Appartamento vs Breville Dual Boiler | CR Comparison
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- A heat exchanger and a double boiler walk into a coffee bar... Ok, ok. Maybe not. But we did compare the Appartamento with the Breville Dual Boiler
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I just found this site as I'm researching coffee machines - fantastic !. I love that you are so down to earth and honest. Thank you
im very new into this but have fallen deep into the rabbit hole. so purchased a sage (breville) barista touch but sending it back already. Can't even get the water through the group head/empty portafilter above 62c, tried everything and settings cranked all the way up. seems like a lot of others had the same issue. instantly look towards an upgrade on the oracle touch but its very expensive and pretty automatic. I'm thinking I will want more control as become more experienced and these two seem like a good option. leaning towards appartmento. looks quality.
Thank you for another neat comparison! I bought an Rocket A. Simply love it!
Hey Gail! I'm torn apart between the Rocket Appartamento and a Cellini PID machines, I like more control on the Cellini and the brewing pressure gauge but the Appartamento is smaller and looks much nicer and also cheaper! What can you recommend?
I bought a Rocket Apartamento based on your reviews, SCG, and I’ve been extremely happy with it for the past four years. Amazing machine and beautiful to look at. It pulls great shots. You can put the electrical plug on a timer, which is what I do, so it’s on and heated in the morning. The other bells and whistles of the Breville don’t seem necessary to me. I guess the BDB is easier for newbies but honestly the Apartamento is super easy to get good shots on quickly if you have a good grinder.
Amazing information! The wisest coffee machine reviews ever
Excellent job once again. Thanks Gail!
is it a big difference in the temperature if I have a machine with PID option some automatic machines that are meant for office & home use have the option to control the temperature but I can see that the temperature won't change much if I change the setting will the PID make a huge difference in the temperature what is the maximum temperature the coffee can reach to
Always great videos. Thank you!
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
taste test? steam power test? its easy to find the specs and features, as coffe nuts am sure u could tell us a description of flavors on a double.shot taste test. ans maybe how quick or how nice they froth milk.. just an idea.
Thank you for a nice informative video, im leaning towards the Apartamento.
Nice! We love it!
Breville has programmable preinfusion too (although not entirely convinced yet)
"stop.. stop.. stopp.. Thank you" haha i feel like that's how I feel about my Nespresso machine
When are you testing out the Vesuvius espresso machine?
very nice! how about BES980XL vs r58 ?
Help please. Is the Breville's a rotary pump? I just ask because my Saeco Minuto uses the same as more expensive Brevilles and the pumps are crap. The Rocket looks so much a better machine.
Thanks Gale for explaining what a three way solenoid does!
Great video Gail, great comparison, the tecnical, the user friendliness, etc, everything was in it 👌🏾👌🏾👍🏾
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
How about the taste of espresso between two machines ??
Awesome as usual!
Still spot on info - thanks as always !
I just got my Appartamento, it is so lovely!
Now the most important question, copper or white?
White, but i am thinking about replacing it with sth wooden in crema-color! Can you make a test about isolating the Appartamento with Armaflex or something like this? It should be an easy and useful upgrade...
LUCKY! I have been waiting for mine for a month and a half :(
may i know the time from start switch on the machine and to be ready to use
About 20 minutes
Love the look and sturdiness of the Italian Espresso machines (Rocket, Bezzera, ECM, etc) but never have been able to justify the price jump. 10 years ago I started with a Breville single boiler machine, and then graduated up to this two boiler Breville BES920XL 6 years ago and have been very satisfied since (unlike the review below). I still want an Italian E61 Grouphead SS Italian machine, so continue to save 'Lira' towards that. But very happy with my Breville and its mix of manual & automated functions! And that BIG water reservoir is very, very nice!
Great job gale!!!👍🏼
I have a question: when you say "brew time", does that include the few seconds before the coffee begins coming out of the machine, or only from the moment that coffee begins coming out into the cup? thank you!
That's actually debated but I've noticed most people lean towards counting from the minute the pump turns on. I start counting immediately when I turn on the lever to my appartamento and some of rockets machines with built in shot timers do the same. I've always had way better results with this method as it makes more sense to me
Hello
I wish to ask, how much time it takes from the moment you turn on the Rocket to start making coffee and steaming the milk ?
Ari Weiss no waiting time
Takes about 5-10 minutes for the boiler to heat up
wow, this is exactly what I wanted to see...
Gail I love your job
Great demonstration and comparison as usual. Huge price difference here in Australia.Been using the dual boiler for many years and little problems are occurring here the plastic puck has been cracks and needed replacement. ow a leak has occurred around the housing and the whole housing unit needs replacing resulting in a $300 repair. Great machine otherwise and will replace in a heartbeat to a Rocket if Dual Boiler DOA.
Thats very sad. May I know if you took a good care of the breville? I am also considering an upgrade and in a war between features vs build quality
Was just looking at the Rocket Appartamento as I am not familiar with this brand. It’s around A$2,900. I picked up the Breville BES920 about a year ago for under A$900. This is my second Breville Dual Boiler after my first one (BES900) started to leak (group head) and operate a lot less reliably after 6.5 years. Unfortunately it was deemed uneconomical to repair. I think they make good espresso and the BES920 is some improvements (e.g. ability to descale), but I’m expecting max life of 7 years.
I have the Breville Dual Boiler, I love it❤
Appartamento is my dream espresso machine. I currently have a Barista Express which does a great job but Appartamento combined with a good grinder would be next level. La Marzocco Linea Mini is too much, over the top; Appartamento would be the right one for me.
Hi Gail and other guys and gals at SCG , I wanted to know your opinion on this ( If its not so much trouble) : Which one of these two would you choose for a small coffee ( 4 tables - 20-25 chairs ) in a city that people are not really familiarized with coffee yet ? Tbh the reason I am going with these kinds of home machines instead of more commercial ones is one budget and that I am spending a bit on 3rd waves anyway which one would you suggest ?
The Breville is a HOME/consumer machine. Not meant for commercial usage. HX machines must be flushed prior to every shot, and temperature stability is not nearly that of a commercially built double boiler. You need to consider a Commercial machine. SCG prolly has a 1/2 dozen that would work for you.
Definitely Rocket
Hello, can you help me decide which espresso machine I should get for my business please?
I just opened an ice cream parlor a few months ago, I'm planning to begin offering coffees latte and cappuccinos, ONLY for the winter time, I was looking into The Barista express and the Especialista De'liango dual boiler, I heard its a big differnce on the quality of the espresso,
my budget its $1,000 .
Thank you I hope I can heard from you soon
Carolina
Hi Carolina not sure if you got one already but the dual boiler from this video would work just fine I would say. Mine is excellent and keeps up with making many at once.
What are the copper-colored or white-colored "circles" on the side of the Rocket Appartamento made of?
Both are panel inserts behind the circle cut outs- the copper panels are metal and the white panels are plastic.
Thanks! What kind of metal are the copper panels made of?
in one video I am not sure if it was your channel or another channel the person said on some machines that are using traditional steaming you can unscrew the steaming wand and replace it with a better one then you can get better and stronger steam I think the video was talking about a novasimonelli machine can you tell me if this possible or not
You can replace the steaming tips from the Rocket! Typically that is the modification :D
+Seattle Coffee Gear some machines have low steaming power so the milk will take more time to foam so if I change the steaming wand is this going to affect the way I steam the milk I think the steam will give almost the same result
Can you make coffee with this as well?
What? Which machine make a better espresso?
Great job as usual
i have the breville Dual boiler and so far so good
How is it doing now?
I’m curious too.
I have mine since March of 2018. No issues thus far. Paid $1200 from Amazon.
I've had mine about 2 years - 2,500 or so coffees so far out of it. Works great, even in high volume situations.
Only thing to improve is the steam pressure, as shown in this video it's quite a bit weaker than some other home machines, not a huge problem though, can leave it do to milk and do more shots while it's happening
@@tomr6955 I've had the Breville Dual Boiler BES900 for 9 years although it was in storage for about three years. It failed after about three months of use, Breville Australia said they would replace it if we returned to Oz, but that never happened. Been to a Sage dealer in the UK twice as it's the same machine basically. I have just replaced the Steam boiler valve myself and the group head seal, now the LED display has gone and it is leaking steam internally. Sage dealers would service it as it's a Breville from Australia. So I would say overall it makes good coffee and have been using the manual setting for a while now, but it has simply been one fault after another. Not sure I could say it has been a good purchase, so I now have a dead machine and looking for a replacement - considering the Rocket just doing my research for a replacement.
The downside of a dual boiler is that the water from the water dispenser comes from the steam boiler , it has a “mineral” taste which makes it impossible to use for Americanos.... is it the same thing with a HX machine like the appartamento?
A little late to comment, but was the steam temp cranked up to the max (185°F) on the Breville to show the "strength" of the steam? Crazy strong steam when all the way up. For small pitchers it is really nice to adjust the steam temp on the Breville as you can create great texture much more easily. Rocket looks great on the counter and is a showpiece whereas Breville is a pragmatist's coffee machine. I've had one for 6+ years and the thing that really matters to me is great coffee. The Breville delivers. Would recommend to anyone who wants a solid machine that focuses on great product and not overly concerned about aesthetics.
really good review
really wish they did a taste test at the ends of these
I had my BES920XL since March of 2018. Don't have any issues. I love the auto startup/shutdown. Very easy to use. The best part, its about $600 less than the appartamento. Taste will depend greatly on how fresh are your beans before you grind them and how well you maintain your machine. I even make my own milk and the steam frother is fantastic.
Enjoyed your video
Are the sides of the Appartamento magnetic?
The frame is, but the case is not.
how easy would it be to insulate the boiler on the rocket?
Not a ton of room inside, but you might be able to do so!
what is purpose of insulating the boiler? thanks! (just curious)
is there any difference between double boiler and heat exchanger or is it just different wording another way of saying double boiler
A double boiler is just that, two boilers. One dedicated for brew and one dedicated for steam. A heat exchanger has one large boiler for steam, and a tube that runs through the boiler. When you brew on a heat exchanger, fresh water is pulled through the tube (which is calibrated to heat the water to the specific temp in the time it takes to go through the tube). This is why you should flush on a HX, as water that is sitting in the tube will be too hot to brew with!
+Seattle Coffee Gear so is a machine with it double boiler much better than a machine with heat xchanger
Just different. Some swear by a dual boiler, some swear by a heat exchanger. It really comes down to how you will be using the machine.
@@SeattleCoffeeGear how should one use a HX and how should one use a dB ?
If I make maximum 4-5 milk based drinks a good day, would the HX struggle?
How do I know whichever is best?
I managed to find a dual boiler for 600 from someone who hardly used it. Excellent find and cant beat. Though knowing Breville, once it kicks the bucket im going for the Rocket! Perfect match for my Faustino grinder
I'll try:
Local shop sold their exhibit dual boiler for $300.
Thanks
I'm drooling over that Rocket. I occasionally see an open box 920XL for sub $1K. It's always extremely tempting, but as the owner of an older gen Breville I know I'd regret it. The DIY repairs, wear, and leaks have put me off. Do you ever have refurb Rocket models available? Is there a call list I can get on? I just can't afford a brand new Rocket at the moment, but I'm fine with dings/scratches. Please reply!
FWIW, my understanding is that Breville, fixed the some of the issues/problems that the older 920XL has. I'm looking to upgrade from my Silvia to a 920XL soon. Love the look of the Rocket, but having a dual boiler and PID is a hard requirement.
Keep the Silvia. You'll probably go back to it... My Breville melts it's logic board's solder joints under normal standby temperature. I keep it unplugged when not in use to prolong the inevitable... I don't mind DIY fixing, but I get annoyed with repeat failures. When Gail says "This machine will last you YEARS" in reference to the Rocket, I melt like my Breville's logic board!!!
+Ian Landesman when did you bought it? You got the version 1.0 i guess
+Kr0pD I have one of their older machines. I could be wrong, but even the reviews for the newer models say the quality is not up to par with the design.
You cannot compare them at all. PID is no "hard requirement", the Rocket-machines are awesome in keeping the right temperature. The real difference between both machines: Breville lives 4 years, Rocket 30 years. Breville loses half its value after 2 years, the Rocket maybe 15% and stays there for years.
Great review ! Hi Gail, if you had to choose between both which one would it be. Happy expresso from Montreal city :)
In another video, she has the Apartamento in her home, so I think that answers that.
What size is the portafilter on the breville?
58mm
I have the Breville Dual Boiler (called Sage in England). No complains, I love it, love experimenting with different beans. Allows the opportunity to keep searching for perfection, right now Italian expresso fresh roast still the hardest to beat. Want to try Java (because of the Ink Spots song!).
maxwellfan55 java is best
hit me with that "expresso" :P
How’s it going with the Breville after two years.
Hi how's it going with the Breville dual boiler now? Did you upgrade? Thanks!
Double boiler with PID is the absolute best in temperature control
How does a heat exchanger work?
At the basic level, there is a large boiler that heats to steam temperature. This boiler has a pipe that runs through the center. When brewing, cool water is pulled through the pipe and is quickly heated to brew temperature. The amount of time the water spends in the "boiler pipe" is directly related to how much heat is transferred!
i asked it, i got it. well done!
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
Ruslan Temniuk o
it would be nice if you gave pricing info in these reviews
Click on the product links in the description box. They will take you directly to the product page(s) on the Seattle Coffee Gear website.
Dual Boiler 1200 $
Appartamento 2200 $
I LOVE the looks of the Appartamento
We do too :D
Me too but Malaysia doesn't carry this brand
@@sumleestudio6320 pppcoffee but not this model I guess.
2 months ago i bought the Breville Barista Express after hours and hours of watching this, that and the other machine videos. (bought a smart toaster from breville 15 yrs ago, and it still works like a boss) ... at these levels, $599CND for the Express and $1399CND for the dual boiler ... unless you've had a bad experience w Breville, and certainly as a 1st timer, i can't imagine spending any more money unless you literally have it to burn... once the Express is dialed in with a quality roast, the steaming is the only thing i'd consider upgrading ... and maybe the 58mm portafilter...for a novelty, but for taste, the shots i pull on the express seem identical to the well-equipped cafe i normally go to..
Breville dual boiler is what I would consider the top end for pure consumer machine. Any of these E61 Italian machines are purely in the hobbyist range where it’s more for the fun of it. For myself I also got a dual boiler and it meets my need of making a cafe-grade coffee quickly for me and my family.
Loving the videos. Had a Breville Dual Boiler for about 3 years before things started to go wrong with it. Pulled my old Silvia back out of storage but it's hard to go back to the old temp surfing of the Silvia and waiting for warm up and cool down when making multiple drinks. Now looking at upgrading to the Apartmento or going for broke and getting a Giotto.
While the Breville was great while it was working, they aren't built to last sadly. It's hard not to cut corners when giving a dual boiler at the price point the Breville comes in at. It's a shame as the old thermoblock Breville I had years ago seemed indestructible.
Thank you for your quick over view. I've heard that it's really good for the money. I do prefer something that lasts however. I'm considering an HX machine maybe the Profitec Pro 500. Or the 300 is also another budget dual boiler but I hear it gets great longevity.
@@LumiLunar I ended up going for broke and bought an Izzo Alex Duetto ... dual boiler and should last many, many years.
Oh my... l just saw the price for the Izzo Alex. I almost fell off my chair.
same price category???? in australia, the rocket is 2x proce of the dual boiler
They are US$1700 (BDB) and $1750 right now at Seattle Coffee Gear, the ones doing this video. Although it seems the Rocket Apartamento is often $1950-2000 in the US.
Breville any day of the week. I like the Rocket but they aren’t without mechanical problems either
I had my BES920XL since March of 2018. Don't have any issues. I love the auto startup/shutdown. Very easy to use. The best part, its about $600 less than the appartamento. The taste will depend greatly on how fresh are your beans before you grind them and how well you maintain your machine. I even make my own milk and the steam frother is fantastic. If you buy yours from Amazon, they offer two year extended warranty for $38.
OMG, she reminds me of Sue Aikens from Life Below Zero. They could be sisters!
Now, how long do they take to heat up from off to on?
Heard it's about 5-10 minutes for BES920 but I don't own one to confirm.
The Rocket Apartamento needs about 30 mins where I live for the group head to be full heated. You can speed it up a bit by pouring hot water on it. I put it on a timer where the plug goes into the electrical socket so it turns on in the morning before I need it.
Appartamento great for a pop up shop💯💪🏽
I think if you increase the steam boiler Tempruture on the breville by using the advance options you will have much more steam and more power as well
Breville isd a piece of shit though
Noom...you own one and can speak from experience? Please describe what's gone wrong. Thanks.
Wow thank you so much I would love mine to have higher pressure. I'll be sure to try that
Im really really confused between them, idk what to choose, if any one has experience with any of them please help me
now I think I would choose the breville just for the sake of its convenience, I don't want to wake up in the morning and start counter every time i make an espresso, I want to programm it once and then just press a button and enjoy.
@@co0ol90boy but have you considered longevity? Man I have the same thoughts...so hard to choose
I've never seen a good looking E61 machine...they all just look the same, chrome block with no change. Imagine thinking a chrome block is a good idea with water and steam....what were they thinking?
“Stop... STOP....... Thank you :)”
The Breville's HEATED GROUP is a MAJOR advantage as to temperature stability..a feature that should be mentioned over accessory storage, maybe? I don't own either, so I'm just saying.
What is your preferance Gale
Hi Antonio! As Gail mentions, each machine has its benefits. The dual boiler has a handful of additional features that the Appartamento lacks. However, the Appartamento is built with a stainless steel casing and showcases more traditional espresso machine features. When properly kept it will last you for many, many years!
Breville? huh? Let's compare Rocket to something good like a ECM or Lelit.
Rocket is better designed. It can remove the water container even if the machine is against the wall!
You can fill the Breville from the top..
@@tomr6955 it means you have to fill another container at the sink then pour into it. 1 extra step. And if you want to wash the container...
Ferarri (rocket) vs Toyota (breville)
so the rocket needs tons of maintenance and can only be repaired by certified professionals?
There's an argument in favor of both, really.
not really an accurate metaphor, rocket is much more durable than breville. check out the review of breville on "product review", many consumers complaint about the poor quality of breville, saying it's good when it works. it's understandable, because breville is all whistle and bells, too much tricks make it fragile.
Not Toyota, Kia
For timer in the Appartamento you'll need to spend another 1000euros.
Saeco Vienna Plus
Can I make tea with it?
Hi ali! Both machine's have a hot water spout so you can definitely enjoy tea!
Team White-Cutouts!
You are a brave one ;D
Nope!!
Bronze all the way, mine arrived a few days ago. I love it.😁
Only thing that is useless in this review is the use of ounces.I grew up with pounds and ounces from the English Imperial system then we chained to the metric system which for people who have a decimal number of digits makes complete sense.Most tanks are filled by reference to volume. I understand gallons and quarts and even that the English and American gallon is different but cannot understand why that system is still used.16 ounces in a pound 14 pound in a stone completely irrelevant when most people count with ten fingers from birth.I think along with Myanmar Liberia there aren’t many countries Except American that stick with ounces when talking about volumes.
Machine vs appliance
Superb, concise summation.
Don't be a snob.
Which one is machine and an appliance?
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I don't want to sound rude but I think it's incorrect to call Rocket Appartamento a lever machine
What would you call it?
Semi-automatic perhaps? It doesn't really seem like an issue, but I'm guessing a lever machine brings to mind full manual machines like a traditional La Pavoni.
+Daniel Davis yes! exactly!
Fair enough. Gail is referring the lever used to control the machine (opposed to a button) but could see how it might be confusing :D
+Seattle Coffee Gear Of course! love the videos; keep em coming!
Stay away from SCG--My Appartamento failed after 6 months while under warranty, I had to pay to return it for repair and when I got it back after 5 weeks it had the very same problem---boiler would not heat. SCG refused to exchange or credit, demanded that I again return machine for repair, this after multiple unreturned calls. Unfortunately with SCG the experience is like interacting with your local car or real estate salespeople--- its only about the transaction and never about the service. Buy your machine locally or from another online vendor and avoid my frustration. As far as the Rocket---it was great, when it worked.
Thanks for the heads up.... Gonna check out Whole Latte Love, they have a great TH-cam channel as well.
@@martinkulik9466 I have no connection with SCG, nor have I ever purchased from them. That said, I think your comment is a bit unfair. Yes, SCG is a bit "homespun", but many folks feel comfortable with the more consumer oriented approach.
breville looks cheap
Of course :-) , it is about 1000 $ cheaper than Appartamento .
@@ryanray6215 actually only 200 lol
@@Aldocello1 it is 2500 vs 900
Dual Boiler 1200 $
Appartamento 2200 $
Please don't compare like that , with such a huge price difference .
Appartamento is $1700 brotha
@@Sir_Ock Please let me know where can I buy it for this price .
Agreed. We got our Breville dual boiler for $1100AUD and it included a reallly good grinder. We are super happy with it all, doesn't miss a beat.
@@Sir_Ock Canadian Dollars
The Breville is butt ugly compared to the sexy Apartamento.