How do pilots avoid CRASHING into mountains?!
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In this video I will show you how to execute a TERRAIN ESCAPE Manoeuvre after a Circling into Salzburg went wrong.
This is a remake of an earlier video I did, but this time with much more annotations and AWESOME explanations!
A circling is a manoeuvre where an aircraft completes a visual landing circuit after an instrument approach to the opposite runway. In this case, the crew looses their situational awareness during a critical point of the manoeuvre in a VERY mountainous area - The reast is history :)
This video is shot in a simulator and it is done as a demonstration only. Do not use this video for instructional purposes as procedures might change and this vide wont.
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I was nervous watching this and I wasn’t even the one in in the sim for the maneuver. 😥 great job, made it look easy!
Thank you! It was quite intense
Yeah, despite knowing exactly what was going to happen ahead of time, and that it was all a simulation, this was legitimately terrifying....oO;
Indeed. I'd be off to the lav to change my underpants after pulling out of that one.
Wow, yeah, so much happening at once. Great flying and great video.
@mentour What if the mountain is too tall? Full throttle + pulling up can't help rit? Why isn't the solution to turn around 180° ?
I have this as my alarm clock. Terrain terrain pull up whoop whoop....
Hahaha!
well, if you stand up too quickly in the morning and fall out of the bed, then you hit the terrain, so, good warning this alarm clock, ingenious 😂😂😂😂
Same here 😂
Haha same here. My girlfriend hated it, so I changed it though.
Not advised for pilots though, as it would be making an irrelevant and opposite conditioning.
This is the first video of yours where I was quite literally scared. It did not matter that you were in a simulator, or that no lives were actually in danger. The from the moment the TAWS called out "TERRAIN TERRAIN TERRAIN" until you said "gear up", my heart was racing. Seeing how quickly even two professional pilots could get into what would surely be a fatal situation without the absolute professionalism and CRM you displayed confirms my feeling that absolutely top-level simulators are critical for the ongoing safety record that commercial aviation enjoys today. Thank you.
Agreed. Always makes me feel better about flying when I see pilots in action.
I agree too wah, that was intense
Basically - when the GPWS starts screaming at you, things are no longer absolutely fantastic.
I agree its a very informative video, but when disaster strikes, you really only have a few seconds, while making life and death decisions. Full throttle getting out of any situation requires accuracy.
I can’t tell if you were serious or being funny at the end there but my god this comment is hilarious.
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Watching this MASTERPIECE of demonstrative video made me realize how far still I am of becoming an airliner, even getting 1000+hours as a CPL pilot. Whenever I think "i know how to fly", will watch this video. Very intense video that puts you inside the cabin and feel the pressure. Nice CRM with your copilot, great skills, calm keeping and amazing OP's . Definetelly, he has demonstrated how heavy can be the weight of the four strips on his shoulders.
The dilemma between pulling up to avoid the terrain and moving away from stall airspeeds and how the pilot needs to thread the needle so precisely between those two situations is amazing. One of those times when you very clearly realise what it takes to become a pilot and how they deserve our respect.
Ye I would be afraid to get into a stall, that's some really low speed and I assume its mandatory to keep a straight level and prevent any form of banking.
I can foresee this soon being regarded as the bonkers manoeuvre. Synthetic vision and you would simply be turning away and landing.
@@cptcrogge Don't forget that when close to terrain the stall speed lowers due to ground effect. What surprised me was the willingness to sacrifice the landing gear in the event of a collision, but that shows what a minimal drag they produce.
Agree with previous comments: that was TENSE and INTENSE!!! The on-screen graphics helped me, a non-737 pilot, understand everything much more clearly. And the level of potential confusion that the situation created was impressive as well...even knowing it was coming, you both had to completely change directions from preparing to land from a circling maneuver to performing a terrain escape maneuver, while staying focused and not letting the natural "WTF????" reaction interfere with getting back to a safe situation. Great video, thanks!
It makes me proud as a Canadian to know a Canadian engineer helped develop the GPWS system. I wonder how many countless lives have been saved because of this guardian angel along with well-skilled professional pilots have been there. Brings a tear to my eye to know how many families have not needed to get a heartbreaking notification of next of kin. Well done escape maneuver Mentour I know I'd feel safe flying with you anyday!
Thank you for adding an *actual* CFM56-7B spooling sound effects instead of a generic one for this video, makes it much more immersive!
Training and competence born of experience make that procedure possible. Even with all of those elements, I got a pucker factor of 10 watching this simulation. To imagine doing it for real and seeing the radar altimeter decreasing to 400. Only discipline keeps good pilots from stalling an aircraft, fighting the natural tendency of raising the nose too much. I especially liked your call out of allowing the stick shaker to engage temporarily. How nerve wracking! Nerves of steel. Your flying professionalism inspires me to work harder at memorizing emergency procedure checklists. Safe landings.
Love the added engine sound effects at 2:04! Really increases the production quality and immersion!
My God just sitting here at home watching this you get all the stress and pressure, as much as possible anyway coming from the cockpit. The fact you have clouds obscuring the view, the claxon going off, and the incessant terrain, terrain pull-up warning as Petter is attempting to gain as much altitude as possible without stalling the plane is terrifying...Awesome video Petter, show this to any "armchair pilot" who says auto-pilot does everything nowadays.
What some pilots would have heard in their final moments... thanks for the video captain!
Thank you for watching!
There have been instances where the CVR confirms this exact scenario. Sadly.
That is a very sobering thought. I have heard it enough in other videos in YT that I think of it as the Voice of Doom. Even hearing it in a simulator (I am not a pilot) would definitely get my attention!
@@DB-thats-me Sully's flight, US Air 1549. What's scary is that you could hear those warnings in the CVR, which would freak out any trained pilot, but a terrain escape maneuver is a wee bit difficult if your engines got shredded by geese. The Hudson was all they had left.
I lived once in a little town near Salzburg and our neighbor was a pilot of Nicki airline and he said, in Salzburg they sometimes performed (or have to perform) maneuvers that they shouldn't do: if they had to do a turn between the mountains before landing in stormy conditions and if there at the most critical part of the turn, at the moment where the plane is pointing towards the highes montain (already at 5 - or 3000 feet or so) ... exactly the mountain you were training here to get over... and if then a wind shear would appear they had to go through the wind shear as the only option to avoid the wind shear would be at this special point just to fly against the mountain, he said. Surely they tried not to fly into the middle of the wind shear but big escaping maneuvers aren't possible.
And a wind shear exactly at this critical point at the turn would be rare bad- luck too. But this critical point is especially nasty if the wind comes a bit from the side and pushes you towards the mountains.
I also experienced my most extrem storm at a landing at Salzburg (storm Kyrill) where the plane had also to do this turn and we had to do one go around. I liked it though. Shortly after our landing they closed the airport.
So I especially like this @Mentour video 😊
That's why is not only important to know where terrain below you is, but ALSO where terrain IN FRONT OF YOU is. Aviation learned from disasters of the past and technology helped with better TCAS
Great job! This is my new favorite. The call outs and text containing portions of the checklist and/or details of a control are invaluable/
You know it's a great video when you dont breathe for 7 of the 8 minutes. Extremely interesting.
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@@MentourPilot its already done, keep up the great content.
The most tense moment was when Mentour asked for flaps 5. I wondered if lever will stuck. Happy it worked like butter :) Nice video guys.
lmao same here...happy he was able to take revenge on that flaps lever XD
Great video. I have watched so many videos of terrain crashes it’s nice to see what it looks like when it’s done right.
Excellent presentation, because of all the text annotations and pointing at the controls. Also the collaboration between PF and PM exemplary. So far the best presentation Mentour Pilot has ever done.
I was expecting another real-life incident recap. This really raised my heart rate. It must be intense actually being in the seat.
Wow.. IMC in that situation sure leaves little room for error. Fast acting and going by the book still doesn't negate the sense of fear of hitting a granite cloud. Well done!
I can only imagine how terrifying that would be as a passenger. Engines spin up to full, being pressed back against your seat, and just making out rocky terrain a few hundred feet below you.....
Yes, this wouldn’t be pleasant
@@MentourPilot To put it mildly 😂
I'm pretty sure if I was flying I'd be kinda afraid too, that was close, I was nervous for Mentour hahah
Actually pretty normal situation flying in Alaska. Usually this happens when socked-in by clouds so you can't see anything as a passenger. You just think, oh great-another go-round, now I'm going to be late.
At least the pax would not hear the 'TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP!' over and over :)
This is really important to add these text clarifications. It is like I'm watching this video for the first time. A lot of new important details are now available. Important not only for this particular manoeuvre, but also for other even more common situations during flight or simulation. Thank you for this fantastic job! Will try some new tips from this video in X-Plane)
I hope every pilot is as good as you! Them simulators are absolutely fantastic and look like a critical piece of training for every scenario imaginable. You had me on the edge of my seat 💺 👏
Excellent video! Thanks. I would love to see a replay of that exact flight with the weather changed to clear skies. :)
That was frightening...and it was in a sim and here I am sitting in a lounge chair in Queensland Australia. I cannot imagine how pilots feel when this actually happens.
Fine line between preventing a stall and chasing altitude. Brilliant example of the skills required.
crazy how u feel the atmosphere inside the cockpit change and getting very focused and tense. even without music overlay
Watch again at 50% and pause at 4:01. The aircraft is headed straight to a radio tower that topped at 7000 feet, minimum. It looks like the altitude is 7215 feet. You cleared by 215 feet not 400. Damn exciting.
Thank you Mentour. Absolutely Fantastic
You guys are awesome. On the one hand I love flying on the other hand I'm always a bit anxious when boarding a plane. Videos like this are great to realize, that there are skilled pilots on board.
I have been living for almost 2 years in Salzburg, close to the airport. Always loved watching and listening the 33 approaches over the city, especially the older Russian Tupulews, making a distinctive noise, compared to the Airbuses 😊
I can imagine! It’s a beautiful place!
@@MentourPilot absolutely, especially during winter season. Saudi 747 coming in, apron is occupied 😂 and of course the Red Bull Hangar 7 😍😍😍
WE NEED MORE OF THESE MENTOUR! THESE ARE GREAT! maybe followed by a video that explains the procedures and what happened!
Absolutely T E R R I F Y I N G ! Well done for adding the graphics, they are a tremendous help.
Sure enough, this is just a simulator and the worst thing that can go wrong would be screwing up the take for this video. But the calm (as in no panic but as quick as this situation demands) and professional reaction of both Petter and Lorenzo makes me believe that they would handle a similar situation in a real aircraft with the same level of professionalism. Thumbs up!
Great video! Learnt a few things. In this situation I imagine you'll be so engrossed in doing the procedures that you wouldn't have time until after to appreciate just how close you got to not making it. I imagine that'd be rather unnerving if it were for real.
Really close, I expected you could impact, when it came to 400 ;) Very nice video, it shows, that it is very dangerous situation and it's different from the previous video from terrain escape manuevere. Great job
Thank you! Glad you liked it
It actually got as low as 300. That was close.
Thank you for all your videos. I quaified for a PPL when I was in my early 20's but I was 'advised' that the career of flight crew was insecure. Advice like this from my father was tantamount to a Royal Command do I did not pursue this career. Now, I regret that, but, sadly, the clock cannot be turned back. However, your videos give me the chance to see what life might have been like had I ignored that 'advice'.
Years ago saw a PBS (U.S.) documentary, maybe Nova. It was about a plane that had simply vanished back in the very early days of passenger flights. Decades later parts of the plane surfaced. Back then no one knew about the jet stream. They now think the pilot thought they had crossed the Andies?? but due to the clouds and ignorance of the jet stream, instead crashed into the mountain, causing an avalanche which covered the plane. Over time the snow turned iceberg moved the crash down the mountain. It was an interesting documentary. We take so much for granted these days, that was unknown not to long ago.
Nice vídeo Peter greetings from Mozambique 🇲🇿
Great video! Salzburg was my mother’s Heimat, I’ve been there many times ♥️♥️♥️
WoW ,Intense,Much better then hollywood.
Great! Even though we knew it was simulated the tension was there and the professionalism evident.
I'll repeat what others have said--even knowing that this was a simulation, it was absolutely chilling to watch. no scary music necessary.
The scary music had the refrain, "Terrain! Terrain! Pull up! Pull up!"
As I was watching this thinking benefit of having two people in cockpit doubles the brain power, however, want both to have that "stuff" to react to their training and experience, be able to stay calm in the middle of impending doom.
There was a stage play production called "CVR" where actors portray flight crews of fatal crashes, script comes from transcripts from these events. They play out the incidents, at end of script they close the curtains. It was discussed on PBS some years ago, there were some flight schools and also airline pilots attended some of these shows.
Wow, absolutely fantastic! It did make me sweat 😓
I have a much greater respect for your experience, and training. This was intense.
This is the single most interesting video I have ever watched on YT. I was riveted!
Great to hear!
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That was awesome and scary at the same time. And very professional nobody panicked like that Air Disasters show
Fantastic video and a great demonstration!!!!! I hope I never find myself in that situation (as a passenger that is).
Holding that line between stalling and climbing was so insane.
Awesome video!! I got nervous too, even knowing this was a sim video -- still breathtaking!! Good job guys!! 💕💕💕
I liked watching you do this, learned a lot. Probably wouldn't enjoy it as a passenger doing it on a real flight, serious pucker factor.
You’ve helped me get over my flight anxieties! You rock!
We had a great traveling to Austria 10 years ago! Loved the towns and the Alpes as well.
I was just making a comment to ask why you didn’t put the gear up right away when you said on your video why you didn’t put the gear up right away, you’re awesome!
This video sequence is much better than most cockpit disaster scenes in films...
Maybe we'll see mentour in a Hollywood production some day :)
Going to have to watch this multiple times, so much was happening I couldn't keep up. Thanks!
The copilot's voice got a little stressed when the radio altimeter fell to 300 feet! Wow, this was quite a video! Edge of my seat nervous even knowing it was only a sim.
Why is my heart racing?! 🤣 That was a terrifying thing to experience ... the alarm going off and absolutely no sight. I give you pilots credit, SUCH SKILL! Well done guys!
I worked as TWR & APP controller at LOWS for 35 years and you would have scared the sh... out of me flying THAT procedure! For demonstration purposes heading for the highest mountain in your way may be ok, but in real life, if losing sight of the RWY on right base RWY33 PLEASE TURN RIGHT AS TIGHT AS YOU CAN (and climb) onto a safe heading towards LOW terrain. Very impressive aircraft handling though, I must admit! Thanks for the video!
Well that gave me anxiety but it was thrilling nonetheless!
I love this channel, but then again, I love to fly. It's really cool how you explain different scenarios.
Thank you! Really happy to hear that you like it!
That was so realistic!! You could see you were both "in the moment".
I want a simulator like that for Christmas please 😁😁👍
Now l can understand the stress situation of the pilots when there is something happens like this. Good video. Thanks
This type of video is amazing, more of this please!
Yes definitely please can we have more of this type of content, like Kourosh says the annotation is very informative and shows what you are doing in that crowded cockpit!
I have to say, I felt very nervous watching this video and my hands were sweating. It was great to see how you both reacted and interacted due to this situation. An excellent video as always. Such professionalism is always great to see. More videos dealing with unexpected situations like this would be very welcome. Thanks guys.
Memories! I last flew the terrain escape manoeuvre in the 737 sim not long before I retired a few years ago. Nothing has changed- still gets the adrenaline flowing. 👍
P.S. Don’t ever need to do one for real!
Amazing insight into the training that airline pilots go through.
Gosh, that was intense. Kept saying to myself ".... c'mon ...c'mon" when the stick shaker kept activating. Felt like I was in the cockpit with you.
I watched a great video recently of ex-AA pilot Van Der Berg teaching a class, the guy is such a pro and class pilot. I seem to recall he said go to 35 degrees until stick shaker, but I could be mistaken. He was explaining how mountain slopes are often steeper than climb slopes so you need to crank it.
You have to really keep your cool as a pilot ! Wow! Impressive! Love these types of videos Petter!
Nicely done! Very calm, and great to see the professionalism, especiallywhen things go wrong.👍👍👍
What a fantastic video! Very interesting to see how you guys deal with this kind of situations. The information really helps to understand what you’re doing. More videos like this!!!
Love how you always answer the questions without us having to ask.
I know absolutely nothing of flying but just as I was about to ask in the comments why you didn't raise the landing gear, you gave an explanation.
Sharp as a tack you pilot's 😁😁😁
Love it! Please make more of these!
Thank you! I will try to get my hands on a simulator
@@MentourPilot Or a video game would do, since it is not for instructional purposes, why not ? Or do your fear if you « train » away from realism it might be detrimental to your reflexes in the cockpit ? I’d think if you play MS Flight Sim, with keyboard and a gamepad it’ll be sufficiently different to be categorised as very different contexts and not confused in the event of an emergency in the real 737-800. Fly an Airbus in the sim to add distance.
Definitely made me pucker, even watching a simulated event. Nice to see the communication that takes place.
At 06:06 FO reports “ After Take off checklist completed” which is incorrect, he didn’t cross check the altimeters which in the situation you were in is crucial, and he knew he had to do it according to his 10 seconds of doubt, but nice video overall, I really enjoy this new format 👌🏻.
This is my MOST FAVOURITE video that you've ever done! I ended up sitting forward and stressing! haha
This was intense!! Can't imagine the feeling inside the cockpit when computer starts screaming terrain! Just doing what you do best and hope that it's enough
Awesome video!! Soo interesting and scary at the same time.. Also thanks for the on screen Information. It gave great insight. Thank you
Been watching your videos for a long time now, and I love your calm and positive demeanor! Which, of course, gives this video even more impact when the radar altimeter hits 300 and I hear you going "shit shit shit shit shit" XD
I found out on Monday my manager and I share a love for aviation. I told him about your channel. Hopefully, he sees this.
well done captain..great job
wow! The editing was great, and the on screen text was really informative and added a lot to the video compared to the previous escape terrain video! well done sir! The videos keep getting better and better!
Epic video. love the graphic overlays. knowledge is power.
That was very scary!!! Hope no pilot ever finds him/herself in this situation!!! 🤞
Thank you for the video!
Nice, LOWS is my Homebase ;-) Thank you!
Cool! So you know which rock we claimed over in this video? 😉
Crazy, as a non pilot sat watching this in my bedroom I had goosebumps all the way through after hearing the terrain alarm. Imagine the fear that must initially go through a flight crews body if they hear that alarm in fog or dark for real!
I've been in a few tight spots, and the feeling is not fear. It gets your attention in a very big way; there is a surreal sensation and all the trivialities of the day disappear in an instant. There are no thoughts of loved ones, no thoughts of "these may be your last seconds." At the same time everything seems awkward; nothing is perfect. Getting to that state of focused acceptance can be rough, though, and I'm sure a GPWS blaring does not make it smoother!
It may only be a simulator but the sweat is real.
I've done mountain flying training in light airplanes in British Columbia and California. You have to in western Canada if you want to fly anywhere interesting safely.
A little intense but fully enjoyed. Thank you for he ride along.!
Thank YOU for watching
Exciting...I never need to experience this. Great demonstration
Thank you for very good info regarding flying👍🙏🛬🛫
Wow, very interesting! Thank you so much. Greetings from Italy, Mentour!
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
Absolutely fantastic AF, very exciting.
I was surprised at the gear down. I understand the impact absorption, but surely having the gear down reduces the climb rate?
Like in the medical field, it's called "Risk vs. Benefit"...The impact in climb rate reduction is less than the benefit of terrain impact absorption.
"Situational Awareness", the two most important words in a cockpit.
Actually it can save your life everywhere and you should practise it always
My father always talked about situational awareness. Not only as a RCAF pilot flying but in nearly everything you do, driving a car, hiking in the woods, on our boat fishing etc. it can save your life.
I practice
"Situational Awareness" in the office all the time
Thank you for adding the text on screen!
Why does the "Vertical Situation Display" sometimes show the plane inside the terrain? e.g at 2:54
There is an explanation on screen at 3:03. The display shows the highest points in a swath around the aircraft, not just directly below it. When it showed them inside the terrain that means there was terrain above them but it must have been to the side (since they didn't crash).
Thomas is correct.
There could also be some other factors at play. Any system like this has errors to it, and depending on how that profile map is generated, those error's could be non-trivial. I believe it is made using the forward facing radar, which probably doesn't have great absolute accuracy, at least compared to the radio altimeter.
I would expect that in the design of such a system, you would error on the side of keeping the aircraft displayed on the lower limit relative to the terrain, because that is safer.
Example - lets say you think the aircraft is 400ft above the approaching terrain based on the radar data, but your system for determining that has a +/- uncertainty of 100ft. You might design the system to show the terrain only 300ft below the aircraft - since it's better for the pilot to think they are closer to the terrain than they really are, rather than the other way around...
Without knowing the more internal details of the radar/terrain system, or the exact route the aircraft flew, it's hard to say exactly what happened.
@@thomasdalton1508 Thanks, It was my mistake to skip over that part.
@@thedausthed Anyway, you asked a *great question* which answers above would help people not understanding terrain digitalization (and there is no need for everyone to learn about, just get the uncertainty margin for such case :) )
Well, I may add another point, it's "ergonomy/readability". If I were a software display designer on his desk with precise and accurate terrain data to convert to a profile, I would be glad to add all the peaks and valleys etc. But a pilot at low speed with turbulences (montaineous terrain) actually hates such fancy designs, what is important is thick clear large enough displays, preferably lines, not thin dots, you can read while being shaked around or if there is smoke/fire on board. A good design doesn't care about meaningless data (valleys), a good design makes safety comes first (separation around and above peaks).