When it comes to most products from the U.S., the front of the bottle is written by the marketing team and the back of the bottle is written by the lawyers.
I recently purchased some Brake Buster here in Australia. I use it with the IK Foamer 2 and find it to be fantastic when used at 1:5. I wash my vehicles weekly and just use an iron remover once a month or so. Brake Buster offers a very good value (works well, good price) and using it with the Foamer is quick and easy. Win/Win/Win as far as I'm concerned.
This product has been my go to tire/wheel cleaner since I first tried it months ago, although I have plenty of Auto-Fanatic foaming wheel cleaner as well, so it's also in the mix. My mix is 3:1 but I really need to go back up to 5 1 to stretch out the value as I clean my wheels atleast once a week. Btw I'm using the orange tip in both my IK Foam Pro2 and the IK 1.5. Keep up the good work John🇺🇸👍
Ive used the autofanatic wheel cleaner which is great!! But nd heres a big but... the cost of it is way to much for way u get 49 dollas plus shipping is just out of hand!! P/s is 16bucks for a gallon and u can dilute 5/1 so thats 5 gallons for 16 dollars i mean the choice is pretty clear!!! And it sucks cuz i like phil from autofan.. but i gotta look out for my pocket!!!
Love the review, the best thing about it is no more rusting brake discs. It’s such a good degreaser that it’s one product for arches, tyres and wheels. I even use it on bumper bugs if I’m in a hurry. Cheers Jon.
Hey John - I believe you have the best auto detail channel on TH-cam - Very intelligently done! I understand this is an older video... Hopefully someone or yourself can answer how one cleans their expensive brushes with caked on black break dust, and everything else that one cleans off dirty wheels - I've used the actual cleaner foam from Eagle one, Dawn dish soap and a mixture of microfiber cleaner with a laundry detergent and I'm seemingly making very slow progress if at all.. Much appreciated and again, excellent videos sir !!!!
brustle brushes I just blast out at the end of each wash... some of my other brushes have removable heads like incredibrush that can go in the washing machine. I just use surfex to clean most of these things.
Great review!!! P&S was the first place I went for detailing supplies almost 20 years ago (I think it was their only retail store in the US at the time) I always got great advice and Carl was always willing to point me in the right direction. Hell, I remember doing a speech on detailing for a college class and asked if he could find me some Carnuba to pass around. Next thing I know I'm rocking a bottle of carnauba flake (I think I still have it kicking around somewhere :) ).
Hmm Bilberry neat on Gtechniq C5 coated alloys never seems to get the grease off, i keep having to resort back to Bilt Hamber Auto Wheel to get the job done!
I haven't tried a APC but I have to say I found a wheel cleaner which I think beats BH auto wheels in cleaning power. It's called fast shot wheel cleaner and slims detailing sell it in a sample bottle or a gallon bottle.
This is a great product for the price. I buy it by the gallon and it only cost me $20 for the gallon. Yep we call them Rotors and you did in the video also so you are just as crazy as us! 😜 Great breakdown of the product! I have noticed that the rust inhibitors can leave the sidewalks of the tires a little chalky looking.
After trying and working with several of these non-acidic wheel cleaners, I can say that fallout removers are still a way to go. Cleaners such as this one, Chemical Guys Signature, Diablo, etc. are never gonna clean the wheel the way fallout remover does, plus you're going to spend hell of a more time cleaning and brushing the wheels and sometimes I just don't feel like spending an hour on the wheels because I've got a whole car to get to, and quite a bit of work planned on the paint. I don't know, sometimes, if the wheel is somewhat dirty, I'd use it, for any medium to heavy contamination, iron/fallout remover is much better option in my opinion.
@James O'Brien Hi there. All valid points, indeed and I agree with majority of them. However, I didn't say I enjoy working with iron removers, it's just that to me, are far more effective in getting the job done. Now, I hate them. I hate the smell (always have to work outdoors and "down the wind" sort of saying), hate that I have to wear quality protection (gloves) which does convey that you're dealing with harsh chemicals. How harsh? Nobody can tell for sure. Maybe we're exaggerating, maybe they're no more harmful than bleach people die their hair with, but you gotta do these things to be on the safe side. I've researched a lot and the only product that does a great job at cleaning the wheel and it's nice to work with is Auto Fanatic's wheel foam, but that's hard to come by, at least in Europe. I don't think it's even being sold here. Long story short, I haven't tried the break buster (waiting for P&S as well to distribute their products outside of UK), but from the video, I could see how much effort Jon is putting in to clean those wheels and it's the same story every non-acid wheel cleaner. You're going to spend an hour, easy, and you have to have a wheel bucket with soap, several brushes, which makes the car cleaning process longer and messier. Half of the time, I'm not up to that. Can't be bothered staying an hour or more doing wheels only. Iron remover helps you get it done quicker. By the way, rims do look shinier when done with iron remover than with non-acid cleaner. To me at least.
@James O'Brien Instead of being speculatively afraid of iron removers' impacts, take some time to learn about them. A lot of your safety and environmental concerns will disappear when you consider the relatively minuscule amounts of sodium thiosulfate (the active ingredient in all iron removers) being used. You can still feel as you do about the practicalities of working with them, but these products aren't unsafe for you or for the environment in the tiny amounts and concentrations we're using them in, and I say this as a very passionate environmentalist. In any case, if you're concerned about your exposure, wear some glasses, gloves, and a mask. Just because a different wheel cleaner doesn't have sodium thiosulfate in it doesn't mean it's any better to have unnecessary exposure to it when reducing your risks is as simple as throwing some PPE on, and I say THIS as a professional mobile auto detailer who has a lot of exposure to detailing chemicals.
@James O'Brien Please share with me what your doctors have said about your exposure to sodium thiosulfate (or perhaps some other product in your arsenal is [also] to blame?), what effects it has had on you, and what practices lead you to a level capable of those effects. Please cite a source implicating the proper use of sodium thiosulfate in detailing in environmental damage (industrial levels can be very harmful but are an entirely different and unrelated issue). I'm always looking out for long-term dangers especially since this industry caters toward casual enthusiasts far more than professionals who are using these products every day. I simply have not found any information to suggest that modern iron removers (sodium thiosulfate; maybe you've used some other chemical in your 30 years? I've only been doing this for about 16) are dangerous.
Its hard for an imported product to be a. close price as the country of manufacturing as the importing country has to pay transport, import taxes, VAT and still try to make some profit out of it. Thats the thing with detailing products in Portugal (my country). You pay many times double or triple of the price here in the UK for example. And if you live in the islands (Azores, Madeira, Porto Santo...then its even more expensive as you have postage on top of that) Jon, do you ever heard about K2 car care products? They are a polish brand. They seem to be quite good. I just bought a paste wax from them and I cant wait to try it out. The smell is unbelievable. Makes you want to eat it. Lol
Put something like P&S Brake Buster in a pump sprayer to produce snow foam, then spray underneath the car to help with rot, as it has rust inhibitors aspart of the ingredients
yer I use APC mate about 15p a litre when mixed down. Cant see me switching to a chemical that costs like 15 pounds a litre (thats not 10 times the price thats 100 times the price.. that does not mean the PandS product is bad but you get the idea. Its just surfactant.
Hi Jon, no doubt a top product for dirty wheels. I uploaded a video on my channel 6 months ago and my preference is to use this at 5-1 through an IK foamer
G Willis it’s madness, I use valet Pro APC which is fine when done regularly. The 5 litres has lasted forever and that’s using it for everything else too.
Andrea ditto, honestly so many of these products are gimmicks. I make my own glass cleaner now too with IPA, Deionised water and a touch of APC, cheap as chips and works better then most I’ve used.
This stuff can give you reasonable value. At 5:1 and with the gallon sizes. the price is ok in the UK, price is very strong in the UK. yes you can get cheaper. I still use surfex to clean my alloys. but I think this might have some more kick on solids.
I use it 50/50 in foam cannon probably could do a more diluted ratio works decent but brake rotors still rust some people say it solves the rust problem
Just searched this video as I bought some of this. Found it great as a tyre cleaner but general apc such as g101 car plan trade multi purpose etc cleans wheels better
G101is caustic and contains sodium hydroxide. Spray it on unpainted calipers in the summer and see what happens to them. have to consider whats the effect of caustic soda on the the thin top coat you use on leather? If you look at the SDS for caustic Soda one of its uses is in paint stripper. Use surfex HD. Its cheaper than 101 and it doesnt use caustic components.
@@ForensicDetailing couldn’t agree with you more there John I’ve been after some surfex but my supplier is out of stock. Just using hydroxide mixed really weak for now as needs must.
@@ForensicDetailing oh and I use it for exterior only 101 is too aggressive for interior work. I use gyeon leather cleaner for that mild for soft b,w leather and strong for most other applications. Thanks for the comment back love the advice mate 👌
Nice review once again! Is there any plan to do a “best wheel cleaner” shootout for bulk buy offerings mate? Would be really interested in something that offers great “wet” foaming like you say and obviously cost effective and dilutable
There's no best wheel cleaner IMHO , you need to " agitate ". Even normal car soap with a glove is better than the " best " wheel cleaner with no agitation. I've cleaned wheels in every way imaginabile. The only difference is acid ones and Iron removers (to use once in a while )
I’m aware of that. I know how wheel cleaners are used, but I’m interested to see a product brand battle for wheel cleaners like the rest of the videos on snow foams, fallout removers etc. There’s no one “best” of any of these product but seeing the pro’s and con’s of different products in the one review video is what I’d like to see
@@StevenWillox If you ask me I love Labocosmetica Primus (1:10) ,wich is safe even on naked aluminium ( tested myself ) ,koch chemie Green star ( 1:10 ) and Auto Glanz Infinite ( 1:10 ). These 3 performs very well. Don't like BH autowash , it degreses well but it dosn't perform good on dirt.
For nonacid, agitation free, spray and rinse cleaning power use, I'd give the nod to the Adam's.. I can touch free clean light to moderately dirty coated wheels with it at 3:1. I use it at 5:1 paired with agitation. But I generally use other products for agitation cleaning, mostly Break Buster, mainly because it's rust inhibitors actually work well. Touchless cleaning is really the main cleaning power gauge in my view. Once you add agitation, any moderate quality cleaner is going to perform well. Most dirty tires are going to need agitation, hard to do away with that, though some of the newer rubber "coating" type dressings are getting us closer and closer.. 👍👌✌
Interesting to see how it performs against billberry but for regular cleaning apc is more than good enough or even the cheap pro Kleen fallout remover works well and cheaper than brake buster, really dirty neglected wheels id still go apc followed with korrosol fallout remover for baked on brake dust
Brilliant video! I've been scoping this product pretty hard. I live in the US, so it's quite cheap. Though, with the inability to remove iron particles, would you recommend an iron remover, and then use this?
Hiya Jon - Great channel and videos 👏 I know that you’d be detailing i guess mainly alloy wheels etc,but I’ve got a question that I’m wondering if you can help me with : I clean up and sell for pocket money old wheel trims. They’re generally really manky on the rear side with baked on brake dust & road grime which also often bakes itself between the spokes on the front side too. What products/equipment/procedures would you recommend to get that stuff off as quickly and easily as possible please - many thanks in advance - Jonathan from South Wales 🏴 👍
well you have to be careful. So "acids" will break down solid brake matter and soot the most. So the much maligned wonder wheels can be used to great effect. But strong acids can damage bare chrome or anodised finished etc... so its cleaning without damaging. My recomendation is fallout remover generally as an agressive but safe way to clean wheels .. get "autowheels fromme bilt Hamber spray on agititate it. get a stubby atlasta brush as well from bonnymans to really poke and the soot/embedded brake dust.
Glad to see it compared to Surfex. Do you think a fallout remover could be a bad idea on an older alloy that has never seen a product like this before. Was thinking that maybe it could open up the clear coat and speed up the degradation of the alloy?
As I'm unable to get the brake buster here in Sweden, I'm thinking about getting the BH Surfex HD. Does it work as well as a maintenance wheel and tire cleaner? I don't really need the fallout type of cleaner and would like a good cleaner for the tires too. Thanks in advance, and keep up the great videos!
Hey there mate. Let my share my opinion. We do not need to use the most powerful cleaning products. I think we should be looking for the least aggressive ones that work. For the rims and maintenance washes I am using the car shampoo and dedicated mitt. As a prespray there is a superb product probably not available in Kingdom. Exceeded Ultimate Wheel Cleaner. Just went through a bottle and I am yet to try to simplify my toolset. Koch Greenstar 1:20 as a prespray. What do you think? We are talking weekly or every second week wash of properly maintained car with waxed alloys. For the special cases, for the neglected nightmares, then power is a factor and answer is acid & ph 10+ products. Not for my daily ;) I have one question. Have you tried carchem 38 wax?
Hello! I remember the Gyeon ambassedor making a post about alkaline wheel cleaner could damage your brake disc and clearcoat on wheels etc. whats your opinion on this? keep your good work up, watch your videos everyday! blessings from sweden!
Most of these wheels cleaners are the same as you use a brush to clean it anyway. If it was sprayed on and then jet washed off then u can see what it actually does
Great review! Jon I need some advice. I’ve done a once over on my car which is wrapped in a vinyl. Firstly my brake discs keep going orange once I’ve done the alloy wheel cleaner and I’m not sure why ? And secondly would you recommend a quick wax or needing product for a car that is wrapped ?
the chemicals cans promote a bit of oxide or rust from the steel component in the brake disks. Its nothing to worry about but if you dont like it try surfex HD it wont do this so much. You can also treat your rotors with Atom mac to inhibit this happening.
John since its a good degreaser, you think it could work as an engine bay cleaner also diluted 10:1? any negatives you think to doing this? Just bought a 1gallon-3.78 liters for $30Canadian
US gallon is just under 4 litres, important when comparing to 5 litres of Surfex HD. Would be interested to know how it compares to Korrosol at 1:1 dilution.
yer I mention this briefly. you cant compare it to a fallout remover as its a different chemical function.. fallout remover is way more powerfull though
@@ForensicDetailing If I wanted to use the breakbuster and a fallout remover, which would I use first? Jetwash - breakbuster and agitation - jetwash - iron fallout and then final jetwash? Would that be the correct process? Thanks Jon, love all the videos. I’m learning so much from your channel every day!
I like the corrosion inhibitor but the price is way off putting. I'll stick with BH Korrosol/Autowheel, Megs Wheel Brightener or a small soapy bucket, depending on the how minging my wheels are.
Can I ask where you got the blue soft brush? This company sounds to be getting up there in popularity. Fast shot wheel cleaner I've found to be the best in cleaning power plus its about £20 for a gallon
@@ForensicDetailing hey Jon, sorry I didn't describe it properly, it's that blue detail brush. Is it from Ali express? I tried looking for it there and couldn't find it
@@zaink7037 gonna have to tell me where in the video mate I see a grey Detail factory brush, the blue one is the micorfiber madness incredi brush flat. over black hand green red is vikan flat. could be another one lurking in there. tag the MM:SS where you see the brush and I can see the one you are looking at zain.
At what point does paying $60 for 5 liters of Bilt Hamber outweigh $20 for 5 liters of Brake Buster. It's takes me far more product and time to clean rims with BB than with BH. Three full sprays of BH for the face of a rim versus multiple sprays of BB to clean a rim. Love the price at $20 per gallon, but the results just don't hold up. Plus, BH is an active cleaner vs the non-active BB.
Im not sure what you mean by bilt hamber chip. If your talking about autowheels though its a fallout remover. If your talking about surfex its 17 quid for 5 litres here and 10:1 is good for wheels. BH autowheels is a lot more powerfull. you could use auto wheels on baked on horrible condition dirty alloys. ITs areally powerfull However autwheels (and any FR) will like up your brake disks and promote oxidisation. It depends what your after but BB is popular I think with guys just looking for a milder product on well maintained alloys.
@@ForensicDetailing... Yes sir. I'm talking about BH Auto. When I have to clean a set of rims twice with BB when I know once with BH would handle the job, then I start questioning when the dollars spent versus the time saved overlap each other. BB is a decent product but it doesn't compare to what I've seen from BH. The problem is obviously cost and availability of BH vs BB. Trying to determine when the time saved outweighs the additional cost. By the way, I truly enjoy your videos. You're just real, laughing, cracking up all while providing great insight. Have the young man on with you more. You guys are a great pair. Thanks so much.
@@UKBIGBLUENATION1 fair play. I know what you mean. Autowheels is very powerfull it really smashes stuck on brake dusts. Its very good. lots like the fallout removers for this reason.. awesome stuff chip thanks buddy
Would you really use this over BH Auto Wheel though? I notice Auto Wheels is not acidic or alkaline (so pH neutral?) so could be used more regularly for wheels?
for maintainance yes. I would use autowheels once every 2 months maybe.. generally would clean with this or an APC or a shampoo maybe. fallout removers are very powerfull and very effective. quite expensive though and I dont need to use on my wheels generally.
@@ForensicDetailing Ok so my alloys are currently getting refurbished so best way to keep them nice is to use my koch greenstar diluted for example, anything else? No need to buy these specific wheel cleaners?
@@AM4N18 greenstar will do a great job, if your on a budget its going to work out a lot cheaper using GS. If not a budget give this a whirl though next time. only you will know. Its good stuff.
Other than this product, any other wheel / tyre cleaners with rust inhibitors in them? I hate when the break disca turn bright orange after washing....
I’ve had the mousse effect; definitely needs experimentation and every foamer bottle is different (I have 3) I’ve settled on 1:4 in a Epoca/Mesto but, yes start at 1:2 and you can add water to get the consistency you want (you need a calculator)
umm no thanks....i get heavy duty degreaser in bulk for a few bucks.....works better and is cheaper...plus i dont have to give my self a hard time for using too much
I don’t understand non acid wheel cleaners that aren’t bleeders. If I can’t use acid then car soap works just fine. They all require agitation so why buy special cleaners that aren’t acid
quite simple really. car soap have virtually no cut, specially PH neutral so yes its very very mild. A high alkaline can degrease much better typically, or more powerfull surfactants can aid the break down of the grime layer. A dedicated wheel cleaner will also contain some sodium based components which are slightley caustic and these will attack the solid brake dust partifules more. Its hard to notice the difference of the chemistry or a shampoo and a alkaline unless you test on consistent dirt.. but theres a bit diff.. I can demo this on my dirt simulator but yes mate if you keep on top of alloys then you can wash them with a soap/shampoo for sure I do this as well.
Would be really nice if we could get stuff as good as brake buster as cheap as the Americans get it but here in UK. I don't know of many (or any!) products where we here get the benefit of the lower price? Is there a UK equivalent of brake buster, I'm not sure there is. Now it seems like Koch etc are starting to enter the american market and the price isn't ridiculous for them, they seem to get everything over there for reasonable prices, I dont get it!
Uk is the king of cheap chems if you want cheap chems. Just watch my bargain haul video recently. you can buy direct from suppliers here. But I most people like prefer to pay a bit more. but a cheap wheel cleaner I use is surfex HD 17 quid for 5 litres and 10:1 concentrate. but if you are like me you will by and try other stuff.
@@ForensicDetailing Is it really I didn't know that. I don't mind paying a bit more and yes i like trying new things but it all seems to be American thats all, would be nice to find equivalent products that the UK makes, maybe they aren't as popular here or advertised over the internet as much? If I log onto TH-cam I just see videos from American youtubers as they seem to dominate the detailing space online and they endlessly rave on about brake buster, beadmaker, adams, etc etc list goes on. and they seem to get them for dirt cheap prices and in big quantities. Would I be right in thinking we don't have equivalent big name products like those for us (e.g. do we have an equivalent ready to use wheel cleaner that would go up against brake buster) or maybe I'm living under a rock haha :) I also wonder if these american products have a 'bling' factor with them, loads of foam with a focus on good user experience whereas our cheap chemicals do the job but are no nonsense in terms of presentation and use?
There is a video from Obsessed Garage where Matt dilutes the product and puts it through a foam cannon. Pan the Organizer gives a good review as well. From the videos and reviews I have seen and read, it’s now on my list of products to give a try. I hope it’s as good as it appears. Your video is a confirmation of my decision. Great review btw. Thanks Jon.
@JacksonX and Adam. Yeah, there is little doubt he’s a little over the top about most everything he does exactly, but he doesn’t apologize for it and he tells you up front his outlook on what he does. I used to sub his channel and he had some opinions i didn’t share or care for, so I moved on. But having said that, I watch some of his newer posted videos from time to time and he does offer up some tips and information. Just thought I would mention it as just another approach of working the product. All good, thanks for sharing, you’re not alone in your opinion.
When it comes to most products from the U.S., the front of the bottle is written by the marketing team and the back of the bottle is written by the lawyers.
Yeah but Europe doesn't have lawyers and suits right? LOL
Or marketing teams?
I recently purchased some Brake Buster here in Australia. I use it with the IK Foamer 2 and find it to be fantastic when used at 1:5. I wash my vehicles weekly and just use an iron remover once a month or so. Brake Buster offers a very good value (works well, good price) and using it with the Foamer is quick and easy. Win/Win/Win as far as I'm concerned.
This product has been my go to tire/wheel cleaner since I first tried it months ago, although I have plenty of Auto-Fanatic foaming wheel cleaner as well, so it's also in the mix.
My mix is 3:1 but I really need to go back up to 5 1 to stretch out the value as I clean my wheels atleast once a week. Btw I'm using the orange tip in both my IK Foam Pro2 and the IK 1.5.
Keep up the good work John🇺🇸👍
Ive used the autofanatic wheel cleaner which is great!! But nd heres a big but... the cost of it is way to much for way u get 49 dollas plus shipping is just out of hand!! P/s is 16bucks for a gallon and u can dilute 5/1 so thats 5 gallons for 16 dollars i mean the choice is pretty clear!!! And it sucks cuz i like phil from autofan.. but i gotta look out for my pocket!!!
@@cbruno12180 it's more than $16 a gallon👈
Got a little too excited about the product at 3:07 LOL
Love the review, the best thing about it is no more rusting brake discs. It’s such a good degreaser that it’s one product for arches, tyres and wheels. I even use it on bumper bugs if I’m in a hurry. Cheers Jon.
is it really that good when comes to what's left on the brake discs after rinsing the product off the wheels ??
Yes, it’s a rust inhibitor which disappears when you brake for the first time. It’s significantly better than a whee cleaner without that additive
Hey John - I believe you have the best auto detail channel on TH-cam - Very intelligently done! I understand this is an older video... Hopefully someone or yourself can answer how one cleans their expensive brushes with caked on black break dust, and everything else that one cleans off dirty wheels - I've used the actual cleaner foam from Eagle one, Dawn dish soap and a mixture of microfiber cleaner with a laundry detergent and I'm seemingly making very slow progress if at all.. Much appreciated and again, excellent videos sir !!!!
brustle brushes I just blast out at the end of each wash... some of my other brushes have removable heads like incredibrush that can go in the washing machine. I just use surfex to clean most of these things.
Great review!!! P&S was the first place I went for detailing supplies almost 20 years ago (I think it was their only retail store in the US at the time) I always got great advice and Carl was always willing to point me in the right direction. Hell, I remember doing a speech on detailing for a college class and asked if he could find me some Carnuba to pass around. Next thing I know I'm rocking a bottle of carnauba flake (I think I still have it kicking around somewhere :) ).
I’m currently using Valet Pro Bilberry wheel cleaner at 3:1 seems to do a good job once a month
Hmm Bilberry neat on Gtechniq C5 coated alloys never seems to get the grease off, i keep having to resort back to Bilt Hamber Auto Wheel to get the job done!
Not a bad drop this.
Would be nice to see more testing on the infamous tyre shine “browning” that only the best can thoroughly remove.
Thanks for the review, but think I’ll be sticking to BH Auto Wheel and Greenstar APC for now 👍
I haven't tried a APC but I have to say I found a wheel cleaner which I think beats BH auto wheels in cleaning power. It's called fast shot wheel cleaner and slims detailing sell it in a sample bottle or a gallon bottle.
This is a great product for the price. I buy it by the gallon and it only cost me $20 for the gallon. Yep we call them Rotors and you did in the video also so you are just as crazy as us! 😜 Great breakdown of the product! I have noticed that the rust inhibitors can leave the sidewalks of the tires a little chalky looking.
cheers FAB keep rocking it my friend :)
Forensic Detailing Channel Will do! Thanks
Ah now I see. It’s a safer alternative to prevent corrosion thanks John 👍🏻
Nice review Jon! And nice tan for someone across the pond! I’m in Florida and all I do is burn.
3:11.... you really seem to be enjoying that foam action....
That wasn't foam..
Hahah oh dear
After trying and working with several of these non-acidic wheel cleaners, I can say that fallout removers are still a way to go. Cleaners such as this one, Chemical Guys Signature, Diablo, etc. are never gonna clean the wheel the way fallout remover does, plus you're going to spend hell of a more time cleaning and brushing the wheels and sometimes I just don't feel like spending an hour on the wheels because I've got a whole car to get to, and quite a bit of work planned on the paint. I don't know, sometimes, if the wheel is somewhat dirty, I'd use it, for any medium to heavy contamination, iron/fallout remover is much better option in my opinion.
Agreed
@James O'Brien Hi there. All valid points, indeed and I agree with majority of them. However, I didn't say I enjoy working with iron removers, it's just that to me, are far more effective in getting the job done. Now, I hate them. I hate the smell (always have to work outdoors and "down the wind" sort of saying), hate that I have to wear quality protection (gloves) which does convey that you're dealing with harsh chemicals. How harsh? Nobody can tell for sure. Maybe we're exaggerating, maybe they're no more harmful than bleach people die their hair with, but you gotta do these things to be on the safe side. I've researched a lot and the only product that does a great job at cleaning the wheel and it's nice to work with is Auto Fanatic's wheel foam, but that's hard to come by, at least in Europe. I don't think it's even being sold here. Long story short, I haven't tried the break buster (waiting for P&S as well to distribute their products outside of UK), but from the video, I could see how much effort Jon is putting in to clean those wheels and it's the same story every non-acid wheel cleaner. You're going to spend an hour, easy, and you have to have a wheel bucket with soap, several brushes, which makes the car cleaning process longer and messier. Half of the time, I'm not up to that. Can't be bothered staying an hour or more doing wheels only. Iron remover helps you get it done quicker. By the way, rims do look shinier when done with iron remover than with non-acid cleaner. To me at least.
@James O'Brien Instead of being speculatively afraid of iron removers' impacts, take some time to learn about them. A lot of your safety and environmental concerns will disappear when you consider the relatively minuscule amounts of sodium thiosulfate (the active ingredient in all iron removers) being used. You can still feel as you do about the practicalities of working with them, but these products aren't unsafe for you or for the environment in the tiny amounts and concentrations we're using them in, and I say this as a very passionate environmentalist. In any case, if you're concerned about your exposure, wear some glasses, gloves, and a mask. Just because a different wheel cleaner doesn't have sodium thiosulfate in it doesn't mean it's any better to have unnecessary exposure to it when reducing your risks is as simple as throwing some PPE on, and I say THIS as a professional mobile auto detailer who has a lot of exposure to detailing chemicals.
@James O'Brien Please share with me what your doctors have said about your exposure to sodium thiosulfate (or perhaps some other product in your arsenal is [also] to blame?), what effects it has had on you, and what practices lead you to a level capable of those effects. Please cite a source implicating the proper use of sodium thiosulfate in detailing in environmental damage (industrial levels can be very harmful but are an entirely different and unrelated issue). I'm always looking out for long-term dangers especially since this industry caters toward casual enthusiasts far more than professionals who are using these products every day. I simply have not found any information to suggest that modern iron removers (sodium thiosulfate; maybe you've used some other chemical in your 30 years? I've only been doing this for about 16) are dangerous.
Its hard for an imported product to be a. close price as the country of manufacturing as the importing country has to pay transport, import taxes, VAT and still try to make some profit out of it.
Thats the thing with detailing products in Portugal (my country). You pay many times double or triple of the price here in the UK for example. And if you live in the islands (Azores, Madeira, Porto Santo...then its even more expensive as you have postage on top of that)
Jon, do you ever heard about K2 car care products? They are a polish brand. They seem to be quite good. I just bought a paste wax from them and I cant wait to try it out. The smell is unbelievable. Makes you want to eat it. Lol
great review jon, just remember that with tennis,its no pain no gain. sure we will see you at wimbledon one day..lol..
Outstanding thorough review, Jon!😎👍🏻
Great looking product!👍🏻
Put something like P&S Brake Buster in a pump sprayer to produce snow foam, then spray underneath the car to help with rot, as it has rust inhibitors aspart of the ingredients
I would love to see your review of P&S Undressed Tire Prep!
yer I use APC mate about 15p a litre when mixed down. Cant see me switching to a chemical that costs like 15 pounds a litre (thats not 10 times the price thats 100 times the price.. that does not mean the PandS product is bad but you get the idea. Its just surfactant.
I just use a wheel shampoo, currently AutoGlanz Hoops. Only occasionally use a wheel cleaner and when I do It’s BH Autowheels.
I love your dirty grease test! That stuff seems to stick to my car.
Hi Jon, no doubt a top product for dirty wheels. I uploaded a video on my channel 6 months ago and my preference is to use this at 5-1 through an IK foamer
It must be the lighting Jon, but have you overdosed on the fake tan... Interesting vid as ever Jon.
Been waiting for this one - I need to get some of this and the sprayer too 👍
the rag company sales an iK pro series line that just released.
if you want to add foam or suds to any liquid put some high concentrate dish soap in it....
Great review mate, I use it in a marolex 3000 foamer works great 5:1.
i think u meant 1:5
Grea review 👍Should asked the wife to open that stiff bottle top though 😀
problem is that the only supplier hasn't had the gallon for over 2 months now and not worth buying the small bottle for £9.99 excluding delivery cost!
You lost me at £5 to clean 4 wheels!
Great review thank you
😂😂😂 what a waste !! I just use pre wash 1:10 and wheel brush, or IF I want to be extra delicate I use a glove and Car soap.
G Willis it’s madness, I use valet Pro APC which is fine when done regularly. The 5 litres has lasted forever and that’s using it for everything else too.
@@samwilde595 I cleaned my wheels like 1 hour ago , pre washed them with APC no scrubbing , then glove with soap.
They look shiny 😎
Andrea ditto, honestly so many of these products are gimmicks. I make my own glass cleaner now too with IPA, Deionised water and a touch of APC, cheap as chips and works better then most I’ve used.
This stuff can give you reasonable value. At 5:1 and with the gallon sizes. the price is ok in the UK, price is very strong in the UK.
yes you can get cheaper. I still use surfex to clean my alloys. but I think this might have some more kick on solids.
Diluting the product helps tremendously but you'll save more ordering the gallon size.
Hi John, please could you review Auto Finesse Aqua Coat please, pro’s and cons etc :) love your channel been watching for a while now keep it up :)
It is very good on the tires.Not as much on the rims..
I use it 50/50 in foam cannon probably could do a more diluted ratio works decent but brake rotors still rust some people say it solves the rust problem
50/50 foam cannon....seriously? ajajjaja
I bought Adams Wheel and Tire cleaner. Used over half a bottle on 4 times. Only use it in the foamer now
Just searched this video as I bought some of this. Found it great as a tyre cleaner but general apc such as g101 car plan trade multi purpose etc cleans wheels better
G101is caustic and contains sodium hydroxide. Spray it on unpainted calipers in the summer and see what happens to them. have to consider whats the effect of caustic soda on the the thin top coat you use on leather? If you look at the SDS for caustic Soda one of its uses is in paint stripper. Use surfex HD. Its cheaper than 101 and it doesnt use caustic components.
@@ForensicDetailing couldn’t agree with you more there John I’ve been after some surfex but my supplier is out of stock. Just using hydroxide mixed really weak for now as needs must.
@@ForensicDetailing oh and I use it for exterior only 101 is too aggressive for interior work. I use gyeon leather cleaner for that mild for soft b,w leather and strong for most other applications. Thanks for the comment back love the advice mate 👌
Turtle Wax too Jon higher prices in UK
Nice review once again! Is there any plan to do a “best wheel cleaner” shootout for bulk buy offerings mate? Would be really interested in something that offers great “wet” foaming like you say and obviously cost effective and dilutable
There's no best wheel cleaner IMHO , you need to " agitate ".
Even normal car soap with a glove is better than the " best " wheel cleaner with no agitation.
I've cleaned wheels in every way imaginabile.
The only difference is acid ones and Iron removers (to use once in a while )
I’m aware of that. I know how wheel cleaners are used, but I’m interested to see a product brand battle for wheel cleaners like the rest of the videos on snow foams, fallout removers etc. There’s no one “best” of any of these product but seeing the pro’s and con’s of different products in the one review video is what I’d like to see
@@StevenWillox If you ask me I love Labocosmetica Primus (1:10) ,wich is safe even on naked aluminium ( tested myself ) ,koch chemie Green star ( 1:10 ) and Auto Glanz Infinite ( 1:10 ).
These 3 performs very well.
Don't like BH autowash , it degreses well but it dosn't perform good on dirt.
For nonacid, agitation free, spray and rinse cleaning power use, I'd give the nod to the Adam's.. I can touch free clean light to moderately dirty coated wheels with it at 3:1.
I use it at 5:1 paired with agitation. But I generally use other products for agitation cleaning, mostly Break Buster, mainly because it's rust inhibitors actually work well.
Touchless cleaning is really the main cleaning power gauge in my view. Once you add agitation, any moderate quality cleaner is going to perform well.
Most dirty tires are going to need agitation, hard to do away with that, though some of the newer rubber "coating" type dressings are getting us closer and closer.. 👍👌✌
@@jdisdetermined Adam's what ?
Interesting to see how it performs against billberry but for regular cleaning apc is more than good enough or even the cheap pro Kleen fallout remover works well and cheaper than brake buster, really dirty neglected wheels id still go apc followed with korrosol fallout remover for baked on brake dust
Brilliant video! I've been scoping this product pretty hard. I live in the US, so it's quite cheap. Though, with the inability to remove iron particles, would you recommend an iron remover, and then use this?
Other way around. Most iron remove don’t have detergents to cut through brake dust and reach the metal.
Hiya Jon - Great channel and videos 👏
I know that you’d be detailing i guess mainly alloy wheels etc,but I’ve got a question that I’m wondering if you can help me with : I clean up and sell for pocket money old wheel trims. They’re generally really manky on the rear side with baked on brake dust & road grime which also often bakes itself between the spokes on the front side too. What products/equipment/procedures would you recommend to get that stuff off as quickly and easily as possible please - many thanks in advance - Jonathan from South Wales 🏴 👍
well you have to be careful. So "acids" will break down solid brake matter and soot the most. So the much maligned wonder wheels can be used to great effect. But strong acids can damage bare chrome or anodised finished etc... so its cleaning without damaging.
My recomendation is fallout remover generally as an agressive but safe way to clean wheels .. get "autowheels fromme bilt Hamber spray on agititate it. get a stubby atlasta brush as well from bonnymans to really poke and the soot/embedded brake dust.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks Jon 👍
Glad to see it compared to Surfex.
Do you think a fallout remover could be a bad idea on an older alloy that has never seen a product like this before. Was thinking that maybe it could open up the clear coat and speed up the degradation of the alloy?
3:09 LOL what are those moves about? 🤣
John to be fair with the amount of brush work fairy liquid would clean your wheels. Is there such a thing as a spray on rinse off wheel cleaner
This
As I'm unable to get the brake buster here in Sweden, I'm thinking about getting the BH Surfex HD. Does it work as well as a maintenance wheel and tire cleaner? I don't really need the fallout type of cleaner and would like a good cleaner for the tires too. Thanks in advance, and keep up the great videos!
Hey there mate. Let my share my opinion. We do not need to use the most powerful cleaning products. I think we should be looking for the least aggressive ones that work. For the rims and maintenance washes I am using the car shampoo and dedicated mitt. As a prespray there is a superb product probably not available in Kingdom. Exceeded Ultimate Wheel Cleaner. Just went through a bottle and I am yet to try to simplify my toolset. Koch Greenstar 1:20 as a prespray. What do you think? We are talking weekly or every second week wash of properly maintained car with waxed alloys. For the special cases, for the neglected nightmares, then power is a factor and answer is acid & ph 10+ products. Not for my daily ;)
I have one question. Have you tried carchem 38 wax?
Hello!
I remember the Gyeon ambassedor making a post about alkaline wheel cleaner could damage your brake disc and clearcoat on wheels etc.
whats your opinion on this?
keep your good work up, watch your videos everyday!
blessings from sweden!
Well alkaline could be lots of things... Some alkaline surfactants can damage clear. But if it's a good product it should be fine
@@ForensicDetailing thanks! Is your opinion that the brake buster is safe?
I use dragons breath it’s awesome! Anyone else?
Finally yes that's what I use
Most of these wheels cleaners are the same as you use a brush to clean it anyway. If it was sprayed on and then jet washed off then u can see what it actually does
Great review!
Jon I need some advice. I’ve done a once over on my car which is wrapped in a vinyl.
Firstly my brake discs keep going orange once I’ve done the alloy wheel cleaner and I’m not sure why ?
And secondly would you recommend a quick wax or needing product for a car that is wrapped ?
the chemicals cans promote a bit of oxide or rust from the steel component in the brake disks. Its nothing to worry about but if you dont like it try surfex HD it wont do this so much. You can also treat your rotors with Atom mac to inhibit this happening.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks Jon!!! 👍🏽👍🏽
John since its a good degreaser, you think it could work as an engine bay cleaner also diluted 10:1? any negatives you think to doing this? Just bought a 1gallon-3.78 liters for $30Canadian
Great videos 👍 how would you compare this to AG Alkalloy? I use alkalloy plus rebound but considering to switch
Similar thing really but more foamey
US gallon is just under 4 litres, important when comparing to 5 litres of Surfex HD. Would be interested to know how it compares to Korrosol at 1:1 dilution.
yer I mention this briefly. you cant compare it to a fallout remover as its a different chemical function.. fallout remover is way more powerfull though
Is this still the go to product in 2023?
Been using turtle wax hyper foam but it's too expensive to keep using in my country.
I us Surfex HD mixed at 1:10 in IK 2 foamer mate. Will cost you pennies to mix up a litre. Just use DI water though.
@@ForensicDetailing thank you. i'll check it out! is it good at removing the brown oxidation from tyres?
@@ForensicDetailing wow. It's $30 USD for 1 litre and $65 for 5 litres in Australia!
Is it just me or is scrubbing the tire tread akin to mopping outdoors in a rain storm?
What he use as main wheel cleaner? Bilt Hamber? I find all this wheel cleaners expensive.
Jon, out of p&s - break buster and bilt hamber - auto wheel, which would you say is a better product?
Auto wheel is fallout removed m8. Better for removing old brake dust but not always required for maintenance wash
@@ForensicDetailing oh right, I thought it was a wheel cleaner with added iron remover. Cheers mate
@@ForensicDetailing If I wanted to use the breakbuster and a fallout remover, which would I use first? Jetwash - breakbuster and agitation - jetwash - iron fallout and then final jetwash? Would that be the correct process? Thanks Jon, love all the videos. I’m learning so much from your channel every day!
3:08 I can't breathe 🤣🤣🤣
How would you compare this to Adams wheel and tire?
I like the corrosion inhibitor but the price is way off putting. I'll stick with BH Korrosol/Autowheel, Megs Wheel Brightener or a small soapy bucket, depending on the how minging my wheels are.
Where did you get your Foaming Pressure bottle from.....Please?
Can I ask where you got the blue soft brush? This company sounds to be getting up there in popularity. Fast shot wheel cleaner I've found to be the best in cleaning power plus its about £20 for a gallon
thats a microfiber madness incedibrush flat ((make sure its "flat" version"))
@@ForensicDetailing hey Jon, sorry I didn't describe it properly, it's that blue detail brush. Is it from Ali express? I tried looking for it there and couldn't find it
@@zaink7037 gonna have to tell me where in the video mate I see a grey Detail factory brush, the blue one is the micorfiber madness incredi brush flat. over black hand green red is vikan flat. could be another one lurking in there. tag the MM:SS where you see the brush and I can see the one you are looking at zain.
@@ForensicDetailing sorry Jon 😅. It's this brush at 4:15 however it has a blue handle. I believe the one with the blue handle was the cheaper version
What's that blue brush you use on the wheel wells?
Its from EZ Detail.
Cleaning tyres and inner arches seems a waste of alloy wheel product? Maybe you used more than needed
I wonder adams TWC can be diluted like this one or not😂😂
At what point does paying $60 for 5 liters of Bilt Hamber outweigh $20 for 5 liters of Brake Buster. It's takes me far more product and time to clean rims with BB than with BH. Three full sprays of BH for the face of a rim versus multiple sprays of BB to clean a rim. Love the price at $20 per gallon, but the results just don't hold up. Plus, BH is an active cleaner vs the non-active BB.
Im not sure what you mean by bilt hamber chip. If your talking about autowheels though its a fallout remover. If your talking about surfex its 17 quid for 5 litres here and 10:1 is good for wheels.
BH autowheels is a lot more powerfull. you could use auto wheels on baked on horrible condition dirty alloys. ITs areally powerfull
However autwheels (and any FR) will like up your brake disks and promote oxidisation.
It depends what your after but BB is popular I think with guys just looking for a milder product on well maintained alloys.
@@ForensicDetailing... Yes sir. I'm talking about BH Auto. When I have to clean a set of rims twice with BB when I know once with BH would handle the job, then I start questioning when the dollars spent versus the time saved overlap each other. BB is a decent product but it doesn't compare to what I've seen from BH.
The problem is obviously cost and availability of BH vs BB. Trying to determine when the time saved outweighs the additional cost.
By the way, I truly enjoy your videos. You're just real, laughing, cracking up all while providing great insight. Have the young man on with you more. You guys are a great pair. Thanks so much.
@@UKBIGBLUENATION1 fair play. I know what you mean. Autowheels is very powerfull it really smashes stuck on brake dusts. Its very good. lots like the fallout removers for this reason.. awesome stuff chip thanks buddy
Is John tipsy?
Would you really use this over BH Auto Wheel though? I notice Auto Wheels is not acidic or alkaline (so pH neutral?) so could be used more regularly for wheels?
for maintainance yes. I would use autowheels once every 2 months maybe.. generally would clean with this or an APC or a shampoo maybe. fallout removers are very powerfull and very effective. quite expensive though and I dont need to use on my wheels generally.
@@ForensicDetailing Ok so my alloys are currently getting refurbished so best way to keep them nice is to use my koch greenstar diluted for example, anything else? No need to buy these specific wheel cleaners?
@@AM4N18 greenstar will do a great job, if your on a budget its going to work out a lot cheaper using GS. If not a budget give this a whirl though next time. only you will know. Its good stuff.
Other than this product, any other wheel / tyre cleaners with rust inhibitors in them? I hate when the break disca turn bright orange after washing....
Use surfex hd
@@ForensicDetailing thanks.
Surfec HD
Which brush are you using for the wheel arches? Keep up the good work :-)
EZ detail Go
Instead of diluting it in an IK Foamer, could you use it in a normal spray bottle? With a dilution ratio of 5:1 / 10:1 ?
yes for sure. 1:5 in the foamer seemed about right...
I’ve had the mousse effect; definitely needs experimentation and every foamer bottle is different (I have 3)
I’ve settled on 1:4 in a Epoca/Mesto but, yes start at 1:2 and you can add water to get the consistency you want (you need a calculator)
Can't find anyone in the UK that has stock of the gallon size
Unless anyone can help ???
Put a shot of surfex hd in it 👊🏼
I dont think that will do much, its kind of really similar to surfex in degreasing power.
umm no thanks....i get heavy duty degreaser in bulk for a few bucks.....works better and is cheaper...plus i dont have to give my self a hard time for using too much
Hi guys, anyone know where I can get this is the UK?
I don’t understand non acid wheel cleaners that aren’t bleeders. If I can’t use acid then car soap works just fine. They all require agitation so why buy special cleaners that aren’t acid
quite simple really. car soap have virtually no cut, specially PH neutral so yes its very very mild. A high alkaline can degrease much better typically, or more powerfull surfactants can aid the break down of the grime layer. A dedicated wheel cleaner will also contain some sodium based components which are slightley caustic and these will attack the solid brake dust partifules more. Its hard to notice the difference of the chemistry or a shampoo and a alkaline unless you test on consistent dirt.. but theres a bit diff.. I can demo this on my dirt simulator
but yes mate if you keep on top of alloys then you can wash them with a soap/shampoo for sure I do this as well.
Would be really nice if we could get stuff as good as brake buster as cheap as the Americans get it but here in UK. I don't know of many (or any!) products where we here get the benefit of the lower price? Is there a UK equivalent of brake buster, I'm not sure there is.
Now it seems like Koch etc are starting to enter the american market and the price isn't ridiculous for them, they seem to get everything over there for reasonable prices, I dont get it!
Uk is the king of cheap chems if you want cheap chems. Just watch my bargain haul video recently. you can buy direct from suppliers here. But I most people like prefer to pay a bit more. but a cheap wheel cleaner I use is surfex HD 17 quid for 5 litres and 10:1 concentrate. but if you are like me you will by and try other stuff.
@@ForensicDetailing Is it really I didn't know that.
I don't mind paying a bit more and yes i like trying new things but it all seems to be American thats all, would be nice to find equivalent products that the UK makes, maybe they aren't as popular here or advertised over the internet as much?
If I log onto TH-cam I just see videos from American youtubers as they seem to dominate the detailing space online and they endlessly rave on about brake buster, beadmaker, adams, etc etc list goes on. and they seem to get them for dirt cheap prices and in big quantities. Would I be right in thinking we don't have equivalent big name products like those for us (e.g. do we have an equivalent ready to use wheel cleaner that would go up against brake buster) or maybe I'm living under a rock haha :)
I also wonder if these american products have a 'bling' factor with them, loads of foam with a focus on good user experience whereas our cheap chemicals do the job but are no nonsense in terms of presentation and use?
'Safe on all wheels' except for the ones it's not.
So how does it compare to Bilt Hamber or any other that you may of tested?
Civilized world hahaha
Nice
There is a video from Obsessed Garage where Matt dilutes the product and puts it through a foam cannon. Pan the Organizer gives a good review as well. From the videos and reviews I have seen and read, it’s now on my list of products to give a try. I hope it’s as good as it appears. Your video is a confirmation of my decision. Great review btw. Thanks Jon.
Matt from Obsessed Garage is a real tool.
@@jacksonx5365 Ye can't stand him as well
You would use SO much product that way. But he gets it at distributor prices so it doesn’t bother him.
@JacksonX and Adam. Yeah, there is little doubt he’s a little over the top about most everything he does exactly, but he doesn’t apologize for it and he tells you up front his outlook on what he does. I used to sub his channel and he had some opinions i didn’t share or care for, so I moved on. But having said that, I watch some of his newer posted videos from time to time and he does offer up some tips and information. Just thought I would mention it as just another approach of working the product. All good, thanks for sharing, you’re not alone in your opinion.
@@waynefromcanada He is a controlling narcissistic person I feel sorry for his wife and kids.
Stop reading your notes put the paper book down and try with out it ha ha ha
Why waste your life cleaning wheels, how stupid
almost as stupid as wasting your life, trying to tell people how to spend their life, in you tube videos you have no interest in....