Erik Thoennes - How do you explain the Trinity?
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- Jonny Ardavanis is the Dean of Campus Life at The Master’s University and hosts the podcast Dial In with Jonny Ardavanis. He is passionate about the Gospel and God’s Word and desires to see people understand and obey it.
Dial In with Jonny Ardavanis: Big Questions, Biblical Answers, is a series that seeks to provide biblical answers to some of the most prominent and fundamental questions regarding God, the Gospel, and the Bible
In this episode Pastor and Professor Erik Thoennes answers the question: “How do you explain the Trinity?”
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“Pray to the Father, through the Son, in the power of the Holy Spirit.” Thank you for this discussion and clarity. So beautiful.
Another great episode. Thanks Jonny!
This is excellent.
Great video!
Love your videos
Great explanation! Thanks Erik and Jonny.
Thanks John Paul!
@@dialinministries You're welcome
I don't know who y'all are but TH-cam snuck you in my feed and I'm glad they did.This is a beautiful explanation of the Trinity thank you ❤️
Really Glad I found this video, so many preaching about God being Jesus, and not seeing Jesus as the Son of God and God as the Father who created all who sent He's only begotten Son as sacrifice for our sins.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
That’s not an original verse
@Jonny, what shoes are wearing? They look awesome. I’d love to get me a pair
Thanks for the channel. It's great to listen to these discussions. I did notice at 4:10 you refer to the Holy Spirit as "it" rather than "He" 😅. I believe the Holy Spirit has a character and should be referred to using the third-person pronoun. It may seem trivial but I think it matters. Correct me if I'm wrong.
sjame bru, i think you are confused
agreed! blunder on my part
@@dialinministries Thanks for the effort to bring us truth through these discussions. May God continue to bless you and this channel.
Agreed bro, You are so right
This looks like the old youth minister interviewing his replacement. 😂 Thank you for the message Brothers.
Was this recorded in Lakeview Chapel?
When explaining to others I’ve always thought of the trinity as the difference between our mind, body, & spirit. All three in one yet different. What do you think?
I agree...because even in genesis, God said "let us create man in our image, according to our likeness".... the human essence is a mere image of the divine essence that is God.
The relationship between our soul, body and spirit.....is an image of the eternal relationship between the Father, the Son(Word) and the Holy spirit.
@@maverickinvestmentgroupllc1341 ???
Is there something I said that wasn't right?
@@dcrativ-mix7662 no I must have pocket replied. Don’t know where that reply came from. 😅
@Brad Conklin an educated reply is irrelevant for you. Read proverbs 26:4-5 and you’ll understand.
Genesis said "created in OUR likeness". We are 3 in One. Just like Father, Son, HS. I'm my mind, my body, and have spirit in me. The Trinity is 1st mentioned in the VERY 1st three verses of the Bible. Genises 1:1,2,3=Trinity
First! Oh wait, "the first will become last " dang it!
Ha! Clever.
When will the Roman church come out with the quadrinity? Gotta get Mary in there!
Nothing new under the Sun
you are displaying your ignorance of Catholic theology. the 'Roman' church is the Church founded by Christ, unlike the hundreds of protestant sects all founded by men and following the tradition of men. the Churches that go back to the Apostles (Catholic, Orthodox and Oriental) ALL honour and venerate the All Holy Virgin Mother of God. NONE OF THEM (including the Catholic Church) worship the Immaculate Virgin or equate her with God. try to educate yourself and don't be afraid to love Holy Mary, you'll never love her as much as Christ does. BTW; if we sinners can pray for each other how much better that the Holy Virgin prays for us. ***Ave Maria***
@@marcokite “I am the Truth, the Way and the Light. None can come to the Father except by me.” Notice that Mary is not included. The Catholics rewrote portions of scripture in order to gain their alleged authority.
Example: Man and women gets married. The two becomes one. They are two but now one. Father King Yeshua Holy Ghost all in one.
Deuteronomy 29:29 “secret things belongs to the Lord.”things He reveled to us belongs to us.
Some things are are just mysteries of God. In Heaven we will finally understand. To God be the glory!
The Trinity is confusing because we know God, Jesus and the HS but the Trinity was meant to influence a polytheistic doctrine and that is sinful and harmful. For example: the polytheistic meaning of the Trinity has helped lead the church into thinking that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is dead and, therefore, the fear of God isn’t necessary. Jesus describes this process in the “vine” analogy when describing us abiding in Him.
Sir, You can’t show scripture of the Holy Spirit relating to the Father and/or the Son so what are you talking about? How is the Holy Spirit related to God and Christ? God and Christ are related to each other because they are Father and Son so where the Holy Spirit fit into the picture?
I am ever perplexed by pastors… some well known who don’t believe in the trinity. Jesus Baptism says it as plain as can be!
Steven Furtick leave the group. 😜
Does he believe in it? The trinity?
why? does he not believe in trinity?
@@eh8681 Furtick was preaching modalism
Sloppy prayer ? Also take in consideration everyone doesn’t know this theology and I’m sure God knows their hearts in prayer and hears them.
Read the Old Testament in Hebrew!!! There are a lot of verses and there are forceful and amazing examples of the "Plurality" of God which in our translations we do not see. Blessings from the God of Israel and His beloved Son Jesus Christ, amen.
When jesus said the father is greater then i he was in the flesh and he made himself lesser than the angels bad explanaition
This was very dense in rhetoric and not particularly concise for an unbeliever. Seems like this video was made by Christians for Christians. Don't forget our aim is to reveal the truth to the world. Not just for those who already know.
Also not trying to just be critical.. just honest!
theology is for believers not unbelievers. you do not explain spiritual concepts to unspiritual people 1 Cor 2.14. the only thing we declare to unbelievers is that they are sinners and they are doomed and only the Spirit can make them understand this
@@hondotheology yeah cause nothing says enjoy salvation like "you're doomed to hell". That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And you do theology every time you speak with an unbeliever. Theology is literally the study of God
Completely agreed. Not meaning to belittle his explanation, and quite the opposite, appreciate and respect any good Christian service and act to spread the Gospel and salvation of Christ, as everyone has different role as parts of one body of Christ. That said, I increasingly see Christian apologists (like Christian Prince, David Wood, Bob of Speakers Corner/SOCO Films), rather than preachers, doing much better work on explanation of matters like Trinity, etc. I think that's a function/result of their (apologists/ ministry to the unbelievers and in that journey even their defending Christianity from the unbelievers polemics/attacks on the Christian faith.
Nobody understands the Trinity because it is not Biblical. That is why Trinitarians have to use their imagination and eisegesis to explain away the obvious verses. If Jesus is THE God Almighty, than what is the Father?
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one (KJV)
@@Josue.Morales20 Here we go again with the most corrupted verse to proof a 3 headed god. Everybody knows that verse is a FORGERY except YOU. All verses to promote the trinity are forgeries. All Trinitarian debaters have to admit it on stage, like Michael Brown, Sam Shamoun, Matt Slick ect ect.
So again: IF Jesus is THE Almighty God, than what is the Father?
We find the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together as equal, yet distinct Persons (Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; Luke 1:35; John 1:33-34 14:16, 26; 16:13-15; 20:21-22; Acts 2:33-38; Romans 15:16; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; 13:14; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 3:14-16; 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2).
@@kryslalwow Come on, spare us the fantasy. I guess you don't know what Almighty means?
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Can you please answer the question?
Did I understand correctly that we can pray to the Holy Spirit and thank him? I don't believe that's correct, because I don't read it in God's Word that we should pray to the Holy Spirit. Or do you know a passage in the Bible that speaks of someone praying to the Holy Spirit or that Jesus taught to pray to the Holy Spirit? I agree with you that the Holy Spirit is the power through whom we pray to Jesus...but the Holy Spirit does not serve to glorify himself, but always to glorify Jesus and God (John 16:14). So we should always thank Jesus for working in us through the Holy Spirit...but not thank the Holy Spirit for working in us. When we are guided in prayer by the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit will never thanks himself.
Please read Communion (abridged version) by John Owen because that book answers your questions SUPERBLY. 😊
Thanks, but that's not the answer to my question. I only read the Bible and believe only what is written in the Bible. If someone can't give me the answer through God's Word I don't believe it.
@@Olly-D Exactly, if you buy the book, you will see all the Bible verses quoted, oh so VERY many, to answer your questions! The thing about John Owen is, he knows Scripture like the back of his hand. He eats & breathes Scriptures. Even though I memorise & meditate on God’s Word every day, I maybe know 0.01% of what this Bible-filled Puritan theologian know.
There’s no trinity in the Bible although the bible does speaks about father son and spirit
You cannot put God in a box! Because the Father speaks from heaven does not take at all from Christ being God. The Lord is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (can be anywhere at the same time). The Holy Spirit is not a dove! It is God's same Spirit anointing the man, Christ Jesus.
That didn't make anything any clearer, at all.
Look, this is an issue for a lot of people coming to the church and getting comfortable with Christianity.
There are clear verses that appear to contradict each other. In order to make sure all bases are covered without obvious bias, you must cover all the verses that touch on who god is, who Jesus is and who the holy spirit is, what they say word for word and why someone should not take one verse literally over another, because that is what is happening.
We find the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together as equal, yet distinct Persons (Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; Luke 1:35; John 1:33-34 14:16, 26; 16:13-15; 20:21-22; Acts 2:33-38; Romans 15:16; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; 13:14; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 3:14-16; 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2).
when referring to God the Holy Spirit use UPPER CASE 'H' and 'S'. who do you think you are?
This is simply subjective , its not biblical.
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
The Trinity is mentioned in the 1st three verses of Genesis. Yep, Genesis 1: 1,2,3= Trinity
The word trinity?
I see you're wearing socks now... But he isnt ...
@Brad Conklin I was talking about socks...
Only one of us is allowed to wear socks
Say (O Muhammad)"He is Allah, (the) One. The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks. "He begets not, nor was He begotten; "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
God is one. Simple 😊
Jesus begotten, eats and drinks😅
Why you need to explained on trinity if bible claimed God is one🧐
The Trinity is a violation of the holy words
Thinking of God any other way than the trinity is just creepy to me. If Jesus is God and He is, then you have to believe in the trinity. God is omnipresent so there has to be a trinity. The Bible calls the Father God, it calls the Son God and it calls the Holy Spirit God. There isn’t three Gods. All three are one.
Heretics in the comments. Oh my
Christ did not 'take our place' on the Cross but offered Himself to the Father through the Holy Spirit. substitution theory is a protestant heresy.
Pagan Polytheism = Trinity. Get yourself educated about its origin and reality. The Greeks like Plato already had their own trinity before Christianity .
"Baptize them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." They are three divine NAMES, not three divine PERSONS! No trinity exists! Who are they?
1. the FATHER :
" so that they may behold that glory of mine, which you have given to me, for you loved me BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. 25"O righteous Father, indeed THE WORLD HAS NOT KNOWN YOU, but I HAVE KNOWN you, and these have known that you sent me."
The Father is NOT here, He was NEVER here, the world did NOT KNOW Him at all! He still is absent, indeed Jesus HAS KNOWN HIM (i.e. in the past). This is why "No man HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME." INVISIBILITY is not the real reason, the actual reason is that GOD (i.e. the Father) IS ABSENT!
2. the SON:
He is the Son, the ONLY KING of heaven...(to be continued)
3. the HOLY SPIRIT:
you see in 1. that the Father IS ABSENT. However - even if personally missing - God is able to be here IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT. This means that you have a GOD'S PRESENCE here, He is PRESENT here with his feelings, his words, his actions, but actually NOBODY IS HERE. He is the "SPIRIT OF GOD" ( "God is a spirit" Jn. 4:23,24). The "Spirit of God" is synonymous with "Holy Spirit" (see Mt. 3:16). In other words, Jesus has a "FATHER who is a SPIRIT" and calls Him sometimes "Holy Father", sometimes "Holy Spirit" according to circumstances. Thus, Jesus never says He is "with 1. the Father AND WITH 2. the Holy Spirit" because they are just TWO EQUIVALENT NAMES for the SAME ONE SPIRIT. Jesus doesn't even know what a triune God is.