Really Worth 6X More!? Toyota Land Cruiser vs Land Rover Discovery
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If I'm wheeling in the middle of nowhere... reliability is actually my #1 concern.
20yrs of owning a D2 and its never left me stranded
But if you're stuck in the first bit of rough terrain 😂 stuck is stuck
( I'm still choosing the 80)
How often do owners of off-road vehicles in the developed world 'wheel' in the middle of nowhere on their own?
In the UK we get the 200 and 300tdi in the landys, they are much more reliable then what you get in the states.
Both cars are icons but I agree with TFL, the reliability factor is way over blown. Yeah the Toyota is a little more reliable but for the extra cost, you are paying a lot for reliability. The LR can be a relativity reliable vehicle too with the right model and maintenance. Also, the LR features are in a class above the Toyota. The Toyota is pretty basic, that’s what makes it reliable.
Overall LR is a really good buy for the money & features. The LC is dead reliable up to a point but lacking some features and you pay a lot for the car. Plus do you really want to drive a $20k 80 series off road that often?
The choice between the 80 and the D2 was a dilemma I had 9 years ago. D2s were going for $1k-5k and the 80s were $7k-12k. I ended up with the D2 (which I still have) because it was newer, had 105k miles, and was cheaper. After 9 years, I have enjoyed my D2, but I should have gone with the 80. The amount of money I have spent to keep the D2 on the road in all this time would have afforded me an early 100 by now.
That's why this sort of comparison makes no sense - the market price IS the price for good reason - everyone knows that the Disco COULD be reliable but most likely won't be and will be very expensive to repair.
@@CeeJay591 The review does make sense. Both are similar in design (boxed ladder frame, full-time 4wd, solid axles front and rear, wagon body style). You can still find an 80 for $7k-10k, and D2 prices have creeped up to $3k-10k now. I think it's best to view this as someone who wants the capability of the 80, doesn't want a Jeep, but is looking for something at a lower price point. And someone willing to do their own work. Shop costs will certainly blow the budget past a good 80 in short time.
@CeeJay591 they really aren't anymore expensive to repair than a Toyota. Just don't go to the dealership. They're pretty basic trucks.
@@krover01 agreed. Super easy to wrench on if you're handy as well.
@@xm3ntal620 Exactly. Massive enthusiast and aftermarket support and they're old enough it's all well-proven and understood technology. If you're the sort of person who takes a car to a dealer to have the oil changed then no, don't buy one. In fact, don't buy ANY 30 year old vehicle. But assuming you're at least minimally willing to do some basic maintenance yourself the Rover is simple and cheap to keep alive and happy.
The Discovery is an icon.
The Land Cruiser is an icon.
Both are generally pretty awesome, and both occasionally suck.
So pick the one you want and go have fun!
The most accurate comment on this subject!
the only good answer
Or have both!
The discovery lies dead all over the world, with the suckers that bought them regretting their decisions to buy
Simple as that. And that fits in your pocket.
I own a 2002 Land Cruiser and I have to say that I love the reliability and feeling of being able to go anywhere but man if you ever get a chance, drive a Land Rover down the road and you will know why people buy them, really nice buttery smooth drive.
Great video but there are mistakes. The LR 188hp 4.0 liter V8 (an old Buick engine basically) is actually fairly reliable. It will leak and have electronic gremlins but the engine itself is pretty solid. Casey is confusing (twice now) this engine with the later generation 4.6 liter V8 (217hp) which came in 2001 and is the engine that suffers from slipped cylinder liners.
…and the FJZ LC is a 4.5 liter engine, not 4.2 as Tommy claims
I love the interior on that Land Rover. There is so much light coming in from all angles. I wish more manufactures opened up the windows for better visibility in the name of safety and enjoyment.
Great video guys. I really enjoyed it. Although I have never owned an 80, I have owned a 60, 100, and a 200. All bought new. I have also owned a 2000 Discovery, also purchased new. All are easy to modify. For my Disco, at all of 32 miles on the odometer, I installed an ARB bumper with a 12.5K winch, a 2” Old Man Emu lift, ARB front and rear lockers, relocated the axle and transfer case breathers, and larger Dunlop MT. Later I installed the CDL modification so was triple locked. Then I used it. The Disco would go anywhere. But certainly not trouble free. Went through multiple transmissions, 8 expensive heated windshields, and a lot of weird electrical gremlins. The Land Cruisers? Not a single real failure over hundreds of thousands of miles.
If you went through “multiple transmissions” something is wrong, in all the 14 land rovers I’ve ever owned I’ve never had a ZF transmission give me issues.
The first transmission started slipping badly at around 30k miles. Replaced under warranty. The second transmission had a computer issue that showed up after 5k miles. Replaced under warranty. After that the transmission issue was resolved.
@@riverbedoverland I agree. My d2 has 240k and the trans is original
@@krover01 yup….. I know you’ve wheeled your rover more than most people I know and more than alot of Toyotas out there
@@riverbedoverland Exactly. The ZF HP24 used in the D2 is ultra-reliable. Even the earlier HP22 as well. I almost NEVER hear of problems with them and they're rated to 350 lb-ft of torque. They're used in all sorts of cars over the years and rarely ever have problems.
The TD5 engine is what you should really have in a D2. Chip it to 170-210hp and 350-420nm and its a beast on offroad. Unfortunately US doesnt have the good diesel engines from Land Rover. Been daily driving it, taking it to competitions, camping in it, never left me stranded, the only time something breaks is during the competitions but everyone breaks things there.
TD5 was a beast. It's a shame that whole engine series got value engineered out of existence.
The traction control system on the Land Rover surprised me. It got thought that articulated section quite a bit easier than the Toyota, even with clearly less axel articulation. I'm a Toyota guy for life. The FZJ80 is just special. Like every other Toyota enthusiast out there, its basically my dream truck. But definitely impressed by that Discovery
For all the flack Rovers catch for reliability their traction control is second to none. Rover, along with Mercedes are the originators of the brake based traction control and terrain modes for passenger trucks and SUV's and both still have slight edge in this area over everyone else though the margin is slim these days. The reason Toyota has A-TRAC and Ford has GOAT modes is Land Rover. If not for their notorious (it's better now but still patchy) lack of reliability Land Rover would be about the only SUV you ever saw on a trail. They've been their own worst enemy for decades.
I'm a die-hard Dii guy (own one myself w 247k miles) and the traction control system is amazing! Ik a buddy w an 80 series and that truck is magical. Love that thing
I see why people would like Toyota they are very reliable and cool looking trucks and good off-road however nothing comes close to a Land Rover off-road they are in A League of Their Own I love Land Rovers always will. an old Defender or disco 1 or disco 2 is the go-to vehicle
So lemme get this straight.... a box stock D2 with tiny worn out street tires just walked a vaunted yota 80 series with a lift and 33s? Yeah, seems about right. Those who know, know. Those who don't...believe all the 4th-hand stories about how a freind's cousin's sister's roommate once read a story online about a guy who heard of a LR that cost $1,000,000 to own. SMH
Those who know, know land rover is shit when it comes to reliability.
@@gazelom except you know, those that actually wheel them say otherwise - it's those who don't who seem to be worried about this. Aside from that, there are other important factors at play, like not owning a beige car.
Except those who know don't wheel in them, because they know. And you know beige is sexy.
Much agreed, and if you begin to search for Toyota, there are also faults with them. Even the one we saw in this video, can errors that costed some money and time to repair.
I was looking for a 1990 4runner and it's got a v6 petrol engine that breaks down. For example the exhaust v that sends heat to parts that then break down. The later bigger engine is the one to install. But in my country, that is illegal, and demands new reg. tax, so that is 180% on top of the price. TO begin with, the 4runner had to be rebuilt with proper suspension, MUCH better brakes and lockers etc. Again illegal, and/or a huge bill to the state. Really really difficult to do here. So I chose the Land Rover and it's been pure fun, very capable and with some errors of course, that I've corrected, such as a head light (broken by previous user), a bluetooth module, a light module and a GPS antenna. All bought second hand for NO money, + normal extensive service you will want to do on ANY 17+ year old car - diff oils, diff filters, Haldes service, full brakes, crank breather plus normal service. Not expensive and not difficult at all. Will I ever own a Landcruiser? well, they are in fact 6-8 times more expensive, and the 4runner 4-5 times more expensive. A standard 1990 4runner is NOT an offroader in comparison to my Land Rover. Both needs to be lifted, other wheels and a lot more. Then they work. The steering on the 4runner is not something to write home about, so much better on the Land Rover. Brakes likewise. In my view, all cars have to be rebuilt if they should work properly. And there's always tradeoff's to road manners if you make the off-roading better. Btw. the Toyota had 0 crash test stars, the Land Rover 5 stars. That is also why in my country, the Land Rover being expensive in tax, is cheaper that the Toyota in insurance. I know Land Rover is a seriously stolen car in the UK, but that is not the case here. But militant woken females throw stones at your 4x4, so beware, as well as the state making it illegal to drive it in the cities. Hard to get a proper 4x4 these days. The new ones? Forget it. MUCH too expensive. Cost the same as a house. And I like the classic ones FAR more. Real cars. Not stupid infotainment screens the size of a house.
This video was not fair because of tires, wheels, and other things. But at least they said it in the video. So let's see what they can both do later on. In the end anything can and will break down. A lot has to do with preventative maintenance.
I like both Toyota and Land Rover.
Kind regards.
I think you'll ultimately end up spending the same amount with the Discovery. That dollar amount also comes with all the hassle and time lost. The Land Cruiser gives you the peace of mind at the same cost.
You would be extremely hard pressed to spend 17k on maintaining a land rover unless you were paying stealership prices and had to replace the engine twice or something
buying any vehicle at that age does not give me piece of mind unless I put that much money into it..
buying a 80 these days still requires work, their old and bushings and moving parts dont last forever, sure the engine is bullet proof but the rest still needs maintenance.
the disco will be more money thats obvious but the finances wont add up still. the LC will be more expensive to buy and still require work.
Truth us overlanding/offroading aint cheap which ever route you go.
The Discovery is a great buy for the home mechanic. Everything is understood, its a nice place to be.
D2, any day of the week including a monday!!!! Love them! Reliable too if regularly maintained! Far better kitted than the 80. Climate control, duel sunroof, electric seats awesome sound i could go on and on! D2 awesome!
You need a psychiatrist
I Love Disco two's buttonhole Defender or a disco one would be even better a disco one with a 200 TDI or 300 TDI is very reliable and absolutely bulletproof off-road
The problem with any 20 plus year old vehicle that you have not owned from new is how it was taken care of and who worked on it over the years. As awesome as an 80 Series is, be prepared to always have "something" that needs to be fixed. Plastic parts, rubber hoses, switches, electronic valves, wiring, etc all fail with time, even with minimal driven miles. Corrosion and electrolysis is a huge issue depending on where the vehicle lived. We've seen 80 Series Land Cruisers with huge electrical gremlins because of shoddy work or modifications done on them from multiple previous owners. If you spend $12k to buy an "excellent condition" 80 Series, be prepared to spend another $6k to make it right, especially if you're not doing all the work yourself and have to pay shop rates.
So true. I'm a Rover guy and admit the yota is a very reliable vehicle. But I have a number of Yota friends who spend as much if not more time wrenching on their stuff as I do. Honestly if you're buying any 20-30 year old vehicle you need to be able to handle basic maintenance yourself and you need to keep up with it. Luckily both of these have large enthusiast bases to pull from and are old enough most things are well understood.
I’d personally go with the Discovery simply out of personal bias, I can completely see why somebody would spend 5x more on a 80 series though, I have a 55 year old series 2 with a 3.5 rover V8 swapped into it by the previous owner and have another vehicle as well, I think if you can work on your own stuff and have a spare car along with the time, the disco should be on your list, otherwise no.
You again?? 😂😂😂
@@manuelpiston who r u
And you can just go out into the unknown with the Landcruiser the way it is without engine swaps etc. 😅
@@pnwmva Land Cruiser won't go as many places as a landy tho. Land rovers are in a league of their own offroad😂
I love that you are back covering the Land Rovers. LR3 owner myself.
Among my club we regard the LR3 as the gateway drug of Rover ownership.
The LR3 is a great choice!
Cough cough what about the Disco 4? The last of the off-road boxes@@donhappel9566
Have owned both driven 100s of thousands miles neither have left me stranded. 1991,1994 triple locking and 2000 land cruiser s 2005 lr3 hse HD rear locker. Not getting stuck is pretty high priority when off road.
Slip liners and head gasket failure on the Rover can be avoided by using the inline thermostat mod which replumbs the coolant flow to be more traditional setup instead of that Jarvik looking thermostat, and use of lower temperature thermostat 180*F. This will prevent extreme temperature fluctuations, prevent 215-230 *F normal operating temperature that these engines weren't meant to handle using 1960-1970 era designed aluminum Buick engine, which by the way those engines only ran 165*F in those years, you can argue that they may use better material however its overall design is haven changed ie water passages, engine cooling capacity ect, for higher thermal stress. Higher thermal operation for efficiency sake is what kills these motors!
I own a ‘96 LX450 w/diff lockers on it. It currently has 162k on engine. I’ve not done any modifications and it have never let me down. Have been impressed with it!
Great video as usual!
I'm selling my TD5 Disco 2 with 134k Km and will miss it like hell. It might not be the most reliable thing but in my opinion it has more personality than any othe off roader.
I can't seem to give away my 03 Disco hse for $2000 obo. Bought it was 84000 miles for 5500. Had it 8 years, spent over 15k on maintenance and repairs. Got 140,xxx miles now but bad misfire. Replaced plugs and coils, now wanted to do a leak compression test. Might be a dropped sleeve. Good luck selling yours!
Personally I’d go with the Discovery , reliability really isn’t an issue on a well maintained discovery. I may be biased but I think price aside I still prefer the Land Rover
I daily drive a highly modified D2 and it's been one of the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned. If you take care of them and don't let them get hot, they are reliable. Getting really tired of the unreliable trope.
But my cousin's friend's roommate from collage read on the internet about how somebody in a forum had to take his to the dealer all the time at $200/hr to rotate the tires and change the oil!! What a horrible unreliable money pit!
@@donhappel9566😂
Despite the money difference, I'd 100% go with the Land Cruiser. Cruisers are so popular that the amount of aftermarket support is beyond belief, and if the engine isn't powerful enough, there's probably guys out there that have conversion kits to the 4.0L V6, 4.7 or 5.7L V8. The Land Cruiser is nicely equipped but can almost be considered a blank canvas for modding and upgrades.
I don't know the yota market, but there is a massive support structure of enthusiasts and aftermarket companies providing parts and upgrades for Rovers. I'm sure neither of them holds a candle to the Jeep world then again nothing does.
@@donhappel9566 I'm pretty sure the jeep and Land rover upgrades are in par with each other
@@adrianharrison5208 Oh, the Jeep aftermarket is SO much larger, at least here in the states. As a Rover guy I wish we had 1/10th the aftermarket support. But then again, nothing has as much support as the Jeep so that's a tall ask. Example - right now I'm about to build some tube fenders for my D1 because nobody makes an aftermarket fender flare that will accommodate a large tire - just have to fab it myself. If this was a Wrangler, I'd have a dozen bolt-on options to choose from.
@donhappel9566 Worldwide. With the internet you can order from UK or Australia. Can't say the same for Jeep.
Hey there TFL! Could you guys please do a test of the newer Land rover discovery 4 (LR4) vs the landcruiser of that generation? Would be a cool follow up on this video!
I purchased a 1997 FZJ80 Triple Locked with 165k Miles earlier this year for $16k. I've owned Jeep TJ Rubicons, FJ40's, A Diesel Suzuki Samurai, you name it. The 80's series triple locked has been the most amazing rig off road I have experienced. The 80 Series does have a few funny electrical issues that have been fun to work through ( power mirror on one side, power door lock in the rear ). I've went through all the fluids, replaced the common seals for oil leaks and just rebuilt the front axle with new inner axle seals because it was leaking diff fluid a little, new tune up, etc. I now feel completely safe to go anywhere with it. What's nice is how stable the 80 is, it doesn't feel top-heavy like a lifted Jeep does, it feels tight and agile. The motor has great low end torque - and is smooth because of the straight six. It really is a dog on hills at highway speeds. But low end offroading torque has plenty of power. The lockers are amazing. It just wants to climb through anything. I'm really loving my 80's series.
80 series with lockers all day, every day. One of the best 4wd ever made. Still regret not buying my dad's single owner 80 series turbo diesel manual from him. Though he has a turbo diesel 100 series now, so I won't make the same mistake again.
Tommy/Case - thank you for another interesting and enjoyable video. Your commentary is very helpful and spot on. We bought our 1996 LX450 used with 15k in 1998. Although it's been mostly my wife's urban mall crusher, it has seen it's share of camping and off-road. We have over 330k miles and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. It has truly earned its reputation for reliability. We still love this car.
Yes, it’s worth it! Owned a D2, a P38, a 100 Series, and 80 Series. The one I still own, for the last 20 years, is my Locked FZJ80. About 15 years ago, I added the factory TRD SuperCharger - which made the sharp climb up Eastbound Vail Pass SOOOO much easier. Going on 248,000 miles.
I own a Giverny Green late Disco 2 - had from new in 2004 - same colour as your old Disco. The TD5 motor has been reliable other than one turbo that blew 6 months out of warranty - and LR came to the part and covered 2.3 of cost. One fuel line break by fuel tank (poor design) and that it is for mechanical issues. Survived hitting a 6' 'roo (ARB bar). A superb car, and I used to help out on offroad races with teams of people driving Landcruisers (troopies), Pajeros, Patrols etc etc - and all would warn of rough terrain the Disco sailed over.
Enjoying this content and looking forward to see how you all get on. Both are good “do it all” vehicles and offer a great deal to their owners. I was fortunate to have had a 97 Disco for work, operating mainly off road. It never put a foot wrong in 7 years.We ran several Hilux too which were also good. Preventative maintenance is key I have found for longevity & reliability . Are we to assume that Nathan will buy the Toyota off TFL for himself? I hope so. It’s good to see you all enthusiastic about your Disco 2, LR3 & the Land Cruiser. It’s great when vehicles make you smile. Enjoyable content & presentation 👍
The one to go for are the earlier GEMS Discovery 1. I've had a D2 and now a D1. Both have(had?) been very reliable. But the D1 is immensely better to wrench on than the 2. Plus better departure angles.
What gets you is parts availability. You'll have to order everything that isn't wipers or spark plugs etc.
@@Bulletstop75 Parts are still ok if you live in UK. I run a Discovery 1(28 years old) as my daily driver and stuff is still pretty easy to find.
Great video, looking forward to seeing more of both!!!
Great Video! I like the comparison videos of higher priced vehicles vs the alternative "value priced" (cheap is a dirty 5 letter word...) vehicles. Keep up the great work guys!
Thanks for the kind words!
at 03:00 "You do have to put out a bit of coin for that dependability" pretty much sums it up.
Here in Europe we get the discovery with the 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo diesel engine, which is really good. Those trucks have great fuel economy, parts availability as the 2.5L diesel is also used in the Defender and range rover, and great torque and performance! I love the diesel disco
I am more of a Land Rods guy and I am just stuck with its iconic body styling. I love LR and RR
The discovery rides a lot better and drives better, and is far more maneuverable. The driving position is amazing too, but you will always have that worry that you might get stranded and you will be checking fluids at every fill up.
It is expected to check fluids at every fill up also if any spots are found after parking. Monitor for changes, and develop base. Brand new engines can use oil, especially off road vehicles are exposed to vibration, jarring and other factors that can lead to leaks.
No it is not normal at all, hasn't been for a long time. I don't remember the last time I saw someone even open their hood. It's more of the fact that you know you have to because if you dont it can cost $$$$$ real quick. One overheat on these engines and they are toast.@@jeffrentsch4318
" Rides and drives alot better" yet no one buys a Landcruiser for ride quality 🤣. They buy them because it's reliable AF and could care less how it drives.
Just saying it like it is, have you ever rode in one? You could say the same about a camry and a rolls royce @@pnwmv
Y’all better keep your word and compare them again after the Rover gets some mods. Been dying for these two to go head to head for years.
This is really as testament to the Discovery's capabilities considering such a huge disadvantage (tires). Goes to show how much hype surrounds the land cruiser
That 4.0 is actually not bad I have one if you keep it running right you use the right oil the right attitude is at times you use high-octane you take care of any tiny emission issue right away and you get all that 180 something horsepower and 250 torque it actually feels really good I have 33s my flies down the road with Factory gears and no sway bars so if you feel like it's losing power it's probably getting tired and you could do a little R&R to it
You never got the reliable Landy engines in the states, the uk 200 and 300tdi are very reliable. The freelander 2s 2.2tdi gives great reliability. The us got poor choices of engines.
Just picked up a 200 series Land Cruiser a couple weeks ago, largely because of your TFL PRO series. Keep up the good work, guys!
I’m a hardcore Toyota guy for the daily driver but I do own a 04 D2. I bought it because I just really wanted a Land Rover and wanted to get out in the mountains. $5,500 for a one owner 72k on the clock. 3 years in and 30k more on the clock and all is well. Many road trips up and down the west coast and few off road adventures and all is well. The problem with the D2s are well known and so are the solutions. I do all my own work and its been fun to work on.
I love my d2. I use it primarily for off road trips. 33's Ashcroft tripple locked with ome lift. All in about 4k. It'll go anywhere (and come back)
I had a 1HD-T (turbo diesel) 80 Series - sold it a while back. Bought a 300Tdi Disco 1 recently.
Very different cars. But ~20-25k for another 80 or 4500 for the Disco, wasn’t a hard choice.
Disco is way easier to work on. Engine isn’t as nice as the 4.2 turbo diesel but not much is. Be interesting to see how they go reliability wise - 80 needed constant work
I know someone with a 1hdfte powered Range Rover Classic, best of both worlds although my td5 is just about equal on power and gets 10L/100 to his 17L/100, with a slight tweak to the pump, a bit more boost. The 300tdi’s pick right up and feel a lot more similar to the 1hdt and are still absolutely bomb proof returning 9L/100
Looking forward to seeing an LS swap process on that disco. getting ready to do the same thing next year on a 110
Love both of these vehicles but got to say reliability is more important for me. If I was just using the D2 it as a weekender maybe. I have a 2003 4runner that has 310,000 miles and it has been rock solid. In the last 100k I had to replace light bulbs and clips for my bug guard (oh and the carpet liner on my back seat came loose). That alone makes the 4runner worth it from a maintenance perspective but I also bought it for 6k about 4 years ago. If the 80's are as reliable as my 4runner then that would really influence my decision.
I daily drive my 2000 Disco 2, I have to say that white one is beautiful. To me the Disco 2 is the coolest looking rig on the road!
I'll take the Discovery, In fact I'll be buying one next year. also you don't need to go adding that Chevy boat anchor if you are worried about the rover liners. There is an absolutely amazing back up in parts for the Disco 2, I would not be worried at all about not finding a pet for it, or modified part for that matter
Both the 4.0 and modern LS are both Chevy boat anchors lol, comes down to the other boat anchor making more power.
As a long time rover owner I’ve found the earlier blocks especially those in disco 1s and Range Rover classics do not suffer from liner slipping whatsoever and not near as bad on head gaskets.
The key is service and keep the coolant system up to date and they’ll last as long as any Toyota out there
I see the comparison between the new and buyer class, but in the used market people rather buy a 4runner or Xterra than the Land Rover Discovery.
Xterra is such a great sleeper off roader, I want one bad. Wish Nissan would bring it back, but the brand is just lost.
@@TheCapn23 I own 2. One with 300k on it.
I totally respect and love both, both very capable amd icons. In europe we were lucky ro have the oprtion if the td5, a 5 cylinder diesel, which was very reliable and torque(for old land rover standarts). We had an lr2 with the center locking diff, with some upgrated suspension and bfgoodrich tyres. Thats thing could go anywhere. And it was a high spec model too, so it was nice.
Great video guys. Very fair. I’ve mentioned this in the past, but when you are testing open diff vehicles, I wish you would try the “poor man’s locker”. Just a little brake to stop the spinning wheel transfers torque to the other wheel. Similar (but not quite as good as modern ABS systems). That technique got me an my FJ-40 into, and more importantly out of some interesting spots. Yes, I still wish I had it …😢
I've had my 2004 Disco since 2010 and its a member of the family. Even with over the top maintenance, the engine sleeve has slipped, the rest of the preventive maintenance is what it s but the disco is such a special car, it will never leave my garage.
If you can (outside US) pick a TD5 equipped over the petrol V8 and you have a cheap and easy to maintain very capable 4x4 that also does on road really well.
One of the top reasons I purchased an 80 is the triple locks. That's one of the big differences between it and most other 4x4s (pretty much only the 80 and the G Wagon has triple locks as standard in the UK). Personally I would not have purchased an 80 if it wasn't triple locked.
I own an '03 Dii with 247k miles. The 4.6 V8 is known to be less reliable than the 4.0 V8. With that being said, a chevy 180° thermostat will fix many of your problems with the Dii (slipped liners, head gaskets, cracked block). I also believe that the '00 Dii models still have a place on the t-case where you can put in a Di or '04 Dii t-case lever, where you can lock the center diff. If you want to maybe find a cheaper alternative to an LS swap a 180° thermostat will fix many of your problems...except being slow...that's a Rover thing. That green Dii actually got me turned on to TFL years ago, so nice to see a Dii back!
Got my 96 triple locked Landcruiser from an old lady that sold it for $1000. Her husband had died and she just wanted it off her lawn. Needed new gaskets, radiator, and fluids but what an amazing vehicle. Sucks gas and oil but I’ve gone through areas that other off road guys can’t get through plus I carry my tent up top so when I get somewhere I just set camp and rest.
That was a steal!
If you find yourself in places far from home and help then reliability is huge. If you are in a situation where you're not far from home or help then a less reliable, less expensive vehicle makes sense.
Like you mentioned there are some differences in these vehicles... But I love that you show this kind of stuff. If your going out to buy a vehicle to play with seeing what you can get for your staring point and dollar is great. One thing that would be great to see is how these tow would handle trenches with the sway bar end links disconnected. I know that toyota has a lot more flex capability with that lift and keeping tires on the ground without lockers is key. The disco sway bars look very stiff. I'm betting the sway bars disconnected it would keep the tires on the ground in the corse. And much better offroad ride quality. Looks like there's a lot of side to side toss due to the stiff swaybars. The swaybars are great for on road handle and I don't recommend driving highway speeds without them.
Best discovery 2 is a TD5 manual, most 80s 105s and 70s don’t come close to its capability, 4” lift and sitting on 35s it out wheels pretty much everything, with a reliable tune it’s near on 250hp, the Traction control is seriously impressive and works incredibly well, in saying that the Buick V8s are better left at 3.5 or 3.9, the 4.0 and 4.6 liners are a serious issue, can be fixed with top hat liners though.
Both vehicles are great off-roaders. I did split the difference and have a 2014 4Runner Trail. Yep, it is even a bit more than the Land Cruiser but a lot newer and has a rear locker, crawl control and ATRAC. Yes, you could get lockers in the LandCruiser. Now it would compare better for traction. But now it is up with the price of my vehicle. Everything is a compromise, with the lift and 33's mine only gets 15mpg. Oh well...
I agree, to be fair the d2 faults are so well known, you can make it reliable before hitting the trail as a weekend off road car. However for long overland trips, it’s a bit risky 😂
Having owned 4 cruisers, an FJC, AND a Discovery I 5 speed… I would say the Discovery is comparable, if not better than the 80 off-road unless it’s a triple locked 80. Triple locked will own any Disco. The Discovery 5 speed wax more enjoyable to drive off-road though. I owned my 80 for 20 years so I have a pretty good understanding of them. Both my Disco I and 80 had comparable OME lifts and bumpers/kit. I think you guys need to find a 5 speed D1 for a project. Super underrated and is basically a super discounted Defender with better creature comforts.
Of course you can just call up ARB or Ashcroft and lock the Disco and still be money ahead of the yota. As for a manual D1, a hard find in the US.
@@donhappel9566 yeah, honestly any D1 in good condition in good shape is getting that way. But man, what a pleasure to drive. Mine also had a 4.6 conversion which gave it a bit more low end grunt.
@@Kristian_Saile This is true. My D1 is heavily mod'ed as a trail rig and runs a 4.6, but I just got hold of a totally stock D2 4.0 and had forgotten how nice it was. Quite. Reasonably quick (well, at least compared to my truck). and SMALL - my tires come almost to the hood line on the stocker!
If you apply the brakes on the LC (or any open diff vehicle), it acts like traction control. You don't need a computer to do it, just two feet.
Great video 👍
I am a huge Toyota fanboy but I can see the appeal for the Discovery. I think the Discovery is going to shoot up in value next few years. A decade from now, both the LandCruiser and Discovery going to hold the value equally.
01 Land Cruiser owner here. 4.7 V8 with 325k miles. Never broken down. Neighbor with a Discovery can’t even make it to a weekend camping trip despite meticulous maintenance.
Both are really great cars. I almost bought an 80s series but then “settled” for a 100 series only to realize it was a 105 just before I bought it. Test drove a Disco 2 before buying the 105 and it’s a great car as well. I also own a Disco 4 for reference, but my choices for an off-roader were a Disco 2 / 80s series / Nissan Patrol.
105 is the hands down best 100 series LC.
Reliability is priority number one when considering travel. I’m about to take my 1995 LC Arron LA to Cape Hatteras, NC, and I have zero concerns about reliability (nor capability).
My discovery 1 is always broken but never broken down. It has never left me stranded.
Great take guys! I’m an 80 series owner and I would keep it forever…paid 10k for it and have spent around $7k to do a baseline on it…
I have a relative with an 80 series and it breaks down regularly. He bought it because, being a mechanic, he can easily fix it himself.
I have owned a similar Discovery and it had a similar reliability record to my relative's 80.
Servicing and maintenance are keys to the reliability of both vehicles.
BTW my Discovery, with standard traction control and locking centre diff, was better offroad than the 80.
Also, the 80 used 16-18 litres/100kms, compared with 12 l/100kms for the Discovery.
The claims of 80 series reliability seem mainly attempts by owners to justify why they paid the 'Toyota tax'.
BTW the LR's Td5 is a much better engine than the V8.
I for 1 don't feel a need to bash on those that enjoy their choices. I have never owned either of these vehicles, so cannot speak from 1st hand experience. Known people that have owned the LRD's tho, and while the initial purchase price is reasonable, the long term(or short term for some people)ownership repair costs can be painful out of pocket expense. I like the capability of the LRD over this 80's TLC. And if it is a weekend warrior, it would be my choice. (from these 2 options)But the 4R with rear locker is the best of both worlds. Not everyone has the $ or space for more than 1 vehicle in their lives.
You also need to factor in that off roading can cause damage, and you don't want to have invested so much money in a vehicle that you are scared to use it for its intended purpose. The cheaper vehicle will likely be the vehicle you have the most fun in as you will be willing to push it further.
My 1992 Discovery 200tdi cost me $1500, four years ago. It's served me flawlessly through heavy towing, off-road thrashing, and many long road trips, all the while returning 30mpg. It's rattly, rusty, and smoky, but does all the job of a Land Cruiser, and more, especially as it's so happily thrashable I never have to worry about scraping it.
I have a 1994 landcruiser 4.5 l -and have had for past 25 years and it's the most reliable truck I've ever had. Got 298 k and and never quits. It's a gas guzzler but love the size & durability. The 112 wheelbase must be part of the Magic as all landcruiser years after the 80 series have the same. In its era-,I think was tough to beat but impossible to outlast
It’s interesting seeing the different culture these vehicles are viewed in over in the USA.
In the UK there are few more readily modified 4x4s than a Discovery. Everything you can think of is available off the shelf.
Equally, for how much an LS conversion is going to cost you, you could build a sorted, solid 4.6 making 300BHP. You’d then have an ostensibly standard vehicle with off the shelf parts availability.
I’ve driven Rover V8 powered Land Rovers for decades. The only time I’ve been left broken down in one was due to a faulty ignition coil - made by Bosch!
I REALLY wish you all would start including information in your videos about the transfer cases (true neutral). Some you do most you don’t. There are a lot of us who watch these looking to flat tow behind our diesel pusher RVs. We like to go off road when camping. It would just be a huge plus knowing we could take the vehicle with us.
I recently started a family 4x4 mini dealership. Just sold 2007 Ford Ranger 147000miles which was great. I've put the money into a Discovery 3. Looking forward to see what it's like. Owned a Toyota Hilux for over 10 years..... Very, very reliable
I have both. They’re both great in their own aspects! I love them both
Mild OME springs and shocks,some 32-33’ tires and the Cdl from a newer d2 and you’re golden.
D2 still has the attachment for locking the centre, it just needs the lever installing as LR didnt .
Funny I came across this. I have owned a 97 Disco and currently have an 03 discovery hse for about 8 years. They both did excellent off-road. And did really well in the snow. But ...the reliability and everything else from clearcoat to other things breaking forced me to buy a new car. After 15k in repairs, the land rover could go anywhere honestly with no problems but it mostly went to the shop. Went with a 2015 toyota 4runner limited. So far have not had the chance to test it off-road but I will say I feel better with the reliability lol
If I was going off road, reliability would be my number 1 concern. I do see 4 runners going for ok prices still, so I would probably go that way.
I own a 80 just like that one, the rover does a great job on trails, and iv always loved there looks, specially the defenders. I'll keep my 80. Good job guys!
Another one contender would be a P38 Range Rover. I own the one with just 133K on the clock, so far it is pretty reliable, comfortable, and damn capable offroad. One of the biggest advantages of LC80 is that its wheel wells are big enough to accommodate 35" tires. In D2/P38 one can fit only 32.5" with moderate lift kit. Everything taller than that would require some (or a lot of) trimming. Its V8 engine known for a head gasket blowout, but only if got overheated. The engine itself is a darn simple pushrod so DIY installing a new head gasket is not a rocket science.
We own an FZJ80 and a D2 (as well as a 200 series), the 80 would be my first choice for serious trail work. Yes, a Disco is capable dollar for dollar, but there are so many reliability issues baked into the platform. We just did head gaskets on ours (second time in 100k miles). Meanwhile my 300k mile 80 just keeps on chugging.
Hi i have 2 Discover 2 v8's. The one has a 4.0l and the other one has the 4.6l. I have done a engen overhaul on the 4.6l and used Isuzu 2.8l sleeves with on problims. and lots of power as well.
Tommy, the 1FZ-FE engine is 4.5L, not 4.2L. As far a reliability, it is known to have severe head gasket issues and I personally don't think it is a great engine. Sure, there are many examples with 300K miles without a blown head gasket, but many have had blown head gaskets. There is a reason why OTRAMM's video on HG replacement on an 80 has 81K views.
It’s caused by overheating. It’s not severe
but...but....ALL yotas are the most reliable car ever made! You can weld the hood closed! You never have to even check the oil! Every other vehicle is complete junk that only an idiot would buy! -every yota owner online.
@@donhappel9566 🤣😂but but my jeep has a sfa. That automatically makes it the best off road vehicle ever. Every Jeep owner ever.
@@flight2k5 I mean....I can't argue that a solid front axle is the way to go for a serious off-roader. Though I have to admit my all independent LR3 and L322 RR are a tad more comfy on the street than my D1 trail rig. 🤣
@@donhappel9566 naw sfa isn’t the only way to go 😂🤣🤣🤣
I have always loved the look of the discos. that one looks sooo clean in the white.
Discovery’s weren’t sorted when new. They are cool as hell looking. Back in 2004 a dealer told me to go buy a Tacoma when I told him I was comparing it to a discovery. That always stuck with me. I still love the classic look of the discovery
Sure they did
In Australia, despite that they sold more 80 series, there are more D2's still driving around. Interesting. Speaks to their quality, character and comfort. Cheers
Look forward to comparing prados with whatever.
Owned All you have except jeep in Aus.
All had love..Sons experiencing D2 X2 ...only issue was a poor mechanic..went to another spent on repeat works on the engine . Let's see. My RRDport and D4 with engine works and air bags occasional towing still work everyday on and hols off road..love'em. Still I had GQ Nissan in the M.E,. 2 LC, 1 Prado , BT50, All ok, really. I too enjoy the LR power trains , driveability , paramount 4wd visibility...only one addition to consider is rear locker...extra push would be nice
I own a 2003 Discovery Td5 (diesel) with 315,000km (195,000 miles) on the clock. I did have to do the head gasket at 120,000 miles and numerous other odd jobs along the way but it is my daily driver and has proven to be quite reliable. In June this year we decided to go on a family holiday from Melbourne (in Victoria, Australia) to the theme parks in Queensland, a round trip of approximately 3,500km or 2,200 miles. Fully laden with two adults, 3x teenage boys and 1x tonne camper trailer on the back, it didn't miss a beat and returned a fuel consumption average of 13L/100km or 18mpg. My friend in his 80 series Landcruiser (converted to LPG) who also came along was very coy about his exact mileage for the trip but did joke that if we combined the fuel consumption of all of the cars that came on the trip (about 5x), this would likely roughly equal his fuel consumption!! Love the Disco!!
It will be 5 or 6 times it's value when you're not stranded on a track halfway up a mountain and no-one around!
Oh what feeling! 😜🤣
Enjoyed your vid 👍
Discovery every time, stunning machine!
I had a 94 J80 bought it from a lady original owner in 2007 it had 98,000 miles on it. Custom order leather package, factory tint, no running boards. 4spd auto. It needed knuckle seals, right away. It needed valve cover gasket, abs system had issues, that wasn’t fun to fix. Pesky heater hose behind the head wasn’t fun either. Needed a new radiator, shocks and ate brake pads like a 6yr old eats skittles. 11mpg was its mileage 100% of the time. It was pretty good off road but basically sucked doing the long highway slog to cool off road places. In the end it was skipped for my Legacy GT 5spd and my dads old 99 Explorer. Both of those rigs saw way more dirt because they did a better job getting there. The old J80 was sold in 2011 for what I had in it. Replaced by a low mileage one owner 2007 Sequoia huge improvement in the “getting there ability” and was pretty damn good off road. The Sequoia was replaced by a 2019 Expedition platinum loaded. It’s definitely king of the “getting there” in comfort and mileage. Its plenty capable off pavement for my needs.
Would I go J80 today for an old off road suv? Nope. I’d find a old 4runner, better ride, better comfort, better mileage lower cost, easier to find parts for etc.
The only thing more reliable then a Land Cruiser is their owners bitching about Landrovers in the comments.
If i just needed a camping rig i would go for the Disco 1 or LR3 or just avoid the Land Cruiser Tax and the LR reliability and go for a 1st gen Sequoia
Another great 2 options from Toyota are the 1st Gen Sequoia, and GX470. Both with 4x4 and the 4.7 V8 that runs like a top!
They run 4k-8k which is much better price wise and only lack minimally in offroad ability. The GX470 will rival almost any 3rd row with ease and only ever need consumables!
As a former Discovery 1 owner and a current Range Rover owner, always have options. They are fun, cool looking and capable off road but the reliability is very poor. It is not a question of whether you will blow a head gasket or slip a cylinder, only when. They were barely daily driver capable when new.