher to me. An interesting and important footnote is that during the blockade a Soviet submarine equipped with nuclear missiles.... according to the Retired Captain... got false problematic secret orders which informed him to launch. He did not believe the orders to be specific or valid. He chose not to launch as the US Navy was overhead. That's how close we were. Thanks again for your insight from an old sailor who fought the Cold War in the 1970's. God bless.
Nah - Hollywood/cia bullshit trying to hype the whole thing
That is another story, and a good one. Thanks for watching.
It would be very interesting to see your review of the military career of the "wizard of the saddle " Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Awesome work Professor.
3/5 , 3/2 Wpns Co, Semper fi!
Semper Fi!
Whew...this was better than 99% of the movies coming out today. Excellent work! 👍
Thank you so much 😀
Colin - another great short history lesson. There are other channels attempting to do the same thing, run by non-historians but entertainers, that many people are watching to learn from. This is my 2nd after your one on LBJ.
I really like your inclusion of your 1986 interview with Curtis LeMay, a pivotal figure during the JFK administration, along with Allen Dulles and LBJ and others. One slight correction, in addition to Kennedy firing Dulles and Bissell, he also fired Cabell (whose brother Earle Cabell was mayor of Dallas Tx in November 1963).
After the Cuban Missle Crisis, which was averted when JFK, against the advice of all of his military advisors, brokered a deal with Kruschev after imposing the blockade, LeMay had some choice words about his Commander in Chief. LeMay and the joint chiefs had arranged a 180,000 invasion force ready in the SE USA, my older cousin was part of it, (it was called off with less than 48 hours to go before the deal was brokered) which would have been the 2nd largest invasion force only to D-Day, said that the deal was "worse than Munich" and "the greatest defeat in our history."
Some other questions for LeMay would have been useful in 1986:
What did you think of the presidency of JFK?
What was your relationship with his VP LBJ? What did you think of him as POTUS? What was your relationship with Allen Dulles? What did you think of his time at the CIA and his subsequent firing by JFK?
Do you recall what you were doing for the entire day of 11/22/1963, can you account for your entire whereabouts for that entire day? Would you care to comment on conversations among the Joint Chiefs that weekend, and how the nation responded to this change of regime?
Keep up the great work.
Appreciated. See the book "Above the Reich" for his full interview, and others. Thanks for watching.
He sounds like rand paul
This gotta be one of the best docs about bay of pigs. I watch many but never understood until now. Thanks.
We appreciate it
Are you joking. This video is terrible. He completely confuses the Bay of Pigs from April 1961 with the Cuban missile crisis some 17 months later. For example:
-At 5:57 he says "to make matters worse the Soviets had begun placing their long range missiles in Cuba". Wrong! The missiles weren't installed until October 1962, almost a year and a half after the Bay of Pigs
-At 6:18 he says that "the 1400 man invasion force would disembark under cover of darkness" but the accompanying map is not of the Bay of Pigs invasion but, rather, the proposed invasion of Havana in connection with the Cuban Missile Crisis. You don't need to look any further than the map title to confirm that: "The Quarantine of Cuba and U.S. Invasion Plans October 1962."
-The immediately preceding map is, again, from 1962 and shows the SAM coverage that the U.S. would have to deal with for an invasion at that time. It has nothing to do with the Bay of Pigs.
-The series of pictures shown from 9:26 to 9:39 are pictures of the missiles and launch sites that were taken by a U-2 in 1962 that sparked the missile crisis and were used by Ambassador Adlai Stevenson to confront the Soviets at the U.N. All of this had nothing to do with the Bay of Pigs and came much later.
-At 10:00 the references to Maj. Gen. William Matz and his duties and comments are also related to the 1962 planned invasion by U.S. forces, not the invasion in 1961 by the Cuban exiles. There was no handing out of maps to U.S. commanders or any planning of U.S. Marine deployment in 1961. The whole point of the Bay of Pigs invasion was to make it look like the U.S. had nothing to do with it.
While confusing the two events is a complete screw up and should cause him to take this video down or redo it, there are plenty of other mistakes:
- At 11:22 he talks about the "six" B-26 Invaders that hit Cuban airfields. I don't know where he got six planes. There were a total of 16 B-26s available to the operation. After Kennedy complained that 16 were to many for an air strike Bissell cut the number that were to attack on the 15th to 8. And that's the number that, in three different groups, struck Cuba at three different airfields (not the 5 or 6 places suggested in the video).
-At 12:26 he says that "the returning B-26 had been shot up by ground fire and landed in Miami". This is wrong on several accounts. A ninth B-26, piloted by Captain Mario Zuniga, was flown to Miami. But it wasn't "returning" and it didn't get shot up by ground fire. Zuniga was always supposed to fly to Miami and claim to be a Cuban Air Force defector in a Cuban plane. He and his plane were never part of the strike force. Before the plane departed Nicaragua, a CIA operative removed some cowling and shot it up to support the ruse. Zuniga flew over Cuba in a manner to avoid detection. He didn't encounter any hostile fire.
-At 19:55 he says that Dulles and his deputy Bissell were forced into retirement. True enough. But a few seconds later he says that Operation Mongoose, which Kennedy approved in November 1961, was "again led by Dulles and the CIA". Dulles retired on November 29 and Operation Mongoose launched November 30. So Dulles had nothing to do with running it.
- He even confuses the terms clandestine and covert by saying the invasion was supposed to be clandestine. It was supposed to be covert, not clandestine. Covert operations are intended to allow deniability but they are operations for which it's obvious that the results occurred. Like an invasion or assassination. Clandestine operations are intended, ideally, to never be discovered. The Berlin tunnel operation in 1955 and 1956 to tap into East German telecommunications was a clandestine operation.
@@tommurphy5229 wow that’s a hell of a reply. Thanks. All I was trying to say I guess I always hear “bay of pigs” few times I asked and all I remember had to do with Cuba. Watch few videos, all I got was Soviet and Cuba. I literally didn’t know much of anything about what happened. I feel like I have a understanding now. I don’t know how accurate (times etc) are but ya came out feeling better understanding for sure
I of course am not no expert as of what took place lol but what I think is good if see something interesting it’ll get you to look more into it and you’ll put time in. And ya seems like 99% videos on TH-cam aren’t accurate. I wasn’t even gonna leave comment
But felt like the video helped a lot so that was the reason.
Again thanks for the VERY informative reply 🍻
@@chris2pher44 I didn't mean to criticize you. When people see videos that look like documentaries they tend to assume that they're vetted and researched. This isn't just some guy in his basement in front of a camera. The video is a slick presentation with a lot of historical footage and the channel has a lot of subscribers. But I get annoyed when people pretend to be presenting history when they're actually just making stuff up. And Heaton has been told by several people that he's confusing the two events and making a lot of other mistakes. But he responds with some off topic nonsense or ignores the issues. If you want to get a real historical take on the Bay of Pigs, the PBS Documentary: The Cuban Missile Crisis: At The Brink (PBS, 1992) is pretty good.
Good Evening Prof. Am. Nigerian and i really learnt alot you didnt base your source via usual Hear Say but Directly from the participants.
Since I began to dig into the Russian SMO, I have learned things that just shake me to the core. These things happened before I was born yet they affect everything I grew up being taught. I was raised on propaganda.
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Why was Vietnam a much bigger priority for the Sol Invictus CIA? Who was Castro really working for?
That's the question you typically need to ask. However, some pawns outlast their usefulness, this is what happens. The government has funded things like this across the world for ages, they always get involved in the destruction of it too.
Great questions. Thanks for watching.
What a mess. I'm surprised Cuba has survived this long and this day and age.
After watching for over 40 years various footage of this disaster, i can say without a doubt this brief documentary has the most spellbinding video of the bay of pigs. Period!
It looks like your first version of this video was deleted?? My comments too??
YT took exception to something, what, we have no idea. Thanks for watching.
It was a disaster from the start. The Cubans knew it was coming before most of the poor souls who who were sent. Bombs away Curtis Lemay was delusional when he insisted that air support would have made the difference. It would only made for massive collateral damage and would not have saved this debacle. When a despotic dictatorship ran Cuba hand in hand with the Mafia the CIA was unconcerned. That is when the US government should have stepped in and when the Cuban people would have risen up in support. But the CIA always have found dealing with dictators easier than the possibility of a democratic that would have the needs of its people ahead of the needs of the CIA.
It would have had to have been a full military effort indeed. Thanks for watching.
Good video.
As I already stated in the original video, you imply that the invasion was also due to the deployment of soviet missiles in Cuba. However, the invasion took place in April 1961 and the missiles' deployment began only in July 1962.
The original U2 flights indicated emplacements being built, and there was great division in the intel community as well as the military as to what those were for. Although not released for some reason, it has been assumed that there were intercepted communications, or possibly even a spy leak that the Soviets were going to place them there. But until that actually happened, the USA could do nothing about it without evidence, except take Cuba before that occurred. Thanks for watching.
Allan Dulles was as guilty of deceits as the Bush administration was with WMDs in Iraq. Same 💩 different day. As long as the globalist are in charge, things will never change.
Secrets between cubans? My gosh. Gossip was, is and will be a national sport there! 😂😂😂
One would think there were a bunch of Cubans in the Miami that were pretty upset with Kennedy.
I have heard that the code-name for this op was 'Operation Zapata', and that two of the ships involved [of which one was covered here] was the Houston [covered] and the Barbara. I find it fascinating that George HW Bush(41) ran an off-shore oil Co. called "Zapata Off-Shore" out of Houston TX, and his wife's name was Barbara. Apparently, he also named his plane from WWII "Barbara" as well.
Why state that the goal of Eisenhower and Kennedy was to establish a "non-communist government" when it's more exact to state they wanted to re-establish capitalism economically and politically in Cuba?
Cuba was like all of Latin America toying with the idea of communism, except for Argentina and Mexico.
good info.
Super good lecture, factual, credible, well put together and you can easily believe the full truth up to date. Excellent as always Colin👍👍👍
We appreciate it. Thanks for watching.
Yo soy de Miyami Florita. I grew up in Miami. Went to Navy boot camp in Orlando in 1980 at age 17. I was supposed to join the Army but 1 day my momma pissed me off and I called my Army recruiter and was told "Your recruiter is on leave. You gotta wait until he gets back." The next day in high school Navy recruiter showed up and asked me "when you want to leave?" 3 weeks later I was in Navy boot camp.
I would be interested in a history of the Dulles Brothers starting before WW2.
I hope in another episode that the relationship between Castro and the CIA before the overthrow of Bautista will be broadcast.
The man singlehandely trolled the CIA
Yes, I know. The CIA will hold a grudge forever.@@extrusdnterre1485
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Kennedy's denial of air support is why the CIA had him killed in 1963. Because Kennedy canceled air support, the invasion failed and this kept Cuba a communist nation which it still is today, 62 years later. As a consequence of Kennedy canceling air support for the invasion force, the Soviets moved nuclear missiles into Cuba which precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October, 1962. Kennedy caused the Cuban Missile Crisis, but was hailed as a hero for making the Soviets back down.
Consider if the US had not treated Cuba like shit and propped up a military dictator a communist revolution would have never happened
Castro spread Communism in Central & South America. That's why today we are getting immigrants from these countries. Kennedy should of invaded Cuba. If he would of invaded Cuba the missle crisis would of never happened. That's what got Kennedy killed. By both sides. Pro Castro & anti Castro. Make no mistake Castro was behind his assassination.
lets not forget that in the "fog of war" mcnamara said that Caastro told him there were 80 nukes on the first wave & 90 on the second wave aimed at all of America ready to go. he confirmed he would have launched if Krustav told him to.
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*Khrushchev
He never said that, it was Ernesto Guevara (Ché) who said he would fire every rocket to Washington and Hollywood if the US tried to invade Cuba
Last time a US president threatened to break CIA into a thousand pieces.