It’s very weird seeing these competitive scrums. I watch a lot of Union too and they waste a lot of time. Plus, playing for a penalty with the scrum late in the game for a kick is brutal.
@@usarugbyleagueunionfan Don't you know that League had competitive scrums until the clowns that ruined that sport thought it would attract more people if points could be scored at a rate more akin to basketball? In fact current League refereeing of the Scrum is contrary to the Laws of RL and is a disgrace to the sport. Perhaps you're not familiar with the Laws of Rugby League..... THE SCRUM When formed 1 - A scrum is formed to restart play whenever play is not being restarted with a kick off, a drop-out (Section 8), a penalty kick (Section 13) or a play-the-ball (Section 11). Formation of Scrum 2 - To form a scrum not more than three forwards of either team shall interlock arms and heads and create a clear tunnel at right angles to the touch line. The forward in the centre of a front row (i.e. the hooker) shall bind with their arms over the shoulders of the two supporting forwards. Not more than two second row forwards on each team shall pack behind their respective front rows by interlocking arms and placing their heads in the two spaces between the hooker and his front row forwards. The loose forward of each team shall pack behind his second row forwards by placing their head in the space between them. All forwards must pack with their bodies and legs at right angles to the tunnel and the upper parts of their bodies horizontal. Once the ball has been put in the scrum no other player can lend his weight to it. Scrums Both prop forwards on the side where the ball is put into the scrum, MUST have their outside feet forward and the halfback must feed the ball into the scrum using the space between their feet. All players must remain in the scrum until the ball is out of the scrum. Number of backs and players in scrum 3. No more than six players on each team shall assist in the formation of a scrum and when the ball is in the scrum no more than seven players of each team shall act as backs. Pushing 4 - It is permissible for forwards to push once the scrum has been correctly formed but if it moves an appreciable distance to the disadvantage of any one team before the ball is put in then the Referee shall order the scrum to reform in its original position. Loose Head and Put-in 5. (a) At the scrum, the non-offending team shall have the loose head and put-in. (b) In the case of a mutual infringement, the attacking team shall have the loose head and the put-in. (c) Where the ball is kicked from the start or a restart of play and finds touch other than on the full after travelling the prescribed distance the kicking team shall be deemed to be the non-offending team. (d) Where a player kicks the ball in general play from any point in the area bounded by their own dead ball line, 40 metre line and the touch lines and the ball finds touch, otherwise than on the full, at a point on the touchline between the opponents’ 20 metre line and goal line the kicker’s team shall be deemed to be the non-offending team. (e) Where a player kicks or passes the ball in general play and the ball enters touch after accidentally striking an opponent the team of the player who passed or kicked the ball shall be deemed to be the offending team. Put-in or Feeding the Scrum 6 - (a) The ball shall be put into the scrum from the Referee’s side by holding it in a horizontal position with a point in each hand and rolling it along the ground into the tunnel formed by the opposing front row forwards. (b) The ball shall not be put in before the scrum has been correctly formed. (c) There shall be no undue delay in putting the ball into the scrum. (d) The player putting the ball in shall not hesitate or dummy and after putting it in they shall immediately retire behind their own pack of forwards. Other players 7 - The scrum half of the team not having the put-in shall retire immediately behind his last row of forwards. All other players outside the scrum, other than the scrum half putting the ball in, shall retire five metres or more behind the last row of forwards of their respective teams in the scrum and shall remain so until the ball has emerged correctly from the scrum. Forwards in 8 - When the ball is in the scrum it can only be played Scrum with the foot. The front row forwards shall not advance their feet into the tunnel or have one foot raised before the ball is put in or strike for the ball before the hookers. A hooker may strike for the ball with either foot once it has contacted the ground in the tunnel. After the hookers have struck for the ball the other forwards in the scrum may kick or heel the ball. No player shall wilfully collapse a scrum or wilfully have any part of him other than his feet in contact with the ground. A player shall not wilfully delay the correct formation of a scrum. Ball in Play 9 - To be in play, the ball must emerge from the scrum after first emerging from between and behind the inner feet of the second row forwards. If the ball does not emerge correctly and the fault cannot be attributed to any one team then it should be put into the scrum once again. Where formed 10 - If a scrum is ordered it shall normally be formed where the breach of Laws occurs. If such breach is within twenty metres of a touch line or ten metres of a goal line the scrum shall be brought in twenty metres from the touch line and ten metres from the goal line. Scrum wanders 11 - If a penalty kick is awarded relating to a scrum offence and the scrum has wandered from its original position, the mark is where the scrum was first formed. Scrum wheels 12 - If the ball emerges correctly from the scrum it is in play even though the scrum has wheeled. Any forward can detach himself from the scrum to gather or kick the ball. Any back can similarly play it provided he remained behind the scrum until the ball emerged.
( St.Helens v Wigan Warriors in major finals we have won more times 😊 ) 1953_54 Lancashire Cup Final: St Helens 16 Wigan Warriors 8 1960-61 Challenge Cup Final: St Helens 12 Wigan Warriors 6 1965-66 Challenge Cup Final: St Helens 21 Wigan Warriors 2 1970-71 NFRL Division One ChampionshipFinal: St Helens 16 Wigan Warriors 12 1984-85 Lancashire Cup Final: St Helens 26 Wigan Warriors 18 1988-89 Challenge Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 27 St Helens 0 1990-91 Challenge Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 13 St Helens 8 1991-92 Premiership Final: Wigan Warriors 48 St Helens 16 1992-93 Charity Shield: St Helens 17 Wigan Warriors 0 1992-93 Lancashire Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 5 St Helens 4 1992-93 Premiership Final: St Helens 10 Wigan Warriors 4 1995-96 League Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 48 St Helens 16 1997 Premiership Final: Wigan 32 St Helens 20 2000 Super League Grand Final: St Helens 29 Wigan Warriors 16 2002 Challenge Cup Final: Wigan 21 St Helens 12 2004 Challenge Cup Final: St Helens 32 Wigan Warriors 16 2010 Super League Grand Final: Wigan 22 St Helens 10 2014 Super League Grand Final: St Helens 14 Wigan Warriors 6 2020 Super League Grand Final: Wigan Warriors 4 St.Helens 8 St.Helens 11 Wigan Warriors 9
St Helens should have never been there greatest robbery and corruption by Eric clay refferee when he played 7 mins over time in 3rd round against Hull kr keith macklin writer said floodlit robbery and called out clay
I was 14 went with school on train from hull lovely memories 🏉👍
Great to see good footage of murphy and french and van vollenhoven
Was at this game with my father and grandparents
St Helen's very lucky to be their ask MR MURTHEY
Love th commentator s voice
Come on youuuuuuu Saints.
The game was way better with competitive scrums...bring em back!
It’s very weird seeing these competitive scrums. I watch a lot of Union too and they waste a lot of time. Plus, playing for a penalty with the scrum late in the game for a kick is brutal.
@@usarugbyleagueunionfan Don't you know that League had competitive scrums until the clowns that ruined that sport thought it would attract more people if points could be scored at a rate more akin to basketball?
In fact current League refereeing of the Scrum is contrary to the Laws of RL and is a disgrace to the sport.
Perhaps you're not familiar with the Laws of Rugby League.....
THE SCRUM
When formed 1 - A scrum is formed to restart play whenever play is not being restarted with a kick off, a drop-out (Section 8), a penalty kick (Section 13) or a play-the-ball (Section 11).
Formation of Scrum 2 - To form a scrum not more than three forwards of either team shall interlock arms and heads and create a clear tunnel at right angles to the touch line.
The forward in the centre of a front row (i.e. the hooker) shall bind with their arms over the shoulders of the two supporting forwards. Not more than two second row forwards on each team shall pack behind their respective front rows by interlocking arms and placing their heads in the two spaces between the hooker and his front row forwards. The loose forward of each team shall pack behind his second row forwards by placing their head in the space between them. All forwards must pack with their bodies and legs at right angles to the tunnel and the upper parts of their bodies horizontal. Once the ball has been put in the scrum no other player can lend his weight to it.
Scrums Both prop forwards on the side where the ball is put into the scrum, MUST have their outside feet forward and the halfback must feed the ball into the scrum using the space between their feet. All players must remain in the scrum until the ball is out of the scrum.
Number of backs and players in scrum 3. No more than six players on each team shall assist in the formation of a scrum and when the ball is in the scrum no more than seven players of each team shall act as backs.
Pushing 4 - It is permissible for forwards to push once the scrum has been correctly formed but if it moves an appreciable distance to the disadvantage of any one team before the ball is put in then the Referee shall order the scrum to reform in its original position.
Loose Head and Put-in 5. (a) At the scrum, the non-offending team shall have the loose head and put-in.
(b) In the case of a mutual infringement, the attacking team shall have the loose head and the put-in.
(c) Where the ball is kicked from the start or a restart of play and finds touch other than on the full after travelling the prescribed distance the kicking team shall be deemed to be the non-offending team.
(d) Where a player kicks the ball in general play from any point in the area bounded by their own dead ball line, 40 metre line and the touch lines and the ball finds touch, otherwise than on the full, at a point on the touchline between the opponents’ 20 metre line and goal line the kicker’s team shall be deemed to be the non-offending team.
(e) Where a player kicks or passes the ball in general play and the ball enters touch after accidentally striking an opponent the team of the player who passed or kicked the ball shall be deemed to be the offending team.
Put-in or Feeding the Scrum 6 - (a) The ball shall be put into the scrum from the Referee’s side by holding it in a horizontal position with a point in each hand and rolling it along the ground into the tunnel formed by the opposing front row forwards.
(b) The ball shall not be put in before the scrum has been correctly formed.
(c) There shall be no undue delay in putting the ball into the scrum.
(d) The player putting the ball in shall not hesitate or dummy and after putting it in they shall immediately retire behind their own pack of forwards.
Other players 7 - The scrum half of the team not having the put-in shall retire immediately behind his last row of forwards. All other players outside the scrum, other than the scrum half putting the ball in, shall retire five metres or more behind the last row of forwards of their respective teams in the scrum and shall remain so until the ball has emerged correctly from the scrum.
Forwards in 8 - When the ball is in the scrum it can only be played Scrum with the foot. The front row forwards shall not advance their feet into the tunnel or have one foot raised before the ball is put in or strike for the ball before the hookers.
A hooker may strike for the ball with either foot once it has contacted the ground in the tunnel.
After the hookers have struck for the ball the other forwards in the scrum may kick or heel the ball.
No player shall wilfully collapse a scrum or wilfully have any part of him other than his feet in contact with the ground.
A player shall not wilfully delay the correct formation of a scrum.
Ball in Play 9 - To be in play, the ball must emerge from the scrum after first emerging from between and behind the inner feet of the second row forwards.
If the ball does not emerge correctly and the fault cannot be attributed to any one team then it should be put into the scrum once again.
Where formed 10 - If a scrum is ordered it shall normally be formed where the breach of Laws occurs. If such breach is within twenty metres of a touch line or ten metres of a goal line the scrum shall be brought in twenty metres from the touch line and ten metres from the goal line.
Scrum wanders 11 - If a penalty kick is awarded relating to a scrum offence and the scrum has wandered from its original position, the mark is where the scrum was first formed.
Scrum wheels 12 - If the ball emerges correctly from the scrum it is in play even though the scrum has wheeled. Any forward can detach himself from the scrum to gather or kick the ball. Any back can similarly play it provided he remained behind the scrum until the ball emerged.
Hacking at balls during ruck is giving me fits.
( St.Helens v Wigan Warriors in major finals we have won more times 😊 )
1953_54 Lancashire Cup Final: St Helens 16 Wigan Warriors 8
1960-61 Challenge Cup Final: St Helens 12 Wigan Warriors 6
1965-66 Challenge Cup Final: St Helens 21 Wigan Warriors 2
1970-71 NFRL Division One ChampionshipFinal: St Helens 16 Wigan Warriors 12
1984-85 Lancashire Cup Final: St Helens 26 Wigan Warriors 18
1988-89 Challenge Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 27 St Helens 0
1990-91 Challenge Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 13 St Helens 8
1991-92 Premiership Final: Wigan Warriors 48 St Helens 16
1992-93 Charity Shield: St Helens 17 Wigan Warriors 0
1992-93 Lancashire Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 5 St Helens 4
1992-93 Premiership Final: St Helens 10 Wigan Warriors 4
1995-96 League Cup Final: Wigan Warriors 48 St Helens 16
1997 Premiership Final: Wigan 32 St Helens 20
2000 Super League Grand Final: St Helens 29 Wigan Warriors 16
2002 Challenge Cup Final: Wigan 21 St Helens 12
2004 Challenge Cup Final: St Helens 32 Wigan Warriors 16
2010 Super League Grand Final: Wigan 22 St Helens 10
2014 Super League Grand Final: St Helens 14 Wigan Warriors 6
2020 Super League Grand Final: Wigan Warriors 4 St.Helens 8
St.Helens 11
Wigan Warriors 9
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St Helens should have never been there greatest robbery and corruption by Eric clay refferee when he played 7 mins over time in 3rd round against Hull kr keith macklin writer said floodlit robbery and called out clay