Great editing. im actually on that chapter currently where you get miranda. Thought about training her because she's so gosh darn cute. This is how IS gets you. They make all the late game trainee traps with meh growths cute as hell.
I'm guilty on 2 accounts dealing with Est and Amelia with Amelia being on numerous of playthroughs just to find out her being a Paladin is just the way to go with her.
Chaz Aria LLC Miranda's growths aren't bad, but Thracia being a game with low caps means they do jack. Her weapon ranks in other hand are bad because lolFire Magic in Jugdral games.
I must say Blazing Knight when it comes to quality you do not let the most minute of details get over looked when making a video. Where to begin? The presentation (both animation and live action) is top notch, the script blends factual evidence and intelligent humour in way that it resembles the work of a master class author. Then there’s the Bantu rant... Lets just say I would not want to be around you if some poor soul mentions the less than stellar manaketes name. I apologise if I say this too often but I do genuinely think you have created another incredible video, well done. I also give high praise to the lady who voiced Anna in this video, I would love to see her appear in future videos of yours, to Anna’s voice actress you deserve a worthy congratulations on your performance.
I am probably the ONLY person left on this planet that doesn't hate Revelations; but even I will admit they should just stick to two routes next time (and ONLY have split releases for Japan); considering they apparently really messed up the story when they shifted from the initial two planned routes.
They should also fire whoever wrote Fates' story. It's not terrible, but it's not nearly as good as it could've been. I still can't believe Intelligent Systems chose a manga author who had no prior experience with Fire Emblem to be one of the lead writers for Fates. It seems they're not as intelligent as their company name suggests.
@@mask938 I'm guessing the reason why they wanted a person with no fire emblem experience was because they were hoping for a fresh new take since they are new to the series. This way it becomes less likely to retread older games in terms of the story. Unfortunately it didn't pay off.
Me: this is bullshit, all units can be amazing if you just build them correctly IS : *releases another broken skill exclusive to a new unit* Me: Nevermind
I liked Lyre. I always saved an Energy Drop for her to fix that strength stat, and that was enough to make her passable enough to train in her stage. Also, one thing I'd do for weaker units in RD was give them 99 bonus exp so they'd get a level immediately when the battle starts, and that little boost would help a lot too.
I'm super late to the party, but ironically, one of the things that makes Lyre bad is also one of her greatest strengths: being a cat. If you can get her high enough, the cat mastery skill is ABSURD. Still, you're probably better off not using her... but I found her better than Fiona, at least. LOL (Definitely not saying she's good, just not completely unusable!)
this was an exellently crafted top 10 that if all other creators could acheive, countdowns wouldn't have such a stigma. absolutley amazing, looking forward to more remakes.
@@hylianfelldragon1308 mangs is more than decent at FE at this point, but also he knows what kind of content brings him the most views. Do not mistake the youtube persona for the actual person.
Sad to hear Bantu is THAT bad. He was the only male dragon for a while. For a series lacking playable male dragons, sad to hear one of the few suck. Corrin at least helps as he is still my favorite unit to this day. Hopefully Bantu enters Heroes and gets a HUGE buff.
Dawg your videos are SO WELL EDITED. You put so much effort in each video, I don't know how you continue to do it video after video. Each little skit is like 10-20 minutes on its own. Shits insane.
Thanks much I'm glad you enjoy them and thanks for admiring the editing so much, it does take a long time (an entire days work if not more for each entry) but it's worth it in the end.
I have the experience of trying to use Wendy and Sophia - both starting with horrible hit rates, making their training a painful mission, even if you know how to keep them out of danger. While I can't recommend them to anyone, Wendy is my guilty pleasure, and she became a great General multiple times in my playthrough - but the training session can really feel like a letdown, the promotion bonuses will give her the significant boost that puts her on the map. I however never experienced a fun Sophia build, and she is clearly the worst FE unit in my eyes even now.
I don't know why you talk about the fact that you "Wouldn't want to train any newbies" when talking about miranda when Sara joins in the exact same chapter, is also extremely low level, yet is also an insanely good unit.
*siiiigh* reminds me my first playthrough of Radiant Dawn, Fiona got herself killed moment the Greil Mercenaries began charging, and I have no plans restarting that defending chapter =_="
10: Wouldn't know, never played Thracia 776 9: Saving money on Volke picking locks isn't worth it, just use him instead of Sothe. 8: Yep, no argument there. 7: She tried. Also need more booze. 6: Memes aside, yeah, I agree. 5: That was an oof. Never should've used her in your FE6 LP. 4: Anna totally trolled anyone who actually used Karla. 3: Another Thracia unit. No further comment 2: When you take longer to train than the most tedious game in FE, you know you're bad. 1: He lived into Awakening? Yeah, I got nothin'.
Thracia is quite fun, one of my favourite units (Ronan) is in the game, he may be bad (good res though) but if you want another archer talk to the house by the boss in chapter 1.
Vyland will never good even in heores though because even though that Sophia ,Lyn, Nephennee, Mia,Sanaki,nowi, amd more are better, They made Seth one of the most space taking units in the game
BlazingKnight: Self-concious magazine model who's never heard of a Happy Meal... *shows Olivia* And Lewis, I loved the dig at both Karla and the Summer and Bridal alts from FEH. You sir, are hilarious. FE7 Karla: sucks big time FEH Karla: still, to this day, at least a Tier 2 Sword unit... And your Bantu rant is perfect.
Henry having Nelson's laugh is a little too perfect. Vaike being Junkrat is also weirdly fitting. 'Fiona' I read an LP on the LPArchives where the readers made the LPer use her. She capped her stats. All of them. 'All the Clothes tearing.' ......Is that a thing in Fire Emblem Heroes? Why?
Ok, that's not the point though, Fiona absolutely can hold her own late game if you bother to put the work into her, but putting that work into her just isn't worth it. When you could give your Bexp to Jill, Micaiah and Nolan who are absolutely useful throughout part 1 and 3
a lot of people have told me that mia sucks and yet when i used her in Path of Radiance she was better than any of my other units to the point of basically being a final boss walking on my side. unkillable and critting so much that almost no enemy including chapter bosses survived the phase they crossed blades with her. in exchange for my multiple perfect levels on mia and her general badassery, none of my other units excluding nephenee could last more than 2 phases, unfortunately including ike, making him one of probably many incarnations of himself that could not "fight for his friends".
They are correct Mia is one of the worst units in POR, but since POR is one of the easy FE games it's not too hard for bad units like Mia to dominate if they get RNG blessed.
You know, I watched Blazing Knight back then. The quality has gone up. The opinions and delivery have gone up. The objective opinion has gone up. I want more. Thanks Blazing Knight.
I will say I must have had pretty good luck with Wendy, Sophia, and Lyre in my playthroughs. They turned out to pretty much be one of if not the best unit of their class. As well as a few others like Amelia and Nino.
I've had the same situation with all those units minus Lyre, since unless it's the hardest difficult or you're doing an LTC or 0% growth run there are many ways to make bad fire emblem units very potent.
It may always take a while to see a new vid from you, but every time we get one, it i pure gold! The editing, the jokes, the pacing is all on point and amazing!
It's also worth noting that in H3/4 of FE12, Bantu is actually detrimental to get since he costs you a rescue use to get Marth to the throne before you get overrun. Even if all the other units on this list suck, they never force you to use something so valuable in order to recruit them. Also, he can only use the firestone. Other than that, nice video, dude. Thanks for actually looking into everything for this one.
Bantu? What the fuck is a Bantu? Oh, you mean Tiki's first fire dragonstone? I didn't know that thing could fight by itself. Pretty awesome for a weapon! Wait, are you saying it was an unit? *Laughs* That joke is funny! Nah, it's clearly just Tiki's discount dragonstone, to save her divine one for hard battles.
Sarasaland Subserviant are you talking about Illyana in radiant dawn since she’s pretty good in path of radiance not as good as Soren but she’s solid in radiant dawn I’ve made her good but she’s overall mediocre imo
@@Ethan-nl2wg RD Illyana is a weird case of a bad unit. She's generally usable and while not great, raising her isn't too much of a hassle. However, she has her best opportunity for Exp in the Dawn Brigade, all of whom need exp rather desperately. To make matters worse, she then leaves the DB, leaving you there with a weaker Dawn Brigade and more trouble in later chapters. She's not bad per se, but the circumstances are not in favor of using her.
Nice job! 2 things, an abundance of a class does not detract from a unit of that class. It is perfectly fine to use multiple units of a class. Sothe in RD actually gets his bases lowered in several stats with a PoR transfer, because the game takes his caps from PoR instead of giving him actual bonuses.
I couldn't agree more with the class thing. Makalov's actuallu pretty alright as far as units go, it's just that all Cavaliers in PoR are mostly the same and you've had Titania, Kieran, and Oscar for a while now. So not bad by any means, just outclassed (even if his base stats aren't the greatest).
@@d3-ll754 I think in Makalov's case, it isn't that there are better cavaliers preventing him from being deployed. There are just better units. So you deploy Ike, Titania, Kieran, Oscar, Astrid, Jill, Marcia, somebody with staves, maybe Soren, and maybe Boyd. That's 10 deployment slots filled. When you get Makalov, he's the weakest of the cavaliers. There are better units than the weakest cavalier to deploy. His problem isn't that he's a cavalier, that's his saving grace.
Most people tend to compare him to the rest of the Cavaliers, which is where my logic was coming from. I'll agree that there are loads of better units than Makalov, but I think that's down to PoR having an all-around great list of units. In regards to Soren and Boyd, I tend to switch between them or one of their replacements. Which for me tends to be Calill (doesn't quite have Soren's raw power but makes up for it by having comparable Speed and much better Strength) and Largo (god-awful bulk but comes with a high natural Crit Rate). Either way, I always bring one or the other with me on every playthrough.
I’ll partially disagree, but it really depends on the class. If you’re another cavalier chances are you’re fine and have a shot of being used anyways. If you’re one of 3-4 knights in a game that doesn’t like knights (a lot of them) chances are you’re not going to use them because you have better options. Same goes for a lot of archers. Yes, you can use Rebecca, but she’s still not REALLY that good. Louise comes decent enough and supports Pent. Setsuna is functional ENOUGH but you get Takumi only two chapters later (Birthright) and even 5 chapters EARLIER (Revelations). If you’re going to use one of them as your Sniper of choice... sorry Setsuna.
Doesn't Birthright have a lot of fliers? I think it'll be fine to train both Takumi AND Setsuna if that's the case (though it's been a while since I've played Birthright so chances are I'm completely wrong).
I personally think Arthur is Fire Emblem Fates is worse, his luck actually the worst, even with the skill Gamble unequipped, more than often, he misses his target and is taken out because of his low defense. Even when promoted, he sucks
Fortunately, you can kinda salvage Arthur because of the fact that Luck's benefits were nerfed and Goddess Icons give +4 instead of +2. Throw a couple of them on him and he's much more reliable, especially when you promote him to hero class, since Skill has a much bigger impact on accuracy. He also gains access to Swords, meaning he can control the weapon triangle, further increasing his hit rate when at an advantage. Finally, giving him a Killer weapon when he hits C rank makes him more accurate than using a Steel/Silver weapon with neither of their drawbacks (-Str/Skill for Silver, -5 Speed for Steel) and compounded with his personal skill and Gamble gives him almost a consistent 50% Crit chance.
Low luck sucks, but it's not that big of a deal. He has pretty good damage output, and has a crit aura that can help boost rates to pretty silly amounts. Even if he falls off pretty fast, you can't act like he's worse than anyone on this list.
Actually, I've found that Arthur's Defense is pretty decent given his ridiculous HP. Plus throwing on Gamble and a Killer Axe gives Arthur a ridiculously high Crit Rate, and 30%-ish Crit Rates tend to land more often than not.
7:50 remember where you said the only hope vyland would be good is heroes well now he is in fire emblem heroes only 20 used and he still not good at all
oh and bantu was technically treated as a flying unit in FE3. They took that away from him too on top of no longer dealing effective damage against ice dragons, which he could ohko lol
I'm going to defend Sophia a tiny bit against Wendy. She's a shaman so you already knew she was going to be squishy going in and she's always got 1-2 range. Comparatively, Wendy is incapable of doing the one job armour knights are supposed to do. Wendy for worst in FE6
When it comes to FE either Sophia or Wendy can be considered the worst depending on the time of day, but you are right in terms of role compression Wendy initially fails at her duty more so than Sophia.
10: You get her ELEVEN Chapters before the Endgame??? No time for her, especially since we are talking about THRACIA 776 here. A game that, from what I've heard, doesn't hold back in the DICK MOVES- wait the enemies are easy to deal with? Huh. 9: To the people who say Sothe sucks in Radiant Dawn too... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No. Also... VOLKE IS A BADASS. 'Nuff said! He may not be cheap in his services, but once you give him all of the moolah... BEWARE THE PESHKATZ. 8: Who is Vyland again? And why needing him when Cain and Abel exist? Or Aran? Or Frey? Or even CAMUS IN MYSTERY OF THE EMBLEM?! Oh, sorry, Sirius. It's Sirius in Mystery and its remake. But seriously, once you get Camus... NOTHING CAN STOP HIM. Vyland... er, who is he again? 7: Oh, BOY... Radiant Dawn can be a Grade A ANNOYANCE regarding unit availability... Jill knows the anger, for she could've been HELPFUL IN THAT SWAMP!!! And apparently... Sothe is the TF2 Scout. Since they're both fast in a way... Kinda fitting. Lekain: What about me? You can be the Spy fodder. Lekain: Wait, wha-**BACKSTABBED** Spy: What's the matter? FAT got your tongue?! HAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! **Snort-snort** 6: Gwendolyn: **SEVERE DEATH GLARE** ... Look, you may be the Badass Queen of Bern, but... Wendy: Yeaaaaaaah? ... It's tricky to use you. But you're still the awesome ancestor of Samus Aran. Wendy: ... Okay. 5: Sophia: ... I can still kick ass if given time! A shame ARCADIA IS WHERE YOU JOIN. Who thought this was a good idea?! Azama: Nyeheheheheh. 4: Pointless, thy name is KARLA. Time to get drunk in the BAR-TH. And I'm back in my punny mood, FIR the love of Frick! You're a LOUISE-r, Karla! 3: Oh, boy! A Navarre Knock-off! Like we needed any of those, RIGHT?! Stick to the REAL Navarres. Like maybe Shannan. With an N. And he's a TRASH SWORDMASTER?! REALLY?! ... Lon'qu. END HIM. Lon'Qu: I'll end this quick. **SHAM gets Critical'd. Via Killing Edge and Lethality Combo** 2: Whew... Lethe, Ranulf, Mordecai, SKRIMIR. For Cat Laguz, that's all you need. Laguz in general? Add a lot more... Or just pick TIBARN. 1: ... Man. Bantu, you got the WORSE end of the stick, dude...
I liked it. Some units I've been RNBlessed with(Gwendy and Fiona MVP) as well as others I tried and benched in frustration(...Meg). Some even I like by their design and character(Karla and Sophia) despite mixed performances. Bantu I actually benched right away, I saw the bases and compared to my units. He sat in the back or on the bench once I could. Even with this list some I'll still use despite how lackluster they're likely to be. Though the list reaffirmed my intense dislike/hatred of some units. Shannam... Didn't play that game but I dropped my jaw when I realized he was a Swordmaster! That's some Chapter three stats FFS. Even in Lyndis' story!
I don’t think Sothe is that awful since at least he offers some purpose in his starting chapter and has pretty good growths though he is still the worst in fe9. One unit I am surprised you didn’t at least mention is Nomah from both Gaiden and Echoes. - He is a magic unit in Celica’s path, so already he has a lot of competition - A late game prepromote with weak as hell bases - The second worst growth total in the game - Same spell list as Boey who joins much earlier with way better growths In conclusion, a trash mage with nothing unique to him and will be outclassed heavily by 3 way superior units ( and that’s assuming you neither picked Sonya or made Atlas a mage )
I’d argue swapping 2 and 3, I’m going to be blunt.. Shanam is a joke character for those of us that beat FE4 prior. Him teaching Astra to your best swordmaster is his only purpose.
Fun fact: Makalov is the only character I've willingly allowed to stay dead in any FE game I've ever played. He just refused to catch up and promptly died right after I fulfilled the requirements to get my boy Shinon back. Wasn't going to go through that again.
Common misconception with Karla: You don't have to be on Hector Hard Mode to get her. You can get her on Hector Normal, too. Same thing applies with the extra gaiden chapters and Farina. Source: Every time I play FE7, I play on Hector Normal mode and get all of the above. Yes, even Karla. I really like giving Lyn that Wo Dao.
I know that she's not Hector hard mode specific and I did mention that Barte has to be a level 5 warrior on Hector mode, though since most people automatically think of Hector mode being as just Hector hard mode I'm not surprised by the misconception.
Just wait until Bantu get added into Heroes. He'll probably come with a new breath skill that's effective against all types as well as the BST of a Gen 2 Armor unit. XD
I've come from the future to say that the BST is completely true. Though he comes with Dark Breath instead of a prf. I mean, I guess if you want a more powerful read Nowi then I'm sure he's still fine.
Nice to see your video got a remake and improved*Sees Bantu rant*Yep now i've seen everything in FE and*sees Spirits part*Oh..about that...i already got all the Spirits and 100% World of Light in Less than a month...
Sothe is worth deploying in that one desert chapter, but that's about it. Shannam's bargain is still more than anything Miranda has. He sucks either way though.
Your exaggerated hand movements and choreographed hand waves are remarkably entertaining. I usually just listen to your videos a la podcast, but I am glad I watched this one.
I love general Amelia too since she's the only other general you can get next to Gilliam, also I personally wouldn't say training bad units is a fetish of mine, it's just something I'm very good at.
9) I don't even BOTHER with Sothe in PoR except for grabbing treasures on the desert map. Meanwhile, in RD I have to break the habit of overusing him. 7) At least Makalov comes in already promoted, and he's still crap compared to the majority of Crimea's crew. Especially Geoffrey, who I couldn't have gotten through part 2 without.
I actually did my first run of Radiant Dawn using Fiona (admittedly on easy to get it over with, so as I could do a more “complete” run on higher difficulties), with a sort of themed run for endgame. I wanted to use units that were related the Daien’s great riders. Ike as Gwain/Greil’s successor, Fiona as Lavenga’s successor, Tauroneo as himself, and Renning filling in for his fellow 4 rider Bryce because shut up.
...I'd actually completely forgotten about Vyland before watching this. He's far from the only cavalier/paladin/great knight to fall victim to sheer numbers, though he might be the one to suffer the most from it. There's just so many units in that class line in most of the games.
PoR Sothe I completely agree with. I wasted a ton of exp the first time around thinking he'd eventually promote only to realize it all went to waste. Any RD character is so stupidly overpowered (or can easily get overpowered) that it's hard for me to even consider any as the worst. It's my least favorite since you can rig their stats to max out with little effort, not to mention their Occult skills are all pretty much one hit kills. Pelleas would probably be the closest to being the worst considering his late join time, but until you reach the tower, the enemy stats (excluding bosses) are utter garbage making leveling still easy. Karla is my one of my favorites, but I know she's bad. XD Her low hp and bulk mean nothing since she dodge tanks even lance units but her bad attack and low attack growths make her hard to use since Nergal and his morphs have high defense stats. I haven't played the rest but the ranting really makes me want to play just for those characters. XD Lost causes are my favorite to use.
Sothe from por should not be in there , there is a few chapter where you can field him along volke to get the treasures faster and in maniac mode he will help steal the laguz stones in the desert chapter ( which will help reyson getting transformed for the rest of the games ) . Besides that this video is good , your content has improved so much in the last year ! keep it up .
Sothe may be bad, but there are worse thiefs. Cathy should have been on this list. Dies to anything, joins late, has poor stats. Has competition from 2 thiefs.
Well Cath also negatively affects you for at least 2 chapters before she can even join. I recommend killing her just to not deal with an enemy thief opening chests. While counting a units role as an enemy shouldn't be used often having to go out of your way to talk to a unit 3 different times before they can be recruited along with being a thief really hurts. That aside though no thief should ever be considered as a one of the worst units in the series. They will always have utility and can always help with something. There could be a better thief, but all thiefs can be used pretty easily with no effort put in.
It's really complicated to rate Thracia units as the worst in the series, as combat is extremely accessible in that game(Miranda at base can OHKO enemies with her 100% wrath... only her HP gets in the way, and not that much. That's more than Nino can say), and the later a bad, low level unit joins, the more scrolls you have available. Fortunately for her, the chapter after she joins is very training friendly, there's basically an out of the way part of the map that doesn't serve any other purpose and the chapter itself takes ages if you don't warpskip. Shanam, errrr... bargain also works on the prep screen's shops, which is... something? ...Yeah ok I can give you Shanam. Miranda though, she's bad, but not 10 worst in the series bad. There's no reason to use her, but if you choose to she doesn't actively make the game harder the way bottom tier characters typically do.
Great editing. im actually on that chapter currently where you get miranda. Thought about training her because she's so gosh darn cute. This is how IS gets you. They make all the late game trainee traps with meh growths cute as hell.
Train her. It's not that hard when the FE5 enemies are so weak tbh
I'm guilty on 2 accounts dealing with Est and Amelia with Amelia being on numerous of playthroughs just to find out her being a Paladin is just the way to go with her.
If you want to train up an underleveled young female mage, just use Sara. Sara's actually a good unit.
@Boarbaque and people defend this game, WHY?
Chaz Aria LLC Miranda's growths aren't bad, but Thracia being a game with low caps means they do jack.
Her weapon ranks in other hand are bad because lolFire Magic in Jugdral games.
I must say Blazing Knight when it comes to quality you do not let the most minute of details get over looked when making a video. Where to begin? The presentation (both animation and live action) is top notch, the script blends factual evidence and intelligent humour in way that it resembles the work of a master class author. Then there’s the Bantu rant... Lets just say I would not want to be around you if some poor soul mentions the less than stellar manaketes name. I apologise if I say this too often but I do genuinely think you have created another incredible video, well done. I also give high praise to the lady who voiced Anna in this video, I would love to see her appear in future videos of yours, to Anna’s voice actress you deserve a worthy congratulations on your performance.
A new BlazingKnight video to fix my boredom!!!!
his name's crashX500
@@goatbackr380 His new channel name is BlazingKnight.
I just started getting into fire emblem with fates and echoes and your channel is increasing my enjoyment of the games. Thank you
I'm glad it is and thanks very much.
"The person in charge of Revelations needs to be fired."
For what? The unit balancing?
"FOR EVERYTHING!"
Ok, that made me laugh.
I am probably the ONLY person left on this planet that doesn't hate Revelations; but even I will admit they should just stick to two routes next time (and ONLY have split releases for Japan); considering they apparently really messed up the story when they shifted from the initial two planned routes.
It still pisses me off that the full story is locked behinf what is basically DLC. Its cool you can use almost any unit though
@@tidepoolclipper8657 you're bot the only one whp doesn't hate revelations
They should also fire whoever wrote Fates' story. It's not terrible, but it's not nearly as good as it could've been. I still can't believe Intelligent Systems chose a manga author who had no prior experience with Fire Emblem to be one of the lead writers for Fates. It seems they're not as intelligent as their company name suggests.
@@mask938 I'm guessing the reason why they wanted a person with no fire emblem experience was because they were hoping for a fresh new take since they are new to the series. This way it becomes less likely to retread older games in terms of the story.
Unfortunately it didn't pay off.
That Bantu #1 rant section was comedy gold, and I agree 100% 😂
And the way Anna re-triggers him...
Bantu is just a door you put into a chokepoint lol.
Blazingknight, you should make 9:44 a trademark critical quote. The delivery is so funny and perfect it I can't help but loop it.
19:29 the most important question, is most often the one we’ll never get answers to.
Also should be a crit quote
Me: this is bullshit, all units can be amazing if you just build them correctly
IS : *releases another broken skill exclusive to a new unit*
Me: Nevermind
Shannam is a joke unit. He was meant to be bad. He accidentally taught another unit astra like c'mon he is meant to be a joke
1#: Just one unit renders you obsolete in every game you’re in.
Tiki.
_At least he did something on the NES._
I liked Lyre. I always saved an Energy Drop for her to fix that strength stat, and that was enough to make her passable enough to train in her stage. Also, one thing I'd do for weaker units in RD was give them 99 bonus exp so they'd get a level immediately when the battle starts, and that little boost would help a lot too.
I'm super late to the party, but ironically, one of the things that makes Lyre bad is also one of her greatest strengths: being a cat. If you can get her high enough, the cat mastery skill is ABSURD.
Still, you're probably better off not using her... but I found her better than Fiona, at least. LOL (Definitely not saying she's good, just not completely unusable!)
I find it funny how much of a monster Karla is in Heroes
Still salty that they decided to make Karla good and a banner unit and make Canas a bad free units
She got lucky
@@orb1611 canas should've gotten raudrserpent
Lol i foddered my karla to alfonse.
Yeah...
this was an exellently crafted top 10 that if all other creators could acheive, countdowns wouldn't have such a stigma.
absolutley amazing, looking forward to more remakes.
man you sure have grown, in video quality and character
Thanks I'm glad you think so.
18:09 HE SAID IT!!!
Call Mekkah
@Meqquah
u/Mekkah
Makkah! Get him on discord, he must be summoned (don’t actually do this).
19:29 the most important question, is most often the one we’ll never get answers to.
6:03 we're just not going to talk about Mangs here.
OPEN THE DAMN CHEST, VOLKE!!!!!
Mangs is not that good at Fire Emblem anyways.
@@hylianfelldragon1308 I mean, he makes a living being bad at Fire Emblem, would we REALLY like Mangs if he WAS good at Fire Emblem?
Hylian Fell Dragon but he admits that...
@@hylianfelldragon1308 mangs is more than decent at FE at this point, but also he knows what kind of content brings him the most views. Do not mistake the youtube persona for the actual person.
Sad to hear Bantu is THAT bad. He was the only male dragon for a while. For a series lacking playable male dragons, sad to hear one of the few suck. Corrin at least helps as he is still my favorite unit to this day.
Hopefully Bantu enters Heroes and gets a HUGE buff.
Well, technically there's Xane and Gotoh.
Well he's decent in the originals, it's just the remakes they decided to crap all over the things that made him useful.
Spoiler Alert!!
He didn't...
@@johnheuslerjr9623 Not yet.
@@mask938 Still not yet, lol.
Dawg your videos are SO WELL EDITED. You put so much effort in each video, I don't know how you continue to do it video after video. Each little skit is like 10-20 minutes on its own. Shits insane.
Thanks much I'm glad you enjoy them and thanks for admiring the editing so much, it does take a long time (an entire days work if not more for each entry) but it's worth it in the end.
Very good video :)
Hello from the stream
Louise is ugly
Is that pity i hear there?
Very good video :)
:P
I have the experience of trying to use Wendy and Sophia - both starting with horrible hit rates, making their training a painful mission, even if you know how to keep them out of danger. While I can't recommend them to anyone, Wendy is my guilty pleasure, and she became a great General multiple times in my playthrough - but the training session can really feel like a letdown, the promotion bonuses will give her the significant boost that puts her on the map. I however never experienced a fun Sophia build, and she is clearly the worst FE unit in my eyes even now.
I might need some of that rum, and I don't drink, but for Bantu, I will probably need it.
My favorite parts of your videos are actually the editing where you move your hands and the videos move around too. It makes it super great!
27:08 - 27:15 Which means he'll have more than 39 children. 41 if you count _both_ Morgans and Kanas.
The voice of Anna is a nice touch , great video
anna for cyl 4 Dont @me
I don't know why you talk about the fact that you "Wouldn't want to train any newbies" when talking about miranda when Sara joins in the exact same chapter, is also extremely low level, yet is also an insanely good unit.
*siiiigh* reminds me my first playthrough of Radiant Dawn, Fiona got herself killed moment the Greil Mercenaries began charging, and I have no plans restarting that defending chapter =_="
10: Wouldn't know, never played Thracia 776
9: Saving money on Volke picking locks isn't worth it, just use him instead of Sothe.
8: Yep, no argument there.
7: She tried. Also need more booze.
6: Memes aside, yeah, I agree.
5: That was an oof. Never should've used her in your FE6 LP.
4: Anna totally trolled anyone who actually used Karla.
3: Another Thracia unit. No further comment
2: When you take longer to train than the most tedious game in FE, you know you're bad.
1: He lived into Awakening? Yeah, I got nothin'.
#JustPlayThraciaBro
Thracia is quite fun, one of my favourite units (Ronan) is in the game, he may be bad (good res though) but if you want another archer talk to the house by the boss in chapter 1.
Oh hi there
Vyland will never good even in heores though because even though that Sophia ,Lyn, Nephennee, Mia,Sanaki,nowi, amd more are better, They made Seth one of the most space taking units in the game
Project Exile is now out, man. Time to finally tackle the gem that is FE5.
Venom poster, eh? I have found the finest of taste (not sarcasm)
BlazingKnight: Self-concious magazine model who's never heard of a Happy Meal... *shows Olivia*
And Lewis, I loved the dig at both Karla and the Summer and Bridal alts from FEH. You sir, are hilarious.
FE7 Karla: sucks big time
FEH Karla: still, to this day, at least a Tier 2 Sword unit...
And your Bantu rant is perfect.
Think I just heard the best voice acting for Anna.👍
Henry having Nelson's laugh is a little too perfect.
Vaike being Junkrat is also weirdly fitting.
'Fiona'
I read an LP on the LPArchives where the readers made the LPer use her.
She capped her stats.
All of them.
'All the Clothes tearing.'
......Is that a thing in Fire Emblem Heroes?
Why?
Capped stats Fiona could likely solo the entire game
Ok, that's not the point though, Fiona absolutely can hold her own late game if you bother to put the work into her, but putting that work into her just isn't worth it.
When you could give your Bexp to Jill, Micaiah and Nolan who are absolutely useful throughout part 1 and 3
The clothes tearing is indeed a thing in heroes.
The reason why this happens is because
So anyway, be sure to buy more orbs
Eh, it's more of a 3DS thing. Makes you lick your lips, right?
Excuse me what?
She capped all of her stats?
I just love the way humour is incorporated in these videos. Fun and plenty but never overtaking the contents of the video
a lot of people have told me that mia sucks and yet when i used her in Path of Radiance she was better than any of my other units to the point of basically being a final boss walking on my side. unkillable and critting so much that almost no enemy including chapter bosses survived the phase they crossed blades with her. in exchange for my multiple perfect levels on mia and her general badassery, none of my other units excluding nephenee could last more than 2 phases, unfortunately including ike, making him one of probably many incarnations of himself that could not "fight for his friends".
They are correct Mia is one of the worst units in POR, but since POR is one of the easy FE games it's not too hard for bad units like Mia to dominate if they get RNG blessed.
You know, I watched Blazing Knight back then. The quality has gone up. The opinions and delivery have gone up. The objective opinion has gone up. I want more. Thanks Blazing Knight.
Karla is there as an easter egg and nod to FE6. I don’t think the devs were thinking much about balance when making her
And Shannam’s schtick is that he’s a discount version of Shannan, he’s not meant to be good
I really love your newer content, and this remaking really shows how much we can improve over time. Sort of like growth units, eh?
Pretty much and thanks.
7:54 This thankfully aged like milk, Vyland is a beast in heroes, and they quite literally *buffed* his design a lot too
Plus he's voiced by Matt Shipman! :D
AMAZING! Easily the best video on this channel! I loved the diversity of games there in this list, other videos NEED variety like this one!
I will say I must have had pretty good luck with Wendy, Sophia, and Lyre in my playthroughs. They turned out to pretty much be one of if not the best unit of their class. As well as a few others like Amelia and Nino.
I've had the same situation with all those units minus Lyre, since unless it's the hardest difficult or you're doing an LTC or 0% growth run there are many ways to make bad fire emblem units very potent.
I tried using Wendy and Sophia and they turned out above average but not as good as BK's version
7:14 I looked it up. This is literally what her ending with that jackass says.
*THANOS, DO IT AGAIN.*
Bantu has one thing going for him.
He's a playable Male Manakete, which is a rarity.
He's a glorified trophy.
Great video!
And thank you for the opportunity for voicing Anna! ;D
No problem and thanks for you contribution.
You did great!
The editing (and content, obviously) was especially good this time, and the dubbed lines were epic! Congrats on the video :)
“As worthless as modern day Konami!”. ROTFLMAO!!! Best insult I’ve heard in a while!!! Another great list!
It may always take a while to see a new vid from you, but every time we get one, it i pure gold! The editing, the jokes, the pacing is all on point and amazing!
It's also worth noting that in H3/4 of FE12, Bantu is actually detrimental to get since he costs you a rescue use to get Marth to the throne before you get overrun. Even if all the other units on this list suck, they never force you to use something so valuable in order to recruit them. Also, he can only use the firestone. Other than that, nice video, dude. Thanks for actually looking into everything for this one.
He can use the other stones except divine.
@@dragonredux In H3/4 the other stones don't exist since you can't access the secret shop
Shanam is actually pretty good cause he has bargain and teaches Astra to Mareeta.
The Ike make it rain thing would've been so much better with a bunch of guys showering in the money.
You have a point!
Bantu? What the fuck is a Bantu? Oh, you mean Tiki's first fire dragonstone? I didn't know that thing could fight by itself. Pretty awesome for a weapon!
Wait, are you saying it was an unit? *Laughs* That joke is funny! Nah, it's clearly just Tiki's discount dragonstone, to save her divine one for hard battles.
A shame how some fantastic characters get so much shit. I'm so upset Ilyana and Sophia just do not stack up without SERIOUS RNG blessings.
Sarasaland Subserviant are you talking about Illyana in radiant dawn since she’s pretty good in path of radiance not as good as Soren but she’s solid in radiant dawn I’ve made her good but she’s overall mediocre imo
It hasn’t stopped me from using Ilyana in both games and making her a goddess of thunder.
@@Ethan-nl2wg RD Illyana is a weird case of a bad unit. She's generally usable and while not great, raising her isn't too much of a hassle.
However, she has her best opportunity for Exp in the Dawn Brigade, all of whom need exp rather desperately. To make matters worse, she then leaves the DB, leaving you there with a weaker Dawn Brigade and more trouble in later chapters.
She's not bad per se, but the circumstances are not in favor of using her.
Nice job!
2 things, an abundance of a class does not detract from a unit of that class. It is perfectly fine to use multiple units of a class.
Sothe in RD actually gets his bases lowered in several stats with a PoR transfer, because the game takes his caps from PoR instead of giving him actual bonuses.
I couldn't agree more with the class thing. Makalov's actuallu pretty alright as far as units go, it's just that all Cavaliers in PoR are mostly the same and you've had Titania, Kieran, and Oscar for a while now. So not bad by any means, just outclassed (even if his base stats aren't the greatest).
@@d3-ll754 I think in Makalov's case, it isn't that there are better cavaliers preventing him from being deployed. There are just better units. So you deploy Ike, Titania, Kieran, Oscar, Astrid, Jill, Marcia, somebody with staves, maybe Soren, and maybe Boyd. That's 10 deployment slots filled. When you get Makalov, he's the weakest of the cavaliers. There are better units than the weakest cavalier to deploy. His problem isn't that he's a cavalier, that's his saving grace.
Most people tend to compare him to the rest of the Cavaliers, which is where my logic was coming from.
I'll agree that there are loads of better units than Makalov, but I think that's down to PoR having an all-around great list of units.
In regards to Soren and Boyd, I tend to switch between them or one of their replacements. Which for me tends to be Calill (doesn't quite have Soren's raw power but makes up for it by having comparable Speed and much better Strength) and Largo (god-awful bulk but comes with a high natural Crit Rate). Either way, I always bring one or the other with me on every playthrough.
I’ll partially disagree, but it really depends on the class. If you’re another cavalier chances are you’re fine and have a shot of being used anyways. If you’re one of 3-4 knights in a game that doesn’t like knights (a lot of them) chances are you’re not going to use them because you have better options.
Same goes for a lot of archers. Yes, you can use Rebecca, but she’s still not REALLY that good. Louise comes decent enough and supports Pent. Setsuna is functional ENOUGH but you get Takumi only two chapters later (Birthright) and even 5 chapters EARLIER (Revelations). If you’re going to use one of them as your Sniper of choice... sorry Setsuna.
Doesn't Birthright have a lot of fliers? I think it'll be fine to train both Takumi AND Setsuna if that's the case (though it's been a while since I've played Birthright so chances are I'm completely wrong).
Time for a do-over, this time, with a better mike AND better footage... And LOTS of salt. Uh-oh.
Did I hear Salt? Better call in Eirika
I personally think Arthur is Fire Emblem Fates is worse, his luck actually the worst, even with the skill Gamble unequipped, more than often, he misses his target and is taken out because of his low defense. Even when promoted, he sucks
Fortunately, you can kinda salvage Arthur because of the fact that Luck's benefits were nerfed and Goddess Icons give +4 instead of +2. Throw a couple of them on him and he's much more reliable, especially when you promote him to hero class, since Skill has a much bigger impact on accuracy. He also gains access to Swords, meaning he can control the weapon triangle, further increasing his hit rate when at an advantage. Finally, giving him a Killer weapon when he hits C rank makes him more accurate than using a Steel/Silver weapon with neither of their drawbacks (-Str/Skill for Silver, -5 Speed for Steel) and compounded with his personal skill and Gamble gives him almost a consistent 50% Crit chance.
Low luck sucks, but it's not that big of a deal. He has pretty good damage output, and has a crit aura that can help boost rates to pretty silly amounts. Even if he falls off pretty fast, you can't act like he's worse than anyone on this list.
LuxrayBlastAnimations Arthur is a pair up back pack for Effie which is the only way to survive until chapter 10 conquest on lunatic and hard.
Actually, I've found that Arthur's Defense is pretty decent given his ridiculous HP. Plus throwing on Gamble and a Killer Axe gives Arthur a ridiculously high Crit Rate, and 30%-ish Crit Rates tend to land more often than not.
Axes can be nice in Conquest due to Ch.17 and he has a good support set anyway. No where near the worst unit.
Just because of the comedic quality of your really good videos you just made a good day even better, thank you for that
I appreciate how much effort you put into these. Keep it up, man.
7:50 remember where you said the only hope vyland would be good is heroes well now he is in fire emblem heroes only 20 used and he still not good at all
Well....Bantu was past his prime ^^; he's really old dragon.
19:29 the most important question, is most often the one we’ll never get answers to.
Lewis back with another video! And it's a remake? Sure, I'll dig.
let's also not forget how Wendy managed to do something not a single Knight managed to do: steal both Fir's and Roy's Dodge.
Steal it and then some.
@@BLAZINGKNIGHT50 indeed
oh and bantu was technically treated as a flying unit in FE3. They took that away from him too on top of no longer dealing effective damage against ice dragons, which he could ohko lol
Well done on this list! Much better put together then the first time.
I'm going to defend Sophia a tiny bit against Wendy. She's a shaman so you already knew she was going to be squishy going in and she's always got 1-2 range. Comparatively, Wendy is incapable of doing the one job armour knights are supposed to do. Wendy for worst in FE6
When it comes to FE either Sophia or Wendy can be considered the worst depending on the time of day, but you are right in terms of role compression Wendy initially fails at her duty more so than Sophia.
10: You get her ELEVEN Chapters before the Endgame??? No time for her, especially since we are talking about THRACIA 776 here. A game that, from what I've heard, doesn't hold back in the DICK MOVES- wait the enemies are easy to deal with? Huh.
9: To the people who say Sothe sucks in Radiant Dawn too... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No. Also... VOLKE IS A BADASS. 'Nuff said! He may not be cheap in his services, but once you give him all of the moolah... BEWARE THE PESHKATZ.
8: Who is Vyland again? And why needing him when Cain and Abel exist? Or Aran? Or Frey? Or even CAMUS IN MYSTERY OF THE EMBLEM?! Oh, sorry, Sirius. It's Sirius in Mystery and its remake. But seriously, once you get Camus... NOTHING CAN STOP HIM. Vyland... er, who is he again?
7: Oh, BOY... Radiant Dawn can be a Grade A ANNOYANCE regarding unit availability... Jill knows the anger, for she could've been HELPFUL IN THAT SWAMP!!! And apparently... Sothe is the TF2 Scout. Since they're both fast in a way... Kinda fitting.
Lekain: What about me?
You can be the Spy fodder.
Lekain: Wait, wha-**BACKSTABBED**
Spy: What's the matter? FAT got your tongue?! HAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! **Snort-snort**
6: Gwendolyn: **SEVERE DEATH GLARE** ...
Look, you may be the Badass Queen of Bern, but...
Wendy: Yeaaaaaaah?
... It's tricky to use you. But you're still the awesome ancestor of Samus Aran.
Wendy: ... Okay.
5: Sophia: ... I can still kick ass if given time!
A shame ARCADIA IS WHERE YOU JOIN. Who thought this was a good idea?!
Azama: Nyeheheheheh.
4: Pointless, thy name is KARLA. Time to get drunk in the BAR-TH. And I'm back in my punny mood, FIR the love of Frick! You're a LOUISE-r, Karla!
3: Oh, boy! A Navarre Knock-off! Like we needed any of those, RIGHT?! Stick to the REAL Navarres. Like maybe Shannan. With an N. And he's a TRASH SWORDMASTER?! REALLY?! ... Lon'qu. END HIM.
Lon'Qu: I'll end this quick. **SHAM gets Critical'd. Via Killing Edge and Lethality Combo**
2: Whew... Lethe, Ranulf, Mordecai, SKRIMIR. For Cat Laguz, that's all you need. Laguz in general? Add a lot more... Or just pick TIBARN.
1: ... Man. Bantu, you got the WORSE end of the stick, dude...
Someone needs to make a 10 hour version of his Bantu ranting.
Its wonderful to see how far your editing and scripting have come, can tell u have one helluva time
Me before watching Blazingknight:
I want to play some 3 houses when it comes out
Me now:
Ordering all,the fire emblem games
Benjamin Schaeffer me too bro, me too
I liked it. Some units I've been RNBlessed with(Gwendy and Fiona MVP) as well as others I tried and benched in frustration(...Meg). Some even I like by their design and character(Karla and Sophia) despite mixed performances. Bantu I actually benched right away, I saw the bases and compared to my units. He sat in the back or on the bench once I could. Even with this list some I'll still use despite how lackluster they're likely to be. Though the list reaffirmed my intense dislike/hatred of some units.
Shannam... Didn't play that game but I dropped my jaw when I realized he was a Swordmaster! That's some Chapter three stats FFS. Even in Lyndis' story!
I don’t think Sothe is that awful since at least he offers some purpose in his starting chapter and has pretty good growths though he is still the worst in fe9.
One unit I am surprised you didn’t at least mention is Nomah from both Gaiden and Echoes.
- He is a magic unit in Celica’s path, so already he has a lot of competition
- A late game prepromote with weak as hell bases
- The second worst growth total in the game
- Same spell list as Boey who joins much earlier with way better growths
In conclusion, a trash mage with nothing unique to him and will be outclassed heavily by 3 way superior units ( and that’s assuming you neither picked Sonya or made Atlas a mage )
I’d argue swapping 2 and 3, I’m going to be blunt.. Shanam is a joke character for those of us that beat FE4 prior. Him teaching Astra to your best swordmaster is his only purpose.
Fun fact: Makalov is the only character I've willingly allowed to stay dead in any FE game I've ever played. He just refused to catch up and promptly died right after I fulfilled the requirements to get my boy Shinon back. Wasn't going to go through that again.
The Charlotte bit had me in stitches, even tho I do think I'd fall for her charms.
I think we all would.
Wish I caught this when you published it lol but it’s good to know which units are not very good when I move on to my next game.
Common misconception with Karla:
You don't have to be on Hector Hard Mode to get her. You can get her on Hector Normal, too. Same thing applies with the extra gaiden chapters and Farina.
Source:
Every time I play FE7, I play on Hector Normal mode and get all of the above. Yes, even Karla. I really like giving Lyn that Wo Dao.
I know that she's not Hector hard mode specific and I did mention that Barte has to be a level 5 warrior on Hector mode, though since most people automatically think of Hector mode being as just Hector hard mode I'm not surprised by the misconception.
17:18 whose voice is that and that was amazing!
Thank you.
Sam Spicer aka samgrace, a link to her channel is in the description, check her out, she's awesome (:
Just wait until Bantu get added into Heroes. He'll probably come with a new breath skill that's effective against all types as well as the BST of a Gen 2 Armor unit. XD
I've come from the future to say that the BST is completely true. Though he comes with Dark Breath instead of a prf. I mean, I guess if you want a more powerful read Nowi then I'm sure he's still fine.
Nice to see your video got a remake and improved*Sees Bantu rant*Yep now i've seen everything in FE and*sees Spirits part*Oh..about that...i already got all the Spirits and 100% World of Light in Less than a month...
This makes an interesting intro to your channel, you've gained a new sub.
But you know what IS top tier? The editing of this video and overall presentation! Goddamn dude.
Thanks very much I'm glad you think so highly of my work.
20:36.... A promoted myrmidon with no stat at double digits..... WHAT.
Sothe is worth deploying in that one desert chapter, but that's about it.
Shannam's bargain is still more than anything Miranda has. He sucks either way though.
Your exaggerated hand movements and choreographed hand waves are remarkably entertaining. I usually just listen to your videos a la podcast, but I am glad I watched this one.
I love how expressive this guy is.
TH-cam has been dry so thank you for the next 31 mins
Training shitty units and turning them into gods on the battlefield is my fetish. love General Ameila even if that's not her best class.
I love general Amelia too since she's the only other general you can get next to Gilliam, also I personally wouldn't say training bad units is a fetish of mine, it's just something I'm very good at.
I gotta say this video was absolutely hilarious, especially the Karla part
9) I don't even BOTHER with Sothe in PoR except for grabbing treasures on the desert map. Meanwhile, in RD I have to break the habit of overusing him.
7) At least Makalov comes in already promoted, and he's still crap compared to the majority of Crimea's crew. Especially Geoffrey, who I couldn't have gotten through part 2 without.
I actually did my first run of Radiant Dawn using Fiona (admittedly on easy to get it over with, so as I could do a more “complete” run on higher difficulties), with a sort of themed run for endgame. I wanted to use units that were related the Daien’s great riders. Ike as Gwain/Greil’s successor, Fiona as Lavenga’s successor, Tauroneo as himself, and Renning filling in for his fellow 4 rider Bryce because shut up.
Rolf, It’s ok I’ll always be the one who always use you
...I'd actually completely forgotten about Vyland before watching this. He's far from the only cavalier/paladin/great knight to fall victim to sheer numbers, though he might be the one to suffer the most from it. There's just so many units in that class line in most of the games.
7:55 You forgot Luthier. (Though kudos to you for including best girl, Vanessa!)
6:11, unintentional comedy from the... other meaning of "golden shower".
3#: At least he gives Marita Astra.
That much is an honor.
PoR Sothe I completely agree with. I wasted a ton of exp the first time around thinking he'd eventually promote only to realize it all went to waste.
Any RD character is so stupidly overpowered (or can easily get overpowered) that it's hard for me to even consider any as the worst. It's my least favorite since you can rig their stats to max out with little effort, not to mention their Occult skills are all pretty much one hit kills. Pelleas would probably be the closest to being the worst considering his late join time, but until you reach the tower, the enemy stats (excluding bosses) are utter garbage making leveling still easy.
Karla is my one of my favorites, but I know she's bad. XD Her low hp and bulk mean nothing since she dodge tanks even lance units but her bad attack and low attack growths make her hard to use since Nergal and his morphs have high defense stats.
I haven't played the rest but the ranting really makes me want to play just for those characters. XD Lost causes are my favorite to use.
Sothe from por should not be in there , there is a few chapter where you can field him along volke to get the treasures faster and in maniac mode he will help steal the laguz stones in the desert chapter ( which will help reyson getting transformed for the rest of the games ) .
Besides that this video is good , your content has improved so much in the last year ! keep it up .
That's only one chapter (15) out of the 33-ish in the game, though. At least, I think that was his logic.
Sothe may be bad, but there are worse thiefs. Cathy should have been on this list. Dies to anything, joins late, has poor stats. Has competition from 2 thiefs.
None of the Thieves in Binding Blade can promote so even Chad isn't much better. Volke can at least promote while Sothe can't.
Well Cath also negatively affects you for at least 2 chapters before she can even join. I recommend killing her just to not deal with an enemy thief opening chests. While counting a units role as an enemy shouldn't be used often having to go out of your way to talk to a unit 3 different times before they can be recruited along with being a thief really hurts. That aside though no thief should ever be considered as a one of the worst units in the series. They will always have utility and can always help with something. There could be a better thief, but all thiefs can be used pretty easily with no effort put in.
And who exactly plays Maniac mode? The only way to enjoy it is to watch someone else suffer through it.
This is one of the best fire emblem videos ever, wow. If you edit these yourself the effort shows.
Thank you very much and yes I do.
4:00 Homer Simpson is my favourite Fire Emblem unit! XD
The wonderful bard Homer Simpson.
I love your editing so much! I look forward to seeing more!
Thanks very much.
Expected of a man with a name phonetically similar to "sham".
It's really complicated to rate Thracia units as the worst in the series, as combat is extremely accessible in that game(Miranda at base can OHKO enemies with her 100% wrath... only her HP gets in the way, and not that much. That's more than Nino can say), and the later a bad, low level unit joins, the more scrolls you have available. Fortunately for her, the chapter after she joins is very training friendly, there's basically an out of the way part of the map that doesn't serve any other purpose and the chapter itself takes ages if you don't warpskip.
Shanam, errrr... bargain also works on the prep screen's shops, which is... something?
...Yeah ok I can give you Shanam. Miranda though, she's bad, but not 10 worst in the series bad. There's no reason to use her, but if you choose to she doesn't actively make the game harder the way bottom tier characters typically do.