Shibai can see and hear everything in the past present and future, he cannot be attacked bc of reflection shinjutsu, omnipotence makes anything he desires reality, so he negs the verse
@Josh-ox6nu That's an interesting question, actually. Here's a funny crack theory, what if Yhwach's mother was a Fullbringer, and her fragment of the Soul King was his ding-dong, and she was inseminated by her own Soul King fragment? Lmao I don't really think that's the case, but it's funny to think about. I think he got her pregnant before he was sealed. From what we know, Yhwach has been around for over a thousand years. It wouldn't be all that surprising if he has been around for even longer than that. 🤷♂
Shibai can see and hear everything in the past present and future in any universe/ dimension w the senrigan and byakugan , he cannot be attacked bc of reflection shinjutsu, thinking of killing him will cause you to kill your self, omnipotence makes anything he desires reality, so he negs the verse. When eida used omnipotence it reached code who was in another universe. He also transcends life and death reaxhed enlightenment. Shibai could never be turned to a brainless potatoe
@@kevinlezo1046 nothing you stated is even close enough to beat the prime soul king. First off psk easily outscales as he is the creator of the bleach cosmology which is far larger then the naruto cosmology. Secondly, the almighty has all the hax and more needed to negate any of the abilities and hax you stated. 3rd the soul king allowed himself to be split up but you wouldn't know that I'm sure you haven't read the novels... cry more. Soul king clears low to mid diff
@@simonthedigger3490 only feat is dying. Shibai can literally give himself any ability as eida gave herself the power to enchant everyone who sees her making her unkillable with omnipotence. Everyone who sees her acts In Her favor, shibai can buff himself with any power, he can just take away the almighty from him.
@@simonthedigger3490 soul king still has to hold the universes together with his body. Shibai transcends the multiverse, there are way more universes in the Naruto verse than bleach only has 3 worlds n some other shit
@@kevinlezo1046 how is his only feat dying when he literally created the bleach verse which is a better feat than anything that has ever happened in naruto/boruto? Again you obviously haven't read the novels and why he willingly allowed his body to be dismantled. It was stated that the soul king transcends literally EVERYTHING in bleach. Again, the bleach verse is bigger than the naruto verse so that statement alone puts him above shibai. You also have absolutely no clue how the almighty works. As stated by yhwach himself, any abilities he sees being used in any future timeline against himself, automatically gets negated and the abilities are now on yhwachs side and cannot harm him. There is literally nothing anyone in naruto/boruto could even fathom to be able to even hurt prime soul king.
The crazy part about all this is that you could very well argue that the Soul King is Outerversal. tbh actually Soul King tier characters if not characters kinda close to that tier of power should be Outer too!!!
@@WizyTheSurferSpam Kido, delete them with reiatsu crush, USE THEIR FUCKING HANDS (Hakuda is a H2H style in Bleach), or just speedblitz him before he tries that.
@@Jonah-c6z wtf no im amused at how idiots like you comment without knowing shit about tge verse even ichigo and aizen lowballed are 6d even urahara has 5d feats like opening portal through garganta and youre still on 3d 💀
Yeah, Soul King is basically Yhwach + More He precedes concepts like: Death, Time He created the whole of Bleach verse and his dismembered body is enough to separate them
Don't like cap? the naruto fan base breathes that shit daily. I'm stating this as someone who started with naruto. The fan base makes outrageous claims that doesn't directly align with what's presented
9:45 This is part of what I was talking about Gin actually referred to the Cleaner as a being of reason what is reason? Reason is abstract and the cleaner had power over time and space so that already makes it all Outerversal if not a way above regular outer lol
He could even be able to reflect sealing as that is not really a killing g attempt just like codes claws that werent a killing atempt but were still reflected doemon can reflect even when he's at sleep
The Cleaner alone was 4D and Aizen one shot it not only is it stated to govern Time and Space it’s even stated to be a being of Reason and that Aizen surpasses it, Reason is the underlying principle of the cosmos/Universe and it’s is the core to Metaphysics which is Beyond Time and Space Concepts because Aizen Transcended Reason he would be at least 5D or Low Multi. Prime Soul king is way higher
Yhwach scales much higher than a stronger from of Aizen than the one that destroyed the Cleaner. Prime Soul King scales above Yhwach, even the Soul King Absorbed Yhwach, and supposedly has a better form of Almighty. Considering I haven't really seen anything in Naruto/Boruto that can take Yhwach, it is hard to say even the entirety of the verse could touch Prime Soul King. The only possible exception would be Shibai... but we don't actually have any relevant feats from him.
U can also argue the cosmology being 5D and the sk, who transcends everything would naturally transcend the Garganta as well which would make him and those who scale to him(Ichigo, Yhwach, Aizen, Mimihagi) 6D. But the cosmology is Multiversal+ on a lowball
You’re wrong that we don’t know shibai is 4D. Your explanation was good until you implemented bias. The sage of six paths literally came from what is equivalent of the soul society in naruto, which is the astral plane where even the edo tensei souls were summoned from. This alone proves that Shibais transcendence was AT LEAST 4D because even characters like obito transferred his chakra from the afterlife and that was not SHINJUTSU. Naruto even was able to physically touch his soul proving that the astral plane is not what Amado referenced when speaking of shibai. Momoshiki confirmed this and he’s literally in a different plane of existence casually after his death lol. Come on man you bleach fans really need to reread Naruto / boruto. You are being disingenuous whether intentional or not P S He’s really 5D because he transcends the natural universe which is 4D lmfao
@@samuelbernaldez6671 You can stay in denial all you want but the fact is Shibai is not physical nor spiritual because he doesn’t need those forms to simply exist thus causing him to transcend the concept of life and death aka “Complete unique existence”.
Shibai not even out yet just some hype up for now. So its hard to say how strong and what abilities he has. For now i would say soul king win cuz yuha with his power able to merge real world, soul society, and hueco mundo which make him like what mutiple universe tier. But he also said new people cant die anymore so he somewhat delete the concept of death. That is op.
@@abhabh6896 are u retard 💀 Manipulation of time and space even side characters can do that by spritual magic' kidos 🤦 And soul King is nigh omnipotent of bigger cosmology with better haxs then Featless shibai Everything shibai has are already have in soul king Arsenal and even better version and with and more quantity and quality 😂😂 Shibai leave his physical body and become a spritual being In bleach all characters are that in base 😂😂😂 Soul king and yhwach is overkill 💀 Ichigo and aizen one shot shibai
Haven't watched the video yet. But considering what we know about the soul king, and his monstrous power, I would have to give it to him. Of course assuming he has all of his limbs.
it's funny how they forget that the whole time Naruto takes place in the human realm & just now they're bearly getting hints of a 2nd realm.. while Bleach has 4+ lmao.. I guess Ichigo is 8D since he can "transcend" his physical body & go to Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, Hell, Senkaimon & the Gargatanta... Also the 80% nerfs high level Shinigami's need simply for being in the world of the living without disrupting it is a feat in itself... This best this Shibai dude can do is probably put up a good fight against Soul Society arc lieutenants though..
Shibai is 4d and universal at max While Soul king is Low multiversall Soul king literally created 3 universes and Hyperspace (4d) Soul king has infinite timeline, Hope miracles, Reality,Life,death, Stagnation, pernida's hax, Time, Dimension creation,hax negation, Element warping, fate warping etc
@@Jonah-c6z Novels confirmed Sk is the creator of Worlds Gerard, gremmy , pernida, mimihagi and fullbring powers are a part of Sk's power He is also stated to have almighty
Haber que carajos hablas, el que tiene que aceptar eres tú qué MADARA le gana a Aizen, y cómo mismo te digo eso te digo que Kaguya perdería contra Yhwach. No leo lloros
Best bleach youtuber is back with bangers. also you should do a full 20 minute "How strong is Sosuke Aizen" and “How Strong is Yhwach" separate videos .
Honestly it’s so much to debunk here, u said only eida and daemon got power from shibai which is wrong. Code abilities is also shibai ability, also take into account his occular dojutsu which is rinnegan/dharma wheel (ishikii abilities) and senrigan/byakugan. All ninjutsu, senjutsu and genjutsu is imitations of his jutsu which is shinjutsu (divine miracles). Meaning every single jutsu you have seen in naruto/boruto is low level imitations of his abilities that he can do without weaving signs. Eida senrigan allows her to see the present and anything up to her birth not past it, meaning shibai someone who has existed for millennias would be able to see everything. Daemon ability has two factors, one is reflecting actions by having his palm on someone which also gives who he’s touching reflection aswell. The second is killing intent which is automatically reflected based off just the thought of it. Omnipotence is a program language similar to god saying “let there be light”, this shinjutsu is god level shinjutsu and was used to create worlds (universes). Eida is not an all-knowing/all powerful god so she has no control over it. It activated twice in her lifetime unconsciously, the first gave her the charm ability and the second was the current chapter enabling kawakis desires. Shibai escaped the process of karma and reincarnation which stems from Buddhism samara cycle, he did this by devouring countless planets for several millennia. The by product of this was him leaving his physical body attaining godhood and ascending to a higher domain/dimension just like the samsara process. U extremely lowballed his feats and abilities while misinterpreting a lot.
Further clarification and justifications for his hax is nice from an informational standpoint but unfortunately it doesn’t change the outcome. The Almighty is such a broken ability that you’d have to transcend whatever power tier you scale the user to in order to beat it, and that’s just one of his abilities For one, in the context of Naruto specifically, discarding the physical body and ascending to a higher dimension doesn’t necessarily mean higher spatial dimension. The Buddhist concept scaling doesn’t inherently translate to power as we see with the Sage of Six Paths who basically did the same thing, yet admitted that Madara was nearing his power. But even if we grant that to Shibai, it wouldn’t put him above the Soul King. More so than just taking the ideas and concepts like Naruto, Bleach’s cosmology is fundamentally based on Buddhism, and the SK is the one that created the Bleach realms as we know it. The cosmology was a ‘primordial soup’ until the SK with his power reshaped it into the Buddhist structure as well as introducing concepts like life, death, creation, spiritual, physical etc And Yhwach’s whole goal was to undo what the SK did and make it so not just himself, but everyone in the Bleach cosmology transcended the concepts of life and death and reverse engineering what the SK did I personally don’t think this scares the SK and Yhwach to whatever tier you have Buddhist concepts of transcendence at, but if you say Shibai does scale, then the SK has more evidence for scaling to and above that But if we say stats equalized, how would Shibai get passed the Almighty?
@@jocoolshow The difference between shibai and hagoromo is one can be sensed and perceived while another cannot!! It’s a similar concept to samurai 8 where hachimaru can’t be sensed or seen by any of the cast but can himself and transcending. That is actual higher dimensional, becoming consciousness and apart of existence itself which is Buddhism and the samsara cycle unlike bleach. The primordial world was already there before soul king was alive, he just molded it into seperate realms due to hollows turning into menos/menos grandes and everything being blended. That created the cycle of life or death, but even still in his prime and even tybw he exist on the same plain as soul reapers and can be sensed/seen and interacted with by anyone who comes in contact with his physical body. Shibai can’t even be sensed/interacted with or seen by anyone in the current story. Even Momoshiki who has traveled multiple plains can’t. He also doesn’t have a physical body and ascended to gods domain/higher dimension (Chapter 75). Omnipotence is a program language and bends reality to the users will, it’s an all powerful technique/program language similar to god saying let there be light. If he desires almighty to not exist that power is gone!!! If he desires the entire bleach cosmology to be gone it’s 💨!!! Almighty seeing the future and trying to alter it is not helping u against shibai!!!
Wrong ALMIGHTY resisted powernull on conceptual level. He even resisted Existence erasure with almighty alone.... Remember that YWACH at the end of TYBW didnt really get serious but when he does he will destroy 3 realms all at the same time. and lets stop at this crap about higher dimensions you must remember that in general BLEACH verse is higher than naruto verse since they are SOUL reaper in the beginning while naruto for the most part all of them are people and aliens. So just because some alien discard his body and BECOME SOUL doesnt mean shibai is higher than soul king ..... and omnipotence is not that original in bleach verse since we have the visionary that can willed what he thinks though too bad his a kid so he cant full utilize his full power and yet his under ywach.
Momoshiki and kaguya could create dimensions with planets, momo in base form destroyed a star, isshiki is above this so they are solar system level, shibai is beyond Daemon has only a fraction of shibai power, shibai wouldn't need to touch someone the ability reflects killing intent regardless, omnipotence allows him to do anything he wants if wants to become a saiyan he can, if he wants to have soul king powers he can, it makes his wishes true until kishimoto nerf this no one is beating him. Not even goku can touch him, someone who solos pretty much bleach verse.
@@nosacharles6325 Yeah, it's not a very relevant point to make. However, the Soul King still scales WAY higher than Shibai (given the available info we have atm).
Just want to say shibai doesn't have eida's charm ability that was a power she herself her subconscious created using omnipotence which materialized it. But if shibai wanted to he can give himself her charm ability ok bye🙌🙌
Y do bleach fan always have to low ball other universes to try & get Wins lol The “higher dimensions” in bleach refer to spiritual realms, which use the same kanji for what Hagoromo does in Naruto where he exists in a separate spiritual realm. For Shibai it’s a completely different kanji than the one used in bleach & for hagoromo & it is specifically referring to mathematical dimensions. So yes Shibai is 100% inarguably at least 4D or Uni+, it’s not possible or arguably it’s definitive.
@@shonenkon2456I think you're trying to piss off boruto fans it's not looking a good look for you if I were you power scalars I would do fights they're not fucking one-sided I'm just being honest
@@shonenkon2456 imma going to be real with you young man as much as I like bleach I think you underestimated some Naruto characters I think you did that's the reason why I called you baised cuz I know bleach Fanboys are going to win again I'm a bleach fan but I'm not going to take this shit to the maximum fucking extreme that's like saying you're not giving any Naruto characters a chance that's like me saying that I'm not mad I'm just saying
Bro is a bleach fan, if we're assuming then why are you so sure that shibai would lose😂, omnipotence is everything and the soul king would lose.... Bro low balled shibai a lot but hyped soul king😂
Omnipotence is held by multiple characters in Boruto. Shibai, Otsutsuki God, Eida. All of them are different. It's just a name for an Ability. It's just a reality warping ability.
@@minthuta3288 your wrong. Eida is the only one who can use omnipotence and it’s only a sample of dna why she’s able to use it. Shibai otsutsuki is the original HOLDER of omnipotence and can use it as much as he pleases. Eida can only use it 1 time until she loses control. In fact it was stated that the gods used this ability to create worlds it’s not some bs warping ability like a genjutsu or illusion it’s real. Why tf would they just use a random name for a ability ?? You obviously don’t watch the show and sound stupid asf. u should of just left this topic alone.
Quite literally showed the feats and statements of Soul King in the video having "Omniscience" & "Omnipotence" aswell. It's just that Soul King has more HAX than Shibai. You just exposed yourself of not watching the video at all and simply went to hate.
Where is it stated that shibai has omnipotence. I'm the manga it is stated that yhwach was Omniscient and Omnipotent so show me the panel of shibai being omnipotent
Another heavy bleach bias, from a kyoka-soyboy, i see. From the amount of information that are given, a comparison cant be done. As for now shibai is just a narrative Element, like hagoromo was in shippuden. Also the soulking while having interactions is mostly a narrative element either, so comparing them isnt really possible. A narrative element is always as strong or weak as it needs to be. Lets get to the meat. No character in bleach, naruto or in the other big titles is 4D. A 4D beeing has per definition certain traits, that every character in said stories lacks. The closest thing to a 4D beeing are the angels from DBS, however even they are just very close. Shocking i now, to imagine that your favorite anime-daddy is not what u made up in ur headcanon, but thats how it is.
Well thats a surprising fast answer. I take the offer to debate happily, however there were i live its in the middle of the night, so i am going to sleep very soon. Just to be clear, i am not saying that shibai wins or anything. My point is that people throw phrases like ,,4D" or ,,Multiversal" around, while most of them dont seem to understand what those phrases actually mean. As i said, from the definitions we have about the 4th dimension a 4D beeing should have certain traits, that the characters that are debated lack.
@@ykoijin1310 Has been shown to be 5D ? No, just no. Why do u think the garganta is 5D ? Where is hell a multiverse in bleach ? Just because there are several layers doesnt mean its multiversal. ,,Has been stated" this is mostlikely a metaphor. If the soulking would transcend all realms he couldnt get killed, absorbed etc. Its like the quote from madara that his blade can destroy everything that exists or something like that. Its just a metaphor, for having great destructive capabilities or great power. Lastly, as someone who got his knowledge about those complex physical constructs like a multiverse not only through anime like 99.9% of u, please understand the following: A multiverse would be made if several universes, that DONT influence each other. That means if one vanishes, gets destroyed or everything this has no effect on the others. In bleach the different realms have influence on each other, as far as i know, therefore the 3 planes that are thrown around are one universe at best, but more likely different layers of reality that are connected to earth. Also another important thing: Maybe the author of bleach has made a different definition of 3,4,5D and so on, like he did with the shinigami. Its said in bleach that shinigami are the souls of dead people right ? Well as they are portrait they are in fact normal living creatures because they all fullfill the biological criteria of life we established. However it seems that kubo in his verse changed those definitions from what is considered alive. This is likely done with the concept of dimension, too. We as humans cant create a 5D element, not even in fiction, because we have only theories on how those dimensions work. We even have just a minimal understanding of the 4th dimension, since we cant experience it to the fullest.
@@Odin_Allvater 1.Yes the garganta has been shown to be 5D 2. It wasn't a metaphor the kanji literally translates to multiverse for hell, the soul king does transcends these realms as quickly as he can keep them up is as quickly he can destroy them he initially was cut up by ppl who were similar in ap/dc and got cut down by ichigo and absorb by yhwach because they r similar to power. 3. The only influence these 3 realms have with each other is the flow of souls, destroying the soul society doesn't make the wotl or hueco mundo vanish instantly, you'll have to destroy each realms separately for tht, it'll just make an imbalance of souls if u destroy one of them. 4. Kubo didn't create anything new the concept of souls/spirits been around and you're using headcanon saying he made his own definition of 3D-5D, and saying humans can't create 5D environment is an appeal to reality ur not sum genius a lot of ppl know how the multiverse works outside of anime and bleach fits tht criteria, kubo uses the concept of 5D in bleach so it's reality/factual within tht verse, simple.
Shibai can see and hear everything in the past present and future in any universe/ dimension w the senrigan and byakugan , he cannot be attacked bc of reflection shinjutsu, thinking of killing him will cause you to kill your self, omnipotence makes anything he desires reality, so he negs the verse. When eida used omnipotence it reached code who was in another universe. He also transcends life and death reaxhed enlightenment.
I found that this guy hasn't watched Naruto or knows anything about it when he says "Naruto characters are large planets level" and from the fact that he hasn't mentioned Hogoromo at all and choose to take Kaguya instead to scale Shibai. My kind request, please watch both of the anime if you're making a battle between different anime or it would be a piece of shit like this video. I get it that soul king can defeat Shibai, but maybe not since we know nothing about him but the downplay is the one that I didn't like about this video at all. I've seen both of the anime and am not biased
Where do you think they scale and why. Additionally I used kaguya to scale because she has the best feats and Hagoromo is irrelevant. So why would I use him to scale Shibai. If we knew nothing about him I wouldn’t be able to make a 16 minute video on him so stfu 😭
IT’s doesn’t matter how many of you try to put extra feats with shibai or say if this or if that already being a god and becoming a god is two different things lmao the shit soul king would create against shibai would leave him confused af
@@officejetpro365x3 he ain’t overrated ur just pained and trying to downplay him cause he negs your fodderverse 💀 next am gonna be hearing u Clorox fans say soul king is above fudo Myo 💀💀, the copium you guys ingest daily is bad for you , stop it , you need help💀💀😂😂
@@Reinhardt234he is overrated you fatherless fuck😂Ur dumbass keeps saying that he accended into a "Mathematical Higher-Dimension" when thats not true at all💀the kanjis used primarly mean higher dimension which means absolutly nothing without context😂there is nothing proving that he is in a higher spatial dimension or has qualitativ superiority to the verse💀ur just a mad clown who didnt read bleach, dick rides the hell out of fodderbai and the verse and is indenial as well
@@officejetpro365x3 IM fan of naruto and boruto but i gotta say the son of reio has abilty to rewrite his own death in all existing timelines in all existing dimensions and reio alone has the same abilty but superior and reio is currently dead with arm and legs cut off and all of his organs removed including heart and brain and can still regulate thee flow of all souls and hold the all realms together he can do a psuedo basic abilty to hold the flow of all energy and souls in different worlds its hard to me but shibai is just pathetic try to make godly being
@@phoenixfranchise1464 proof it first you are the one who claiming it I mean what will he proof if what your claim doesn't exist Granganta is stated to infinitely expanding and granganta is the house of the all dimensions in the bleach verse so he is in 4d structure which makes him 4d/ multiversal being
Don’t you think that aizens statement is false due to the fact that characters with even low reiatsu have been shown to damage characters with higher reiatsu for the entirety of the show?
Aizen used the example of a 3d being looking at a 2d being when mugetsu transcended him Aizen transcended hollows and soul reapers putting him at 4d and mugetsu at 5d
Soul king is a joke. His only feat is dying. Shibai can literally reflect any attack Soul king can aim at him. Shibai doesnt even need a body to beat SK. Shibai can manifest his will literally. He can wish SK out of existence.
Meanwhile side character in blech hold the same (-iq) shibai can't imagine to get stronger you are saying he left his body so its means he became 4D whereas all human are 3D so all the Shinagmi are 4D from the starting and how can we not take Aizen who became 5D after Hogyuku and then Dangai or FGT ichigo who slightly above then Aizen
Bro what is this we barely know anything about both and you’re already doing a versus battle?? You guys are the type of people who really ruin anime for us smh
If u let another person ruin a source of entertainment for you that’s on you. If there was “barley” anything I wouldn’t be able to make a 16 minute video on the both of them
@@Azrael_Kajirilmao what? I get universal because he is above anything in Naruto including Kaguya whose non-canon cutscenes show a universe but fucking OUTER?
Shibai's dead body cells reality wrapped at planetary scale and it was a girl who did that jutsu not him. This is the shibai who was still 3 dimensional and the one right now is much stronger arguably way too much for bleachverse. Go read some comics and you will know what type of shit 4th,5th dimensional beings can do. There's nothing that's touching him from bleach and naruto's universe is an actual universe with billions of galaxies not like bleach were you consider 3,4 realms as a whole universe and then say ichigo is universal. Shibai transcends the realm of universe and went to a higher dimension where he doesn't even need a body or a soul that can be killed. He's not a spiritual being like shinigami , he is a being who's beyond time and he can shapeshift reality through will
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966He’s actually right and it was referenced before Shibai was even introduced, otsutsuki are not only transcending but they become a whole different unique existence. They transcend that of physical and spiritual beings
@@frostwave0009 he caps also aizen transended as well in anime and kenpachi and ichigo also in light novel CFYOW and they arent even close to sould king just admit you are boruto fanboy since you dont know that basic fact and you have his profile picture
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966he gonna smash them or oneshot them by them looking at him like eidas situation. Ichibei who is strongest in squad 0 or called the leader of the shinagami vs shibai who is on nxt lvl can only be compared with soul king is a mismatch.😂😂😂😂😂
@@captainff2614Bruh this fodder has only one 4D Uni statement. Yhwach is 5D Low Multiversal and Prime Soul King scales waaaaaaaaaaay beyond him. By this statement alone Shibai doesn't get past Ichibei,Ichigo,Aizen and Kenpachi(CFYOW)
Ngl ill call it out for being disingenuous a little because we know context of the conversation ascension into a higher dimension does not mean into the next dimension. The soul society compared to the world of the living wouldn't necessarily mean ascension or means of a higher dimensionality because its just perceived as another dimension /world. They literally state that its just another dimension. To prove this statement, aizen makes the same statement of what amado said about shibai to ichigo. Aizen proves that the awareness of a "Higher dimension" does not mean a world that is above another. To apply that argument, you'd just be saying ichigo ascended to hell or naruto ascended to a world like limbo lol makes no sense. They both have the same context, they both make the same statements therefore amado a person that is able to create cyborgs stronger than ninjas that can open portals to other dimensions and has a leader that can also do the same has a great comprehension of dimensionality is like aizen did against ichigo. You feel me? Not trashing you
@@emmanuelomego7080 you clearly didn't read anything I said. A higher plane of existence does not = ascension unless it is directly stating it. The soul reapers and hollows can still interacted with if you are a full bringer or just having riatsu or not therefore the argument of them not being interacted with is a lie. It's a dimension with a greater distance but it's still 3d therefore not a quote on quote higher dimensionality. but aizen still mentions that ichigo is at a higher dimension, so vast he cannot perceive his strength and specifically relates to dimensionality therefore he has knowledge of the string theory. If we know there are dimensions similar to this in Naruto, yet we have beings that have the same logic as soul reapers, they can live as souls, possession over other beings, destroy planets etc. Why is it say that shibai isn't 5d? Are you saying momoshiki unreliable? Including amado? Amado has not made a mistake therefore automatically proven correct.
@@Notfunnydk did you know that Shinigami have seals that nerf them whenever they travel to the realm of the living? on top of that, seated officers need an artificial body to even roam the world freely with basically close to zero reiatsu, just so they don't end up killing everybody. Also, did you know that despite all that, they are ALWAYS in a nerfed state? They have to release their true power or state of being to fully manifest their level of existence i.e Shikai and Bankai are their true forms, the "base form" is just a nerf for when they're not battling. Regardless of them being 3D or higher, they aren't on the same plain as mortals. The Sun is 3D, does that mean if it's condensed to the size of a baseball, you could touch it? Anyway, Aizen literally oneshot a 4D existence causing the collapse of a space-time continium. The fact that a captain (Isshin) could singlehandedly maintain that space-time with his reiatsu for 3 months should tell you that although Aizen had transcended 3D into 4D, other captains with high reiatsu have enough energy to take on 4D existences for a while. So dimensionality in Bleach is more of a spectrum than a hierarchy with clear divisions or tiers. Humans 3D Normal souls and hollows 3D All the way up to Captains and Arrancars who are above 3D but not quite 4D. Obviously, it's not science at that point but it's how the verse works. Easiest way to understand is to look at how Arrancars are born, it takes millions of souls being devoured to even reach an Adjucas rank. Literally, Yammi in his nerfed base state merely trying to catch his breath while on Earth casually harvested human souls. Things like Soul crush among other things. I remember Rukia being shocked the first time she met ichigo because he broke her kido sealing spell, why? because a mortal forcing the seal off would result in their soul getting destroyed. This was back in chapter 1 or 2. Clearly, there are ranks of existence to souls. Toshiro merely existing caused the deaths of other souls in his district etc. The lore is extensive, you really have to research things yourself to truly understand how the verse scales. With Naruto, there aren't any seals, nerfs or use of artificial bodies to roam human societies... the Otsutski(?) are just mortal, there's no nuance to it. Now Shibai being 4D or higher is possible but that is yet to be shown as fact, right now it's just up in the air. You can't equate Aizen's knowledge or just the nature of Dimentionality in Bleach to Naruto because in Bleach there's more than just statements or implications, there are only facts with quite the number of feats to support it.
@@revenantronin8377 you're proving my point, why are you guys fighting me when I'm not saying any of you are wrong? I'm literally saying their 3d beings💀 and the evidence of string theory exists? Wtf are on about?
@@Notfunnydk hmmm... reread your initial comment, maybe you couldn't communicate it properly because to me, it read like you were calling out higher dimensional scaling for Bleach by comparing it to Naruto (Boruto ig). Compared to the video, your stance appeared to be something like, "if Shibai isn't higher dimensional based on your interpretation, then Bleach is in the same boat because Amado and Aizen said similar things" At least, that's how your comment comes off as. And you tried to invalidate the Kōtotsu being 4D with semantics as well. (that's all I cared about lol). idk anymore 🤷♂️ You've lost me entirely lol But I guess we agree? eh... maybe I misunderstood. Anyway, good talk 👍
@@emmanuelomego7080his is incorrect. Soul society isn’t on a higher plane of existence then the human world it’s just another dimension. Humans can interact with Shinigami & hollow alike, they just can’t see them in most cases but even some humans can do that. Also since they are physically present in the human world they by definition cannot b higher dimensional beings.
No it just means he his durability doesn't match his power he be a glass cannon. In fact he be killed right away by his own power by that logic so shibai wins by doing nothing.
@@eddieboston6540Lmfaoooo bro want shibai to win bad af 🤣 not even close why the fk would soul king not kill off shibai before himself shibai would just try to survive the power pressure 🤣
Yea the bleach channel would be unbiase I'll give you 4D because if i used the same logic i can get kaguya to that level not giving you 4D would make me a hypocrite. All the realms in bleach are on the same plain none are infinite so they can exist in the same 3D space except one is called infinite but that can just mean vast with it just being a hallway not a universe. Bleach is full of hyperbole statements but you give it them as fact even though the verse contradict itself. You say the soul king would be above dimensions because people know about them but no they don't he only be above the realms which are universal in size on the same 3D plain making the soul king 4D nothing higher. You can't use above human thought because that would be stupid if a human thinks of outerversal then soul king would be above that. I don't like how you dismiss the boruto stuff but didn't even think twice on the same vague stuff from bleach.
Just like the narutards with channels are also biased, Muken and the valley of screams are infinite as well Infinite means infinite if Kubo wanted to say something else he would've. Go read the light novels prime soul king is above everything in the verse this was stated verbatim, Lol dude Naruto is full of hyperbole Temari being able to "blow away the universe" 😂 is definitely hyperbole.
@@pacmiller7564 wow you talking out your ass it's temari not tenten and universe can also mean world. I never said those narutard channels were right either I said the same on those videos that downplay bleach which is multi galaxy except the soul kind who is 4D by this video logic even though most are a assumption. If he can allow assumption for bleach he has to do the same for Naruto which he doesn't do. Naruto verse is the same the top tier are multi Galaxy with shibai being 4D.
@@pacmiller7564 tell me what character actually said “blow away the universe”. The hint is in the wording. “To blow away” is a common English expression which means “to surprise”. It’s a pun commonly used for characters with wind powers like electric characters using “isn’t that shocking”. Before we actually get to a pretty fun debate I want know if you know what character the “blow away the universe” statement belongs to because it’s not Tenten.
The shibai debunk was ass even though I don't agree with 5d shibai or 4d in this method. The interpretation would need to be mutually exclusive because that's how interpretations work. You can't use occumz razor because it takes to many assumptions and its not abiding by what it the original source is saying, it doesn't imply a spiritual realm just because he is leaving his physical body behind this would just mean that when he leave his temporal body that he gains bew axis in the higher dimension that he is in. Now as for naruto scaling I don't really care I'm here to debunk your bleach scaling. The cleaner being reasoning is just in reference to the fact that it is a being not none spiritual and something that goes against what gin had seen, a knowledge claim and just hyperbolic. Humans can have knowledge of dimensions but not the 4th dimension seeing as they can only theories what these concepts are so it wouldn't matter, even then the term dimension would just be limited to what humans perceive and not overall dimensions that are higher than theirs. Aizen transcending everything can be hyperbolic because this not only is a knowledge claim seeing as he fears the soul king and is below him seeing as he's below dangai ichigo and mugetsu but also this is limiting everything to the soul society seeing as it stated to be the case on several occasions that he transcends all shinigami. The terms everything doesn't have to be taken literally. I agree that the soul king transcends everything but within this instance it could just be talking about how he created everything and how he owns it or atleast how he OWNED it before he got negated. Not only that but everything once again doesn't have to be taken literal or on a dimension scale. The cleaner ruling over time is not only taken out of context because it states its ability is to hit or attack ppl from different time axis but this could just be a hax which doesn't mean anything to there ap. Not only that but ruling over something ≠ to your existential being, ap or even dimensionality.
The interpretation of Shibai entering a higher spiritual or Astral dimension, not necessarily making him 4D would be mutually exclusive interpretations along with the multiple other interpretations possible. The possibility that these two can happen at the same time is simply another interpretation. You don’t understand that my entire point was that you can never assert that “Higher dimension” is ‘most likely’ in reference to higher spatial axis without additional evidence. That is because there are multiple EQUAL interpretations, and nothing debunks that. The entire context of him eating chakra fruit which is a spiritual system, to achieve godlike abilities and then being able to ascend to a higher dimension where a body is not NEEDED. Could imply a spiritual ascendance. Lol the cleaner being a being of reason is supported and added on by the Databook. “Aizen prove that his power transcends even reason, Aizen destroys the cleaner which has dominion over time and space” This shows that its not just a knowledge claim by gin nor is ANYTHING about that statement hyperbolic unless your just biased😭. Generally whether or not their right Mangaka usually consider the 4th dimension to be the 3 dimensions of space combined with time. Excluding that, it would still make Aizen 4D because that would mean he’s beyond the 3D dimension Lmao this paragraph shows me you don’t know nothing about Bleach. Aizen never feared the soul king. That is never stated or shown, he was actually disgusted by it. The entire point was that Aizen wanted to become a transcendent being capable of replacing the puppet soul king. And at that point monster Aizen was implied to be above that Ichigo before he activated mugetsu. And seeing as the same statement was used to describe prime soul king which is what Aizen was trying to become then we have no reason to assume it’s hyperbolic unless you have a reason besides saying it’s a knowledge claim 😭 The cleaner is able to move people freely through time and space. The way it’s worded in the Databook supporting aizen transcending reason and logic supports my argument aswell
@@shonenkon2456 Ngl was hoping for this to be better let's go through this. 1. I'm saying that it's not him going to an astral dimension it's him going to a dimension that transcends the temporal one. You giving this interpretation would just be wrong because this doesn't mean anything when it's just not implied. It cannot be a mutually exclusive interpretation because there is no other alternative interpretation seeing as the context over what is happening in regards to things like samsara is just different and what's happening here is something different he isn't going to a realm with no physical means. I don't care for what's most likely because the high dimension being beyond the temporal or physical realm are indeed perfectly fine because you transcend the 3rd lr 4th dimension you and beyond the spiritual and physical aspects of that dimensional structure. Also what a dimension is, just a measurable extent so if this realm is told to be here then the only logical conclusion we would have to make is that it's just adding an extra axis layer of measurement aka a higher axis. It can't be a spiritual transcendence cause its saying it in reference to dimensionality. No the cleaner being reasoning us once again could just be a hyperbolic statement to say that this is a thing that holds no spiritual energy seeing as that's what gin says literally in the SAME panel, it's just saying it's something that isn't ordinary and something that doesn't operate with there line if power seeing they use reatsu... The cleaner doesn't. The data book doesn't mean anything seeing as this can just refers back to what the cleaner is which is not 4d or reasoning itself and can still be a knowledge seeing as gin isn't writing this nor does he have awareness of this being or the quote on quote data book. This would also just be appealing to authority if I'm being honest too seeing as the databook had been contradicted on multiple occasions. I've been reading and watched bleach since I was 5 years old with my cousin... Ain't no way you just said that but that's not the point, Aizen never feared Reio???? Wait deadass???? "I refuse to exist in a world ruled by that thing" and then proceeded to tell kisuke and its implied through his entire existential crisis that he was having that he obviously feared the soul king because he ruled over everything including all shinigamis this is aoao consistent because it was stated later on that no one besides kisuke could perceive him including the squad zero which would reio > squad zero > aizen in the ss arc. Ichigo was stated to be able to do the soul Kings work because of the fact that he had all the races in him not because his reatsu > his and also reio was doing this while unconscious. Ichigo doing the same thing ≠ relativity. Monster aizen wasn't stated to be Above him sering as ichigo tanked all his attacks and said they were worthless and then he could've just been BEFORE he could evolve and 1 shot him he's gonna use it which is why he uses it. No it's not able to move ppl freely through space and time the context of that is just simply in reference to the fact that he is able to hit ppl from different axis in the universe which is consistent seeing as that is his ability. Even then that doesn't mean anything nor does it scale to his as.
@@kadexshidomuda8113 No... you're just wrong about Gin's statement. I may have forgotten who exactly, either Gin or Isshin explained what the Dangai was. _Realistically it's a Wormhole that connects universes and timeslines._ Anyway, the statement goes something like, The Dangai is a dimension made up of a Space with multiple layers of time woven around said space, which is why it houses all timelines. A single space having multiple layers of time is "unreasonable" or "inconcievable" or "illogical", such a space would implode on itself. The Kototsu is the embodiment of that very concept which defies reason or logic as it maintains that space (that's what Gin meant). And it's other function is to "remove" anything it detects from that space which is why Shinigami use hell butterflies to traverse that dimension, likely because the Kototsu has no dominion over Hell or it's inhabitants... so the butterfly acts as a cloak. Anyway, being the embodiment of the Dangai, it's existence itself defies logic and so does it's inexistence, as contradictory as that may sound. On one hand, it is inconcievable as an existence, and on the other hand, it holds the realm together so it's non-existence would cause it's eventual collapse. So, yes... Gin wasn't just being hyberbolic, he was being literal and so was Aizen when he affirmed that notion and claimed to be beyond it. Obviously, you don't exposition dumb to another character who knows what you're implying. Gin and Aizen both understood what sort of being the Cleaner was. Isshin (I believe) is the one who lore dumps to Ichigo who knows nothing (which makes sense). So contextually, Gin wasn't pulling a "trust me bro" because his claim is in line with Isshin's explanation. The fact that Isshin had to use all his reiatsu just to maintain the Dangai long enough for Ichigo to train further proves that the Kototsu was indeed the "force" that held the realm together with it's existence alone, making it 4D as it's a space-time continuum. Kototsu knocking you through time and space isn't just a hax as you put it, it's basically Kubo's idea of wormhole time travel. Dangai being a wormhole and the Kototsu basically being the "worm" or the catalyst that ensures travelling between dimensions and timeslines is possible. So *tdlr;- Gin was 100% right, so was Aizen and Isshin.* *Dangai is a space-time continuum.* *Kototsu scales to Dangai, and Aizen scales above it making him 4D*
bro downplayed shibai to the max just to wank soul king, bruh the raws of the kanji literally denote a mathematical higher dimensionality, he is the same author who made fudo myo and you are telling me he means something else, the copium from you bleach scalers are insane , soul king is no where comparable to a higher dimensional char , shibai destroys based on statements and facts.
No wank needed just fact's Soul King negs and maybe go rewatch the video before seething in the comments. He gave Shibai his 4d scaling Shibai still loses and then you say 'Soul king' is nowhere near comparable to higher level char. Dude shitbai, is just 4d lol you act like that's unreachable 'Soul King' transcends everything in the verse him just being above the cleaner is enough. But characters like Kenpachi and Unohana can affect an infinite dimension, Yhwach can affect the Garganta soul king negs lol Narutards are just hilarious.
@@pacmiller7564 your just bleachtards who are delusional Even Hagoromo transcended time & space easily & he had infinite power from the pure lands (heaven) Here you think Shibai went to another dimension ☠️ The guy was scared to show kaguya was going to destroy the entire time space which is a 4D feat & ended up saying world☠️ which is nowhere in the Naruto Manga
@@pacmiller7564bleachverse along with soul king all max at 3D stop capping 💀🤦🏽♂️, no one in the bleach verse is higher dimensional 💀💀, lol Kenpachi and unohana are continental to multi continental max😂😂, yhwach can affect the garganta by environmental chain destruction through destroying the soul society 🤦🏽♂️💀💀😂 that ain’t a feat , the same soul king who was defeated by 5 elders around ichibe level 💀, who stole his powers and trapped him💀💀
@@rudeffx_1pnah I don’t drink Clorox everyday , 💀, only bleach retarded fans like you spout shit when they don’t even know what they are talking about
Bru u say that this dimension shibai transcended to could just be another dimension but for you to say that you would have to have evidence of what this other dimension is. Until it’s proven this dimension is not 4th dimensional then by the narrative of the story he’s 4d cuz no other dimension that we kno of exist “higher” than Naruto’s world. This doesn’t debunk anything. Saying this could mean this or that could be used against any of the 4/5d arguments for bleach. Your reaching hard bru.
He did not debunk it, though; it could be either of those scenarios, so we can only say for sure until it is outright proven. Either way, he was still considered 4d. It's different from bleach, where the feats are actually shown.
@@irete267 I don’t see any feats that confirmed any body from bleach being 4d the aizen arguments have been debunked so many times and nun of them are as concrete or black n white like Shibais. Shibai was out right stated to have transcended to 4d by 2 people stated word for word. When all of bleach arguments mostly rely on light novels etc.
@obliteratex8966 How exactly have those feats been debunked? The way I see it, it is the reverse tbh. To start with, Shibai was simply stated to have transcended and nothing more. Whether it's to a different dimension or a plane of existence is unknown; no one said anything about him being 4d. That is why I said earlier that nothing definite can be said until further proven. It is literally just a statement and nothing more. Now, the same could actually be said with Aizen's statement to Ichigo that he is on a higher plane of existence than him. Without context, it is the same thing as the Shibai statement, but here, there is abundant evidence and clear feats to support the claim. It is clear to see that Kubo considers the 4th dimension as time and space. He is very intentional about the way he portrays dimensionality and the way he designed the bleach world. Even without knowledge from the light novels, a weakened, mutilated soul king is able to passively sustain the garganta, which is already a multiverse as it contains separate universes such as the world of the living, soul society and other spaces like the dangai which is proven and stated to be a hyperspace. That already makes him, and by extension, Yhwach, at least 5D because Yhwach was going to do the reverse of what prime soul king did. Aizen himself was able to destroy the cleaner, a being that governs and is beyond time and space(the fourth dimension)with a simple thought and nothing more. The cleaner is 4d and is stated verbatim to be a being of reason. Even just getting chased by it could throw you in a different time period(as Ichigo and friends did early in the story). There is a plethora of evidence that justifies Aizen's statement referring to dimensionality, so there is your proof. On the other hand, there isn't even any evidence of there being anything beyond the one universe in Naruto, so it's simply not possible to interpret the Shibai claims as 4d as things are now. Bleach's dimensionality is just that much higher.
@@irete267 we’ve already seen people on Naruto transcend to another plane of existence with hagoromo. If shibai simply did the same thing as him then he wouldn’t be praised as the Otsutsuki god for just this simple reason….. It was stated that he transcended to a higher Dimension that even the otsutsuki them self can not perceive. As u kno 4th dimensional space can not be perceived by a 3rd dimensional space. So no Shibai didn’t just transcend to another plane of existence it literally doesn’t make any since with the story. Stop being bias.
Exactly this guy cannot scale to save his life💀 he thinks transcending into a higher mathematical dimension means you are simply entering the afterlife when literally you are transcending that😂
For the fact that you didn't mention shibai being omnipotent and omniscient proves you don't know nothing about him and scaling him to planetary proves my point and since when is sitting in a cristal a better 😂. And tear down this video
Shibai being stated to be omnipotent and omniscient doesn't really mean much, tbh. Uryu said that Yhwach was omnipotent and omniscient in chapter 661 of the manga, so... 🤷♂ By the way, Shonenkon is talking about PRIME Soul King, _before_ he was sealed in a crystal.
@@Grognack and still yhwach lost to Ichigo even if he is omnipotent and omniscient does that make any sense to you and how does shibai being omnipotent and omniscient don't mean much
@@LwaziBanele-sg1qc Because unlike Shibai, Yhwach and the Soul King actually have feats. 🥱 Not saying that the Soul King and Yhwach are ACTUALLY omnipotent/omniscient, I'm saying that just because a character is stated to be omnipotent/omniscient does not mean they are _TRULY_ omnipotent/omniscient. And it is not viable for scaling, unless proven. Hardly any character in fiction is _truly_ omnipotent/omniscient.
Then explain it to me what does it mean I would love to know and transcending to another dimension is a feat on itself because very few beings can do it So what you saying is that the soul king was wrong when he said yhwach is omnipotent and omniscient
@@LwaziBanele-sg1qc He didn't "transcend", he ascended. Even then, transcending to another dimension isn't an uncommon thing in fiction lol. Read more stories. Bruh. 🤦♂ It wasn't the Soul King that said Yhwach was omnipotent and omniscient, it was Uryu. *READ.* My whole point is that a character being stated to be omnipotent/omniscient does not mean that they are omnipotent/omniscient in the TRUEST sense. And taking a statement like that as gospel is a very disingenuous and fallacious way of power scaling.
@@parthbhardwaj1983 he literally talked about the soul king while he only said half fact about shibia Soul king and shibia transcended to a higher dimension which makes them 4d but he didn't mention that shibia not only transcended to a higher dimension but also went to a plane of existence/ higher dimension which makes him 5d Shibia transcended life and death which makes him true immortal but this guy only mentioned that soul king is immortal He mentioned that the soul king is omnipotent and omniscient, in chapter 80 (I think) momoshiki stated that the omnipotence and omniscient being only can control the omnipotence which makes shibia omnipotent and omniscient being Daemon's ability not only can reflect physical attacks but he can reflect emotions too, if you think something can harm him then that thing will reflect on you even without touching He said granganta is infinite and dimensions are infinite too, well I kinda agree with granganta being infinite( while the actual statement says granganta is infinitely expanding) but others aren't infinite at all
They are universes in that each is an infinite realm separated by the Precipice World, essentially a void between that distorts time and space. At the very least, the Soul Society and the Living World are galaxies at minimum, since we can see the stars in each and the Soul Society is mentioned to be equivalent. The Living World is supposed to be representative of our own world, so it being a universe makes sense. Hell has to be of at least a similar scale given that it was originally the parallel existence to the combined state of the other 'universes'. Hueco Mundo and the other pocket realms within Bleach are much harder to scale... though, Muken is directly stated to be infinite in size.
@@lo4tr none of them are ever described as infinite and they are literally stated to be one universe. The Muken is the only dimension with characters describing it’s size infinite but there has been conflicting descriptions.
@@onesmart229yes they are described as infinite In the cfyow and safwy novels as well Ichibei says something related to how he wants one thing to be known in the universe which is soul society there. In safwy is also a statement about wotl being universe sized Those realms are anything from multi galaxy to universe in size from what we know...
Universe 7 has multiple universe sized realms in it if not arguably higher dimensional realms in it yes it’s still called Universe 7. It’s just a name thing it doesn’t debunk it. DC has something called “The Map of the Multiverse.” Yet with statements it’s way beyond just a Multiverse same with Marvel from what I’ve of the verses easily High Outer for each lol.
@@officejetpro365x3 nah just facts but as usual delusional bleachtards who have been moving the goal post of the their overwanked verse should talk🤦🏽♂️😂, prime fodder king and his son get negged together
This is a video that shouldn’t been made yet. We don’t know what neither is fully capable of. Yes…we have a bit of info on the Soul King, but it’s not known if he can even fight. And all we know about Shibai reached Godhood, but there’s no way to tell how powerful he is until we get more info.
@@shukurenai3278 he can traverse hell and the dangai which are infinite ans he pass through the dimension in finte amount of time He also scale above hikone speed which is near instantaneous making him consistent inf speed also there lille barro x axis which breaks the concept of dodging but thats irrelevant to immeasurable but this is inconsistent
@@crabby1 You dont even know what dimensions mean. A 3d character is a like a god to 2d chatacters. Like you draw an 2d anime you can interact and create everything. 4D can interact at anytime anywhere in 3D. 4D(omnipresent), 5D(possibly omnipotent or allpowerful). If Ichigo was 4D he could control time and the whole dimension.
@@pacmiller7564 it’s time stamps to address particular points. If you have an issue with comments actually relating to the points said in the video that’s more of a you issue.
CFYOW 3 CHP 22 Yhwach stated that sk was created by ss and ss is a world a planet construct.. Sk has nevr created any Universe rather he was betrayed by the Nobles He din't create any concept of Life and death He just placed it . I am not taking this fodder eve to 4d... Whereas Shibai is in mathematical dim Anyway the video was funny none of the bleach is even close to uni and the stop the wank u took world's for Bleach but don't for Naruto 😂
world does not equal planet, it can mean universe as well. Anyway, ss literally contains an infinite structure and you are still saying its just a planet?
@@ningnings_randomworld than we should do that for Naruto too right?? .. And u say infite structure?? How like literally how??. Even In the scans says the serithel is located at the centre of the ss and an infinite dim cannot have centre! So not uni.. and rather Ss literally in the anime or manga it's shown to have only a size of County not even a planet
Bro, I already smacked you on Hapi's Bleach cosmology video, gtfo and go get your GED. Because I KNOW you didn't finish high school with that abysmal grammar, spelling, and overall piss-poor reading comprehension.
😮💨Alright so much wrong with this statement so let me correct you . Wrong! that's how I know your just being biased the Soul King was created within the Garganta lol The Almighty created the SS how was he born in it .Ss has a sun, moon, stars and even a galaxy cluster so saying planetary is downplay . You apparently can't comprehend the nobles used his abilities to create all the different realms so.... . Right and wrong the Soul king didn't create the concept of life and death but he did make death permanent so death manipulation lol . You don't get Soul king to 4d oh no I guess that's that then if you say so then it's settled. . Good on Shibai being mathematically whatever, shibai ascended keyword ascended the Soul King transcends everything in the verse The cleaner already is above reason. Anyways you said nothing Bleachverse is above Naruto/Boruto all this crying won't change that.
Bruh if we go by scale like that,Blach Verse have way higher end Cosmo scale than anything Naruto/Boruto lmao. Mugetsu/TS Ichigo alone can be scaled to 5d just by going off the pre-established dimensional Transcendence in Bleach lmao.
Bro said kaguya's realms are planets☠️ Don't you even know what time space is? Time space isn't a planet to begin with it's a 4D structure which kaguya was going to destroy & recreate it at the same time It's literally mentioned in Naruto Manga more than once that her dimensions are time space not planets. This further is backed up in Boruto novel when Momoshiki in base is said to have created a parallel universe which again kaguya had the same power to send people into her parallel universes too Hagoromo transcended time & space even death as he exists in different realites at the same time including pure lands which is heaven in Naruto So Shibai is bare minimum 5D at extreme lowball Again the raw scan literally says mathematical dimensions ☠️ what are you talking about this isn't a bleach cosmology Eida is capable of creating universes with a senrigan easily & change reality as she pleases
1. Kaguya's space-times are star level no further context given 2. Momoshiki created a parallel dimension not parallel universe 3. Hagoromo didn't transcend anything lmao you are bringing up headcanon 4. You can't even make the cosmology 5d so it's no use to argue
@@rudeffx_1p space time is 4D construct ☠️ not a star which she was going to destroy & recreate it simultaneously Parallel Dimension = parallel universe which he created in base Even absorbing Chakra beyond the parallel dimension also beyond the universe making it Low multiversal Shibai is above low multiversal
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god like Space aliens who travel from world to world vs a literal god that passively holds reality together
Going with the literal god
Well said lol
Alien gods>>>>
It is literally stated that he abandoned his body and he went up in another plane. 4D vs 4D in my opinion.
Soul Society is a dimension in the 3d universe they govern the laws of time.
Soul King obviously he has feats and better abilities Shibai has assumption on his side.
Which was confrimed
Assumption which were confirmed by momoshiki
Un fanático frustrado de Bleach
Shibai wont be turned into a potate doe like soul king
Shibai can see and hear everything in the past present and future, he cannot be attacked bc of reflection shinjutsu, omnipotence makes anything he desires reality, so he negs the verse
Prime soul king is broken as hell
The real question is whose cheeks did the Soul King clap at the beginning of episode 14? 🤔
@Josh-ox6nu That's an interesting question, actually. Here's a funny crack theory, what if Yhwach's mother was a Fullbringer, and her fragment of the Soul King was his ding-dong, and she was inseminated by her own Soul King fragment? Lmao
I don't really think that's the case, but it's funny to think about. I think he got her pregnant before he was sealed. From what we know, Yhwach has been around for over a thousand years. It wouldn't be all that surprising if he has been around for even longer than that. 🤷♂
@Josh-ox6nu Although, that theory WOULD make it seem like her pregnancy was a virgin birth, which fits Yhwach's "Evil Jesus/Son of God" motif... 🤔🤔🤔
@Josh-ox6nu Someone should really ask this question on Klub Outside fr
So many salty Naruto fans smh, Bleach from the start of the series has always been on a different level than Naruto let’s be real here.
This is boruto not naruto
@@_------------_It's the same thing essentially, but Boruto ain't coming close
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 boruto obliterates tf you about
@@_------------_Any mid tier from Bleach claps the verse
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 in your dreams
Prime Soul King negs the featless fodder 100% every time.
Shibai can see and hear everything in the past present and future in any universe/ dimension w the senrigan and byakugan , he cannot be attacked bc of reflection shinjutsu, thinking of killing him will cause you to kill your self, omnipotence makes anything he desires reality, so he negs the verse. When eida used omnipotence it reached code who was in another universe. He also transcends life and death reaxhed enlightenment. Shibai could never be turned to a brainless potatoe
@@kevinlezo1046 nothing you stated is even close enough to beat the prime soul king. First off psk easily outscales as he is the creator of the bleach cosmology which is far larger then the naruto cosmology. Secondly, the almighty has all the hax and more needed to negate any of the abilities and hax you stated. 3rd the soul king allowed himself to be split up but you wouldn't know that I'm sure you haven't read the novels... cry more. Soul king clears low to mid diff
@@simonthedigger3490 only feat is dying. Shibai can literally give himself any ability as eida gave herself the power to enchant everyone who sees her making her unkillable with omnipotence. Everyone who sees her acts In Her favor, shibai can buff himself with any power, he can just take away the almighty from him.
@@simonthedigger3490 soul king still has to hold the universes together with his body. Shibai transcends the multiverse, there are way more universes in the Naruto verse than bleach only has 3 worlds n some other shit
@@kevinlezo1046 how is his only feat dying when he literally created the bleach verse which is a better feat than anything that has ever happened in naruto/boruto? Again you obviously haven't read the novels and why he willingly allowed his body to be dismantled. It was stated that the soul king transcends literally EVERYTHING in bleach. Again, the bleach verse is bigger than the naruto verse so that statement alone puts him above shibai. You also have absolutely no clue how the almighty works. As stated by yhwach himself, any abilities he sees being used in any future timeline against himself, automatically gets negated and the abilities are now on yhwachs side and cannot harm him. There is literally nothing anyone in naruto/boruto could even fathom to be able to even hurt prime soul king.
Finally some Amazing content soulking vs shibai
The crazy part about all this is that you could very well argue that the Soul King is Outerversal.
tbh actually Soul King tier characters if not characters kinda close to that tier of power should be Outer too!!!
I'm giving it to Reiō considering he has a superior version of Yhwach's base form Almighty
The Soul King: Win,
Shibai: lose,
Shibai solos
@@_------------_gets wanked by captains
The soul king's heart slams@@_------------_
@@shudeepta That heart is getting eaten
@@_------------_Shibai is fodder if he stands next to Reio he’s getting wiped out of existence
The soul king has power over at least 6 dimensions and the infinite void known as Garganta. No one in the naruto/boruto verse compares
finally the best bleach youtuber uploaded again
With biased takes obviously makes Reio wins ofc
The vid is irrelevant
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- ur life is irrelevant lmao shibai is a fodder who gets godstomped by Reiō
@@officejetpro365x3 your existence is irrelevant & it was a mistake for u too exist
You existed by mistake
Shibai aby his presence negs SK
DBZ IMRAN, MR TOMMO>>>>
Bruh anyone from bleach solo narutoverse or borutoverse whatever💀💀
in your dreams bozo, otsutsukis negs bleach verse
Just a little kid daemon solos half bleach
@@_------------_cap cry about it
@@_------------_otsutsukis are losing their soul if they went toe to toe with the high tier captains 🤷🏿♂️
I want to know what bleach is gonna do when isshiki shrinks all their weapons away
@@WizyTheSurferSpam Kido, delete them with reiatsu crush, USE THEIR FUCKING HANDS (Hakuda is a H2H style in Bleach), or just speedblitz him before he tries that.
so overkill 💀💀💀
If you listen to what this slow poke says which he lacks common sense
@@Kirin-FtlNo nigga ya dumbass just don’t understand and can’t accept the truth
LET 'EM KNOW, KON!!! 🗣
Cfyow soul king has high omnipotence and even transcended the concept of dimensions with outerversal feats
yeah every transended statement in bleach just means stronger soul king is at best infinite 3d
@@Jonah-c6z wtf no im amused at how idiots like you comment without knowing shit about tge verse even ichigo and aizen lowballed are 6d even urahara has 5d feats like opening portal through garganta and youre still on 3d 💀
@@Jonah-c6zwhen they transcend they are talking transcending into another higher dimensionality
Yeah, Soul King is basically Yhwach + More
He precedes concepts like: Death, Time
He created the whole of Bleach verse and his dismembered body is enough to separate them
Hydrogen Bomb (Soul King) vs Coughing Baby (Shibai)
Death Star laser (Soul King) vs Small ant (Shibai)
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 Collapsing Multiverse (Soul King) vs Singular Atom (Shibai)
Buddha (wod) vs murphy lawden (no hax)@@Grognack
bro the amount of salty Naruto/Boruto fans lmao 😂
no shit we don't like cap
You're downplaying our verse
@@marcoslightspeed5517 im not?
Don't like cap? the naruto fan base breathes that shit daily. I'm stating this as someone who started with naruto. The fan base makes outrageous claims that doesn't directly align with what's presented
@@cosmic.1448 you starting with naruto doesn’t change anything + ik the fans you’re talking about but Naruto DOES NOT get past Bleach.
Nice to see you back bro good video
9:45 This is part of what I was talking about Gin actually referred to the Cleaner as a being of reason what is reason? Reason is abstract and the cleaner had power over time and space so that already makes it all Outerversal if not a way above regular outer lol
Bro forgot that it still reflects without anyone’s touches when it’s killing intent
He could even be able to reflect sealing as that is not really a killing g attempt just like codes claws that werent a killing atempt but were still reflected doemon can reflect even when he's at sleep
Almighty:
The Cleaner alone was 4D and Aizen one shot it not only is it stated to govern Time and Space it’s even stated to be a being of Reason and that Aizen surpasses it, Reason is the underlying principle of the cosmos/Universe and it’s is the core to Metaphysics which is Beyond Time and Space Concepts because Aizen Transcended Reason he would be at least 5D or Low Multi. Prime Soul king is way higher
5d is high multiversal or low complex multiversal
Yhwach scales much higher than a stronger from of Aizen than the one that destroyed the Cleaner. Prime Soul King scales above Yhwach, even the Soul King Absorbed Yhwach, and supposedly has a better form of Almighty. Considering I haven't really seen anything in Naruto/Boruto that can take Yhwach, it is hard to say even the entirety of the verse could touch Prime Soul King. The only possible exception would be Shibai... but we don't actually have any relevant feats from him.
@@RudyyFr indeed, most likely where bleach caps though you could possibly argue 6D
@@ningnings_randomworld only 5d for me atleast I think db cosmology caps at 6d so I won't argue for 6d
U can also argue the cosmology being 5D and the sk, who transcends everything would naturally transcend the Garganta as well which would make him and those who scale to him(Ichigo, Yhwach, Aizen, Mimihagi) 6D. But the cosmology is Multiversal+ on a lowball
You’re wrong that we don’t know shibai is 4D. Your explanation was good until you implemented bias. The sage of six paths literally came from what is equivalent of the soul society in naruto, which is the astral plane where even the edo tensei souls were summoned from. This alone proves that Shibais transcendence was AT LEAST 4D because even characters like obito transferred his chakra from the afterlife and that was not SHINJUTSU. Naruto even was able to physically touch his soul proving that the astral plane is not what Amado referenced when speaking of shibai. Momoshiki confirmed this and he’s literally in a different plane of existence casually after his death lol. Come on man you bleach fans really need to reread Naruto / boruto. You are being disingenuous whether intentional or not
P S He’s really 5D because he transcends the natural universe which is 4D lmfao
FAX but Soul King still slams so there's not much difference :/
@@samuelbernaldez6671Incorrect Shibai stomps badly because he is one dimension stronger than him
@@frostwave0009 no, just no.
@@samuelbernaldez6671 You can stay in denial all you want but the fact is Shibai is not physical nor spiritual because he doesn’t need those forms to simply exist thus causing him to transcend the concept of life and death aka “Complete unique existence”.
@@frostwave0009 I just don't want to have this debate for the 100th time. also pfp explains why you think that (no hard feelings)
Great video man
Shibai not even out yet just some hype up for now. So its hard to say how strong and what abilities he has. For now i would say soul king win cuz yuha with his power able to merge real world, soul society, and hueco mundo which make him like what mutiple universe tier. But he also said new people cant die anymore so he somewhat delete the concept of death. That is op.
Prime soul king ( god) or novel yhwach ( evil Jesus ) >>>>>>>> naruto/ brouto vese
No Debate there
My guy you left 3 comments on this video, we get your point. You like Bleach. Now STFU and go touch some grass
WHatever attack SK can throw a Shibai, Shibai can reflect it back. He can even stop time and kill SK as SK can do nothing.
@@abhabh6896 are u retard 💀
Manipulation of time and space even side characters can do that by spritual magic' kidos 🤦
And soul King is nigh omnipotent of bigger cosmology with better haxs then Featless shibai
Everything shibai has are already have in soul king Arsenal and even better version and with and more quantity and quality 😂😂
Shibai leave his physical body and become a spritual being
In bleach all characters are that in base 😂😂😂
Soul king and yhwach is overkill 💀
Ichigo and aizen one shot shibai
Literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
I'm right shibai neggs
@@nova_galactic9992narutotard
@@nova_galactic9992 he might have a chance against ishin
Haven't watched the video yet. But considering what we know about the soul king, and his monstrous power, I would have to give it to him. Of course assuming he has all of his limbs.
it's funny how they forget that the whole time Naruto takes place in the human realm & just now they're bearly getting hints of a 2nd realm.. while Bleach has 4+ lmao.. I guess Ichigo is 8D since he can "transcend" his physical body & go to Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, Hell, Senkaimon & the Gargatanta... Also the 80% nerfs high level Shinigami's need simply for being in the world of the living without disrupting it is a feat in itself... This best this Shibai dude can do is probably put up a good fight against Soul Society arc lieutenants though..
Bruh🤦🏽♂️
What's this logic lol?
Ok ichigo is definitely not 8D XD
@@ningnings_randomworld lol I half expected u to agree with him💀
@@ningnings_randomworld I'm pretty sure that the OP was being sarcastic with that.
Both the presence and toaa claps them at the same time😂😂😂
And azathot solos the both of them including dc and marvel
@@nickydelacruz9183
cap
Featherine 1 taps
@@shudeeptacas victim
Shibai is 4d and universal at max
While Soul king is Low multiversall
Soul king literally created 3 universes and Hyperspace (4d)
Soul king has infinite timeline, Hope miracles, Reality,Life,death, Stagnation, pernida's hax, Time, Dimension creation,hax negation, Element warping, fate warping etc
Heck technically its a 5D feat since that makes the Soul King scale to 4 spatial and 1 temporal dimension
I would like to know where you got all this information soul king best feat is keeping the 3 realms from collapsing
@@Jonah-c6z Novels confirmed Sk is the creator of Worlds
Gerard, gremmy , pernida, mimihagi and fullbring powers are a part of Sk's power
He is also stated to have almighty
@@Jonah-c6z He created them, along with Hell and the Dangai
@@legendaresn6983 I need context to agree with it. do you know where its all stated.
SimplyTroys not gonna like this
cause he’s a narutard lmao
@@driplord7286 Facts lol
Well he’s a narutard of course he won’t like it lo
@@kamamara2567 and this guy is a bleachtard same logic
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud-dont cry in every cmnts kid
I can't believe Narutotard still can't accept that bleach is way stronger then other two in big 3 😂😂😂
Haber que carajos hablas, el que tiene que aceptar eres tú qué MADARA le gana a Aizen, y cómo mismo te digo eso te digo que Kaguya perdería contra Yhwach. No leo lloros
This is boruto you clown it stomps bleach
@@_------------_ are u retard or something
Boruto is like Naruto 2.0 nothing changed
Bleach comp >>>>> boruto comp > Naruto comp 🤦
Best bleach youtuber is back with bangers. also you should do a full 20 minute "How strong is Sosuke Aizen" and “How Strong is Yhwach" separate videos .
Scaling a character we haven't seen he's feat yet🤦
Honestly it’s so much to debunk here, u said only eida and daemon got power from shibai which is wrong. Code abilities is also shibai ability, also take into account his occular dojutsu which is rinnegan/dharma wheel (ishikii abilities) and senrigan/byakugan. All ninjutsu, senjutsu and genjutsu is imitations of his jutsu which is shinjutsu (divine miracles). Meaning every single jutsu you have seen in naruto/boruto is low level imitations of his abilities that he can do without weaving signs.
Eida senrigan allows her to see the present and anything up to her birth not past it, meaning shibai someone who has existed for millennias would be able to see everything.
Daemon ability has two factors, one is reflecting actions by having his palm on someone which also gives who he’s touching reflection aswell. The second is killing intent which is automatically reflected based off just the thought of it.
Omnipotence is a program language similar to god saying “let there be light”, this shinjutsu is god level shinjutsu and was used to create worlds (universes). Eida is not an all-knowing/all powerful god so she has no control over it. It activated twice in her lifetime unconsciously, the first gave her the charm ability and the second was the current chapter enabling kawakis desires.
Shibai escaped the process of karma and reincarnation which stems from Buddhism samara cycle, he did this by devouring countless planets for several millennia. The by product of this was him leaving his physical body attaining godhood and ascending to a higher domain/dimension just like the samsara process.
U extremely lowballed his feats and abilities while misinterpreting a lot.
Further clarification and justifications for his hax is nice from an informational standpoint but unfortunately it doesn’t change the outcome. The Almighty is such a broken ability that you’d have to transcend whatever power tier you scale the user to in order to beat it, and that’s just one of his abilities
For one, in the context of Naruto specifically, discarding the physical body and ascending to a higher dimension doesn’t necessarily mean higher spatial dimension. The Buddhist concept scaling doesn’t inherently translate to power as we see with the Sage of Six Paths who basically did the same thing, yet admitted that Madara was nearing his power.
But even if we grant that to Shibai, it wouldn’t put him above the Soul King. More so than just taking the ideas and concepts like Naruto, Bleach’s cosmology is fundamentally based on Buddhism, and the SK is the one that created the Bleach realms as we know it. The cosmology was a ‘primordial soup’ until the SK with his power reshaped it into the Buddhist structure as well as introducing concepts like life, death, creation, spiritual, physical etc
And Yhwach’s whole goal was to undo what the SK did and make it so not just himself, but everyone in the Bleach cosmology transcended the concepts of life and death and reverse engineering what the SK did
I personally don’t think this scares the SK and Yhwach to whatever tier you have Buddhist concepts of transcendence at, but if you say Shibai does scale, then the SK has more evidence for scaling to and above that
But if we say stats equalized, how would Shibai get passed the Almighty?
@@jocoolshow The difference between shibai and hagoromo is one can be sensed and perceived while another cannot!! It’s a similar concept to samurai 8 where hachimaru can’t be sensed or seen by any of the cast but can himself and transcending. That is actual higher dimensional, becoming consciousness and apart of existence itself which is Buddhism and the samsara cycle unlike bleach.
The primordial world was already there before soul king was alive, he just molded it into seperate realms due to hollows turning into menos/menos grandes and everything being blended. That created the cycle of life or death, but even still in his prime and even tybw he exist on the same plain as soul reapers and can be sensed/seen and interacted with by anyone who comes in contact with his physical body.
Shibai can’t even be sensed/interacted with or seen by anyone in the current story. Even Momoshiki who has traveled multiple plains can’t. He also doesn’t have a physical body and ascended to gods domain/higher dimension (Chapter 75). Omnipotence is a program language and bends reality to the users will, it’s an all powerful technique/program language similar to god saying let there be light. If he desires almighty to not exist that power is gone!!! If he desires the entire bleach cosmology to be gone it’s 💨!!!
Almighty seeing the future and trying to alter it is not helping u against shibai!!!
Wrong ALMIGHTY resisted powernull on conceptual level. He even resisted Existence erasure with almighty alone.... Remember that YWACH at the end of TYBW didnt really get serious but when he does he will destroy 3 realms all at the same time.
and lets stop at this crap about higher dimensions you must remember that in general BLEACH verse is higher than naruto verse since they are SOUL reaper in the beginning while naruto for the most part all of them are people and aliens. So just because some alien discard his body and BECOME SOUL doesnt mean shibai is higher than soul king .....
and omnipotence is not that original in bleach verse since we have the visionary that can willed what he thinks though too bad his a kid so he cant full utilize his full power and yet his under ywach.
It was never said he ascended to a higher dimension 😂 it was a hypothesis and never actually stated to be true. It's what amado thought
@@SlimeyMel Please reread, it hypothesis was proven by Momoshiki stating everything about shibai was true and he’s no longer in the dimension
tbh shibai cant even take yuwa on a 1v1
He has no concrete feat yet, don't assume
With his current feats he is a toshiro victim
W video
Momoshiki and kaguya could create dimensions with planets, momo in base form destroyed a star, isshiki is above this so they are solar system level, shibai is beyond
Daemon has only a fraction of shibai power, shibai wouldn't need to touch someone the ability reflects killing intent regardless, omnipotence allows him to do anything he wants if wants to become a saiyan he can, if he wants to have soul king powers he can, it makes his wishes true until kishimoto nerf this no one is beating him.
Not even goku can touch him, someone who solos pretty much bleach verse.
Bro you just talking bs now😂
SK > Goku,Vegeta, and Broly
@@WonderofU4*via hax
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966nah he scales higher than anyone in db verse
@@el_gato917you high
Featless fodder shibai is 4d
Yhwach and soul king are 6d in novels
The soul king is 7d but ok
@@giodonn5172you don't need to increase the level of shibai's ass getting kicked...
Nobody in bleach is even planet level, specially not featless soul king of arrow level Juha
@@bishopdaking717 npc you sound so dumb so stop interacting with me and learn to scale
@@bishopdaking717 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Bleach has many many realms and hell 😂😂😂😂
Narutotard gtfo of here 🤦
A top tier espada alone in planetery in bleach 😂😂😂
Soul King was born a God Shibai had to attain that power
kratos wasnt born a god but that didnt stop him from violating zeus
@@nosacharles6325 Yeah, it's not a very relevant point to make.
However, the Soul King still scales WAY higher than Shibai (given the available info we have atm).
oul King wasn't born. He came into existence at full power.
@@nosacharles6325 He violated Zeus with a lot of help Soul king negs Shibai by himself
@@pacmiller7564 Even then, wasn't Kratos Zeus' son? So he was already a demigod from the get-go.
Fax
Daemon ability is a weaker version of The Antithesis.
come on now dont compare daemon to the antithesis XD his ability is like an ant in comparison
daemon abilities are greater
@@ningnings_randomworld pff☠️ u clearly don't know how Daemon ability works
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- he has to touchr u to do shit kiddo Perception blizing that fodder is all u have to do
@@joshuaawe7547 nah, that fodder needs to touch you for the power to work. Uryu just reality warps it into your body without distance been a bother.
Just want to say shibai doesn't have eida's charm ability that was a power she herself her subconscious created using omnipotence which materialized it. But if shibai wanted to he can give himself her charm ability ok bye🙌🙌
Where did you get the soul king fanart you used at the beginning?
That look of Mimihagi and Pernida as his hands looks sick
Y do bleach fan always have to low ball other universes to try & get Wins lol
The “higher dimensions” in bleach refer to spiritual realms, which use the same kanji for what Hagoromo does in Naruto where he exists in a separate spiritual realm.
For Shibai it’s a completely different kanji than the one used in bleach & for hagoromo & it is specifically referring to mathematical dimensions.
So yes Shibai is 100% inarguably at least 4D or Uni+, it’s not possible or arguably it’s definitive.
I went under the assumption Shibai is 4D and he still lost
@@shonenkon2456really you really going to do the Naruto characters that way damn y'all fucking bias much as I like bleach I wouldn't be fair
@@shonenkon2456I think you're trying to piss off boruto fans it's not looking a good look for you if I were you power scalars I would do fights they're not fucking one-sided I'm just being honest
@@cjcj4861 Wht about my video was biased
@@shonenkon2456 imma going to be real with you young man as much as I like bleach I think you underestimated some Naruto characters I think you did that's the reason why I called you baised cuz I know bleach Fanboys are going to win again I'm a bleach fan but I'm not going to take this shit to the maximum fucking extreme that's like saying you're not giving any Naruto characters a chance that's like me saying that I'm not mad I'm just saying
And the presence & toaa are omniversal..
Omniversal isn't a tier??? They're 1S/1T/above tiering
Bro is a bleach fan, if we're assuming then why are you so sure that shibai would lose😂, omnipotence is everything and the soul king would lose.... Bro low balled shibai a lot but hyped soul king😂
Didn’t even mention all of his abilities just named a few then skipped to the soul king. What a goofy..
Omnipotence is held by multiple characters in Boruto.
Shibai, Otsutsuki God, Eida.
All of them are different.
It's just a name for an Ability.
It's just a reality warping ability.
@@minthuta3288 your wrong. Eida is the only one who can use omnipotence and it’s only a sample of dna why she’s able to use it. Shibai otsutsuki is the original HOLDER of omnipotence and can use it as much as he pleases. Eida can only use it 1 time until she loses control. In fact it was stated that the gods used this ability to create worlds it’s not some bs warping ability like a genjutsu or illusion it’s real. Why tf would they just use a random name for a ability ?? You obviously don’t watch the show and sound stupid asf. u should of just left this topic alone.
Quite literally showed the feats and statements of Soul King in the video having "Omniscience" & "Omnipotence" aswell. It's just that Soul King has more HAX than Shibai. You just exposed yourself of not watching the video at all and simply went to hate.
Where is it stated that shibai has omnipotence. I'm the manga it is stated that yhwach was Omniscient and Omnipotent so show me the panel of shibai being omnipotent
You didnt mention that shibai reflection.
Another heavy bleach bias, from a kyoka-soyboy, i see.
From the amount of information that are given, a comparison cant be done. As for now shibai is just a narrative Element, like hagoromo was in shippuden. Also the soulking while having interactions is mostly a narrative element either, so comparing them isnt really possible.
A narrative element is always as strong or weak as it needs to be.
Lets get to the meat. No character in bleach, naruto or in the other big titles is 4D. A 4D beeing has per definition certain traits, that every character in said stories lacks. The closest thing to a 4D beeing are the angels from DBS, however even they are just very close.
Shocking i now, to imagine that your favorite anime-daddy is not what u made up in ur headcanon, but thats how it is.
My discord is in my bio if you want to debate this let me know
Well thats a surprising fast answer.
I take the offer to debate happily, however there were i live its in the middle of the night, so i am going to sleep very soon.
Just to be clear, i am not saying that shibai wins or anything. My point is that people throw phrases like ,,4D" or ,,Multiversal" around, while most of them dont seem to understand what those phrases actually mean. As i said, from the definitions we have about the 4th dimension a 4D beeing should have certain traits, that the characters that are debated lack.
@@Odin_Allvaterthe Garganta has been shown to be 5D, Hell is stated a multiverse and soul king has been stated to transcened all realms
@@ykoijin1310 Has been shown to be 5D ? No, just no. Why do u think the garganta is 5D ?
Where is hell a multiverse in bleach ? Just because there are several layers doesnt mean its multiversal.
,,Has been stated" this is mostlikely a metaphor. If the soulking would transcend all realms he couldnt get killed, absorbed etc. Its like the quote from madara that his blade can destroy everything that exists or something like that. Its just a metaphor, for having great destructive capabilities or great power.
Lastly, as someone who got his knowledge about those complex physical constructs like a multiverse not only through anime like 99.9% of u, please understand the following: A multiverse would be made if several universes, that DONT influence each other. That means if one vanishes, gets destroyed or everything this has no effect on the others. In bleach the different realms have influence on each other, as far as i know, therefore the 3 planes that are thrown around are one universe at best, but more likely different layers of reality that are connected to earth.
Also another important thing: Maybe the author of bleach has made a different definition of 3,4,5D and so on, like he did with the shinigami. Its said in bleach that shinigami are the souls of dead people right ? Well as they are portrait they are in fact normal living creatures because they all fullfill the biological criteria of life we established. However it seems that kubo in his verse changed those definitions from what is considered alive. This is likely done with the concept of dimension, too. We as humans cant create a 5D element, not even in fiction, because we have only theories on how those dimensions work. We even have just a minimal understanding of the 4th dimension, since we cant experience it to the fullest.
@@Odin_Allvater 1.Yes the garganta has been shown to be 5D
2. It wasn't a metaphor the kanji literally translates to multiverse for hell, the soul king does transcends these realms as quickly as he can keep them up is as quickly he can destroy them he initially was cut up by ppl who were similar in ap/dc and got cut down by ichigo and absorb by yhwach because they r similar to power.
3. The only influence these 3 realms have with each other is the flow of souls, destroying the soul society doesn't make the wotl or hueco mundo vanish instantly, you'll have to destroy each realms separately for tht, it'll just make an imbalance of souls if u destroy one of them.
4. Kubo didn't create anything new the concept of souls/spirits been around and you're using headcanon saying he made his own definition of 3D-5D, and saying humans can't create 5D environment is an appeal to reality ur not sum genius a lot of ppl know how the multiverse works outside of anime and bleach fits tht criteria, kubo uses the concept of 5D in bleach so it's reality/factual within tht verse, simple.
Damn good analysis ❤❤❤
I swear these shitruto fan is going to worship shitbai until death and they cannot accept shitruto verse is weaker then Bleach verse
Shibai can see and hear everything in the past present and future in any universe/ dimension w the senrigan and byakugan , he cannot be attacked bc of reflection shinjutsu, thinking of killing him will cause you to kill your self, omnipotence makes anything he desires reality, so he negs the verse. When eida used omnipotence it reached code who was in another universe. He also transcends life and death reaxhed enlightenment.
I found that this guy hasn't watched Naruto or knows anything about it when he says "Naruto characters are large planets level" and from the fact that he hasn't mentioned Hogoromo at all and choose to take Kaguya instead to scale Shibai. My kind request, please watch both of the anime if you're making a battle between different anime or it would be a piece of shit like this video. I get it that soul king can defeat Shibai, but maybe not since we know nothing about him but the downplay is the one that I didn't like about this video at all. I've seen both of the anime and am not biased
Where do you think they scale and why. Additionally I used kaguya to scale because she has the best feats and Hagoromo is irrelevant. So why would I use him to scale Shibai. If we knew nothing about him I wouldn’t be able to make a 16 minute video on him so stfu 😭
hagoromo is featless
@@Bastolan Yeah they haven't shown anything big he does but his powers can do big things
@@Bastolan he could fight kaguya, created life the 9 tail beasts, a massive susanoo featless btw
@@shonenkon2456 Momoshiki literally have better feats than kaguya just read his novel 😒
IT’s doesn’t matter how many of you try to put extra feats with shibai or say if this or if that already being a god and becoming a god is two different things lmao the shit soul king would create against shibai would leave him confused af
Fodder king against shibai💀
@@Reinhardt234 Reiō vs an overrated mid ass alien from a mid ass anime💀
@@officejetpro365x3 he ain’t overrated ur just pained and trying to downplay him cause he negs your fodderverse 💀 next am gonna be hearing u Clorox fans say soul king is above fudo Myo 💀💀, the copium you guys ingest daily is bad for you , stop it , you need help💀💀😂😂
@@Reinhardt234he is overrated you fatherless fuck😂Ur dumbass keeps saying that he accended into a "Mathematical Higher-Dimension" when thats not true at all💀the kanjis used primarly mean higher dimension which means absolutly nothing without context😂there is nothing proving that he is in a higher spatial dimension or has qualitativ superiority to the verse💀ur just a mad clown who didnt read bleach, dick rides the hell out of fodderbai and the verse and is indenial as well
@@officejetpro365x3 IM fan of naruto and boruto but i gotta say the son of reio has abilty to rewrite his own death in all existing timelines in all existing dimensions and reio alone has the same abilty but superior and reio is currently dead with arm and legs cut off and all of his organs removed including heart and brain and can still regulate thee flow of all souls and hold the all realms together he can do a psuedo basic abilty to hold the flow of all energy and souls in different worlds its hard to me but shibai is just pathetic try to make godly being
Shiba is featless. Soul King turns him into the new Ootsutsuki sand planet.
Shiba: "I hate sand."
Anakin: "..."
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soul king is at least 6-7D...
Goof
@@Kirin-Ftl disprove it then
fr@@phoenixfranchise1464
@@phoenixfranchise1464 proof it first you are the one who claiming it
I mean what will he proof if what your claim doesn't exist
Granganta is stated to infinitely expanding and granganta is the house of the all dimensions in the bleach verse so he is in 4d structure which makes him 4d/ multiversal being
Don’t you think that aizens statement is false due to the fact that characters with even low reiatsu have been shown to damage characters with higher reiatsu for the entirety of the show?
That's only when the stronger character is off guard
@@MasterNabberso a 5d being can injure a 6d being off Guard?
@@Kirin-Ftl Look at what gin did to aizen
@@MasterNabber proving he trash
Aizen used the example of a 3d being looking at a 2d being when mugetsu transcended him
Aizen transcended hollows and soul reapers putting him at 4d and mugetsu at 5d
Soul king is a joke. His only feat is dying. Shibai can literally reflect any attack Soul king can aim at him. Shibai doesnt even need a body to beat SK. Shibai can manifest his will literally. He can wish SK out of existence.
Lmao
💀
BRUUUUUUUUUUHHHH
@@musaw1550Yes that is the power of omnipotence
Meanwhile side character in blech hold the same (-iq) shibai can't imagine to get stronger you are saying he left his body so its means he became 4D whereas all human are 3D so all the Shinagmi are 4D from the starting and how can we not take Aizen who became 5D after Hogyuku and then Dangai or FGT ichigo who slightly above then Aizen
Bro what is this we barely know anything about both and you’re already doing a versus battle?? You guys are the type of people who really ruin anime for us smh
If u let another person ruin a source of entertainment for you that’s on you. If there was “barley” anything I wouldn’t be able to make a 16 minute video on the both of them
wdym? why are you acting like there aren't many people overrating shibai? mfs literally saying he's outerversal
@@Azrael_Kajirilmao what? I get universal because he is above anything in Naruto including Kaguya whose non-canon cutscenes show a universe but fucking OUTER?
Bleach is universal multi many times over, unless shibai stands out, naruto doesnt stand a chance lol
He cooked a 5 star meal.
Shibai's dead body cells reality wrapped at planetary scale and it was a girl who did that jutsu not him. This is the shibai who was still 3 dimensional and the one right now is much stronger arguably way too much for bleachverse. Go read some comics and you will know what type of shit 4th,5th dimensional beings can do. There's nothing that's touching him from bleach and naruto's universe is an actual universe with billions of galaxies not like bleach were you consider 3,4 realms as a whole universe and then say ichigo is universal. Shibai transcends the realm of universe and went to a higher dimension where he doesn't even need a body or a soul that can be killed. He's not a spiritual being like shinigami , he is a being who's beyond time and he can shapeshift reality through will
Stop D riding
Nah dawg you reaching for the moon, Soul King negs the verse
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966He’s actually right and it was referenced before Shibai was even introduced, otsutsuki are not only transcending but they become a whole different unique existence. They transcend that of physical and spiritual beings
@@ognjenradanovic1256No he is not he’s actually correct
@@frostwave0009 he caps also aizen transended as well in anime and kenpachi and ichigo also in light novel CFYOW and they arent even close to sould king just admit you are boruto fanboy since you dont know that basic fact and you have his profile picture
Yes let the never ending salt war begin
OT: Zeno waves his hands and the respective verses cease to exist
No
U gonna get jumped by every boruto pfp in this comment section for that take lol
Shibai gaps the verse
Get Shibai past a Squad 0 member
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@@bootlegspinjutsu9966he gonna smash them or oneshot them by them looking at him like eidas situation. Ichibei who is strongest in squad 0 or called the leader of the shinagami vs shibai who is on nxt lvl can only be compared with soul king is a mismatch.😂😂😂😂😂
@@captainff2614Bruh this fodder has only one 4D Uni statement.
Yhwach is 5D Low Multiversal and Prime Soul King scales waaaaaaaaaaay beyond him.
By this statement alone Shibai doesn't get past Ichibei,Ichigo,Aizen and Kenpachi(CFYOW)
@@Kenos347not 4d 3d+ statement
After the recent Video.... Does Shibai even stand a chance?
Ngl ill call it out for being disingenuous a little because we know context of the conversation ascension into a higher dimension does not mean into the next dimension. The soul society compared to the world of the living wouldn't necessarily mean ascension or means of a higher dimensionality because its just perceived as another dimension /world. They literally state that its just another dimension. To prove this statement, aizen makes the same statement of what amado said about shibai to ichigo.
Aizen proves that the awareness of a "Higher dimension" does not mean a world that is above another. To apply that argument, you'd just be saying ichigo ascended to hell or naruto ascended to a world like limbo lol makes no sense.
They both have the same context, they both make the same statements therefore amado a person that is able to create cyborgs stronger than ninjas that can open portals to other dimensions and has a leader that can also do the same has a great comprehension of dimensionality is like aizen did against ichigo.
You feel me? Not trashing you
@@emmanuelomego7080 you clearly didn't read anything I said. A higher plane of existence does not = ascension unless it is directly stating it. The soul reapers and hollows can still interacted with if you are a full bringer or just having riatsu or not therefore the argument of them not being interacted with is a lie. It's a dimension with a greater distance but it's still 3d therefore not a quote on quote higher dimensionality. but aizen still mentions that ichigo is at a higher dimension, so vast he cannot perceive his strength and specifically relates to dimensionality therefore he has knowledge of the string theory.
If we know there are dimensions similar to this in Naruto, yet we have beings that have the same logic as soul reapers, they can live as souls, possession over other beings, destroy planets etc. Why is it say that shibai isn't 5d? Are you saying momoshiki unreliable? Including amado? Amado has not made a mistake therefore automatically proven correct.
@@Notfunnydk did you know that Shinigami have seals that nerf them whenever they travel to the realm of the living? on top of that, seated officers need an artificial body to even roam the world freely with basically close to zero reiatsu, just so they don't end up killing everybody.
Also, did you know that despite all that, they are ALWAYS in a nerfed state? They have to release their true power or state of being to fully manifest their level of existence i.e Shikai and Bankai are their true forms, the "base form" is just a nerf for when they're not battling.
Regardless of them being 3D or higher, they aren't on the same plain as mortals.
The Sun is 3D, does that mean if it's condensed to the size of a baseball, you could touch it?
Anyway, Aizen literally oneshot a 4D existence causing the collapse of a space-time continium. The fact that a captain (Isshin) could singlehandedly maintain that space-time with his reiatsu for 3 months should tell you that although Aizen had transcended 3D into 4D, other captains with high reiatsu have enough energy to take on 4D existences for a while.
So dimensionality in Bleach is more of a spectrum than a hierarchy with clear divisions or tiers.
Humans 3D
Normal souls and hollows 3D
All the way up to Captains and Arrancars who are above 3D but not quite 4D. Obviously, it's not science at that point but it's how the verse works.
Easiest way to understand is to look at how Arrancars are born, it takes millions of souls being devoured to even reach an Adjucas rank. Literally, Yammi in his nerfed base state merely trying to catch his breath while on Earth casually harvested human souls.
Things like Soul crush among other things. I remember Rukia being shocked the first time she met ichigo because he broke her kido sealing spell, why? because a mortal forcing the seal off would result in their soul getting destroyed. This was back in chapter 1 or 2.
Clearly, there are ranks of existence to souls.
Toshiro merely existing caused the deaths of other souls in his district etc.
The lore is extensive, you really have to research things yourself to truly understand how the verse scales.
With Naruto, there aren't any seals, nerfs or use of artificial bodies to roam human societies... the Otsutski(?) are just mortal, there's no nuance to it.
Now Shibai being 4D or higher is possible but that is yet to be shown as fact, right now it's just up in the air.
You can't equate Aizen's knowledge or just the nature of Dimentionality in Bleach to Naruto because in Bleach there's more than just statements or implications, there are only facts with quite the number of feats to support it.
@@revenantronin8377 you're proving my point, why are you guys fighting me when I'm not saying any of you are wrong? I'm literally saying their 3d beings💀 and the evidence of string theory exists? Wtf are on about?
@@Notfunnydk hmmm... reread your initial comment, maybe you couldn't communicate it properly because to me, it read like you were calling out higher dimensional scaling for Bleach by comparing it to Naruto (Boruto ig).
Compared to the video, your stance appeared to be something like, "if Shibai isn't higher dimensional based on your interpretation, then Bleach is in the same boat because Amado and Aizen said similar things"
At least, that's how your comment comes off as.
And you tried to invalidate the Kōtotsu being 4D with semantics as well. (that's all I cared about lol).
idk anymore 🤷♂️ You've lost me entirely lol
But I guess we agree? eh... maybe I misunderstood.
Anyway, good talk 👍
@@emmanuelomego7080his is incorrect.
Soul society isn’t on a higher plane of existence then the human world it’s just another dimension.
Humans can interact with Shinigami & hollow alike, they just can’t see them in most cases but even some humans can do that. Also since they are physically present in the human world they by definition cannot b higher dimensional beings.
15:06 so the soul king is crushed by his own power. That’s pretty interesting way to go out.
No it just means he his durability doesn't match his power he be a glass cannon. In fact he be killed right away by his own power by that logic so shibai wins by doing nothing.
@@eddieboston6540 Interesting logic you have there
@@eddieboston6540Lmfaoooo bro want shibai to win bad af 🤣 not even close why the fk would soul king not kill off shibai before himself shibai would just try to survive the power pressure 🤣
@@jaytheshwatchyomouth5544lol wanking the fodder that wouldn’t even be able to perceive shibai💀
Bleach downplayers seething
15:44 all the Ōtsutsuki can make portals. Battle Field removal is not an option.
Shibia has no feat.
neither does the soul king
@@TheRealMRCZ The soul king powers has been demonstrated well through people but shibia powers just started.
@@flemz9000 no, the soul king has only statements.
@@TheRealMRCZ But his power was used by people, right? I am just reading TYBW manga
@@flemz9000 The only thing the Soul King has done is his power holds 3 planets together, that's it.
blud ur clearly a bleach fan
Nigga pointed the obvious lmao
Ok and ? He’s spitting mf 🤣. “Your a bleach fan 🤡🤓” so he that makes everything he provided cap 😑???
@@Tobey-4671He doesn’t know how to scale goofy
@@frostwave0009 You aren’t any better 💀🙏
@@Tobey-4671 Your just joining the bandwagon like an NPC and going along with it so keep D riding and make sure you zip his pants when your done
Yea the bleach channel would be unbiase I'll give you 4D because if i used the same logic i can get kaguya to that level not giving you 4D would make me a hypocrite. All the realms in bleach are on the same plain none are infinite so they can exist in the same 3D space except one is called infinite but that can just mean vast with it just being a hallway not a universe. Bleach is full of hyperbole statements but you give it them as fact even though the verse contradict itself. You say the soul king would be above dimensions because people know about them but no they don't he only be above the realms which are universal in size on the same 3D plain making the soul king 4D nothing higher. You can't use above human thought because that would be stupid if a human thinks of outerversal then soul king would be above that.
I don't like how you dismiss the boruto stuff but didn't even think twice on the same vague stuff from bleach.
Just like the narutards with channels are also biased, Muken and the valley of screams are infinite as well Infinite means infinite if Kubo wanted to say something else he would've. Go read the light novels prime soul king is above everything in the verse this was stated verbatim, Lol dude Naruto is full of hyperbole Temari being able to "blow away the universe" 😂 is definitely hyperbole.
@@pacmiller7564 wow you talking out your ass it's temari not tenten and universe can also mean world. I never said those narutard channels were right either I said the same on those videos that downplay bleach which is multi galaxy except the soul kind who is 4D by this video logic even though most are a assumption. If he can allow assumption for bleach he has to do the same for Naruto which he doesn't do. Naruto verse is the same the top tier are multi Galaxy with shibai being 4D.
@@pacmiller7564 dang, you didn’t even the character right. You just don’t know what you are talking about.
@@onesmart229 idk even know what your talking about buddy how about some elaboration
@@pacmiller7564 tell me what character actually said “blow away the universe”. The hint is in the wording. “To blow away” is a common English expression which means “to surprise”. It’s a pun commonly used for characters with wind powers like electric characters using “isn’t that shocking”. Before we actually get to a pretty fun debate I want know if you know what character the “blow away the universe” statement belongs to because it’s not Tenten.
The shibai debunk was ass even though I don't agree with 5d shibai or 4d in this method. The interpretation would need to be mutually exclusive because that's how interpretations work. You can't use occumz razor because it takes to many assumptions and its not abiding by what it the original source is saying, it doesn't imply a spiritual realm just because he is leaving his physical body behind this would just mean that when he leave his temporal body that he gains bew axis in the higher dimension that he is in. Now as for naruto scaling I don't really care I'm here to debunk your bleach scaling.
The cleaner being reasoning is just in reference to the fact that it is a being not none spiritual and something that goes against what gin had seen, a knowledge claim and just hyperbolic. Humans can have knowledge of dimensions but not the 4th dimension seeing as they can only theories what these concepts are so it wouldn't matter, even then the term dimension would just be limited to what humans perceive and not overall dimensions that are higher than theirs.
Aizen transcending everything can be hyperbolic because this not only is a knowledge claim seeing as he fears the soul king and is below him seeing as he's below dangai ichigo and mugetsu but also this is limiting everything to the soul society seeing as it stated to be the case on several occasions that he transcends all shinigami. The terms everything doesn't have to be taken literally.
I agree that the soul king transcends everything but within this instance it could just be talking about how he created everything and how he owns it or atleast how he OWNED it before he got negated. Not only that but everything once again doesn't have to be taken literal or on a dimension scale.
The cleaner ruling over time is not only taken out of context because it states its ability is to hit or attack ppl from different time axis but this could just be a hax which doesn't mean anything to there ap. Not only that but ruling over something ≠ to your existential being, ap or even dimensionality.
The interpretation of Shibai entering a higher spiritual or Astral dimension, not necessarily making him 4D would be mutually exclusive interpretations along with the multiple other interpretations possible. The possibility that these two can happen at the same time is simply another interpretation. You don’t understand that my entire point was that you can never assert that “Higher dimension” is ‘most likely’ in reference to higher spatial axis without additional evidence. That is because there are multiple EQUAL interpretations, and nothing debunks that. The entire context of him eating chakra fruit which is a spiritual system, to achieve godlike abilities and then being able to ascend to a higher dimension where a body is not NEEDED. Could imply a spiritual ascendance.
Lol the cleaner being a being of reason is supported and added on by the Databook. “Aizen prove that his power transcends even reason, Aizen destroys the cleaner which has dominion over time and space” This shows that its not just a knowledge claim by gin nor is ANYTHING about that statement hyperbolic unless your just biased😭. Generally whether or not their right Mangaka usually consider the 4th dimension to be the 3 dimensions of space combined with time. Excluding that, it would still make Aizen 4D because that would mean he’s beyond the 3D dimension
Lmao this paragraph shows me you don’t know nothing about Bleach. Aizen never feared the soul king. That is never stated or shown, he was actually disgusted by it. The entire point was that Aizen wanted to become a transcendent being capable of replacing the puppet soul king. And at that point monster Aizen was implied to be above that Ichigo before he activated mugetsu. And seeing as the same statement was used to describe prime soul king which is what Aizen was trying to become then we have no reason to assume it’s hyperbolic unless you have a reason besides saying it’s a knowledge claim 😭
The cleaner is able to move people freely through time and space. The way it’s worded in the Databook supporting aizen transcending reason and logic supports my argument aswell
@@shonenkon2456 Ngl was hoping for this to be better let's go through this.
1. I'm saying that it's not him going to an astral dimension it's him going to a dimension that transcends the temporal one. You giving this interpretation would just be wrong because this doesn't mean anything when it's just not implied. It cannot be a mutually exclusive interpretation because there is no other alternative interpretation seeing as the context over what is happening in regards to things like samsara is just different and what's happening here is something different he isn't going to a realm with no physical means. I don't care for what's most likely because the high dimension being beyond the temporal or physical realm are indeed perfectly fine because you transcend the 3rd lr 4th dimension you and beyond the spiritual and physical aspects of that dimensional structure. Also what a dimension is, just a measurable extent so if this realm is told to be here then the only logical conclusion we would have to make is that it's just adding an extra axis layer of measurement aka a higher axis. It can't be a spiritual transcendence cause its saying it in reference to dimensionality.
No the cleaner being reasoning us once again could just be a hyperbolic statement to say that this is a thing that holds no spiritual energy seeing as that's what gin says literally in the SAME panel, it's just saying it's something that isn't ordinary and something that doesn't operate with there line if power seeing they use reatsu... The cleaner doesn't. The data book doesn't mean anything seeing as this can just refers back to what the cleaner is which is not 4d or reasoning itself and can still be a knowledge seeing as gin isn't writing this nor does he have awareness of this being or the quote on quote data book. This would also just be appealing to authority if I'm being honest too seeing as the databook had been contradicted on multiple occasions.
I've been reading and watched bleach since I was 5 years old with my cousin... Ain't no way you just said that but that's not the point, Aizen never feared Reio???? Wait deadass???? "I refuse to exist in a world ruled by that thing" and then proceeded to tell kisuke and its implied through his entire existential crisis that he was having that he obviously feared the soul king because he ruled over everything including all shinigamis this is aoao consistent because it was stated later on that no one besides kisuke could perceive him including the squad zero which would reio > squad zero > aizen in the ss arc. Ichigo was stated to be able to do the soul Kings work because of the fact that he had all the races in him not because his reatsu > his and also reio was doing this while unconscious. Ichigo doing the same thing ≠ relativity. Monster aizen wasn't stated to be Above him sering as ichigo tanked all his attacks and said they were worthless and then he could've just been BEFORE he could evolve and 1 shot him he's gonna use it which is why he uses it.
No it's not able to move ppl freely through space and time the context of that is just simply in reference to the fact that he is able to hit ppl from different axis in the universe which is consistent seeing as that is his ability. Even then that doesn't mean anything nor does it scale to his as.
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@@kadexshidomuda8113 No... you're just wrong about Gin's statement.
I may have forgotten who exactly, either Gin or Isshin explained what the Dangai was. _Realistically it's a Wormhole that connects universes and timeslines._
Anyway, the statement goes something like, The Dangai is a dimension made up of a Space with multiple layers of time woven around said space, which is why it houses all timelines.
A single space having multiple layers of time is "unreasonable" or "inconcievable" or "illogical", such a space would implode on itself.
The Kototsu is the embodiment of that very concept which defies reason or logic as it maintains that space (that's what Gin meant). And it's other function is to "remove" anything it detects from that space which is why Shinigami use hell butterflies to traverse that dimension, likely because the Kototsu has no dominion over Hell or it's inhabitants... so the butterfly acts as a cloak.
Anyway, being the embodiment of the Dangai, it's existence itself defies logic and so does it's inexistence, as contradictory as that may sound.
On one hand, it is inconcievable as an existence, and on the other hand, it holds the realm together so it's non-existence would cause it's eventual collapse.
So, yes... Gin wasn't just being hyberbolic, he was being literal and so was Aizen when he affirmed that notion and claimed to be beyond it. Obviously, you don't exposition dumb to another character who knows what you're implying.
Gin and Aizen both understood what sort of being the Cleaner was.
Isshin (I believe) is the one who lore dumps to Ichigo who knows nothing (which makes sense). So contextually, Gin wasn't pulling a "trust me bro" because his claim is in line with Isshin's explanation.
The fact that Isshin had to use all his reiatsu just to maintain the Dangai long enough for Ichigo to train further proves that the Kototsu was indeed the "force" that held the realm together with it's existence alone, making it 4D as it's a space-time continuum.
Kototsu knocking you through time and space isn't just a hax as you put it, it's basically Kubo's idea of wormhole time travel. Dangai being a wormhole and the Kototsu basically being the "worm" or the catalyst that ensures travelling between dimensions and timeslines is possible.
So *tdlr;- Gin was 100% right, so was Aizen and Isshin.*
*Dangai is a space-time continuum.*
*Kototsu scales to Dangai, and Aizen scales above it making him 4D*
@@revenantronin8377 W comment.
bro downplayed shibai to the max just to wank soul king, bruh the raws of the kanji literally denote a mathematical higher dimensionality, he is the same author who made fudo myo and you are telling me he means something else, the copium from you bleach scalers are insane , soul king is no where comparable to a higher dimensional char , shibai destroys based on statements and facts.
No wank needed just fact's Soul King negs and maybe go rewatch the video before seething in the comments. He gave Shibai his 4d scaling Shibai still loses and then you say 'Soul king' is nowhere near comparable to higher level char. Dude shitbai, is just 4d lol you act like that's unreachable 'Soul King' transcends everything in the verse him just being above the cleaner is enough. But characters like Kenpachi and Unohana can affect an infinite dimension, Yhwach can affect the Garganta soul king negs lol Narutards are just hilarious.
@@pacmiller7564 your just bleachtards who are delusional
Even Hagoromo transcended time & space easily & he had infinite power from the pure lands (heaven)
Here you think Shibai went to another dimension ☠️
The guy was scared to show kaguya was going to destroy the entire time space which is a 4D feat & ended up saying world☠️ which is nowhere in the Naruto Manga
@@pacmiller7564bleachverse along with soul king all max at 3D stop capping 💀🤦🏽♂️, no one in the bleach verse is higher dimensional 💀💀, lol Kenpachi and unohana are continental to multi continental max😂😂, yhwach can affect the garganta by environmental chain destruction through destroying the soul society 🤦🏽♂️💀💀😂 that ain’t a feat , the same soul king who was defeated by 5 elders around ichibe level 💀, who stole his powers and trapped him💀💀
@@Reinhardt234 you are too much retarded you can argue with me
@@rudeffx_1pnah I don’t drink Clorox everyday , 💀, only bleach retarded fans like you spout shit when they don’t even know what they are talking about
Bru u say that this dimension shibai transcended to could just be another dimension but for you to say that you would have to have evidence of what this other dimension is. Until it’s proven this dimension is not 4th dimensional then by the narrative of the story he’s 4d cuz no other dimension that we kno of exist “higher” than Naruto’s world. This doesn’t debunk anything. Saying this could mean this or that could be used against any of the 4/5d arguments for bleach. Your reaching hard bru.
I'm a bleach fan but you're right
He did not debunk it, though; it could be either of those scenarios, so we can only say for sure until it is outright proven. Either way, he was still considered 4d. It's different from bleach, where the feats are actually shown.
@@irete267 I don’t see any feats that confirmed any body from bleach being 4d the aizen arguments have been debunked so many times and nun of them are as concrete or black n white like Shibais. Shibai was out right stated to have transcended to 4d by 2 people stated word for word. When all of bleach arguments mostly rely on light novels etc.
@obliteratex8966 How exactly have those feats been debunked? The way I see it, it is the reverse tbh. To start with, Shibai was simply stated to have transcended and nothing more. Whether it's to a different dimension or a plane of existence is unknown; no one said anything about him being 4d. That is why I said earlier that nothing definite can be said until further proven. It is literally just a statement and nothing more. Now, the same could actually be said with Aizen's statement to Ichigo that he is on a higher plane of existence than him. Without context, it is the same thing as the Shibai statement, but here, there is abundant evidence and clear feats to support the claim. It is clear to see that Kubo considers the 4th dimension as time and space. He is very intentional about the way he portrays dimensionality and the way he designed the bleach world. Even without knowledge from the light novels, a weakened, mutilated soul king is able to passively sustain the garganta, which is already a multiverse as it contains separate universes such as the world of the living, soul society and other spaces like the dangai which is proven and stated to be a hyperspace. That already makes him, and by extension, Yhwach, at least 5D because Yhwach was going to do the reverse of what prime soul king did. Aizen himself was able to destroy the cleaner, a being that governs and is beyond time and space(the fourth dimension)with a simple thought and nothing more. The cleaner is 4d and is stated verbatim to be a being of reason. Even just getting chased by it could throw you in a different time period(as Ichigo and friends did early in the story). There is a plethora of evidence that justifies Aizen's statement referring to dimensionality, so there is your proof. On the other hand, there isn't even any evidence of there being anything beyond the one universe in Naruto, so it's simply not possible to interpret the Shibai claims as 4d as things are now. Bleach's dimensionality is just that much higher.
@@irete267 we’ve already seen people on Naruto transcend to another plane of existence with hagoromo. If shibai simply did the same thing as him then he wouldn’t be praised as the Otsutsuki god for just this simple reason….. It was stated that he transcended to a higher Dimension that even the otsutsuki them self can not perceive. As u kno 4th dimensional space can not be perceived by a 3rd dimensional space. So no Shibai didn’t just transcend to another plane of existence it literally doesn’t make any since with the story. Stop being bias.
The mental gymnastics to not grant Boruto their scaling.
It manages to get even more biased later on in the video lmao.
Exactly this guy cannot scale to save his life💀 he thinks transcending into a higher mathematical dimension means you are simply entering the afterlife when literally you are transcending that😂
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it's called reasoning, you should try it
Untill we know something about shibai. It's irrelevant him to scale.
For the fact that you didn't mention shibai being omnipotent and omniscient proves you don't know nothing about him and scaling him to planetary proves my point and since when is sitting in a cristal a better 😂. And tear down this video
Shibai being stated to be omnipotent and omniscient doesn't really mean much, tbh. Uryu said that Yhwach was omnipotent and omniscient in chapter 661 of the manga, so... 🤷♂
By the way, Shonenkon is talking about PRIME Soul King, _before_ he was sealed in a crystal.
@@Grognack and still yhwach lost to Ichigo even if he is omnipotent and omniscient does that make any sense to you and how does shibai being omnipotent and omniscient don't mean much
@@LwaziBanele-sg1qc Because unlike Shibai, Yhwach and the Soul King actually have feats. 🥱
Not saying that the Soul King and Yhwach are ACTUALLY omnipotent/omniscient, I'm saying that just because a character is stated to be omnipotent/omniscient does not mean they are _TRULY_ omnipotent/omniscient. And it is not viable for scaling, unless proven. Hardly any character in fiction is _truly_ omnipotent/omniscient.
Then explain it to me what does it mean I would love to know and transcending to another dimension is a feat on itself because very few beings can do it
So what you saying is that the soul king was wrong when he said yhwach is omnipotent and omniscient
@@LwaziBanele-sg1qc He didn't "transcend", he ascended. Even then, transcending to another dimension isn't an uncommon thing in fiction lol. Read more stories.
Bruh. 🤦♂ It wasn't the Soul King that said Yhwach was omnipotent and omniscient, it was Uryu.
*READ.*
My whole point is that a character being stated to be omnipotent/omniscient does not mean that they are omnipotent/omniscient in the TRUEST sense. And taking a statement like that as gospel is a very disingenuous and fallacious way of power scaling.
Shibi out haxs him mid=high diff
Another Brain dead .... Didn't you see the whole video? Shibai is featless
Soul king's sp wins
@@parthbhardwaj1983 he literally talked about the soul king while he only said half fact about shibia
Soul king and shibia transcended to a higher dimension which makes them 4d but he didn't mention that shibia not only transcended to a higher dimension but also went to a plane of existence/ higher dimension which makes him 5d
Shibia transcended life and death which makes him true immortal but this guy only mentioned that soul king is immortal
He mentioned that the soul king is omnipotent and omniscient, in chapter 80 (I think) momoshiki stated that the omnipotence and omniscient being only can control the omnipotence which makes shibia omnipotent and omniscient being
Daemon's ability not only can reflect physical attacks but he can reflect emotions too, if you think something can harm him then that thing will reflect on you even without touching
He said granganta is infinite and dimensions are infinite too, well I kinda agree with granganta being infinite( while the actual statement says granganta is infinitely expanding) but others aren't infinite at all
@@mrxiinka6206real shi he showed 2 feats out of like 7-8 that he has💀🤦🏾♂️
Fact
you lowballed shibai so bad u only used 2 statements out like like 6-7 that he has further solidifying his statements
Like wat lmao
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@@giodonn5172 ?💀
@@shonenkon2456 ??
@@_fxmous.jcincr3dibl395 what are the other 4-5 statement I didn’t use
Calling the Bleach realms each universes when the series states that together make up the singular universe leaves a lot of room for doubt.
They are universes in that each is an infinite realm separated by the Precipice World, essentially a void between that distorts time and space. At the very least, the Soul Society and the Living World are galaxies at minimum, since we can see the stars in each and the Soul Society is mentioned to be equivalent. The Living World is supposed to be representative of our own world, so it being a universe makes sense. Hell has to be of at least a similar scale given that it was originally the parallel existence to the combined state of the other 'universes'. Hueco Mundo and the other pocket realms within Bleach are much harder to scale... though, Muken is directly stated to be infinite in size.
@@lo4tr none of them are ever described as infinite and they are literally stated to be one universe. The Muken is the only dimension with characters describing it’s size infinite but there has been conflicting descriptions.
@@lo4tr Well said.
@@onesmart229yes they are described as infinite
In the cfyow and safwy novels as well
Ichibei says something related to how he wants one thing to be known in the universe which is soul society there.
In safwy is also a statement about wotl being universe sized
Those realms are anything from multi galaxy to universe in size from what we know...
Universe 7 has multiple universe sized realms in it if not arguably higher dimensional realms in it yes it’s still called Universe 7. It’s just a name thing it doesn’t debunk it. DC has something called “The Map of the Multiverse.” Yet with statements it’s way beyond just a Multiverse same with Marvel from what I’ve of the verses easily High Outer for each lol.
Can you do ichigo vs Yusuke urameshi
Why do you want to see Yusuke die?
Bro is sending Yusuke to his grave 💀
Shibai negs this prime overwanked fodder king
Narutotard detected, Opinion rejected
@@officejetpro365x3 nah just facts but as usual delusional bleachtards who have been moving the goal post of the their overwanked verse should talk🤦🏽♂️😂, prime fodder king and his son get negged together
@@Reinhardt234 argue with me
Hey pal did u just blow in from stupid town.
Overwanked is hilarious coming from a Naruto fanboy
Nobody ever called him outta
The dk riding is crazy shibai solos
You're wrong and if you want, I can prove it too.
If shibai wanted to he would kill soul king with ez nodiff
Soul king has more feats and statements.shibai is pure statements.
Yes your dck riding is a madness, soul king>>>>>>yhwach>>>>>naruto/borutoverse
This is a video that shouldn’t been made yet. We don’t know what neither is fully capable of. Yes…we have a bit of info on the Soul King, but it’s not known if he can even fight. And all we know about Shibai reached Godhood, but there’s no way to tell how powerful he is until we get more info.
The Soul King in his prime could definitely fight, as explained by Ichibe in the light novels.
@@Grognack Oh that’s awesome then. Hopefully we get to see a flashback fight with him in the anime.
@@GrognackHe also has combat hax, so it would make sense
Once i saw the channel pfp ik who was going to win blid wants his favorite character to win at all cost 😂😂
then debunk.
@@icy1x1 cry lil bro
@@robloxgaming3460 amazing response keep it up bucko
@@icy1x1 wow you still crying
@@icy1x1 i actually respond to stupid people with their stupid arguments
Question does Ichigo have infinite speed
Hes he has consistent inf and inaccessible speed feats
@@giodonn5172 wer did he get this feat
@@shukurenai3278 he can traverse hell and the dangai which are infinite ans he pass through the dimension in finte amount of time
He also scale above hikone speed which is near instantaneous making him consistent inf speed also there lille barro x axis which breaks the concept of dodging but thats irrelevant to immeasurable but this is inconsistent
@@giodonn5172 other question wer do you scale ichigo
@@shukurenai3278 ich is very werid to scale
Ppl scale him from multi-galaxy to low complex multiversal
But for me low multiversal
L take
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@@Kirin-Ftl biased 💀
@@nickychan4997 debate me then
I think shobai has to out hax him and hax doesnt work of ur purely stronger then ur opponent so soul king
Shibaii 5d soul king 3d
Prime Soul King is also 5D cosmology. Dangai Ichigo is 4D, and Soul King is far above him.
Shibai is barely 4D
@@crabby1no dangai is not 4D. Aizen literally said that statement was just a figure of speech . Soul king isn't 5D at all either. Shibai stomps
@@crabby1 You dont even know what dimensions mean. A 3d character is a like a god to 2d chatacters. Like you draw an 2d anime you can interact and create everything. 4D can interact at anytime anywhere in 3D. 4D(omnipresent), 5D(possibly omnipotent or allpowerful). If Ichigo was 4D he could control time and the whole dimension.
Lies LOL
5:16 your interpretation described what Hagaromo did, which is different from what Shibai did given the context of the series.
Damn dude you have multiple comments down here definitely some fanboy behavior
@@pacmiller7564 it’s time stamps to address particular points. If you have an issue with comments actually relating to the points said in the video that’s more of a you issue.
@@onesmart229 naw my problem is just fanboys that's it
Cool, he still isnt 4D or 5D
@@officejetpro365x3 he is cope clorox fan
CFYOW 3 CHP 22 Yhwach stated that sk was created by ss and ss is a world a planet construct..
Sk has nevr created any Universe rather he was betrayed by the Nobles
He din't create any concept of Life and death
He just placed it .
I am not taking this fodder eve to 4d... Whereas
Shibai is in mathematical dim
Anyway the video was funny none of the bleach is even close to uni and the stop the wank u took world's for Bleach but don't for Naruto 😂
world does not equal planet, it can mean universe as well. Anyway, ss literally contains an infinite structure and you are still saying its just a planet?
@@ningnings_randomworld than we should do that for Naruto too right?? ..
And u say infite structure?? How like literally how??.
Even In the scans says the serithel is located at the centre of the ss and an infinite dim cannot have centre! So not uni.. and rather Ss literally in the anime or manga it's shown to have only a size of County not even a planet
Bro, I already smacked you on Hapi's Bleach cosmology video, gtfo and go get your GED. Because I KNOW you didn't finish high school with that abysmal grammar, spelling, and overall piss-poor reading comprehension.
😮💨Alright so much wrong with this statement so let me correct you
. Wrong! that's how I know your just being biased the Soul King was created within the Garganta lol The Almighty created the SS how was he born in it
.Ss has a sun, moon, stars and even a galaxy cluster so saying planetary is downplay
. You apparently can't comprehend the nobles used his abilities to create all the different realms so....
. Right and wrong the Soul king didn't create the concept of life and death but he did make death permanent so death manipulation lol
. You don't get Soul king to 4d oh no I guess that's that then if you say so then it's settled.
. Good on Shibai being mathematically whatever, shibai ascended keyword ascended the Soul King transcends everything in the verse The cleaner already is above reason.
Anyways you said nothing Bleachverse is above Naruto/Boruto all this crying won't change that.
@@amaterstu8000muken
And how should he counter adas ability? Cuz they’re also from shibai cells
You are a clear fan of Bleach, but Shibai 5D He will be killed without moving
Fr and he has a lisp 😭
Bruh if we go by scale like that,Blach Verse have way higher end Cosmo scale than anything Naruto/Boruto lmao. Mugetsu/TS Ichigo alone can be scaled to 5d just by going off the pre-established dimensional Transcendence in Bleach lmao.
@@Kirin-Ftlwut man??
Led to godhood 🐸
@@abyzz4419 aizen was not being litteral
Most dropped Anime bleach
statistic from myanimelist 💀
And so boruto is still trash like your life
Boruto is still trash like you
Sure buddy Boruto 4/10 MAL 🥱 and Bleach tybw 9/10 ranked 12 glaze more brother
Bro said kaguya's realms are planets☠️
Don't you even know what time space is? Time space isn't a planet to begin with it's a 4D structure which kaguya was going to destroy & recreate it at the same time
It's literally mentioned in Naruto Manga more than once that her dimensions are time space not planets. This further is backed up in Boruto novel when Momoshiki in base is said to have created a parallel universe which again kaguya had the same power to send people into her parallel universes too
Hagoromo transcended time & space even death as he exists in different realites at the same time including pure lands which is heaven in Naruto
So Shibai is bare minimum 5D at extreme lowball
Again the raw scan literally says mathematical dimensions ☠️ what are you talking about this isn't a bleach cosmology
Eida is capable of creating universes with a senrigan easily & change reality as she pleases
1. Kaguya's space-times are star level no further context given
2. Momoshiki created a parallel dimension not parallel universe
3. Hagoromo didn't transcend anything lmao you are bringing up headcanon
4. You can't even make the cosmology 5d so it's no use to argue
@@rudeffx_1p space time is 4D construct ☠️ not a star which she was going to destroy & recreate it simultaneously
Parallel Dimension = parallel universe which he created in base
Even absorbing Chakra beyond the parallel dimension also beyond the universe making it Low multiversal
Shibai is above low multiversal
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- parallel dimension doesn't mean parallel universe lmao
The cosmology caps at universal lmao
Yo how old are u 😂😂😂
@@rudeffx_1p go do research