Did Ireland run out of gas vs New Zealand? Should there have been more rotation?
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- Did Andy Farrell rotate players enough in the Pool stage?
"I had my reservations in round one. Ireland have played more minutes than any team in the quarters."
"We were all a little surprised he went so strong vs Tonga."
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NZ seemed to have done their homework perfectly. Top game
Rassie is obsessed with rotation, you can see why
If u didn’t have a choice but to play your first side against Tonga - that in itself is a huge problem
Its the Tonga game that f'd us.....the whole team shouldve been rotated...whats the point in bringing 33 if you only intend to use 23 ish...
The was a huge game for the ABs, 25 mins with 14 men on the field!
Their media and fans overhyped forgetting that NZ have big match temperament like boks,how did being no1 help them?
well said mate !
@@stephen-john1677 The irish rugby press have been tossing themselves off this past few years.
Right. Pedigree counts for a lot in tournaments. Ireland cannot be favorites against teams like New Zealand until they start reaching semi finals and finals.
Let's take a look at South Africa, players rested for the easier games. Even against Ireland we rested Dwane Vermeulen and had him up in the coaching booth anylising Ireland. I believe Rassie knows that the WC is a marathon, not a sprint. Let;s see how it goes against France tonight or I may just be eating humble pie alongside you guys.
Yeah but we’ve won 3 world cups - Ireland NOTHING A
@@treytoomuch And that's what mattters in the end. Even if we get kicked out, we actually have achieved things Ireland can only DREAM of - the world cup trophy, 3 TIMES!
ireland were putting out very strong team for all the pool games which resulted in high scores compared to South Africa - after the 2019 WC Rassie mentioned that England played the front row too many times - were never rested.
@@ZO150ZO excuses….failure to execute when required to
You not wrong we have been fine tuning for a while putting education above pool #1 knowing that QF SF & F with todays' standards is going to be the toughest its ever been
Rassie & Co have a plan that they feel with certainty will dismantle France but like you say lets see.
We respect the French.
Go bokke 🇿🇦
First thing wrong here: Downplaying the AB’s performance. Ireland didn’t lose this game.. the AB’s won it. Plain and simple. NZ know what it’s like to be at the top for a long time, how to win the World Cup.. Ireland don’t. They were shut down by the same ‘passive’ defence they criticised. The reigning Player of the Year was completely outplayed by ‘a Shite Richie McCaw’. Even with 2 cards and countless questionable calls… the AB’s pulled through. How?? Championship pedigree. The AURA that was apparently missing. Ireland pundits need to humble themselves like Shane and admit, they don’t have that yet. They will maybe one day.
that Peter O'Mahony remark was a punk ass move disrespectful af what was he thinking? if it was mind games it didn't work it would've helped the AB's if anything. NEVER ever poke the bear.
Spot on
Agree with that.. we need to keep developing young irish teams to get a squad of 30 plus. We will get there. Losing by 4 pts to the ABs is no shame
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Peter O'Mahony was a joke, I had to re-watch the game to see where the hell he got to, man it was like he was AWOL. Slow to the breakdown, not even close to Sam Cane's level. What a stupid thing to sledge your opposing flanker pre-match. Don't they know the AB's have been targeting Ireland since 2022, that was a really dumb move.
I was thinking the whole time that Ireland were keeping their cards close to their chest until the get to the knockout stages BUT to my biggest surprise their attack was one dimensional - nothing new, Same old two pod attach with players coming around the corner and the AB's were prepared for that. Taking nothing away from their effort - it was top notch but I also agree that some players were overplayed as what the comparative time tables depict.
Also quite a few the far side of 30 .
@@tomgreene1843Old and jaded
No other plans.
@@tomgreene1843 this. I think that’s why it hurts the most this time. A good percentage of this squad likely won’t be at the next World Cup. This really was it.
You will definitely see brand new things from ZA tonight. Might not work, but it would not have been seen before.
It goes to show that for tent pole tournaments, like the Rugby World Cup, world rankings count for nothing. If ranking mattered, NZ would be world cup winners 100 times over.
Ireland sacrificed squad rotation to retain a no.1 rank and a win streak, this must be a lesson to learn about knockout rugby... win when it matters it's OK to lose a few.
Correct. I am sick of this number one ranking talk, you get no trophy for it.
100% agreed
Absolute rubbish.
@@Kevin-lf4xxMakes the two of us. They even almost made me despise one of my favorite songs, Zombie. It was too much. No. 1, No. 1.
I’m also thinking about France. Their over-reliance on Dupont might be their downfall. If De Allende smashes him hard in the first 20mins, and he feels his face going numb, he might be occupied with the decision to whether risk his career tonight or live to play on another world cup in 4 years’ time. Us the Boks starting with Cobus when we have Faf is all the confidence I need for a squad rotation and trusting everyone to do the job instead of relying on a few names
Sorry to say - With Shane's kind of thinking, Ireland will not win a WC. There needs to be rotation and depth to WC. History proves it - Look at every team that won the WC. You can not just do it with 15 players. But a squad of 30+ You need 2 teams in the pools.
Missing the point. There is a reason why no tier 1 side has won more than 18 matches. Ireland still ignore historical fact .
Even with rotation no team has won more than 18 games consecutively.
Ireland plan their season around making money and thd six nations. They should structure their seasons into a four year cycle with the aim of RWC final.
They focus on irrelevant wins. The New Zealand tour was a year too early. The players were knackered going into this RWC. New Zealand stated this in the post match press conference. 8 of Ireland's team were in the 2021 Loins add club, and internationals they've been at a high level for over two years.
Yeah they chocked again. 😂. Regardless of there rotation or not by 65 min Irish lads, especially Saxton, was getting the ball flat footed. The guy was gassed out and so was the rest of the team😮💨. In my humble opinion there’s no one in both coaching and players has won in international knockout rugby. This was on display yesterday. Even the Irish media going as low as criticizing Sam Cane. Now I’m a springbok fan. But that guy actually has a RWC winners medal. He is the captain for NZ. You don’t get to that level by accident. Sam whitelock x2 RWC winner. The quality of coaches, players and experience was the difference. Respect the game…
Ireland did not lose the game. NZ kicked their game into a higher gear and won the game.
Sshh u can't say that. Irish media will be after you. Sexton selfish
It was cigarette paper margins. Compared to your semi final, England lost that game. Average old England were a lot better than the Springboks. Got off the hook with a few dubious Scrum penalties though.
@CouncilofOneElectronic nonsense, Ireland not good enough when it comes to the real big competition. England better
New Zealand was never behind in the game and deserved their win.
Maybe NZ just a bit better team on the day, Ireland are a great team but all the northern hemisphere teams don’t have the depth of SA or NZ. Ireland stand out player Bundiaki, prime example of where rugby is right now
Bundi Aki was born and raised in Auckland, NZ, he only qualifies for Ireland via residency since he moved to Ireland in 2014, he got his rugby skills from New Zealand rugby, played for the Chiefs, hardly a product of the Irish system. Its the Kiwi system that produces players of his calibre, same deal with James Lowe, and Gibson-Park. Take them out of the Irish team and your attack falls apart.
Yeah but ABs played 20min with 14men😮 oh that's right and still won😮
Yep. Ireland did to their credit put Scotland away early and pull players off. But South Africa employed the 7-1 for this reason. NZ were poor vs the boks at Twickenham and France because they were on a different trajectory to the NH they had played alot of rugby and had to go off the boil. After Super Rugby finals and straight into winning the Rugby championship.. They couldnt maintain a peak for 4 odd months so dipped and ramped up intensity the last 2 weeks. NZ and South Africa have been here many times and learned the lessons.
Even though they put Scotland away, tye Scots forwards smashed Ireland very good. Then Ireland have to turn in 6 days.
Ireland were given every chance. Nic Berry bought the Irish players rest against Scotland and they still couldn't do it.
Guys, guys, just stop. The Irish didnt play badly, they just came up against a highly motivated, hungry team who played almost a perfect defensive game, especially in the last 35 phases, where the result could have easily changed.
In 2021 in Dublin Ireland scrumhalf passed onto forwards running onto the ball at full pace...last night he passed to forwards standing still who then ran.
They were like Kamikaze in 2021!
They hit a few brick walls and became gun shy.
Plain and simple Ireland Choked.
Got out played even with an extra player for 20minutes. No excuses
Matt Williams has on point here
Even if Ireland won the this QF, there was no way they were going to maintain this intensity into a semifinal, let alone a final and end up lifting William Webb Ellis
A true day of surprises, AB's beat the (light)Green Machine and Matt Williams says something intelligent.
UNBLEIVABLE
Matt Williams saying something insightful. What a timeline this is.
They went out where they deserved to - the quarters - which is as far as they will EVER get
@ABC-dw7pe what an ability you have - can you tell me the lottery numbers for next weekend also please?
@@ABC-dw7peyou bitter little thing
Abs played 20mins down to 14 men dont forget. Ireland were lucky to still be in the game at the end.
The Team averages for the Big 4 after the group stages, in terms of minutes played were: 1) Ireland 250min, 2)Fra 191, 3)NZ 167 and 4) SA 164 - IT should be pretty obvious the top 4 can beat each other on any given weekend, The key was playing 4 intense games(even with a bye) a team will slow down in the 5th (1/4), 6th(semi), 7th(final). A notable point was how Ireland ran out of steam especially at the end, when they could not take advantage of the Yellow card. Normally they would have scored like in the first half when Aaron Smith got sent off. They could do nothing this time. NZ played the game of their lives, but Ireland sadly were a few percentages of their game. 250 vs 191 is 60min more game time - basically a full game more played than the other teams. Very fine margins at the top end of the standings.
Ireland were forced to play at the All Blacks pace, it was obvious 10 minutes in that fatigue was going to be a factor, this is what the All Blacks do, run teams off their feet.
Ireland lost the tackle area, O'Mahoney was literally sucked up & rendered invisible by the All blacks onslaught & efficiency at the breakdown.
The other great advantage the All Blacks had was the experience of 7 players who have won two WC's & a clearer understanding of what it is to climb 3 everests in a row to win a WC, as Sam Cane said, they're happy that they've given themselves another week, and that's precisely All they've done.
Finally, they knew that form counts for nothing at playoff time at a rugby WC, they had a full strength squad available to pick from, the top two inches were dialed in.
The All Blacks took the game away from Ireland.
Nah NZ made them look poor it's called pressure
Yeah the speed of those 30 phases at the start is to take the legs away, think was similar with S.A back at home in the RC
It was brilliant and genius playing full strength team all throughout the pool stages all of a sudden...
As a kiwi here I agree with this. Going into the last 10 mins Ireland chasing the score was v tough physically and mentally and then the last 3 minutes 36 phases they were reduced to a nearly walking pace so exhausted they were and were always kept out of the NZ 22. Farrell had his eyes on the world ranking and the WC and that was a mistake.
Goes back to the Sexton ban. Not having your quarterback on the field in the warm ups meant that the attack was not clicking and Romania and Tonga had to be used as additional game time. Sexton was out on his feet for the last 10 mins last night. Crowley should have been brought in. Coaches didnt trust the back up and over relied on a 38 year old.
I hope the Irish pundits and fans learned a lesson. The number one rule in rugby is “respect the All Blacks”, no matter what. Always respect The All Blacks.
Or just respect your opposition in a knockout
These guys had a lot to say after the South Africa game, but now it's just excuses and tears. It takes a lot more than just being number 1 in the rankings to win a world cup, and the Irish have never been able to absorb that kind of pressure. But who knows, they might just make it past the quarter finals some day. As far as this world cup is concerned, all I can say is better luck next time, and have a safe flight home.
I think the set piece was our Achilles heel really. It seemed like every time that there was a scrum it was a penalty to whatever other team we were playing. We probably could have survived that but then the lineout coughing up ball all over the place even back to the pre tournament warmup games was a killer. I’m not sure why it went to pieces at the worst possible time. Doris made a few bad errors last night with the dropped ball from the drop out after Kelleher was held up being another killer. A double whammy. A missed kick which wasn’t too difficult and as usual some odd decisions from Wayne Barnes. A lot of small things that added up. Having said that NZ were excellent and really brought it like I think a lot of people knew they would in a WC QF. They have had a good long while to examine irelands play had major intensity in theirs. It would be hard not to see them in the final now.
Porter never scrummed straight in the whole game, he was always boring in…..he deserved the penalties against him.
You are spot on
Think mainly the scrum penalties against ireland was because the prop was angling in or whatever, One barnes call that pissed me off was the ABs jackal in the ruck I think savea or someone got the ball but was a penalty for ireland because Whitelock was on the ground or something. Was in the leadup to the penalty try.
@@SWJ-xp6ld all blacks always lay around the ruck effecting the clear out. They also were crowding in the line outs their jumpers were falling past the ireland line. They were offside a lot too. But it came down to Johnny Sexton ineffective game management and lack of kicking.
@@ryder1757 Lol your just another clueless irish fan. Irelands rush defence is offside just about every ruck, gibson park loves to pass forward every short ball he does, irish players off their feet hands on the ball, pulling up the ref on things can go both ways, Irelands league style attacks have become predictable, hence why NZ showed ireland the sideline many times because they backed themselves to shut it down.
If it wasnt this game, ireland would have run out of gas. The two week break at the begining didnt do ireland favours. And sexton being banned was probably one of the reasons why ireland had to play close to the strongest teams for all games.
Ireland have been great for a long time, but the arrogance of late has been a little much. The disrespect from the fans during the Haka probably stoked the fire from the All Blacks even more. The Kiwis won't hold grudges though, they've got bigger fish to fry..
Get a life, disrespect the haka! So we should all bow down and listen in silence, the haka is arrogance personified.
Might be a good idea nxt time to just pretend your not disrespecting the Haka cuz it makes kiwi's in black shirts and shorts realllllll antsy aye, to Irelands credit they bought their 'A' game and played fantastically well, could have gone either way, but dont blame the Haka, like it or not thats our culture, get over it.
What bull from Williams again. They didn’t run out of gas. They ran out of ideas, ref breaks and luck. If it wasn’t for J.Barrett, they’d have won. Thinnest of margins. Could have gone either way and the ABs are an excellent/ great team.
@@JJSouthPset piece wasn't good against sa either. Maybe just maybe Ireland weren't as good as you all had us believe
Ireland are were the All Blacks were in 2007, they were hot favorites and went out - it broke them to the point they had to go away and rebuild themselves and then they wont to RWC's back to back. I hope Ireland do the same, no one deserves to win, but they did deserve the opportunity. Ireland will be back better than ever - Love the Irish such great competitors but history isn't on their side, but it will be someday and hopefully in four years time. The AB's learnt no one care what you do in-between the RWC's, you can win every game - its what you do one the day that counts.
Exactly. Ireland coasting on their no1 status and record leading into the WC. Seems to show a lack of depth if they did so little rotation if you ask me. Then again, France rotated and look what just happened to them. Seems Ireland and France were just beaten by the better teams - can't wait for Clive Woodward's lame excuses!
Oh What CRAP!
35+ Phases in Attack Translate in to "Throwing in Everything but the Kitchen Sink" for Ireland.
They Played Awesome however the Kiwis Answered their Attack with an even Better Defence!
Great Game Performed by 2 Great Teams.
so much for the NH blitz of the SH that the NH pundits were going on about - you know wales beating argentina ireland beating abs and france beating the bokke - oops that didnt happen looks like another SH final
Its clear that the gameplane for the ABs was too keep the ball in play as much as possible which was very risky for them at times but it payed off in the last 5 mins where you could see the fatigue in the Irish team. Still could of gone either way though.
With respect, the AB’s try to keep the ball in play against every team. No team can cope with them if the game is fast.
Only one reason…. Ireland could not bring the magic when it really mattered!!!! Pressure is hard. Teams like AZ and the Boks play for a different reason and this lightens pressure of the players.
AZ?... Arizona football all day. 🤜🤛🤣🙃(I know, I know)
i think that figure 8 during the haka was funny when it was there 8th quarter final exit lol
Have a look at the figure 8 Virgin logo on the panel with these jokers. Team Ireland... bought to you by Virgin!
You can sit and debate all day long why etc but both teams went at it hard and at the end of the day it was fine margins. They were playing a team that even if they have not been at their best in the last few year's are more than capable of beating them. The draw was unkind when you look at the top half but that was the way it went.
well said. South Africa are rarely number 1 but have won 3 World cups! Sod the ranking it's about the trophy!
These fools were going about how Ireland will be in the final 😅😅😅
Imagine how tired the all blacks were playing having 2 men in the bin
I feel like in those final phases ireland players were too worried about not want to be the one to messes up by attempting to push too forward?
Kicks actually made this game. If Ireland were not 4 points behind due to a kick and didn't have to go for a try or lose they could've easily set up for a penalty at the death.
They could have still set up for a penalty at the end and were trying, as they would have been able to go for touch and set up for the maul, hence why it was so important for allblacks to keep their discipline
@@myshepspud1 Some fans are bloody dumb, so you assume because he didnt take a kick in the 20th minute that everything after that fact would remain the same in the game lol, if Ireland kicked the penalty instead of lineout, guess what the whole game would of played out differently, NZ might of tried to go wider alot more an scored a couple of more tries.
If kellehers held up try went over and we won the game, everybody would be saying farrell got it right. Super tight margins. Our luck went against us tonight.lenisters defeat to la rochelle probably didnt help the mind set of our leinster players going into this. NZ played insanely well.
I agree. Bit of a mental block for a few of them. It’s deer in the head lights stuff.
Nah. The way the draw fell Andy made the right calls with team selection IMHO.
The 1st match against Romania featured changes but the 2nd match against Tonga warranted a full strength side. At that stage Tonga were potentially a dangerous side plus Ireland were playing world champions SA the following weekend so the team needed time to gel and make sure things were flowing correctly given the Irish performances weren't amazing with a malfunctioning lineout and some moments of sloppy play, but the bench was used and players were taken off and rested.
The 3rd match was SA and obviously that's a full strength game but the bench was used sensibly once more.
The 4th match was against a dangerous looking Scotland side and a potential banana skin for Ireland in which they could actually get knocked out of the tournament if Scotland won by 7 or something. That's obviously not a match to piss about with changes either therefore, and Ireland had a two week break so said players were indeed rested. That Scotland match, while a comfortable win, was a brutally physical looking match so that might have indeed taken its toll on some Irish players physically heading into the NZ match but we all knew this WC draw was bs and insanely tough.
By contrast NZ had their "full strength" big match as their very first pool match against France which they lost, and then had easy rollovers against bad teams there after in which they had the luxury to rest players and study Ireland who had to play their best rugby for about 3 matches in a row before NZ. Those easy wins for NZ could have had a negative effect on NZ btw, but it didn't.
Also, winning is a good psychological thing and keeps momentum and belief and moral high. Had Ireland lost to SA it not only makes the Scotland match a needlessly massive pressure game, but there's also doubts, the run of wins would have been over, all those Ireland failing in works cup talks kick off and that's not ideal heading into the Scottish match.
So no, I'd fully support Andy's selection here. Ireland weren't looking fluid and amazing enough to fap about with wholesale changes and apart from Romania, the other matches were potentially very tough and important encounters plus the team needed time to gel and get their misfiring set-pieces sorted which sadly they never did tbh.
Personally during the NZ match I was surprised that at an early time when Ireland were down 8 or 11 points, Sexton refused to kick 2 penalties for what a reasonably reliable 6 points in favor of an attacking lineout even though the lineout was unreliable. Ireland didn't take scores from either of those efforts. So regardless of what happened, in the end Ireland lost by 4, with 6 points turned down. Even if Ireland had taken 1 of those chances, it's probably in the corner, probably a 5 pointer, 7 at most, so the 6 points instead for kicking both penalties still would have still been better and more reliable option.
Sad to see the few bitter comments referring to the pool draws, refereeing and ‘anti-rugby’.
We all got to see some of the greatest quarter finals in history this weekend! Whilst I feel for the French and Irish supporters, there is no doubt their time will come. Favour this young and fabulously talented French team for greatness in future Tests and Ireland have made history over the past year. Regardless of the agonies and jubilations of this great game, Rugby continues to evolve as one of the greatest sports on the planet. A true test of will, skill, heart and character.
Special shout out to Portugal who embody that spirit with their first WC win. Bring on the next two weeks of The Game…. she never fails to delight!!
Ireland shot their bolt in that win over SA, both physically and emotionally.
And the Scotland game too. Injury scares to Mack Hansen & James Lowe and the James Ryan injury are proof to that sadly.
Against Boks and Ireland they slowed down in the last 20 minutes
if the All Blacks were playing 14 men the whole game they would still win, I am sorry the Irish were not up to the challenge period. It knocks out game, The stress pressure set piece has to be 100%
Ireland was slow to the breakdown, players carrying the ball into contact were often isolated causing turnovers. Longer ruck times slow getting the ball out, the line out was sketchy, game management in not cashing in on their on field man advantage during yellow card sin bins. In the botched Try, Ronan Kelleher hogged the ball not releasing to Conor Murray, then he was held up by Jordie Barrett Ultimately the AB’s played like gods so they deserve their win.
lol look at the irish fans trying to justify a loss, ABS played like gods thats the only reason they won lol, this is currently not a great ABs team, far from it, NZ had 2 sin bins an gave away as many penalties as ireland, ABs attack was pretty average so was alot of the kicking. ABs are on the up, if they played like GODs if would be like 2012 60-0.
Hang on. New Zealand was up thirteen nil in the first part of the game. That was not due to Ireland fatigue.
That was because the ABs were better.
We had a war with South Africa no players injured battered Scotland ended up with 4 players carring knocks so to say the Scotland wasnt an energy sabbing game is wrong . There was 3 player barly trained this week so it mightnt have been as energy sapping as the Boks game but it had away more of an effect on the squad .
The biggest lesson you guys need to learn is that being the #1 team heading in to a WC means diddly squat. The ABs learnt that after years and years of being #1 and losing the cup. As Fozzy said, you don't need to peak 12 months ago, you need to peak in the playoffs. You guys peaked too soon and got ahead of yourselves.
I'm not sure who exactly you think was fooled by the rankings. Anyone that knows the sport is acutely aware that the rankings are essentially nonsense, perhaps most of all the Irish. Are you forgetting we went into RWC 2019 as "No. 1 ranked side"? Straight off the back of a few performances that were a far cry from the heady peak of the Joe Schmidt era.
Fast forward to 2023 and this time around we've earned every right to be in the conversation for best team in the world, and I can assure you the least convincing of which was WR's label of "No. 1".
Ireland should have taken the points in the first half.
I don't think Ireland ran out of gas. In closely contested games with evenly matched teams the margins are very tight and the result can go either way. In the game against SA it went Irelands way and in the quarters it went to the opposition in the form of NZ. It's great to see how incredibly close the top four teams are to one another. Let's hope more teams can rise to the same level and make rugby even more competitive.
Look at the last 5min again. Irish backline was gassed.
The AB's playing with only 14 men for 20 minutes had more reason to be out of gas!@@cobusbrits2
If Ireland won. They'd have kept their best team again for the semi and then for the final... They'd have been wiped out in the final.
Maybe, we can only speculate.@@bertrand727
nah they were gassed at the breakdown where the all blacks were hammering them the entire game,
Ireland weren’t flat they were outclassed! When the AB’s had the ball u expected something to happen! When Ireland had the ball u expected foul play to help them get the result! AB’s were pure class
Hindsight is great after the game is over 😂
Other teams don't rotate players out to give them rest in the rwc pool matches unless they are returning from injury. It is to make sure that the replacement players aren't totally undercooked or overawed in case a main player is injured. This world cup has only been 5 games long so far and included a bye week, so there should be no 'rest' issues for any team.
This is probably the single difference between Erasmus and most of the other teams... Not saying that will guarantee SA a win, but Erasmus and team moved heaven and earth to align schedules, make sure theres a balance between national games and games overseas, and rest time... If you watch their documentary, they talked so much about schedules and this is why!
Again...not saying this will guarantee the Boks the win, but its just interesting to see what it *really* takes to develop a deep sqaud!
This is how far Ireland have come. Gutted to lose to the All Blacks. If they had taken one or two chances they would have one. I'm a Welshman. Big rugby fan and I can say with honesty that I'm more gutted for Ireland than Wales today. Wales had not a huge expectation this world cup. But Ireland did and they played outstanding rugby. This game was a flip of a coin and tonight it flipped Black. Ireland for me are still the best in the world, you have talent coming through and the next four years you have the talent and template for success. Ireland are in a very healthy place and that gutted feeling can turn into gold if you react in the correct way. Good luck boys for the next 4 years.
Thank you. I was really impressed with Wales up until the final game to be fair, really dogged defense and Zammit really does have X factor on the wing. I think you have found great young captain in the form of Jac Morgan. That guy is a warrior.
Huh so whos to say NZ couldnt of also taken other chances an pushed the score out more.
Think we should have rested key players but hindsight a great thing. Ďont think we ran out of steam,we finished game strong. Credit to kiwis their defence and game managment was excellent. Credit to new zealand. We just came up short in a tremendous game.
Player rotation is not hindsight. It's an obvious tactic that NZ and SA have been doing for a while
Okay apart from the excellent, intelligent views points and objective analysis from the panel of pundits, here is something worth looking at on What Fabien Galthie said before the France v SA quarter final - game regarding SA's selection choices. - 'SA are world champions because they have a very sharp, well thought tactical approach. They always come up with a strategy, a very well thought plan in relation to their opponents. It never by chance that they line up a team.
They’ve been watching us (France) for two weeks now. I think they know us very well. Their decision to field a rather unusual line-up with a few changes and their choice of a 5-3 formation is well-founded, tactical, strategic and well thought. IT’S A GAME OF CHESS. Preparing for these matches is a level of strategy taken to the extreme'. Then Galthie says …. ‘Its perfect’ To me that means he enjoys and is very comfortable in this strategic environment. Is there any lessons in his words for the Ireland Head Coach or other Ireland coaches to take moving forward. I wonder?
Something rather ironic is that if you watch the Ardie try in slow motion you can clearly see it's a forward psss by 1 meter or so...
Ball is passed a meter before the line and arrives in Ardies hands just after.
Have a look for yourself
Frankly we are owed that one....
Cheers Barnes
Shane is the man well done but these other 2 muppets are saying that they are tired lol these guys get conditioned to play. Also saying Ireland lost more than the all blacks won lol you were put under pressure done see ya in 4 years.
Interesting topic. I said a few weeks ago that it was impossible for Ireland win win the RWC based on them having to beat the winning streak record by 2 extra games. 20 in a row. The last part of the 1/4 final when they hammered the AB line. I said THERE'RE OUT ON THEIR FEET... THEY CAN'T SCORE A TRY!!! Fatigue was a real factor but so was a superb AB performance.
Agreed, it was definitely a factor though not thr sole factor.
Ultimately NZ ABs stepped up and took the game dictating the play, Ireland did not. Thats the difference between championship calibre teams.
Thought their fatigue showed at the breakdown where Ireland have previously been dominant over the All Blacks. O’Mahony and vdF in particular didn’t have their normal impact and they paid the price.
Yea but you can only play how the other team lets you as well, Ireland had the better of attacking stats in this game, alot was down to the last 10minutes think they had like 300 odd passes but stats only tell so much as defense is also a massive stat, for example 2/3 tests in NZ 2022, NZ had the better of the stats in 2nd /3rd tests but still lost the games, the second test they had a red on 30th minute an 2 yellows an lost by like 10 but defence is just as important. There was a super rugby final between crusaders an brumbies who were at their best early 2000s, brumbies had like 80 or more percent of the ball an all terr, crusaders just made tackle after tackle an won the final, I think irelands attack has become quite one dimensional, with that league wrap around play an stuff though.
Ireland did not perform to their best when it mattered and thats all there is to it. A bit like Leinsters season. They needed to peak yesterday and they didn't. They started slow like they did against South Africa and they were lucky to win against SA. A great team but not good enough when it mattered. Untill they beat ABs in a WC knockout game and get to semis then the team will have this mental block about truely being no.1
Because the other team didnt let them perform at their best? sort of how it goes.
& that's the truth.....N Hemi teams can't keep up with the pace......the french were breaching through the ear holes by the 69min hardluck to both teams tho fantastic footie.......
You'll never win a final unless you're in it. Keep dreaming and making excuses. They weren't good enough period.
Easily the best Rugby talk back Ive listened to at this WC - take a bow lads terrific stuff - you know your stuff - wow - I need to shut my mouth - I couldnt turn away it was that good and Ive been put in my place
I like this Ireland made enough mistakes to lose and enough plays to win - NZ hit them hard - this was a targeted must win game not their SA warm up and not really France - when the comp is so close you have to pick and choose and you know its not like Ireland didnt know what was coming down the pipe - they did themselves no favours beating NZ in a series last year - but they had to do it First - they had to lay a foundation a marker and what a slab of granite that is - now look ahead - there will be another team on its way better prepared they dont have to win the series its done focus on the WC on whats important for the nation and players - all the talk is advancing beyond the quarters - dont think about winning the semi or the Final just get out of the quarters - thats the goal post ❤ Love and hugs to Ireland
What I feel is Ireland didn’t have the depth to rotate players, after all this is a World Cup you can’t take chances
SA/Scotland/NZ back to back to back was a harder draw and required full effort for every match. Their forwards were hurt and out of gas. Ruck speed was much slower than the last few years.
I still can't say I'm satisfied with the absence of TMO in the QFs and 2 NZ tries from forward passes...
good to see some intelligent commentary :)
We had 20 minutes against 14 men and we didnt punish them, thats it ,best of luck to NZ,
This former Scotland coach is very annoying on these panels and he often contradicts himself -just now he was telling us how unbeatable Ireland are. Ireland are a great team but met a better one on the day.Ireland and Sexton in particular looked out on their feet coz of the game ABs brought. Bok fan
It's hilarious how he always refers to Ireland as "we"
Ah, he's been here for 20 years, he's one of our own at this stage; and he offers a bit of colour to the commentary. No banter just listening to talking heads all parroting the same party line.
How hard is it to just say "Ireland played extremely well, they just didn´t quite manage to win"? Seriously, there was Jordie Barrett´s thigh between Ireland and victory. That´s it. Be proud of the performance, proud of the team and forget the armchair excuses. Remember that NZ couldn´t win a World Cup for over 20 years, between 1987 and 2011, despite being consistently the best between tournaments. Tiocfaidh ár lá. 💚✊🍀
Be proud of losing? Shameful
How jordies thigh didnt happen at the end of the game though, if they scored that, then ABs had like 10minutes to get one back, why do absolute morons think if something changes in the game like a held up try to a try that everything after that fact will continue to stay the same, probably the same idiots that think a forward pass is about the Ball.
I think a lot of people don’t understand the attack lines that Andy incorporated into this Irish team. They consistently ran the rugby league route that can tire out your team quite fast. You do that for 80+ mins and you’re destroyed physically and mentally. Then when Ireland had to revert back to running with the forwards etc. everyone was exhausted… they could barely keep themselves tight and just run the ball.
The ABs composure and defence took them to the end and got them the win.
Ireland’s problem is Leinster kept losing home semi’s. Makes it more difficult psychologically for them to have gone all the way.
Shaggy pointing out that everyone got game time to this point proves the rotation issue wrong
Finishing with 37+ phases shows fitness wasn’t an issue. The massive thing we’ve improved is fitness and skills
The minutes in the boots didn’t cost us. The pre match oressure that they couldn’t get away from may have cost them a few hours sleep night before the game, at the end of the day this is now a huge rock on our backs. Until it’s gone that is extra pressure. We needed a massive start and it took us too long to get going.
Liathroidi to spare in that team. Fought until the end. The issue is between our ears not anywhere else
But the finish of the game shows there was gas in the tank
Did you see the players? They were out on their feet in that last passage! Some were walking into contact. Beirn took a pass and stood still and tried to fend stationary and went to ground. They were absolutely stuffed. The ABs were tired as well but they had the gas to basically get 2 turnovers in that last passage even though they didn't give one to ardie
18 is the max wins on the bounce. Ireland were planning to win the RWC by winning 20. The program needs rethinking . Plan your matches to win RWC at 17 or fewer. You may win a quarter final. Ask Connor O'Shea why he wouldn't coach Ireland ?
I was very concerned with playing top players every game, however I don't think it was physical fatigue, and if Ireland had got an early lead against NZ, they would have clicked into gear, instead, two penalties, a try, scrum penalties going against them, all of a sudden the mental and physical resolve comes into play. Massive effort to get back into it and really did enough to nick it at the end.
I know where Ireland lost this game. I was at the 1999 ABs loss to Australia. A one try each smasing by Australia 28 to 7. The biģgest hiding the ABs had ever recieved in history at that time. France in this world cup gave the ABs their biggest hiding in all the previous world cups in a 2 try each smashing. Do the sums from that. It's not hard. Ireland should have kicked the goals instead of being over confident that they were would try their way through to victory. Yes they did get a try from this method but inevitably rugby is about points on the board and get them ss easily as possible. Well done ABs, thank you for showing why you should never be discounted...
Plus sexton missed an easy one later in the game
exactly. too much arrogance by Ireland and Sexton
If our depth was supposed to be stronger why did Farrell play essentially the same 15 bar one or two changes for the whole tournament?? Most of the team struggled in second half and ran out of gas and idea's, in my opinion I really doubt Farrell had any trust in our back-up, especially at 10, and cannot understand why Rob herring didn't play, he's fitter than kelleher and should have played. Maybe the last 10 minutes would have been different with him, he did it for us in Wellington and again against England in grand slam in March, Farrell is a great coach but again like 8 previous world cups we failed when it mattered most 😳
Imho, there was not any discernable difference in "FORM" in this game. So the point is moot for this game.
But certainly that question of resting and freshness comes into play in the SF and F (as England found out last WC and SA were fresher in the final).
In this game? I just think it was Fine Margins:
1. Closer to win if the ball was not held up in that try chance
2. Sexton missed a penalty oddly so the drop-goal was off the table with their 38 phase drive.
3. NZ produced world-class tries out of nothing or else forward fast momentum and exceptional handling for 2 of their tries which is what it took to get points against Ireland's solid defence.
4. NZ looked well prepped to counter Ireland's style especially the break-down avoiding penalties and defending. Which other team could have been as well prepared? I doubt any other team could have focused so well like that specifically to unlock Ireland ie Boks would play as Boks always do and France are mercurial: Depends which French team turns up on the day.
5. Ireland kicked to the corners and probably did not convert enough points from those strategic plays: That was influential. Perhaps credit to NZ defence on those eg Line-Out steals and general defence.
What you can say: Ireland in this WC are one of NZ, France or SA who ALL could have lifted the Webb Ellis Trophy depending on variables and fine margins. Going out now just means they hit one of those teams early in the draw and little else with probably better chance to win against France or SA than NZ is my guess.
One of the best matches I've seen for quality rugby and drama and total 80mins of both teams could pull this one out of the bag. Well done Ireland in everywhere. On the other hand it's been a lot of pain and experimentation for the ABs over last few years to work out positions and patterns and personal and it's finally paid off eg Jordie Barret, Boden Barrett, Mo'unga providing power, pace and skill and all three able to kick in the same team has not mean a formula ABs immediately discovered but that's immense talent and tactical options in those 3 alone across the backs. It took a special combo like that for the ABs to have a chance given Ireland has some incredible backs combinations too eg kicking options and length and power and speed. Sexton's passing was phenomenal for skill for example. If ABs had not worked out how to use those 3 they'd have lost for example to contrast another fine margin in the making.
Were too slow with the ball, not enough pace to cause trouble, couldnt find the space whereas as soon as NZ got the ball they moved fast and looked more dangerous. Unlucky near the end not to.ground the ball
Thats why NZ defended like they did, they were compacted in the backs an inviting Ireland to go wide, ireland got a couple of breaks but mostly scrambled an shutdown, lowes not the quicket neither is hansen, not sure they would defend that way if say kolbe SA was on the wing.
@@SWJ-xp6ld Nz had their tactics right.
Did everything right, we messed up on line outs , dropping balls, poor scrum.
Ireland are not able for tournaments pure and simple, thought farell might change that. The lack of speed didnt help us either.
I did feel if pollard was playing against SA wed not have won
@@jorian2212 Each game is different really, small margins, defence won that game for NZ, they were not flash in attack either, stayed tight, didnt really go wide like they usually would, oh well done an dusted now, England might surprise everyone since they have been poor an take the cup.
Sexton was blown and cost them the game ....
Ireland were played full stop.
Did you watch the game, the Ireland were going full on in a full on battle right until the end.
They thought they were better than they are. Enjoy the flight home boys ✌
Maybe some humility by the Kiwis tonight? Now you know what it’s like to get screwed by poor reffing.
The All Blacks rested two players for 10mins each during the game to keep them fresh ;)
Matty Williams never did anything in coaching and is the ultimate Captain Hindsight.
The Best vs The Greatest
The 2nd greatest
@@Richiv77no one is ahead of the all blacks historically 😂😂 they’re absolutely clear
Running out of gas now wasnt running out before this game it was No1 team , 14 man team if you cant beat that oh well bad luck lol, AB's amazing young Prop & Cane the new Mccaw lol
Wow. all the focus on how ireland lost this game. NZ won it. They were tactically better with their kicking, won the lineout, and scrum. They were down to 14 for 20 mins and held a 37 phase period in the end. They deserved this win and were better on the day.
That Tonga team turned up for the boks
New Zealand and probably South Africa are the only teams still to this day, can win games with our 2nd and 3rd teams. Use don’t have the depth, let’s be honest. The bench, from yesterday game, had no impact. Where’s the bench for the ABs made an impact. Your 2nd stringers are still far behind. Hence why sexton carried on with his career🤷🏽♂️
It was a good game but it looked like Ireland did not play their game as in the previous games. Sexton was flat-footed and stood still when he passed the ball, not getting his backline on the front foot as in the previous games.
Furlong looked tired 100%. Beirne, Doris & JVDF were solid and physical at times but were definitely showing fatigue at certain stages. Sheehan obviously wasn’t back to full fitness as his lineout throwing just wasn’t there. Hansen clearly wasn’t 100% with his calf strain. James Lowe had a very bad eye injury from last week. I feel like they could’ve freshened up the squad a little bit. Bealham probably could’ve come in for Furlong. McCarthy & Conan looked so fresh and physical when they came on. Conan in particular. I have to say he carried like a ferocious mad man. He should’ve started ahead of Doris. Kelleher was also brilliant when he came on. And Jimmy O’Brien should’ve started ahead of Hansen as he was also brilliant when he came on. Aki, Ringrose & Lowe in particular were phenomenal in this tournament on so many levels. James Ryan & Robbie Henshaw we’re also massive losses in this game.
The majority of this starting Irish 15 have played a huge amount of rugby in the last 12 months if you factor in all the 6 nations games, URC, Champions cup games against huge physical teams, pre season friendly internationals and then all the pool stage. They played 7 games on the trot in the last 2 months and only changed 3 or 4 personnel where as South Africa, New Zealand, France changed their teams up significantly. Those teams have the luxury of doing so but I just feel like Ireland should’ve brought in Bealham, Kelleher, Conan, O’Brien and maybe McCarthy for this New Zealand game.
If Ireland start fast and get some points early they would have been energised, could have been NZ looking for a try at the death, it was nerves and falling behind loaded up the stress.
Ireland can hold their heads high & im sure one day they will become a top 4 team!
Doubtful, it's not so easy buying foreigners any more.
Surely they realise that right up until the scotland game they still werent guarantees finalists hence having to play their better players. Even Tonga they had to ensure the got a substantial amount of points for points differential. Its just how it was. Also people were saying ireland were better prepared because they were battle hardened and the all blacks were underdone. Make your minds up. At the end of the day these games are won on the finest of margins and that qf was fortunately new zealands day.