What is a Transitional Plane : Hand Tool Thursday
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What is a plane that is half wood and half metal? answer the best of both worlds. the transitional plane has the joy of a wooden sole with the convenience of a metal plane wooden hand planes are so much fun to use but can be difficult to learn to adjust. the metal planes are easy to work but often do not feel as good in the hand. a transitional hand plane is the best of both worlds. so for this Hand Tool Thursday we will be covering transitional hand planes. so weather working hardwoods or soft wood. using a smoothing plane or a jointer you can have all the fun of a wooden plane with the ease of adjustment from the Baily pattern hand plane.
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My brothers gave me a Union no 28 transitional and I just restored, lengthened and put a new sole on it. Works great!
I have a couple of all wood planes , three transitional and a bunch of metal sole planes. I use all of them somewhat regularly but I really like the feel and adjustability of the transitional planes the best. The metal sole planes are easier to learn to use and will stay tuned for a long time as compared to the wood soled planes but they just lack that unique feel. It really doesn't matter which type of plane you use as long as it is tuned correctly and is sharp. Sharp being the key to the whole thing and it has taken me years to finally understand what really sharp is and how to get there. Good video and explanation on the generations of planes available.
So true. Most people don't know what real sharp feels like. It is a game changer.
I just picked up a Sergeant transition this weekend. It was missing a couple parts. But I'm sourcing them now. I've never had one I look forward to using it after learning about them. Best thing is I paid $3 so even if I can't get parts at a reasonable part it does look nice. But I am sure I can get what I need
I have all three, wood, metal, trans, but have yet to master one! But I keep trying; blade sharpness seams to be important.
Very true. Sometimes the sharpest is something you don't know until you felt actual sharp. Up until that point you always think it's sharp.
Trasitional is what we are going towards. yes everyone likes the feel of the wood...ehehheh OORAH!!
Another nice thing about transitional planes (at least in my area) is that they haven't "caught on" yet and that translates into lower cost compared to what the metal planes seem to be going for. I'm sure that that will change after this video. The really nice woodies tend to go as decorator pieces, the metal planes sell as users or collectors and transition planes were largely ignored by both groups. They are a good option for users that want to get the work done and save a few bucks in the process. I also understand that carpenters and other craftsmen who had to travel between jobs preferred wooden and traditional planes because of the lighter weight.
Very true. as long as they are not collector smoother they can go for a song!
I have a Union transitional plane that I use as a smoother. Love it.
sounds like a joy!
All-wood planes were adjusted by tapping the front and back with a mallet. I have a transitional plane very similar to yours that has hammer marks on the front. I guess someone didn't get the memo about the adjusters. Old habits die hard. But I bet the original owner did better work than me!
That is coming. If you spent your whole life adjusting a plane with a mallet and then you get a transitional it can be so easy just to keep doing what you're doing.
Wooden planes are often preferred in Europe, because they are much lighter if you have to take one to the job site, and if you have ever dropped a cast iron plane on a cement floor, then you probably picked up the pieces. A wooden plane just bounces. Just about anything on a wooden plane is fixable, too, but you can't really repair cast iron without making it a huge job worth more than the plane itself. If you are just going to knock the edge off a board, though, you will probably put a groove in the sole of your wooden plane. The same goes for hitting a nail or other piece of hardware. That being said, I once set my router down next to a cast iron plane and the carbide bit chewed a big ugly hole in the sole that is still visible today. Every time I see it, I make two fists, unconsciously protecting my fingers from that router that I don't have any more.
Very true. Does not sound like a fun time with a router.
I have a Stanley #26. There're not that popular for collectors, but after restoring it, I really like using it.
Very true. You can often get good prices.
I use both metal and transitional planes. My #28 fore plane (transitional) is my go to plane that stays on/near the bench. Two blades, one with a slight curve and one straight. It's great for clamping upside down in the vise to do small parts.
Thanks. True I forgot to mention clamping it in the vice.
I just picked up an old transitional at our recent mwtca meet for a little bit of nothing. I love it after I gave the iron some love. I have done very little with hand planes, so I guess it’s a case of “ ya don’t know what ya don’t know” 😉 Thanks James!
So true!
I have an old Sargent transitional jack that I keep around because I do like to make boards by hand and rough plane them similar to how you showed in one of your earlier videos. I do not, however, like having to disassemble the entire plane after making a board so that I can dry and re-oil everything, and a wooden plane keeps you from having to do that, save for the iron assembly and whatnot. A metal plane would be a rust monster the next day if I just let it sit there after planing a piece of green wood into a rough board (don’t ask me how I know ha!)
You're exactly right about how nice a wooden sole plane feels sliding across a board. I have and use both. Nice video James.
Thanks man. Right on.
I prefer the all metal plane. Only for one reason. I cannot saw straight. Plain and simple. I don't think I could make a new sole for a transitional plane. I am not even sure how to make a new sole for a transitional plane. Exact angles and really precise craftsmanship is a couple of years of practice away for me.
I know that feeling. it is so nice when a cut goes the way you expect it to.
I have a set of pre-1924 all-wood Scottish-made Mathieson planes. Smoother, Jack, Jointer. I love them, I use them, and people are amazed that I actually use these antiques, which I got all very cheaply and didn't have to expend a lot of effort restoring them. I have used the all-metal Bailey planes too, back when I was in high school. I just can't afford them! I have grown to love wooden-sole planes, and I would really like to try out transitionals. Knowing what I am like, I will eventually end up with a set of all-wood antiques, transitional antiques and vintage all-metal bailey planes.
Had never seen a transitional until your video. Thanks,this was very informative.
My pleasure.
I think you should check out the primus planes from germany manufacturer ECE. Traditional wooden plane with fine srew adjusted iron. you probably will like them
I have a couple of those. They're a lot of fun
I prefer transitional's and am restoring a Stanley No. 23, an STS Siegley, and a Sargent No. 3411. The Stanly is my favorite and the Sargent has a poorly ergonomic tote, nicely shaped, but cramped. I'll probably replace it.
Nice. I always like making a tote to fit my hand
I have 3 wooden plane's, a foreplane a jointer and a coffin, all 3 are very nice but I always reach for metal, just occasionally I'll pull out the wood and I do find them pleasant to use. But adjust ??? Metal everytime.
Wooden, steel, brass sole they all should work to your advantage. Vintage plane or brand new for 350$ are just a tools in craftsmans hands. There can be a lot done with just a couple of planes.
Good job for giving us an overview of hand tools.
So true.
I like this video. learned a lot about planes. I have several metal planes. I have a low angle 62 that I am particularly pleased with, a Stanley sweetheart smoothing plane, and a block plane. Additionally several older planes that I have tinkered with to make a small collection. I have eyeballed transitional planes and thought they would be interesting to own. Perhaps I will get one or two to have around now that you have explained them a little for me. I have also wanted a wooden brace to compliment the wooden plane with. anyway I liked the video
Thanks. Glad I could help.
i have both steel and wood planes.you just cant beat the sound or feel of wood on wood its just plain comforting. nice video james
so true. thanks!
I have a transitional jack that i use as a scrub plane. Its lighter and not as exhausting to use. I also have 2 ohio tools coffin smoother i use and prefer and a ohio tools panal plane i use for smoothing table tops. I really love my wooden planea i prefer them for smoothing and rough work
So true. They are so light.
For some reason I kept dismissing these planes for a long time... until I found out after buying a couple that they felt more pleasant to me than their metal counteparts. Now my main plane is a transitional plane (in fact i have allmost entirely switched to wooden planes). The ease of adjustment and the way they glide over the wood... it's like the best of both world !
I love those transitionals. Thanks James
so much fun!
Have a couple of the transitionals, love to use both, the wood base Jones I are lighter weight. The first one I bought has a finger lift adjustment no.29, great jointer. Have bought several more, one reason restore and hopefully pass on to future generations and the other to actually use, no sense in keeping them on a shelf, when they work so well.
Nice. So true!
Good video. I just found one in an old wooden tool box. A Sargeant No. 3415. I'm going to clean it up and see how she runs!
I just picked up a nice Bailey No 0026(?)Trans today at Liberty Tool for $26.
The tote needs a glue up, but other than that a good cleaning, flattening and sharpening should do it. Thinking of making a fore plane out of it.
They had a whole shelf full of em too.
I have a Sargent # 3411 transitional that I just finished cleaning-up and sharpening the blade, which is a Stanley, so a replacement. Looking forward to putting it to work soon. Some good tips here that helpped me out!
Thats imteresting! Here in Croatia we still use this old type of wooden hand planes without any iron in plane’s body!
those are far more common in Europ. you tend to use what you learned on.
Wood By Wright yes but I would be very happy to try this American iron plane one day. I am very curious about it!!
This was a cool video. I just seen a couple transition planes at a fleet market on the weekend. The planes were in fantastic condition. The owner was not around so I didn't get the price. I expect I would have been scared. If I see it again I'm going to find out. :)
Nice. Good luck plane hunting.
Have a union transitional that has a lever to adjust blade depth instead of the Bailey style knob and screw. Still working on the restore.
Nice. that is an older one then. nice find!
I'm going to try the transitional in a little bit.
I think that regardless of the style of plane, having a tapered iron with a thick cutting end makes hand sharpening easier. I've really only seen that with wood.
Yes. Tapered irons were easier to make when all of the irons were forged. On ce machine manufacturing came around that become incredibly difficult to create and so most everyone moved to a flat iron.
I love the all wood. Don Jackson Remington Magnum
Do you have an episode of replacing the wooden sole? I am one of the weirdos that love the transitional planes
I do not. that would be a good one, but I have never had one that I needed to do that with.
James what the hold up? Lol. I dont have the big parking lot store acces, alot of " I saw one at a yard sale" coworkers and famly, but making a plane using a cheep box store plane guts would be a nice video.
I'm the same everyone likes to hate on them but I think there beautiful
Greg Humble yes! I like to just lightly sand the wooden sole to where some of the age is left but still remove most of the grime. Nothin more beautiful in my opinion. Well other than my daughters 😝
Did I see a crack in the Stanley cast iron plane you were using in this video? If so, it still performs very well. I'd always been told don't buy a plane with a crack, even if it's a small one near the throat.
That one has been braised shut. It's not an easy thing to fix but it can be repaired.
James I’m going to have to find a transitional plane to try out. Have not used one. Thanks for the informative video - great job as usual.
I love making those tool purchasing lists longer. Lol Glad I can help
I've never used a transitional plane. Between the other two, I prefer the metal one. That may be because 8ve used them almost exclusively. I've only used an all wooden plane 4 or 5 times.
That is fairly common. A lot of people like what they just started with.
I have wood and metal planes yet to try a transitional.
I have come across them a few times and almost always opt for all wood instead. I have and use metal planes and wooden planes but for me I like em separate. Cranky old guy has spoken.
Lol there are a lot of people that feel that way.
Great job!
Thanks!
I'd say currently 95%+ of my planes are metal. I picked up a 26" keen kutter wooden plane a while back and I just cleaned my first wooden plane, a 7" coffin smoother. No transitional but I have been trying hard to buy with a purpose and not just buy every plane I see.
I have one as a smoother that I love to bring out from time to time.
i have restored both steel and wooden plane's i love useing the wood planes as i can get the curls to lay back down on the stock when pulling back and just a slight puff of breath the curl just float away ,,, i havent been able to do this with a steel plane oh and the finnish with the wood planes is polished NO sanding requerd
Stopped for coffee...another great piece of timing...rr Normandy
Lol nice. Here to help!
Infill planes next.
Just got a Winchester transitional plane and came to your video to learn more. Challenge on mine is the knob and wood sole are split (I'm assuming they just dried out and split). Any recommendations for this? Is the only solutions to create new ones?
That can be a common problem with some of the old ones. unfortunately the wood continues to dry out and change slowly over time. And if it is allowed to dry too far It can cause problems. Usually at that point the only solution is to make a new one. Unless you can close the split and glue it up most commonly using epoxy.
Wood By Wright seems like making a new one or maybe adding a 1/2” thick block to the bottom are my best bets. The from area of the wood is pretty badly split, so that would likely cause major issues.
Have only tried a wooden plane
Most people like and keep to what they started with.
Wood By Wright
I would very much like to try a Stanley planer, but have not yet found one in a flea market. A new one is way too expensive!
When the title said, transitioning to the next part, I died. 🤣🤣🤣
Most people never notice the title cards. But I like to have a bit of fun there.
I have a transitional that needs a new handle. What type of wood are the typically made of?
Rose wood was used for most. But that is banned in most places now. Now it is a wide variety of different woods. Most people chose whatever makes them happy.as long as it is somewhat hard it will do.
I wonder how putting a layer of veneer onto the sole of a steel plane would work and feel.
That would be interesting to try.
hi, where do you get your sharpening stones at for your planers
They are DMT plates. here is a video where I talk about them more. and there are links to the specific ones there. th-cam.com/video/9kLdKhLm5KU/w-d-xo.html
I use the same ones as James. Got mine on Amazon.
@@WoodByWright thank you
can you add a wooden sole to a metal plane?
You can but you would have to open up the mouth on the metal plane by a half inch or more depending upon how thick you wanted the wooden sole to be. Also you would have to create a new chip breaker that would allow the iron to stick down far enough. Usually it is far more works than it is worth.
Hey lets make one, a challenge maybe!
First comment :) whatup james
Nice work man!
Was there a secret message at 2:52
Ooh and 4:06 and 6:05
@@gizanked They are all the same frame if you slow down and look at it.
also 2:23
@@Unconventional03 never thought to slow it down to look for the pause. Much easier to stop and see it at .25x speed
Lol nice catch.
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I just dont like bailey adjustment,
There are a lot of people who feel the same way.
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