Mac 9 DS 1911 - The Story So Far
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- #1911 #tisas #recoil #9mm A quick tour of life with military armament corporations new double stack 1911. Footage includes issues, internal wear, trigger demos and information on the newly installed Villain grip from MJD solutions. Range and recoil footage for comparison with #danwesson DWX, #czshadow2 compact, #bularmory 3.25 UL, #cz P10C comp, #sigsauer XMacro comp & #p320.
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Mac/SDS did get back to me about the thin left side safety. They said.....
"the left-side safety is slightly narrower for ease of carry"
I thanked them and responded with,
"Well, thanks for the quick response and explanation. First I would like to say I love this gun. You guys did a phenomenal job on this.
I hope this is a big one for you guys. Your reputation is great.
On the safety, I will swap them out myself eventually.
I can't say that I agree with the thinking on this.
I don't think an extra 1/4 inch or so of width on the left safety, against a holster would not hurt the ability to carry or make it uncomfortable even with a low sweat guard on the holster.
Everywhere I look in the industry and the forums the wide safety is for the shooter's thumb to ride on as leverage.
That's the way I was taught to shoot 1911s. I believe most people shoot them like that. If you don't, bumping the safety up with your thumb becomes an issue when you fire.
The wide safety on the outside has no benefit whatsoever to me, except for a lefty to ride with his thumb."
Keep it up! I'm not a professional TH-camr either, but when you provide people with what they want to know the audience will come!
I love your channel man! You mean to tell me that TH-cam's not your main Job? Between my real work and my family I've got so much content built up I can't even find time to put it out there. I figured I'm spending all this money for my pleasure I might as well be sharing my experiences.
@@MoneyShot_CM I've been through a similar logic path. Yes, I have a real job 45+ hours a week, GBGuns is what I do evenings and weekends. In time you'll find a method to increase efficiency. For me part of that is filming in batches, then the Oregon weather gives me plenty of indoor time to work on the content which I publish on aschedule. Nice weather and I film a couple videos, lousy weather and I edit a few and so on. Many of the videos published on the channel were filmed weeks or even months before publishing.
Sorry, forgot to switch accounts. This is my backup channel account.
@@gbgunsmedia Oregon always looks so lovely. I'm in South Florida so we've got the great weather, just not much for wide open spaces LoL. What you're describing is exactly what's happening, my footage is piling up. I guess in the end it's still good footage. Thanks for all the support and friendly advice.
What's wild to me is how consistent these guns are between examples, while some of the design decisions aren't ideal, the fact that each example seems almost exactly the same speaks volumes about their QC. I can't complain!
I could not agree more. Their QC is on point. And the more and more I see these and talk to people about them the story is the same. I guess their reputation for the 1911s carried over into these. I really love this gun, I bought it as a project gun and one of the biggest disappointments is there's not much I have to do to it lol. The grip was for aesthetics lol
I just purchased one for the same modifications you made. I added the Villain grip and Magwell, and it looks like it'll shoot well. I jokingly call it my "Turkcato".
Ha ha I call it that too! It shoots great
Great review! Thanks for putting it together.
Thanks! I really appreciate it!
Excellent, detailed, and thorough review. Thank you for taking the time. Awesome shooting some of the best handguns in the world. And with the upgraded parts list etc.. Peace
Thanks, I appreciate it
Great review and format. Enjoy the detailed bench review and range/shooting comparisons.
Thanks man! Appreciate it.
I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks I appreciate that! I've got a bunch lined up.
Awesome video, man. Thank you. 🙏
Thanks
Thank you for the video!
No problem! Thanks for the comment
Gonna snag one this year. Great review and new sub.
Thank you! I know mine is only a sample of one, but I'm seeing a lot of great things about these. I hope yours is just as good! I love this thing.
Nice video. Clear and to the point. Liking the "Turkatto"
Thanks man! I love it too, I just put it over a thousand rounds yesterday, and I'm going to be put a new video out. I got some great slow motion recoil shots lol
Thanks. Really like how u sis the vid and comparison!! Just subbed
Thanks man I appreciate it, I got some really good footage today with some high-end guns that a buddy brought to the range that I'm going to put out soon.
GREAT VIDEO
Thanks!
Great video. You just earned a new subscriber. Been wanting to know more about this gun. It looks well made. Trying to get to figure out which ds1911/2011 I want. This gun remains in the top 5. Thank you for your informative video. You did a great job.
No problem, thanks for the compliments. I'm just sharing what I have to help people. The men 9 DS is just too good for the money. It's almost my favorite but that DWX is tough to beat. I've got more content coming on the Mac 9 DS, the holsters I use, optic , etc. I'm going to do in-depth videos on all of my guns.
@@MoneyShot_CM thank you! I look forward to your post on your experience. Truly appreciate it!
Thanks for sharing I was about the cz compact2 and the dan wesson great hand gun comparisons.
No problem. I'm just starting out and I'm going to do in-depth videos on all of the guns that I own eventually. Comparisons as well. Might as well share info on all this money I spend. Especially if it helps others.
We appreciate you look forward for more content.
@@secondscount1945 thank you!
Thanks for the video. Sub’d. Ditch the ambi safety altogether! 😊 I love my MAC JSOC. Can’t wait to grab their DS.
Yeah when I need a project I'll probably replace it with something better.
I love you too!!!
Haha I knew someone would hear it and comment; that was my fiance with my daughter, getting her in bed. I told her someone on here would point it out. Thanks!
@@MoneyShot_CM i loved it. Very sincere. Enjoy that while you can. And thanks for the video. Very informative.
@@1970banjoman thanks for that! I will
Love this new Mac DS, but I must say, really interested in that CZ P10c setup, it was really flat. 👍🏻
Yes sir, that thing is great. I carry it a lot. Best thing, it was cheap lol. I'm going to do it's own video on it soon to help people decide on if they want to do it or not. It has a great trigger for a striker fired gun too. Put the OverWatch trigger in it
@@MoneyShot_CM I’ll watch the video…subscribed 👍🏻
Thanks man!
Thank you for the content. I am about to pick mine up in a day or two. I have my gunsmith on call to lighten the trigger pull, would you recommend anything else such as stipling, polishing the feed ramp, lightening/replacing the recoil spring. Etc. I am very psyched since this will be my first double stack.
No problem! I would recommend shooting it first, put a couple hundred rounds through it before any adjustments. Then have it tuned to where you like it. This way you get their intended feel for it and and you know exactly what to change. You may like the trigger, it may be just fine for you. The recoil spring will be stiff but will break in nice. I have some slow motion footage going up soon. Eventually you may be able to lighten it off that is your taste. See how the grip works and if you like it, I did the swap and love it, the stock grip isn't great but isn't bad. Plenty of options out there. It's a great gun. Mine is now over 1000 rounds with no issues
I was on the fence with a DWX, PDP Match, Shadow 2 or this. I think I’ll give this a shot! (No pun intended lol). Thanks for the video and hope I can find a threaded barrel to suppress as well 🤙🏾
Those would all be solid choices. They are all on my list. I have a shadow 2 compact and of course the DWX. Tisas makes a threaded barrel version called the night stalker but it's different. Check it out if you like, but that said maybe they will hit us with a threaded barrel for this since day. You can always have one made and fitted by a gun Smith, it fit it yourself. Thanks for showing some love!
Grease does not migrate debris out ......... good video.
Thanks!
Hey Money Shot, you’ve become my main resource! Thanks again for ur help- have you tried putting a red dot on the Mac 9. I can’t get the base plate off at all after unscrewing the 2 main screws. Thanks so much!
Thanks man! Yeah I have a red dot on it, update video coming soon. I will check mine when I get home, I can't remember if there is a 3rd screw, in the center by the sight itself. I can't remember if it's the Mac, or the staccato P or both. If there is no center screw by the sight then you may want to take something like a hammer with a plastic tip to tap on it a little bit. I'll check it out when I get home, and advise.
@@MoneyShot_CM awesome sounds good
@matthedrick9874 So I checked my site when I got home, there are only two screws. It must have been the staccato I was thinking of that had three screws. I would advise you to take a hammer with a plastic in and tap on it don't hit your gun or mess the side up. Another way is is you can put a washcloth or some fabric over it and lock onto the site with a pair of pliers and try to leverage it off. Your goal here is to not damage the sights or the slide, with a little pressure it should come off as long as you got both screws out.
@@MoneyShot_CM thank you for the advice! Will update you how it goes!
This is an excellent video. I just received mine today and will be locating a gunsmith who can do the trigger work for me. Thanks for the suggestion about the spring. I was considering replacing it but will run about 500-750 rounds first to see if it lightens up a bit.
Thank you sir! I appreciate it. I'm glad this helped in some way. I love sharing information. Others have always helped me in that way. You are welcome.
I forgot to tell you I am now a new subscriber! Quick question. In my dry firing it I noticed that my grip has to change versus my RIA Tac Ultra and Girsan 2311. Have you felt the need to alter your grip in order to engage the grip safety enough to fire it? It just seems the angle is different enough or the shape of the safety requires more effort for my normal grip. I may pin it.
@@dnut1987 Thanks for subscribing, I plan on sharing my experiences on everything I have and purchase. I haven't shot either of those guns but the grip angle should be the same or close. I haven't had to change or alter my grip in anyway. I am used to shooting this platform and haven't had any issues with the grip safety on anything. That safety bump in the palm always engages it for me. If you've got a firm grip in a normal shooting position that thing should be all the way in, I hope there's not something wrong with yours. If you use two hands and pin it with your thumb are you able to easily fire it? Dry fire of course
@@dnut1987 The Girsan is a Gen 1 STI grip and the RIA is a Para pattern grip, so they're both going to have different dimensions from the MAC and Tisas since they use Gen 2 Staccato pattern grips. That can cause issues sometimes! You can tune your grip safety spring at the same time as the leg on the trigger.
Great info, thanks for that. I don't know much about those two.
According to Tisas, the smaller safety is on the left for increased comfort while concealed carrying.
Thanks for getting back to me! Since I made the video they did get back to me, I put their response in my comment that's pinned to the top, and I also put my response to them in case you are wondering. I think they got it wrong. My response basically says that an extra quarter inch inside your holster isn't going to give you any more or less comfort, the whole industry operates off the notion that the wide safety goes where the shooters thumb is so they can ride it while shooting. That's how all of the extended safeties are sold. I wasn't impressed with their answer, I still love the gun though lol
I completely agree with you on this safety matter. They messed up there. The wide shoe should most definitely be on the left for right handed shooters. Will this be an easy swap to do?
It's not hard to swap, it does require fitting though. I think most people could watch a video and get it done. Mosin Virus has a whole bunch of videos about building these on TH-cam as well as others.
Thank u very much man!
@a.d.c7941 no problem. I would first watch the video and see how you feel about it. Ask yourself if you are comfortable with the job and are you willing to be responsible for it getting done correctly. Some people are not comfortable with doing that stuff and place the reliability in the hands of a professional. I don't know what your skill set is and how much work on these things you've done yourself. I view it as easy, but a lot of others do not. I think that guy's explanation and video showing you how to do it will let you know if you are comfortable with accomplishing it. Good safeties are not exactly cheap, and if you mess it up you'll be buying another one lol.
I was torn between this and tisas carry 1911 4.25 but I got the tisas.
The double stack?
@@MoneyShot_CM yeah the 1911 DS tisas carry option.
@@Onehandedstranger how is it? I'd think it's almost just sad good, or close to as good.
I hope you don’t mind me asking couple of questions:
1.What would you recommend to lower the trigger pull to 3.5lbs instead of 5.5lbs?change the sear and/or the spring sear? If so which brand?(EGW,Dawson)
2.Would you recommend to replace the main spring with 17LBS?
3.As far as the recoil spring goes, would you replace it?
I would recommend you watch the Atlas sear spring tuning video. It will teach you how to modify the bends on the seat spring. The sear and ignition system in gun is fine from what I've seen. You can lower the pull weight this way. The firm wall will stay like it's supposed to. You can control the reset this way too. Set your over travel screw while you are at it.
I recommend breaking the gun in, the recoil and main spring are fine. It seems heavy but will smooth out some. My gun runs reliably, isn't sluggish, muzzle doesn't dip on slide return and the recoil is soft. I think it's sprung correctly.... For now. Might monkey with it when I get down the road. Recoil spring running can be subjective.
@@MoneyShot_CM Thank you!!!
Do you think you could do an install video for the Villian Grip Mod and reducing the trigger pull? Would love to imitate your set up if i knew what to do!
I'm just getting started and making videos, to share my experiences. I'm just not there yet and comfortable with sharing a how-to video. I posted two videos that will help you a lot more than I could, did you see those links?
Yes sir I understand! I’m sure you’d do great this was a great video from starting off!
Do not see those links where can I find them?
@@matthedrick9874 You and I were talking in a thread on a different video. It was in the Roger Barrera QVO thread, I posted those two links in a response to you. I don't know if they allowed them to be posted, it looks like they delay the visibility of comments. Did you see anything there? If not I can repost them here
@@MoneyShot_CM just checked that thread, haven’t gotten a response on my feed yet- I appreciate your help!
@@matthedrick9874 No worries man I'll get you the links here in a few minutes and we'll do it on my thread cuz there won't be any delay or anyone else approving comments
Newer models seem to have higher/taller sights. At keast mine does
Yeah I've seen a few of those reports coming out, those sites are definitely different. That's good news, hopefully they take care of the people who already bought that want it taken care of.
Where can I get a mounting plate from a sro on the Mac 9 ds mine wasn’t provided if it was supposed to come with one
It's supposed to be included in the box, did you buy yours new? Or second hand? Either way I would contact SDS imports customer service and have them ship one out, they may have one listed on their site but since it's so new I doubt it.
Finally someone thought of lefties 😂
Will you rank the accuracy and recoil of the guns you shot?
Oh yeah. I'm just getting started. I plan on making videos on all of them. That's a great idea to put them in order like that. Not sure how soon I'll get to it but I will. I'm just sharing what I have and when I spend my money on.
Just off the top of my head I can tell you that the DWX shoots the softest but the Mack 9 DS is right there with it. And felt recoil The macro with the compensator is not as good as those two, but it has a much quicker return to zero I'll tell you that.
Is the slide not rmr cut for direct mount?
No, the 1911/2011 slide is too narrow to mount properly. The screw homes are wider than the frame. Almost all 1911s have plate systems, there's only a few that have custom slides that are flared out. Not this one
I love you.
Lol uhh thanks
what holster is that?
Werkz m6 for 1911 and 2011s, I did a whole video on it, check it out here
th-cam.com/video/dQEer0zv9qc/w-d-xo.html
And another one here, Mckinatec
th-cam.com/video/0DcbI_r7OvI/w-d-xo.html
I live in a ten round state, and can't find it just in 10rd magazines.
Sorry to hear that, I've never seen one offered with a 10 rounder. When I get a chance I'll look around a bit. Maybe they will be out soon, did you contact SDS? I've got a big update on this coming tomorrow
Let's talk about holsters for it.
There are two holster videos on my channel, here is one
th-cam.com/video/dQEer0zv9qc/w-d-xo.html
So much money wasted on aftermarket parts that do little to nothing. A trigger good is always a good improvement if the OME trigger sucks, but to each its own, baller.
Yeah some people just change parts to have something to do I guess. That's the great thing about this, it doesn't need an aftermarket trigger or ignition parts. I just adjusted the springs and the trigger is perfect! I did replace the grip though, the OEM one was not attractive or grippy enough.
$400 for a grip is insane 😂
It was 318.00 with discount. 2011 grips aren't cheap. You can get some for around 200, most are polymer. This one is carbon fiber, kevlar and nylon, feels like g10 sort of, not plastic. I think it's worth it. Very aggressive, doesn't eat up my hands. Better than a lot of high end stock 2011 grips. You think this is expensive, price out some metal ones, like cheely, Phoenix Trinity, SVI, Vulcan etc. Those are all North of 500, dive some far north lol Definitely not for everyone, I feel you.
Mac 1911 DS is starting to make noise and then....? TH-cam channels like 'the humble marksmen' and 'nightwood guns' rip into it. Highlighting whats 'wrong' with it without recognizing its value. Are their sponsors pushing them to do this? I'm confused. 😖
Not sure, I haven't seen either of those guys rip into yet, haven't seen any real negative yet, I may have missed it I'll look later
Mine is still running great
@MoneyShot_CM I''ve watched some of their reviews before and they are quick to downplay the cons of Prodigy, Apollo and highlight the pros and even seem enthusiastic. But on the MAC, it just seemed downright nuclear. Seemed the "review" had one intention and they seemed upset to have to review it. Lol
So I just got home, and I did watch those two reviews that you mentioned. I didn't see any problems with humble's review, it had a different feeling than night woods. I would say night woods fits kind of what you're saying, it was odd. Humble's Gun looks like it had some problems, mine didn't. It's weird to me how some people get so negative on a 1911 trigger system when you could fix it without parts in a couple minutes. I agree with them about the grip though LOL I swap mine out almost immediately.
I will stick with my staccato p. I don’t trust the Turks just yet!
I can understand that completely. I was very hesitant myself. What helped me make the decision to give it a shot was talking with a lot of owners in the 1911 community. They have a great reputation with that crew. I was also impressed with how Tisas handled a voluntary recall recently. Of course I'd love to always buy American, but I think we have a lot of manufacturers from other countries producing great guns and ammo. This version was designed by Military armament corporation in Knoxville TN and built by Tisas, that helps a little. For the price point I figured let's give it a shot and share the experience.
If this things starts to have issues, I'll be there first one putting it out there.
I love Staccato and what they stand for, I just don't love the prices. After I finish my custom build 2011 that is coming up I may pick up Staccato P. I shot an XC and it was great, lowest recoil I've ever felt, but it wasn't 2200 more money great when compared with my DWX.
I'm going to run this thing pretty hard, let's see if it fails. Right now it's really good, So good I don't feel the need to rip out the internals and replace them with aftermarket parts.
They're politically twofaced and borderline traitorous
Honestly, who’s gonna carry something that big consistently every day. Ridiculous.
Honestly I carry the Mac just about every day. All you need is a good gun belt and the right holster. This isn't even the biggest gun I carry. Sometimes I carry a full size dwx. This is only a commander size 4.25-in gun, plenty of people carry those everyday. Some people even carry them with built-in sidecars with extra magazines on the holster LOL. My CZ p10c is 4 in, My X macro is just as long because of the comp on it. S2C is 4 inches as well.
To each their own man, everybody's different. Carrying a large gun is really about the size of the grip. Smaller the grip the better, the length doesn't matter too much. But as long as you got a good holster with a claw on the tux that grip in makes it a lot easier
Lol… I carry an STI Guardian 2011 … no issues. Some days, I will carry an STI Tactical 4.0 2011 in .45ACP… again, no issues… bulk up buttercup 😊
@@blueyedevil3479 something satisfying about carrying that big iron on your hip lol!
Interested in the information about optics plates, fixes, etc. That seems to be the biggest issue people are reporting right now, I really wanted one of these but feel like holding off until that is resolved. Kinda looks like the cut on the slide isn't correct, but hopefully they can fix it with modified plates.
Tisas stated that they are coming out with more plates, for more options and different sights to match for CO witness. Schedule for this summer. I put a Tacticon v4 on there and I have a little co witness. Enough to use and for my taste. I'm going to do a video on it soon, and I'll take some measurements so others can maybe find some sights that will give them something to get by. Personally I don't care about co-witness, in a self-defensive situation, point-and-shoot still be easy if the optic were dead.
I just got this grip, installed my atlas trigger, i had the same very small amount of pre travel. Is it safe with that little?
@MoneyShot_CM
Hard to tell without seeing it, I do run a lot of games with very little pre-travel. I think it's all person taste. There is a point where it becomes unsafe and I forget how to test it, if I can find a video or the article on it later when I'm free I'll let you know. Do you got a video of it you can send me the link?
@@MoneyShot_CM I'll make a video later today. Love the grip. Just working through the fitting at this point.
@DrasticFire I run that trigger on other guns and I adjusted with very little take up too, it's nice. I'll talk to you then
@@MoneyShot_CM th-cam.com/video/yEbnOfrnxgQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3ozQ9rRhLZoPz4Y0