I am enjoying this series and the other RNZ podcasts on NZ history. Very interesting / eye opening and I am learning things I never knew as a NZer....and it makes me want to keep learning and understanding how we all got to where we are today in NZ.
This episode was well done, well balanced and probably reflected the poor/racist decision making of the land court. I think this is critical in understanding the relationship between Maori and Europeans. It also reveals how the powers that be were colonists in an imperial sense ... ie. wanted to establish a colony and would do anything to achieve it. This is very different to a settler, in fact the common Europeans seemed to be used as pawns in a land chess game. Debt was a tool ... Govt loans selectively allocated. Of course some settlers were no doubt aware and happily went along with the status quo. But some/many settlers were driven by the need to survive and wanted to grow their wealth, as this was normal culture, perhaps rooted in capitalism and the view that land was for production and profit. Check out the Highland Clearances in Scotland in the 1700s and early 1800s ... people were driven off their land as farming practices changed. Anyway, I think it's important to see that not all Europeans had evil intentions and many settlers were also victims of the system. The term loan or mortgage has origins from a French word meaning "death grip" ... I think my point is made.
Thanks for your comment. It's also worth noting re your point about the range of views amongst settlers, that there was also a range of views amongst the imperialists in Europe. Some wanted more colonies but some most certainly did not and were most reluctant to get involved in New Zealand. It was hotly debated at the time with a complex mix of competing priorities and goals.
Kia Ora , so happy to see this awesome series back with this subject explained. I am currently doing my own research about whenua māori and it has helped a lot.
I pray that Maori population together with cousin Polynesian(Samoan, Tongan, Niuean, Cook Island Maori, Fijian and others), Indonesian and Malaysian will increase, today Maori is 18% and Polynesia 8%. by 2050, Maori population reach 31%, and Polynesia 10%. if Maori can assimilated white European, intermarriage and turn them into Maori, just like Malaysian did to Chinese and Indian many of them become Malay by converted to Islam and adopted Malay culture. so Malay in Malaysia almost become minority because British brought India and chinese immigrant, same with Fiji, problem with Indian immigrant, Maori in Australia and worldwide need to return to Aotearoa, BY 2100, with limited British/Anglo, European, Chinese, Indian, Arabs immigrant, and Maori help each other for support, have many children, by 2100 and late 2150, Maori at least become 40%, with Polynesian and Indonesian 20%, Pakeha/White will reduce to 30% and 10% Asian and Africa(Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Mongolian, Cambodian, Thai, Burmese, Indian, Arab, Pakistani, Iranian, Turkic, and African). Maori cannot be like America Native, Siberia native and Australia Aboriginal, there is no ways Australian aboriginal will become majority or high population minority, same with America Native, Siberia native. Hawaii, America Samoa, Guam, North Mariana Island, New Caledonia, Wallis and Futuna and French Polynesia cannot become independent because French and American wanted as base and weapon testing. Aotearoa need to reclaim back land and culture, i hope by 2050, Maori will become 30-35% of population. not included others Polynesian(Samoan, Tongan, Niuean, Fijian)
Love this series, I’d like to know the evolution of the Māori language. Was Māori Language purely in art form and spoken, as I hear similarities on dialect origins of Ola or Ora! Māori and Kanaka Maoli, what language Patupaearihi spoke, how Europeans translated te reo before Google and gave the Language an alphabet ect ect !
Kia Ora! I love your show and am learning a lot. Cracking up constantly over Māni’s improvised quips. I especially like that you two aren’t trying to be blank and impassive in your telling of these stories - you let your anger, sadness, and delight shine through. Thank you for this. Jumping trains (of thought), what does “Hay-ko-na” mean? (phonetic spelling.) Both William and Māni often say it at the end of the show. See you later? Thanks? Do you have any advice for people who would like to learn more about the language? Te reo Māori? Thanks so much!
Thanks for that. Yep you're exactly right, it's a way to say goodbye: maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=hei+kona For te reo lessons there are heaps of night school or polytech options around NZ and lots of good podcasts too... you can search online.
Aussie here. Why not spell it Fanganui? What with saying wh as an f? By the way, I once appeared before an old magistrate who mumbled. His court was at a busy intersection. The windows were wide open. All you could hear was traffic noise. There was no way he was prepared to speak up. It was good riddance when he retired.
Rest assured, we're following common style across mainstream media. not showing disrespect. When we speak of any person before they are honoured we don't give them the honour they earned later. We only use the title after they've earned it. Just as you wouldn't refer to a seven year-old Richie McCaw as 'All Black captain'. When we're talking about Dame Whina Cooper after she was given the title, then we use the title.
My family arrived in 1842 on the Duchess of Argyle from Scotland. They bought the land that later became Karagahpe Road. Headstones can be found in the cemetary located near by. Then to Te Awamutu where a street is still named to this day and the headstones in the early cemetary. I've often wondered how that land was aquired or who it was purchased from and how they came into ownership. There will be similar stories like this all over the country.
This is quite inaccurate. It overlooks the situation at the time. Around 20,000 Maori had just bern slaughtered,, 50,000 killed or wounded. Of a population of around 100,000. Genocide. Vast areas of land had been conquered and lay deserted. The victors sold this land to the crown and 170 odd years later their descendants claimed reparations. The first casualty of war is the truth. Stolen land by those that had committed genocide yet you don’t mention this? Talk about colonisation, presentism and revisionism. The land court legalised the resulting boundaries disenfranchising the previous occupants? So did the land court actually benefit Maori war criminals in the end? Does the Waitangi Tribunal acknowledge such things? From what I understand one academic was made to change his findings to reflect the Crowns sanctioned narrative, that the huge decline in the Maori population wasn’t due to genocide. Many treaty claims are built on war atrocities and stolen land. Or was it justified wins? Its ok for Maori to work in their own interests at any cost, but not the Crown? Curious. United Maori? Really!? We here about inter generational trauma, but we don’t hear much about the inter Iwi conflicts that are still raw today. Why do some Iwi get shut out and pushed to the back? Good old communism?
Saying Maori owned all the land is misleadin. Those massacred, or put into slavery and had their land stolen didn’t own any land. How was there “ownership”? Weren’t Maori just caretakers one with the land? You mentioned how Maori suffered because of bush felling. Maori themselves had burned off 6 Million hectares of bush before Europeans arrived. Your show is really not history, its standpoint epistemology, ideologically driven, praxis, activism, revisionism, white washing.
Obviously that’s not what I’m saying there Karen. I didn’t say the British didn't do anything wrong. It’s 2022 and apparently it’s ok to overlook the trauma caused by Maori to other Maori to this day. Not to mention the entrenched racism towards “white padding” Maori by other Maori. Today most Maori are also European or a mix of other ethnicities. People choose which part of their heritage they promote and usually these days its the Maori side that they focus on. Why is that? Some are the same people that will calm blood quantum's are racist. 70 odd % of “Maori” have no connection to or involvement with Tikanga Maori. Maybe we could talk about "privilege"? Maybe we could talk about Critical Theory that is Race Marxism and Critical Social Justice? As for Canada. Check the homicide rate in first nations communities, its 6 times higher than other communities. That’s because of the British? Here in NZ Maori women face the highest rates of DV, that’s all because of the British? The theory of inter generational trauma, as in, at a cellular level, has been debunked as pseudoscience. Race Marxists make bad historians.
Whites still played natives against each other and waited for them to be weak to impose their will. And imposed their will in others. The same story world over.
@@MrSicc274All people the world over play each other in one way another. You say they waited for weakness to impose there will, though in 1867 Maori Parliamentary seats were established and Maori Politicians entered Government. With this all Maori men got the vote, 12 years before European men and women.
E ihowa atua o nga iwi matoura atawhakarangona me aroha noa kia hua ko te pai kia tao to ata whai manakitia mai Aotearoa. God of nations at thy feet in the bonds of love we meet your voices we entreat God defend our Free land guard Pacific‘s triple star from the shafts of strife and war make her praises heard afar God defend New Zealand 🇳🇿
Claim to land was constantly changing hands prior to te tiriti it's hard to see the land as owned by any race or tribe during the musket wars, putting it into productive use was understandable, not 'racist'.
@@lu-uf8zj who said anything about skin color I'm a landowner in multiple blocks all over the country but the majority of the land was unjustly confiscated
@@aperaruapeeta4309 I heard they just put waste land to productive use. Land owned by Iwi on behalf of all the tribe then became crown land owned on behalf of all the nation rather than exclusive property of an Iwi corporation.
Kaore, “Nova Zealandia” is the Dutch name given to the continent AFTER Europeans first visit to the continent. “Āotearoa” is the name given from The Pacific Navigator Kupes wife Hine Te Aparangi. She named it after the long white cloud she saw over the horizon. Check your history.
Gagging at the “ke Orr arr” speech bubble next to the judge 😂😂
Car pie 🤙
I am enjoying this series and the other RNZ podcasts on NZ history. Very interesting / eye opening and I am learning things I never knew as a NZer....and it makes me want to keep learning and understanding how we all got to where we are today in NZ.
This episode was well done, well balanced and probably reflected the poor/racist decision making of the land court. I think this is critical in understanding the relationship between Maori and Europeans. It also reveals how the powers that be were colonists in an imperial sense ... ie. wanted to establish a colony and would do anything to achieve it. This is very different to a settler, in fact the common Europeans seemed to be used as pawns in a land chess game. Debt was a tool ... Govt loans selectively allocated. Of course some settlers were no doubt aware and happily went along with the status quo. But some/many settlers were driven by the need to survive and wanted to grow their wealth, as this was normal culture, perhaps rooted in capitalism and the view that land was for production and profit. Check out the Highland Clearances in Scotland in the 1700s and early 1800s ... people were driven off their land as farming practices changed. Anyway, I think it's important to see that not all Europeans had evil intentions and many settlers were also victims of the system. The term loan or mortgage has origins from a French word meaning "death grip" ... I think my point is made.
Thanks for your comment. It's also worth noting re your point about the range of views amongst settlers, that there was also a range of views amongst the imperialists in Europe. Some wanted more colonies but some most certainly did not and were most reluctant to get involved in New Zealand. It was hotly debated at the time with a complex mix of competing priorities and goals.
Kia Ora , so happy to see this awesome series back with this subject explained. I am currently doing my own research about whenua māori and it has helped a lot.
I pray that Maori population together with cousin Polynesian(Samoan, Tongan, Niuean, Cook Island Maori, Fijian and others), Indonesian and Malaysian will increase, today Maori is 18% and Polynesia 8%. by 2050, Maori population reach 31%, and Polynesia 10%. if Maori can assimilated white European, intermarriage and turn them into Maori, just like Malaysian did to Chinese and Indian many of them become Malay by converted to Islam and adopted Malay culture. so Malay in Malaysia almost become minority because British brought India and chinese immigrant, same with Fiji, problem with Indian immigrant, Maori in Australia and worldwide need to return to Aotearoa, BY 2100, with limited British/Anglo, European, Chinese, Indian, Arabs immigrant, and Maori help each other for support, have many children, by 2100 and late 2150, Maori at least become 40%, with Polynesian and Indonesian 20%, Pakeha/White will reduce to 30% and 10% Asian and Africa(Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Mongolian, Cambodian, Thai, Burmese, Indian, Arab, Pakistani, Iranian, Turkic, and African). Maori cannot be like America Native, Siberia native and Australia Aboriginal, there is no ways Australian aboriginal will become majority or high population minority, same with America Native, Siberia native. Hawaii, America Samoa, Guam, North Mariana Island, New Caledonia, Wallis and Futuna and French Polynesia cannot become independent because French and American wanted as base and weapon testing. Aotearoa need to reclaim back land and culture, i hope by 2050, Maori will become 30-35% of population. not included others Polynesian(Samoan, Tongan, Niuean, Fijian)
Love this series, I’d like to know the evolution of the Māori language. Was Māori Language purely in art form and spoken, as I hear similarities on dialect origins of Ola or Ora! Māori and Kanaka Maoli, what language Patupaearihi spoke, how Europeans translated te reo before Google and gave the Language an alphabet ect ect !
Kia Ora! I love your show and am learning a lot. Cracking up constantly over Māni’s improvised quips. I especially like that you two aren’t trying to be blank and impassive in your telling of these stories - you let your anger, sadness, and delight shine through. Thank you for this.
Jumping trains (of thought), what does “Hay-ko-na” mean? (phonetic spelling.) Both William and Māni often say it at the end of the show. See you later? Thanks?
Do you have any advice for people who would like to learn more about the language? Te reo Māori? Thanks so much!
Thanks for that. Yep you're exactly right, it's a way to say goodbye: maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=hei+kona
For te reo lessons there are heaps of night school or polytech options around NZ and lots of good podcasts too... you can search online.
Lol Hay-ko-na means, hay out in the paddock with the cow's ko means in the field with the crows and na means na im not giving your land back. LoL
not every chief or representative signed the treaty document in front of that so called government or the crown.
3part canu send these to Winston Peter's he said we have no 3 part's or somin els
Enjoying this series but the female presenter is so annoying with her snarky comments ☠️
Aussie here. Why not spell it Fanganui? What with saying wh as an f?
By the way, I once appeared before an old magistrate who mumbled. His court was at a busy intersection. The windows were wide open. All you could hear was traffic noise. There was no way he was prepared to speak up. It was good riddance when he retired.
Can't really talk about James Carroll and Apirana Ngata without mentioning the 1907 Tohunga Supression Act
OI! That's not Whina Cooper! That's DAME Whina Cooper! That girl earned her title!
Rest assured, we're following common style across mainstream media. not showing disrespect. When we speak of any person before they are honoured we don't give them the honour they earned later. We only use the title after they've earned it. Just as you wouldn't refer to a seven year-old Richie McCaw as 'All Black captain'. When we're talking about Dame Whina Cooper after she was given the title, then we use the title.
That’s karani Whina she is my whanaunga ❤
Chur!!!
My family arrived in 1842 on the Duchess of Argyle from Scotland. They bought the land that later became Karagahpe Road. Headstones can be found in the cemetary located near by.
Then to Te Awamutu where a street is still named to this day and the headstones in the early cemetary.
I've often wondered how that land was aquired or who it was purchased from and how they came into ownership.
There will be similar stories like this all over the country.
@@skozlozlaurie712 Te Awamutu wasn't purchased. It was confiscated after the invasion of the Waikato.
Why we cant TAKE them to court for neglagence & holding out on Native indigenous maori people
Love this series, I wish we learnt about NZ history in school, but it was all European history 🙄
Canu send these to Terry Opine please he's a PAKEA ACTIVIST on you tube WITH NO IDEA BUT A ANGRY IMPORT PAYING MAORI TO STAY HERE 😂😂😂
Maori have too much land now
This women is so fine.
This is quite inaccurate.
It overlooks the situation at the time. Around 20,000 Maori had just bern slaughtered,, 50,000 killed or wounded. Of a population of around 100,000. Genocide.
Vast areas of land had been conquered and lay deserted. The victors sold this land to the crown and 170 odd years later their descendants claimed reparations. The first casualty of war is the truth. Stolen land by those that had committed genocide yet you don’t mention this? Talk about colonisation, presentism and revisionism.
The land court legalised the resulting boundaries disenfranchising the previous occupants? So did the land court actually benefit Maori war criminals in the end?
Does the Waitangi Tribunal acknowledge such things? From what I understand one academic was made to change his findings to reflect the Crowns sanctioned narrative, that the huge decline in the Maori population wasn’t due to genocide.
Many treaty claims are built on war atrocities and stolen land. Or was it justified wins?
Its ok for Maori to work in their own interests at any cost, but not the Crown?
Curious.
United Maori? Really!?
We here about inter generational trauma, but we don’t hear much about the inter Iwi conflicts that are still raw today.
Why do some Iwi get shut out and pushed to the back? Good old communism?
Saying Maori owned all the land is misleadin. Those massacred, or put into slavery and had their land stolen didn’t own any land. How was there “ownership”? Weren’t Maori just caretakers one with the land?
You mentioned how Maori suffered because of bush felling. Maori themselves had burned off 6 Million hectares of bush before Europeans arrived.
Your show is really not history, its standpoint epistemology, ideologically driven, praxis, activism, revisionism, white washing.
Obviously that’s not what I’m saying there Karen.
I didn’t say the British didn't do anything wrong.
It’s 2022 and apparently it’s ok to overlook the trauma caused by Maori to other Maori to this day.
Not to mention the entrenched racism towards “white padding” Maori by other Maori.
Today most Maori are also European or a mix of other ethnicities.
People choose which part of their heritage they promote and usually these days its the Maori side that they focus on. Why is that?
Some are the same people that will calm blood quantum's are racist.
70 odd % of “Maori” have no connection to or involvement with Tikanga Maori.
Maybe we could talk about "privilege"?
Maybe we could talk about Critical Theory that is Race Marxism and Critical Social Justice?
As for Canada.
Check the homicide rate in first nations communities, its 6 times higher than other communities. That’s because of the British?
Here in NZ Maori women face the highest rates of DV, that’s all because of the British?
The theory of inter generational trauma, as in, at a cellular level, has been debunked as pseudoscience.
Race Marxists make bad historians.
Whites still played natives against each other and waited for them to be weak to impose their will. And imposed their will in others. The same story world over.
@@MrSicc274Maori did the same to each other as can happen with any people of any colour the world over.
@@MrSicc274All people the world over play each other in one way another.
You say they waited for weakness to impose there will, though in 1867 Maori Parliamentary seats were established and Maori Politicians entered Government. With this all Maori men got the vote, 12 years before European men and women.
E ihowa atua o nga iwi matoura atawhakarangona me aroha noa kia hua ko te pai kia tao to ata whai manakitia mai Aotearoa. God of nations at thy feet in the bonds of love we meet your voices we entreat God defend our Free land guard Pacific‘s triple star from the shafts of strife and war make her praises heard afar God defend New Zealand 🇳🇿
Claim to land was constantly changing hands prior to te tiriti it's hard to see the land as owned by any race or tribe during the musket wars, putting it into productive use was understandable, not 'racist'.
Neo conservative ideology are the only racist theme concerning this subject 🙄
@@stephenlennon7369 what ideology do they have then? Ideologically "the crown" is constitutional on behalf of ALL the people regardless of race.
It was in productive use just not in white use!!!
@@lu-uf8zj who said anything about skin color I'm a landowner in multiple blocks all over the country but the majority of the land was unjustly confiscated
@@aperaruapeeta4309 I heard they just put waste land to productive use. Land owned by Iwi on behalf of all the tribe then became crown land owned on behalf of all the nation rather than exclusive property of an Iwi corporation.
You know that "Aotearoa" is a name made up Europeans right?
Um no it's not it was a name that kupe wife that first Polynesian navigator to come to NZ gave the land we now consider as Aotearoa
Source?
Kaore, “Nova Zealandia” is the Dutch name given to the continent AFTER Europeans first visit to the continent.
“Āotearoa” is the name given from The Pacific Navigator Kupes wife Hine Te Aparangi. She named it after the long white cloud she saw over the horizon. Check your history.
Just get a job like every one else has to
We want our land back.all national and state land