Is Glaze a FAILURE or a Success?

AI Bro questions the efficacy of Glaze in protecting art as always. are hey smart enough to figure it out?
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[@MAWZ_GOD]

it's surprising yet not surprising that the guy is saying glaze failed when it's exactly what it's supposed to do which is not replicating the art style. This feels like making a spectacle out of nothing. If you're an artist like me, use these tools we deserve to have our work protected

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

Exactly, lol

[@ponczos_2293]

​@@friendlyneighborhoodartist Don't forget about the nightshade as well and that there's progress going with it. Apparently there is little to no loss of bitrate now.

[@Metal-Spark]

In my personal opinion, Glaze is a fantastic tool if you're an artist like Loish with a highly recognisable, distinctive and desirable style. But for 99% of artists, people aren't going to be imitating your style directly, they're just going to be generating their 4k anime girls using your art as a drop in the ocean that is the dataset.
This is why I think our best tool isn't Glaze, but Nightshade. I'd really like to see more people getting more creative with Nightshade by targeting specific prompts and using it on AI generated images or photographs. You could Nightshade 20 photos in the time it takes you to create 1 painting - delivering an overall stronger dose of poison for whatever prompt you're targeting.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

I still think Glaze is better than Nightshade imho, I mean both make the art unusable.

[@Metal-Spark]

@@friendlyneighborhoodartist Glaze protects your style, which is great if you're a famous artist that people will attempt to emulate. But Nightshade (if enough people used it and targeted specific prompts) can cause the degredation of entire AI systems and break their ability to generate anything useful. The secret power of Nightshade is that the poison leaks to related prompts. If you successfully poison the prompt 'hand', it will effect images generated with hands, even if that specific word wasn't used by the prompter.
I really think Nightshade is our strongest weapon if we got a bit more creative in how we empoy it. Glaze is a shield, and it does its job very well, but Nightshade is a sword.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@Metal-Spark true lol

[@naraku971]

@@friendlyneighborhoodartist Both can be undone with simple forensics.

[@naraku971]

@@Metal-Spark Actually they can't because Nightshade was trained on one kind of algorithm (Stable Diffusion's), All AI programs have different algorithms that function differently. In some aspect may function or have similar aspects, but they're still fundamentally different. The true thing that can break a generator its the programmer itself, not Nightshade.

[@velgatheobserver]

It sucks because even though it can’t truly imitate styles, it’s still violating the ‘privacy’ of artists. I feel like there’s a giant spy camera forcefully installed in my workspace and there’s nothing I can do about it.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

;-; big brother steals from us now

[@LinkNinjaMaster]

To do this properly, I assume we would need a dataset of one specific artist, have at least an unglazed and a glazed version of the dataset, preferably have variations of low, mid and high glaze intensity, then train a LoRA for each variation of the dataset while using the same tags for each training, and THEN try to generate several images with the same prompts and seeds. 99% of AI bros will not have the patience to do this 😅

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

Lol you're right, nobody has that much time XD

[@goth_ross]

I thought everyone knew AI bros dont know shit about how AI actually works. Or art. And AI wars on reddit is giant game of cope on the cookie.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@goth_ross lmao, well I saw everyone getting upset about it and no one covered it.

[@goth_ross]

@@friendlyneighborhoodartist
Sorry, that was more a rhetorical thing, not an accusatory thing..=)
All i know is, dont eat the cookies at tech events. Just, youre gonna have to trust me on that one..

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@goth_ross lolol

[@SaHaRaSquad]

Those experiments say nothing unless they compared the exact same prompts and seeds with and without the LoRa, and both times using one specific artist's name as style suggestion whose original artwork already appeared in the training dataset so the model in theory should know their style. Everything else is tech astrology.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

lol tech astrology XD

[@lolaholliday]

The takes on those subreddits are often insane tbh...

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

Oh, they are totally unhinged lol

[@KoniWrin]

It's Reddit, what else did you expect?

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@KoniWrin lol...

[@Reikoinarikyu]

I use glaze and nightshade now on heavy. It does great!

[@naraku971]

Does it though?

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

It’s the best of both worlds! lol

[@SaHaRaSquad]

I doubt that using both at once would work.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@SaHaRaSquad ben says both do work

[@KoniWrin]

You must have a really good PC 🥲 Lucky you

[@marek_tarnawski]

It looks like for the guy with cigarette the generative AI sampled around 30% from LORA training but the rest 70% is statistically average of most western comics (which looks better but still it's different style).

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

Probably, lol

[@unturned6066]

But without glaze, wouldn't it also have fixed his work? So no difference?

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@unturned6066 he did it with and without glaze and both were the same, lol. It's because he failed his experiment lol

[@AdlerTCD]

dude thinks glaze is supposed to be nightshade?

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@AdlerTCD yes lol

[@UltimatePerfection]

From the moment both Glaze and Nightshade were announced, I knew they're stopgap solution at best, because the newer AI models will just learn the glazed/nightshaded pictures along with "regular" (without any processing) and will find common features in both so the glazed/nightshaded bear and unprocessed image of a bear will be about the same to them.
Even if it still seem to be working, it's only a matter of time it won't. You cannot stop AI. You can only slow it down.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@UltimatePerfection i don't think that's exactly true, based on how it works. Glaze has been out for a while and it clearly is still working as intended. You can stop asshole, for now, from taking your work against your wishes or it will be entirely overlooked by AI as trash.

[@Husain5XG]

Well, don't know why this bot exist, it'll just die like the rest of the generic ones because it has the look of a generic bot,

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

Bot? Am I a bot 🤔

[@therealOXOC]

@@friendlyneighborhoodartist nah just retarded

[@marianasobrenome3316]

​@@friendlyneighborhoodartistI think op is calling the AI generic, like, it only makes slop by scratching the surface of databases

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@marianasobrenome3316 oh lol