For those curious, the theoretical basis of Icarus lives is alternating between the minor and major third. This concept was frequently explored by classical composers in the late 19th/early 20th century as a means of expressing ambiguity and conflict. A more recent and salient example is the Fallout 3 main theme, in which it's very easy to identify. In the beginning of Icarus Lives, the riff moves from the minor third to the major third frequently, but later on the motif is reversed, most notably when Spencer sings the word "history" on the last syllable, he descends in to a minor third melismatically.
+AbsoluteZ3R0 DUDE YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LATE ROMANTIC CONNECTION TO MISHAS WRITING. I wanna give you a high five lol Those tonal relations are probably the reason Racecar, Buttersnips, Ow My Feelings, Zero, Froggin & All New Materials have my favorite Periphery moments in them and are ALL in the pantheon of my favorite songs ever. That exact moment where Sponce sings "historaaaaaaaaaa-aaay" is the climax of that whole song for me too. So inspirational on how I write. In fact some of the bichordal close harmonies in the middle of Buttersnips where all 3 guitars are utilized to play all the notes of a tonic triad and relative dominant triad simultaneously at the end of the riff cycle was the startring point by which I wrote an entire original piece on piano called "Astral Fabric". I really ought to upload that on my channel ahah. Sucks theres only the occasional Periph song thatll come out to tickle my fancy in that way ever since post-debut album tho. Omegas title track certainly did tho. UMF So good. Hoping you see this lol. I like talking about dorky theory stuff :P
+Juan Sanchez This is what I was thinking while reading the previous comments. He basically hasn't studied theory yet he's writing songs that have complex theory in them. That's kinda mind blowing and gives me some hope about my guitar skills since I also know very little theory.
Juan Sanchez ZigZag theory tries to describe what we create from the ethers of our hearts and minds. no need for theory to explore or create music. theory just helps explain what we do. theory can help you explore if you want to use it as a map of the known. thats all
i REALLY like the way Misha sees the guitar as an instrument, and its different possibilities based not so much on theory, but rather on pure creativity. its all bout feeling and instincts. really good player this guy is
This song will forever hold a special place in my heart. Before this or Triviums almighty shogun, I had no idea 7 strings even existed. This definitely broke me out of that comfort zone and into a whole new territory. Thanks for sick riffs misha!
2:08 "I don't know if that's a particular scale or not.." God I love that Guitar World has somebody good doing lessons and columns that isn't a theory wizard...
No shit! I was thinking the same thing when he said "...tuned to A flat..." To keep any kind of tension on the string, the gauge of the low E must be 70's or higher. I think C sharp is the lowest that sounds good to me. Anything lower is so muddy and thick.
Couldn't agree more, they go hand in hand so well. If you know nothing about theory and you start a riff only to get to a point were you don't know where to go next, that's wheen theory comes into play. You know your theory, you know what notes work with that and where they are, from there you go with what you find sounds best
ROCKTROPOLIS is a progressive rock band that is like a volcano ready to explode upon your ears. Members include guitarist ROCKTROPOLIS, Bassist and Keyboardist Sam Metropoulos and Drummer Marc Stemmler. Influences are Dream Theater, Rush, Yngwie, Yes, Deep Purple and Iron Maiden to name a few.
the ESP was used for the song "Some Kind Of Monster" kinda silly, cuz´ it´s tuned drop C with an added high d....but invisible kid was played with a 6 string baritone (you can see james n kirk using them while playing the song at the rehearsal) and it´s Metallica, so they can tune their guitars whatever the fuck they want^^
@wydfarasprophecy from what i can tell, in this video he's in drop G#/Ab, which would be G#-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb, which is like being in Eb standard with the regular 6 strings and on the extra 7th having it dropped a whole step. so its like the tuning you said, just all of the notes dropped a half step. but if you tune all 7 strings down one whole step, youd have A-D-G-C-F-A-D, so dropping it would make drop G G-D-G-C-F-A-D. hope this helped and wasnt too confusing =)
"It sounds positively huge in my opinion". I don't know why but that fucking cracks me up. i've never thought of the sound of very heavy set power chords as sounding huge. I like that.
"Well, I don't really know what else to say. I'll just keep reminding everyone that I'm bending and using this picking style to create riffs that I crafted into a song." There is no way I could put this concept into any more detail than Misha is. Props.
syncopation includes a variety of rhythms which are in some way unexpected in that they deviate from the strict succession of regularly spaced strong and weak but also powerful beats in a meter.
yeah! Just because I don't use drop or open tuning, I use Standar B tuning, but the 7th is on F# to make it more low and heavy With 7 strings, I use just like it got 8, but don't count the 1st string as B
In this video, he's using the John Petrucci pickups, the CrunchLab/LiquiFire. Otherwise, I've seen him use Bareknuckles (Which are better but more expensive)
this video about the bends. it is turkish scale. also known as the 24 note scale. He uses awesome scales without knowing it. Because awesome comes natural.
to me thats what differs players and musicians. Players can play anything and know scales, formation, theory, pentatonics and whtnot but a musician plays from the heart an soul. playin by ear is the best training in my opinion because i played by ear and didnt learn tabs or sheets. not against those things but it doesnt help me musically. and my influences were Smasin pumpkins and nirvana in those day but my music always came out like BOO,periphery. and i love these guys
You don't need to know a lot of theory to write music like they do. It really comes down to having a good ear for melody, being able to choose notes that sound good together. You need to know how to count too, obviously.
@Immersedx He's not overrated... he has a unique feel for rhythm, melody and music as a whole. D'uh - just because you're watching one of their easier songs.
@ZorakSpaceGhost imo something mediumish gauge, usually when i play this kinda stuff i dont want the strings to be too thin otherwise they wobble around and you cant control them, but at the same time when they're too thick you won't be able to pick as hard and make the "snapping" sound important in djent, if that makes sense; but its up to you really just experiment and record yourself playing diff gauges and see which one sounds most djenty but like i said imo something medium is nice
I think the notes are in A harmonic minor. Possibly? Because he's grooving around the seventh degree of the scale maybe that's where the dark and evil sound comes from.
well 1 its majorly due to just the tuning. Even if u had everything exactly the same,if you dont have those thick strings & low tuning u wont get that right vibration he has. After that, simply alota gain gives it alota that sharp-to-the-ear crunch. Beyond that, it just comes down to pedals. Even with cheaper pedals, theres So much more there than ppl know because each sound can be tweaked like Crazy. So if you have a more expensive "mother board" pedal, the possibilities are near endless.
Man, that guy can feel the beat ! that's my big flaw... I wish he could do a video where he can teaches us about how to count right, rhythmic syncopation, 3 against 4, stuff like that !
@@skidmark6553- I reckon I must have discovered it was Buttersnips like 1-2 months after I watched this video, but I appreciate the response nonetheless. 🤝 Man, first watched this 12 years ago. 🥲 Time flies!
@gmoney101392 things in gp wont have the original 'flavor' because its a computer simulating the accents and stuff; ofc that's provided you haven't made mistake with the tabbing. if it is indeed an issue with the tabbing, try singing the riff while clapping your hands; then just work it out :) also depending on the song your riff may or may not fit into the 4/4, for example lots of messhugah drums are in 4/4 but the guitars aren't, BUT you still write it out in 4/4; hope i answered your question
@ArseLoad0fMetal666 If any subgenre is deserving of being mainstream then djent is the right one considering the chiche of metalcore and nu metal. Would you rather hear periphery on the radio or disturbed? I choose djent.
Kenny Ken That''s actually true. The ability to rhythmically and tastefully spread ghost notes in between actual pitches are what give a djent riff it's groove.
@tatecheddar Spoken like a true person who truly doesn't understand what music theory is about. It's not about imposing "rules" or boundaries, it's just a way of explaining what you're playing. It's like, you can call your instrument "that long bit of wood with some metal strings attached to it" or you can call it the proper name, "a guitar". Plus it can actually help you get the sound you have in your head, because you understand how to get that sound.
@Overture2152 I never said I enjoyed it. Personally, I think Djent is the dubstep of heavy music. I also never said I didnt like what you had to say, you certainly make a good argument.
to the ppl complaining about 'djent' becoming mainstream, meshuggah have sounded like this long before it even had its own genre - it was just called groove metal or something like that. 'djent' isn't really anything new.
@tatecheddar yeah youre right, but... man like, if you add theory its not necessarily putting math and science, and no it DOES NOT take the feel from it, if you add the right group of notes according to the relative key that your playing (Also known as modes) you can really put some nice feeling into it man. Sorry to break it down to ya but learning all that other gibberish stuff you don't like, is also very important! cause if you're playing in your comfort zone and just feel, you wont progress
@Karnivool09 i think when i first heard of meshuggah it was labeled as something like "math metal" or "technical metal" or whatever. groove metal meant something different like kyuss or whatever.
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the strap is driving me crazy
Now when you mentioned it -__-
OCD kicking in buddy?
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For those curious, the theoretical basis of Icarus lives is alternating between the minor and major third. This concept was frequently explored by classical composers in the late 19th/early 20th century as a means of expressing ambiguity and conflict. A more recent and salient example is the Fallout 3 main theme, in which it's very easy to identify. In the beginning of Icarus Lives, the riff moves from the minor third to the major third frequently, but later on the motif is reversed, most notably when Spencer sings the word "history" on the last syllable, he descends in to a minor third melismatically.
+AbsoluteZ3R0 DUDE YES
FINALLY
SOMEONE ELSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LATE ROMANTIC CONNECTION TO MISHAS WRITING.
I wanna give you a high five lol
Those tonal relations are probably the reason Racecar, Buttersnips, Ow My Feelings, Zero, Froggin & All New Materials have my favorite Periphery moments in them and are ALL in the pantheon of my favorite songs ever.
That exact moment where Sponce sings "historaaaaaaaaaa-aaay" is the climax of that whole song for me too.
So inspirational on how I write. In fact some of the bichordal close harmonies in the middle of Buttersnips where all 3 guitars are utilized to play all the notes of a tonic triad and relative dominant triad simultaneously at the end of the riff cycle was the startring point by which I wrote an entire original piece on piano called "Astral Fabric". I really ought to upload that on my channel ahah.
Sucks theres only the occasional Periph song thatll come out to tickle my fancy in that way ever since post-debut album tho. Omegas title track certainly did tho.
UMF
So good.
Hoping you see this lol. I like talking about dorky theory stuff :P
+James Peterson fun fact, Misha plays by ear and knows little to no theory.
+Juan Sanchez This is what I was thinking while reading the previous comments. He basically hasn't studied theory yet he's writing songs that have complex theory in them. That's kinda mind blowing and gives me some hope about my guitar skills since I also know very little theory.
wonderful comments thanks.
Juan Sanchez ZigZag
theory tries to describe what we create from the ethers of our hearts and minds. no need for theory to explore or create music. theory just helps explain what we do.
theory can help you explore if you want to use it as a map of the known. thats all
i REALLY like the way Misha sees the guitar as an instrument, and its different possibilities based not so much on theory, but rather on pure creativity. its all bout feeling and instincts.
really good player this guy is
This song will forever hold a special place in my heart. Before this or Triviums almighty shogun, I had no idea 7 strings even existed. This definitely broke me out of that comfort zone and into a whole new territory. Thanks for sick riffs misha!
When he was showing the basic notes of the song 2:03 - 2:06 it sounds like the intro to rainbow gravity
Ryan Privitera hahahaha that's right!😂😂
Badass song lol
Dayum
I believe the scale is in djentolian.
Not trying to be pretentious but technically djentolian is a mode, not a scale.
It's actually the min000000r scale
I really like that he gives you advice on how to write your own stuff. Makes his lessons quite interesting.
I love how he doesn't understand if it's in a scale; obviously wrote it by ear. Gives hope for the other people who haven't learned theory!
Yeah but he knows scales a little i think jeje
Gotta love that modesty. Very awesome guy.
Too much noise gate imo...
On his voice, that is.
2:08 "I don't know if that's a particular scale or not.." God I love that Guitar World has somebody good doing lessons and columns that isn't a theory wizard...
No shit! I was thinking the same thing when he said "...tuned to A flat..." To keep any kind of tension on the string, the gauge of the low E must be 70's or higher. I think C sharp is the lowest that sounds good to me. Anything lower is so muddy and thick.
Couldn't agree more, they go hand in hand so well. If you know nothing about theory and you start a riff only to get to a point were you don't know where to go next, that's wheen theory comes into play. You know your theory, you know what notes work with that and where they are, from there you go with what you find sounds best
ROCKTROPOLIS is a progressive rock band that is like a volcano ready to explode upon your ears. Members include guitarist ROCKTROPOLIS, Bassist and Keyboardist Sam Metropoulos and Drummer Marc Stemmler. Influences are Dream Theater, Rush, Yngwie, Yes, Deep Purple and Iron Maiden to name a few.
I literally just keep that first riff on repeat I'm basically addicted to it sooo much feeeeellll uhggg
the ESP was used for the song "Some Kind Of Monster" kinda silly, cuz´ it´s tuned drop C with an added high d....but invisible kid was played with a 6 string baritone (you can see james n kirk using them while playing the song at the rehearsal) and it´s Metallica, so they can tune their guitars whatever the fuck they want^^
That's right. Ah, but if you have seen the Some Kind Of Monster film, James was using an ESP 7 string so maybe he used that?
dude scales are super easy to learn and massive help when you write songs
This cool guy is really giving something to new generations of guitar players..! Keep it up misha!!
Noise gate voice.. why is this..?
Because that's how djent he is
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It annoys my ears
@wydfarasprophecy from what i can tell, in this video he's in drop G#/Ab, which would be G#-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb, which is like being in Eb standard with the regular 6 strings and on the extra 7th having it dropped a whole step. so its like the tuning you said, just all of the notes dropped a half step. but if you tune all 7 strings down one whole step, youd have A-D-G-C-F-A-D, so dropping it would make drop G G-D-G-C-F-A-D. hope this helped and wasnt too confusing =)
This guy seems to be a chill-out type, plus he play nice music, I think he knows what he is doing.
"It sounds positively huge in my opinion". I don't know why but that fucking cracks me up. i've never thought of the sound of very heavy set power chords as sounding huge. I like that.
great to see a seven string lesson, this song rocks
@megaluisdeth
The term comes from the sound of the palm mutes "djent djent" instead of "chug chug"
"Well, I don't really know what else to say. I'll just keep reminding everyone that I'm bending and using this picking style to create riffs that I crafted into a song." There is no way I could put this concept into any more detail than Misha is. Props.
syncopation includes a variety of rhythms which are in some way unexpected in that they deviate from the strict succession of regularly spaced strong and weak but also powerful beats in a meter.
I love his tone! It's very original!
yeah!
Just because I don't use drop or open tuning, I use Standar B tuning, but the 7th is on F# to make it more low and heavy
With 7 strings, I use just like it got 8, but don't count the 1st string as B
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In this video, he's using the John Petrucci pickups, the CrunchLab/LiquiFire. Otherwise, I've seen him use Bareknuckles (Which are better but more expensive)
@G0re0bsessed Well actually if you think about it its correct. Both Dubstep and Djent are heavily focused on instrumentals.
Love the guitar! Bernie Rico JR Jekyll 7 string right?
I want his guitar! seven string, natural wood color, awesome looking headstock, and the fact that its a bernie rico jr. !
this video about the bends. it is turkish scale. also known as the 24 note scale.
He uses awesome scales without knowing it. Because awesome comes natural.
to me thats what differs players and musicians. Players can play anything and know scales, formation, theory, pentatonics and whtnot but a musician plays from the heart an soul. playin by ear is the best training in my opinion because i played by ear and didnt learn tabs or sheets. not against those things but it doesnt help me musically. and my influences were Smasin pumpkins and nirvana in those day but my music always came out like BOO,periphery. and i love these guys
Fuck man, I want that tone without spending the money on an AxeFx.
You don't need to know a lot of theory to write music like they do. It really comes down to having a good ear for melody, being able to choose notes that sound good together. You need to know how to count too, obviously.
@Immersedx He's not overrated... he has a unique feel for rhythm, melody and music as a whole. D'uh - just because you're watching one of their easier songs.
@LOSKARE it's basically a rhythm created by focusing on a certain beat, hard to explain, but easy to understand when you hear it.
@Kmac2021 Technically it's the tone since Djent is an onomatopoeia for the tonal quality of the guitar. Staccato is the picking style.
@TheTurk92 its his custom made bernie rico jr 7 string
guitar strap pissed me off
@RougeFugitive
Bernie Rico Jr Jekel. Bernie Jr is the son of Bernardo Chavez Rico sr, the founder of BCR
@ZorakSpaceGhost imo something mediumish gauge, usually when i play this kinda stuff i dont want the strings to be too thin otherwise they wobble around and you cant control them, but at the same time when they're too thick you won't be able to pick as hard and make the "snapping" sound important in djent, if that makes sense; but its up to you really just experiment and record yourself playing diff gauges and see which one sounds most djenty but like i said imo something medium is nice
notice how the intro to icarus lives is neurotica by meshuggah lol
I think the notes are in A harmonic minor. Possibly? Because he's grooving around the seventh degree of the scale maybe that's where the dark and evil sound comes from.
2:08 its the altered scale for you who wanna know.
@rwfsmith hit the nail on the head, my friend.
Awesome stuff Misha!
Buttersnips by Periphery, in case you haven't figured it out already. Cheers!
@DYZSYX yes they are in the bridge i think its a crunch lab but not sure in the neck
intro song: Periphery - Buttersnips
4:07 what is he saying? I have my boobs?!!!
+Sayan Sengupta I think he said: "I have my BULB" (his signature model)
+Sayan Sengupta my Move***
well 1 its majorly due to just the tuning. Even if u had everything exactly the same,if you dont have those thick strings & low tuning u wont get that right vibration he has. After that, simply alota gain gives it alota that sharp-to-the-ear crunch. Beyond that, it just comes down to pedals. Even with cheaper pedals, theres So much more there than ppl know because each sound can be tweaked like Crazy. So if you have a more expensive "mother board" pedal, the possibilities are near endless.
I like his guitar. I wonder what brand it is.
i love the headstock of that guitar
Why use a floyd rose setup without actually making use of the floyd, why not just use a fixed bridge/hardtail? Im confused
Nath Smith tuning stability
Looks hella cool too
Which brand made this guitar? I mean the headstock is just miraculous.
7 string guitars existed long ago, they were 7 string aqustic guitars.
@Kmac2021 I absolutely and totally agree. It's all progressive and/or groove metal IMO.
Man, that guy can feel the beat ! that's my big flaw... I wish he could do a video where he can teaches us about how to count right, rhythmic syncopation, 3 against 4, stuff like that !
Hey, I'm sure someone will have said already, but what is the opening 14 seconds from? Pretty tasty riff! Thanks in advance to anyone that knows.
buttersnips
@@skidmark6553- I reckon I must have discovered it was Buttersnips like 1-2 months after I watched this video, but I appreciate the response nonetheless. 🤝
Man, first watched this 12 years ago. 🥲 Time flies!
@gmoney101392 things in gp wont have the original 'flavor' because its a computer simulating the accents and stuff; ofc that's provided you haven't made mistake with the tabbing. if it is indeed an issue with the tabbing, try singing the riff while clapping your hands; then just work it out :) also depending on the song your riff may or may not fit into the 4/4, for example lots of messhugah drums are in 4/4 but the guitars aren't, BUT you still write it out in 4/4; hope i answered your question
notice that the intro to icarus lives is basically neurotica by meshuggah
i have the same hook/claw pinky on my picking hand while i play too!
@ArseLoad0fMetal666 If any subgenre is deserving of being mainstream then djent is the right one considering the chiche of metalcore and nu metal. Would you rather hear periphery on the radio or disturbed? I choose djent.
Here's a little factoid for y'all.
Metallica has used this tuning that Misha is using in this video. Anyone guess which song it was?
Yes they do.
Who have seen it in 2011 and just came here accidental because of nostalgia?
best year for le djents
NasonJewton ayee
i wonder why they put so much reverb on his guitar sound, you can hear that it's not the natural reverb from the room he's sitting in.
@NickMercurio After the Burial sounds like him thank you very much.
@Kmac2021 Emo was a short term for emotional, indie was independant, djent is a new genre just like all the others.
@megaluisdeth Its a subgenre from metal. Its technical trippy heavy metal. That blows your mind.
By following Misha's principle, even DJ's who scratches vynil can play Djent
Kenny Ken That''s actually true. The ability to rhythmically and tastefully spread ghost notes in between actual pitches are what give a djent riff it's groove.
youre right its actually korns style they are biting.djent is just nu metal with guitar solos and different vocals.
Did anyone else try to keep a beat going to see if it all made sense while he was playing? XD
Seemed to be in good enuf time. Seeing as he had no click
@tatecheddar Spoken like a true person who truly doesn't understand what music theory is about. It's not about imposing "rules" or boundaries, it's just a way of explaining what you're playing. It's like, you can call your instrument "that long bit of wood with some metal strings attached to it" or you can call it the proper name, "a guitar". Plus it can actually help you get the sound you have in your head, because you understand how to get that sound.
@Kmac2021 Indie used to mean independent. Now it's a style. Give it another year...
Amen brother. I technically know like 4 chords but can write descent riffs.
Invisible Kid from St. Anger. but they played it with a 6 string baritone hobré.
@Overture2152 I never said I enjoyed it. Personally, I think Djent is the dubstep of heavy music. I also never said I didnt like what you had to say, you certainly make a good argument.
@GreenDayRockout he uses them in his white bernie rico guitar but in this one hes using a dimarzio crunchlab
Where this guitar tune would be situated in a piano, I mean octave wise?
One piece of constructive criticism: try to use a guitar with more visible fret markers when doing an instructional video. Beautiful guitar though.
And that's the riff right there, fuck yeah it is
@TheTurk92 It's a Bernie Rico Jr. I believe.
to the ppl complaining about 'djent' becoming mainstream, meshuggah have sounded like this long before it even had its own genre - it was just called groove metal or something like that. 'djent' isn't really anything new.
@Karnivool09 i can see that this comment was directed towards one of mine from some time back. i'm sorry to say that you missed my point entirely.
misha you are awesome, one of my guitar heros, along with vai :D
@tatecheddar yeah youre right, but... man like, if you add theory its not necessarily putting math and science, and no it DOES NOT take the feel from it, if you add the right group of notes according to the relative key that your playing (Also known as modes) you can really put some nice feeling into it man. Sorry to break it down to ya but learning all that other gibberish stuff you don't like, is also very important! cause if you're playing in your comfort zone and just feel, you wont progress
I think it´s good when you know some theory stuff, but only if you´re still creative with it...
@Karnivool09 i think when i first heard of meshuggah it was labeled as something like "math metal" or "technical metal" or whatever. groove metal meant something different like kyuss or whatever.
@thehside Man, his career has taken off even more than i had suspected! :O
1:59 "Bouncy feel, I feel like"
@TANTRUMENTAL oh....those pickups sounds great...
@njegos88 ...yes, as it's played on just one string. Would be strange if he needed 2.
coolest man alive.