Is it Worth the Money? Froth-Pak Sealant 200 Spray Foam Insulation
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- I bought this Froth-Pak 200 and tested it out for you, So you can see if it's something you want to buy and use yourself. This is their 200 soft kit closed cell insulation. It's a DIY friendly spray foam kit made to help seal the gaps and fill your wall cavities so everything is air tight and well insulated.
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I have done a lot of research on these kits and I decided to go with Froth-Pak specifically because they seemed to be the larger brand name and had better reviews overall. Also the projected sqft of spray per dollar was on the better value side. None of the kits are "cheap" by any means, they all seem to be around $300 and up. So no matter what kit or brand you decide on you can plan to spend a few hundred at minimum.
The set up was very easy, just like it said. No tricks, straight forward. Just a couple things to look out for or pay attention to. I noted them in the video after I sprayed the whole contents. It is a very diy friendly kit and can be easy to get the swing of it. I'd say the biggest thing I learned was changing out my tips more frequently and making sure the bottles are all the way open. Other than that everything else was as I expected. The spray stuck to the vertical surfaces very well. The foam really did harden within 30+ seconds. It expanded very well, almost too well in some areas.
I'd say overall it was a success. I'd like to use another kit in the future for sure and I know I'd be even more successful the next time. But for my first go at it it came out just as I wanted. I'll list a couple Spray Foam kits below for you.
Froth-Pak 200 Spray Foam Kit-
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Froth-Pak 620 Spray Foam Kit-
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Froth Pak 650 Spray Foam Kit-
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VEGA Bond 480 Spray Foam Kit-
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I was told by some friends that work framing and construction to use the 2 part foam to insulate my 30x24 shop ceiling. What a HUGE mistake! Being in Florida the heat was 90 degrees and the product would setup in the nozzles within 9 seconds. I couldn't get down from the ceiling, move the ladder and get back up in 9 seconds. So, I went through all my nozzles before getting a 1/4 done. I had to regroup, buy more nozzles [not cheep] and a second kit. I realized that 1 $800 kit wasn't going to provide the coverage I needed. This project was a nightmare, cost over $1800 and left a big mess--over spray. Honestly, the over spray was my fault for not masking EVERYTHING. If I had to do it again, I'd strap mat insulation to the ceiling or pay someone else to do it. Oh, thanks for the video and I'm sure you answered most peoples questions--thanks for posting.
Aww man. See that right there can be information gold to DIY’r. I’m sure there’s other people thinking about using these kits and they need real world info and experiences to see what they can plan for.
Thanks for taking the bullet for the rest of us who were wondering about options.
lol. Yeah. It was fun to try out. But I wish I could have gotten a lot more out of it. Worked as I expected though as far as how the foam grabs, expands and sets. You’re just paying a premium price to do it yourself.
After seing this, I decided to get a professional to avoid a shit show. Thanks for the video.
lol. Yeah. If it’s a big job I’d recommend having a company come out and get it done
In 2020, I built a 1650sf ranch house in Chicago. It is 2x6 construction (required in my county for insulation). My insulation contractor quoted $2000 extra to add 2 inches of foam to the walls. My gas for 2023 was $1200 and my electric was $1400. The house seems very efficient, but it is also very quiet inside and the 2" of foam adds rigidity to the structure. Best $2k I've ever spent.
Yeah that’s a really good idea. The foam layer will create a really good thermal envelope to seal the structure. And the noise canceling qualities, that’s awesome.
Now all you need is solar and you can eliminate your electric bill 💸💸
@@SlaughterAjani we do have solar 🤑🤑🤑
@@SlaughterAjani The problem with solar is the up front cost. Typically $50k. That would take 30-40 years to break even. Unfortunately, cheaper to buy it from the electric company, unless you are truly off grid and power is not available.
@@gimpygardner3377I had a modest 12 panel 5.4kW grid-tied ground mounted array put in last year for $16,000 or a little more than $10,000 after a state credit of $1,000 and the federal tax credit of 30% it takes care of most of my usage even with a lightly used EV.
I used this in our camp, in the floors. Walls ceiling everything was WELL insulated, but the floor was not insulated? SO we were getting condensation forming on the floors... I had about 16 inches to squeeze under the place.... God what a PAIN to do... Having said that? Once it WAS finished, condensation problem was solved. Dragging the tanks along with so little clearance was a nightmare, but it sprayed well, expanded well, and fixed our problem, AND I could do it myself. Our lowest quote to HAVE it sprayed was over ten grand.... Doing it myself cost me a bit over two grand. Almost a year in at this point, so cant comment on how well it will hold up... Also put skirting on the camp, and sprayed that as well for that price.
That’s awesome!! Save yourself a ton of money.
Besides closing gaps at the bottom, it's great for filling in around electrical boxes, pipes, and other obstruction that are otherwise difficult to seal and insulate around. If you choose closed cell, doing the entire wall will provide vapor barrier and a good air flow seal.
I totally agree. It is great for all that. It was fun to use and good to see first hand how it actually applies. I would use it again but for specific applications like you mentioned. If I were to do a whole house to fill entire cavities in place of standard insulation I would probably hire out the job though. Using diy kits could be a little pricey
Thank you very much for posting and generating the comments. Didn’t actually watch the video just read the comments and sorry for what you went through
You welcome 🤙🏼 I try my best to reply to every comment. I feel like if someone takes the time to comment it’s the least I could do. Plus people sometimes have really good questions that if we get and answer to them we can help others with the same question.
The project turned out pretty good. It was fun to use the product. Learned a lot in the process
Thanks for sharing your experience. Now I know to have EVERYTHING ready before cracking open the spray gun. I would prefer this product over shaking the cans. Froth pack also appears to shooting at higher velocity compared to cans that basically dribble in contrast.
Yeah I think it worked as expected, but like you said having things all in place, plan a route so you don’t have much stopping time and to switch out the tips as you need. But it stuck to the surfaces super good and I got a decent amount of coverage out of the 200 pack
Good video! When the mfg. says
its a "Professional Use Only" product, they really mean it.
I sprayed the underside of my roof in 2020. (2) 620 kits cost me around $1600, good for 2" of closed cell foam on a 700sqft house. Saved $1500 vs. a pro.
Thanks. Yeah there’s definitely a learning process when using it. It’s probably not for every job but is fun to use.
I got quoted $20,000 to do a 1600 ft gambrel two-story garage walls and roof that was two years ago
I ended up using fiberglass and did it on myself for a few hundred dollars
@@patrickdowning1328 holy ! 😳
@@patrickdowning1328 yeah that sounds like a lot better way to go. $20k is a little crazy
Thanks for the demo and now I know to pass on the DIY larger than a rattlecan spray foam products. Once again thanks for taking the time to make the video. Ray Stormont
Your very welcome. I was hoping to show people what they can realistically expect when buying one of these kits and how it actually works when you’re applying it.
VERY VERY VERY HELPFUL!!!!!!!!!! Helpful on how to do it, how much to charge to do it, and little things to make it go faster and keep it clean!!!!!! I wish i could shake your hand Sir! Thank you!
Thank you! I really appreciate that. I was hoping to provide a little insight on the foam kits and what to realistically expect
Had a friend who did insulation, his girlfriend cheated on him, he took a 25 lb foam and opened it up and threw it in her car, shut the doors. She wasn't in it. But needless to say, couldn't open the doors.
Aww man. Thats pretty creative. I woulda like to see how that car looked afterwards
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Great video. I’m using this product to insulate my camper van project and you gave me a lot more confidence to do this
That’s great to hear. It was fun to use and overall pretty easy. If you’re doing more of a full fill of a cavity and walls you might want to use the 600 pack. Has more coverage and you can still use the straight tip or the fan tip. Either way it’ll work good. Sticks to whatever surface your spraying it on well
Thanks Very good information that you put out about the product I feel more comfortable to buy this product and try it out my self instead of spending thousands of dollars to pay a spray foam contractor to do it for me
You’re very welcome. It was fun to use and overall not too bad. I could have put some stuff down on the floor to make clean up a little easier but even then it wasn’t bad. It does what it’s advertised to do as far as filling gaps and sealing up.
even when it’s gotten a little hard acetone will work really well but scraping first good idea if you can then acetone the rest. if it gets stuck in fabric then acetone will take it out a leave no residue with a rag. or very little shouldn’t be sticky
Good information. I don’t think a lot of ppl realize this stuff can be defeated with acetone.
@@FortKnoxCo yea when i worked at a insulated pipe plant we have these end clamps that don’t always seal the greatest and it had squeezed out on me and got all over my face. not many people knew then either i had to melt it off when i got home my work cloths where messed up but worked good enough on facial hair. it was eight hours later in a 12 hr day. the fresher the easier but as you showed in the video if it’s still soft it will melt like butter but as it gets more set it becomes more of a soaking thing.
Great job showing how to use spray foam kit.
Thank you!
One thing I noticed that probably contributed to the poor mix at times where you thought you were running out, it appeared that you did not uncoil the hoses. As you went along you can see in the video that the hose from one side or the other was choking off as the coil tightened up as you went almost full extension. This will disrupt your 50/50 mix, you definitely don’t want to crimp or restrict the flow in either hose. Unwind the hose prior to use then make sure the tanks are never facing 90 degrees away from you. You do not want any unnecessary bends impeding the flow of product, make sure the valve outlets are always pointing towards the direction of the area being sprayed. Great video though!!
That’s some really good pointers right there. Never thought that much about that. Obviously you don’t want a link in the hose. But even some sharp bends or coils could restrict that flow. 🤙🏼
These kits are great /in the right application/, and I can't stress that enough. They give you several spray tips in each kit, and man will you go through them! They clog up in about 10 seconds or less when you stop spraying. If you're moving up and down a ladder, moving the ladder, climbing back up-- clogged! Prepare wisely to minimize your movements and maximize your spraying time and you'll be ok. Expect a learning curve. I've used a few of the 650' $1K kits. What I've learned is with the expense of the kits, the hassle of doing the job, and the fact that you really should do it on a HOT day for maximum expansion, you might be better off hiring a local foam spray company. It ended up being the same $ for me to buy and use the kits as it would be hiring someone, and I wouldn't have had to do the work and sweat my rear end off in a wet suit. For applications where the company might charge you more for slow cramped going, such as a crawlspace, these kits might save you.
Really really good information. This is exactly the kinda stuff I wanted to portray in the video. Show a little good and bad and just things to consider when planning a job
@@FortKnoxCo Your video is nicely done, thank you!
@@AimingWanderously thank you I appreciate that
If you spray till its empty I'll almost guarantee you'll spray some off ratio foam.
I worked for 16 yrs in the spray foam roofing industry and in my opinion these are good for emergencies only.
Not very rigid compared to closed cel and take seemingly forever to react and cure out fully.
Yeah I think the kits would be good for small projects or something maybe a big company wouldn’t do a bid on.
Thank you for this.
No problem at all 🤙🏼
Just don’t understand how you will switch to glass or something like that after messing up the cavity? All foam I get, part foam seems odd?
In my situation I just wanted to seal up some of the areas in the lower portion of the wall cavities closes to the ground. Figured it wouldn’t hurt. I honestly I just wanted to try out one of these foam packs and see how it worked. So I used that as an excuse to try it out, spend the money and document my experience. Nothing more complicated or deeper than that. Just wanted to try it out and show the good and bad so someone could see for themselves how it worked for me.
Thanks for foam video, but you should get everything sealed up first. Watch videos on how to build an inexpensive "passive house".
Good information
didn't look like you got much coverage ?
I got a good amount of coverage with the straight nozzle, but this was just the 200 pack. Got all around the structure where I wanted and had a little left over
Thanks! I learned from this what I needed.
Awesome!! 🤙🏼
Hi question it’s that spray foam works on attic’s roofing? Did you know
Some people do use it for roof insulation. Either on the ceiling in the attic or on the underside of the roof underlayment. Depends on your area and climate too if it will be good or not
Thanks!!!!
Your welcome 🤙🏼
Great video, I used cans that were 10 years pass expiration and they sprayed fine. I also wish i switched out my tips more because i also had single component spray and it was always random and should have just changed the tip. Brake cleaner is great to clean the foam when wet, spray BC down the tips of needed or let them soak in BC. Also, to remind the group this is the 200 sealant and not the 210 insulation...... The differences idk.
Awesome info!! Yes the 200, 210 & 650, green box , red box …. All apparently different. The boxes say for sealing or for insulating. They seem to all preform the same as far as how the foam comes out and sprays. I just think they give you more coverage per their defined “board feet”.
I do like the cans for a lot of jobs. I always know what to expect with those. I may try one of the 12/24 can kits that come with the spray gun nozzle. Those look fun and maybe get some better control and can pace myself. I felt like once I charged those lines with the two tanks I had to go go go.
Thank you, this is a good teaching tool.
Your very welcome
Sorry do you stick the tip in before you apply or after you apply the petroleum jelly? I would think after.😂 Seriously, it looks like a pretty good way of definitely closing any gaps on the bottom or through light switches etc. I’ve always wondered about this product. It does seem a bit liquid, leaving drops all over the place. Thanks for all the info!
Haha. Yeah no problem. I had a lot of questions too. It was fun to use. The dripping wasn’t too bad. I was trying to rush because I didn’t know how fast I needed to keep moving. But if I would use it again I know I could keep it to a minimum.
Great video. Quick question. Do you need to shake the tank's. And if so can you talk about that . Thanks in advance.
I don’t believe you need to shake them. It did not say on the instructions or on the tanks to shake first. I think because they are two separate compounds and will mix in the nozzle. The cans of foam you buy handheld you need to shake because they are mixing inside the can and not the nozzle
Call the Pro. You will spend 10X the money buying Froth Pak. Not only that, you need to know what your doing because it can turn to a disaster very quickly.
Yeah if it’s a big job it might be better to hire out the whole thing.
It can turn to disaster with “pros” also
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What happens if the chemicals don’t mix right?
Then you’ll get a soupy substance and it won’t expand as it should. Goopy waters mix, more dark yellow looking too. If that’s the case you probably have a bad nozzle tip. And if the new nozzle doesn’t help you may have a defective unit.
Does anyone know if there is anything to the notion that if your house is too sealed, it could create mildew issues? I have heard this but don't know if it is true.
it kinda depends on where you are building to start. with places that have a lot of wet weather it may be something to consider. Usually you want a really good thermal envelope on your structure for heating and cooling efficiency. In high humidity areas you may have common building practices that help with that. certain ways to ventilate the roofs and walls. but normally in your living spaces you want a good sealed area with good controlled ventilation. you don't want outside air and weather making its way inside unless your controlling it.
Here in Vegas we have our walls and interiors sealed up well but the roofs have plenty of ventilation and the exteriors have layers to shed water and allow it to dry if needed without making its way to the interior wood framing.
@@FortKnoxCo Thanks. That makes sense. I live in the Midwest. We have extremes in hot and cold as well as periods of high humidity so insulation is important but there is often the possibility of mildew issues.
Being too well sealed was a problem at one point (70s or so) but nowadays we have solutions like whole house dehumidifiers and ERVs that can allow houses to be built quite well sealed without issue.
Matt Risinger has some videos on this.
Unfortunately it's more of a custom home type deal due to cost. A lot more thought has to go into it and retrofitting is unlikely to be cost effective.
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this is exactly why you should get foam professionally installed
You should definitely get some quotes and see what will work for your specific situation
thanks for the video, great info. My sons name is Knox, new sub here
That’s awesome!! Thank you! I appreciate it 🤙🏼🤙🏼
How many sq foot do you believe it would do? I have a former back porch that we built the house on to and want to use it on the bottom of deck to seal up from house.
It did about 250+ of linear feet I’d say. I mainly used the straight stream nozzle and I was able to go around this whole perimeter of a 1,900sqft building.
Very helpful video. Thank you for doing this.
Your welcome. It was fun to use and finally see first hand how it all works.
Did the 1/4 gaps between the particle boards cause you to fail the ventilation test?
No. The foam did really well with sealing anything large. The only places I had any air leaking was the attic access and a couple areas around where the base plate sits on the concrete. I needed to caulk along the whole edge.
@FortKnoxCo Rhere is a tape that adheres to the wood and concrete. It eliminates air,water and bugs from entering around sill plate.
Also, one could mix Borax, sodium bicarbonate and sodium carbonate mixed with water; put it garden sprayer and saturate the interior cavities from sill plate and up two feet. Kills termites and ants (anything hungry for wood) that would enter from foundation. The mixture will also retard mold growth if a moisture incident occurs.
@@davepetrakos475 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 thanks for sharing that
Can this be used in a basement application? do you need to use some sort fire retardant over top of the foam? Great video.
You could definitely use it in a basement. I’d your code requires a fire retardant barrier you may need something. But usually you spray foam and have it covered by drywall or it’s in a closed spaces once you’re done. So you would use you fire rated drywall for those spaces.
@@FortKnoxCo Thanks, I really appreciate it :)
@@ajc0372 no problem at all
OH AND I WANTED TO SEE HOW THOS STUFF WORKS WITH THE FXN SPRAY TIP TO COVER THE AREA BETWIXT THA 2X4s
Yeah, I didn’t do much of that. I want to try another pack on a small project and I’ll use the fan spray
If you need more than 1 or 2 kits, hire a professional! I’ve installed a ton of these kits and the FP600 kits and it just sucks to do. It’s messy and you really have to know what you’re doing. Temperature of area is important and a proper respirator is mandatory.
Very good advice 🤙🏼
Just spray a bit all over and then use bat insulation over it. But! Do your electrical correctly bc that is fd up.
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Where Did you purchase the product?
I have links for in the video description.
I bought mine at Home Depot because it was the same price as Amazon and I wanted to use it that same day. They are usually pretty close in price
Safety goggles. And how much is it
The pack I used in got for around $300. But they can be found from $275-$350 I’ve seen.
Was it worth the $400 though? Seems like you could have got a similar result using the cans that work in the gun for much cheaper?
I was thinking about using the cans system, but after doing a lot of video and review research it looked like the way the foam set up wasn’t as thick on a single pass and the cost wasn’t extremely different to offset the chance. So I was about to purchase a set of the cans that had the same or close too board feet of spray but ended up going with Froth-Pack since it was a better product in my opinion. I didn’t want to spend $250-300 on a sub par foam and not just pay the $380-399 on a quality one.
I may try one of the can system on a small wall that I plan on insulating in the attic though. If I do I’ll definitely make a video on it to show just how good or bad it is
@@FortKnoxCo That makes sense if you used the Froth-Pak as insulation but to my eye, it looks like much of it was just wasted where as with the can system, you could have been much more precise on where the foam went and would probably need much much less to achieve the same air stop. Just my thoughts, maybe I'm not seeing it the same way. Great video though on the process. It's invaluable for anyone wanting to try this out themselves. This solution would be perfect on a basement wall where you get moisture coming through before you framed over it. The closed cell actually blocks moisture where as the open cell stuff sort of sucks it up like a sponge.
@@seephor I get what you’re saying. Yeah for just sealing corners you could probably get that sealing effect with either system so why not save a little money. The spray cans looked like you could have more time and control possible. I still want to try them out and see for myself.
I mainly wanted to use one of these products I’ve seen but actually show maybe the not so good side of doing it yourself. Just how easy or hard they really are , or maybe they are just as user friendly as the other videos show them
Out to be. I feel like you can learn more about something when it doesn’t go as planned sometimes.
The boardfeet claim they make on the insulation foam is purely aspirational. I had to use 3 whole packs at $1k a piece for what should have been a 1 pack and done job. My take on it is that you'll actually save money paying someone to do the work when yields are no where near correct.
@@_TraMor I agree. I don’t think I got as much out of it as I expected. Especially since I was just shooting it in the corners and not actually sprain the hole inside of the wall cavities. I don’t think I would’ve gotten 200 square feet of wall coverage like that. I know if you read the fine details it will sometimes say board is calculated not necessarily by 1” x 12” but more like 2”x 4” wide. So if you’re not looking closely, it may be a little bit deceiving. Overall, I feel like it’s still accomplished what I wanted, but I obviously paid a little bit of a premium to play around with some foam.
Nice video
Thank you 🤙🏼
If you seal the walls your house will get sick house syndrome because you're building must circulate air through the walls
Yeah depends on where you live and codes too. Some call for restricted air flow for fire prevention or moisture. I’ve seen both ways of doing it. You do want a good thermal envelope on your home for heating and cooling costs and efficiency. We have tests that have to be done and they only allow a certain amount of lost air flow. When they do the test it will expose every time leak. By the baseboards, outlets, everything. So if air is moving inside the wall and escaping somewhere as soon and that opening is on the inside like an outlet or drywall seam or vent opening it will leak.
Get an ERV to introduce fresh air while exhausting some of what is already in your home. The best rooms to exhaust from are every bathroom. The cook top fan will need "make up air". For my kitchen, I just open a window just enough for the chosen fan speed. This has all but eliminated grease on my cupboards, ceiling fans, walls etc.
@@davepetrakos475 great information! Yes you do still need controlled air flow and proper ventilation for sure
The framers should not have had sheathing joints that weren’t on a stud.
It was mostly in areas where it wasn’t required to have sheathing at all but still installed sheathing 100% across the whole structure. The sheer walls have everything lined up and nailed to schedule. The rest of the walls were mostly all lined up but there were a couple spots that had a small gap. It still gave the structure stronger integrity than not having anything nailed up and a solid surface for the stucco to be applied to.
Not worth it in my opinion. Cost me 360.00 bucks (i think) and was able to foam 2 bathtubs and 1 wall cavity.
Yeah may not be for every application or project. Just depends on what you’re trying to get out of it too. The sealing quality is great and something you’re not going to get with just fiber insulation. Also the added structural rigidity where applied. But might not be cost effective
If they could make the price right, this stuff would fly off the shelves.
Yep. I totally agree. If it was very cost effective then I’d have no problem going through the hassle. It’s fun to use. Just hurts the wallet.
$383.97 dollars (that's without tax) gees, some of us can't afford that.
Yeah it’s not cheap. Using this stuff is a premium price. Just depends on what your using it for and if it’s worth it or not
Please start spraying.
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Did not finish, very repetitive, moved on.
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IDK, the long term off gassing just turns me away.
Could be a thing to look into. Seeing what’s the exposure and hazards to it.
$100 per 32 square ft to have it done in Ohio
Not too bad
Is it a requirement of TH-cam to talk for 1/2 an hour before actually doing something?
Yes, it’s in the channel verification portion of the contract. It’s to prove you’re a real person and not Ai. Technology is crazy these days.
Huge mistake to use spray foam insulation within the timber frame. It will lead to the development of interstitial condensation, black mold and timber rot! Insurance companies will not cover any property that has used this method in any part of the property.
Use vapour open insulation instead, such wood fibre, hemp fibre, rockwool... Educate yourself before posting any sort of content.
I appreciate your feedback. Makes sense what you’re saying. I believe a lot of it will depend on where your building and what their local codes are too. Spray foam definitely isn’t for every application.
Also as far as posting content, I’m not forcing anyone to use anything, not even saying this is better than that. I’m simply showing ppl what I did, why I chose it, what my experience was and what I learned. Nothing wrong with getting more info out there and letting ppl make their own choices. There’s not a lot of stuff out there showing the good and bad of things.
I do alot of remodeling i would think if u hand to rewire it would be a bitch
Yeah. Working through foam on a remodel can be difficult. Not fun.
Too expensive! Cheaper to get a pro to do it.
If you’re going to do a whole house, I would definitely hire it out. The DIY kits are definitely a premium.
Half the price to do it for me. I guess it’s where you live
@@TylerStevens-h5l yeah I bet it’s different in different areas. It’s not super common out here in Vegas for some reason. I’d figure with the extreme heat’s we have it would be more popular
$5-$7 a foot for a 2 inch layer for a pro
I feel this is about 1/2 that cost
@@bwblackburn2953 yeah it depends on where your getting the foam at what price and then comparing to what company. I think overall a small project it could make sense to do it yourself for a couple hundred bucks. Most companies might not come out for a small area to be done.
DO NOT take the quiz...so much blablablalblalal and not going to the point...come on...leading to a buy my book type of speech...click out and do not waste ur time!!
so are you gonna buy my book or not?.... Man I wish I had a book to sell. I know I do do a lot of talking, I guess it's my style, not for everyone obviously. But I have had many people thank me for the content. Making videos and talking and then editing them down to something you feel is educational and still entertains is hard. but I guess it is what it is. I hope when I do come out with a book or something like that you'd find my channel again and maybe give it a shot. In the mean time all I got is these cool shirts I make myself, all with an American flag on the sleeve and they fit really good. Thanks for commenting though
Open cell not worth crap
I agree. Good thing this stuff is closed cell
This stuff looks like trash. Don't do this.
It was fun to use and I accomplished what I wanted from it. I think there’s some things to consider for sure before you use it on just any project though.
From my personal experience with this type of spray foam system, no it's not worth the money.
I’d say I agree for the most part. It did what I thought it would. But wasn’t as fun to use or covering what I had hoped. You pay a premium for this stuff. If you’re going to DIY a whole home and fill the walls…. I would look into a company to do it for you. If you want to spray one wall or maybe a shed then maybe use one of these boxes.
@@FortKnoxCo it's actually cheaper to have a contractor do the work. I'm all for DIY, but sometimes it's not worth the effort
@@maddawgnoll I agree. for something small it may work out to DIY. but for a whole home I would recommend a business that specializes in it.
Cans would be easier and cheaper for just sealing, unless you have a lot to do. Definitely not worth using for insulating wall cavities.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. This Froth-Pack specifically says it’s for sealing and filling gaps,etc. so that’s why I chose the green box 200. But I believe the red boxes are set up a little different with the intent to spray full walls.
I may use a can system in the future to try it out for comparison. I plan on adding some insulation in the attic where the living space is separated from the area above the garage.
@@FortKnoxCo If using a bunch of cans, the cans that need a separately purchased gun (Great Stuff Pro) work better since you don't need to hold the can upside down. They also allow you to use the same can for up to 30 days after it has been initially used because the seal is at the gun tip.
@@bobbray9666 that’s a good idea. I need to check out some other options on the next project.
You talk way too much
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@@FortKnoxCo don't listen to that BS, fort knox. this was great info. much appreciated and the right amount of info.
I thought he talked a perfect amount. Have you made a video explaining how to use spray foam?
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Question: You were using the "Sealant", which Froth-Pak says is NOT intended to be used to take the place of insulation between studs like you're showing! I've recently been confused by this but can't get any info from the company (DuPont.) They have a product called "Insulation", which they say is intended for area coverage (see the "620" cylinders.) Is the only difference closed cell/open cell? Can you still use the "Sealant" for insulation, or will it be a waste because it's too dense? Need help on this!
Yes. One is labeled as sealant and one is labeled for insulation or filling full cavities. One has more product than the other as it would be needed to cover the larger areas.
The biggest difference I found was in the descriptions of how it’s labeled and said to expand is than on is calculated for coverage by a couple inches wide and 1-2 inches thick and the other is calculated more of a wall cavity width and a couple inches think. There’s not really any difference in the product itself. It’s how you want to use it and what type of tip you want to put onto the end of the gun to get the straight stream or wide fan.
I used this pack basically as intended to seal all the corners and gaps. I played around with it in a wider format to see what it would do and how it acted in different scenarios.
The only other difference when shopping in general for ANY foam product is if you want open cell or closed cell. Open can be more porous and closed can help with actually sealing air and moisture.
@@Eric_B yes. It’s closed cell. The only reason I can see for them to put into different packs and colors is only really for different applications and making it a label. So someone wanting to seal stuff won’t have to buy and “insulation” kit and Vi’s verse. It seems to be all the same product really. One kits has less square footage than other. Again to create separate products and application cases. But my guess is mostly marketing niche applications.
@@FortKnoxCo Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge! I’m going to tackle a small project of a couple of bedrooms in a cabin where batting just won’t work. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
@@Eric_B yeah you should be good. It’s funny to use and it acted as expected. It will definitely seal and make whatever your spraying air tight.
Good video
Thank you
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing all of the quirks in using this type of setup.
I was going to get one of these, but now with the way I will need to be stopping and starting a few minutes later, that rattle cans are likely my best option.
I’m happy you found it helpful and informative. My goal was to show the good and bad so people had a realistic expectation and could do exactly like you said. It’s fun to use though. The cans will be just as fun I bet.
Excellent demonstration Sir! This is exactly what I was looking for.
I may use this for my 16X24 sher build.
Thank you for spending the time for a "normal people" use video. 😊
Your welcome! Thats what I was going for. Didn’t want to embellish anything and just kinda see how it went and show what it was like for me. That way ppl could make their own decision and have realistic expectations
Yeah, thanks for putting down $400 to do this. I’ve been wondering about these for a while now.
No prob. It was fun to play with but obviously has its limitations and places I would or wouldn’t use it. For a whole house … no way. But for spot sealing or small addition maybe a fun choice.
when using this you should have acetone on hand if it’s still hasn’t set up acetone will melt it away and wipes up not bad . but probably have some rags also.
Good idea!! Great information 🤙🏼
in europe in general spray foam is used in tiny houses and diy dwellings but not in serious houses as you can not inspect the roof and walls for woodrot, leakage or quality of work meaning the roof is uninsurable and resale value plummets as well as the buyer is buying a cat in a sac ie some roof in some condition
Yeah it may not be ideal in this either applications. It’s still not used across the board but does have its benefits. Come with some cons though. Renovations, visual inspections and repairs could be difficult. Not impossible but adds more labor to work through the material and get at a problem area
Cans would never spray or cover like this did,. and you did it in about 1/10 of the time if you tried to do the same with cans.
I wonder if it's true closed cell and could be used in boat floatation application.
Yeah this method definitely is way faster than cans. The boat application would be interesting. They obviously don’t state that on the box as a recommended use. But would be interesting to see if it could be an option.
If you are doing new construction get it done for you. Cheaper and worth the cost. If you are remodeling an old house like I did to mine the kits are great. I used tiger foam. Get a fire rated one. Buy plenty of extra nozzles and extra gloves. Make sure the tanks are warm and the walls are also. At least 75 degrees, 80 is better. Yes it will be like a sauna. Get a friend to help you. My cousin moved the tanks and readied new tips. I changed my tips every two sections of wall. I got about 600 square feet at one inch thick. Well worth it.
That’s awesome information 🤙🏼
Thanks for the video. Sure answered a lot of questions for me and help me to decide that the product was going to do what I needed it for. Thanks again.
Your very welcome 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Didn’t you supposed to shake the tanks truly for about three minutes or so?
No, there wasn’t anything in the instructions indicating to shake the large containers. Just how to set up and purge the lines before use. I don’t believe these need shaking as the two compounds are separate until they mix at the nozzle. In the hand held cans it’s all mixed in on can so you need to shake those.
How many times did he say he wanted to see what these packs could do 😂😂😂😂
Waaaay too many times. 🤙🏼
Cost wise for large sq ft areas, it's cheaper to hire insulators. $350- $400 dollars per 200 sq ft. People should consider options. As far as floor protection, it's easy to clean. Unless you intend to stain the concrete, protection required!
Agreed. Definitely get a couple quotes and see what route you wanna take before buying a bunch of foam packs
How do you think this would work on a metal shed? I'm getting a 10' x 14' DYI shed
It would work good. Both would get the froth pack 650. The froth pack 200 I got was mainly for sealing stuff. The 650 pack will cover more and give you more of the full wall spray insulation.
Wait until it's hot,you get better yield
There's a lot of terrible videos on this product. Thank you for making a good video that actually talks about the experience of using it and not just what it's suppose to do.
That’s exactly what I was trying to go for. I saw lots of videos of what it’s supposed to do and it always turned out Perfect it seems. But we all know that’s not how DIY stuff goes. So I wanted to give it a shot and try it out for myself and figured I’d be pretty candid about the experience. Overall, it was fun, but definitely not cost-effective if you’re going to be doing a whole entire house.
@@FortKnoxCo Maybe the other guys were sponsored and couldn't afford to be honest? Either way very uninformative. Do you think it's suitable for air sealing an attic? That's what I'd be using it for. If not do you know a product that might be?
@@richardeicholtz4868 it would depend on how many square feet you are needing to cover and your access ability. It will definitely spray and stick to whatever surface you’re sealing. So it will hit and expand for sure. I’d go for the red box with 650 feet coverage. You can choose the straight spray or fan spray depending on how you want to cover stuff.
But it’s good stuff. Just not the cheapest. Unless you compare a quote from another company to see $/sqft. They have those 24 can packs that use a spray nozzle and you can get coverage but from what I could see it doesn’t expand as much as these bigger tank packs and having the stuff actually mix at the nozzle
@@FortKnoxCo Got it. Good point on the mix. It's hard to find some clear cut videos on substances to use for air sealing. Plenty videos on how to but not many saying I use "this". I just happened to be in Lowe's rust and saw the stuff there and figured I'd start researching on TH-cam. So worse case I have that to fall back on.
@@richardeicholtz4868 it will definitely seal air tight. That it will do. You will know best how you want to apply to what area/surface. But it will 100% seal whatever it sticks to. I got A/C running in my casita and I’m about to get my thermal envelope test certificate done. We’ll see what they say as far as the thermal envelope rating.
To much jibber jabber video could have.been made in 5 mins
Yeah but what’s the fun it that. Hang out for a bit and enjoy some jibber jabber. 🤙🏼
I recently used Froth-Pak Sealant 200 and found it to be effective for sealing gaps, though it is a bit pricey.
I agree. It did well with sealing and adhering to the surfaces. Loved that. But yes it’s a bit pricey. I think it’s a good option for a small project.
@@FortKnoxCo Thanks for agreeing! For larger projects, I've been looking for more cost-effective options. Have you tried any other products that work well for sealing gaps?
@@johnsonsinsulation I’ve only tried the single spray cans I’m sure we have all found at the big box stores. But this was the first real spray gun set up I’ve tried.
Should have filled the inside corners of walls
I did with some of the extra I had. Ran it up the corners and got it back behind the stud framing
Very informative video! Thank you!
You’re very welcome !
Thats fine
For sure 👍🏼
Thanks man! There is a lot of product in those cans, more than I expected.
Yeah it did a good job for what I wanted. Ended up having more than I needed for all the bottom cracks and sealing outlets
@@FortKnoxCo I just used two single cans in my shop, it worked great. I must admit, that stuff if messy and hard to control. On the hand held can I would recommend to anyone quarter squeeze to create a straight uniform line. Anymore and it’s goes crazy and is unpredictable.
@@stevodakine1 yep for sure. It takes a learned touch to get the technique down. The spray gun kit that I used sticks to what it being applied to a lot better than coming out of a can and spray tube. It’s more liquid spray and immediate sticks and starts to expand. The cans seem to expand out of the tip of the tube and don’t grab as easily and the big kits. Thats the biggest difference I think overall.
Great review!
Thank you!
You talk way to much
I appreciate your feedback 🤙🏼
EXPENSIVE!!😢
It can be. Money 💰
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Thank you !
Why is it so expensive
I think it’s just for the convenience of making it a diy pack. It’s not the best idea if you’re spraying a whole home, you’d probably want to pay a company to do that. But for a small project it could be effective.
Where can buy this ?
I have links on the video and in the description
How do you do electrical repairs in the future?
Access your electrical which ever way you choose and then when you come across the foam you can break away with hand or tools. It’s not rock hard, can be cut with a blade easily. Break it away from what you want to work on. And then if you choose to you could reform around where you broke apart with the small rattle can spray foams
It's good for ever, if you have electrical problem buy other house.
Problem solved!
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☝️AT THE COST OF THIS PRODUCT ☝️ WHY WASTE THAT FIRST SQUIRT JUST START THE PROCESS N BE DUN WITH IT WHO CARES IF THERES A SPOT THAT'S NOT PUUURRRFIK
The initial spray isn’t too much but I get what you’re saying, get every inch out of it at this price.
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don't listen to that BS, fort knox. this was great info. much appreciated and the right amount of info.
I thought the video was super helpful. Have you made a video showing how to use spray foam?
Why in the fuck would you just float two boards like that and not measure to the stud
There were only certain areas on the plans that called for shear walls, so the areas that are shear walls I had everything lined up and on the studs and nailed according to schedule. But the rest of the structure, almost 80% of the structure, would not be required for to have any OSB board or paneling at all. I went the extra measure and paneled the whole structure. But in only a couple spots the panels didn’t meet up perfectly and I just left it since right above and around it there would be crossing panels holding everything together. The extra OSB board helped with the structural integrity obviously, but it also helped give the stucco around the whole building a solid base.
get a water leak and you will be hating spray foam or try to add electrical outlets or change plumbing around . IT IS A NIGHMARE . When i bought my second home I found it out the hard why . The other owner spray foamed the floors and walls of the laundry room and I found out there was a leak in a water line and it was not in the spot we thought the leak was at . Then we decided to remodel the horrible kitchen and it was another nightmare . 2 outlets in 20x24 ft kitchen does not work and 1 of those outlets was behing the fridge so another spray foam nightmare that the other owners did
What would you use instead of spray foam that is equal or better? Thanks
@@technicalitems731 inb my retirement house I used roxul rockwool . critters don't like it , it does not get wet and does not harbor mold but is expensive but has a better R value . i have 2 layers of it in my attic but last year decided to add to it , but could not get it here so ended up putting in R 30 unfaced regular insulation . to now an r 200 and this summer I had to put my air on 80 because it got to cold in here . The house is 2440 sq ft 2x6 stud walls . but I wanted to cut my electric bill even more . There is R 60 in the floors , plus under vinyl plank floor I put in insulated underlayment that was waterproof ontop and wool on the bottom plus painted all the subfloors with a waterproof paint 4 coats . last winter my electric bill was 100 dollars and they rased the rates and only thing around here is electric or propane and in hunting country i don't trust having a big propane tank . Heat pump is new lennox dual compressor with dual stages and wifi thermostat that i get e-mail every month that says how much it ran . July and August reports were it ran only 16 hours and 21 hours
Yeah, the foam insulation is great and has a lot of benefits, but it can add an extra layer of difficulty in some situations when doing repairs or renovations. I wouldn’t say it’s a complete reason to avoid using it but maybe use it sparingly or in certain areas. Kind of depends on what your plan is. Also, the foam offers a lot of air and ceiling, that other insulation do not. So you probably have to give-and-take with the pros and cons.
Yeah, it’s hard to get the ceiling qualities of foam without having to fight against that in the situation where you need to remove it. So it might just depend on what you’re willing to put up with in the situation where you might need to do a repair. Obviously the hope is that you will not need to open up that wall for a long, long time
Great great information right here! 🤙🏼
TLDR: NO. . . and what a waste of fuck'n 20m
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