@michaelray5023 ummm, not exactly. They got the book thrown at them. They stole a little over a million in tools and material. Maybe the punisher skull is a bad influence.
In the 90s we saw SEALs in action (training). They were physically fit, for sure, but tactically, they were not impressive at all. Our guys had to cease fire at a range in Virginia, because a SEAL team was coming in via helo. They touched down, jumped out, sprayed at our targets, got back on the bird and took off. Our guys went to check the targets....the SEALs hit nothing. Another time, one of our teams got to do VBSS training with them. SEALs went first, fell off the fast ropes onto the deck of the ship, landed like turtles on their backs. Then they failed to neutralize a lot of RP "bad guys" in ship compartments, because they were just running through the ship like maniacs and not being thorough. Marines were finding "enemies" hiding behind doors and desks that the SEALs just ran by, and announced rooms as "clear." Not impressed.
If Jocko is claiming he gave up suppressed weapons and never got them back from a dead Marine, then its because Jocko's unit lost those items and he is angling for someone to blame who can't refute the claim.
It's very odd to put forth that information, because it feels like a set-up to deflect blame for some killings he knows his guys did with suppressed weapons.
Only people who will believe that angle are the people who are going to deny it all the way to the end..all the dudes who's workouts need molk and they've bought too many shirts
@LRRPFco52 yeah it is, but he knows giving government-issued MP5s to "some marines" is punishable and will require an investigation. So admitting it on his platform...... is either a show of force, because of 2 things. Either his guys smoked civilians with them or when whoever he gave them too.... smoked civilians. Who knows
Multi-tour Iraq War Army Veteran here. It was early on that zero signs of “invasion” or “domination” were to be tolerated in our formations in 2003. The iconic Humvee with the U.S. Flag draped over the engine was target No. 1. Guys, no more of this, we are here to assist Iraq by ousting bad guys, etc., etc. We are not hostile, take-over, domination forces, etc., etc. Later, late in 2003 and into 2004, the IED became a weapon of the bad guys. In an effort to confuse the bad guys, higher command insisted that all vehicle “door art” or unit crest or unit markings were removed from our vehicles. Sure, unit bumper numbers remained, but all the Tiger Mouth, Skulls, skeleton hands holding playing cards, gunner’s chicken plate art, funny pictures, “WW2 fuselage art” was covered up. We were all in green or tan vehicles. No stencils of anything. We did this so that no one Army, Marine Corps or Air Force Transportation unit could be targeted with prejudice or bias, we made ourselves common to each other. Then a unit showed up with outrageous stencils. Cool and cute at first. America “F Yeah,” and then we learned rules from the highest commands did not apply to these guys. They didn’t come in easy, they came in “look at me,” “look at us” we’re different, we’re bad @$$, we’re renegade. The Strykers came in before them and they were SUPER DIFFERENT but they were developmental, and extensively well funded, well-trained and well-disciplined. They were “Active Duty Army” all the way. They wore gee-whiz helmets, body armor, pouches, uniforms and they all had gee-whiz weapons too, down to the Private level. Very impressive. Stryker Brigades. New stuff. But these Humvee “SF” or “commando” guys were on an entirely different level, and they were immediately greeted with the recognition as “cowboys” doing their own thing. I had no idea who they were, they weren’t Army, they weren’t coalition and they were probably just contractors. By 2004 there were a lot of funky outfits (private organizations) rolling along in all kinds of rigs, doing all kinds of stuff. We didn’t talk to them, they didn’t talk to us. We just kept our distance. If Cowboy units were in the area, we just let them pass by, and after a while we observed they liked to get into a higher than average percentage of contact (shootings) with whoever. Again, not our business and not our concern. Seeing some of these cowboy units was like going back in time, they wore bandannas but no helmets, machine guns on Humvees but no humvee doors (mandatory for Army guys). Beards and baseball caps and very specialized, non-uniform weapons, like each guy was rocking his own version of gear, unique to that dude. Further to the South, there were multi nation coalition ops going on and we routinely rolled into many interesting, coalition partner forces, we took pictures with all of them. We smiled, shook hands, took pictures and joked and laughed with all of them. But when the cowboys in the humvees showed up, we didn’t share the same camaraderie. There was no mystery to what they were, they just seemed like US Government funded or equipped pirates. Somebody approved their appearance and I guess they had a chip on their shoulder to be better, or different, or more unique, or more creative, or more macho, or more Rambo, or whatever. They just “Desert Rat’ed” their way around the area, 3-4 Ranger-like, high speed humvees we’d never seen before (M-1114’s I found out later). I’m glad we never did any missions together, I got the slimy feeling they would endanger us and now that I have found out who they were, l think to myself, “No wonder? That was these guys and they were imbedded in this area with [these] units doing that thing.” Now it makes sense. I could go into greater detail here, but it’s not for a TH-cam comment. Thanks for the video sir.
@@John-mf6ky they in fact, did not like that attitude. Blackwater acted just like the early gwot seals did. We saw them blow through our cops and roll past our fobs. The soldier is right, they got into a lot of shit outside the green zone. Considering BW had no air power, it’s incredible so few of them bought it. The seals had all the air assets they could want stacked up on the horizon, and still took an alarming number of casualties. There is a reason the US changed tactics with regards to SOP shortly after defeating the initial wave insurgents.
this marine is a real combat vet. He had to go out in field & house to house. The Marines carried a huge amount of load in Afghanistan. USMC has always had the best NCOs. I say that as an army airborne vet myself.
I have heard people from other branches that say that Marine Infantry is second to none. The consensus is that whatever Marines do, it’s nothing but excellence. Thanks for your service.
Exactly. I was on active duty in the Marines from '85 - '90 and, NO, no skulls or anything other than an Eagle Glibe and Anchor will be on a Marines uniform....EVER!
Why would these Marines make this stuff up. I tend to believe them because other than their revulsion to seeing war crimes what dog do they have in that fight? Special Operations forces, on the other hand, are great and well-trained but they do tend to breed a cowboy mentality among the operators which we see a lot of both online and in the ever expanding realm of Special Operations literature for the masses. I liked all of them better when they were a bit more modest. And this hero worship of Chris Kyle is a bit nauseating. Like that Marine boot who stood at attention saluting for the entire length of American Sniper. Jesus. What a tool. Why do we worship snipers anyway?
If anybody knows anything about how the seals operated in country, they would know that they all hot dog everything they do, which is why they end up in the situations of being in “oh fuck” moments. They don’t know dick about basic infantry movements and it always shows. Stick to the water frogs.
brotherhood is a good thing, but unquestioningly and blindly following someone you never knew is questionable at best... being a marine does not mean a man has no negative traits. on a side note - bad optics to reinforce the image that marines are dim witted hulks that are brainwashed into blindly doing anything they are told without any ability to think for themselves
Those confirmed kia's from Chris Kyle were Super High! Kinda makes you wonder 🤔 And the way his life was cut short in the same exact fashion also makes you wonder about the spiritual realm 🤔
Iirc one of the first videos on this channel talking about this whole thing the former navy seal (I forget his name off the top of my head) had said that Kyle was really trying to inflate his kill count, hence shooting civilians.
@@John-mf6ky I heard that for the first time about seven years ago, and the person that reported was mauled online for talking about a "war hero SEAL."
I like this channel but unless you can double source verify with people who were witnesses to this and not just rumors. This argument will keep flying overhead
You don’t have to put a finger on anything - theres evidence. The original video with the seal whistleblower explains he was the one that disrespected the marines when confronted.
I remember a history channel special called “The Warfighters”. The first episode is on Task Unit Bruiser and Marc Lee, Jocko, Lief, that Italian guy who was the platoon chief and a younger enlisted man were on it talking about their “experiences”. Lief basically lied his ass off saying they cooperated well with the Army and Marine partners they had and Jocko when talking about Marc’s death seemed like he was trying so hard to shed a tear and couldn’t do it. They’re emotionless sociopaths with no remorse for their actions!
Before a person makes a judgment about another person they should hear their side of the story, because there are ALWAYS two sides to a story. With that being said, after listening to this go listen to Jocko Podcast episode number 434.5, then you will be able to make a fair assessment.
This is wild there is gonna be a shit storm of epic proportions that will come out of all of this info from the other Seals story to these Devil Dogs I was naval aircrew and this doesn’t look good
I don’t know what happened because I wasn’t there. Why is it against the code to raise the questions if there is even a little evidence? The fanboys are coming out in force. I hope the fanboys can provide some evidence of participation in combat such as a dd214. Mine will blow your minds….
It was hard enough to avoid confliction when you would report your hide sight. Sometimes the specialist tank gunner wouldn’t get the memo. I almost went to the afterlife, on a situation like this. With a reported location.
this may be true but maybe get some eyewitness accounts and not this he said she said bullshit if trying to ruin people's careers... from all accounts this sounds like total disgruntled bullshit and i listen and love your podcast but in general without actual evidence you should avoid this
The point of brushing something under the rug is to erase actual evidence. First hand accounts become the first step in revealing corrupted information.
80+ Marines and soldiers were killed in Ramadi in 2006. Apparently Jocko is guilty for getting 36 Marines killed, So my question is, who's guilty for getting the the remaining Marines and soldiers killed?
The political representatives and the everyday Joe who says thank you for your service. While that service member vet has to wait 4 months for an eye exam...Hey guys, ceasefire with the rebuttal narrative. If you truly want to help the next generation of war fighters. Start advocating for compulsory military service and speak the truth to the words looser and sucker. Words used by President Trump in a statement when referring to US military personnel. Let there be no misunderstanding. I'm an America first nationalist politically voting retired military. The last 40 years of USA war deaths were for nothing a total shit show of wasted lives. Use your platforms to advocate that all Americans should have a dog in the fight. We, as American patriotic citizens enlisting in the volunteer military, were loosers because this shining option is based on our public educational system. Now we served as winners, and some of us were blessed to exit alive as winners. Suckers are we, the people serving and believing in the task and purpose for these wars were true and patriotic. It was all lies and a uni-party scam. No USA military personnel should have been required to do what was asked of you guys. Think about it all of us as boomers need to admit to how we were suckered you guys and I must make this confession now for us to find away forward and we do this by putting our energy in exposing the lies of the political leaders and representatives that put you and others lives at risk, causing death and destruction for nothing. It will never stop. It will continue until a national debate is had, and compulsory military service will do this. The USA will not vote its way out of this shit show. It will take action short of a civil war or a coup. A military coup by way of compulsory military service will be the less damaging way to go!
The Navy Seals think they’re really Greek gods of war that don’t have to answer to anyone. Gods don’t answer to anyone. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
No jealousy. It's just that the SEAL's are overrated psychopaths who make many more problems than they solve. Cowboy is the nicest thing I can say about them and it's an insult to real cowboys.
No it’s because this coverup needs to be clarified and justified. If he committed war crimes leading to the death of civilians and Marines, then it needs to be rectified. When evidence is erased and tampered with, then first hand accounts is the first step to revealing the truth. I wouldn’t put it past Jacko to do this. The fact that he is roaming around with a stupid punisher skull on his gear already tells us that the s is not a professional. That’s the kind you f thing you would expect from a high school kid or a civilian tactical wannabe playing warrior. He is supposed to be a SEAL for Christ sake.
I'm speaking only for myself but in the last month or so a lot of information has come out and the typical reaction of a lot of people on the interwebs is an overeaction , fanboys of a person or unit immediately take sides, its just too early to do that. I really hope some of the things ive heard recently aren't true, we'll see. What don't know what's going on behind the scenes, is it true ,is it personal grievances, is it false, it probably lands somewhere in the middle. You don't even have to be military to understand that war is an imperfect chaotic bloody mess. I think most people can agree at this point Kyle was a lying piece of crap, for the rest of the people being talked about recently we need more information and that may take awhile, so just try and be a little patient before automatically talking sides , condemning or exornorating someone. Just my two cents 🇺🇸..
So you’re crying about not being able to customize your kit and that they got to do things you couldn’t. We need to stop this BS. This constant bashing of fellow vets and units is asinine.
So what f his actions got Marines and civilians killed he should get a pass? Thats the most ignorant thing I’ve heard. If he did these things he needs to be brought to justice.
Jocko talked about this already, they were under a microscope the whole time. They operated within ROE and had brass approve most every op. Not to mention ramadi was the most dangerous place at the time of the war. Apparently, it's all documented
Why is it that when anyone criticizes or offers counterpoints to someone in the public eye, there have to be lazy pseudointellectuals using the "jealous" argument as if it's anything remotely constructive? Think Channing Tatum is a shit actor? You're just jealous you aren't him. Think Taylor Swift is overrated? You're just jealous you can't be with her. Think service members in the public might not be 100% wholesome and free of criticism? Must be jealous. Literally, the world is not black and white. There is nuance enough for everyone alive, and no one is free from criticism. They say not to meet your heroes in real life for a reason. That reason being that you'll be let down that the real person isn't the conflation you've created in your head based on their public image.
@@Aaron-ej9qlIt's a bit suspicious that any veteran who has become successful has nasty rumors about their service pop up. Dakota Meyer, Marcus Lattrell, Jocko, Rob O'Neill, David Goggins, Chris Kyle, etc. So either America's military is primarily psychopaths or maybe when a veteran who loads trucks for a living sees a veteran who gets rich, they want to take them down a peg. Leftoid journalists have gone through that war with a fine toothed comb looking for scandal. That's how they win a Pulitzer. If they haven't gone after Jocko in 18 years, its because he's clean.
I have spent the last few days doing EXTENSIVE research on these guys claims and have found that THEY ARE LYING. Green beret chronicles - shame on you for not doing thorough research , but instead putting a bunch of jealous clowns on for clicks and views.👎🏾
Jocko addressed all of this! Yall still talking him huh? You realize that unless you, or the people they have on are going to do something about it you just need to shut up. Either bring charges, or just shut up. By doing this, and NOTHING happeninh it makes your whole channel come off WEAL AF!
hes a coward who build a brand on EXTREME ownership and yet, refuses to admit his own wrongdoing, refuses to admit hes on steroids. just a two faced coward.
@documentthedrama8279 STFU baby girl. If there was any paperwork proving it, or anyone did anything about it then it would be different. STFU put your dumb feelings back in your purse, and you'll be ok.
Much respect to the channel and i won't stop watching because of these recent posts, thought I am not enthused about them. I was all over CENTCOM myself (DOD and contracts) and saw some dumb shit occur occassionally, but I don't know what is being accomplished by airing dirty GWOT laundry. I talked to a guy who was a pilot in WW2 some years ago who "was there" for some of the hero moments that occurred and the heros of real life never measured up to what they were hyped to be. He wrote a book called the 13th mission. I was also "there" for some situations where awards were handed out in GWOT and what happened on paper wasn't necessarily what happened in real life. Those situations boosted some guys' careers and they have done some good things for the world with those creds. I think this is a normal thing, though i am not condoning it. Our society needs heroes now more than ever. No man is perfect and no man lives up to his and others' expectstions. If our community eats itself, a lot of people will sucredo. One man's take. Keep up the good work here though.
Because one of the biggest problems in society is people's perception that organization like the military, police, etc, always cover the flaws, have no accountability, and become propaganda machines all while hiding the dark sides and holding bad actors accountable. Just hailing people as heroes in order to save face for your organization and covering up misdeeds will only further errode trust. Light should be shined on shitty behaviors and there should be accountability, just as much as praising the good actions of public servants. If you hide the bad sides, protect the bad actors with lies, and only show your organization as wholly good, then you've become literal propaganda.
The point of airing dirty laundry is to make sure bad shit doesn't happen again. But seeing as you are a dirtbag yourself you wouldn't understand that.
Seems like a lot of negativity. I have watched some Jocko content.. always very positive. I am not trying to put anyone down when I say this, but seems like you all need to move on and do something constructive with your lives. take all that awesome experience and do good with it.
@@peterferguson8058you're clearly a meat rider. Not hard to ascertain from your posts. You seem to think Jocko is some truth teller because of his "positivity" lol my God.
He’s right he uses 5 dollar words like myriad I love this guy already 😅 Spirit de corp I think is what bruiser was going for to be devils advocate. As I said before greatness and the aspiration to be great without great purpose always ends in tragedy. Most the time the culprits don’t even see themselves or what’s going on. I would look past that like he did. Again this guy hats off Integrity No one’s jealous of money or success of jocko. I think new recruits should enlist and just understand he’s a unique case you should want to serve and serve silently Hell if that was my goal I would be rolling in it But God has grander plans for me than to become a slave to paper and sale all of real value for the worth of money My world and it’s worth exist with in intentions and the heart of others This guy I know it took a lot I appreciate you setting the example and hopefully silencing the minds of the immature and juvenile Because in their heads success only means “dolla dolla bills y’all” and it’s not if your soul is in check
@@timothycummins2700 Ahh punctuation and grammar god I see Oh my bad “Ahem” I am sorry, that when I type. I type as if I am speaking. To me, in the act of expressing one’s self. I find the imperfections; and lack thereof, pandering to the sacrificial god’s of grammar. Via my time, and effort to be the only honest one. Honesty is the only policy. So I conduct myself accordingly. Thank you good fine sir! I bid you adieu!
At this point it doesn't matter, if thier marine force recon or whatever. It just shows yea any unit has gotten f**ked by Jocko and his trigger happy clowns giving good seals a bad name and other military folks are getting harmed and or f**ked
The punisher skull logos cracks me up. Our B Co maintenance section also rocked the punisher skull on all their stuff. Super edgy mechanics.
That stupid skull… It’s the kind of thing you would expect from high school kids or civilian tactical wannabes putting on their truck.
HAHAHAHA
That shits is cheesy. I hated seeing units with this on their vehicles
Did they get a book deal at least??
@michaelray5023 ummm, not exactly. They got the book thrown at them. They stole a little over a million in tools and material. Maybe the punisher skull is a bad influence.
In the 90s we saw SEALs in action (training). They were physically fit, for sure, but tactically, they were not impressive at all.
Our guys had to cease fire at a range in Virginia, because a SEAL team was coming in via helo. They touched down, jumped out, sprayed at our targets, got back on the bird and took off. Our guys went to check the targets....the SEALs hit nothing.
Another time, one of our teams got to do VBSS training with them. SEALs went first, fell off the fast ropes onto the deck of the ship, landed like turtles on their backs. Then they failed to neutralize a lot of RP "bad guys" in ship compartments, because they were just running through the ship like maniacs and not being thorough. Marines were finding "enemies" hiding behind doors and desks that the SEALs just ran by, and announced rooms as "clear."
Not impressed.
If Jocko is claiming he gave up suppressed weapons and never got them back from a dead Marine, then its because Jocko's unit lost those items and he is angling for someone to blame who can't refute the claim.
It's very odd to put forth that information, because it feels like a set-up to deflect blame for some killings he knows his guys did with suppressed weapons.
Only people who will believe that angle are the people who are going to deny it all the way to the end..all the dudes who's workouts need molk and they've bought too many shirts
@LRRPFco52 Yeah he might be nervous this is gaining traction and that might come up
@@bestjobieverhad9584 It's suspect because nobody else brought it up.
@LRRPFco52 yeah it is, but he knows giving government-issued MP5s to "some marines" is punishable and will require an investigation. So admitting it on his platform...... is either a show of force, because of 2 things. Either his guys smoked civilians with them or when whoever he gave them too.... smoked civilians. Who knows
Multi-tour Iraq War Army Veteran here. It was early on that zero signs of “invasion” or “domination” were to be tolerated in our formations in 2003. The iconic Humvee with the U.S. Flag draped over the engine was target No. 1. Guys, no more of this, we are here to assist Iraq by ousting bad guys, etc., etc. We are not hostile, take-over, domination forces, etc., etc.
Later, late in 2003 and into 2004, the IED became a weapon of the bad guys. In an effort to confuse the bad guys, higher command insisted that all vehicle “door art” or unit crest or unit markings were removed from our vehicles. Sure, unit bumper numbers remained, but all the Tiger Mouth, Skulls, skeleton hands holding playing cards, gunner’s chicken plate art, funny pictures, “WW2 fuselage art” was covered up. We were all in green or tan vehicles. No stencils of anything. We did this so that no one Army, Marine Corps or Air Force Transportation unit could be targeted with prejudice or bias, we made ourselves common to each other.
Then a unit showed up with outrageous stencils. Cool and cute at first. America “F Yeah,” and then we learned rules from the highest commands did not apply to these guys. They didn’t come in easy, they came in “look at me,” “look at us” we’re different, we’re bad @$$, we’re renegade.
The Strykers came in before them and they were SUPER DIFFERENT but they were developmental, and extensively well funded, well-trained and well-disciplined. They were “Active Duty Army” all the way. They wore gee-whiz helmets, body armor, pouches, uniforms and they all had gee-whiz weapons too, down to the Private level. Very impressive. Stryker Brigades. New stuff.
But these Humvee “SF” or “commando” guys were on an entirely different level, and they were immediately greeted with the recognition as “cowboys” doing their own thing. I had no idea who they were, they weren’t Army, they weren’t coalition and they were probably just contractors. By 2004 there were a lot of funky outfits (private organizations) rolling along in all kinds of rigs, doing all kinds of stuff. We didn’t talk to them, they didn’t talk to us. We just kept our distance.
If Cowboy units were in the area, we just let them pass by, and after a while we observed they liked to get into a higher than average percentage of contact (shootings) with whoever. Again, not our business and not our concern.
Seeing some of these cowboy units was like going back in time, they wore bandannas but no helmets, machine guns on Humvees but no humvee doors (mandatory for Army guys). Beards and baseball caps and very specialized, non-uniform weapons, like each guy was rocking his own version of gear, unique to that dude.
Further to the South, there were multi nation coalition ops going on and we routinely rolled into many interesting, coalition partner forces, we took pictures with all of them. We smiled, shook hands, took pictures and joked and laughed with all of them.
But when the cowboys in the humvees showed up, we didn’t share the same camaraderie. There was no mystery to what they were, they just seemed like US Government funded or equipped pirates. Somebody approved their appearance and I guess they had a chip on their shoulder to be better, or different, or more unique, or more creative, or more macho, or more Rambo, or whatever. They just “Desert Rat’ed” their way around the area, 3-4 Ranger-like, high speed humvees we’d never seen before (M-1114’s I found out later).
I’m glad we never did any missions together, I got the slimy feeling they would endanger us and now that I have found out who they were, l think to myself, “No wonder? That was these guys and they were imbedded in this area with [these] units doing that thing.”
Now it makes sense. I could go into greater detail here, but it’s not for a TH-cam comment.
Thanks for the video sir.
Interesting, that cowboy attitude doesn't seem like it would go over too well with a lot of locals.
@@John-mf6ky they in fact, did not like that attitude. Blackwater acted just like the early gwot seals did. We saw them blow through our cops and roll past our fobs. The soldier is right, they got into a lot of shit outside the green zone. Considering BW had no air power, it’s incredible so few of them bought it. The seals had all the air assets they could want stacked up on the horizon, and still took an alarming number of casualties. There is a reason the US changed tactics with regards to SOP shortly after defeating the initial wave insurgents.
The guys in the Strykers might have been Army Rangers. They were known to use Strykers in Iraq.
No. Stryker Brigade Combat Teams were attached to the Marines Army and airforce
Thank you for giving a clear general account on what was REALLY goin on during that time.
this marine is a real combat vet. He had to go out in field & house to house. The Marines carried a huge amount of load in Afghanistan. USMC has always had the best NCOs. I say that as an army airborne vet myself.
I have heard people from other branches that say that Marine Infantry is second to none. The consensus is that whatever Marines do, it’s nothing but excellence. Thanks for your service.
Exactly. I was on active duty in the Marines from '85 - '90 and, NO, no skulls or anything other than an Eagle Glibe and Anchor will be on a Marines uniform....EVER!
With each passing week, the hole Jocko is in, gets deeper and deeper.
Think it’s funny that this podcast on TH-cam channel keep getting people that are nobody’s to make false claims and accusations against people
I really hope people watch this channel. They got to confront these clowns.
Is there a full version of this video on TH-cam? *EDIT* Found it, thanks everyone. God bless America.
th-cam.com/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
The full video is posted on the channel.
Yes, previously posted today.
Why would these Marines make this stuff up. I tend to believe them because other than their revulsion to seeing war crimes what dog do they have in that fight? Special Operations forces, on the other hand, are great and well-trained but they do tend to breed a cowboy mentality among the operators which we see a lot of both online and in the ever expanding realm of Special Operations literature for the masses.
I liked all of them better when they were a bit more modest. And this hero worship of Chris Kyle is a bit nauseating. Like that Marine boot who stood at attention saluting for the entire length of American Sniper. Jesus. What a tool. Why do we worship snipers anyway?
If anybody knows anything about how the seals operated in country, they would know that they all hot dog everything they do, which is why they end up in the situations of being in “oh fuck” moments. They don’t know dick about basic infantry movements and it always shows. Stick to the water frogs.
As a former marine I’ll always trust leatherneck’s word
How does that work out when you've also got Marines backing what Jocko says?
brotherhood is a good thing, but unquestioningly and blindly following someone you never knew is questionable at best...
being a marine does not mean a man has no negative traits.
on a side note - bad optics to reinforce the image that marines are dim witted hulks that are brainwashed into blindly doing anything they are told without any ability to think for themselves
Those confirmed kia's from Chris Kyle were Super High! Kinda makes you wonder 🤔 And the way his life was cut short in the same exact fashion also makes you wonder about the spiritual realm 🤔
You live by the sword then you die by the sword
Iirc one of the first videos on this channel talking about this whole thing the former navy seal (I forget his name off the top of my head) had said that Kyle was really trying to inflate his kill count, hence shooting civilians.
@@John-mf6kyyep, it was on NICKY MGTV. He did a 2 documentaries on it.
@@John-mf6ky I heard that for the first time about seven years ago, and the person that reported was mauled online for talking about a "war hero SEAL."
I’ve thought about that too.
I like this channel but unless you can double source verify with people who were witnesses to this and not just rumors. This argument will keep flying overhead
They even said they saw nothing with their own eyes! The accusations are nonsense!
I just have a bad feeling about Lief Babbin too. Can’t put my finger on it, but the guy seems sketchy.
You don’t have to put a finger on anything - theres evidence. The original video with the seal whistleblower explains he was the one that disrespected the marines when confronted.
I remember a history channel special called “The Warfighters”. The first episode is on Task Unit Bruiser and Marc Lee, Jocko, Lief, that Italian guy who was the platoon chief and a younger enlisted man were on it talking about their “experiences”. Lief basically lied his ass off saying they cooperated well with the Army and Marine partners they had and Jocko when talking about Marc’s death seemed like he was trying so hard to shed a tear and couldn’t do it. They’re emotionless sociopaths with no remorse for their actions!
had a bad feeling about him when I knew he came from the Naval Academy
“SeAlS aRe AmErIcAn HeRoEs”
Before a person makes a judgment about another person they should hear their side of the story, because there are ALWAYS two sides to a story.
With that being said, after listening to this go listen to Jocko Podcast episode number 434.5, then you will be able to make a fair assessment.
Fully agree but the Kris kyle lies are well known...just stupid lies also..that guy was a strait sociopath..
Bad Calls, just like Vietnam
This is the service I thank you for.
This is wild there is gonna be a shit storm of epic proportions that will come out of all of this info from the other Seals story to these Devil Dogs I was naval aircrew and this doesn’t look good
Vietnam has been the tone for Afghanistan and Task Force Bruiser
I don’t know what happened because I wasn’t there. Why is it against the code to raise the questions if there is even a little evidence? The fanboys are coming out in force. I hope the fanboys can provide some evidence of participation in combat such as a dd214. Mine will blow your minds….
Had it not been for the United States Navy Seals going to Vietnam on bad luck, 6 would not be..
It was hard enough to avoid confliction when you would report your hide sight. Sometimes the specialist tank gunner wouldn’t get the memo. I almost went to the afterlife, on a situation like this. With a reported location.
NAVAL SPECIAL BOOKFARE....
this may be true but maybe get some eyewitness accounts and not this he said she said bullshit if trying to ruin people's careers...
from all accounts this sounds like total disgruntled bullshit and i listen and love your podcast but in general without actual evidence you should avoid this
The point of brushing something under the rug is to erase actual evidence. First hand accounts become the first step in revealing corrupted information.
Jocks getting flamed hard as of current , is it all real ?
80+ Marines and soldiers were killed in Ramadi in 2006. Apparently Jocko is guilty for getting 36 Marines killed, So my question is, who's guilty for getting the the remaining Marines and soldiers killed?
Our government.
Should of never been over there. Our government blew up the twin towers on 9/11.
Bush Junior.
The political representatives and the everyday Joe who says thank you for your service. While that service member vet has to wait 4 months for an eye exam...Hey guys, ceasefire with the rebuttal narrative. If you truly want to help the next generation of war fighters. Start advocating for compulsory military service and speak the truth to the words looser and sucker. Words used by President Trump in a statement when referring to US military personnel. Let there be no misunderstanding. I'm an America first nationalist politically voting retired military. The last 40 years of USA war deaths were for nothing a total shit show of wasted lives. Use your platforms to advocate that all Americans should have a dog in the fight. We, as American patriotic citizens enlisting in the volunteer military, were loosers because this shining option is based on our public educational system. Now we served as winners, and some of us were blessed to exit alive as winners. Suckers are we, the people serving and believing in the task and purpose for these wars were true and patriotic. It was all lies and a uni-party scam. No USA military personnel should have been required to do what was asked of you guys. Think about it all of us as boomers need to admit to how we were suckered you guys and I must make this confession now for us to find away forward and we do this by putting our energy in exposing the lies of the political leaders and representatives that put you and others lives at risk, causing death and destruction for nothing. It will never stop. It will continue until a national debate is had, and compulsory military service will do this. The USA will not vote its way out of this shit show. It will take action short of a civil war or a coup. A military coup by way of compulsory military service will be the less damaging way to go!
George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfield, ETC
Semper Fi
Respect, Simper fidelis brothers and sisters.
This is a witch hunt
The Navy Seals think they’re really Greek gods of war that don’t have to answer to anyone. Gods don’t answer to anyone. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Why u guys going so hard to throw dirt on jockos name? Iv never heard him throw anyons under the bus is it jealousy?
No jealousy. It's just that the SEAL's are overrated psychopaths who make many more problems than they solve. Cowboy is the nicest thing I can say about them and it's an insult to real cowboys.
No it’s because this coverup needs to be clarified and justified. If he committed war crimes leading to the death of civilians and Marines, then it needs to be rectified. When evidence is erased and tampered with, then first hand accounts is the first step to revealing the truth. I wouldn’t put it past Jacko to do this. The fact that he is roaming around with a stupid punisher skull on his gear already tells us that the s is not a professional. That’s the kind you f thing you would expect from a high school kid or a civilian tactical wannabe playing warrior. He is supposed to be a SEAL for Christ sake.
wait a minute whats wrong with the punisher logo for the punisher. i wear it@jjs3890
Wow 3rd Bn/8th Mar My days were on Camp Geiger K3/8 then W3/8 then BAS Happy to see that emblem
There were special operations
groups that wore there own insigna on there body armor.
My understanding is that TU Bruiser was providing overwatch for the Marines, and that they were working together to clear the city.
Thank you for speaking out about this.
I'm speaking only for myself but in the last month or so a lot of information has come out and the typical reaction of a lot of people on the interwebs is an overeaction , fanboys of a person or unit immediately take sides, its just too early to do that. I really hope some of the things ive heard recently aren't true, we'll see. What don't know what's going on behind the scenes, is it true ,is it personal grievances, is it false, it probably lands somewhere in the middle. You don't even have to be military to understand that war is an imperfect chaotic bloody mess. I think most people can agree at this point Kyle was a lying piece of crap, for the rest of the people being talked about recently we need more information and that may take awhile, so just try and be a little patient before automatically talking sides , condemning or exornorating someone. Just my two cents 🇺🇸..
Truth always comes out
Kilo huh! 3/8L 🤙
So you’re crying about not being able to customize your kit and that they got to do things you couldn’t. We need to stop this BS. This constant bashing of fellow vets and units is asinine.
Shower
You need to slow your roll.
So cringe
Snitches get stitches.
Being morally corrupt just makes you look weak ... there wouldn't be any need to "snitch" if civilians hadnt been murderd.
Sure, the SEALs are just like the mafia. We knew that already.
Snitches end up in ditches
So what f his actions got Marines and civilians killed he should get a pass? Thats the most ignorant thing I’ve heard. If he did these things he needs to be brought to justice.
caution
Clown ... heard from a guy that heard from a guy. Rumors and hear say isn't facts .. what's wrong with you people?
Are you serious lol
What?! .....Look at the punisher story. That's all you need to know about jocko Wink's leadership skills ....
Find a new daddy, Jocko ain't it
Yes, I can't believe all of the trash talk on these channels.
Jocko talked about this already, they were under a microscope the whole time. They operated within ROE and had brass approve most every op. Not to mention ramadi was the most dangerous place at the time of the war. Apparently, it's all documented
Sounds like a few guys just upset with jock envy.
Why is it that when anyone criticizes or offers counterpoints to someone in the public eye, there have to be lazy pseudointellectuals using the "jealous" argument as if it's anything remotely constructive?
Think Channing Tatum is a shit actor? You're just jealous you aren't him.
Think Taylor Swift is overrated? You're just jealous you can't be with her.
Think service members in the public might not be 100% wholesome and free of criticism? Must be jealous.
Literally, the world is not black and white. There is nuance enough for everyone alive, and no one is free from criticism. They say not to meet your heroes in real life for a reason. That reason being that you'll be let down that the real person isn't the conflation you've created in your head based on their public image.
@@Aaron-ej9qlthink Chris Brown is a piece of shit for beating women? Must be jealousy!
@@Aaron-ej9qlIt's a bit suspicious that any veteran who has become successful has nasty rumors about their service pop up. Dakota Meyer, Marcus Lattrell, Jocko, Rob O'Neill, David Goggins, Chris Kyle, etc. So either America's military is primarily psychopaths or maybe when a veteran who loads trucks for a living sees a veteran who gets rich, they want to take them down a peg. Leftoid journalists have gone through that war with a fine toothed comb looking for scandal. That's how they win a Pulitzer. If they haven't gone after Jocko in 18 years, its because he's clean.
@@Aaron-ej9ql excellent comment that gets to the heart of the "you're just jealous" bullshit. Mind if I use it in the future?
@@26michaeluk surely
You don’t even care to listen to jocko side. You will get the most clout listening to hearsay accusations
If all of “this” is true. Why did it take almost 20 years for y’all to say something about it?
I have spent the last few days doing EXTENSIVE research on these guys claims and have found that THEY ARE LYING. Green beret chronicles - shame on you for not doing thorough research , but instead putting a bunch of jealous clowns on for clicks and views.👎🏾
Lol please enlighten all of us then on your findings during your EXTENSIVE research...
@@rickrobinson8417 do you have a google search engine on your phone? Use it. You’re welcome 🥃
@@Bravefit Yeah that's what I thought lol....
@@rickrobinson8417 oh you think? 🥃
@@Bravefit Where'd your earlier comment go? You delete it?
Jocko addressed all of this! Yall still talking him huh? You realize that unless you, or the people they have on are going to do something about it you just need to shut up. Either bring charges, or just shut up. By doing this, and NOTHING happeninh it makes your whole channel come off WEAL AF!
hes a coward who build a brand on EXTREME ownership and yet, refuses to admit his own wrongdoing, refuses to admit hes on steroids. just a two faced coward.
@documentthedrama8279 STFU baby girl. If there was any paperwork proving it, or anyone did anything about it then it would be different. STFU put your dumb feelings back in your purse, and you'll be ok.
Much respect to the channel and i won't stop watching because of these recent posts, thought I am not enthused about them.
I was all over CENTCOM myself (DOD and contracts) and saw some dumb shit occur occassionally, but I don't know what is being accomplished by airing dirty GWOT laundry.
I talked to a guy who was a pilot in WW2 some years ago who "was there" for some of the hero moments that occurred and the heros of real life never measured up to what they were hyped to be. He wrote a book called the 13th mission.
I was also "there" for some situations where awards were handed out in GWOT and what happened on paper wasn't necessarily what happened in real life. Those situations boosted some guys' careers and they have done some good things for the world with those creds.
I think this is a normal thing, though i am not condoning it. Our society needs heroes now more than ever. No man is perfect and no man lives up to his and others' expectstions. If our community eats itself, a lot of people will sucredo.
One man's take. Keep up the good work here though.
Because one of the biggest problems in society is people's perception that organization like the military, police, etc, always cover the flaws, have no accountability, and become propaganda machines all while hiding the dark sides and holding bad actors accountable. Just hailing people as heroes in order to save face for your organization and covering up misdeeds will only further errode trust. Light should be shined on shitty behaviors and there should be accountability, just as much as praising the good actions of public servants. If you hide the bad sides, protect the bad actors with lies, and only show your organization as wholly good, then you've become literal propaganda.
@@Aaron-ej9ql this is a good argument.
@@Aaron-ej9ql Well said.
If you haven't noticed, all the government's lies since WWII seem to be coming home to roost. "Just keep lying" isn't a workable plan.
The point of airing dirty laundry is to make sure bad shit doesn't happen again. But seeing as you are a dirtbag yourself you wouldn't understand that.
Seems like a lot of negativity. I have watched some Jocko content.. always very positive. I am not trying to put anyone down when I say this, but seems like you all need to move on and do something constructive with your lives. take all that awesome experience and do good with it.
Telling anyone to just "move on" when they are trying to expose truth and help our future generations who join the military is a stupid idea, sorry.
@@rickrobinson8417 not sure how you know any of this is "Truth". Lol but ok.. cool, and future generations?! Huh?
@@peterferguson8058you're clearly a meat rider. Not hard to ascertain from your posts. You seem to think Jocko is some truth teller because of his "positivity" lol my God.
Hard to move on from murder and success built upon fraud, but ok👍.
@@lancewalker6067 you mean if there was actually murder and fraud? What evidence have you seen sir? What do you know that I don't?
He’s right he uses 5 dollar words like myriad
I love this guy already 😅
Spirit de corp I think is what bruiser was going for to be devils advocate. As I said before greatness and the aspiration to be great without great purpose always ends in tragedy. Most the time the culprits don’t even see themselves or what’s going on.
I would look past that like he did.
Again this guy hats off
Integrity
No one’s jealous of money or success of jocko. I think new recruits should enlist and just understand he’s a unique case you should want to serve and serve silently
Hell if that was my goal I would be rolling in it
But God has grander plans for me than to become a slave to paper and sale all of real value for the worth of money
My world and it’s worth exist with in intentions and the heart of others
This guy I know it took a lot I appreciate you setting the example and hopefully silencing the minds of the immature and juvenile
Because in their heads success only means “dolla dolla bills y’all” and it’s not if your soul is in check
This comment legitimately seems like either you were drunk as hell, or it was written by AI.
@@timothycummins2700
Ahh punctuation and grammar god I see
Oh my bad
“Ahem”
I am sorry, that when I type. I type as if I am speaking. To me, in the act of expressing one’s self. I find the imperfections; and lack thereof, pandering to the sacrificial god’s of grammar. Via my time, and effort to be the only honest one.
Honesty is the only policy. So I conduct myself accordingly.
Thank you good fine sir!
I bid you adieu!
@@timothycummins2700or just an idiot, "myriad" is a common word in the American English lexicon so that's just bizarre.
0311 and 11b are the only MOSs I give a shit about but 0311s take it and 11b help out
Stupid comment
At that level, once your reputation is exposed, it's gonna take a LOT to get that stench off of you.👊🏾🪖🇺🇸✝️
Know a couple of Marines who didn't think much about Seals they trained with.
Were these guys are Force Recon or something like that?
At this point it doesn't matter, if thier marine force recon or whatever. It just shows yea any unit has gotten f**ked by Jocko and his trigger happy clowns giving good seals a bad name and other military folks are getting harmed and or f**ked
No. Marine Infantry Battalions split into Companies who covered down on different areas in the Anbar Province, including Ramadi.