Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme (2022) - The Better Dell XPS 15?
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- Review of the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 5. This is the 2022 Model and the one I'm reviewing comes with an Intel I7-12800H CPU and a RTX 3070TI. Hopefully this helps you out on whether you should pick one up.
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Review of the Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen 5. GPU TGP is 90W but apparently there is a bios update pushing it to 110W but I haven't seen it yet.
“The nipple still feels fantastic like the first time I touched it”💀💀
great conclusion dude, especially when you have an additional M.2 SSD slot if you choose the 3050Ti with 12700H
It really is a shame that Intel has a monopoly on the X1 series. This would be a killer laptop with a 6800H
Lenovo already has a powerful Thinkpad with AMD chips, it's called Z16.
Andrew, do you know if the claim your prise link a fake?
@@GaryOHagan it's definitely fake, please don't follow it
@@lars2894 true, but i don't like the direction they've taken the Z series. The camera bump is really ugly, the ports aren't great, and the click buttons are capacitive. It's a shame
Agreed, and I think the same could be said about the Dell XPS lineup as well.
Really tx for that review
I love this laptop, I got the v1 version, have been using it for 5 years. I want the new one ;(.
I'm jealous, I feel like you suddenly review it because you want a new one :)
Thanks so much for this great review it was very informative and helpful. Will you be reviewing the X1 Carbon Gen 10?
This would be a dream laptop with amd cpu + gpu and if the paint would never peel off the chassis. but a $3k business laptop with 5 hours of battery life and the paint peeling off? that's pretty much a travesty. just imagine this thing with a durable metal body and an amd 6800hs + 6700s, having 10 hours of battery life.
Sure mate. Also much cheaper
@Goat that price is with a 20% discount already.
Get the legion 7 AMD Advantage edition, even with the base Ryzen 6800H & Radeon 6700 M is a brilliant performer, solid built too
@@nishantmachhar the slim version is what I have my eyes on. The build with 6800h cpu + 24gb ram + 6700s can be bought for around $1600 with a 20% coupon. I'm slightly mad that it has soldered 8gb ram but it probably accepts a 32gb stick as well in the slot. The only other thing I'm contemplating if the mini led display will ever be available for it- I'm checking it every week for months now and it's still not available for any model.
Rtx 3080 ti is something in a business lapto, great
im still using the 2021 legion 5i pro (i7-11800h+3070ti). Even though this only has been my first laptop in my whole life, what struck me the most about it, compare to all other laptop brands and models that i've unbox and setup for our store customer, is how good the damn keyboard is. I feel like i can even compare it to my mechanical keyboard that use MX Speed Silver switch lol.
The keyboard feels damn satisfying to type and game on. Lenovo really knows how to make good keyboard for their laptop.
I also have the exakt same Laptop but looking to make the switch to p1 territory due to weight reasons. The 300w brick is just too much of a hassle, and the fact that the computer already weighs 2.4kg is just crazy
The ThinkPad keyboard is better than the legion series. The actual left, middle and right buttons on the ThinkPad touchpad can replace the mouse. I have always used the ThinkPad series, X200T, X1 Carbon 2016 and P1.
I think the sweet spot would be an AMD configuration for the Xtreme. You still get plenty of power, AMD is not as power hungry as Intel and won't be running as hot. I would go for the bigger, chunkier one with the Intel config (the other thinkpad, forgot its name atm). Also, I find it sad that I can't have an ethernet port on most of the business laptops these days, making me buy a usb 3.0/3.2 or usb c converter to ethernet. And we've had laptops with 1.7kg's in the past, smaller 14' devices, really thin, that included the ethernet port, so there is no excuse whatsoever.
Recently started watching your videos. Worth watching and clean content
Thanks Jack!
Very nice review.
Thanks Mr Fudd
I had always considered this to be a competitor to the MacBook Pro 16 so it would have been cool to have included it in some of the charts and graphs. I consider gaming laptops to be in a category of their own and not to compete with MacBooks in any way since macOS has such a poor game selection but any work or "professional" laptops I consider to be in the same category. Either way, great review - I've always wanted one of these but the price has always been a bit more than I could stomach for what you get.
macboo pro would easily beat this in both performance and build quality. The only thing this would be better at is gaming
@@steviegbcool Machine learning on Apple's CreateML or any ML app running natively on Apple neural engine is insanely fast BTW.
I'm still using my macbook 15" from 2011 instead of my P1Gen4/X1 Extreme gen4 from 2022! It's is THAT bad!!
Please don't buy lenovo! lenovo is cutting warranty and customer support 2022-2023, it is non existing!! Don't buy lenovo, they are scammers!! lenovo blacked mail me a severe faulty thinkpad p1 gen4 and will not do anything about it because they decide everything is outside warranty! Paint is falling off, severe driver/hardware issues, thermal issues, it has almost every disease a laptop can have! And lenovo want's me to pay for the repair!
@@TommySchwartz do you still have Lenovo Vantage? You can buy extended warranty and wait 30 days to make a claim lol
@@samb2166 lenovo don't do warranty, it's just a fake facade. I tried to write to them almost every day for 5 months in all possible ways, but they only answer "it is cosmetic and not covered by warranty". They won't accept anything under warranty!!
I believe Lenovo just sent this model to various reviewers because a few new reviews released just in the last 10 days and even an unboxing video had a dirty laptop from the box…
is there any difference in screen quality between the touch and nontouch 4k screen models?
Beautiful brother
For my X1 Extreme Gen 2, the battery is the weakest link. Guess the same story will be with this generation as well - the TDP of the CPU is still on the same level but screens are brighter and have bigger resolutions so that +12 % for the battery will not help much.
Same here, I love my X1E Gen 2 - but this battery sucks! Doesn't help that I opted for the OLED display haha. I was hoping the battery would be much larger by now....
@@juliandinkins3226 After three years of using X1E G2, it's time for me to upgrade my laptop. I have been looking into T16/P16s as potential options. These laptops can be configured with a 15/30W CPU and an 86Wh battery, which I hope will provide a battery life of at least 5-6 hours.
I really want this even though my HP EliteBook is more than good enough.
I hate thinking this, but the fact that we're now seeing - and yes I know it's on the desktop and we may not be near laptop launches - 13th gen intel and 40 series nvidia makes it a little more difficult to pay top dollar for a device with soon-to-be last gen specs. I know there's always something better around the corner. It just feels like not the right time to buy a 12th gen intel, 30 series nvidia machine unless there's a pretty darn good discount available. Have a great weekend Matt.
Very nice review, I just wished you had actually included the XPS 15 and 17 in the comparison charts, otherwise the video came a cross a bit inconsistent. even "XPS" is the title of the video and yet no way to answer the question "better dell xps 15?" and if possible also to include Macbook Pro 14 or 16 in this tier of laptops comparison.
1:36 I'm sure it was just as good as the very first day you touched it
1:42 spitting facts
Matt, can you cover a little bit more next time on CPU and GPU wattages in your review? It makes it easier to determine actual performance.
Can you do a review of the Asus vivabook m7601 AMD version and compare to the X1
I'm a Thinkpad user and the experience has been great, except for the deck that tends to get greasy. This extreme is great but not perfect. Hopefully the next generation will be able to take better advantage of the hardware.
which one do you think is great if not levovo which one dell ?
This is really neat. I bought Dell workstation laptop all my life. This is the first Lenovo laptop that I am considering to crossover.
Is it worth the price or a T16 has a better price per value?
My favourite laptop
Love classic Thinkpad design! The only thing this needs is a force touch trackpad.
Agreed! Force touch and it would be perfect.
Noooooooo. No clunkpad.
They also need to start taking warranty issues and customer support seriously before anyone should buy it, it is non-existing! I have tried to contact them at lenovo forums, facebook, instagram, escalation team, digital retailer, even emailing head of lenovo Global PR!! They simply stop caring as soon as you have pay the computer. Have a P1Gen4 (same as x1 extreme gen4) and it is horrible in almost any way (hardware issues and severe quality issues)
3050 model got
2 memory + 2 ram slots ?
😂Just happen to recommend the Extreme Gen 5 to a friend lately. Feel reassured seeing this video!
Straight forward review. Short and on point as we like it.
Thanks Rui!
wow whata great video and advice thank you. still looking for that 4.5lb 16-17 inch gaming laptop with usb c gaming :D
8TB SSD for a laptop???? now where do you get such
i’m still rocking my Gen1. might upgrade next year. idk
Ya I mean if you don’t need to might as well hold off
Have you compared this to the Asus Zenbook Pro? How do you think it compares?
I have. I had the two machines side by side for a couple of weeks. I really liked the Zenbook Pro 16X overall, but the display I could not live with it. It was super glossy. Literally a black mirror. Any lights behind it were a distraction at best and blinding if it was sunlight. Very annoying and caused a lot of eye strain in my use case.
There is also a visible white mesh that can be seen in areas of the white screen areas. I had read somewhere that it had to do with the touchscreen matrix or something like that. But I am not sure that makes sense.
The display is not as bright as the claimed 550 nits. That peak brightness is only possible in a small window. The sustained brightness of the display is closer to 360 nits. I found for outdoor use or when there was a strong backlight behind it that it really needed to be about 20% or so brighter.
I ended up returning it yesterday and keeping the X1 Extreme Gen 5, despite my preference for the Asus in many ways. The display was just something that I could not live with.
Battery life and performance were otherwise very similar. Ports are also similar, though the Asus only has 1 USB-A.
The keyboard can be hit or miss depending on your preferences. Some like the 7-degree tilt, while others don't. I fell into the liked it category.
The trackpad is also hit-and-miss. Nice large size, good tactile feel, and haptic feedback. But sometimes it seemed to have a mind of its own and did everything except what it was supposed to do. It reminded me a little of training a puppy. If they don't understand the trick that you are trying to teach them, they will do every other trick that they know for the treat, even if none of them are correct :) (that can hopefully be fixed via a later firmware update hopefully?)
The included backpack and pen were nice value-added features of the Asus. But it is disappointing that the memory and SSD are soldered on and non-upgradable. Not an issue if the configurations that they offer do suit your needs, but something worth considering.
Also, the Zenbook Pro 16X is a heavy beast. The ThinkPad X1 Extreme isn't the lightest of laptops, but the ZenBook Pro 16X is a chunk. You could seriously bludgeon someone to death with it.
Thanks
You're welcome!
Do thinkpad have a variant with numberpad? I really dig the design of thinkpads.
T15 series and P series
Can you please give more port specifications like whether its HDMI 2/2.1?
it's hdmi 2.1
Hope you'll test the beefy P16 at some point!
Sent from my trusty P72.
do a review of the dell xps 15 9520 please?
What about the battery life for just productivity? And what about mixed usage (content creation and word/web-browsing)?
I have the config with the 3070ti and 12800H processor, and the 165Hz refresh rate screen. Battery life is pretty meh. As an example using it today for about 45 mins on power saving mode I went from 85% to 50% (so a third of power used over 45mins - extrapolating means the battery would last 2 hrs 15 mins). This was just for light to moderate usage (sending emails and internet browsing, using microsoft office)
Battery life is terrible. About 3-4hrs for casual usage. 1hr or less for gaming...
p1gen4, it is laughable, if I really pushing it to it is not usable anymore I have maximum 4 hours. My macbook 15" from 2011 is still doing better!!
good choice for a student or no?
I bought one but returned,
the laptop is beautiful, simple but nice design. Nice quality.
But 12th intel just too hot for such slim laptop. Even just web browser such like ytb watch will hear the fan noise.
That's the the state of windows laptops right now. They need a massive transition to ARM but qualcomm needs to catch up to Apple.
@@MatthewMoniz exactly, I think so far the best option for windows ultrabook is ryzen 6000. I tried x1 carbon, even the p series is hot as hell...
Did you choose the 3070ti model ? As far as I know, only that model has a vapor chamber for cooling.
@@bora8254 yes 3070ti model， hot as hell，the temperature can run up to 100c when I was running dota2 for just 1 minute, a game can be easily run by 3050ti.
What did you buy in its place?
"The only laptop like this was the Dell XPS 15.."
*Asus ZenBook Pro: Am I a joke to you?*
And btw you should also take a look at the Lenovo P1, it's even more catered towards professionals than the X1, a proper workstation laptop.
Wowowoww
For all and all laptop is same as is polimorf as isn't
What made you other company didn't create the same thing?
How to sell it meanwhile others too?
wow upgradable ram , no vents at the right side . wifi card is soldered , but ok . it performs better than my pc
I wonder if this would this be able to sufficiently edit 10-bit video files.
I mean I edit 10-bit on it without any problems.
I just picked one up to edit Raw 12-bit filmed on BMPCC4K, will report back after I get some experience
That thing 😊😊😊❤❤❤💪💪💪
Can you make it little bit longer video....and show us laptop all around slowly....😁. Thank you.
can you be more specific? Like what exactly would you like to see?
@@MatthewMoniz Heyy! i the current lenth is absolutely awesome. I love these bite sized videos and making these any longer might feel like stratching it a bit too much-
@@MatthewMoniz I mean design like how it look from all side...material quality, I-O ports, front screen area, keyboard area, ...we want see laptop properly....i😁. Hope you don’t mind and please make videos around 10 minutes, we love to watch your review. Thanks.
Everything is better than the XPS series today. The XPS series today is a shadow of it's former self. Dell switched from a performance device to what seems like a cheap consumer device. I would not recommend current gen XPS devices to anyone 2022. XPS used to be Dells borderline gaming and high performance line, and it isn't even a performance work device nor is it a performancing gaming or content creating device. Idk what Dell Intends to do with their XPS line these days....
HP Zbook Studio G9 ??
Solution is create the other one such as android phone etc,..
with the disappearance of the Blade Studio, I think the X1 Extreme is wasting the opportunity to have a "quadro RTX 5000" type of model with 16GB GPU. Btw, Puget Premiere score was kind of low compared to the Helios 300 (are you sure these two numbers are not mixing different versions of Premiere or the Puget Plugin?)
It’s called the ThinkPad p1. It’s the work station version of the x1 extreme with up to a 16gb a5000. P1 had the exact same body as the x1 extreme.
@@swlak516 oh you are 100% right. my bad.
How does this compare to the 16" LG gram? I have been eyeing both, main use is for business. Thanks Matt!
Totally different products. But lg gram is lighter with less power. Extreme is heavier more performance. Depends what you’re doing. If it’s just office work I’d go with gram. If you need a gpu id go thinkpad x1 extreme
@@MatthewMoniz thank you!
Can I use 100W pd charger (usb-c) to charge the 230W AC Gen5 model?
Yes. I have had success charging via USB-C, make sure you have a cable good enough or it won't work (power delivery cable). It gives a warning if you start the laptop with the USB-C plugged in but that about it, just press ESC to let it boot. Charges the laptop if you are using it too, but I'm guessing not at a super-fast rate compared to the bundled charger.
EDIT: my charger is a Satechi 100w PD USB C charger
If Lenovo wouldn't smoke so much crack and price their machines realistically, maybe they'd actually be a viable option but now? Their price/performance is even worse than Apple's during the butterfly keyboard years. I can get a good spec'ed Dell Precision 15 for ~2000, the Lenovo counterpart? 3k+
You are better than Dav2D
Damn nice laptop, massive price though, i like to buy top spec stuff but i think 4-5k for a laptop is pretty far stretched for a normal user. Ill stick with my T480 and T490 for now!
Matte glass would be better
yeah but at least for the screen you can just apply a film on top of it
Not bad.
"The nipple, - my mom comes in, it's it's exactly like how it was the first day I touched it
Nice laptops and all, but the prices are not right imo. Especially in Germany, it almost looks like a money laundering operation.
hahahaha
My next laptop will have top firing speakers like the ThinkPad. I've got an ASUS VivoBook S15 that's nice in every way EXCEPT the dumb down firing speakers.
I wonder if this machine has a better speakers/screen compared to MBP 14?
Thank u in advance!
Nope, The speaker and especially the display is a lot better in MacBook pro 14. The keyboard tho, I think it can compete with mac.
The nipple comment always kills me 😂
But can it run Linux?
How is the fan noise?
I talk about it in the video
It can become quite noticeable when engaging intensive gaming or downloads
Sorry but bye to the carbon fiber. I have a Dell XPS 15 since some years ago, and it is awful: it is dirty, sticky and finally it started to peel off, so I decided to try to take the surface off (like a glue) and now it is softer.
In my opinion, the cleanest and most beautiful material is alluminum for the whole chasis, like some brands use it: Apple, Huawei or Microsoft
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1:41 Some people still like to call it "NIPPLE" whereas others call it "NUB" , lmao 😂🤣
I'm really upset that the 2560 x 1600 screen option does not come with the carbon weave showing.
Would have liked to seen thermal comparisons to see how much the new vapor chamber design helps. The previous gen Extremes were struggle bus with cooling Intel+Nvidia monsters
I completely forgot to put the chart in the vide and I recorded the results. Remind me on Monday and I’ll post a link in the description
@@MatthewMoniz Just add a reminder lol
No numpad 😢
The one u recommend much does it #cost
depends on where you live. There's links in the description if you live in Canada or the US.
@@MatthewMoniz Glasgow and as not working thanks pandemic I'll need to save bit longer
Nice laptop
Will this laptop's chassis finally be upgraded next year? It still looks good, but to compete with the XPs series, I feel there is still space for improvement in the looks department.
ya it could use a bit more refinement.
I still have the 1st generation. Battery never held up more than 1 hour, always overheating and after 3 years, the gpu stopped working ( 1050 ti). Giant waste of money, should of bought the macbook.
Sounds like any windows laptop with a dedicated gpu.
@@MatthewMoniz oh
I still have the 1st generation, works fine.
@@MatthewMoniz Had an Asus Rog from 2015 with a gtx 960, still working and not overheating
what the game?
OMG! 2900 USD... For what?!
1:42 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Just like the first day I touched it 😂.
We noticed bro 😂
Good to see that Lenovo is still doing great job with a Thinkpad lineup for businesses.
6 hours of use. bro
1:43 ROFL
great
You’re great
Too expensive but screen and speakers R Great Job 😀👍
Regards from Europe from my channel 😀👍
'The nipple still feels fantastic like the first day I touched it!'
- Mathew Moniz 2022
Lmao
heat, and fan noise even during easy tasks, bad quality
notice: you can buy an used gaming laptop with can do 90% of this thinkpad can do with just 1/10 the price LOL
"The nipple still feels fine, just like the day I touched it"
"The nipple ... still feels fantastic, like the first day I've touched it"
Yes Matthew, yes it does.
With the 4000 series GPU I'll be all over this thing if they don't make me wait too long.
What took you so long I searched this video from 5 months, but you didn't review
I just got it in! lol
@@MatthewMoniz ok i get it
3k business laptop with 5 hours battery life? Hilarious
Over 6 which is good considering the cpu and gpu that’s inside of it. Plus 4K display
The build quality of Lenovo Thinkpad is getting worse, I don't recommend buying one.
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Merci !
De rien!
You look and sound like an American Colin Farrell
Yeah, Lenovo- never. Sad day when the Thinkpad was turned over from IBM.