WHY has the F-35 received so much Negative Attention? Real Fighter Pilot Explains
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- A video on why the F-35 has had so much negative press by Fighter Pilot Hasard Lee.
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When the F-4 was initially released, it was criticized for being overweight, too big etc.
When the F-14 was introduced, it was too heavy and too underpowered.
The F15? Engines didn't meet initial performance targets and there was a huge scandal when those engine performance targets were relaxed in a slightly dodgy way. Big initial issues with radar and overall reliability.
And every single one of these went obscenely over budget during development.
All of the above planes went on to become worldbeaters. It's just the nature of the industry: to win a contract you have to overpromise on capability and be too optimistic on timelines and costs. Then you have to manage the fallout when everything falls apart. But in the end, you end up with amazing planes. It just takes longer and costs more.
They also bitched about the F-16, even the A-10 was bitched about. Some people will NEVER be happy, and cannot look at things critically. Now the F-16 is wonderful, and the A-10 has near godlike status. Every plane goes through this cycle it seems.
@@glee21012 sooo true… and ask the ground troops and pilots who came back alive because of the A10
Even the F-22 was called an inferior dogfighter by the peanut gallery until its abilities were declassified.
Best example is the A-10
The American way lol
So glad to have a real pilot talk about the F-35.
Indeed I love this guy... you tube is full of losers and this guys is a real badass and humble too. God bless you brother. Much love from Taiwan 🇹🇼
Indeed I love this guy... you tube is full of losers and this guys is a real badass and humble too. God bless you brother. I wish I could have met you in real life. Much love from Taiwan 🇹🇼
lol yeah like he is going to speak ill of that machine he uses, pff
@@zaqwsxcde54321 ??????
most critics of the F-35 have never even flown a plane before, they're just people who think they know what they're talking about. The F-35 is an absolutely magnificent fighter.
Not to mention- why would a pilot not speak poorly about something they fly? As a pilot myself, we complain a lot about airplanes. Pilots in the service complain about their aircraft all the time. Take the B-52, the B-52 is called the BUFF: Big Ugly Fat F@cker.
@@agoodchristianpilot159 Fighter aircraft are so finite that they are basically the physical manifestation of the aerodynamic equations used to design them! Then factor in stealth characteristics, electronics, weapon systems and everything else that's classified in fifth generation aircraft, and where the public can only compare them against what they think they know about 4th generation, their going to get something wrong !
Remember the F/A-18 received a lot of criticism too !
History repeating itself. I remember there were similar problems , and negative press with the F111, however once the bugs were sorted out it gave 40+years sterling service to the USAF & the Australian air force.
The F-111 was an over-promised dog designed to make the Brits and the Canadians kill their competing programs which would have been better. It was a great success at that, not so much as a fighting machine as it was so expensive to maintain.
Brilliant, balanced, informative and unclassified! :-) Great to have a real pilot talk about it. A much-needed video. All the best, Rob in Switzerland.
Rob, you are probably a member of this Swiss military industrial complex pimped to American weaponry, with total absence of political view, as we are living in Europe with countries that have also developed excellent fighters, as you know. Recent US attitudes have convinced me that we cannot trust this country anymore and I am also certain that the US can press a simple button that will keep the entire F35 fleet down, the day they decide it.
And do not tell me this is conspiracy theory, I will answer you that you are juste too naïve.
Regards from Switzerland too. JM
As a Navy vet. and crew member on the Enterprise, I miss the F-14 Tomcat. Good luck with flying the F-35!
In Australia we miss the f111c,g
The Tomcat was even famous in RSA among the kids back in the 1990s, I wad in grad 1 and me and my friends we all inow that the US have the F14 and it was the best of all
I'm a Navy vet. myself and I was an Aviation Structural Mechanic and I worked on H-3 Sea Kings. I read about the F-35 and talked to guys who worked at Lockheed/Martin, on the F-35 line, they all said that the F-35 is a piece of junk. The Navy and the Marines should have kept the F-14 as the main fighter interceptor in the carrier fleets and main use the F/A- 18 as the main attack aircraft. You can thank the Air Force for forcing the Navy and the Marines to buy the F-35.
@@robertboyes2505 I don't buy this story at all. No LM line employee thinks JSF are pieces of junk.
USAF forced the USMC and UK to start collaboration on Supersonic STOVL Fighter in 1983?
JSF is the result of JAST, which is a result of 6 different fighter replacement programs for:
AV-8B
UK Harriers in RAF & RN
USMC and USN F/A-18s
USAF F-16s
USAF A-10s
USAF F-117As
To fund a 1-for-1 replacement for each of those would have been way too costly, so they found a way to do it with 3 different JSF variants.
Clifton, I am desperately fearful that our brilliant young men,whom fly the F35 will need every shred of the good luck you have wished them.
I remember when the F35 first came out and it had the HUD, you could see through the floor of the aircraft by looking down. Some pilot said it was useless, he would just roll the plane to view with his own eyes. What he did not know is that would alter the RCS of the F35 on radar. Lots of uneducated comments
I'm still learning about these sorts of things, so could you possibly explain to me what altering the RCS does?
Edit: nevermind lol, just watched a video on the b-2
Are you talking about the HMCS? Because fourth gen has those too haha
@@annastodola4089 The F-35 helmet HUD can actually look through the aircraft, because it's networked to an array of cameras mounted on the aircraft. So you can actually look through the floor at something below you. Fourth gen aircraft with helmet mounted HUDs can't do that.
@@thatoneguy226
RCS means "radar cross section". It has to do with how well a radar can detect the airplane. If you change the attitude of an aircraft, the RCS will usually change, and it may make a previously undetected airplane show up on the radar screen really well. I used to operate a radar used to train pilots on evading and countering "ground threats" which are anti aircraft guns and missiles. It was a fun job.
@Marshmallow man What about conservatives who would like for the money they do have to give to the government to go to programs that actually benefit them and the country? Disliking the exorbitant military budget does not mean you're a hippy.
I loved the F16 the minute I saw it for the very first time, and now I feel the same way about the F35. The aircraft is beautiful beyond belief and the best part of it is that it's shared among the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corp. In the early 1970's we had at least 10 different aircraft on board the Independence. It was insane. We had to carry spare parts for all these different aircraft. So much better now with the F35s. Absolutely love this aircraft!
@Tommy Aung - TA Harriers crashed too .
@Tommy Aung - TA omg did you not watch the video or read the replies
@Tommy Aung - TA half of the tomcat fleet also crashed, one crashing isn't the biggest surprise
I've grown to adore the F-35 too, and am considering joining the AF to see if I could eventually fly it! :D
@Eternal Peace When I was a little kid the first vivid memory I've had of seeing a fighter jet is the F-22 Raptor, and that's why I've always enjoyed that plane despite the crap it got at first. And now I adore the F-35 for the same reasons. I'm considering joining the AF, and maybe I'd try and become a pilot for one! :D
This is one of the best talks I’ve heard about new technologies not just applicable to the F35 but to any new paradigm shift.
Very optimistic of you, Hazard, to assume that I'm sitting in an office in front of a computer and not in the bathroom for the last 15 minutes. 🤙
Robert Pfau-Robles Yeah I've been in the bathroom for the last 2 hrs. watching Brazilian waxing in YT since pornhub was banned in my country.
@@antonioguamil3275 oh for real? Where do you live?
Daniel Do Philippines
Optimistic? I’d say that’s pessimistic! 😁
@@antonioguamil3275 Damn, that sucks. Any good Brazilian waxing vids on YT? lol
Good news is boring!
That's why all news is doom and gloom.
Most enjoy having something to be upset about.
You hit the nail on the head!
Good news doesn't make the money.
Love the '23 in your profile pic. 👌😎 would have loved for that project to have been a success.
@@dustinmccrindle343 He doesn't address any real problems with the aircraft and likely was only his perspective of the F-35 A which is still doubtful that it can out preform the F-16 being so heavy.
@@saquist Outperform the Viper in air to air dogfight? You could be correct. The key is to kill the Viper, or anything out there, at a distance. Think of a sniper; you could have the best trained Special Ops soldier in the world.......but if you have a well trained sniper, with a great sniper rifle, that Special Ops guy can run all he wants......he’s just going to die tired. But the basic element of air to air dogfight cannot be compromised as Boyd said, the basis of the design of the Viper.
@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Yes Stealth, Sensor Fusion and BVR combat is absolutely dominating. The F35 is a good Sniper but any sniper can be killed up close and if you know where to look.
@@saquist
That’s the thing though
You’re not supposed to know where a sniper is until they start shooting
There's a reason why the F-16 was initially nicknamed the "lawn dart"
Because it looks like a dart
@@theboothy91 It started off with over 672 Class A mishaps/100k flight hours, many of which involved them burning in and lots of fatalities. With an internal USAF relationship with General Dynamics and Pratt & Whitney, as well as GE and a lawsuit by one of the widows, they dropped the Class A mishap rates down to 3.4/100k hrs, making it the safest single engine fighter in USAF history, until the F-35A showed up.
@@LRRPFco52 ok? Idk why you told me all that but thanks I guess
@@theboothy91 wow that's a childish reply.
@@h.cedric8157 how? I said thank you..
Great to hear from a person who actually flew the F35... appreciate it!
Probably hasnt seen the video how a little Robin prevented an RAF F-35 from flying..the mighty F-35 was grounded by a Bird..So funny..
@Tommy Aung - TA The Pilot was successfully ejected but there is a massive race to find the aircraft by The UK, US and Nato forces before Russians find it. If an Aircraft crashes into the sea it belongs anyone who finds it first thats actually in the international law.
They are now making cheap excuses to cover up saying The rain cover wasn't removed and it was sucked into the engine.
Its a Lockheed aircraft ..there will be many of these crashing..
@Tommy Aung - TA Its crashed not in the UK waters but international waters..If you find a ship wreck in the middle of an ocean what you find in it its yours..
The Race is on solely to do with The Critical Technology equipment in the aircraft. Dont know if you are aware but Nato has its own Military Standards and Codes. They communicate within the Nato codes and very secret private communication tunnels. Those codes are unknown to Russians and the same thing also applies to Russian military equipment. S-400 Defence systems for instance can not be used by a Nato country because all Nato approved aircrafts will be detected as the Enemy which can trigger the Defence system automatically.
I was a U.S. Army tanker , We had the same kind of thing then the NEW M1 tank came out . Everyone was yelling how bad it was . But Look at a M1 tank now .
Yemenis taking them out like it ain’t nun 😂
@@axelmagana405 that one is on Saudis and their tactics not the tank.
@@axelmagana405 There is a reason why the Marines just got rid of their tanks...ALL of them...
Oh, the Brits are also looking at getting rid of all their tanks also...
I was a Marine FO and had one of the amazing...ly bad M16A1's and were firing 105's built during the Korean war. Always wanted to thank you guys for that. I hate that platform... The former, not the latter. Oh, and when I was in we were still using your M48 hand me downs...while you were into your third gen M60's. The only time we had new equipment was when we collected yours while wandering down to the coast in in South Korea... You all apparently asked for it back and didn't get it... Jus kidding. A certain regiment of yours lost almost 10,000 men with only 385 still considered "able" buying us time to wander...
I talked to a Marine Corps F-35 pilot at our last air show here and he pretty much mirrored what you said.
Thank for your service young man. As a Air Force Veteran myself glad to see people like you serving this great nation. Thank for taking the time to make and post this video. I myself am currently working for a subcontractor of Lockheed Martin as aerospace machinist. I’m proud to say that I get to make aircraft parts for the F35 and other aircraft such as the C130/AC130. Glad to hear that most of “bugs” that the F35 has had in the past have been ironed out. Good luck and God bless you and your family. God bless America.👍🏼👌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏.
Thanks for your service and sharing your insights on the F-35 program.
You are thanking a person killing people on the ground with a 500 pound bomb. Yeah a real hero.
Spot on. From an old pilot (52 years and still flying), your testimony serves your Nation well:-)
Nice head fruit, still flying at your age, am impressed
There's more to such issues than just a pilot's perspective.
@@ohauss he knows, however the F-35 has unnecessary poor press, it's a good plane, but like ANYTHING new, it has bugs
@@osmacar5331 it's not a new plane, it's been 15 years already.
@@Citadin uh.... Huh, so you know everything do you?
Finally, someone with undeniable experience making sense of all the garbage out there. Well done.
No hes full of shit at an epic level its beyond pathetic and a disgrace vs the USAF when I left..
If you want real info from someone with far higher clearance than this authorized LHM mouthpiece trying to convince people that the absolute turd aka f35 isn't the unmitigated disaster it is
well start by reading this report and the author had full top level clearance unlike
Lee;; and while this report is a few yrs old now the fact is while they since managed to solve a few problems they have discovered a shit ton more and a huge % of those are UNFIXABLE according to both the USAF and LHM
PDF report file can be dl via this link
www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cafb27be-b52e-4614-aa64-f2782942aeca&subId=407837
Any nation thinking of buying the 35 is beyond dumb.. for a multitude of reasons and even if they somehow managed by some miracle thats never going to happen.. actually fix most of the issues the fact remains that for ANYONE but the US you do NOT control the 35 period.. the keys to let it even turn on are NEVER given to anyone beyond LHM and the US Gov.
the 35 they also keep desperately trying to push as stealth yet iter not even close to the F22 in that regard and the 22 was worse than the YF23! The 35 is a massive commercial airliner vs the YF23... and thats ung front aspect only for the 35.. its ONLY aspect that really qualfies (funny how thats not n the brochure eh..)
as for the 22.. it is undoubtedly good and the last good thing from LHM (and it was picked over the 23 due to politics not because it was better) and the vaunted 22 has lost vs the EFT, Rafale, and others. even ,y all time fav to strap in helil old F5 has won vs the 22!
underestimated
@@kindanyume
You must be a god tier engineer
"Experience" at what?
There's far more to the issue than just a pilot's experience.
But I fully understand you believe the state is subservient to the military and not vice versa. The US is becoming the modern world's Prussia, of which Voltaire said “Where some states have an army, the Prussian Army has a state.”
Which is ironic, given that it was a Prussian General and military theorist who pointed out that the military was an instrument of politics and the goal of war the achievement of political goals.
@@ohauss what the heck are you talking about? This is about Aviation. Wow 😯. You’re a nutcase 🥴🥴🥴
@@LA-ep2nr hes referring to the inter mixing of the MIC and gov as more than merely a passing myth / theory and siting historical aspects of such
it impacts aviation directly in that this is about military aviation primarily which in turn is of course a big part of the MIC
This is a great, well reasoned and explained synopsis. I enjoy your videos Hasard. Thanks!
Thanks for the rare insight dude! Appreciative!
My friend is a retired F-15 pilot and he knows a couple RAF Harrier pilots that hated the F-35 and did not want to intergrade into it, until they got in the simulators. He said, they could not believe how good it was.
all simulators are good at $44.000 an hour that is all they will fly
Bruh no shit it’s a simulator
they re good combacting 3rd world countries with no air resistance or defence , hope they come across s300 and s400 misssiles
Ibk Aki you're ignorant
@@graybonesau explain your self ,if that's what you think
F16 has to be one of the most beautiful jets ever designed.
I agree. It's very sexy. Now everything coming out in the next 20 years will all be a variant of the 22, 23, 35... same look. It's kind of meh...
Nope, SU-27 is
@@yourhighness865 The 27 is up there :)
F14
@@rustusandroid The SU-57 looks pretty sweet as well imo, and is relatively unique as well
Thanks for a no frills, no BS presentation on the adopt curve and issues for this platform. My brother flew F4s back in the day (USAFA ‘83). Before watching your presentation, my impression was the military planners were trying to make a single platform do too many things - perform too many diverse missions, which hampered and degraded its capabilities. Thanks for your service and thanks for taking the time and effort to share your perspective. 👍🏿🙏🏾
the French did it : Dassault Rafale is the most Multi-role versatile combat aircraft and not too much expansive. The french arm de l'air used it effectively on several operation theaters.
By comparison the F-35 is just bombs carrying truck when he is not kept on the ground.
A beautiful, fine looking aircraft is always a good aircraft. The ugly, fat F-35 ...when he is able to fly ...
@@jean-paulchagnon4600 The F-35 would dominate over the Rafale in basically any contest except entirely WVR gunfighting.
(And it has demonstrated this many times in exercises)
It's also better looking.
thanks for bringing this out... I was wondering when they were going to abandon the F-35... good to hear from a pilot!
That F-35 model behind him looks fantastic!
They are F16 pictures behind him
@@nuknuk331 yes but we're talking about the _model_ ,which is an F-35
I was checking that out as well, shame we don't get a better look at it.
Best explanation I've heard on the development and and reputation of the F-16 vs the F-35 from a guy who knows both aircraft from the seat. Job well done and thank you.
I've learned a lot from watching your videos. Very good to listen to someone who knows, thanks for posting them.
This was awesome. So succinct. Thank you for your energy given to this explanation.
Make the enemy think you're weak when you're strong.
What enemy? Goatherders armed with home made fireworks and old Soviet-made junk?
@@abc64pan Oh this?
You swallowedthis shit, my god!
This is the real answer. The US government doesn't care if its citizens think the F-35 is trash so long as the enemies think the same thing.
@@jaysav2248 LOL
I was an F-4C crewchief at Luke in the early 80's. In 82/83 we transferred them to the Guard and got F-16's. We were still doing TCTO's on the F-4 even as we were getting rid of them and they were built in 63/64 contract years. I spent the next 17 years on F-16's and we were constantly doing TCTO's on them and from what I read, we are still doing them. In fact, we recently lost a pilot at Shaw because his last line of defense (ejection seat) failed him because it was awaiting a part. Luke used to have F-15's and the Arizona Republic wrote some scathing editorials regarding the amount of maintenance they required to fly a single sortie. We used to laugh at that shit because civilians simply did not understand the concept of man-hours. Anyway, life in the fighter world is one of constant improvement. If you look at it as an Indy Car and not as a sedan, it might help many to understand it a little better. i have a good friend who , after retirement, went to work for Lockheed and was in on the ground floor of the F-35 and i have never heard him say a bad thing about the jet.
I saw Juan's video on that fatal F-16 crash. That's just tragic. We're not fighting WW3 here, that plane shouldn't have been in the air. On a side note, I knew a guy who was a crew chief on F-86's in Korea. He said it was a beautiful plane, but horrible to work on. That you had to cut it open to work on almost anything, there were no access panels. Like you say, it was built for just one thing, air combat, not being repairable. Not a sedan.
I work on an A-10C that's over 40 years old, and we're still doing TCTOs, upgrades never stop as long as we're still flying them!
A-10 Chief Vet checking in. That seat failure on the Shaw accident really tore me up.... the ACESII has a great record
@Otto_Maddox F-16 mishap rates are tame compared to the Harrier and Hornet. Harrier and Hornet EACH had 100 total losses and 20 fatalities within their first 10 years of service (several of the Harrier fatalities/losses were in the Falklands, some being "just went off the radar and lost at sea"). I’ve counted them all up before and was surprised because I never heard about them, even as an astute student and front row seat-holder at the AFFTC in the 1970s and 1980s. While AV-8 and F/A-18 weren’t USAF programs, I was always reading everything available on sister service jets as well. Viper ended up having a very low total loss rate, especial for a single engine fighter with relaxed stability.
Go look at F-100, F-102, F-105, and F-14 total losses/mishaps as well. The Navy really doubled-down on getting a jet that would handle well and run the glideslope nicely after decades of mishaps with fast jets and carriers when working on the Hornet navalization, and it still has a high loss rate/fatality rate. I was also surprised at the FMC and MC rates for the Baby and Super Hornets. As people gained more access to information, USN stopped publishing SH loss rates and FMC/MC rates.
F-22 and JSF series are phenomenal when it comes to mishap rates. Same with the Rafale.
Now look at the Gripen or any of the Sukhois. Gripen has had 8 total losses out of 271 birds produced, many from stalls because it’s so underpowered. Going over the top in low altitude has resulted in several DFLCS overrides that prevented the pilots from saving them. Another Gripen had the pilot’s G-suit incrementally tug on the ejection seat handle until it activated the sequence, which is an embarrassing oversight in systems trouble-shooting.
That pilot shouldn’t have been in the air- the risk assessment was inaccurate. Even if the part had come in, it would’ve been a Class A mishap for destruction of aircraft, so putting it entirely on that one part is really misleading.
I'm in awe of how helpful this is.
I enjoyed the in-depth information on the aircrafts speed, handling, fuel consumption and low maintenance cost. Oh wait, none of that was mentioned.
Never thought about F-35 in these terms! Thank you for sharing, very informative
Spent 10 years on the jet. LRIP 7 was when we finally turned the corner. We've come a long way from AA-1. Great take.
Finally turning into what we hoped it would
10 years??
@@684W13 Yeah, did you think it took 6 months to develop military aircraft or what?
Thanks for a view from the cockpit. And thank you for your service.
Thank you for your point of view being an experienced F35 pilot. Good to hear what you think.
Hello!!! Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱🇺🇸
First time I saw your channel yesterday!!! And, until now(24 hrs) i saw maybe 10 your videos, nad i'm impressed. For The First Time I was able to watch and listen to the explanations of a professional military pilot about the F-35 that flies on this plane. Thank you very much. Poland has purchased the F-35 and our pilots are already trained in the USA and in two years the first F-35s in the colors of the Polish Air Force will appear in Poland. It's great that I could hear a few words from you about it, because the media in Poland also spoke differently about this plane, they also said that it was money thrown away, but I try to get info from professionals and not from Facebook:)). Thank you so much and sit down to watch your movies.
I was one to kick the -35 too initially. I had and have to remember the legendary F-14 had a rough start also, great informative video Sir🇺🇸
There is no comparison. 17 years of development isn't just a rough start it's a systemic and monumental level of organizational failure. Hasard doesn't give us any real information because he can't. Its likely classified. What's the true max speed, the real, stealth RCS, what's the maximum AOA turn rate at what speed and how quickly can the plane recover from stall? What performance characteristics does it have between fully fueled and 50% full? What specific F35s did you test and what problems did you have? Why hasn't the Limitations on the F35 B & C been structurally addressed and the recognition these Limitations endanger pilots survival in combat.
@@saquist I totally agree with all that was so well said.
@@saquist What you guys don't understand is that: 1) 17 years are not that much in modern weapons development - these things are massively more complex than old weapon systems and 2) these statistics don't matter that much anymore in a modern battlescape. F-22 and F-35 not only excel versus 4th gen fighters, there is virtually no competition. The 4th gens are just target practice. Just one example of many: in a training cenario of 4 F-15s vs 1 F-22 the F-22 shot them all down without even being detected once.
@@thomaskositzki9424I've been studing this for about 7 years on my own. 17 years is a very very long time. The First Gen was only 14 years long. Second Gen lasted for all of 2 years. Third Gen was 9 years. 4th Gen lasted for 27 years at the top. 17 years is the longest development a jet fighter has ever had.
@@saquist Yes. The 5th gen fighters are also the most sophisticated, most capable machines we ever had. Complex beyond believe. On top of that are tons and tons of safety regulations. Back in the 50's losing a pilot due to unsafe technology or procedures was just common. We here in Germany lost our first two Eurofighter Typhoons in a crash last year... after 13 years (IIRC) of operation! Losing that many jets in a month was good in the 50's... This increase in safety alone has massively increased mandatory efforts in development.
You just can't compare development in the 50's or 60's with today.
I really appreciate your concise and educated opinion on this. I'd heard a lot about it but I wasn't sure what to make of it myself. Thanks!
As someone who makes a living as a professional musician and have never flown, this is so cool! I love this guys stuff
Very interesting and very instructive analysis. Excellent talk. Many thanks.
I can just picture an F35 starting up and having the AOL dial up modem sound be part of the process.
"You've got missiles."
"It looks like you're trying to bomb a terrorist. Would you like help?"
Then you get knocked out because network if full.
@@AdmiralBonetoPick More like a talking paperclip asks 'Do you want to bomb a goat herder or a wedding party?'
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN Sadly that made me laugh
The real tragedy is they stopped production of the F-22, which I'm sure they will regret.
Maybe they should have chosen YF-23 instead?
No they should have built the full order of f 22s
Not. 6th gen Fighters were the original goal. 5th gen was like a middle way, so the US could first test, maybe secondly flex some technologies. Not many countries have developed 5th gen aircrafts, but a lot will do a try on 6th gen.
@@LegendarymmHD it's gonna be hard to develop 6th gen fighters if you have no experience building 5th gens.
@@UptownDegree yeah so there is the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden I believe, Spain also..
Thank you for good explanations.
Very informative, thank you!
Very informative and interesting. Well done, Mr. Lee. Thank you.
Just happened upon this video and found it very informative. Gives me a better perspective on the F-35 and its contemporaries. Well presented. Thanks
Excellent review and explanations!
Big yes for including that beautiful Starfighter footage from The Right Stuff!
the Starfighter was one of the worst fighter jets ever made, nicknamed flying coffin or widowmaker. The term "Super Starfighter" was used by Lockheed to describe the F-104G in marketing campaigns, but fell into disuse. A less charitable name appeared, "The Flying Coffin" from the translation of the common German public name of Fliegender Sarg. The F-104 was also called Witwenmacher ("Widowmaker"), or Erdnagel ("ground nail") - the official military term for a tent peg.[3] The Pakistani AF name was Badmash ("Hooligan"), while among Italian pilots its spiky design earned it the nickname Spillone ("Hatpin"), along with Bara volante ("Flying coffin"). In the Canadian Forces, the aircraft were sometimes referred to as the "Widowmaker",[4] or the "Lawn Dart".[5]
I was interested in an explanation of cost of the F-35 program and issues surrounding its maintenance record.
the cost is basically because of the stealth features; maintaining the coating and shaping is very expensive.
My great granddad loved his Sopwith Camel, now that was a classic...
@@RobBCactive Cool
@@shreyaschatterjee702 Stealth and coatings are only one component. The operation and maintenance (O&M) cost on the engines of a 5th generation fighter jet only is more than just expensive. While the gentleman in the video did a good job of describing the tactical advantages with the F-35, I believe the sponsors do a disservice in not addressing some of the legitimate issues associated with the F-35 and F-22 programs. American pilots have complained for years about the lack of flying time in prior fighter aircraft. This was attributed partly to O&M with the engines. That's what I was trying to address with my question.
@@edymally thanks for the reply. Very informative.
Thank you, well said!!
Awesome Hasard! Love your work!
Just a ton of cool information.
Thank you my friend.
Thanks for your explanation and thoughts about F35. Your the first one to highlight F35. Now I understand more. Thanks
On some business trips to Phoenix I always try and make time to sit off the runway at Luke and watch the action. Love watching the F-16's and F-35's blasting off and landing. There's a spot in the Northwest corner where the road curves right along the fence line, where I can stand for hours.
Thanks for these enlightening insights!
Superb explanations!
I live in Glendale, AZ. Luke Air Base is a training base for the F-16 and the F-35. AWESOME!! Those are two of my FAVORITE military jets of all time., alone with the F-22 but they are nowhere near me. Be safe always...
J. D'Urbano, RRT-Retired
there are only 170 F22s in the USAF fleet, and at any given time only half are airworthy, it is probably the most difficult fighter jet to maintain in aviation history. That's why the original program was stopped.
This is so insightful! Thank you. Great job!
Here Here, glad to her it from a pilots view. I was once a salior. And Aviation Rocks. To see an aircraft fly is Awesome!!!! Thank You for explaining it to us viewers,!! That craft looks amazing!! Safe journey and Thank You!!!
Great explanation airman. Thank you!
Great video, and finally a perspective from someone who really knows what they're talking about.
He would lose his job if he told anything negative.
Or maybe he's telling the truth eh...
Great video as always sir! Keep it up!🇺🇲
Great points! The F-16 struggled in the beginning….but there was no social media back then.
Really interesting talk, thanks for that.
I really enjoyed that. Australia got on board the F35 program in 2002,......18 years ago initiated by the Howard Government. Against the RAAF's advice I might add. Now,..the RAAF love the jet,...love the operating concept and developed the future of the Air Combat BOS (Plan Jericho) centered on the F35A. The RAAF F35 is kicking goals. I was always on board the F35,....even though at times it looked like it would be one of the most controversial aircraft ever. Mind you,........people who criticise the development pain of the F35, in Australia, should read up on the F111 and its development pain as well as delayed service entry with the RAAF.
What staggers me the most about the F35 criticism,...and there still is plenty of it. Is the authors of said criticism are seemingly incapable of acknowledging that Israel, UK, South Korea, Japan, Belgium, Norway, Singapore, Poland, Australia and a host of other nations have purchased the aircraft and are placing the aircraft as the center piece of their defence needs for the next 30 years, particularly as Air Combat BOS.
Are the opinion writers who criticise the F35 suggesting that the defence planners of all these countries have got it wrong??
I think the common argument against this is,corruption, money, and America "forcing" it on them. It's wrong and the f35 is gonna be the backbone of many countries
@@Aaron-wq3jz Well it happened with the F104, which was intriguingly also built by Lockheed. LOL
Of course they love it. They have to. Pretty hard to get funding when you're griping about it all the time. Its called spin. The RAAF should not have got the F-35, particularly the A model. You dont need stealth to bomb ISIL. I did read up on the F-111 - you are aware we DIDNT BUY IT... didnt pay a cent, until it was fixed. Not the same with the F-35.
@@Ironwulf2000 that was also a different time
@@Aaron-wq3jz yeah a time we made manufacturers deliver before getting paid.
The F35 received so much negativity because of its rediculous cost.
Current fly away cost fo an F-35 is less than $100m per aircraft; thats less than a Eurofighter last time I checked.
@@timblizzard4226 the cheapest f35 which i would guess is the F35A due to it being the CTOL version is $94 million and the most expensive on being the F35B STOVL is $122 million however in contrast the Eurofighter typhoon which is the RAF's main fighter is $152 million however when put in comparison with the F16 at only $29 million then yes the F35 is expensive
@@jamesevans938 The F-16 block 60 was more like $100m including R&D. For what is, essentially, a fighter designed in the 70s, that is pretty expensive. Not sure where you are getting $29 million (what year was that?). But the F-35 should be compared to its contemporaries that are for sale right now; F-15E, Super-Hornet, Rafale, Typhoon. Its not ridiculously expensive compared to those aircraft at all.
@@jamesevans938 Your eurofighter prices are exportprices. Actual cost in europe is about 70 mill.
It's initial cost isn't that bad. A lot of the criticism is because of poor serviceability and high operating costs. Also the plane is more a bomber than a fighter
Excellent video!
EXTREMELY insightful video and one that has helped me appreciate and like the F-35 even more than I already have.
when you spend 400 billion on something it's going to get nitpicked to death, bottom line.
Maintenance costs for the f35 are extremely high, I believe only discussing flight performance is too small a discussion scope. If you can't afford to keep them in the air, what's the point in having them?
But americans never think of the money. They want to have the best Star Trek technology no matter the cost of a single plane. This is why i prefer the soviet/russian way because they made very good planes with costs in mind. Idea is to make big numbers of planes on a certain budget so you cant have universal plane for every task. But they knew how to make specific task planes from early age.
@@unwokeneuropean3590 Yes, traditionally, but that's not the new Russian philosophy, the new Russian tanks are all about automation and high tech. They're expensive but they're the most advanced tanks in the world now. The latest Russian stealth fighters appear to be going down the same path.
@@milesharbord9339 the newest* The T55 is merely a proof of concept, not a finished product. Calling it the best tank is like calling the King Tiger the best tank of Ww2.
@@heinrichmirgrautsvordir6613 T55 is ancient, There are 32 t-14s, which reportedly were deployed to Syria, but there's no Intel if they truly ended up there, and 100 T-15s. At this point it's beyond period of concept. With a $4 million price tag, they're not high in number and low in tech.
Very good take on this topic!
I love the fact that TH-cam allows people from any and every profession to create content which gives people a first hand look into a job like being a badass jet pilot that's serving his country 👏
great video - ive been out of the game for a long time so its good to hear a video to counter all of the negative press.
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Germany was great.
Baden 78-83
The good ole days
Thank you both for your Service, Greets from Germany😉👍
Thank you so much for serving our great country, we need more people like you. I'm glad my company can supplies parts for your awesome aircraft. Be liberal with that afterburner, it's meant to be flogged. 🇺🇸✈
Well spoken, articulate, and well groomed. You Sir, are the very definition of ‘Clean Cut’!
Great video mate, nothing like a square jawed, cleanly shaven, straight talking alpha type to put your mind at ease 👍🏻 I'm producing F35's in Italy and have been worried about the negative press, I'll get back to drilling now 😁
A big part of me wants too see the facts get out there, just so people knew how insane the F-35 really is; about how it will out manuever an F-16 every single time, how it's got the most powerful fighter engine ever built, etc... but then at the same time, I want our enemies too underestimate this plane, so that we can obliterate them even faster.
The thing is. In head to head mock dogfights, the f 16 won EVERY time.
@@7521eric The F-16 won, when the F-35 was limited to 6G's, and it was nowhere near having it's final software.
@@PotatoeJoe69 I was going to say...
@@PotatoeJoe69 Well I don't think the current F-35 is capable off sustaining 9G turns as long as the F-16 can.
@@265justy and you know that how? Listen to any pilots who are actually flying these birds talk about dogfighting them on podcasts. They absolutely wipe the floor with 4th gen fighters.
Very similar things happened with the F111. I was an instrument/autopilot technician/instructor on the F111 from 1970 to 1980. Just before the USAF retired it around 1991 and after the very successful raid on Lybia it was all a sudden a great airplane. It was bad mouthed mostly by the press for most of its life.
In fact, it was way more efficient then A-10, and has scored much more confirmed air to ground kills. And yet, people pray on that overglorified gun with wings and 111 was retired.
The same shit happen for the f15 too because it ran over cost but it turn out to be one of the best Jets still today.
without combacting their adverseries in s400 s200 s300 and not to talk of the iskander
The difference was that F15 was an excellent aircraft; If it 's was good as the Eagle, no one would mind a few extra dollars being spent? The conflicted requirements for each service however, (leave alone politics) have conspired to make the F35 astronomically expensive, and only an average fighter aircraft to show for it.
@@MrDayjur How did you know the F15 was a good plane back then when all the numbers are classified and it hasn't seen combat, you wouldn't and you are just hating on the F35 because of bandwagon
@@vincentc1194 In answer to your question, I followed it's development well before it's introduction. It's performance parameters were well known and widely reported even if they were officially classified back then. you therefore make a redundant point. On it's introduction, the Eagle was obviously a winner almost from moment one. Given the fact that it met it 's performance criteria, it would have taken some serious issue, that of course never emerged to have stopped it from being the great fighter that it has proven to be. (unlike the troubled development of the F35) As to your comment that I am hating on the F35 because of "bandwagon" as you put it , is incorrect. My concerns over the F35 stem from it's performance shortcomings with regard to potential adversaries,and it's staggering cost. If it emerges to be even 30%as good as the F15 became, I will be very pleased.
@@MrDayjur i'm sure you know better than the engineers who made them
Great video. On point.
I'm pretty sure many many things haven't been discussed in this video. The production, the cost of the program and of the plane, the maintenance for other air forces, the 976 failures of the flying model itself and that US navy already looks forward for developping another jet.
I'm not saying it's not a premium air fighter, it doesn't look like it as simple as that. There's a lot more things to add and i'll be glad if i could have a f35 pilot opinion to answer me under my comment :).
Your social media comments were spot on, people in government are very scared of social media comments.
I asked a few F-22 pilots at the airshow what they thought they said the F-35 was more or less a bomber not a pure air to air fighter like the F-22.
But fighters do not win the wars. Actually the pure fighters are the most useless military aircraft at all on their own - they have only purpose when there are enemy planes.
Besides - F-22 is already aging and who knows whether there is any chance for any serious upgrade. While F-35 is growing and will be kept growing for a long time. So in 10 years F-22's only advantage could be the speed.
Neither the F-22 nor the F-35 are a pure anything, nor were they meant to be.
The F-22A Block 30 and higher combat-coded Raptors are one of the best VLO precision strike/penetrator aircraft in the US inventory. They also have better resolution and PID capability than any AWACS, with tighter LPI/LD Data Link with each other. They can also do EW that makes the retired Sparkvark or Prowler envious.
What I’ve noticed from some F-22 pilots is that they went from being the prima donnas of all air shows, to second fiddle with all the emphasis and attention the F-35 is getting lately. There are several F-22A pilots who have converted to the F-35A, and they couldn’t be happier. Mainly because they get to fly a lot with a jet that has 72-95% availability versus one that has somewhere in the 50-60% MC rates. Big thing with the F-22 is that Bush/Rumsfeld/Gates, and Obama/Gates pulled out the stops to kill the program while production was still in its toddler years, not even meeting 1/3rd of the jets the USAF needed to replace the aging fleet of F-15Cs. Bush family has been on the Chinese payroll since the 1970s when Bush Sr was ambassador, so no surprises there, and they paid for Clinton’s and Obama’s campaigns with millions of illegal campaign finances, so the F-22 really scared them and Russia after they acquired internal capes briefs and TDP from traitors within the US at the highest levels.
Imagine PACAF with 200 F-22s, PACEUR with 200 F-22s, and 240 US-based F-22s. That’s a game-changer for Russia and China, that requires them to totally revolutionize their aerospace industries. China is doing everything to meet that demand possible, while Russia is struggling to crank out a 4.7 Gen fighter that doesn’t even have the right engines.
Now that there are 611 F-35 variants delivered, Russian and China are getting nervous. If only they could buy another US President...oh wait, “Now we have Biden-su."
Great content thank you.
Thanks Hasard!
Young, handsome, intelligent and articulate....oh and he's a fighter pilot. This guy has nothing going for him 😂
Top dog with all the ladies - I hope he knows it. Would be a shame if not. ^^
It's a real job to put a positive on a flying junk of junk...dude sounds like a salesman for lockheed/ usaf..it still has issues.
@@dalestephan6777 And you are expert on jet fighter technology, right? Do you work in the industry? If not, how long do you study the subject matter? What are your sources?
Fighter pilots are math nerds that discovered head rushes and calculated stunts look cool and going to the gym helps. Then they put this all together and called it a job lol
I met an F22 pilot at an airshow, he looked like Tom Cruise but wasn't quite as tall.
Having seen an F35 at an air show here in the UK it’s a deeply deeply impressive aircraft, it wasn’t even a full display but damn it was good.
All jet fighters are impressive at air shows. After all, it's what they essentially come to the air show to do. But that doesn't really mean anything in relation to their combat capabilities, does it?
@@chillout1109 No but the opinion's of the pilot's that actually fly them is infinitely more telling and so far i haven't heard a single F35 pilot bad mouth it quite the opposite but hey what do they know compared to the army of expert's in a TH-cam comment section.
So awsum how he breakdowns down aviation into simple terms yet the gentleman is a F35 Pilot !
Good info,thanks.
Had f104s at Homestead AFB FL 1967 68 on alert .Bad to the bone.Could always tell a 104 fighter jock . There boots had metal balls on the rear to attach a cable in case they had to punch out.
Steve Ballmer, the man we only recognize because of “Developers, Developers, Developers”
I recognize him as the man responsible for Vista and Windows 8.
I'd like for you to talk about the different characteristics between flying the F-16 and F-35. For you what plane was more enjoyable to fly? Pros and cons ect
Good video, there are a lot of things the F-35 brings to the fight, I'm glad we have it on our side.
Pierre Sprey is out there somewhere going but where is my pudding cup?
He did his best to get the F-35 cancelled. But he failed like always. He is still griping about the F-16 and F-15 having radars.
I always wondered if Sprey was really just that big of a fool or if someone was paying him to say this shit.
The A-10 designed by him is still around too in case you forgot.You guys missed the point Pierre Sprey made about Lockheed Martin unnecessarily making the F-35 a fat cat with stealth as an excuse. If you doubt what I say look at the other systems the built at the ULA, they fucking can't even get the Starliner to orbit yet with twice the Budget of SpaceX and you guys think the F-35 is worth it's price. Sprey was making a point of being nimble and innovative like Elon Musk and not making fighters into a corporate cash cow.
@@dheemanrajkhowa2866 You really have no clue what you are talking about. ULA isn't building Starliner, Boeing is. Starliner OFT-1 flew on December 20th, 2019. OFT-1 flew for 2 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes, 10 seconds
, and completed 33 orbits. Starliner is scheduled to launch again in March. SpaceX isn't even in the conversation when we start talking about reliable launches. A United Launch Alliance (ULA) Delta IV Heavy rocket carrying the NROL-44 mission for the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) lifted off from Space Launch Complex-37 on Dec. 10 at 8:09 p.m. EST. To date, ULA has launched 142 times with 100 percent mission success. I am a huge fan of what SpaceX has been able to accomplish but when the military needs a successful launch for a billion-dollar satellite they call ULA, not SpaceX. Sprey, is a moron, and your feeble attempt to defend him was a comedy of errors. EVERYTHING you said was entirely wrong! Every pilot that has actually flown the F-35 and other 4th generation jets like the F-15, F-16 and, F-18 prefer the F-35.
Hmm? The UK, Australia, and Israel have all increased their orders now that they have had a chance to fly them and evaluate them firsthand. Here is what the pilots that have thousands of hours of experience in F-15's, F-16's, and F-18's say.
General Goldfein's message to our adversaries "It sucks to be you"
General Goldfein on F-35B operations at Red Flag 16-3
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F-35 CSAF Gen Goldfein 23 Feb 2017 Red Flag Explained @ CSIS
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Final F-35 Kill Ratios at Red Flag 17-1 (and USMC Exercises)
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USAF's Cecil on What Differentiates the F-35A from the F-16
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Norwegian F-16 pilot since 1997 states F-35 is by far the best platform.
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Norges første F-35-flyger/Norway's first F-35-pilot (subtitled)
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F-35 Lightning II: Busting Myths - Episode 1
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The C.A.B. Show - F-35 Lightning II vs. Pierre Sprey... Who's the REAL Turkey?
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USMC's Davis: Japan-Based F-35B Readiness Exceeds Harrier, Hornet Rates
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@@dheemanrajkhowa2866 Spey did not design the F16 or the A10. During the 1960s, Pierre Sprey belonged to a group of defense analysts who called themselves the 'Fighter Mafia'. At the time he joined them, he had been a weapons system analyst working for the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Systems Analysis. The 'Fighter Mafia' group of defense analysts worked behind the scenes in the late 1960s to advocate a lightweight fighter. Spey liked to say he had designed these aircraft but he never worked for General Dynamics or Republic the designers and manufacturers of those aircraft. Spey was highly critical of the F15 saying it is too big and expensive and didn't need radar. The man is a clown.
I grew up during the Vietnam era. My father was a pilot for the airforce and flew the C130 Reconnosience plane out of Yakota AFB, Japan. I remember the 105's F4-C's and other fighters in those days, and I attended numerous airshows. Because Yakota was a base that was actively supplying forces to the Vietnam War, many of those jets would return with heavy damage. As a kid in the '60s and '70s, that was a hard thing to witness. I always loved the fighter jets and how they would perform. In today's world, I think it is important for the US to use the highest performance, intelligence, and agility for our safety. Thank you for your service to this country, and thank you for your explanation of the issues surrounding the F35. I can't wait to see what is on the horizon in the future for our Airforce. Stealth, Firepower, and the ability to communicate with so many other platforms are awesome.
What do you feel is important for the future aircraft, and do the Armed Services ever consider what you guys have to say.
Thanks again, Felix.
I am very glad you posted this. My son commissions into the Navy on May 15th and then graduates from VMI on the 16th. He will then go to Navy flight training in Pensacola, Florida in October, where his skill and academic performance will allow him to either pick his platform or be placed. The F/A-18 Super Hornets are great planes along with the F-35C's he might fly. It is nice to know he wouldn't be flying in an overrated plane with lackluster performance.
So what did it end up being? I'm considering joining the AF and I'd LOVE to fly the F-35 if I became a pilot instead of an Aircraft Maintenance Officer. :)
wow great video sir thank you
Great clip from Steve Balmer. I remember when the first iPhone came out there were lots of articles on Huffpost, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc, and I’d count up all the comments. 80% of the comments across the board said the iPhone would fail using the same argument Balmer made, because it didn’t have a physical keyboard.
I remember dismissing the initial iPhone because of the cost. How wrong we all were.
@@PawlSpring I had another high end smartphone at the time which cost more than iPhone, had multiple features iPhone didn’t have and still was a junk in comparison.
Could you do a video describing the difference between the F22 and the F35 please. You could include comparisons to the Eurofighter and the SU 35.
Would you like full schematics and blueprint's with that like any defence project the bulk of it is classified so he's probably unlikely to fulfill your request.
One aspect that I didn't see mentioned was the budget and cost overruns for the program. I've noticed that the media tends to talk about the F-35 as if it is just one fighter but the reality is that the F-35 in many ways as almost three different planes between the a the b in the C but they're also comparing it to development cycles for single craft programs, there was no short takeoff vertical Landing version of the Tomcat or catapult launch variant of the F-15
Great video.