How Brexit is changing the EU
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- Brexit once seemed to pose an existential threat to the European Union. But Britain's withdrawal process has had some surprising results-especially when it comes to how other member states view the EU. Read more: econ.st/2MmthnW
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When the UK voted to leave the European Union in 2016 some predicted it would be the beginning of the end for the EU. But since then, the EU and the way its members feel about it has changed. Could the Brexit referendum have actually benefited the European Union?
Andrea Venson is on a mission. Today he’s in Milan drumming up support for one of Europe’s newest political parties. Volt Europa is a pan-European movement with political parties in 14 different countries. But Andrea has his work cut out for him. Across Europe a third of people want to leave the EU and Italy has the third highest rate at 44%. But he also has good reason to hope because since 2016 optimism about the future of the European Union has grown by over 20% and people feel more attached to the EU than before the Brexit referendum. So what’s going on? Is the European Union really gaining popularity?
In some ways I think the EU is stronger because of Brexit. Brexit makes the EU feel like safety. It makes the EU feel like the organisation that protects them from the kind of chaos that ensues when you try to leave. And that really changes people’s attitudes towards what Europe is doing. Even the most Eurosceptic political parties are singing a different tune.
I can remember Marine Le Pen appearing at a press conference just after the British referendum result and on the wall behind her was a poster of two hands breaking free of shackles and it said “Brexit, next France”. If you look at what Marine Le Pen argues today I think she has almost done a sort of U-turn because what she is trying to advocate in France is not so much a Frexit than a reforming the EU from within. It’s a different sort of Euroscepticism because it’s not about leaving Europe, it’s about transforming Europe and trying to create a sort of Europe that she and her nationalist friends think suits their agenda better.
I think there were at least 15 populist parties across Europe, as of 2016 who advocated a referendum to leave the EU or just advocated leaving the EU. Maybe one or two of them still do, explicitly. It’s really almost dropped off the agenda.
It looked like the Brexit vote would pose an existential threat to the EU but it’s not the first time the EU has faced serious problems since it was established and some of the most serious ones have appeared in the past decade. In 2008 the world financial crisis led to recession in Europe. Countries like Ireland, Portugal and Greece had to be bailed out by the EU and were forced to implement austerity measures. Unemployment rates hit record highs and recessions deepened. This debt crisis was soon followed by the migrant crisis of 2015 when more than 1m refugees and migrants streamed into Europe. Many of them were fleeing war and chaos in the Middle East. No country was hit harder by both these upheavals than Greece. A few years later, Greece was on the frontline of the other European crisis- mass migration.
A recent poll revealed that Greeks, more so than any other European nationality think that their interests are not taken into account by the EU. Yet Greece hasn’t turned against the European Union. Since the Brexit referendum the share of Greeks wanting to leave the EU decreased by over 20% from almost half to just a third. Both the economic and migrant crisis in Europe have receded and the EU has survived.
That ambition for true unity is always going to be difficult. The EU is made up of 28 different countries each with its own history and interests. But what it has shown, is that it has a survival instinct. Over the past decade, every time that the EU has faced a crisis that looked like it might be an existential crisis it’s become abundantly clear that EU leaders have the political will to hold the union together. That European countries have so much at stake in the survival of this union that, ultimately, they do what needs to be done to hold it together. It’s just that they often do that at the very last minute.
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For the first time in Denmark, the People's Movement against the EU got NO mandates in the European parliament. The Eurosceptic Danish People's Party also got slaughtered this year in our parliamentary elections. Positive EU sentiments are also at record highs among the population. If Brexit has achieved anything positive it is that.
Good luck bailing out Greece, Spain n Italy....it's positive for these countries I guess
Same in Ireland. Against the US or China's protective trading policies in the future, if your not in a union... well big fish eats little fish.
@Anglo McWhitey trade deals favour the bigger trading country. Ireland is protected by being in a large union. We would not survive on the open market because larger countries we depend on for trade eg. USA will no we need them more and not give us a sufficient price for goods and services.
@Anglo McWhitey Portugal Spain and Germany have lower public debt than the UK.
Look I dont think we will convince each other of such different views on TH-cam. My only advise and this is not meant to sound patronising is to make sure you get your information and news from a range of different outlets and political backgrounds.
It's called an echo chamber when it's just from the one source. I used to read just pro EU stuff but now its 50/50 remain/leave. I get to decide by myself. The EU is far from perfect but it's more beneficial overall for Ireland at least.
Your opinion is probably the opposite but that grand, no worries!
@Anglo McWhitey Good luck with that "facts"
On the continent Brexit has been the best EU campaign ever.
Yet Brexiteers don't want other countries to break away, it would hamper Britain's future advantages.
Darren Bellenger
Haha, that’s a good one!
Uhh, you’re not serious . . . are you?
@@Conservator. Is gaslighting all you have?
Darren Bellenger In this case, yes I’m afraid so.
@@Conservator. Well they say know your limits
On Monday hosted a live Q&A with John Peet, The Economist's Brexit editor. You can watch it here: econ.st/361g9fF
Your Brexperts?
You might have better luck finding genuine questions in a AMA on reddit on /r/Europe and r/AskEurope than here.
Here you go one decent question.
What happens if the Boris Deal today goes voted down today, Boris is forced thanks to Benn Act to ask a new extension, and can't go to EU empty hand, he has to put forward a new GE in November. Boris and UK will get the extension from EU because of Ireland, and the Gov goes to HoC with the GE and Labour votes down the snap election ? What then ?
@Barry Kelly Nobody will be happy, that's for sure. And by the unwritten UK constitution it will be a slap on the face of the democratic will of the people, weather we like it or not.
This is a Pro Eu site!
@@kevinwilliams2970 I was referring to the youtube comments section not The Economist.
So nobody is gonna talk about the dinosaur in the thumbnail
The EU Europe becoming a global power again.
Lol, literally
EE Dragon r Ha ha ha ha prat
Eurozilla
Yeah that Dino was unnecessary...
Thanks to Brexit, the British will have a lot of fish that they will not eat or sell. Brexit is great news for anchovies.
Did you know their fish is happy ?
this didn't age well
You obviously haven't heard of the great Captain Birdseye then ! Fool !
@@yiyiyibo9671 actually this does age well for now.. just see the news about this from the past 4 weeks
Hahahahahahaha
If the EU collapses, what will happen to the member countries in the next half a century, especially with the rise of Asia?
This is just a viewpoint of a person from outside the EU.
Europe would become a shadow of what it once was... That's why I think the EU is important for us.
EU provides the European countries the ability to compete with others. Without it, competitive level will be reduced, this will lead all the European countries to negative growth.
@@loutan7903 this would he true if you guys had a navy & protected Ukraine ... Sadly Russian gas is too important for the block
Canelo Alvarez, we mean “competitive” from an economic standpoint, but the EU is also making a unified army
@@adrianhutabarat1736 who cares about an army, they need a navy ... They don't have A SINGLE SUPER CARRIER
United, we stand. Divided, we fall.
Now ask yourself who will be ready to die for "united Europe"?
West will not "die for east", actually I don't think that Western European is ready to die even for his own country.
It is like Vin Diesel said in Pitch Black: "when the dying starts, all that emotional family will collapse".
The dying is just starting - recesion in germany, Grece again ready to bankrupt, Italy and Spain with theis public debt...
@@ali.ali.1218 I would fight for it, but I wouldn’t die for any country.
@@ali.ali.1218 I mean all armies of the EU combined are stronger than any other countries military. Many countries, including the west train there military together and there are many european military bases also in the east, like in lituania or poland.
@@Ghreinos doesn't matter how big army all EU has. It is not "european army".
Lets say it straight - noone in western Eu will defend east, and East will not help western union, because for Us- from the east - being in EU is just a buisness.
For example...the biggest "euro-enthusiasts" in my country (Poland) are pacifists and they will not fight at all.
The people who are "ready to fight" are mostly traditionalists and they don't care about Union at all, so they doesn't care about what will happen with the west - We dont even feel any culture values common with the west.
From the other side, Germans doesn't do one thing to convince Poles that the Union has any future - I mean Nortd Stream 2 for an example.
Sad truth is that Union is only empty bubble which will live not more than 15 years longer.
@@ali.ali.1218 I mean at that point youre right, but the EU is also an alliance. So if any other memberstate gets attacked the other EU countries intervene, like in the Holy Roman Empire. For example turkey wanted the oil fields near cyprus and made that's why an agreement with Lybia and supported because of that also the government there, which should get removed by a military coup. Because of that france and other european countries send there Navy for support. And also these military bases in Poland and lithuania are extremly important. There troops from some EU countries can train together and that is realy binding.
I love exploring the comment sections, it expands my English vocabulary. Especially this ones where the debates are longer. EU or UK or something, bless you.
I prefer commenting rather than social remarks. I seem to cause trouble in social situations.
I would like to help you with English language.
Ramel,
Now then. A few Conservative politicians stirred up a nest of wasps. The regular people have been set up to loose out. We will gain little, if anything.
However, there are other views to the situation. Enough people, mostly elderly, want to return to how Britain was in the 1960s. Travel to Europe was difficult because of all paperwork. It's impossible to bring the 1960s ways into 2022. I think we have stabbed ourselves in the foot.
Try this one.
I think that before Brexit, people did not really understand what the EU was or what it did for us. All we knew was, that it was an government in Brussels (not even in oure own country) that made rules and laws that affected us.
Sure, we had elections where we could vote for people that we didn't know or cared about. So we just ignored that, and complained about EU.
But after Brexit, people from all over Europe ( including the UK) have sat down, reading, watching, listening to what the EU is, what it does, how and why it was created, and how important it is to all of us.
In this world of ever increasing threats from China and Russia. And knowing that our old ally to the west can at any time elect a crazy delusional man, really just shows that we need each other more than we realised.
I'm proud to be a European.
Long live the European Union 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
😂😂😂😂😂
It was not important who wanted sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites.
They had plenty of opportunities to change their ways, they didn't, and we all know what happened next.
I'm not from the EU white club
Brits rather colonialize than uniting. They miss the old British Empire
Third world person
@@theoilandgasresourceportal2132 No, I think he is spot on. Brexit was all about 'Visions of Empire". Now that Brexit is done, just get on with it and leave Europe to the Europeans.
I agree with you. being snobby and superiority complex made the british vote out. now they are realising that the exit has larger consequences.
After Brexit, I got to understand how much EU meant and what we've built together for decades. The UK leaving was the best pro-EU thing to happen. The union has helped sign dussins of trade deals with other non-EU countries on behalf of the members. Being in the union is great for trade since we have the world's biggest single market, which gives us a lot of leverage to negotiate with other countries. Leaving means re-negotiating trade deals that take literally years. The EU just finalized a deal with Japan which took 6 years if I remember it right. The biggest free trade deal on Earth. The union has also helped resolved tension. There a tens of treaties that will cease to exist once you withdraw from article 50. Those treaties are treaties one can never negotiate for in the time frame that the UK has been given.
@Tom Sharpe keep crying
@@TheUsername217 You don’t seem to get it, do you?
don't say that.
The EU was a nightmare for France.
The French elites destroyed our country
As a European living in UK I wish they voted to stay, but now I'm glad they're getting Brexit done because it's not about me anymore, it's not even about the economy it's about a people who shouldn't have had to fight so hard for democracy but did it anyway
Thanks Sunbeam It is not going to be easy but we will win
As a Brit I'd like to thank you for your principles and say I'm glad someone with such an mature and fair attitude chose to come to the UK
Wow, a remainer who actually took it on the chin and said fair play. I salute your Sir / Ma'am. I agree, the last 3 and a half years have been an embarrassment in regards to democracy. The world just became a bigger place for the UK.
I did not know how ridiculously undemocratic the EU was from the beginning (at least as far as I currently understand it). And straight out deceptive.
Various nations rejected the EU Constitution, then they ignored them all and rebranded THE SAME THING as a treaty and so passed it WITHOUT REFERENDUM BUT NO POWERS GIVEN UP.
And on top of that, it aren't the leaders not accountable to the people, and the EU has a convoluted system designed to avoid accountability to the voters or getting the main leaders (not parlimentarians) elected by them?
@British Patriot EU is Islamophobic?
There is a lot you can do as united but not lonely
yeah. the soviet union managed to fck up many places. that is a lot.
@@farkasabel learn how Russian soldiers raped women all over central Europe - this is how Russians "unite places"
@123 456 gun violence in the US is nothing compared to Latin America
Ireneusz Pyc Oh that’s soooo original and smart, compare the EU and USSR, that’s phd level pollitical science mate....
@@farkasabel To compare Soviets ( Russia USSR ) that came with millions of Troops and tanks and sloughtered and raped Millions of Europeans during and after WW2 with European Union = You are a total imbecile. United Europe is the best thing that ever happen for us Europeans in the last 100 years !
6:35 "The EU is made up of 28 different countries."
27 now.
Not just different countries but different attitudes to work, economies, and national traits.
@@frankbecerril9835 They'll be another war in 15-20 years. Too many racist people are emerging and that's how it'll ultimately go.
@@ShrunkedDude If you think racism is rampant at the moment, I implore you to read about virtually any other period in human history. There has probably never been a period as tolerant as this one. What you perceive as increased racism is actually increased sensitivity to racism + increased media attention and the advent of social media + national backlash against globalization. On a human to human basis, people have more diverse and international connections and positive relationships than ever.
@@frankbecerril9835 NATO has that covered
Actually it is 26 countries as the EU is not a country it is just a trading bloc that is not democratic.
There's that old adage "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone.", or in this case, 'til some other idiot gives it up first.
The EU being gone would only benefit everyone.
#FUCKTHEEU
@@SupaSonicFanboy How would anyone benefit without the EU? Please elaborate
Captain X
You totally convinced me with your argument.
Captain X:-
Logically, HOW can the power of one Country on it’s OWN in this World, be greater than the power of many Countries acting as one ?
@@anoptimist7779 China?
Before Brexit I did not care about the EU and didn't really like it, after Brexit I started loving the European Union and 100% support a more unified union.
😂
What's changed in your life ? No ice cream
@@RonSill1986 nothing, i just got interested in the eu politics and stuff
@@geheimnis8187 are you British?
@@RonSill1986 portuguese
Watching the debate in Parliament it struck me that while the Remain MPs kept endlessly saying that Brexit would harm the UK economy, none of the Leave MP speakers tried to make the counter argument that Brexit would in fact boost the economy. Instead they all just repeatedly pushed the line that the “People “have spoken and we must accept their democratically reached decision. Am I surprised? Not when Jacob Rees Mogg has stated “ it might be fifty years before the UK sees any economic benefit from Brexit “, and Farage has said “ Brexit was never about the economy “. Interesting times ahead.
@Shaun Twed How refreshing to hear a leaver admit to why they voted out.
Problem is that Brexit won’t stop immigration or asylum seekers in the slightest. Many immigrants are from Commonwealth countries and won’t be affected by Brexit. At the moment a lot of illegal immigrants are held up by French police in Calais. After Brexit, the gendarmes will wave them through. “ first truck on the left, mon amis “. Perhaps the Spanish and French should tell to the one million GB expats to piss off back to their own country. I fear Brexit will be a massive disappointment to you.
@Shaun Twed hopefully it will work better than by the Aussies: someone told me that they will have soon more than a half Chinese, meaning the other Aussies will begin to become a minority.
@Shaun Twed That's a problem with the UK system then, maybe start by changing how UK's benefit system works?
What's interesting is how many MPs are using the economy as an excuse to overturn a democratic vote. I voted remain, but we lost; so now I want to see Brexit happen or else we no longer live in a democracy. It doesn't matter how bad the economy gets, it will never be as bad as having a parliament that decides it can do whatever it likes irrespective of what people vote for.
@@MDP1702 You are not wrong! It was Tony Blair and his government who messed up when he decided not to implement the protections that other EU countries implemented when new members countries were admitted during the time he was PM. The result was huge numbers of people coming to the UK and, of course, TB had made exactly no extra resources available for education, healthcare, housing etc. How was this going to do anything other than stoke resentment? And when people started to complain about it he called them racist. That is when it all began - Tony Blair is the one who started Brexit.
United we stand devided we fall......
especially as regards typos !
andrew chambers yh that bothers me much more tbh. Much more than all the lies the UK has been saying the last few years 👏👏. UK is not perfect or not a paradise, nether the EU. UK has been proven to be a massive shit show.
United we also lose our individual power and/or rights!
@@nicolasn.7202 So, let's go anarchy? Or break up the union so we won't have other choices but to obey either Russia, the USA or China?
Id rather fall as a free country than living on my knees bring ruled by a (mostly) foreign government
Now here’s the thing, living in the US, we’ve got enough of our own shit that’s been going on for me to have paid much attention to Brexit.
But.. isn’t the EU as a sociopolitical and socioeconomic concept the thing that made Europe just prosper in the past few decades? The Euro as a seemingly universal currency, the ease of taking transport from one country to another because of that bond, the relative ease of (safe) citizens to immigrate between countries because of the shared records helping streamline things?
This whole entire EU concept in my mind was just about the exact thing that made Europe so good on a day-to-day basis compared to the US. What’s wrong with it people hate so much other than shared national finances with people you can’t even speak to without a translation app..?
Europe have prospered even before the creation of the European Union, but that was because all the major European powers had colonial empires which allows them substantial leverage in international affairs. Following the devastation of WWII and decolonisation, European nations found themselves substantially diminished and situated in the middle of two great powers (USA and Soviet Union). They realised they need to stick together and work as one in order to stand a chance.
This bring up another purpose of the EU. Robert Schuman, the founder of the European Coal and Steel Community (the precursor to the EU) once remarked that (paraphrased) “the joining of the vital industries of war makes inter-European warfare not only unthinkable, but materially impossible”. This is the original purpose of the EU. By tying European nations together into a structure of legal, economic and political institutions it was hoped that this would prevent a major war between European powers a la WWII.
The economic benefits of such a union have always been conceived as a good side effect, but never the true purpose of the EU. However, with the fall of the Berlin Wall and many Central and Eastern European countries joining the EU, the industrial economies of the West suddenly gained access to a huge untapped market and cheap labour, while the newly joined countries received EU funding and badly needed foreign investment. This allowed the EU to experience unprecedented prosperity (at least until 2013).
This is I think the fundamental reason why the UK have always disliked the EU and why Brexit happened. The UK have always viewed the EU as fundamentally a trade bloc and as such very wary of any political actions the EU undertakes, something not shared by France or Germany. That coupled with the imperial nostalgia of many older people in the UK (Churchill once said: “If Britain must choose between Europe and the ocean, she will always choose the open sea”) created the Brexit situation we see today.
However, this is not to say that other European nations does not have their fair share of euroskepticism. But it is interesting that many of those countries the antagonism against the EU only became prominent after the refugee crisis of 2015, whereas in the UK criticism of the EU have been prevalent back when Cameron was PM.
It has made the European nations prosper indeed, but its effects are not so widely known or acknowledged by local politicians, media and ultimately people. Brussels is often used as a scapegoat for unpopular policies.
Moreover, some countries (Britain of course, France to a lesser extent) are still thinking they live in the XIXth century, and are major nations and powers - they just don't understand that they've become minor players, and that only through EU can they play face to face with US, China, soon India and other rising countries.
Righwing nationalists are the main ones opposed to the EU. Nationalists don't care about "others". They don't want "others" in their country and they don't like the idea of paying taxes that will go to the "others". It's basically the same problem with them as in the US, not as bad but we also have our fair share of Reichwingers.
@@maythesciencebewithyou curiously these are nations having such a massive immigration themselves as creating new immigration nations. Not to forget the expats.
The negative perceptions (the validity of them is another discussion) are unrestrained immigration affecting local jobs, wages, straining of public infrastructure such as hospitals and public transport and taking benefits that people pay taxes to fund, as well as changing the social fabric and cultures of various communities due to the large number of new foreign nationals entering the communities including those who illegally entered Europe who then manage to reach other countries such as the UK. Also cost of being a member of Europe, again wasting tax payer money. Laws from the EU removing the sovereignty of the individual member countries. Unaccountability and none elected officials in Brussels who decide these laws. I think they are the major causes of concern from people about the EU.
Brexit has demonsrated how important the European Union really is
Brexit has demonstrated how important the EU is for useless, failed, corrupt politicians who have failed at home and have a nice cushy well paid job in Brussels to go to.
There! Fixed it for you!
@@johnrandall125 please look at the result of the latest European Parliament elections all over Europe.
@@thomasdanielsen9941 I did. Record numbers of anti-EU people were elected to that joke of an EU parliament!
@@johnrandall125 sure, and you properly also think its better for UK to leave the EU. For you, I really hope its going to be a no deal scenario. This isnt WWII where you will be saved by the USA. Today every country depend on the ability to trade with eachother. UK will lose big time standing outside the huge single market. Many, like your self, hoped that a huge number against the EU was elected to the European Parliament. But it did it happen. No. Never before has so many voted and a great majority eleceted politicians who was pro EU. UK want to leave. Then leave. Your parliament seems unable to say YES to anything. Its just no no no no no no no no no. How about saying yes and just LEAVE THE EU
@@thomasdanielsen9941 We will have to be "rescued" if we leave the EU will we? 🤣
I am perfectly happy to leave on a No Deal basis. Unfortunately our useless politicians have deliberately prevaricated and so we are where we are today.
This kind of optimism is really really good.
Its also false
@@ianofliverpool7701
And so are you
If India could become a federation anyone can. Trust me guys XD
How much autonomy do the states have?
@@WarrenEdwardesTangoDJ We are a holding together federation like Australia.We can form our own laws except ask for autonomy from the main state(includes language, budget, salary of police force etc). On matters concerning the concurrent list such as water, the state intervenes(central government ).
As the recent situation in Kashmir has shown, however, some states are more "federated" than others.
A federation where everyone hate everyone and they are united by the power of arms
The only difference Indian people have is language. We all think the same just in different language.
Divided by cast United by empathy.
Of course Brexit will be good for the EU - did anyone seriously think otherwise? The UK had an entirely different view of what the EU was for than just about everybody else in the EU; once the UK is gone, the EU can get on with their Unites States of Europe project which the UK was totally opposed to.
Exactly!
Unfortunately, the USE are just fantasy up to now
00:42 the "police officer" is hilarious...
Brexit woke the EEC- to make changes that they will never contemplate.
Errr ... the EEC ended in 1992 ...
@Janine Ramos you are fake news
EEC?
In the States, we call this "whistling past the graveyard."
@Joe Smith It means one tries to appear unafraid and upbeat when actually in a very bad situation.
In short: it unites
no it benefits Germany to the detirement of all the other nations, that not uniting
@@davidrenton stop crying man..get out move on
@@MrCrish81 I'm not crying, we won, Brexit is a reality. Seems the only people moaning and crying are remoaners who can't accept reality.
The EU is on it's continual downward trajectory, Brexit supporters are laughing at you, you people are deluded, not very smart and it's hilarious. Were laughing not crying.
@@davidrenton Sweet. Of course you are laughing. It will take few years before you start crying.
2:50 in Mme Le Penn is trying to " reform the EU from within". Where have I heard that before?
@Dark Thoughts but things are looking up Too right. But where one leads, others may follow.....
She's a scammer
‘Brexit is like watching your library being burned down by people who can't read.’ Jonathon Jubb.
But if its your own personal library, why would other people care
@@darrenbellenger1 It's a library that the majority of Brits support.
@@redpeony Then the libdems and labour had nothing to fear from an election did they?
@@darrenbellenger1 They feared Boris sneaking us out on a no deal while Parliament was closed for an election.
@@redpeony No they didn't, they could have voted for his deal. The one they said he could never get. They are looking at the election polls.
Long live Europe! 🇪🇺❤️
Nikola Prolić EU is a brilliant project by itself!
The problem is how it’s being executed..
How can independent EU countries have less freedom that individual states under one American country?
You have to let EU members to manage their own tax policies & immigration!
@@djtdjt8921 We are in a desperate need of radical reforms and original visions for the brighter future of the Union. A lot needs to fixed. We ought to be vote smartly and put pressure on our national and EU politicians
Nikola Prolić but how can you put a pressure on Brussels is the laws in Brussels are NOT being made by Parliament but Commission?
EU Commissions are NOT elected, but selected & can not be fired 🤷🏼♂️
Agreed, but not the EU
@@djtdjt8921 why are you not putting pressure on your own government? The EU Commissioner is selected like all your ministries. She/ he are only representing your government in the EU Commission.
This is all about proud ... brits still thinking and act like superpower
I hear that a lot, but only from people against brexit. The brexit vote was about independence, not about asserting superiority.
@@alex29443 don't even bother trying to tell these people the truth they won't listen
I am a Brexiteer and Proud of it. From Chris in Derbyshire, England
Chris D' Van-Hilton the farmers and engineering workers of Derbyshire won’t be so pleased with themselves, say goodbye to Toyota
Another Proud Boy
The truth is that the happiest people on Earth are living in Europe and are members of the EU;)
What about Norway and Switzerland those aren’t EU member states.
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Forex? I had interest in forex trading and crypto stocks investments but was discouraged by friends and family, I was being ignorant though
I have been in such situation before and it wasn’t an easy one
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That is so huge
Good News! Go Volt. Go EU.
This film is pro EU ?
Very pro EU. Pure propaganda.
Isn't that obviously clear?
So the EU is like the blind leading the blind?
Alvin Gabriel not unlike the fools in the uk.
3:22 Pretty sure the Åland Islands (and many of the other Finnish islands highlighted) aren't a part of Sweden.
Ahhh the USA has the best economy in the world by far at this time ..because Trump has shown that you have to stop other countries from treating you like their own piggy bank
Who would want their country going through the shit we are?
their refusal to reform caused this mess in the first place
there is a will to reform in most country but just not in the same direction , some want less law , some more integration , some want fiscal responsibility enforce , some want to reduce the budget , some want to increase the budget ...
But because of the unanimity require for any big change , nothing change except when neccesity require it. but it also block unwanted change.
a question :
to reforme eu or to make any other fundamental change how should be the rule vote :
A - All country have to accept ?
B - A simple majority of the country ?
C - A simple majority of MEP who is closer approximation of the proportionnal will of the european
D - a qualified majority consiting of 55% of the country and 65% of the eu population
A you are nationalist or conservateur and all reform would be impossible or very weak the same rule as now
B it will make a country like malta on equal footing then germany it wont be accept and quite undemocratic representation
C you are a federalist who want the european parlement directly electect to take more power who work openly not like the eu council
D you are reformist ,this rule is use in some smaller reforme at the moment but could be just a middle ground who let the decision in head of governement who wont let go their prerogatif easily but also remove the veto power of a single country, big country wont be force to accept want a union of smalller member but also give a protection for small country it will force to compromise
In a way Brexit can be could for eu if we dont waste the occasion who collide also with the ecological crisis , brexit is made crisis , who make clear the benefit of the eu
Not everyone agrees with the need to reform in the UK's direction. As an EU citizen I support further integration for instance, and UK systematically opposed all of those initiatives.
@@Noosejunkie I can agree more with you about the lack of support uk reform have, im also for more integration but UK was mostly oppose to it but also push us the creation of the single market wich is good for economy and also force eu country to harmonise and also make their ecomic effort much bound
EU is a brilliant project by itself!
The problem is how it’s being executed..
How can independent EU countries have less freedom that individual states under one American country?
You have to let EU members to manage their own tax policies & immigration!
@@djtdjt8921 if you let each country make they are own taxe without minimum, you create advantage for the big corporations. If we align our rule all eu country would have more money to spend in their priority or reduce taxe in some case
The map of Sweden is wrong 😂
What
Damn swedes robbing our islands
@@tatiatus3382 how?
How-to you mean north and south?
@@tatiatus3382 please explain?
A politician that’s flip flopped, say it isn’t so
New data comes out.
Don't look.
Stay strong.
Strong and wrong.
Also, who?
Brexit finally boost EU, a nice point of view
TheRaiderra you are a Brussel puppet. The brexit is only the first and more Will follow. The dictatorship if the eu Will not last like every empire
The citizens should claim proper European citizenship. Currently the order is reversed. The "European passport" is a deceptive.
Your proposition would require shifting the sovereignty from the member states unto the EU. I don’t think there’s a majority support for that.
@Polska Gora
Without EU money Poland is shit hole country, fuck Poland from EU.
@Polska Gora your country received a shit ton of money from the EU just like Hungary and yet you insult the EU who paid your infrastructure, in my country we say don't bite the hand that feeds you, you should show more respect because if it wasn't for the EU you would be another kazakhstan
The glue that unites Europe is the UK cautionary tale.
@paul hutchins you lot are pathetic and brainwashed
The UK was never the glue. They were always an outlier. The original members joined to prevent war, the southern states joined to prevent the prospect of fascism again, the eastern bloc joined to turn their backs on Russian and the possibility of reforming the USSR. The uk joined for economics alone. Heath joined bc he saw the other people in the EEC doing well and wanted in. They never saw themselves as European. Take a simple example of the passport control queue. In other Eu countries eg Poland u had ‘Eu/EEA and Swiss passport’ and another queue for ‘all other passports’ you didn’t see poland/Eu/eea/Swiss the uk always had ‘UK/EU/EEA/Swiss’ and ‘all other passports’. They never saw themselves as Really part of the Eu. Goodbye be gone.
Looks like Britain will still be here. This year.
They need us to keep all the poor countries afloat as well as taking all there people. The bad smell lingers from the perishers. And hopefully we will get out and the laugh will be on you
@André It was EU "Friends" such as yourself which helped to turn us off the whole idea of being in Europe. We just realised that we were not wanted and our ideas/opinions were ignored because they did not fit with the dominant ideas of the european mainstream. Very sad, bur unfortunately you can't make people like you or listen to you if their character is so different. It wa sad loveless marriage, but no need to make the divorce any worse than it has to be :-(
UK time to change - Scotland should stay with us and get €..Brexit showed how badly country can be effected leaving it.
Thanks for sending me back to primary school.
Good to see everyone getting dragged out of the pub because england wants to go home early
Not because England wants to go home but in order to discuss business matters
@Denise Bond An Arsehole has a function ...not sure what yours is...Poor angry little troll.xx
Denise Bond fam nobody wants that, I want our country to just forget brexit before it tears up everything it pisses me off
I was hoping for Star Wars but when I see a dinosaur inflatable I click
love that sign that said "52% is not enough", if the vote was 48% leave and 52% remain, then it would have been enough
Certain countries really need to show what they contribute to the EU and why should 3/4 of the budget be funded by only 5 countries?
Just one question for you to consider. Imagine that the Schengen Treaty had never been, or the Euro currency. Imagine that tomorrow, the EU Commission proposed both. How much support do you think the ideas would get?
Trick question. Europe, and by extension the rest of the world, would look completely different, for better or worse. It's easy to point to the downsides, but equally easy to overlook all of the advantages, because today they are the status quo, not wonderful yet unrealised possibilities.
They would be accepted just like they were then, because they create efficiency and economic power. Sure, if you refer to the populist upheaval at the moment, then this would not be the moment, but I mean in general.
@@simoncolombo6640 I'm often suspicious of the expression 'populist'. I think if politician (a) has an opinion that has much support, he would call it 'popular', whereas politician (b), who has a different view would call it 'populist'. After all, democracy depends on popular/populist support.
@@georgepayne9895
Populist spesificly refers to politician that just promises what people want, without necessarily thinking on how to actually fulfill those promises.
Nazis were fascist, but also populist. They promised higher living conditions for German people, to restore german glory and to do this by fighting socialist and jews.
All of these things were popular among the populous at time due to different reasons, And at the time Germany staryed WW 2 it was already broke despite all the wealth it confiscated from jews and "unwanted" due to costly projects to at least keep up the facade of fullfilling the promises
The real word here is ''Imagine''. Not any evidence it would ever happen, mind you, you could keep the pound, blue passports and crowns on pint glasses while still being in the EU.
Which anachronism or ignorance still prevent Europeans to desire a strong federal Union away from small non-ambitious self-destroying national obscurantismes?
Spoken like a true Soviet.
Well, one " anachronism " is that only nine out of the twenty-eight member countries get less money out of the European Union than they put in.
it is not widely known that of the tariffs ( import taxes) levied on goods imported from non-EU countries, 80% of the money has to be handed to the European Union, likewise with money collected in VAT. This is absolutely scandalous ! When the UK has finally managed to extricate itself from the clutches of the European Union , WE SHALL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE LOT and spend it for the benefit of our own people.
brian rodney - keep on dreaming Brian!
And Santa Klaus also visit every Dec 24, and the earth is flat.
I think the way you put things is biased and you re-construct your truth with bits and pieces that are inaccurate, but by any mean, if you believe that VAT does not get booked on a national budget but on a federal one, you are a free man and any BS can be phrased on TH-cam.
On one hand, It is sad to see the union lose such a strong historical member like the UK.
On the other hand, a good partnership is better than a forced Mariage and the UK rarely behaved like a loyal member, fueled by -to a large extent- an uneducated population, rarely able to speak a second language, still coming to terms that is no longer and empire, not even speaking about the fact that it is ruled, fooled and confiscated by an „elite“ of public school boys that value more social codes than competences.
Look, you just have to ask yourself where you want the sovereignty to rest : At the member state level, or at the Union level? Once it will have been shifted to the Union level, there will be no going back from thence (without blood on the streets).
Also, while the current collective EU decision making seems cumbersome, it also largely prevents the EU from successfully pushing something really stupid onto everybody.
Once you would have a federal union - sovereign at the union level - that cumbersome advantage would be gone, and the future EU federal government could do stupid things just as easily as any other single government.
Marek Janouš - You call it „stupid“ I call it efficient.
Look how Poland and Bulgaria have actually blocked the development of the union in the last years despite being net creditors, because of trying to satisfy a local voting base. Same happens in every electoral system at every layers.
In the current world, the duchy of Burgundy, Mannheim, Cambridge or Krakow have not voice. The UK, France,and Poland have no voice either.
And I am very happy to sacrifice the small local voice for a more common global powerful voice that ultimately will benefit all citizens, even indirectly, even if they don’t see it.
the UK shot themselves in the foot for voting, not for a renegotiation of deals between the UK and Europe, but for an exit.
They should have voted for a "reevaluation" of the relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union, so that leaves a lot of open space for negotiations rather than an all or nothing situation that they have got themselves into.
Cameron went to the unelected leader of the EU and Merkel for reforms, she sent him away like a naughty little school boy.
Katie I was in Greece last summer and they are very unhappy
they where never happy in history either by otoman, socialist or fascist dictatorship, or scammed by a king.
@Gregorio_S i know how they where, greece was always in conflict, before EU, they were in a war with their oligarchs that had the money (communist/capitalism)
its only recently that they are in a conflict with the EU/Europe and immigrants. conflict is a result of the need to work, greeks just want to print money and let germans work for them. thats the problem if europe is suposed to prosper everyone has to work
We need the EU, especially for the future, without it we’re going to have a hard time as single nations in an ever more competitive world.
Have you ever read George Orwell's book '1984'? It is based in a world where Britain is Airstrip One and the world is made up of 3 giant all encompassing 'blocs' who are constantly at war with each other and have reduced their people to homogenous slaves terrified of saying a word out of place.
We can still have the EU but on our terms NOT theirs, we now have a more level playing field and our demands WILL be met.
@TheViperFan You forgot the tooth fairy.
i wish i was old enough to vote would have picked to stay
Don't worry in about 10 years when many Brexiters are in their graves or too senile to vote, you'll have your chance to reapply for entry. But before that happens make sure to let them Brexiters know that you'll rejoin the EU and next time you won't have the cherrypicked advantages anymore.
@@maythesciencebewithyou Gotta love when randoms try to predict what will happen in 10 years
And once you start paying taxes and you see where your money is going you might change your mind
That amg gt
I hope the European Project does well, last thing we need is a basket case on our doorstep, though I think that's the way it will go... What surprises me is it's people are so docile about it, and don't demand change.
I abhor the eu but I love Europe and an economically strong Europe is good for the UK so while I most certainly believe the UK needs to leave and go our own way because it isn't good for us to be a member I want whatever the eu becomes to do well.
well said anton, its a concept that many don't seam to comprehend
Nobody talks about leaving EU in Sweden after Brexit. Thank you so much UK.
@Leroy Jenkins Alpha We have no confidence, only lots of brain.
@Leroy Jenkins Alpha Do you really belive that? Dont forget why you joined in the 70s.
That’s because no one believes you can actually leave. But, if and when they successfully leave, as their people wish and have voted for, there will be a domino effect.
Lol yeah sure. Vote to put up trade barriers. Makes total sense. 🤡
Like someone said to me on a Saturday night " It's a party, just fucking dance. If you're not in the mood, get the hell out, people are trying to have some fun ..."
EU evolve spark by crisis because we are stronger in unity and the europeen country are force to accept any change. we should see the realm of possibility if we all embrace europe , i will be hard and complicate of course .
@Lei P down with the English Reich.
As someone from Asia, I really like the concept of the EU. It is not something easy to accomplish and it really gives hope. Good things are rarely easy.
For me watching from the far east, the concept of EU is extremely powerful and beneficial for everyone in Europe, however it also has it own challenges, uniting all these different countries, let aside these countries have their own cultures, putting them together is extremely hard. European needs to know and believe the system, be proud of yourself as part of EU, stop only thinking of your own benefit, work as a team, your economy will surely become better than ever. With the globalization, play as individual countries no longer work (that's the reason why I think Brexit is bad for UK). The bigger and stronger together you are, the better future you will bring to your people. China is the very huge example, with the population of 14mils (more than all the G7 populations combined), such the speed of economy growths is unbelievable, but it works. So EU stays strong! Stay united!
Putting more and more power into fewer and fewer hands and further away from the people is NEVER a good thing. Europe has a long and complicated history with many distinct cultures, languages and relationships. If the EU were ever to work it should not have tried to force political integration so hard or so fast. People react negative to that, it would have been better to keep the EEC for longer until the public themselves were thinking 'why don't we do more of this?' It takes longer but it is more stable.
mogznwaz so you’re saying the EU is not democratic? Yeah please elaborate on how sooo autocratic it is m8. The EU is excellent at dividing its pollitical power so no body has too much power.
The referendum was like letting two 7 year kids do the weekly shopping and then wondering what to do with £100 worth of kitkats.
There is no doubt that the Brexit has pushed Europeans to learn more about the nature of the EU. Given the various political vicissitudes that have created chaos in the united kingdom, the citizens have come to the simple conclusion that it is better not to risk ending up like that island.
The united kingdom is experiencing a very dangerous situation in which the country is divided on the brexit from the generational, social and territorial point of view; in addition, some unresolved problems are emerging, such as the Irish situation, and the desire for Scottish and now Welsh independence.
All contradictions that could lead to a possible civil war. It is obvious that no European country wants to venture into the unknown with risky implications.
European countries accept and appreciate the absolute value of cooperation and mutual assistance which for 70 years have been imposed on a continent with a tragic past, made up of wars and destruction without interruption since the end of the Roman Empire 410 AD.
In light of this fundamental consideration, European cohesion will always be stronger and more lasting.
The destiny of the united kingdom is uncertain: one day it will be able to return to the European family or it can become part of its great former colony, the USA, certainly never alone: in a world of political and economic blocks it would be crushed
The background music is horrible
Im glad the people in uk woke up
Well, it will be gone within 10 years
United we stand as one single land !
@:: possible but I do know for sure that one of us can not compete against China or the USA.
Apes together strong...
Very well thanks 😂😂
3:59 correction: the forementioned countries were NOT bailed out by the EU, but by the Eurozone members.
Had it been the EU then the UK would have taken part in that as well, which it didn’t.
utter nonsense, in that case would you care to enlighten me on exactly what the EU are doing with the £1 billion (1.2 billion euro) that we give them every month then? because going by what you say its not on what brussels tell us it goes on lmao, next youl be telling me britain hates europe, when 2 world wars say very differently, or that we still have a grudge with germany, altho british money rebuilt unified germany when the wall came down eh? gimme a break hahahaha
@@gimble8638 first: before claiming utter nonsense, next time do your research first before embarrassing yourself.
The vast majority of the money paid by the UK is being invested back into the UK. But none of it was used to fund Greece. That was only Eurozone members. That what I say isn't what Brussels tell the UK public, it is what lying newspapers in the UK say Brussels is saying. That is why I say: do your research and then not to use newspapers.
oh deary deary me, its you who needs to do your research i'm afraid, i'm far from embarrassed, if any embarrassment felt by me its for you, our press if anything are pro EU so your darned right i do my own research lol, Britain and Germany are the largest net contributors as im sure you're aware, do you know what NET contributor means??? Lets just say for your benefit that it certainly doesn't mean we get all our money reinvested in us (currently 12% comes back thru subsidisation in total) Where is it you come from yourself? I'd like to understand where your viewpoint comes from is all, the Euro is a failure, thank goodness we kept our own currency. Lastly on a slight tangent, it always fascinates me how closely some follow us leaving the failed project, if any other country left the EU i dont think id really give it much thought, yet fellow europeans clamber to tell us what a mistake we are making, why do you care????? you say we bring nothing to the party so why do you care???, ahh hold on its because of money, which according to you comes back to us anyway, oh my god your funny dude il give you that, enjoy your day bud :)
@@gimble8638 Again I say, please do your research and think about what the facts are before getting off on false ideas. I never stated that the UK isn't a net contributor, only that for the bailout of Greece the UK didn't contribute at all since it was an effort by the Eurogroup members. The UK is a net contributor of 545M GBP per month, not the 1B you're stating. If you're looking at the numbers per capita, the UK is the 5th biggest net contributor per capita with only £ 9,40 per person per month.
And when you say Brittish media is pro EU, you may want to watch this one on claims made by Brittish media: th-cam.com/video/f5Ve7kbLoAo/w-d-xo.html
Listen im gonna try and put this all as simply as i can for you, you really seam to be struggling with really basic stuff here, so il take everything in turn and make it as easy as i can for you. Our mainstream media is very pro EU ask anyone from the UK The contribution figure is correct, we are the 5th largest economy in the world and Germany is the 4th, so Germany are largest contributor and we are 2nd largest our contribution amount is common knowledge, its no secret. Ok the eurozone pay Greece, but then the money they should /could of spent elsewhere comes from guess where?? its all the same thing bud, it all comes out the pot, the administration of it is irrelevant, its just taking from peter to feed paul!!!.Never thought id have to spell it out to that degree tbh lol. You said earlier that the majourity we pay in comes back to us, yet we are the 2nd largest NET contributor!!!! If you take most back your a very small net contributor!!! you getting it yet??? Germany are set to reduce their amount soon (not me nor anyone knows what that figure will be) as they are in recession (have been for months) and them being in the euro hasnt exactly helped matters and il even ask again, why do you care?? you say we dont really bring anything to the table and like i said i really wouldnt be interested whatsoever if an EU member country were leaving, and i certainly wouldnt be debating it with ppl from there about what they do or not lol, id just wave them fairwell with my best wishes personally, you have a nice weekend now :) ps il just ask one last time, what country are you from? its just making me wonder as in why what we do seams so important to you, EU will obv have"slightly" (lol) less cash to splash around but you'll survive, anyway never mind, like i said have a nice weekend :)
Britain would do better to focus on their problems, than being so obsessed with the EU! They do not talk about us no more !!!!
We literally have land boarder with the eu and their member states are some of the largest economies in the world. Why wouldn’t we want to know and look into there stability. If if collapses or changes it effects the UK more than most.
Both changes coming especially on trade hits withvirus.
Update on Czechia: Dawn is gone, was replaced by party called SPD (Svoboda, Přímá Demokracie - Freedom, Direct Democracy), still wants to leave. Svobodní do not advocate for leaving EU, not anymore. There is new party called Trikolóra (Tricolour) that wants to leave EU.
As a European I'd like to thank the UK for leaving our union. It's like when your annoying cousin finally leaves and you're so relieved.
@mis da best maybe they just wanted to talk sense into that cousin? Besides I don't believe anyone was deliberately stalling brexit. EU was just making sure to protect it's interests.
@@V3rciS we wont be the last to leave people are sick of the e.u and italy will be next soon as AFD get power in Germany the e.u is over......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ Keep on making stories in your head that suit your narrative.
If Europeans are more pro-EU now, then why are governments on the continent denying their citizens referenda? If you actually have any interest in what the people want, then go ahead and ask them.
If the people are pro-EU, why would you need to hold a referendum?
If they have benefited from us leaving why aren't we doing a video of the UK benefitting?
What if the EU passes a bill saying no one could leave after a said date, period.
Since it goes against the current european convention, that would recquire the agreement of all the 28 member of the union, UK included. Litteraly impossible.
Oh, let's have a special Economist cover to make this all a lot clearer.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
@snorth snorth Brexit will damage the EU longer term.
@Nspnspker The EU is not able to reform and does not want to. We tried to get some small reforms before the referendum and we got nowhere. I live in the UK and know it was never about returning to the days of empire it was about the future direction of travel of the EU. I believe longer term when other European countries see that there is life outside the EU more will follow. It was never about trade deals.
Vincent 79
Get ready. England is going to become the 51st state in the Trumpian states of America!
Perfectly normal to seek sovreignity again. However a global economy is inevitable THAT's what should happen so competition among nation states can show up the idlers........
@Nspnspkr Cameron tried to get the UK special status in the EU and some child benefit reforms, this was all cosmetic. Yes the EU is changing but only in the ways that suit the EU not for the benefit of the people who live in the member states. If the people have a vote on these treaty changes and the EU do not like the outcome they get them to vote again. The main reasons the UK voted to Leave the EU were regaining our sovereignty and control of borders it was most certainly not driven by the prospects of a trade deal with India to revive empirical links. Can I ask what country you are replying from?
I remember when media promoted the news and not an ideology
when was that? Media has always been biased, that is also not a bad thing, the bad thing is rejecting facts and truth and mainstream media is not guilty of it as its critics.
As a snapshot of 'now' this is a reasonable piece particularly with the UK parliament making such a god almighty mess of managing (I use the term very loosely) Brexit which will be colouring the perception. In the longer term the perceived adversity of being outside the EU will either be compounded or offset depending on what the future relationship between the EU and UK looks like and critically, how well or otherwise the UK is seen to be doing in direct comparison to the EU, only time can deliver this answer.
CPTPP membership will add a further massive EXPORT opportunity for the UK. The EU cannot match access to this £8.4 TRILLION market.
I‘m sorry.. but am I the only one who thinks that Brexit will rather break up the BRITISH Union than the European Union? Quite strange all this British media coverage about the EU, because in French, German and Spanish media nobody (!) believes that Brexit will end the EU. There‘s rather a very vivid discussion whether the UK will survive?! Given the Scottish independence mouvements and the northern Irish border conflicts, it seems far more logic to talk about a crackdown of the ...UK ?? I think there might be a different perspective on this topic in english speaking countries?
quite true!
@:: well it sure looks like that!
Katy this is a thorough analysis and an excellent report on the current political situation in EU due to the aftermath of Brexit. Brexit has certainly left other EU countries and the minor neglected one in particular about the consequences of leaving EU. It will affect the sovernity, security and stability of weaker nations making them more vulnerable for outside force. Despite so much diversity and cultural differences I strongly believe that European nations will stand together and United to pursue their common goals of mutual prosperity, peace and stability.
No all European nation dont want you coming there go back .
It’s all changing now
2:22 chaos called united kingdom of special treatment :P?
As the EU goes into recession
Uk too x
Every month the prospects of brexit seem much worse...
So if countries separate does that mean they'll increase their military strength on their borders?
No Nato and European Union are to different things, but they'll likely put up more border controls between Britain and the rest of Europe, and that's a good thing. It could prevent human trafficking like the recent accident/event that killed 39 people from Vietnam. It could lower illegal immigration, crimes etc. but it shouldn't affect their military.
Years and years not letting the UK leave. *UK leaves* "We don't need you anyways 😒😣"
I'm here for the DINOSAUR
UK should leave asap. They have been a millstone around the neck.
Charles de Gaulle was so right to veto the EEC membership of UK due to being incompatible to the European society on the continent.
I am hearing him now saying "I told you so" and laughing out loudly.
Kick us out - please!
It is too early to say that it will survive.
Hungary said they would veto an extension and have the power to do so have you ever considered this
Laurence Gagno , they could but they likely will not, too harmful to their own interests as the other 26 will be very harsh on them for such sabotage.
It is mere coincidence that representatives of the Hungarian government were seen recently after a meeting with the British government, them vetoing an extension has nothing at all to do with this bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/ honest.
@@abbofun9022 The other 26 can do nothing to Hungary. And therein lies the problem. Hungary has drifted far right, actually it was always right. It has been shitting on EU laws and values forever. We'd kick them out, but the problem is that they have rightwing Poland backing them, and vice versa. Poland and Hungary despise the EU, at least the progressive values, but won't exit. For the EU to advance it needs to get rid of those 2 at least. But it can't because one veto vote alone prevents punishment.
@@maythesciencebewithyou ehhh,no, Poland don't despise eu. We are backing Hungary because this is the only country who is our true Europian ally. They helped us throughout history more than anybody alse. We share history and we will always help each other. I don't like nowadays politics of Poland or Hungary but people don't want to leave eu, they want to change it because west don't respect central and eastern europe. We will stay but eu has to try to understand our point of view. Now they are seen as a bully, "we gave you the money so you must do what we say" they claim. That's not very nice. I hope that in next 4 to 5 years our politic drifft more to the left but today situaction is not the reason to disrespect our nation.
Cmon Jacob and his cosins are more then 400 years of experience and still think we gotta be on it 24/7 pff hommie
When nationalists like Le Pen turn away from hardline EU-separatism towards a more subversive approach, this is *not* something to be celebrated. Brexit, Frexit, Nexit could all be percieved by your average Joe as 'external' threats to the EU as they advocate the break-up of the union.
This change of strategy, to work from within, is a lot more dangerous.
Good observation. LePen btw receives donations from Russia. Makes you wonder a?:)
The european nationalist are working more togther
Yeah, the threat is not gone.
@Mike Lloyd The EU can reform. Or what do you call the Maastricht and Lisbon treaty? And if you think the EU is a supra-national *government* dictating the rules, you don't understand how the EU works or what most Europeans see it as.
But I doubt I can tear down the walls of your bias to make you see what's on the other side.
@Mike Lloyd well, we already had one of those, in 2005. Which the people voted against. So I would suggest you look at how that went. Watering it down after those votes probably took longer than the original is my guess.
if only they can work out what to do about the hole left in their socialist budget
RE 3.55. Ireland was bailed out by the UK as well as the EU, why wasn't that mentioned.?
Probably because it was so small, so small in fact it will be repaid in March 2021.