Finland joining NATO would crush Russian power
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#Finland joining #NATO would essentially crush Russia’s nuclear readiness, turn the #Baltic Sea into a NATO lake, and drive Moscow into bankruptcy.
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The root of all this problem was the gazoduc between Germany and Russia.
Usa didnt want it and they pushed a paranoiac Russia to attack ukraine by branding the nato membership menace.
In the end Usa won by stopping the gazoduc project and enlarging NATO with possibly 3 new countries (sweden, finland, ukraine).
An alliance between Russia and Germany (europe basically) is a nightmare for the USA and UK..
China on the other hand welcome that alliance because that weaken USA position in the world.
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Honestly if it wasn’t for the nukes, nobody would really fear Russia after seeing their performance in Ukraine war.
This.
Am pretty sure Poland alone could walk over Moscow rather quick.
@@yurichtube1162 Do you realise that Russia is struggling against Ukraine? That's no offence to Ukraine, but they're not exactly a NATO country.
@@yurichtube1162 The dude is sleeping
"If it weren't for the nukes" is a BIG "if".
As soon as I saw the news of Finland’s (also Sweden’s) formal application, I knew the stage was set for one of the most significant, consequential developments in European geopolitical and military affairs of our time - the reverberations of which will last for a long time.
The current reality of our world is very different from just two to three months previous - it’s simply insane how fast and far things can change in a matter of mere months.
_"There are decades where weeks happen, and weeks where decades happen."_
- Some dead dude
There’s going to be a new Cold War due to its expansion and more nuclear weapons at play in the region. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
Just a matter of time before nuclear war..
Generally, decades go by without a whole lot happening, and then a few months go by where decades happen. It's pretty surreal living through it though. I was 1-2yo when the curtain fell in full, so I don't really remember that period, and apart from US geopolitical disasters over the last couple of decades, nothing too significant has happened apart from 9/11 and some financial disasters. This though, this is huge
"There are decades where Nothing happens...
and there are Weeks where Decades happen."
Now that Finland has officially joined NATO as of today, I’m wondering wtf Putin was thinking.
He believed in brief victory over Ukraine. He believed European countries would not dare to intervene in the conflict, that Finland and Sweden would turn a blind eye to a genocide in 21st century, that their policies of neutrality would persist even in front of absolute evil.
He thought like this because, as dictators have always done, he had surrounded himself with yes-men who assured him of his brilliance and excellence.
He was wrong.
@@JPond-we5on Absolute evil? What was the invasion of Iraq? of Afghanistan? Bombing Yugoslavia, causing the worst humanitarian crisis in Yemen? The current atrocities going on against the Palestinian people?
Most people wouldn't have expected the West to support Ukraine so strongly, simply because there seemed to be no (strong) reason to do so. But as always, things become clear when you leave terms as "absolute evil", because the West couldn't care less about what's happening to the Ukrainian people. It's all about influence and politics, as always. Ukraine is of strategic importance to the West.
SUPER, people in the Baltics are sooo happy :D we are soo much better protected now but yeah...I agree, Putin made such a stupid mistake by attacking Ukraine
@@HK-gm8pe You're already in the EU, so nothing changed. You have just as little or much to fear as before
Putin thinks - Now Finland has to pay for US interests.
Congratulations from Lithuania 🇱🇹 to Finland 🇫🇮
Now Lithuania 🇱🇹 and the other Baltic States (Latvia 🇱🇻 , Estonia 🇪🇪) are less isolated geographically from other NATO allies and are more secure.
agreed, Finland joining NATO was the best thing ever happen for the Baltic states , now if only Sweden could do that aswell :(
The 3 Baltic states are biggest racist's.
Why russia invaded Ukraine???because Ukraine choose west and failed to become neutral.
Why Ukraine is rejected to become a part of NATO
@@alikalka Baseless insults.
@@sohailasghar8684Because they think it's part of their empire. An empire that exist only in the mind of Adolf Putin
Certain Irony how Russia is against the expansion of NATO, but then it's actions in Ukraine have effectively helped expand NATO! Well done!!
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Russia's ridiculous and dangerous behavior is the entire reason NATO exist to begin with.....
As long as our "ally" Erdogan allows it.
Russia be like:NO MORE NATO EXPANSION
*invades Ukraine
Finland & Sweden:Trys to join nato Because they fear that they will be next
Russia: Wait your not suppose to do that
It is simply amazing what Finland has been able to accomplish with less than 6 million people. It's an astonishingly amazing country.
Sisu.
And now they will be sucked dry. Good job.
Fun fact, they also have enough bunker space to fit their entire population into in case of a nuclear war
All large buildings must by law build a bomb shelter, and you can find many children's playgrounds, swimming pools, theatres and gyms that are built as bunkers and can be cleared as short notice to fit hundreds of people each
They're a giant, colder Switzerland
@@2hotflavored666 wtf are you talking about, troll? :D
@@Corvx What's so confusing to you, troll?
Update: Finland joined NATO
This aged well
This aged like magic heavenly wine!
We will see. Russia hasn't collapsed yet.
If NATO attacked Russia? NATO won't attack Russia if Russia didn't attack first. Finland's president quite frankly said, if Putin asked him for the reason why Finland that has been neutral for over 75 years now joins NATO, he would answer: "Look into the mirror. It's you!".
Yes, but that's why he said "if". Russia, or any other state for that matter, do not make strategic preparations based solely on what the enemy would do, they also make preparations based on what the enemy COULD do.
NATO launched an unprovoked attack on both libya & iraq.
there are 100 ways make enemy attack you first...
or
destroy your own ship in middle of the sea and claim enemy attacked deliberately ..
@@Sayfullah570 the US attacked and invaded Iraq.
@@thelikesofus324 Afghanistan was the US, not NATO; Libya was the enforcement of a UN resolution; Serbia was to prevent genocide as a humanitarian intervention. Those all seem pretty good to me.
Putin might need to explain how Finland and Sweden joining NATO is actually preventing NATO borders from moving east
Do you imagine what would happend if somehow Japan and Australia join Nato Putin would literally eat his on balls in anger 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yup. And for sure that NATO is no longer a threat once Ukraine and Georgia join.
Why would he need to do that? He can just more easily convince his population that again they are going to invade Russia. How easy do you want to make it for him to rally his population behind a war cry?
This just makes me realise that invading Ukraine had a bigger consequence in Finland joining NATO… wow what a colossal mistake Putin has made
@@retro5533 hell no
Then Georgia has to suffer
It has finally happened.
Update: NATO's 30 allies signed an accession protocol for Finland and Sweden on Tuesday, allowing them to join the nuclear-armed alliance once parliaments ratify the decision. US senate 95-1 (no vote was senator hawley) to approve both Finland and Sweden. If all parliaments approve, Finland and Sweden would be able to join nato
President Biden just signed it off hours ago.
Trust Senator Hawley To get it wrong yet again!
We all saw his true colours on January 6th 2021!
The film of him running from the attack on the Capital was a joy to see.
Based Hawley, zog btfo
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@@loturzelrestaurant *FINLAND NATO SUPERPOWER♥♥♥*
Finland‘s territory is an absolute nightmare to invade in any season - in the winter, Finnish soldiers are invisible, in the spring, the ground turns to 100% mud, summer there are swarms of gnats and mosquitos, and fall it never stops raining and it is extremely dark.
Just don’t do it Vladimir Vladimirovich.
Vladolf Putler*
Have you heard of nuclear weapons? Russia would fart on Finland and it would be enough.
Welp, Zombies probably want to die just like their grandfathers
They can't bc they'll start a nuclear war also I'm from Finland so ik better
Gnats and mosquitos are not so bad when you get used to it. if theres 3 million soldiers killing the bugs, its no problem.
The Saima canal has already in practice been disabled - Finnish ships do not use it due to the risk of being detained.
As for the Baltic being a nuclear-free zone - c'mon, they've had nukes in Kaliningrad for a while already.
Finnish army is pretty strong
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@@canaryinacoalmine7267 of course it will.
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@@canaryinacoalmine7267 Why shouldn't Finland be allowed membership? Because Turkey's president is an egotistical wannabe dictator who's been jerking Putin off for years while oppressing his own people, and he's now angry because Finland and Sweden haven't historically agreed with him treading on human rights? Or because the Turkish government is so corrupt, they label every one of their political opponents "terrorists", including peaceful protesters and people who publicly say they disagree with the state on something?
Here after Finland joined NATO
Finland is on the way joining Nato now.
All the 30 Nato countries ranked Finland 's application.
"Before the war, policymakers were calling for the Finlandization of Ukraine. Now, they are calling for the Ukrainization of Finland."
That is one for the textbooks.
Sadly a great quote. What a sad moment in History.
This is baffling for someone from Finland. Turn prospering nordic democracy into developing east european war torn state?
@@justskip4595 how do think the average person from Finland feels about this?
@@jessegerard5752 The price of having to suffer living next to Russians is everlasting vigilance. It's not a question of if they invade you, but *when*.
@@jessegerard5752 sux bro
I would like to add couple of points. First of finns are an ethnic group who live in what is today known as Finland. We have quite literally always lived here. We were under Sweden for more or less 600 years. Finland wasn't carved out of Sweden, it was always there, just without national indentity. Even though Finland was opressed under Russia. We had autonomy. We were much more free than many other people who lived under Russia, that doesn't excuse Russias actions against finns or anyone else. We have been a democracy for over 200 years now.
Also when after finnish civil war, which happened immediately after our independence, Finland had a brief war with Soviet Russia. Finland has had three wars against Russia during our 100 years of independence and even more before that. Looking at history, the question isn't, if Russia attacks, but when Russia attacks.
Between the world wars and after them Russia tried on somewhat succeeded to ethnically cleanse their border region of Finnic peoples. Ingrians were almost completely purged, many karelians too.
Even after all that, we finns are extremely peaceful people. We don't really have as much hard feelings against Russia as many others, but we are not optimists. Our president called Putin after the attack had began. After the call in press conference he was asked quite literally: "What happened?". And he only answered: "The mask has slipped off". It was the moment most finns knew, that the only way to guarantee our safety is to join NATO. Finland has always been part of the west. Finlandization was forced upon us by Stalin and his successors. It was a exceptionally dangerous, but necessary, political line led by Kekkonen.
We have been a democracy since 1906 and first democratic elections with full political rights for every man and woman to vote and run for office 1907. So not 200 years yet but well over 100.
Karelian myself and id rather live under Russians than Swedes any fucking day.
Even during autonomy, Finland had democratic elements in it's system. Diet of Finland was an technically democratic process where people from different classes were put up for governmental duties. Still as part of the Russian Empire the nobles had the most power. It could be compared to how Roman Republic chose their leaders, which was hell of a lot more democratic than Russia now. Finns pushed democratic values, while Russia, depending on the Tsar at the time, tried to push back these reforms. First purely liberal democratic elections were held in Finland in 1907, while still under Russia. Some even argue that Finland is the first truly democratic country in the world. Thats why after Finlands independence democracy came so naturally to us. It was already here.
A thoughtful post! Although I do have a question: Do you believe Russia in its current form, ever really had any hostile intentions towards Finland? That Finland, as its been, has been more beneficial as a non-aligned zone where neither opposing side operates on, than aligned with/against or occupied by Russia.
Has a genuine threat existed at all since the Soviet Union dissolved? I know in the case of Sweden, they have no excuse to change their policy, but for Finland I understand the anxieties of living next to a nuclear giant.
And even I feel the attacks by the Soviets long ago can't be called Russian aggression (Stalin being a Georgian, and the power structures of the USSR having little to nothing to do with ethnicity or nationalities) but were just the actions of paranoid stalinist-communism.
A nation without national identity isn't much of a nation at all. Finland was just an area of Sweden which it lost in a war against Russia. The Idea of being Finnish was created during the grand duchy times in 19th century. Without the war of Finland, Finland would likely just be part of Sweden
Finland joined🎉
On April 4th, 2023 Russian Power has been crushed.
to be fair Finland probably already has plans for special ops operations to the murmansk railways ready to be put in action in case of an attack to Finland. The country did these railway sabotage missions already in the winter war. If they have a chance of crippling Russian air superiority then they will try every attempt they get. Finland knows Russian strategies and weaknesses quite well and has propably been making through plans for destroying their logistics years ahead.
Given how Russia struggled against Ukraine 30 or so old MiG-29s and handfull of drones, I don't think there was much of a risk that they would achieve air superiority against Finland's 200+ modern warplanes even if they were fighting on their own. If anything the main concern for Finland would be not to dunk on the VVS so hard that Russia starts feeling threatened to the point that they would consider deploying nukes.
I don't think that in the event of a war between the two the Finns would seriously consider invading Russia, even if it is just for a limited purpose on a short raid, until it is officially WW3.
I might be rusty on my history, but I'm pretty sure Finland tried to cut off Murmansk railway in the Continuation war, not the Winter war.
@@mielipuolisiili7240 Yeah it was the Continuation War. The Winter War was very short and Finns were in no position to strike back against the USSR alone.
Something tells me that if you threaten nuclear elements or the northern fleet, you are very likely to get nuked. You'd be putting Russia in a situation of using them or losing them.
There is always plans for many a scenario in any military headquarters. Even the polish had plans to invade Germany prior to ww2.
Caspian, in the future, could you please start listing your sources? A lot of people are questioning a statement you made about Greece and a lack of any listed sources doesn't make your statement seem very solid.
Caspian lately making odd statements, some of it is out of place, or simply bias. Is it because his nation doesnt like russia? Especially his neighbor somewhat funded by russia. The narrative are getting bias over time.
I second this. Sources should be mandatory for any video that isn't fiction.
This channel is now 100% propaganda. Flash nice visuals and top tier production...the masses will believe anything.
Agree this would be great. Look at Lemmino or Kurtsegart for how its done well.
@@SS-sy4uu Can you recommend some videos with a more impartial take on the whole situation than this one?
Just announced today! Turkey and Hungary to ratify Finland ascension to NATO!
I’m proud to say as of today 4/4/23 Finland is now a NATO member!!
At 5:05 the map says that Norway was an ally of Germany. IT WAS NOT! It was invaded and occupied. Yes the Nazis controlled a colaberationist government after the invasion, but it was never an ally of Germany it was a victim.
And Finland did not help facilitate the Siege of Lennigrad. To Hitler's annoyance, Finland refused to blockade its territory it controlled around Lenningrad.
Kinda makes it an ally. Just like Vichy France.
@@revanamell1791
That is misleading because it was an "ally" by occupation, not by choice, like Italy and Japan and Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria (albeit those last three chose in part because of threats, inferred mostly that Germany could invade them). By your definition, then Holland was an "ally", Belgium was an "ally", Chekoslovakia was an "ally", Denmark was an "ally" Greece was an "ally", Luxembourg was an "ally" That's the problem.
Cope
@@walterusalbus
Elaborate.
@@arrow1414 yes they were allies except Greece, Netherlands sent 100k VOLUNTEERS in the ss and german army
Altough I am no expert to any of these topics, I could identify some very odd statements in the video.
- Finland didn't facilitate the siege of Leningrad. The Finnish forces dug down even before the Nazi German forces decided to siege the city instead of invading it
- Norway was occupied, not allied to Nazi Germany
- Finland has navy consisting mostly of small vessels aimed to defend a coastline dottet with small islands, wouldn't consider it to be a strong navy. Swedes have a much powerful navy
- Since Russia most likely already has nukes in Kaliningrad, the Baltics hasn't been nuclear free for a long time
And the most important bit:
- The claim that Finland and Sweden are sponsoring groups that "seek to harm Turkish population" is purely a pro-Turkish viewpoint. Surely that claim holds some truth, but it certainly is not the whole truth. The topic has a lot of variables and multiple viewpoints, and presenting a single-sided viewpoint as the absolute factual truth is very irresponsible and just bad journalism.
However, like I said, I am no expert, so remember your pinch of salt. The thing is that I'd like my CaspianReport videos without having to digest everything with a pinch of salt; that's a big intake for a 20 minute video. You did make some good points too, such as "sweating more in peacetime means less bleeding in wartime" which in my opinion reflects the Finnish mindset extremely well.
Yeah I’m no expert either but this video honestly struck me as slanted. The Baltic has been nuclear for decades and it’s more or less an open secret at this point. And the whole bit about the Kurds was very strange. Like yeah the PKK are bad and I don’t think demanding that they list the as a terrorist element is unreasonable. But the forces in Syria are much more debatable.
Although I would like to agree with most of what you said, you are simply wrong regarding Turkey. Both Sweden nor Finland do not persecute PKK members and are a safe haven for that organization. PKK is an organization that uses violence to promote its actions and agenda, thus it IS a terrorist organization and as such is recognized by most NATO members, now you can look at their goals however you like, and you can be sympathetic to what they stand for, the fact is that PKK is an open enemy of Turkey and that they engage in violence there, thus they DO seek to harm Turkish population and Turkey. The subject is not PKK nor the Kurdish struggle, or Turkey, he merely stated that Turkey would probably be against Finnish joining NATO cuz they are friendly to an organization that is an Enemy of Turkey. It is not bad journalism it is simply stating the obvious.
@@josephkwiatkowski2735 And what exactly do forces in Syria have to do with this subject??
Sweden and Finland do indeed sponsor violent Kurdish groups in Syria that seek to harm Turkey.
Nothing bias about this object fact. The Syrian SDF uses Swedish weapons that get used on Turkish soldiers on the border.
As a Finn, very well said.
Coming back to this aging well as Finland joins NATO...
Finland already got the GREEN LIGHT FOR MEMBERSHIP IN NATO from TURKEY & HUNGARY!
The stuff about submarines in the Baltic is totally wrong. Ever since the USSR and/or Russia decided to have submarines in Leningrad/Saint Petersbourg those submarines have had to pass the Danish straits on the surface. The reason is both due to treaties but also due to the limited water depth in those straits. Denmark is a founding member of NATO.
It's perhaps still a Russian Cold War doctrine. After all, their plan was to swiftly take Denmark which due to Eastern Germany was in spitting distance from the Warsaw Pact.
He's talking about in the event of war.
Stalin was fully aware of the importance of Dennmark and its straights, Churchill kept the Flensburg Goverment of Karl Donitz alive some weeks after the war, in order to keep the Wermacht in the área and prevent further russian advance, this was highly protest by the soviets at the time, and documents released after the fall of the USSR claim this was the case, bringing Dennmark into the Communist bloc or somekind of Finland arrangement. USSR borders were very detailed by stalin, they all served a purpose, Ukraine has part of Hungary so that the soviets would always have a direct Route to any of its allies, unlike Nato the Warsaw pact moved a million troops to invade another ally.
@@benkeeling98 Regardless, passing through the Danish straits undetected with nuclear submarines is impossible. Some parts have a water depth of 20 meters in a dredged channel with lower outside the channel.
You seem to be right. Also, the Russian Baltic Fleet only has a single (old) submarine left, almost all other Russian subs are stationed around Murmansk or the Pacific.
Norway was not "German - Allied", it was "German - Occupied".
Quisling and his small band of traitors were allied to Hitler. So very technically there was an alliance of sorts, although dubious and fraudulent. The Norwegian politicians prior to war did zero good for Norway by claiming "no war is on the horizon", even while Hitler was beefing up his power and German military.
hard to say, for many norwegians (and swedes) were german sympathizers
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If it won THE war it would be allies. Dont forget THE winner writes history.
Today Finland joins NATO -> Russia power officially Crushed.
...and here we are
For Finland the calculus changed already in Dec 2021 after Putin issued his ultimatum for NATO not to accept any new members. FIN security policy had hitherto relied on non-alliance while maintaining full NATO compatibility and the so called ‘NATO option’. This option meant Finland could anytime apply for membership if Russia became threatening to Finland. With his ultimatum Putin signalled that FIN was robbed of its right to determine its own security policy. FIN would be neutral not by its own choice but by Putin’s choice. This Russian interference combined with the attack on Ukraine were enough to change the Finnish position.
Putin's statement should be read for what it is: an admission of intent. Not necessarily the intent of invasion, but of using military methods of coercing Finland.
I agree. Most people misunderstand that this is actually two crises on top of each other. First invasion, i.e., disrespectful of sovereign borders, and then second - a complete reverse back to the old Soviet Imperialism view with interest shares of subjugated countries.
Hopefully the Finnish are just doing all this for show and aren't stupid enough to be used as human shields by the US
Ah yes, the totally real and absolutely US funded bio labs in Ukraine, that’s totally the real point of this invasion, and it’s totally not to just massacre Ukrainian citizens for a new soviet empire schtick /s
And that’s not even touching the fact that nato isn’t expanding harmfully. If a country wants to join nato, that have to apply. NATO isn’t expanding forcefully, Russia is. NATO is, as it claims to be, a DEFENSIVE alliance.
It would be completely against the interests of Greece to oppose Finland and Sweden's entry to NATO. Why do you claim that Greece would be a potential country to veto this process?
Wondering this too..
Also Greece already accepted their entry anywyas.
@@Garonen im preety sure he was just saying that those countries have the power to veto it, not that they would veto it.
It could be argued that Greece has no objections to Finland's membership. But will seek concessions or beneficial agreements from the current member states.
In other words it would be a shame to let a crisis go to waste.
Maybe he confused Greece with Turkey?
Finland officially joined today
"Sweating more in peace-time means bleeding less in war-time."
That's a hell of a saying! I'm adding that to my list of them. 🙂
NATO should give Putin award for creating new recruits for western alliance
as long as leaders like xing ping and putin remain in power western alliance would continue to get new members
Nobel Peace Prize 2023 nominee
@@jasonBGI A. Hitler would have gotten one 1946 for killing the gratest aggressor of Europe of his time and ending the second world war in Europe in one stroke. Especially as he was already nominated for one in 1939.
But he died during this operation, so it was not to be ment afterall...
Exactly
@@panaccoman currently both Finland and Swedish government are trying to enter with even the polls suggesting that majority of Swedish and Finnish citizens supporting it
Just to be precise Norway was not “German allied” during ww2 but “German occupied”.
This dude is taking horseshit
It was a bit of bith really. Same as occupied france, there were sympathizers and resistance.
Are you sure about that?
@Wilhelm Schwanz youll mature soon friend
Yep, honestly all EU during WW2 had been pro-fascist against the post-Russia which was Soviet union, so we all know a great historical lesson what-if-when;)😉
Putin - "I must stop NATO expansion and Ukraien should not join!"
Also Putin - causes a NATO expansion as two Nations are shocked at his invasion so apply to NATO. Meaning the new rounds of NATO expansion have come about due to Putin himself!
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Finland Ended Homelessness. A video with this as the title
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Their 'Give a Home to the Homeless#-Strategy works ridiculously well.
dude, the nordic countries joining nato for their own protection, not to crush Russia. these countries are small, they don't want to end up getting invaded like Ukraine.
Finland is gonna have no NATO, no Russian oil/gas but long, cold winter. Great deal! LOL
@TheWeeaboo if Rusia attack Finland, their 700km railroad can be destroy and make his logistic more suck than in Ukraine
its funny how Finland and Sweden were threatened by russia to not join nato and then decided to join nato
They join for protection, wich would give a new strategical advantage to NATO in order to contain and and "eventually" attack Russia, I don't know what's the problem.
@@carlosthedeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it just a show, they know Turkey would reject or at least one member would
Hungarian here: Hungary stated that it continiues it's open door policy for Nato in the question of Sweden and Finland getting it's membership too.
Another Hungarian: true, but our esteemed foreign affairs minister also said that NATO must take the considerations of Turkey into account.
Yeah, my take from outside Hungary is that this was just Orban trying to score some points in domestic politics, but he wouldn't actually oppose Swedish/Finland membership because of the diplomatic repercussions.
My question is how much has Putin's invasion hurt Orban domestically? It doesn't seem like it has.
Good to hear.
Orban should frankly be ousted via a coup. Or Hungary should be kicked out of NATO and EU.
An autocrat like that doesn’t belong.
@@Sphere723 It came right before the April 3rd general elections, and Orbán took the position that we are in NATO, but we are not delivering any arms to Ukraine and he will keep the country out of the conflict (that has produced a flow of refugees from next door Ukraine that Hungarian civil society has come together to help). He claimed the opposition were warmongers who would send Hungarian boys to battle. Fightened voters rallied around (his) flag and he was reelected by a 2/3 parliamentary majority. He also drags his feet re some common EU anti-Russia asanctions. With that policy, though, he got alienated from fellow E-EU member states, including his old ally, Poland.
Russia complaining about a problem they literally created is so soviet union
They're still stuck in that Soviet rhetoric. Scared of everything and everybody around them, thinking the rest of the world is somehow trying to 'defeat' or attack them at any given time. If they'd just be peaceful and act like every other civilized country, they could flourish and be great. But that will never happen with the current people in power.
NATO expansion had nothing to do with it? If the tides ever turn it'll be fun to see how the west reacts surrounded by China and Russia. NATO should have been abolished after it's need was over at the end of the cold war.
@@biodiversityfanatic2454 What's wrong with NATO, please tell me? All countries within are flourishing, civilized, modernized,... It's not even aggressive towards any other country outside of it... And don't worry about China, it won't be backing Russia, it will make them their bitch after their economy goes to shit...
@@jordysteyaert8055 Libya and the middle east disagree. Also I'm sick of this low key white supremacists language of being "civilized" like moment you leave Europe you enter the stone age. I make it clear Europeans should be able to ally for defense. You don't need a imperialist organization like NATO for that.
You have the vernacular of a 12 year old school girl.
10 months later it happened
Well, that happened.
I would like a source on the claim that Finland and Sweden are financing PKK with hundreds of millions of dollars. These would be huge sums of money for such small countries - the entire Finnish annual defense budget for 2022 is 5 billion dollars. According to the Finnish foreign ministry, the total aid intended for Syria for the years 2021-2024 amounts to 30 million euros, which is directed mostly to UN-run efforts. The idea that shadowy lobbyists would be influencing the least corrupt governments in the world to such an extent would certainly be a big scandal!
Yeah, we want sources for this information.
Give! Us! The sauce!
I think, given that Caspian is Azerbaijani, he may have a lopsided view on the Kurdish-Turkish issue
Its probably a lie, Turkey likes to play both sides. They are a wildcard.
I think this is a relatively rare case of the host’s personal biases seeping in to what is otherwise a balanced video. It’s identical to the spam-like posting by Turkish nationalists all over the internet rushing to give Erdogan cover for his histrionics and chest beating to strong arm Sweden and Finland to deport political refugees and journalists who are in exile to escape political persecution in Turkey.
I like Caspian Report generally, but this was a low point.
PKK has AT-4s and M16 - M4 so something has happened in terms of lethhal support. But still 🦃 has done worse shady stuff.
If only Putin had not attacked Ukraine, Finland and Sweden wouldn't have asked to join NATO. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Nato would have expanded anyway
Wow, geopolitics is so simple. Congrats you can now run as president of your country. Well said Sir.
@@caven7056 Nope, NATO relies on it's members to join by their own free will. Support for NATO in Finland and Sweden before the invasion was hovering around 20-30% now it's up to 70% putting pressure on it's politicians which in turn applied.
only if ukraine didn't try to join nato thus establish american nukes on russian border less than 3 minutes from moscow, they wouldn't be invaded.
american missiles in lithuania, estonia and latvia and nuclear missiles in turkey were already causing tensions on russian border, they just added fuel to fire.
tho i don't blame zelensky, cia would've assassinated him if he stopped bioweapon labs and bombings of russian schools and hospitals in luhansk and donyetsk
@@babla69420 The reason Ukraine was seeking NATO membership was due to Russian attempts at undermining its sovereignty. The Ukrainian army didn't even begin operations in Donbas until nearly a whole 2 months after Russia escalated tensions by seizing Crimea. Not to mention, Putin himself outright said he believes Ukraine should not exist as an independent state, and that all of its territory is rightfully part of Russia. Putin would have invaded eventually whether or not NATO was involved in anything.
A possible idea for a companion video to this one is analyzing Sweden's decision to join NATO. As you stated in this video, after Russia invaded Ukraine, in a matter of weeks, decades of neutrality was over. But in neighboring Sweden, in the same amount of time, centuries of neutrality was over.
Finland joined today! historic day for NATO. thanks for showing why its such a big deal
But this speculation seems so alarmist compared to the facts on the ground. Finland would never attack Russia or agree to attack even under pressure, because Finland is militarily and societally entirely focused on defensive posture and politically still desires to have good relations with Russia. And NATO would never attack Russia without Russia attacking it first. So the initiative would always be on the Russian side, and thus the only thing Russia needs to do to defend itself is to avoid attacking first. But who knows if Russia can do that.
that is simpleton view ...the point is not attack or defence but make you enemy go bankrupt by defence spending ...
If you would have asked anyone of would Russia attack Ukraine? they would have told that's not possible as 50% of Ukraine see Russia favourably but a decade later here we are.
@@rb98769 You're incorrect that is not correct, NATO is defensive alliance, member countrys will not stay defensive but NATO will. ✌️
By members "not stay defensive" is in the context of retaliation of offensive attacks on them or foreign assets ✌️
@@udhayakumarMN You only go bankrupt by defence spending if you are an absolute idiot lol. There is something called 'diplomacy' that alot of countries use to not militarise their entire borders with neighbours.
Actually, the move towards Nato started earlier in late 2021 when Putin started to demand "legal guarantees" of not expanding. To this, President Niinistö replied:
"Decisions on new members joining will be taken by the applicant country and Nato's thirty member states, and decisions on membership are for the applicant and Nato countries to decide."
This attempt to try to decide over their neighbours policies, something we had to endure way too much living next to the Soviet Union, was the tipping point. After this, Russia responded that there would be "serious military and political consequences if we join" which really made nato an everyday discussion, causing the NATO support polls to skyrocket.
If Russia didn't try to interfere and threaten with us in public, I'm pretty sure the Nato support would be significantly lower. Another massive failure of Russian foreign policy.
Tell this to millions of Russians that you killed in attempt to spread your "beautiful" Europe to Russia. Russia demanded post-fascist counties do not deploy armies and ballistic weapon near borders of Russia. You made your choice, and you will have consequences of your choice.
Russian leadership just can't get over the "Bam-Bam" mentality of diplomacy. Well, that won't work anymore now that the world has seen how pathetic the Russian military is. Maybe some day Russian leadership will understand how the civilized world operates. I guarantee China won't be pushed around by threats from a short pipsqueak in Moscow.
@@a.oshankar8741 There is no contradiction. The issue of joining is between the applicant and NATO. By demanding that nations aren't allowed to join, this is a demand to relinquish some of their sovereignty to Russia, as then they wouldn't be free to decide their own policies as far as national security went.
@@a.oshankar8741 Russia is part of defensive military alliance too, so we can be too if we so choose.
Delusional
Oops Finland has joined NATO!
Russia invading neigbours to convince other neigbours from joining an alliance that would protect them from being invaded be like:
In the mid-long run, I don't think Finland's problems will be attempted invasions. I believe Russia will go in for pure terrorism - making demands on neutral neighbours, and retaliating by shelling schools near the border if the demands are not met.
If we were not about to join NATO, I am convinced Russia would do something like that within three to five years. It's a low cost, low risk operation with potential reward. Article five makes it an insane cost, insane risk operation with a small potential reward.
There supposed to just take getting cucked by NATO right? Divide them there subhuman orcs anyways right?
So no context included in your assessment about Ukraine murdering thoussnds of Russians in the Donbass region for 8 years?
@@FCB09daBEST Sry, russian bot, your lie isn't tollerated here.
@@FCB09daBEST Russian propaganda spread by the Russian backed terrorists in eastern Ukraine.
"nuclear-free Baltic region" is such a dumb thing to say, the Baltic region is currently not nuclear-free so this threat is pointless.
Well officially Russia still claims that there are no nukes in Kaliningrad but...yea.
@@yt45204 Bro I must be imagining It as well. These people are really pushing the boundaries of peace
@@yt45204 I mean, the missiles travel much faster if they are closer to their targets, giving less time for the opposing side to react. Also not all Russian nukes are ICBMs. They have a lot of missiles for ahorter ranges.
NATO will not be doing surprise attacks, it's a defensive alliance
2+ months later after all that has happend this video still holds up very well, bravo!
You left out the major detail that the UK has been the most openly supportive of Finland and Sweden's choice to join, signing mutual security agreements with each while they wait for unanimous approval, unlike Germany or even the US. With these, any attack on either of these nations will already spark a multilateral defensive reaction from Britain then the rest of the West.
Britain need it because it is no longer part of nato
Germany abs Finland abs Sweden already have a militarily alliance through EU
@@lXlElevatorlXl Britain is still a part of NATO. The EU is not a military alliance.
@@tastyfalcon1788 I meant EU not nato
EU is not but has a defense clausel so it is also some kind of security agreement
UK is the most important nation of Europe. They show leadership that France and Germany have always lacked.
@@tinto278 Don't be absurd. Are they an important nation, yes - because they can launch an expeditionary war and fight any two militaries in the world simultaneously. Yes because they hold the worlds sixth largest economy, and launder money through what remains of their tax havens.. I mean empire. This gives them great power across the second and third world. But in the first world, they are considered an equal of France and Germany, nothing more.
Putin felt proud repeating a quote: "Those who don't take risks, don't drink champagne." He forgot the second part of the quote: "But those who take risks also can lose it all." He was too confident on the champagne part, my guess.
bluffing in poker also needs a good hand once in a while
Honestly, externality considerations aside, with the world in disarray with COVID; it was probably now or never.
Unfortunately Russia didn't pursue more diplomatic/trade alliances and relied too much on being a bully with nuclear arms. Someone who truly cared for his country would fall on their sword at this point. He has damned Russia for a century or more.
Nor is it clear the west will come out of this unscathed. Maybe there is some 4D chess going on, but I doubt it.
@@dustx and unfortunately for him his was called
You could say he was already drunk on it.
I think the problem for Putin even if he has the IQ of a 190 he's got the wisdom of a donkey and the emotional intelligence of a toddler.
Even the most calculated narcissist is prone to magical thinking and this magical thinking often causes them to be very gullible and easy to manipulate. They can come across as almost shockingly naïve in some situations.
We've all heard the saying "If something is too good to be true, it probably is." Pathologically narcissistic people have never found something too good to be true, at least not initially. They become seduced by the reward and focus on that to the exclusion of everything else. It isn't that they don't know unscrupulous people exist, or that humans sometimes manipulate other humans; of course they know that. Not only do they do it, but even if they are unaware of their own behavior, they often believe others are doing it to them (or attempting to do it) all the time. It's that they want it to be true or real, and in the world of the narcissist, feelings equal facts. It's real because they feel it is. It's true because they feel it is.
People with very strong narcissistic pathology are like children in many ways. Children have no experience or wisdom to draw upon or with which to know better, but because their feelings overwhelm their reason easily. The difference is that most children will learn from experience as they mature. Pathologically narcissistic people don't seem to mature in this way and therefore, they do not learn from their experiences. They rarely seem to master control over impulses and feelings. What they wants more important than anything. Consequences are not fully considered.
They do have adult cognition, but it's so affected by their perception that it's often useless in these situations. Nothing that disagrees with their desires or feelings will be acknowledged, and if it is pointed out, it will be justified, rationalized or otherwise made irrelevant if it gets in the way of their pursuit of what they want. This is dangerous, as we can see in the often constant self-sabotage and crises these personalities manage to provoke in their own lives. All they can see is what they want and in many situations, this results in a kind of gullibility that seems to contradict their suspicious nature.
well, it just happened...
And now they are in. LETS GO FINLAND!!! 🇺🇸🇫🇮🇺🇸🇫🇮💪🏻💪🏻
NATO: Boi, we're really losing purpose in the world now with the soviet union gone and no real enemies ... we might just dissolve soon.
Russia: NATO is just too threatening, I need to dissolve it somehow. I know ... let me invade ukraine and threaten war if they don't disband.
NATO: WE MUST STAND TOGETHER! UNITED IN PURPOSE!
Russia: Well FUUUUUU
Haha
We create our own worst enemies.
I don't think the USA would just "let" important countries leave NATO.
@@stormaflu4632 will the CIA try to cassualy coax them back? :P what do you think lol
But if they are determined ... they can leave ... probably ...
It seems that they are really already in that situation anyway. I don't think anyone would consider Finland or Sweden to be neutral. They are basically the same thing as a western European country. If there was a bigger war they would always side against Russia even before the Ukraine conflict.
That and in the grand scheme of things, A third world war will lead to nuclear annihilation likely for many countries. All these world leaders building up their militaries is a very bad sign of a major war in the works. Similar thing happened with WW1, all these countries had massive armies and some eastern european drama caused a world war, history repeating itself a little over 100 years later
Finland & Sweden are EU States. Of course they are NOT neutral! Everyone knows that. The difference with NATO is that the US & Britain will have the legal obligation to intervene, in case of Russian aggression. At the moment, they don’t.
The point is not wether the’d help to invade Russia. Russia was never under any threat from NATO. The point is that Russia wants to keep pushing east but it knows it can’t invade any NATO country. That’s why it quickly invaded Ukraine before it joined.
Russia is the expansionist aggressor power. Don’t forget that.
It’s about taking more counties off the menu for Russia, not about building a bigger invasion force against Russia.
No country in Europe wants to take any land from Russia. It has nothing anyone wants. It’s a pathetic country.
@@chrisc2671 you say that but NATO just got done completely destroying the middle east over false pretenses. Sure they might not have any intention to invade russia. But to assume that NATO is only a defensive force is to assume you werent paying attention to anything for 20+ years.
Fearing NATO at your border is not unwarranted. They are a military alliance that has shown insane aggression towards the middle east over oil and toppled governments to install "(democracy)" making them much worse off than they were previously. You can say they are a defensive force all you want but that is just false. Does it justify invasion of a country that wanted to join nato? Im not sure, but it makes a lot more sense to keep ukraine as a neutral zone rather than increase tensions by expanding NATO's border to a country understandably fearful of them
@@oneiropagides342 what's 2 more when you've got 30+ EU states as enemies lol? It's like saying to someone 96 lions are coming after you and then correcting and saying they're 100. Like he'd give a F if 4 more are added. Nato is leading world or in particular EU towards disaster! This needed clear cut diplomacy like we had after WW2 but Sleepy Joe and democrats have other ideas.
Its done. You loose again, Russia
Lose*
Зачем нам такой мир, если там не будет России? В. В. Путин
Because the world can live without Russia, but Russia needs the world.
Or do you want to indicate that the Russian oligarchy is suicidal and doesn't want to enjoy the spoils of their crimes?
🤺🤯🤣
Finland and Sweden will get full NATO security
They already sort of do; until Finland and Sweden's NATO application gets rejected or accepted, the UK will guarantee their security. If the UK goes to war, NATO will follow.
"A Nuclear free baltic" ??? Methinks they conveniently forgot to mention the Kaliningrad enclave which certainly has nukes.
Yeah, but Its a enclave. Lots of european defenses are informed about the Kaliningrad enclave. Also, It probably has some nukes, but very small numbers. Like nonexsistent, since it would be a strategic liabbility.
@@prypiatshadow6371 probably. Likely. Lol
Kaliningrad is an Exclave not an enclave.
kaliningrad has a ton of nukes
@@123dan165 who, asked
Just a comment to your map regarding the Lappland war of 1944. Norway was never allied with Germany, it was invaded and occupied, and then used as a staging ground for the attack on the USSR.
This needs to be made clear before the Qanon grab hold of that statement and then no one will ever hear the end of it.
was looking for this comment!
%100, Canada helped train Norwegian soldiers and The Norwegian Navy helped protect the trans Atlantic shipping convoys and Norwegian soldiers were allies freeing their people and land from Nazi occupation. Norway was not part of the axis of evil
It's insane to even distort a fact like that, Norway is literally the closest thing to a country first to fight against the Axis if It weren't for Poland already.
@@dusk6159 Literally first? Norway declared itself neutral in September 1939 and wasn't invaded until April 1940, along with Denmark, yet the UK and France declared war in 1939 in support of Poland, quickly joined by Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. France attacked Germany in 1939, though it didn't come to much, and for the rest of the Allies the war was mostly fought at sea until the invasion of Norway, when land forces were sent in support. In the meantime Finland fought the Winter War against the Soviet Union, at a time when Germany and the USSR were in a co-operation pact if not an alliance.
5:02 - Caspian Report labels Norway as ' German allied ' when ' German occupied ' would be a more accurate description. 'Allied' implies collaboration. Quisling was indeed a deluded collaborator but his party never got more than 2% of the votes in an election. The overwhelming number of Norwegians did not support the German occupation. The neglected Norwegian army fought a defensive campaign for 2 months against impossible odds. That's a more dogged resistance than you will find in most other Nazi-invaded countries. 'German allied' my ass!
Ah yes. The Norwegians were innocent. Sure....
@@scintillam_dei Overall, yes. However every occupied nation had collaboration, Poland, Soviet Ukraine, Belarus, the Balkan nations, and many others. In Skandanavia, there were waffen-ss units in Norway, and the Finn's collaborated and partnered with the Germans.
@@scintillam_dei
Troll
Karelia and kolay are finnish
"For Finns sweating more in peace time means bleeding less in war time" loved that quote, amazing video my brother!
It's an old Rommel quote "sweat spares blood "
@@TwistedNerve1 Also one that's still used in finnish defense forces, atleast in jäeger batallions. Wise words.
@@TwistedNerve1 spares
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True. I was reading it myself thinking "there is something wrong with it, but i can't point it out "
I Still Don't know why Finland and Sweden really scared about
Norway a German ally during WW2 is completely wrong. With this logic, France was also an ally of Germany during WW2.
They weren't a German ally, they were invaded and occupied by the Germans in 1940.
Well Vichy France was.
Free France had questionable legitimacy.
This whole argumentation is stupid. Allys can change with time. To say that Finland needs denazification after a long gone conflict has no legitimate reason.
Same argument would be, why was the UK helping France in WW1, even if they had hundreds of years wars before.
Now I'm happy to (nearly) welcome Finland and Sweden into NATO. I hope that this will further weaken Moscow into collapse, to bring finally peace to Europe!
@@jbrittels804 collapse of the russian state?
There is a high chance if fhis happens that russia becomes even more radical or even a chinese puppet state
Many native Norwegians collaborated with the occupying Germans
Well produced and informative video, thanks very much.
Your videos are of the highest order, absolutely fantastic.
Finland and Sweden have been NATO allies from the beginning anyway so they're already integrated with the alliance on a practical level.
cooperated with NATO, not “NATO allies”
@@sinoroman Sweden and the UK built the NLAW together and NATO has been sharing intelligence and coordinating air defense with them since the Cold War. They aren't NATO members but they conduct drills with NATO forces. Everyone knows whose side they've been on since WW2.
@Angry _ It does not. Both countries were neutral. Nato countries cannot stay neutral in case of one Nato country is attacked. That's the basic, yet fundamental, difference between cooperating with Nato and been in the Alliance.
thinking that cooperation is alliance is a false positive since it’s not always the case
@Angry _ 2 status mean completly different duties and obligations. Like Russia and China seem like best friend forever but they are not obligated to do anything if other in trouble
Actually it was the UK that first offered to come to Finlands & Sweden's AID if Russia attacked then America followed
As have most other European nations in the region.
@@nutyyyy Yeap! yesterday Norway and the other Scandinavian countries and Then Poland today
fun fact: UK technically declared a war against finland in ww2.[1] and now they were the first to jump the bullet for us.
Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin'
[1] as a result of the advancing offensive in East Karelia, Britain declared war on Finland in December 1941, mainly because of Joseph Stalin's influence on Winston Churchill during the Soviet Union's difficult defensive battles against Germany in Moscow.
also as a result, it was also the time when relations with the US were the most strained in Finnish history they´ve ever been.
we soon stopped advancing as a result and just stayed put for years 1942-1944 on a period called the trench warfare period. until eventual soviet offensive made us retreat in summer of 1944.
Love your hockey. From Canada with love.
Very informative, thanks!
"Day 85 of my 3 day war. Finland and Sweden about to join NATO. I remain a master strategist"
Turkey: no.
@@salahabdalla368 so? ;))
Where did everyone get this 3 days bullshit thing? Can someone please provide a real source?
@@muraddagWTFBBQ2 lets see, Kyiv Airport, 60km of armour snaking to Kyiv, Crimea, failed assassination of Volodymyr Zelenskyy..
@@muraddagWTFBBQ2 I think you're right.. I tried finding it and the closest was that Putin claimed he could take Kiev in 2 weeks, back in 2014. The only source I find for 2/3 days in this war is from the CIA, which claims that it was stated in Putin's plans (secret I guess), but hasn't been said by Putin.
In fact, it turns out that US intelligence predicted that Kiev would fall within a few days of invasion.
That being said.. "Day 85 of my 3 day war" is quite funny, clearly more of a humorous statement than an argument in a debate, so doesn't really need to be sourced or 100% accurate..
Greece would veto the ascension of Sweden and Finland to NATO ??? So far there have been no remarks nor statements from the goverment odjecting to this, to the contrary it welcomes such a move.
I need more details on this statement, what are your sources on this matter ?
Turkey have protested, but not Greece.
For me as a Swede I realy hope we don't fold for the demands from Turkey.
@@magnuslundstedt2659 i hope you do because why tf is Sweden and finland openly supporting our enemies why would we let them in if they support our fucking enemies. sweden even send 368 million dollar of funding to SDF-YPG organizations YPG is linked to PKK.
@@crpse-qf6rh as long as Turkey demand that we give up human rights and our democracy I realy hope we won't.
@@magnuslundstedt2659 extreme times require extreme measures. You will have to give Erdogan something or he will veto the appliance...
@@magnuslundstedt2659 Why not? We do business with countries like Saudi Arabia and China turning a blind eye to their transgressions and human rights abuses.. Why is it a big deal if we do the same for Turkey?
wow I love your new opening graphics!
That's another great video.
Swedes and Finns are top lads and I'm happy to have them in NATO.
Tell me, what are the plans once they join?
@@yurichtube1162 find false flag to conquer Russia
@@yurichtube1162 we stand United against Russia and China obviously.
@@yurichtube1162
Drinks 🍻🍺🥂
@@grunthostheflatulent9649 drinks? Or nato bases on Finland's border with Russia, agitating Russia more? We're sacrificing good will towards Russia, we will have to say goodbye to cheap Russian fuel making prices forever high. We're going to an ugly future.
The politico-economic order which sustains Putin in office has ironically led to Russia's incapacity to project geopolitical influence. The deliberate system of corruption has led to economic stagnation, military incompetence and an absence of a culture of innovation which defined the rise of superpowers like Britain, the US and even China. The Kremlin is fighting a 19th century war of territorial expansion with early 20th century tactics - it was never going to work in the modern international order when multilateral systems and relative Western unity allows for the rapid and effective transfer of resources to favourable belligerents. Curtailing information from the public doesn't just make them ignorant of reality - it makes the leadership hopelessly overestimate their ability too.
Насчёт экспансии, Американцам виднее, они в этом деле настоящие профи и ковровые бомбардировки городов устроят и расстрел мирных жителей, их даже просить не нужно они сами к вам придут. А тут прослеживаются серьёзные успехи в искорении таких националистических объедений как Азов, Айдар, Правый Сектор и других ублюдков. Но вот в чем проблема: успехи не показывают по телевизору в западном "демократическом" мире.
Troof delivered. Mic dropped. Ronan out!
What you said is the truth but Russians have enough nukes to wipe both Ukraine Finland off the earth and joining nato and as they said would be a red line for them and they would do whatever they seems required to keep their strategic standoff capability with Americans. Ukraine was attacked because Ukraine joining nato would make black sea fleet strategically incompetent(not that this war has made it strategically relevant though they lost multiple significant ships) but as you used to say they will do what is strategically relevant for them. 🍿
@@arceusthomas2447 every building in Finland by law has to build a bunker under it. Finland has enough bunkers to safeguard it's entire population, not only that but Russia risks nuclear fallout from their own nukes due to proximity along with being turned to ash by NATO's own nukes. Nuking Finland would be proof that Russians from birth have brain damage
@@alexrowe7063 every building might have a bunker but most of the infrastructure would be destroyed. And at the end of the day do they have underground airbase as well? They might be ok with the fallout who knows.
You are wonderful as usual 👏
13:37 You see that bit of Denmark that's almost touching Sweden right where the passage between the two countries is the most narrow, on the island? That's roughly where the capital is. As a Danish citizen this bit just gave me major "Oh shit this is getting close to home" feelings.
Sweden and Finland handed in their NATO applications to Stoltenberg yesterday. There is video of it.
And Turkey veto’d them both?
@@realsaxual2357 Turkey said they plan to veto (but don't think they have officially yet).
@@gustavju4686 they vetoed the negotiations
@@realsaxual2357 and Finland and Sweden will negotiate it. if they say yes in a month there hardly is any difference
@@realsaxual2357 Turkey exploits the situation for concessions. And I bet they'll get them. Shitty move, but our Finnish and Swedish brothers are worth concessions, even to the Erdogan, the scumlord.
A "nuclear free Baltic region" seems a little pointless when Russia has a huge stockpile in the Kola peninsula
this video is poointless, it changes nothing, they will just move it
Doesn't Russia already have nukes in Kaliningrad?
What does it even matter where the nukes are located as they can hit any target around the globe in a blink of an eye.
@@daimonien When talking about the Baltics it's reference to tactical (short range) nukes, not the intercontinental missiles and long range stategic bombers. Though it's widely suspected that Russia have tactical nukes in Kaliningrad, so the talk about "a nuclear free Baltic region" is BS anyways.
In contrast, when talking about the Kola peninsula, it is a reference to intercontinental missiles and long range stategic bombers.
It's not the presence of nukes that is dangerous.
It's the proximity of opposing camps to one another.
It's like having football hooligans for two opposing teams living near each other.
They are going to fight, sooner or later.
That's why neutral buffer states are a good idea.
And it's even good for them.
They don't have the expense or the worry of maintaining a big military or lots of weapons.
They can get along with their neighbors without tension.
There are many advantages and few drawbacks.
Great content. Thank you.
Excellent Episode!
Russia: we dont want NATO near us.
And they think other countries want to be near Russia?
Being neighbor to russia is constant headache.
@@somebody2468 I can imagine :D
"Unlike the Baltics, Finland *refused* NATO membership" This phrasing makes it sound like the Baltics were forced into NATO. Which isn't true by any means. They applied for membership. They wanted to become NATO members on their own, free decission.
If anything out there forced them to do that, than it's their own wish for being protected from Russia and Russias behavoir towards its neighbours in general.
Doesnt sound like forced to me
As someone from Baltics I'd like to point out. We were infact forced into NATO, but not by NATO. By russia...
A tiny country that has no real military defence capabilities (in comparison to russia), HAD no choice but join NATO when existing next to russia.
If 50 occupation years (and another 300 years of Tsarist Russia history) have shown anything, it's that no small country exists next to Russia for long.
Our choices were: Don't join NATO and be eventually absorbed by Russia once more (as likely would have been case by now, had we not joined NATO). An option I can guarantee no LATVIAN (we shall not count Russians left in Latvia after the soviets left) would agree to settle on.
Or...
Join NATO.
All this because Russias pure existance forced us to choose between Russia and NATO.
Noone is forced into NATO. Well, except Finland and Sweden. They are forced by Putin :P
@Milk Guzzler So why did russia not invade baltics instead of Ukraine? If NATO just puts s big target on them why Russia not aiming for it? Simple... It works. And frankly, had Baltics not joined NATO, they WOULD have been ones invaded instead of Ukraine...
@Milk Guzzler How else is it possible for a small nation, to defend itself against a gigant, like for example Russia? Prayers? Submission? Chechnya, Georgia and now Ukraine proof, that Russia has a keen interest in aggressive expansion and that those small nations are unable to defend against that and that "neutrality" doesn't help you anyways. Hell, NATO membership might even prevent such a situation in the first place. Watch Russian news shows and you can see, that the idea to attack the Baltics and Finland is communicated and proclaimed as a realistic option towards the Russian audience. Read Putins essay regarding the "errors after the fall of the Soviet Union" and you can see, that he is indeed interested in conquer those countries.
Finland sounds like a smart grounded people, we could do with some of that on board
Another excellent video most informative.
BRUH! Norway was never German allied, we were occupied! sure there was some sympathizers that established a puppet government after the occupation, but we were never allied, and resistance continued throughout via partisan warfare. The Nazi sympathizers were tried and mostly executed after the liberation. The resistance assisted the brits in a lot of important sabotage missions, among them the sinking of Blucher in the Oslo fjord! The royal family fled to Britain and established a proxy government there while the country itself was occupied. They absolutely denied surrender, so did the majority of the population. "German allied" pff! my nuts are all in a twist lol!
He also called Stalin a thinker.
Also newsflash. In a war scenario, Finland and Sweden would have shared their Naval intelligence with NATO long before joining.
They also share nuke payload from Russia!
@@targe4070 Thats fine. The Nuclear submarines are closeby and Russia can do nothing about them. They know when you launch one within 2 seconds of launch and they can retaliate within 45 seconds. So moskov will pretty much be obliterated at the same time as them.
@@baronhelmut2701 Big kaboom! All Europe dead, Rise of China!!
The idea that Sweden must join NATO before sharing intelligence is absurd. It has long been a US intelligence outpost -- just ask Julian Assange.
@@targe4070 not really 🤣😂 it’s more like big kaboomS 89% of NATO gone 100% of Russia gone, 100% China gone.
Today Finland joins NATO !!!
And Russia still looks as incompetent as when the video was published. Unfortunately the war is still ongoing and so is the battle of Bakhmut.
"We're trying to prevent western expansion" - Putin
_[Speeds up western expansion by giving those sitting on the fence a good reason to join]_
That's the next big issue after Finland becomes a full NATO memberstate: What NATO military infrastructure will be build and maintained there? I'm pretty sure the US would love to slap down early warning radar installations and ICBM interceptors in northern Finland. This would seriously diminish Russia's strategic nuclear deterrence... but this would make the Russian bear very unhappy and undoubtedly countermeasures would be taken.
Finland would never allow Nukes to be stationed here since that doesn't help us at all and would just make Russia pissed. But interceptors? yeah why not.
@@franklinclinton4539 radars and interceptor are not nukes
Russias countermeasures="We don't like what you do so we gonna try to bully you with empty threats"
Anything except Nukes
@@perskarva123 We'll see how empty they'll be, smartass
If Sweden and Finland join NATO, Russia doesn't have much to counter. Central Asian nations have shown to be hesitant to support Russia in all of this, and with such a vast front opened and the Baltic basically lost to Russia, on top of the Ukraine situation becoming increasingly dire and well short of their goals, Russia has sorta stalemate themselves.
@@basilmagnanimous7011 Didn't China Uncensored just make a video about China attempting to create a military alliance?
well if russia gets invaded by everyone in some dumb move. china is going to help them they dont want another enemy in their doorstep
@@basilmagnanimous7011 I doubt that'll happen because 1) they don't see NATO as their enemy, only Russia does, and 2) Kazakstan, the biggest and most developed/wealthy of those countries has no interest in picking a side.
They're probably the only country in the world with great relations with Russia, the US, and China at the same time.
Those countries also benefit from friendly relations with Kazakstan.
Russia and the US have their shared spaceship launching site there and China needs a friendly, stable country to build their Belt & Road Iniciative infrastructure to trade with Europe and Africa.
@@basilmagnanimous7011 they do (or are supposed to), csto. The problem is that in reality they aren't really united, with each having their own, usually opposing, goals. They don't even have any common enemies(only Russia views NATO negatively in the region, with several distancing themselves from Russia and closer to the west and china)
I’m pretty sure Turkey will veto Sweden joining NATO as they currently sanction Turkey.
The Helsinki Accords are dead because of Putin’s invasion. Leaving the Spirit of Helsinki and Urho Kekkonen's peace heart broken.
Now it looks like they’re suffering for breaking an agreement that began with Finland 🇫🇮 and ended with Ukraine 🇺🇦.
The helenski accords werent broken
It didnt state that Russia cant invade any other country, so Finland is the one who broke it
greetings fellow Kraut viewer
@@salahabdalla368 the Helsinki accords were never made with Russia. They were made with a country that no longer exists. Thus said accords is no longer in effect.
Well done. Thorough and understandable.
Valteri Bottas is my favorite Finn 🏎🇫🇮