If you don’t see a portfolio on an artists page then don’t hire! Portfolios are artists showing their style or best works so never hire someone without asking for one
I can’t imagine hiring an artist without seeing any pictures done by them. The first thing I would do is look at their past work to see if it matches what I’m looking for.
@@rachelcookie321believe it or not, but some people do actually hire artists without portfolios. usually in a moment of panic if they forgot to get someone in advance.
As someone whose cousin was scammed by a videographer for her wedding, I'm just glad I realized what was happening and I ended up using my cellphone to get all the video footage of that night. The videographer gave her 5 minutes of footage and I ended up giving her a full 3 hour video. This scamming is so hurtful to the people involved, but really solidifies that I will never pay anyone I don't trust to do things I find important.
@@vanessameow1902 When he would point the camera at them, it wasn't on. Which at the time was fairly easy to notice because the screen was black and there were no lights showing it was recording.
My sister’s videographer ghosted her after the wedding and didn’t send her ANYTHING. She spent literal years sending him messages asking for updates, and at one point just gave up and asked him to at least tell her if he just lost the footage somehow. He never responded, and 10 years later she’s still upset about it. It’s something that can never be recreated, so he not only robbed her of her money, time, and energy, but also memories.
@@joklimek9008it's so insane to me how ppl j scam like that 😦😦 like,, idk exactly how videography works bc im not someone who's interested in that career but ik it's not that hard to do ur job, esp if u genuinely enjot doing it. if u don't, then why would u decide to be a videographer 😭😭 like i dont get why u would scam bc ur alos gonna end up getting negative reviews also im sorry she never got to see her wedding on video, i hope she at least got some pics or that other ppl took vids anyways :)
didn't they have any kind of contract? Here in germany I would sue the sh*t out of him 😂but honestly, that's so sad. I don't get how scammers can live in peace when they are actually robbing someone of important memories and inflict so much emotional pain and dissapointment. I will never get it@@joklimek9008
I’m not one those type of people who fantasize about their dream wedding but if I got that wedding video I’d literally go ballistic 😭😭 that must be so infuriating I feel so bad
I’d be honest, as an artist, £1,200 is so cheap for a live art work, especially a portrait. But that quality is…. Yikes… One of my artist friends was paid £5,000 for a portrait of a couple for their anniversary. Oil paint, took a month to complete, and she’s been a professional painter for 40ish years now. The finished piece was beautiful and well framed, to the point the couple gave her a tip of £500 on top. Art is a luxury item. It’s gonna be pricey.
Good life painting requires significant more skill though, you have to work very percise and quick, especially oil doesnt dry in one day, so you can't really layer over big mistakes @@complainer406
Art CAN be a luxury item. Better to save a few bucks and go for that new age council approved crap which is just a step ladder from the maintenance department covered in layers of emulsion white paint and spray varnished
The price for that wedding painting is pretty standard. But when I saw the actual painting my jaw dropped.......... I don't know where people find the confidence to sell things like that...
“Pretty standard” is the problem. We are in an era where artists are confidently charging the full value of their worth, and everyone else is understanding you shouldn’t haggle. That’s great! Except people don’t understand that “what you’re worth” is based on the quality of your work. Everyone from cake decorators to painters think everyone is entitled to a “standard” even if they don’t meet that standard.
For anyone not understanding the pricing of thr art: A live custom painting like that could run $500-$1500. Based on time and supplies. Travel, room and board may be a factor too. Now the person's paintings shown in this video were not a very good example, but of the other many wedding painters I have seen, that price is entirely reasonable. Artists deserve to be paid their worth. And most people who do hire them know the cost and will treasure the art. 6:42
I agree. They should have also asked to see the portfolio of the artist they’re hiring. They would get a solid idea of what they’re gonna get so their money doesn’t go to waste on mf acrylic on unprimed canvas painting. I can’t feel too bad that they got ripped off but it does really suck as well.
I don't consider that a scam, she painted it in front of them so they were able to see the time and effort she put in. Her skill may not be up to par but it was their responsibility to find out spending that much money.
Sounds like paintings are now a luxury...... And y'all wanna gatekeep em only for the well off... 500 is more of a reasonable price than anything past 1k. And coveting accomodations? People are supposed to hire local so that they won't have to cover traveling expenses.... People have no sense
I'm struggling to find a job without a ton of work experience. Perhaps I should try the wedding industry because it looks like they're just taking anyone and everyone over there.
I just want to say that it's totally okay to work whatever job you can get in order to pay the bills. You can always continue job hunting to find what you really want. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but volunteering in the field that you want to go into is also another valid way to get your foot in the door if you don't have connections.
Yeah this woman was in no way a professional artist... But that price, for a professional artist? Pretty normal price, people. I get it, you're all used to buy 5$ prints or 25$ commissions, but a professional artist could easily charge many thousands for -truly good- artwork.
Exactly, the high price is supposed to, in theory, cover the time and training it took to become a skilled artist. But... I don't see evidence of a lot of time and training
Exactly. The wedding painting is as absolutely not professional by any means, it was terrible, but actual professional artists do need to be paid by industry standards. Often times the price for a finished 2 dimensional one of a kind painting (not a reproduced print, original one of a kind piece) bought from a genuine professional artist, the universal industry standard is determined by height + length in centimeters and add one zero to the result. So a painting that’s 150 cm by 60 cm, is in total 210 plus one zero so it’s $2100. This is the GLOBAL industry standard. Buying an actual fine art piece is vastly different than buying a print from the IKEA or whatever. It’s like buying a couture hand-sewn evening gown, you are paying for professional, high quality expertise and artistry, you are not buying mass manufactured basic clubbing dresses made by child labor in a 3rd world country. The price goes up as you become more successful and sought after but that’s the starting point, if you are trying to be a genuine professional artist if you charge less than that, you are either saying you are so inexperienced and so naive that you don’t know the industry standards and in fact art is really a little hobby rather than a genuine passion for you. Or alternatively you are saying you don’t take yourself seriously as an artist, so you don’t price it seriously because you yourself deem it as not worthy of the industry standard prices, so potential buyers or other artists immediately know to not take you or your work seriously either.
@@bunker_studioit’s funny bc even the best artists can’t escape utilizing labor from 3rd world countries. Where do you think the paint brushes are made? The plastic components for all the paint tubes? We ALL consume that way so it’s so silly to white knight yourself as being exempt just cause you use fancy plastic 😂
Artists don't necessarily need college degrees or certifications. I'm self taught myself, however, before hiring any artist I would suggest looking at their portfolio of past works to make sure they can do everything they claim. Portfolio is everything! I feel so bad for the bride here. Such a shame.
No where near as bad as my grandpa's funeral. We hired a videographer and when my family distributed the dvd it was filled with jpeg photos with background graphics. It looked like something from the 90s. Granted idk how much my family paid for their service.
It's not the buyers fault imo. Only an extremely low suspicious price like under 100 warrants such terrible quality. I think these people who know they have poor skills have too much audacity and arrogance to charge so high. Most people assume high prices is related to higher service and that if you're paying high you must be getting a professional. If you went to a boutique to pay 1k on a dress you wouldn't expect it to have been sewn at a sweatshop in China, would you?
This awakened a part of me deep down I never knew existed…. The desire to be a wedding planner when I grow up to decrease the chances couples get scammed on their happiest day.
There’s a saying in Colombia and it’s goes “What is cheap, will end up being more expensive” whether that be you having to buy the same product over and over or whether the quality of the product is so bad you will regret buying it forever. I live by that saying “Lo barato sale caro.”
I had a nice beach wedding with photos for like $500 then we all went to a hibachi place and I told them in advance if they came they'd have to pay for themselves b/c we're broke haha It was fun and all my guests were fine with it :) It was a small wedding tho. Not all weddings have to be extreme. It was about our marriage, not a party for other people.
My friends got married at a courthouse. For $45 they were married in a gazebo outside the courthouse, had the witnesses provided and even got pictures of the ceremony.
Yeah these prices are a scam. I don't support these prices. Everyone saying in the comments how they had it coming for hiring cheap? I think these wedding service workers are greedy. So are lower income people just not supposed to have a wedding ceremony and reception now? I'm sure there's way more affordable wedding video services out there I've seen smaller weddings in a small town with beautiful photography I doubt they payed over 1k.
1200$ sounds like a fair price as "live" painters actually paint during the whole wedding + art supply is pricy + if it's a job, you have taxes. Those live paintings we see on social media, wouldn't be surprised if they payed more than 2 times that. It seems to be a very fancy service, just finding someone with the skills/will to do it on the spot and who has the time to is not easy. (a quick google search tells me entry price 1500$ up to 10k$). Now the skills of the person is another topic.
yah, like you said 1200 sounds fair but its actually sort of low. That live painter is probably just someone who thought they could monetize their painting hobby, had no frame of reference for their pricing model, and has never been given any real or valid criticism or judgement on their work before from people outside of their friends or family (Just an example: critique sections during art school/class) who probably only said positive encouraging things and giving them a falsely heightened view on their abilities out of fear of crushing their spirit. This video & tiktok is probably the most public and known and also judged their work has ever been.
For an American live painter, it's quite low in the market actually (I'm a live painter in Europe, the market is different here). But the most important part is that this person had had their portfolio up so they could've seen what they were expecting
I was telling my dad how I liked the idea of a live wedding painting and how I would probably budget in $1,500 for it and he said that sounds way too little for live painting.
It depends on the skill though, I know I could do it for that price because I'm good lol, (not being cocky it's true) but a lot of people charge a ton because it takes them a long time. WHICH ISN'T BAD, IT'S A SKILL THING and there's a sweet spot. But let's think about crochet as an example - a beginner crochetter might take 10 hours on something simple like a steering wheel cover while an experienced one can do it in 3-4 hours. The beginner isn't going to break even for their time unless they charge like $75-100 even though almost nobody is going to be willing to pay more than $30-40. It's not wrong it's just that they have to get good enough to crank work out. DOES IT KIND OF SUCK? yeah, and it can take the fun out of the art too. I can do a pretty decent pet portrait in about 1-2 hours and I charge about $80 (depending on size) because I'm good and because I'm fast that shakes out to $40 an hour. It took a long time to get here, and I could charge more but I'd get fewer people. So it's all a balancing act. I do not think that live painter was particularly great, I think it's not even a stylistic thing (I love abstract art) I just don't think they have great technique. But to each their own. I definitely think art is subjective, and I don't want to be a gate keeper of art, but I also don't believe in like "support small business yeehaw" if the small business isn't that great. Supply and demand baby.
$1,500 is a great price for someone brand new who is still working on their basic skills (I’d much rather be PAID $1,500 to work on the skills to turn something into a career than to PAY the $20,000 I’ve paid over the last two years to work on the skills…creative art degrees are expensive), but for some one with enough experience to be established, it’s low.
@@snailart9214 This is entirely true, and worse, if a more experienced person were to charge $25/hr and make it in 4 hours, they’d get less business than a new person who charges $10/hr who takes 10 hours, even though both should charge $100 in the end and the experienced person would probably make a much better product. Too many people look at the hourly, and think that the experienced person is overcharging even though that higher hourly is the result of having the experience to be faster.
My brother's wedding photographer (who he picked because it was his friend and he wanted to support local businesses) took the most ugliest pics at the wedding along with weird angles and took up to several months of ghosting to get back at my brother on their progress to develop the pics and when they finally did it, it was just awful. The exposure was too much and the colour correction was whack, the pics turned up looking hella yellowish for some reason💀I was studying in uni to be a graphic designer at the time and thankfully managed to salvage the pictures after hours of photoshop and lightroom 🤧 I feel so bad for my bro when it's your own friends that's doing these sort of things to you
As an emerging artist who sells that size of work for $1-2k currently I GASPED. That is not art. That is a Pinot’s Palette reject. That is something from the fundie mom who just started keeping a booth at the county fairgrounds. That is not $1200 commissioned artwork. Holayyyy💀
Come on you don't need to be so mean, she may charge a lot but it's her decision to make and adjust based on clients. They should have put the work in to ensure her work was to their standards first, I'm also an artist no matter their skill I'd never belittle another's skill. The poor woman came and painted it in person so she clearly has confidence in her work, I hope the feedback hasn't ruined it.
@@nerdycurls6253I’m an oil painter and there is an unwritten standard for how to price our work based on the market, who has added us to their collections, who we apprentice under or if we have been featured in certain galleries etc. it’s unethical to just slap any price on it and it’s insulting/harmful to other artists to deviate from the standard too much. You’re not wrong, it is her choice. But it’s a choice that deserves scrutiny lol (it also devalues the market)
I’d love to get a wedding artist to do a painting in like…Ghibli style 😍 Doesn’t have to be on the day, can be reproduced from pictures later, that’s fine. But I think it would be super cute 🥰
I’m a professional illustrator myself, who gets commissioned to do a lot of couple portraits! A friend of mine was jokingly insisting on having me live paint her wedding. Even if it was a joke, I was vehemently refusing that I could do so, because I don’t paint traditionally hardly at all, and could only imagine the stress having to live paint a wedding would be! I’ve never done something like that before! ONLY hire people who have the portfolio and background showing that they can and will do a good job! And be aware, art, especially custom made art, is EXPENSIVE! If you pay nothing, you’re probably gonna get nothing! God bless!
Honestly, I think weddings are more stress than they are worth. I’m having a very small wedding and I’m still going crazy with how many small details I need to figure out.
As a painter myself, thats a standard price, that being said, I would NEVER take a gig like this lmao. If you want a good painting I need to come shoot refrence photos or you're about to sit very still for 6 3 hour long sessions.
I've paid around 2k (but in Reais) to a photografer, she took some beautiful pictures. I took a little longer that I should to pick the ones I wanted for my album. So the pandemic arrived and I never saw that woman again. The last I've heard about her was that she was sad because she broke up with her boyfriend. I've tryed to talk to her but she ghosted me. I'm sueing her for my photos, I will never get the chance to have those taken again 😢
@sylviadebiase8056 I'm sure your lawyer knows, but I'd ask an IT person if you can hire them for court. A lot of people think of they photos are deleted, they're gone. But most of us can get stuff off the hard drive 💖💖💖 I'm so fcking sorry for the stress 😩 that would be devastating. You can also post your story online too, there will be people willing to give you a discount, or for free if they can use the content on their socials. Ughhh I'm so sorry darlin!!
I wonder where their confidence comes from? I did a luxury mural decorative painting, we got paid less than a frame for 3 frames that took us 2 weeks to paint. How do they get people to pay them that amount of money for nothing????
@@aeoligarlic4024 yeah. It was a very bad situation, to the point my sisters wanted to paint everything we worked on black. Live and learn, right? Get paid first and get it in writing for sure. Painting is a lux item, is not a necessity if they can't afford it they can live without it.
Every person who actually knows how to paint also knows that you can't make a detailed painting of people and the background on a canvas in like 3 hours, or however long that woman was supposed to be painting. This looks atrocious. Didn't she showcase pictures on her website as reference?
She has an entire tiktok page, they know what they're buying. There's a lot of popular artists styles I find ugly, but I'm not the one buying it, so I mind my own business.
honestly i wasnt shocked at the price of the live painting but then i saw the quality and … yeah okay that quality + people chronically underpaying artists to begin with, now i understand why some people felt that was scammy/way overpriced
Yeah, and 'Take The Money and Run' an art piece about nothing that got lots of money. Seems most abstract and modern art people are making fun of are pieces satirizing how the entire space has become one big money laundering scheme
it’s crazy bc I follow an ACTUAL live painting artist and they’re exquisite. I’ve seen all of the wannabe’s and copycats trying the same and it’s CLEAR their painting skills aren’t deserving of what their prices are.
As a commercial artist currently working under a fine artist, that price for like wedding painting is totally fair. But if you don't like the portfolio or don't even see one when researching, that's kind of on you.
My husband and I hired a guy to do our wedding video. He had his own studio and he interviewed us both. He seemed super legit but in the end it took over A YEAR after our wedding and countless emails and phone calls to him to give us our finished wedding video. It was mediocre at best. 🤦🏻♀️ this was 15 years ago so reviews weren’t as prevalent as they are these days or we might have been warned. It’s a shame cause it was our wedding and we wanted it to be really professionally filmed. It wasn’t.
I took my cousin’s wedding video and as you’d expect the raw footage was all over the place and needed to be edited. She asked me for the camera and footage back THE NEXT DAY then was furious because it was bad, people were talking, it showed bad parts, etc. She’s stayed angry at me for over 20years and she’s not even married to the guy any more. I can’t with her.
As a wedding photographer, I can safely say that wedding video is HLURGH. Hoooo that’s so rough. BUT, you absolutely get what you pay for. $1200 for a wedding video for both the rehearsal dinner and the wedding? That’s insanely low, and I feel like his portfolio couldn’t have reflected quality. But I never want to see a couple get bad products.
Tbf $1200 is not unreasonable for a *professional* painting. Charging that price for the second lady's paintings makes perfect sense given the high quality and skill on display. But the first lady's viral painting?... Meh.
Thank you for this video. Having just gotten married, so much media acts like brides (and grooms) are unreasonable for actually wanting services that match the inflated prices charged for everything once you say the word wedding.
$1,200 isn’t that much for a custom live painting of you on your wedding day, the issue is, it’s a lot for the quality. Not far into the video yet but that first painting image… ouch. It would cost a lot more but sending a photo to be painted will be better for the quality. Unless the painter starts at you wedding but finishes up the details at home and then sends it to you.
As an artist, I can tell you why the painting looks off. The medium (paint) doesn't match the cartoonish art style. If the piece was done in marker (markers are not less professional than paint), the painting would look less crummy and more put together. It seems like the professional saw that wedding paintings were trending online and tried to take an opportunity to participate in the trend, but they don't have enough experience with paint itself. It looks nice, but for many clients it would appear that you're not confident with using paints, and to professional painters, it looks like paint was not needed to make this art piece.
How can these people not feel bad for ruining someone else's wedding day or memories? 😭😭😭 The amount of stress that a wedding can cause, scares me so much!
This is why my fiancé and I are having a small diy backyard wedding, pulling from Pinterest for ideas/template. We’re lucky one of our childhood friends is an amazing wedding photographer and one of our closest friends is a great DJ. Tried to go the “traditional” route and the budget just kept rising as every place we reached out to was ridiculously expensive and not worth the price. Idk how people spend more than $10k (unless you’re extremely wealthy). I’d rather spend that money on a nice honeymoon and towards our house. but hey, to each their own.
As an artist myself I see too often middle aged women who paint with acrylics who went to 1 or 2 art classes and now seem to think they are a professional. I don't know if it's delusion or if it's just overly positive thinking. Why acrylics? Because that's typically what they use in art classes, so that's how you can spot a newbie artist. People who have practiced art since they were kids are typically depressed and filled with self doubt. 45+ women beginner artists are immune to self doubt perhaps because they didn't grow up with all the shitty treatment artists always get.
Acrylic isn’t an inherently bad medium, though there are certainly cheap-ass quality acrylics with very low pigment in them. I’ve seen stunning acrylic works by very talented artists, and I’ve seen shit work by newbies using the high-end stuff. “People who have practiced art since they were kids are typically depressed and filled with self doubt.” This is a shit mindset. A lot of people who start art as kids are creative types who use art as their outlet. Some creative types gravitate toward music, or another kind of art. Some kids are sporty and gravitate toward various sports. It’s supremely stupid to think that what makes kids do art is self-doubt and depression. If anything, doing art takes a measure of confidence since you have to be able to look at your own work and see what can make it better and be confident enough that you can. Those 45+ women who seem to lack self-doubt are actually the ones with enough self-doubt that they can’t look critically at their own work to see where they can improve. They can’t handle it. So they don’t, and never improve.
Seeing stuff like this, I'm so happy our wedding worked out perfectly last year photo/video-wise. My brother basically put up my tripod, pointed the camcorder at us and pressed record. The white balance in the videos was way off, but I think I can fix it in post-production myself without any issues, the important thing was that all the funny moments during the reception were captured on video. Our official photographer only cost us 350€ (around $375) because it was my husband's ex-colleague who is a professional photographer. The photos came out awesome.
This happened to my coworker!! The thing is that she was aware she was hiring a "student" and paid $500 for about like 3-4hrs of work including the ceremony and pre-ceremony prep. She had a very short and small wedding. The quality of the video was just.... about that of a bumbling uncle with a basic point and shoot. The sound work was non existent. And the guy said it was all the footage he got. She was devastated. They had beautiful pictures from the photographer though! So yeah guys. Buyer beware when it comes to your big special day. Ngl. It's worth the time to go with the more established photographers/videographers out there.
the price is very normal tbh.. a live painting, plus traveling? Not that expensive. Does the quality match the price? probably not, but it's not like she is lying about it 😅 she has prices listed publicly and examples of her paintings, it's not really a scam if she delivers the product you agreed upon, now is it?
As a visual artist myself, I feel that art is a matter of personal perspective and appreciation. There are many different genres nowadays in all of creative world. People have to do their own research when they are looking for different things. It's on you. simple. Now if the person doesn't show up or not do what they agreed to then you have an argument.
This is just sad that scammers take advantage of people at the times when they’re overly stressed and having a big life change. That being said I agree with so many here saying check their portfolios and call the references. Also reconsider that big expensive wedding and save up for a down payment on a house. 😉
I’m getting married next spring and the entire ceremony, minus the dress, is going to be $5000 and we’re gonna have close to about 80 people. We both agreed that we rather spend money on a down payment for a house 😂. After I saw my sister spend 25 grand on her wedding last year, I knew that I didn’t wanna do that. We’re getting married at our favorite park where we love to hike, inviting both are huge families, and most of the budget is going towards a good caterer. we’re going with really rustic decorations, so it’s very cheap to decorate. We’re both really happy with this and looking forward to it, big weddings are literally such a waste of money in my opinion, as long as you’re together and happy, that’s all that should matter. we need to stop comparing our weddings to other people’s weddings, if they’re happy with their wedding I’m happy for them too, but it’s just not for me. My dream wedding dress I got is 1200 dollars but I felt like that was the one thing I wanted the splurge in for the big day, could not be more happy!
Wet got married by a firefighter at a fire station. Didnt have money for a wedding and my wife really didnt want one. I tried talking her into it for the entire time we were engaged (a few years) but she was so adamant on spending our money on our honeymoon instead. We may do a renewal wedding but itd have to be small. Honestly, paying so much for a wedding is crazy to me.
That wedding video is not it! I told my fiance that two things I will not cheep out of for the wedding are the videographer/photographer and the Emcee. I'm a video editor myself so I was able to save a bit of money by paying the videographer to send me all of the raw footage to edit myself. I'll have control over how my video looks, but if I don't have good footage to work with, that wouldn't even matter. This is why it's incredibly important to research who you're hiring for your wedding.
😆 I ended up designing my own wedding photo album. Although I liked the photographer and most of the pictures, I did not like the way they were arranged in the album preview and sent me. She also used some pics that I did not select for album placement because I didn't like them. She was so surprised by all of my edit requests that she ended up giving me the run-down of the program she used so that I could edit it myself and told me to let her know when to order it.
Agreed! If I hear it correctly, thats a 1200 wedding video with all day camera work + equipment + post production + dvd delivery. I mean, no shit it looks like that. I’m surprised they even get a finished video tbh 😂😂😂😂
Honestly I’m glad I’m never getting married. Not only is it stressful but you pay a lot of money for something that’s not guaranteed to last. The only good thing about weddings in my opinion is the cake and food.
@@YayforFun09 That’s true like I have nothing against people who wanna do that. Just for me personally I’d be mad that I got married only for all that money to be wasted if the relationship dies.
@@japanesejackalope I mean, when most people get married they are planning to stay together for the rest of their lives and aren’t even considering the relationship falling apart.
I had a courthouse wedding. We eloped. Best day of my life, and gave me and my husband more time to relax and enjoy our special day without worrying about the details.
Not trying to hate on the live artist - she was up front about everything, her pricing included some travel, and I’m guessing a reasonable hourly rate. But it’s giving a bride recreating her wedding at a Paint n’ Sip while three Chardonnays in.
My aunt literally does this same thing but she charges more like 800 and the paintings look beautiful and have her unique style. Edit: omg 💀 I didn't actually see her work before i posted, I was hoping it would be somewhat decent. Hell nah, my aunt got a degree in fine arts and is no joke amazing at impressionists, while charging less. Absolute scam.
I have a former classmate that does these live paintings but she does them of the party or reception (she does a lot of these for businesses),she doesn’t charge as much, the paintings are much better and not just a loose recreation of a would-be photo. The idea is supposed to be that the painter adds in notable parts of the evening that happened at the party to capture the vibe of the evening in one go: the little kid who really likes to dance, people having a great time at a table etc. a shame she had to pay $1200 for that.
I feel like the girl scammed by the videographer had it coming. In what world would a videographer film and entire wedding day, down from practice all the way to the end, and then edit everything for days and only charge $1200??? If you were to hire a makeup artist alone to accompany you throughout the wedding day it would be over 1000 dollars (I'm talking about booking the professional for the entire day, for comparison). I'm sure there are very talented videographers that don't charge a limb for their service, but if you're gonna go with someone who charges that cheap you better make sure their stuff is legit. I highly doubt she saw his previous work before booking him, since he said that this one was his "best work" smh. That was choice, girly...
1200 sounds cheap to you? I think it's a reasonable price especially if it's someone who lives in a small town where wages are generally lower than the ones in the city. I've never been to a wedding to know much about them but as an unexperienced person 1.2k seems like a reasonable price. I mean there are humble weddings that don't cost 10k they get their videographers somewhere surely there's affordable services out there. Y'all are just excusing the terrible work and skill of people who charge high, just like the painter in this video. He's just like her. If you're supposed to expect an even higher price tag just for a decent wedding film, then tell me how are lower income people supposed to afford a wedding? Or are they supposed accept low quality editing like this man if they wanna have some memories of a special day? I volunteered editing a doc in HS and I did way better job than this dude. It doesn't require much skill or effort to edit out all the unnecessary footage and extras getting in the way dude was just being lazy which there's no excuse for. I guarantee you if the videographer is honest you can find someone who'll at least edit the video properly even if it's not color corrected and grained for $900
@@LovelyLittleLillies there’s a difference between “expensive” and “a lot of money”. 1200 is a lot of money, but to say if it’s cheap or expensive it depends on the product or service. 1200 for a phone is expensive. 1200 for a car is cheap. I said in my comment that there are definitely talented professionals who don’t charge as much, but it’s up to the client to do their research if they’re deciding to go with something less expensive. Had she taken the time to research his portfolio, she wouldn’t have had this problem. I worked as a professional makeup artist for many years and everything wedding related is automatically more expensive, it’s just how things go. I feel bad for her, but once you work providing service you learn that some stuff is worth investing more on. And if you can’t afford something more expensive (as many people can’t), it’s up to you to do your research and make sure you get the absolute best service that fits within your budget. And there were definitely better professionals to do this job for this price, I’m sure. She just didn’t care to look for them. She didn’t take this decision seriously enough, and she paid the price for it.
@@hellxcas i don't think everything wedding related should be automatically marked up and that it's normal. It's a shame people are accepting this culture or many just don't have other options. It's such a special moment in people's life and people are just looking to profit of it
That clip of the bad videographer filming the couple re-imitating a cute moment for the photos is very funny. Picture yourself attending a wedding and being told to stand somewhere for minutes with a sparkler while the bride and groom do a little 'candid' photoshoot
@@MashaRistova if there’s ever a sketchy artist it’s very common for people to send in reference photos and ask for a sample/sketch of what they will probably get. It’s done with sculptures a lot. I know it’s dif from live painting but practice makes perfect 🤩 Hopefully people in the future put more thought into the artist they chose so they won’t end up disappointed
As a person who cannot draw or paint to such an amazing extent that my stick human figure looks like I have Parkinson's and also, 7.8 earthquake is in progress, I'm happy that someone matching my level of skills is both "an artist" and "for hire". You go, Queen! Slaying the frame out of the picture😂!
2:34 it's honestly not that bad. artists are often freelance or commission-based so they need to raise their prices. plus, they're working from life on a time crunch. if they're really good at what they do, it's worth it.
That art pricing is normal idk what you’re expecting. Furthermore, artists don’t have to go to traditional schools or have certification. All you need is a portfolio and someone willing to pay the prices you’re asking. Maybe that isn’t what people expect who aren’t a part of the industry or a client of the industry, but that’s just how it is. What’s more like, art schools can frequently be a scam more than an actual quality education.
That happened to me on my wedding. That day we hired 2 photographers, so one could be around my husband and one around me. I don't know why but the owner ended up being my photographer. And her photos were AWFUL All were stupidly bright of super dark, and all shaky, I don't think she knows how to use or program her camera. No interesting angles, no creative pictures, nothing, we have people blinking, red eyes, everything just a bunch of useless garbage. But my husband's photographer was super talented, every photo was like taken from a fantasy land, they are beautiful. We hired him outside the photo business to do a re-do of my side with my family. And those pictures are gorgeous, they are my favorites. Now he is going solo, and good for him. His work does not deserve to be with that trashy business (I'm pretty sure they stole his portfolio for their business)
Well as an artist myself, just doing a simple drawing using pens and pencils, at least for me, can take hours drawing the base lines then inking it and coloring. Most of the time I’ll work on a picture over a span of a few days, when I’m putting in maximum effort. Also anything rawly hand drawn is going to have it quirks if you don’t use a computer to photoshop it 😂
My wedding video is awful. This lady was recommended by someome (idk how) and i was so overwhelmed planning, that i just went with it. The final product looks like the videos my grandpa used to film of my basketball games when I was 7 in 1999. Sucks, but can't go back.
I literally just had my wife fly to California and we streamed it on Twitch. The pandemic is still happening even if everyone's pretending it isn't. I'll be doing a proper renewal with ceremony when it's safe for my immune compromised dad to be there in Europe where I'm moving to and it'll be cheaper because North America has chaos demon levels of price. ALSO STARTING A MARRIAGE OFF IN DEBT IS THE BEST WAY TO CONCLUDE IN AN ANNULMENT OR RAPID DIVORCE (and ruin your life). Don't do that. Be practical. It's an important day. Be reasonable and focus on what matters: the marriage. It's not about the party. It's about the couple starting together joyfully.
I mean, 1,200 pounds is pretty cheap for a 'realistic' live painting, that quality is not it though. There's another Live wedding portrait artist I used to follow who did amazing work, I don't know how much she charges but if it is anywhere near £1,200 it's a steal
I use to do Weddings. It’s expensive and hard to get done. Even if you charge $600 people expect a masterpiece. Thats not the case. You do get what you pay for, 5,000k is the average for a full day and full edit 4k service. The more you pay the more you get. Don’t get mad when you pay low and get shit.
Yeah, hell no. I get married in a week. We do the ceremony and eat something afterwards. I don’t feel the desire to spend 60k on overpriced nonsense. We still payed like 5k. Everything got so expensive 😭💸
When i got married in 2014 my wedding cost £550 and most of that was food for a total of 30 people. Best thing to do with venues is call one day ask their pricing for your wedding, then a day later call again with the same details just don't mention its a wedding, you'll save yourself a great deal by never mentioning its a wedding event
Expecting a painting to be $10 is laughable. Several hundred dollars are to be expected. A couple thousand usually you would expect a very high quality piece that took a lot of time. Definitely not this painting lol
....okay, but the live painting is literally a reasonable cost for a good quality painting, especially for LIVE painting. 1k is the average i've seen for it. that being said, her art isn't.... i hate putting worth on other people's art, but i. oh noooooooooo actual live painting is rarely finished same-day. they block out the main area, then get the basic shapes and details before the event is over. then they complete it at home for a highly detailed piece.
If you don’t see a portfolio on an artists page then don’t hire! Portfolios are artists showing their style or best works so never hire someone without asking for one
I can’t imagine hiring an artist without seeing any pictures done by them. The first thing I would do is look at their past work to see if it matches what I’m looking for.
@@rachelcookie321believe it or not, but some people do actually hire artists without portfolios. usually in a moment of panic if they forgot to get someone in advance.
Well, sometimes portfolios are fake 🤷♀️
@@dominikakratochvil860 true but then you actually have something to compare to the terrible end result
@@dominikakratochvil860True but at least you know you did your due diligence. Also you can reverse search them to make sure they aren’t stolen.
As someone whose cousin was scammed by a videographer for her wedding, I'm just glad I realized what was happening and I ended up using my cellphone to get all the video footage of that night. The videographer gave her 5 minutes of footage and I ended up giving her a full 3 hour video. This scamming is so hurtful to the people involved, but really solidifies that I will never pay anyone I don't trust to do things I find important.
How did u figure out he was going to scam her?
@@vanessameow1902 When he would point the camera at them, it wasn't on. Which at the time was fairly easy to notice because the screen was black and there were no lights showing it was recording.
My sister’s videographer ghosted her after the wedding and didn’t send her ANYTHING. She spent literal years sending him messages asking for updates, and at one point just gave up and asked him to at least tell her if he just lost the footage somehow. He never responded, and 10 years later she’s still upset about it. It’s something that can never be recreated, so he not only robbed her of her money, time, and energy, but also memories.
@@joklimek9008it's so insane to me how ppl j scam like that 😦😦 like,, idk exactly how videography works bc im not someone who's interested in that career but ik it's not that hard to do ur job, esp if u genuinely enjot doing it. if u don't, then why would u decide to be a videographer 😭😭 like i dont get why u would scam bc ur alos gonna end up getting negative reviews
also im sorry she never got to see her wedding on video, i hope she at least got some pics or that other ppl took vids anyways :)
didn't they have any kind of contract? Here in germany I would sue the sh*t out of him 😂but honestly, that's so sad. I don't get how scammers can live in peace when they are actually robbing someone of important memories and inflict so much emotional pain and dissapointment. I will never get it@@joklimek9008
I’m not one those type of people who fantasize about their dream wedding but if I got that wedding video I’d literally go ballistic 😭😭 that must be so infuriating I feel so bad
YASSSS PAMPERS
There's absolutely no way I'd pay that bill. The "videographer" did not deliver what was agreed upon.
Literally, I don’t want a lavish wedding either but I damn we’ll want the memories
So glad my friend found the BEST videographer who made her a movie-like video with even a teaser while he was working on it. How much? … $450
I’d be honest, as an artist, £1,200 is so cheap for a live art work, especially a portrait. But that quality is…. Yikes…
One of my artist friends was paid £5,000 for a portrait of a couple for their anniversary. Oil paint, took a month to complete, and she’s been a professional painter for 40ish years now. The finished piece was beautiful and well framed, to the point the couple gave her a tip of £500 on top.
Art is a luxury item. It’s gonna be pricey.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, for a quality portrait 1200 is an incredible deal
Wouldn't you expect a painting that takes a month to cost significantly more than one that gets completed in a day?
Good life painting requires significant more skill though, you have to work very percise and quick, especially oil doesnt dry in one day, so you can't really layer over big mistakes @@complainer406
Art CAN be a luxury item. Better to save a few bucks and go for that new age council approved crap which is just a step ladder from the maintenance department covered in layers of emulsion white paint and spray varnished
a month of oil painting is definitely more luxury than a few hours of whatever she was using
The price for that wedding painting is pretty standard. But when I saw the actual painting my jaw dropped.......... I don't know where people find the confidence to sell things like that...
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I would be so embarrassed omg 😢😢😢
Idk, as an artist myself that level of delulu confidence is almost inspiring 😂
@@amethystdream8251 I know right
“Pretty standard” is the problem. We are in an era where artists are confidently charging the full value of their worth, and everyone else is understanding you shouldn’t haggle. That’s great! Except people don’t understand that “what you’re worth” is based on the quality of your work. Everyone from cake decorators to painters think everyone is entitled to a “standard” even if they don’t meet that standard.
For anyone not understanding the pricing of thr art:
A live custom painting like that could run $500-$1500. Based on time and supplies. Travel, room and board may be a factor too.
Now the person's paintings shown in this video were not a very good example, but of the other many wedding painters I have seen, that price is entirely reasonable.
Artists deserve to be paid their worth. And most people who do hire them know the cost and will treasure the art. 6:42
I agree. They should have also asked to see the portfolio of the artist they’re hiring. They would get a solid idea of what they’re gonna get so their money doesn’t go to waste on mf acrylic on unprimed canvas painting. I can’t feel too bad that they got ripped off but it does really suck as well.
I don't consider that a scam, she painted it in front of them so they were able to see the time and effort she put in. Her skill may not be up to par but it was their responsibility to find out spending that much money.
Exactly! There's one artist (can't remember her name) and her paintings are absolutely gorgeous and really capture that one moment for the couple
YASSSSS PAMPERS
Sounds like paintings are now a luxury...... And y'all wanna gatekeep em only for the well off... 500 is more of a reasonable price than anything past 1k. And coveting accomodations? People are supposed to hire local so that they won't have to cover traveling expenses.... People have no sense
I'm struggling to find a job without a ton of work experience. Perhaps I should try the wedding industry because it looks like they're just taking anyone and everyone over there.
Right?! 😂
As long as you're better at quality and honesty than the examples in the video, yeah, that might be the way to go. There will always be weddings.
I just want to say that it's totally okay to work whatever job you can get in order to pay the bills. You can always continue job hunting to find what you really want. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but volunteering in the field that you want to go into is also another valid way to get your foot in the door if you don't have connections.
Yeah this woman was in no way a professional artist...
But that price, for a professional artist? Pretty normal price, people. I get it, you're all used to buy 5$ prints or 25$ commissions, but a professional artist could easily charge many thousands for -truly good- artwork.
Exactly, the high price is supposed to, in theory, cover the time and training it took to become a skilled artist. But... I don't see evidence of a lot of time and training
Exactly. The wedding painting is as absolutely not professional by any means, it was terrible, but actual professional artists do need to be paid by industry standards.
Often times the price for a finished 2 dimensional one of a kind painting (not a reproduced print, original one of a kind piece) bought from a genuine professional artist, the universal industry standard is determined by height + length in centimeters and add one zero to the result.
So a painting that’s 150 cm by 60 cm, is in total 210 plus one zero so it’s $2100. This is the GLOBAL industry standard. Buying an actual fine art piece is vastly different than buying a print from the IKEA or whatever. It’s like buying a couture hand-sewn evening gown, you are paying for professional, high quality expertise and artistry, you are not buying mass manufactured basic clubbing dresses made by child labor in a 3rd world country.
The price goes up as you become more successful and sought after but that’s the starting point, if you are trying to be a genuine professional artist if you charge less than that, you are either saying you are so inexperienced and so naive that you don’t know the industry standards and in fact art is really a little hobby rather than a genuine passion for you. Or alternatively you are saying you don’t take yourself seriously as an artist, so you don’t price it seriously because you yourself deem it as not worthy of the industry standard prices, so potential buyers or other artists immediately know to not take you or your work seriously either.
@@Carrybean did you really need to add "child labor in a 3rd world country"
@@bunker_studio for dramatization effect (hope so), but you got the point eh?
@@bunker_studioit’s funny bc even the best artists can’t escape utilizing labor from 3rd world countries. Where do you think the paint brushes are made? The plastic components for all the paint tubes? We ALL consume that way so it’s so silly to white knight yourself as being exempt just cause you use fancy plastic 😂
Artists don't necessarily need college degrees or certifications. I'm self taught myself, however, before hiring any artist I would suggest looking at their portfolio of past works to make sure they can do everything they claim. Portfolio is everything! I feel so bad for the bride here. Such a shame.
Portfolio is everything yes!
Can a pedophile become an artist
No where near as bad as my grandpa's funeral. We hired a videographer and when my family distributed the dvd it was filled with jpeg photos with background graphics. It looked like something from the 90s. Granted idk how much my family paid for their service.
It's not the buyers fault imo. Only an extremely low suspicious price like under 100 warrants such terrible quality. I think these people who know they have poor skills have too much audacity and arrogance to charge so high. Most people assume high prices is related to higher service and that if you're paying high you must be getting a professional. If you went to a boutique to pay 1k on a dress you wouldn't expect it to have been sewn at a sweatshop in China, would you?
eichip in the comments?????!!?! (me too)
Im loving this "more natural" look, but I will just support anything you decide to pull, glad to see my fav youtuber looking healthy and well
Yasssssss pampers
Ele é muito bonito de qualquer forma, né 😊
@@sylviadebiase8056 sim manaaaa
This awakened a part of me deep down I never knew existed….
The desire to be a wedding planner when I grow up to decrease the chances couples get scammed on their happiest day.
If you do , then I’ll definitely book you
BE the wedding planner you want to see in this world. 💖
@urbreakingmyheart True…💀💀💀
Sounds like a great career! You could even start your own business one day
How do you practice wedding planning?
There’s a saying in Colombia and it’s goes “What is cheap, will end up being more expensive” whether that be you having to buy the same product over and over or whether the quality of the product is so bad you will regret buying it forever. I live by that saying
“Lo barato sale caro.”
These wedding prices makes me wanna just go to the courthouse and olive garden and call it a day :P
I had a nice beach wedding with photos for like $500 then we all went to a hibachi place and I told them in advance if they came they'd have to pay for themselves b/c we're broke haha It was fun and all my guests were fine with it :) It was a small wedding tho. Not all weddings have to be extreme. It was about our marriage, not a party for other people.
My husband and I just did the court house and literally went back to work 😂 been married 7 years and been together 12.
@@brieoshirothat sounds absolutely lovely! ❤
My friends got married at a courthouse. For $45 they were married in a gazebo outside the courthouse, had the witnesses provided and even got pictures of the ceremony.
Yeah these prices are a scam. I don't support these prices. Everyone saying in the comments how they had it coming for hiring cheap? I think these wedding service workers are greedy. So are lower income people just not supposed to have a wedding ceremony and reception now? I'm sure there's way more affordable wedding video services out there I've seen smaller weddings in a small town with beautiful photography I doubt they payed over 1k.
1200$ sounds like a fair price as "live" painters actually paint during the whole wedding + art supply is pricy + if it's a job, you have taxes.
Those live paintings we see on social media, wouldn't be surprised if they payed more than 2 times that. It seems to be a very fancy service, just finding someone with the skills/will to do it on the spot and who has the time to is not easy. (a quick google search tells me entry price 1500$ up to 10k$).
Now the skills of the person is another topic.
One thing I know, since artists have to make a living. An actual talented one will probably charge between 5k-8k
yah, like you said 1200 sounds fair but its actually sort of low.
That live painter is probably just someone who thought they could monetize their painting hobby, had no frame of reference for their pricing model, and has never been given any real or valid criticism or judgement on their work before from people outside of their friends or family (Just an example: critique sections during art school/class) who probably only said positive encouraging things and giving them a falsely heightened view on their abilities out of fear of crushing their spirit.
This video & tiktok is probably the most public and known and also judged their work has ever been.
For an American live painter, it's quite low in the market actually (I'm a live painter in Europe, the market is different here). But the most important part is that this person had had their portfolio up so they could've seen what they were expecting
@studioneetje FCK YESSSS!!! GET IT BABYDOLL!!!!! 💖💖💖💖💖✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
I was telling my dad how I liked the idea of a live wedding painting and how I would probably budget in $1,500 for it and he said that sounds way too little for live painting.
Except that didn’t include travel costs, so in reality it could have been double or triple the pay
Because it is. People undervalue the actual price of artist. Imagine them like paying for fresh caviar, maybe that'll put things a bit I perspective
It depends on the skill though, I know I could do it for that price because I'm good lol, (not being cocky it's true) but a lot of people charge a ton because it takes them a long time. WHICH ISN'T BAD, IT'S A SKILL THING and there's a sweet spot. But let's think about crochet as an example - a beginner crochetter might take 10 hours on something simple like a steering wheel cover while an experienced one can do it in 3-4 hours. The beginner isn't going to break even for their time unless they charge like $75-100 even though almost nobody is going to be willing to pay more than $30-40. It's not wrong it's just that they have to get good enough to crank work out. DOES IT KIND OF SUCK? yeah, and it can take the fun out of the art too. I can do a pretty decent pet portrait in about 1-2 hours and I charge about $80 (depending on size) because I'm good and because I'm fast that shakes out to $40 an hour. It took a long time to get here, and I could charge more but I'd get fewer people. So it's all a balancing act. I do not think that live painter was particularly great, I think it's not even a stylistic thing (I love abstract art) I just don't think they have great technique. But to each their own. I definitely think art is subjective, and I don't want to be a gate keeper of art, but I also don't believe in like "support small business yeehaw" if the small business isn't that great. Supply and demand baby.
$1,500 is a great price for someone brand new who is still working on their basic skills (I’d much rather be PAID $1,500 to work on the skills to turn something into a career than to PAY the $20,000 I’ve paid over the last two years to work on the skills…creative art degrees are expensive), but for some one with enough experience to be established, it’s low.
@@snailart9214 This is entirely true, and worse, if a more experienced person were to charge $25/hr and make it in 4 hours, they’d get less business than a new person who charges $10/hr who takes 10 hours, even though both should charge $100 in the end and the experienced person would probably make a much better product. Too many people look at the hourly, and think that the experienced person is overcharging even though that higher hourly is the result of having the experience to be faster.
My brother's wedding photographer (who he picked because it was his friend and he wanted to support local businesses) took the most ugliest pics at the wedding along with weird angles and took up to several months of ghosting to get back at my brother on their progress to develop the pics and when they finally did it, it was just awful. The exposure was too much and the colour correction was whack, the pics turned up looking hella yellowish for some reason💀I was studying in uni to be a graphic designer at the time and thankfully managed to salvage the pictures after hours of photoshop and lightroom 🤧 I feel so bad for my bro when it's your own friends that's doing these sort of things to you
It's a relief that you were able to salvage the pictures. The fact that he was scammed by his own friend makes the whole thing even more infuriating.
As an emerging artist who sells that size of work for $1-2k currently I GASPED. That is not art. That is a Pinot’s Palette reject. That is something from the fundie mom who just started keeping a booth at the county fairgrounds. That is not $1200 commissioned artwork. Holayyyy💀
Come on you don't need to be so mean, she may charge a lot but it's her decision to make and adjust based on clients. They should have put the work in to ensure her work was to their standards first, I'm also an artist no matter their skill I'd never belittle another's skill.
The poor woman came and painted it in person so she clearly has confidence in her work, I hope the feedback hasn't ruined it.
@@nerdycurls6253 He did say the actual couple has not complained, the internet was complaining, so they probably did put the work in.
That art DOES NOT look good enough to be over 1000 DOLLARS. Some people need to get their eyes checked.
that's a bit much, it certainly doesn't match the price but it's still art even if it doesn't look good
@@nerdycurls6253I’m an oil painter and there is an unwritten standard for how to price our work based on the market, who has added us to their collections, who we apprentice under or if we have been featured in certain galleries etc. it’s unethical to just slap any price on it and it’s insulting/harmful to other artists to deviate from the standard too much. You’re not wrong, it is her choice. But it’s a choice that deserves scrutiny lol (it also devalues the market)
I’d love to get a wedding artist to do a painting in like…Ghibli style 😍 Doesn’t have to be on the day, can be reproduced from pictures later, that’s fine. But I think it would be super cute 🥰
That would look so good especially the scenery
I'd love to do paintings like this for weddings!
I’m a professional illustrator myself, who gets commissioned to do a lot of couple portraits! A friend of mine was jokingly insisting on having me live paint her wedding. Even if it was a joke, I was vehemently refusing that I could do so, because I don’t paint traditionally hardly at all, and could only imagine the stress having to live paint a wedding would be! I’ve never done something like that before! ONLY hire people who have the portfolio and background showing that they can and will do a good job! And be aware, art, especially custom made art, is EXPENSIVE! If you pay nothing, you’re probably gonna get nothing! God bless!
It can be quite stressful yes but it's also lots of fun!
Yes live painting also requires different skills than just painting at home with no time limit
A courtroom artist could totally also make bank doing this stuff omg. Drawing a live moment is kinda their whole thing
So I am actually both, a courtroom sketch artist and a live wedding painter ;) so yes it helps
Honestly, I think weddings are more stress than they are worth. I’m having a very small wedding and I’m still going crazy with how many small details I need to figure out.
As a painter myself, thats a standard price, that being said, I would NEVER take a gig like this lmao. If you want a good painting I need to come shoot refrence photos or you're about to sit very still for 6 3 hour long sessions.
haha yes and we don't ask our wedding couples to sit for hours during their special day, they got plenty to do
I've paid around 2k (but in Reais) to a photografer, she took some beautiful pictures. I took a little longer that I should to pick the ones I wanted for my album. So the pandemic arrived and I never saw that woman again. The last I've heard about her was that she was sad because she broke up with her boyfriend. I've tryed to talk to her but she ghosted me. I'm sueing her for my photos, I will never get the chance to have those taken again 😢
Omg I’m so sorry, I hope she still has them and will give them to you after the legal stuff
@@weird-guy I'm paying my lawyer lol
@sylviadebiase8056 I'm sure your lawyer knows, but I'd ask an IT person if you can hire them for court.
A lot of people think of they photos are deleted, they're gone. But most of us can get stuff off the hard drive 💖💖💖
I'm so fcking sorry for the stress 😩 that would be devastating.
You can also post your story online too, there will be people willing to give you a discount, or for free if they can use the content on their socials.
Ughhh I'm so sorry darlin!!
That wedding vid looked like a home video filmed on a old camcorder 😂 oh man I'm so sorry for her
I wonder where their confidence comes from? I did a luxury mural decorative painting, we got paid less than a frame for 3 frames that took us 2 weeks to paint. How do they get people to pay them that amount of money for nothing????
If you did that, you're the one who got scammed! You need to price up your art for goodness sakes
You should've charged more. That artist puts up a normal professional price but sadly her results didn't really deliver
@@aeoligarlic4024 yeah. It was a very bad situation, to the point my sisters wanted to paint everything we worked on black. Live and learn, right? Get paid first and get it in writing for sure. Painting is a lux item, is not a necessity if they can't afford it they can live without it.
@@Silversnakesinthesun yes, that's correct. And that's what I did.
Not anyone’s fault you accepted less pay for hard work
Every person who actually knows how to paint also knows that you can't make a detailed painting of people and the background on a canvas in like 3 hours, or however long that woman was supposed to be painting.
This looks atrocious. Didn't she showcase pictures on her website as reference?
Nah I could do it I'm seriously like shit I might go into this
She has an entire tiktok page, they know what they're buying. There's a lot of popular artists styles I find ugly, but I'm not the one buying it, so I mind my own business.
honestly i wasnt shocked at the price of the live painting but then i saw the quality and … yeah okay that quality + people chronically underpaying artists to begin with, now i understand why some people felt that was scammy/way overpriced
“There’s enough glasses for the bride, groom, two lawyers, and the police” PLEASE UR SO FREAKING FUNNY 😭😭😭
Fun fact- The banana and duct-tape piece is basically to make fun of the art market and critics. It's called Comedian by Maurizio Cattelan
Yeah, and 'Take The Money and Run' an art piece about nothing that got lots of money. Seems most abstract and modern art people are making fun of are pieces satirizing how the entire space has become one big money laundering scheme
@@tarotsushima3332you just described the movement lol
“Enough glasses for the bride and groom, two lawyers, and the police” 😂
it’s crazy bc I follow an ACTUAL live painting artist and they’re exquisite. I’ve seen all of the wannabe’s and copycats trying the same and it’s CLEAR their painting skills aren’t deserving of what their prices are.
As a commercial artist currently working under a fine artist, that price for like wedding painting is totally fair. But if you don't like the portfolio or don't even see one when researching, that's kind of on you.
Other comments keep glossing over that fact that they choose to get a painting in that style, no one is hiring an artist without seeing the art.
My husband and I hired a guy to do our wedding video. He had his own studio and he interviewed us both. He seemed super legit but in the end it took over A YEAR after our wedding and countless emails and phone calls to him to give us our finished wedding video. It was mediocre at best. 🤦🏻♀️ this was 15 years ago so reviews weren’t as prevalent as they are these days or we might have been warned. It’s a shame cause it was our wedding and we wanted it to be really professionally filmed. It wasn’t.
I took my cousin’s wedding video and as you’d expect the raw footage was all over the place and needed to be edited. She asked me for the camera and footage back THE NEXT DAY then was furious because it was bad, people were talking, it showed bad parts, etc. She’s stayed angry at me for over 20years and she’s not even married to the guy any more. I can’t with her.
As a wedding photographer, I can safely say that wedding video is HLURGH. Hoooo that’s so rough. BUT, you absolutely get what you pay for. $1200 for a wedding video for both the rehearsal dinner and the wedding? That’s insanely low, and I feel like his portfolio couldn’t have reflected quality. But I never want to see a couple get bad products.
In all fairness, he did make her mothman themed wedding go viral.
Idk, 1.2k is to much for quality and editing I could do in my bathroom
"HLURGH", I'm stealing that
First TikTok drama you talk about that I haven't come across on my for you page, I feel less chronically online now 😂😂
Tbf $1200 is not unreasonable for a *professional* painting. Charging that price for the second lady's paintings makes perfect sense given the high quality and skill on display. But the first lady's viral painting?... Meh.
Thank you for this video. Having just gotten married, so much media acts like brides (and grooms) are unreasonable for actually wanting services that match the inflated prices charged for everything once you say the word wedding.
$1,200 isn’t that much for a custom live painting of you on your wedding day, the issue is, it’s a lot for the quality. Not far into the video yet but that first painting image… ouch. It would cost a lot more but sending a photo to be painted will be better for the quality. Unless the painter starts at you wedding but finishes up the details at home and then sends it to you.
As an artist, I can tell you why the painting looks off. The medium (paint) doesn't match the cartoonish art style. If the piece was done in marker (markers are not less professional than paint), the painting would look less crummy and more put together. It seems like the professional saw that wedding paintings were trending online and tried to take an opportunity to participate in the trend, but they don't have enough experience with paint itself. It looks nice, but for many clients it would appear that you're not confident with using paints, and to professional painters, it looks like paint was not needed to make this art piece.
as an artist, paints can be cartoony! You just have to be able to use them to your advantage (eg Thicker lines and thinner paint).
How can these people not feel bad for ruining someone else's wedding day or memories? 😭😭😭 The amount of stress that a wedding can cause, scares me so much!
This is why my fiancé and I are having a small diy backyard wedding, pulling from Pinterest for ideas/template. We’re lucky one of our childhood friends is an amazing wedding photographer and one of our closest friends is a great DJ. Tried to go the “traditional” route and the budget just kept rising as every place we reached out to was ridiculously expensive and not worth the price. Idk how people spend more than $10k (unless you’re extremely wealthy). I’d rather spend that money on a nice honeymoon and towards our house. but hey, to each their own.
As an artist myself I see too often middle aged women who paint with acrylics who went to 1 or 2 art classes and now seem to think they are a professional. I don't know if it's delusion or if it's just overly positive thinking. Why acrylics? Because that's typically what they use in art classes, so that's how you can spot a newbie artist. People who have practiced art since they were kids are typically depressed and filled with self doubt. 45+ women beginner artists are immune to self doubt perhaps because they didn't grow up with all the shitty treatment artists always get.
Acrylic isn’t an inherently bad medium, though there are certainly cheap-ass quality acrylics with very low pigment in them. I’ve seen stunning acrylic works by very talented artists, and I’ve seen shit work by newbies using the high-end stuff.
“People who have practiced art since they were kids are typically depressed and filled with self doubt.”
This is a shit mindset. A lot of people who start art as kids are creative types who use art as their outlet. Some creative types gravitate toward music, or another kind of art. Some kids are sporty and gravitate toward various sports. It’s supremely stupid to think that what makes kids do art is self-doubt and depression. If anything, doing art takes a measure of confidence since you have to be able to look at your own work and see what can make it better and be confident enough that you can.
Those 45+ women who seem to lack self-doubt are actually the ones with enough self-doubt that they can’t look critically at their own work to see where they can improve. They can’t handle it. So they don’t, and never improve.
@@NoelleTakestheSky agreed, it's about skill, not the supplies, this is usually the case most of the time
Let's not promote the depressed artist thing...
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 its tru tho, are you even an artist at heart if you don't have three >attempts< under your belt. /HJ
@kariissmol9172 OMFG I fcking CACKLED way too hard 😭😂🤣😂🤣😂 I love you 💞
“This si what we have do far” 😭😭 the audacity some scammers have
Seeing stuff like this, I'm so happy our wedding worked out perfectly last year photo/video-wise. My brother basically put up my tripod, pointed the camcorder at us and pressed record. The white balance in the videos was way off, but I think I can fix it in post-production myself without any issues, the important thing was that all the funny moments during the reception were captured on video. Our official photographer only cost us 350€ (around $375) because it was my husband's ex-colleague who is a professional photographer. The photos came out awesome.
This happened to my coworker!! The thing is that she was aware she was hiring a "student" and paid $500 for about like 3-4hrs of work including the ceremony and pre-ceremony prep. She had a very short and small wedding.
The quality of the video was just.... about that of a bumbling uncle with a basic point and shoot.
The sound work was non existent.
And the guy said it was all the footage he got. She was devastated. They had beautiful pictures from the photographer though! So yeah guys. Buyer beware when it comes to your big special day. Ngl. It's worth the time to go with the more established photographers/videographers out there.
the price is very normal tbh.. a live painting, plus traveling? Not that expensive. Does the quality match the price? probably not, but it's not like she is lying about it 😅 she has prices listed publicly and examples of her paintings, it's not really a scam if she delivers the product you agreed upon, now is it?
12:08 When I tell y’all I SCREAMED
As a visual artist myself, I feel that art is a matter of personal perspective and appreciation. There are many different genres nowadays in all of creative world.
People have to do their own research when they are looking for different things. It's on you. simple.
Now if the person doesn't show up or not do what they agreed to then you have an argument.
When planning my future, I’m constantly torn between having a wedding and having money lol 😅
This is just sad that scammers take advantage of people at the times when they’re overly stressed and having a big life change. That being said I agree with so many here saying check their portfolios and call the references. Also reconsider that big expensive wedding and save up for a down payment on a house. 😉
Everyone disappearing from the video into thin air lmaooo
I’m getting married next spring and the entire ceremony, minus the dress, is going to be $5000 and we’re gonna have close to about 80 people. We both agreed that we rather spend money on a down payment for a house 😂. After I saw my sister spend 25 grand on her wedding last year, I knew that I didn’t wanna do that. We’re getting married at our favorite park where we love to hike, inviting both are huge families, and most of the budget is going towards a good caterer. we’re going with really rustic decorations, so it’s very cheap to decorate. We’re both really happy with this and looking forward to it, big weddings are literally such a waste of money in my opinion, as long as you’re together and happy, that’s all that should matter. we need to stop comparing our weddings to other people’s weddings, if they’re happy with their wedding I’m happy for them too, but it’s just not for me. My dream wedding dress I got is 1200 dollars but I felt like that was the one thing I wanted the splurge in for the big day, could not be more happy!
Wet got married by a firefighter at a fire station. Didnt have money for a wedding and my wife really didnt want one. I tried talking her into it for the entire time we were engaged (a few years) but she was so adamant on spending our money on our honeymoon instead. We may do a renewal wedding but itd have to be small. Honestly, paying so much for a wedding is crazy to me.
That wedding video is not it! I told my fiance that two things I will not cheep out of for the wedding are the videographer/photographer and the Emcee.
I'm a video editor myself so I was able to save a bit of money by paying the videographer to send me all of the raw footage to edit myself. I'll have control over how my video looks, but if I don't have good footage to work with, that wouldn't even matter. This is why it's incredibly important to research who you're hiring for your wedding.
😆 I ended up designing my own wedding photo album. Although I liked the photographer and most of the pictures, I did not like the way they were arranged in the album preview and sent me. She also used some pics that I did not select for album placement because I didn't like them. She was so surprised by all of my edit requests that she ended up giving me the run-down of the program she used so that I could edit it myself and told me to let her know when to order it.
Agreed! If I hear it correctly, thats a 1200 wedding video with all day camera work + equipment + post production + dvd delivery. I mean, no shit it looks like that. I’m surprised they even get a finished video tbh 😂😂😂😂
if i got married, id pay you to paint me. Again. The last time you drew me, I was described as a biter with poo for hair.
Lmfao 🤣
wedding planners are people who couldn’t cut it as stage managers or event planners…IMO
This sounds pretty right 😂
Honestly I’m glad I’m never getting married. Not only is it stressful but you pay a lot of money for something that’s not guaranteed to last. The only good thing about weddings in my opinion is the cake and food.
Weddings are what you make it. If you want to spend a lot, you will, and vice versa.
@@YayforFun09 That’s true like I have nothing against people who wanna do that. Just for me personally I’d be mad that I got married only for all that money to be wasted if the relationship dies.
I feel ya. You could always do a courthouse and spend the money on a nice trip or save it for a staycation and chill. ❤
@@japanesejackalope I mean, when most people get married they are planning to stay together for the rest of their lives and aren’t even considering the relationship falling apart.
I had a courthouse wedding. We eloped. Best day of my life, and gave me and my husband more time to relax and enjoy our special day without worrying about the details.
wasn't expecting a jimbo appearance in this one
Not trying to hate on the live artist - she was up front about everything, her pricing included some travel, and I’m guessing a reasonable hourly rate. But it’s giving a bride recreating her wedding at a Paint n’ Sip while three Chardonnays in.
My aunt literally does this same thing but she charges more like 800 and the paintings look beautiful and have her unique style.
Edit: omg 💀 I didn't actually see her work before i posted, I was hoping it would be somewhat decent. Hell nah, my aunt got a degree in fine arts and is no joke amazing at impressionists, while charging less. Absolute scam.
Props to the videographer for not editing out the couple squabbling. A look into their immediate future.
I have a former classmate that does these live paintings but she does them of the party or reception (she does a lot of these for businesses),she doesn’t charge as much, the paintings are much better and not just a loose recreation of a would-be photo. The idea is supposed to be that the painter adds in notable parts of the evening that happened at the party to capture the vibe of the evening in one go: the little kid who really likes to dance, people having a great time at a table etc. a shame she had to pay $1200 for that.
I feel like the girl scammed by the videographer had it coming. In what world would a videographer film and entire wedding day, down from practice all the way to the end, and then edit everything for days and only charge $1200??? If you were to hire a makeup artist alone to accompany you throughout the wedding day it would be over 1000 dollars (I'm talking about booking the professional for the entire day, for comparison). I'm sure there are very talented videographers that don't charge a limb for their service, but if you're gonna go with someone who charges that cheap you better make sure their stuff is legit. I highly doubt she saw his previous work before booking him, since he said that this one was his "best work" smh. That was choice, girly...
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1200 sounds cheap to you? I think it's a reasonable price especially if it's someone who lives in a small town where wages are generally lower than the ones in the city. I've never been to a wedding to know much about them but as an unexperienced person 1.2k seems like a reasonable price. I mean there are humble weddings that don't cost 10k they get their videographers somewhere surely there's affordable services out there. Y'all are just excusing the terrible work and skill of people who charge high, just like the painter in this video. He's just like her.
If you're supposed to expect an even higher price tag just for a decent wedding film, then tell me how are lower income people supposed to afford a wedding? Or are they supposed accept low quality editing like this man if they wanna have some memories of a special day? I volunteered editing a doc in HS and I did way better job than this dude. It doesn't require much skill or effort to edit out all the unnecessary footage and extras getting in the way dude was just being lazy which there's no excuse for. I guarantee you if the videographer is honest you can find someone who'll at least edit the video properly even if it's not color corrected and grained for $900
@@LovelyLittleLillies 1200 is cheap af outside of small towns.
@@LovelyLittleLillies there’s a difference between “expensive” and “a lot of money”. 1200 is a lot of money, but to say if it’s cheap or expensive it depends on the product or service. 1200 for a phone is expensive. 1200 for a car is cheap. I said in my comment that there are definitely talented professionals who don’t charge as much, but it’s up to the client to do their research if they’re deciding to go with something less expensive. Had she taken the time to research his portfolio, she wouldn’t have had this problem. I worked as a professional makeup artist for many years and everything wedding related is automatically more expensive, it’s just how things go. I feel bad for her, but once you work providing service you learn that some stuff is worth investing more on. And if you can’t afford something more expensive (as many people can’t), it’s up to you to do your research and make sure you get the absolute best service that fits within your budget. And there were definitely better professionals to do this job for this price, I’m sure. She just didn’t care to look for them. She didn’t take this decision seriously enough, and she paid the price for it.
@@hellxcas i don't think everything wedding related should be automatically marked up and that it's normal. It's a shame people are accepting this culture or many just don't have other options. It's such a special moment in people's life and people are just looking to profit of it
That clip of the bad videographer filming the couple re-imitating a cute moment for the photos is very funny. Picture yourself attending a wedding and being told to stand somewhere for minutes with a sparkler while the bride and groom do a little 'candid' photoshoot
They all just had to look at the portfolios of the people they hire or ask for a sample of what they’re looking for 😭
It’s not hard for scammers to fake their portfolios
@@MashaRistova if there’s ever a sketchy artist it’s very common for people to send in reference photos and ask for a sample/sketch of what they will probably get. It’s done with sculptures a lot. I know it’s dif from live painting but practice makes perfect 🤩 Hopefully people in the future put more thought into the artist they chose so they won’t end up disappointed
As a person who cannot draw or paint to such an amazing extent that my stick human figure looks like I have Parkinson's and also, 7.8 earthquake is in progress, I'm happy that someone matching my level of skills is both "an artist" and "for hire".
You go, Queen! Slaying the frame out of the picture😂!
Donna dewberry only paints flowers 😧 why did she think she could do figure drawing with no training!? That's wild
we all do love scamming some new love birds dont we!
There is another lady on social media who makes live paintings at weddings and her paintings are absolutely amazing!!
2:34 it's honestly not that bad. artists are often freelance or commission-based so they need to raise their prices. plus, they're working from life on a time crunch. if they're really good at what they do, it's worth it.
I gotta say that your Jigsaw idea was hilarious and had me cackling 😂😂 Just riding out on a tricycle while your guests are in traps or some shit 😂😂
this is so fun i love judging expensive weddings knowing damn well I will be spending like less than 5k when I get married
Girl i will spend 1000 max. Lol no white dress for me and all yhe money will just go to feeding ppl with good food
That art pricing is normal idk what you’re expecting. Furthermore, artists don’t have to go to traditional schools or have certification. All you need is a portfolio and someone willing to pay the prices you’re asking. Maybe that isn’t what people expect who aren’t a part of the industry or a client of the industry, but that’s just how it is. What’s more like, art schools can frequently be a scam more than an actual quality education.
Dude, yo ngl a Saw themed wedding actually sounds HYPE AF 🤣
Right!! I was flabbergasted. A 3 yr old could paint that… for free.
That happened to me on my wedding. That day we hired 2 photographers, so one could be around my husband and one around me. I don't know why but the owner ended up being my photographer. And her photos were AWFUL
All were stupidly bright of super dark, and all shaky, I don't think she knows how to use or program her camera. No interesting angles, no creative pictures, nothing, we have people blinking, red eyes, everything just a bunch of useless garbage.
But my husband's photographer was super talented, every photo was like taken from a fantasy land, they are beautiful. We hired him outside the photo business to do a re-do of my side with my family. And those pictures are gorgeous, they are my favorites.
Now he is going solo, and good for him. His work does not deserve to be with that trashy business (I'm pretty sure they stole his portfolio for their business)
Well as an artist myself, just doing a simple drawing using pens and pencils, at least for me, can take hours drawing the base lines then inking it and coloring. Most of the time I’ll work on a picture over a span of a few days, when I’m putting in maximum effort.
Also anything rawly hand drawn is going to have it quirks if you don’t use a computer to photoshop it 😂
I genuinely want a saw themed wedding omg brilliant idea
Haha!
- Nelson Muntz
I HATE weddings and I was bored to death as a child so every wedding scammer feels like late revenge.
7:41 is the best time part of this video
My wedding video is awful. This lady was recommended by someome (idk how) and i was so overwhelmed planning, that i just went with it. The final product looks like the videos my grandpa used to film of my basketball games when I was 7 in 1999. Sucks, but can't go back.
I gave up on weddings…both as a photographer/videographer and a single person.
also that wedding video looks like something someone's uncle or teenage cousin might have made in the 90s LOL
I literally just had my wife fly to California and we streamed it on Twitch. The pandemic is still happening even if everyone's pretending it isn't.
I'll be doing a proper renewal with ceremony when it's safe for my immune compromised dad to be there in Europe where I'm moving to and it'll be cheaper because North America has chaos demon levels of price.
ALSO STARTING A MARRIAGE OFF IN DEBT IS THE BEST WAY TO CONCLUDE IN AN ANNULMENT OR RAPID DIVORCE (and ruin your life). Don't do that. Be practical. It's an important day. Be reasonable and focus on what matters: the marriage. It's not about the party. It's about the couple starting together joyfully.
Yeah......I just wanna elope or have a courthouse wedding. The real money spent would be towards my honeymoon.
Wedding Fan Art would be an interesting concept
It's the paranormal wedding for me 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I mean, 1,200 pounds is pretty cheap for a 'realistic' live painting, that quality is not it though. There's another Live wedding portrait artist I used to follow who did amazing work, I don't know how much she charges but if it is anywhere near £1,200 it's a steal
it's 1,200 dollars tho not pounds
fan art of a wedding is exactly how i would describe it
I use to do Weddings. It’s expensive and hard to get done. Even if you charge $600 people expect a masterpiece. Thats not the case. You do get what you pay for, 5,000k is the average for a full day and full edit 4k service. The more you pay the more you get.
Don’t get mad when you pay low and get shit.
Yeah, hell no. I get married in a week. We do the ceremony and eat something afterwards. I don’t feel the desire to spend 60k on overpriced nonsense. We still payed like 5k. Everything got so expensive 😭💸
The sparkler walkway looks so pretty but I would be so scared how flammable wedding dresses and hairspray are T^T
When i got married in 2014 my wedding cost £550 and most of that was food for a total of 30 people. Best thing to do with venues is call one day ask their pricing for your wedding, then a day later call again with the same details just don't mention its a wedding, you'll save yourself a great deal by never mentioning its a wedding event
the old fashion way of remembering with the space between ur ears
Expecting a painting to be $10 is laughable. Several hundred dollars are to be expected. A couple thousand usually you would expect a very high quality piece that took a lot of time. Definitely not this painting lol
But this is why you see the artists portfolio of work. If they liked the art and wanted to pay the artists price it's not a scam.
....okay, but the live painting is literally a reasonable cost for a good quality painting, especially for LIVE painting. 1k is the average i've seen for it. that being said, her art isn't.... i hate putting worth on other people's art, but i. oh noooooooooo
actual live painting is rarely finished same-day. they block out the main area, then get the basic shapes and details before the event is over. then they complete it at home for a highly detailed piece.
HELP THE WEDDING VIDEO SENT ME 😭💀 I CAN’T
Completely unrelated to the subject of the video but your hair looks so good and healthy!