Tithing is not a New Covenant practice. If a person wants to give 10% well then, bless the Lord. But there should never be pressure from the ministry as it’s both deceptive and manipulative. If our Pastor’s have to work like the rest of us, it’s only temporary, and if they believe in the reward afterwards they’ll do it without complaining. That said, God loves a cheerful giver and the Word encourages sacrificial giving.
Perfectly stated. Furthermore, the Old Testament Jews were required to pay multiple tithes every year. In total, the annual tithe would be about 23.5% of total income. The OT tithe was used to subsidize Israel’s priesthood, Temple, government, military, social welfare, etc. We are not living in ancient Israel. We already pay exorbitant taxes to the government. To apply this to the church today is baseless and shows that one does not understand the purpose and concept of Mosaic tithing in the first place. The New Testament does not discuss tithes in relation to the church. Only free will offerings are mentioned.
I totally agree👍 money never existed and less value in the OT. .. God demanded the Israelites to bring the first fruits in the house of the Lord so there would be enough for the Livites, people work in the temple...
I heard a preacher tell the congregation that he was the spiritual Levite and therefore was entitled to the tithe. My question is, what inheritance did we receive that you did not? I believe in giving to my local assembly, but I use Paul's model found in 2 Cor 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver".
I think there's a misunderstanding on how we explained this thing. Every christians believe we need and should be willing to give,but I think to put a percentage on how much we should give is against about the foundation of giving willingly or generously.
If the Law was fulfilled by Jesus and there is no command to continue tithing in the NT then why would you assume we should still tithe that 10%? Nothing else in the gospel is a legalistic prescription but rather a heart matter. As stated in the video- there are multiple references to cheerful giving in the NT- so why not just encourage believers to be cheerful givers? Or are you simply afraid that you won't get your money? If that's the case- have faith in God and continue to work with your congregation in growing!!!! Tithing in modern churches seems to be simply a manner of controlling church members and avoiding living by faith for Gods provisions.
That verse in Malachi is specifically to the Israelites in OT and it was not referred to money... it's food and livestock make sure there's enough food in the house. In the NT should preach to give the best generously and how much God loves us...
You're right and it was also land. But even though tithing came before the law, it became a law. It's too bad that even some of the most prominent pastors and teachers don't even know it. In Hebrews it says the Levites were commanded to take tithes according to the law. Good answer. I hope you're doing well. Even my pastor doesn't acknowledge it. Dr. Bernard is wrong though, on there being no scriptures on giving in the New Testament. 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 I hope you're doing well. God bless.
Yes, Jesus said it's good to pay tithes but remember Jesus' ministry here on Earth was during the Law of Moses' Era, it means HE lived under the Law that's why HE can't refrain the Jews from giving tithes.
I thank Brother Bernard for his answer and I am glad he didn't say what probably most pastors in the UPC would say and that is: "If you don't PAY tithes then you are robbing God, and God will have no thieves in Heaven so basically if you don't pay tithes, you are going to hell."
QUESTION : Can anyone give me Chapter & Verse where the Apostles & the Early Church ever taught Tithing ???? I respect Brother Bernard but he did not give a Scripture Reference where the Apostles & the Early Church taught Tithing. He only gave His Opinion . But Opinion is not The Word of God.
I agree with everything that Brother Bernard stated. I myself pay tithe and offerings, and I admit, some times it is easier to do than at other times. I’m not sure if you watched this video because you feel that the Lord is dealing with you about the subject, or because the subject simply interested you. But the Lord does deal with me about my giving. And like Brother Bernard stated, we simply look to the Old Testament practices of giving as an example/school master. I believe that if the Lord is dealing with you about this topic, however, that you should give heed to what is being said here. What could possibly be wrong with giving 10%, whether it can be found in a verse or not? I do this not only because I have been taught to do so, but also because I feel that it is right. As a matter of fact I wish I could do more. And perhaps maybe one day God will allow me to do so. Simply pray, and ask God for His guidance. And maybe start to practice this teaching, just to see how it feels. Much love and God bless 🙏🏻
Good point we never want to give opinions. It’s important to understand the epistles written in the New Testament were written to address issues. When debates arose about days of worship or diet those things were addressed in scripture because Saints had questions Tithing/Giving was apart of the Faith since Cain & Abel meaning Adam taught them. Implying God taught Adam. There was never a debate about giving so no need for a specific scripture to command it, however Jesus said we should Tithe numerous scriptures in New Testament tell us to give but in 1 Cor 16:2 Paul writes to give “according to how God prospered us”. If you were prospered $1,000 and I $500 what should we lay aside? The only percentage ever mentioned is 10% so no need for apostles to state the obvious just lay it aside. Tithing wasn’t a debate. If Jesus said do it and by most people’s logic that need a specific scripture I would ask “Give me 1 scripture in NT where an apostle said not to tithe after Jesus said we should”. Since we can’t find 1 scripture in the entire Bible telling us tithing would cease after Jesus death we don’t want to give our opinion on not tithing.
1 Cor 9:13 can you explain how those who worked in the temple and at the altar received their living outside of tithes? These are Levites who did not receive an inheritance with the children of Israel and thus God commanded Moses in Numbers 18:21, 24 that they would receive a tithe. Paul then states in 1 Cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel. ESV So, God commanded that the ministers of the New Testament get their living the same way the ministers of the Old Testament did. As Bro Bernard stated towards the end of the video, this is not legalism, the Old Testament teaches us what pleases God, and specifically with regards to giving, what God views as reasonable. Paul told Timothy in 2 Tim 3:16 that all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness. All scripture still means all scripture, it doesn't refer to the New Testament alone.
@@tyler9_10 “even if there’s not a chapter and verse”….if there’s not a chapter and verse requiring something then we don’t do or teach it. Are you serious?
How we need a great rethink in giving to the work of the gospel and world mission.we have the rich west and many many millions of needy Christians in many other nations without,both physically and spiritually. Let God give you the vision of where the need is greatest,this will give real enthusiasm and joy in giving
How about stop cursing people with the Malachi Bible verses , about tiding, Jesus said to the disciples ,I didn’t came to destroy the world I came to save the world ,not to curse them!
Amen. Great teaching. I see many comments online that think and say just the opposite. The Lord loves a cheerful giver and no amount of money in the world can replace the Holy Ghost and the Kingdom.
The answer to the question which most comments have avoided is NO under grace we give as we are able.Their is nothing in the new testament that says we must give a tithe.
I used to think that, even though I am glad to give back to the Lord what is His. Then, one day, I wasn't reading this passage for the tithe at all. Jesus our Lord is talking with the leading Jews. He points out that they are tithing mint, and cumin, etc. Then He says they should not neglect the weightier matters, such as mercy. He says they should do what they are doing, but that mercy is the more important thing. The Lord revealed that. He didn't say stop tithing. He didn't say it was no longer necessary. He just said to give more attention to mercy. Please look it up. It's a very insightful passage. I am not doing it justice since it's not verbatim at all. God bless you, brother!
@@oneofmanyvessels554 But He was under the Law Im sure you have read the other posts. Doesn't this make you stop and think? The Law is Dead, no longer are the Jews bound to the Law let alone His Church. Do you know that Jew today is not required to pay Tithe? Do you understand Tithing? Do you realize that money was not used to pay Tithe? Do you know that Jesus never paid Tithe, nor His Disciples? Why? Because the Law didn't require anyone that wasn't a farmer or a herdsman to pay Tithe, especially not the poor. So you say what about He saying to us?
I love brother Bernard but I think he danced around the topic a bit. Tithing is not for the Church but we care for the ministry by way of offering. Jesus said it was good because it was the law still and He had not died as the testator for the new testament yet. Tithing was to be collected by the tribe of Levi for a specific reason. Our offering amount, as Paul lays out, is measured by our Spirit and conscience. 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 NKJV But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. [7] So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. [8] And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work. Let's remember that Paul labor with his own hands for what he needed and often went hungry or homeless. He never taught that everyone was required to tithe to him or even bring offerings to him so that his ministry could continue. He was certainly grateful of those who did but he never condemned anyone for it. 1 Corinthians 4:8-13 NKJV You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us-and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you! [9] For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. [10] We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! [11] To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. [12] And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; [13] being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now. Also to add, Paul taught that offering isn't just giving to the church but offering can be giving to one another. 2 Corinthians 8:8-15 NKJV I speak not by commandment, but I am testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others. [9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich. [10] And in this I give advice: It is to your advantage not only to be doing what you began and were desiring to do a year ago; [11] but now you also must complete the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to desire it, so there also may be a completion out of what you have. [12] For if there is first a willing mind, it is accepted according to what one has, and not according to what he does not have. [13] For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; [14] but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack-that there may be equality. [15] As it is written, "He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack."
1 Cor 9:13 has no other explanation save that of tithes (Numbers 18:21,24) Paul went on to say in 1 Cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel. ESV So while the word "tithe" is not used, it is definitely what Paul is referring to.
@@jonathanw7520 If Paul was referring to actual tithe items he would only be referring to produce and livestock from within Israel. Also, Paul refuses any of it in 1 Cor 9:15. He couldn't do that if it were a requirement. It's evident Paul was referring to offerings, not biblical, systematic tithes.
Bro. Bernard skirts past the tithes that Abraham paid and the promise to tithe by Jacob “if” God would bless him first. No mention whether Jacob ever paid tithes. As for Abraham, he never paid tithes on his own wealth. He paid tithes on the spoils of war. Once. Preachers are to get some help for preaching the word but not make a living…that would be a hireling … right? Jesus speaking on tithes in Matthew was before the Law of Christ. He kept the law until His death. When He arose, the Old Law was over, replaced by Christ Law written in our hearts.
Forget the concept of a tithe and just give what your heart desires to give .get the concept of any set amount out of your mind.start where you want but no church or pastor should even know what someone gives by their income.
Just give the exact answer from the bible but not your thoughts. Paul said I don't do or even write unto you to do unto us, I rather die than that any man should make my glorying void. I give the gospel without charge.
Ask yourself as a Christian. Why would I pay tithes and not obey all the other laws that jews would follow? Mr Bernard said it himself. He does not see it as a command or a part of legalism but in his opinion we should follow the old ways. Then ask yourself why don't jews pay tithes anymore? That's where you'll find the answer
Jesus Christ never tithed as a jew nor as the founder of the new testament church I follow the Jesus of the bible not the one men preach the Apostle Paul said follow me as I follow Christ did Paul tithe or command us to tithe, no. Did Peter tithe, John the Baptist no.
How do you know that Jesus didn’t tithe? It never says he didn’t do alot of things. Are we to assume that he did or didn’t do those things? it says he was without sin so that covers all of those things. Besides, the Word of God is to be considered as a whole and followed and not disregarded becuase 4 books didn’t mention them. I’ll give you an absurd example. Where in the Gospels does it say that sleeping with your sister is wrong? No where. In fact this is not even mentioned in the New Testament. This was covered in Leviticus as a basis for God’s view of marriage and relationships. And was a foundational moral teaching on the subject that God declared back then. In the New Testamnent, Jesus and the apostoles writers mention just sexual immorality and to flee fornication. But you have to refer back to the Old Testament as a “schoolmaster” to learn what God views as such. This was why you have to take the whole of God’s word and put things in context.
Did you know that money was never titheable. Therefore Giving generously to the ministry absolutely !!!!! Tithing for N T believers....no, never mentioned after the day of pentecost..... let the bible speak for itself.
No pastor, read the 4 books of Malachi, God was adressing the priests that stole from him. Paul's gosple says: give as you can, for God loves a cheerful giver. But please show the versus in the scriptures as you said how we should give. If it is not in the bible then it's man made traditions.
Yes we are to support preachers, I'm a preacher, however I don't get support and yet I have shown proof of my ministry. So many do not invest in the Kingdom of GOD
What if already the church already has several millions on the bank.! And they have all the luxury plains and cars cloths and jewrly? Still we have to give in happiness ?
We have no tithes in the new testament, tithes was in the law of Moses . I believe all things belong to God , christians has to guide by the spirit of God, where to give. and not to those false prosperity preachers to become millioners . We don't have to give 10% to the church, we can pray and the Spirit of God will lead us,where and how to help. Of course there is a need in the church , when it comes, the elders of the church make this known to the church, and then altogether participating to help . Brother David be careful, encouraging tithe in the church
The solution is to have a public church budget and ask people to give towards that budget. The idea of giving 10% all the time is not biblical and too legalistic.
@RJCAM2020 do you know that Melchizedek rejected Abraham’s offer of tribute? He told him to keep the spoils of war and instead asked Abraham for the people whom he captured in the battle.
I am a member of UPCI for 10 years.. Before I agree that Tithing should be mandatory in the church but later this year I disagreed.. Yes you can teach Tithing but if you say that its mandatory then I will go against with it.. But that doesn’t mean that if I disagreed about mandatory of Tithing I will leave UPCI, No, I will still stay in UPCI.. Its just that I do not agree now that its mandatory.. but if you want to follow tithing 10% its up to you..
Also I think Rev. Bernard is misquoting what Paul said in the Book of Corinthians for it says ‘Each one must give according to his hearts desire’ So it depends on the person.. But here in the video I think he said ‘Give generously’ I am looking for that verse word but I cannot find it in the New Testament.. Or maybe you can correct me? Also, I do believe that there is a miracle financial blessings if u do tithing I agree with that because I’ve experienced that But now, I do not believe that its MANDATORY OR OBLIGATORY IN THE CHURCH
Does tithing on the increase mean 10% of what is left over after paying living expenses; mortgage, food, etc? Or, on net income? Since first fruit is mentioned, it would seem the 10% is on one's net income.
I noticed a few errors. Tithing is giving ten percent of our income to God. This is different from sacrificial giving. What Abel and Cael did is not tithing, rather sacrificial giving. Abraham gave his ten percent to Abimelech, not to God. Tithing is a Levitical law. Christians are not obligated to give a specific percentage. They can give 5 percent, 10 percent, 20 percent, or 50 percent of their income.
The concept of the tithe was well established in ancient culture, but it was not toward God. It was men tithing to each other for different reasons. It was also compulsory under the Mosaic Law in order to subsidize the ancient Israelite government and priesthood. In total, their tithes were about 23.5% annually. There were multiple tithes. None of this is mentioned in the NT in relation to the church. However, freewill offerings are.
Many do not understand what (Deut.28:1-14) involves, when it comes to all of those blessings, The Lord promised to Israel. They think that if everyone just paid their tithes, these blessings will follow. That is incorrect doctrine. What do I mean: In verse one, The Lord said "do all His commandments." This wold mean (1) keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath. (2) Paying not just 1st tithe, but also a 2nd tithe, in order to keep THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. (3) Pay a 3rd tithe, every third year, for the ministers, the widows, the fatherless and poor. (4) Not observing pagan holidays: New Years, Valentine's Day, Lent, Easter, Halloween's Day, Christmas and Sunday, etc. The above and more R the clear commandments of The Lord, in order to receive all the blessings in (Deut.28:1-14). That's Y U got to not just read the word of God, but study, believe, and do it.
Good, morning Saints. I taught that U R no longer required to pay that Old Covenant tithes, many R thinking that I am wrong. Let me that ancient Christian leadership tell It to U. "If we still live according to the Jewish law we acknowledge that we have not received grace" [Ignatius to the Magnesians: Ch.8:45]. Furthermore, he wrote, "It's absurd to profess Jesus Christ and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity" [Ignatius to the Magnesians: Ch.10:65]. He concluded by writing, "If anyone preach the Jewish law unto U, listen not to him"[Ignatius to the Philadelphians: Ch.6:43). This Christian leader had written these letters to those churches, and he was a disciple of the Apostle John and ordained a Bishop by John to B over many churches. Later another Christian leader wrote, regarding the law of Moses stated "The law originated with Moses, it terminated with John as a necessary consequence. Christ had come to fulfill it: must have an end of legislation when the NEW COVENANT WAS REVEALED. The administration of the Jews was temporary" [Irenaeus: AGAINST ALL HERESIES, Bk. 4; Ch.4:2]. This man was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. He was ordained a Bishop. All of the above includes the law of tithing. R U understanding, Saints? Even the Apostle Paul considered the law which included paying tithes "dung" (Phil.4:8). The Greek meaning of this word "dung" means "what is thrown to dogs" [STRONG'S (#4657)]. Now U know the truth, Saints.
That was their “money” in those days what do you mean? Obviously we don’t go around trading cows to get gas we use paper which we call money to exchange goods.
Deuteronomy 26:12..When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;...He will never mention this!
These gentile pastors or ministers are not ordained by God to collect tithes and offerings from Jews or gentiles, because they are not from the levitical priesthood tribe. God ordained the tribe of Levi to take tithes and offerings from the children of Israel [Hebrew 7:5] The church is supposed to withstand these pastors or ministers to the face, and tell them, you cannot take tithes and offerings from the church, because you are not from the levitical priesthood tribe. And if the pastor or minister neglects to hear the church, Jesus said, let him be like a heathen man and a publican [Matthew 18:17] If the church is not walking in the truth of the gospel, or if the church is not rightly dividing the word of truth [2 Timothy 2:15], the church is not going to go against the pastor or minister. Paul withstood Peter to the face, because Peter was not walking in the truth of the gospel [Galatians 2:11].
@@fernandogallardo3458You are right the apostles did not teach tithing in the New testament church but believers were taught free will offering/giving.
@@NirmalSingh-lq2ik, give to the poor. God loves a cheerful giver. [ 2 Corinthians 9:7 ]. If a poor brother or sister in Christ, or a poor neighbor comes to you for help, and you have the means to give to them, Jesus said, it is more blessed to give than to receive [ Acts 20:35 ]. And James said, I will show you my faith by my works [ James 2:18 ]. In Matthew chapter 25:31-46, Jesus is going to separate the sheep from the goats. The sheep are going to inherit the kingdom, because Jesus said, when I was hungry, you fed me... when I was thirsty, you gave me water... when I was naked, you clothed me... when I was sick or in jail, you visited me... when I was a stranger, you took me in. The goats are going to the lake of fire, because Jesus said, when I was hungry, you fed me not... when I was thirsty, you gave me no water... when I was naked, you clothed me not... when I was sick or in jail, you visited me not... when I was a stranger, you took me not in.
It should be if you can afford to give go ahead you can't expect homeless to pay tithes in old testament only the rich payed tithes Abraham was a millionaire of his era sorry we are not all millionaire yes there's some who can afford to pay them they make it a hell or heaven issue it should be voluntary not with grudging if we a bless with a business or big inheritance money then why not sure everybody can help God bless those who can and those that cant
Christ did not commend the pharisees for tithing in mint. He called them hypocrites. Secondly, up until christ's death the Jews would have still been under the law as the veil in the temple had not yet been ripped in two. A better comparison would be the church of ephesus vs the church before the death of christ.
So is the answer yes, we as Christians are expected to give a tithe? Or is the principal of tithing a teaching block to show Christians that we should give and 10 percent is not necessary to be exact? You kinda said both.
With all respect, tithing was NEVER money (it was 10% of one's PRODUCE) and it was established EXCLUSIVELY to maintain the Levitical Priesthood - which no longer exists.
@@The-F.R.E.E.-J. respectfully, I was looking for a direct answer from Dr bernard. I just want to know his position and or the position of the UPCI church. My church and every other UPCI church I've gone to have taught tithing as strictly 10 percent of our income (before taxes). On top of that it's always been taught to give extra as an offering for things like missionaries or other national church funds. I know how I feel on the matter, but I really want to here a very specific answer about tithing. Is it a commandment from God to the church members of today to give exactly 10 percent to the church. Yes or no...
Love offering and tithes are both different things. Love offering doesn't require amount, it depends on how much is the happiness of your heart to give. Tithing is specific, tithing is 10% to return in the LORD. It is not giving, it is "returning" what's belong to the LORD.
Tithes should be if you want to it shouldn't be demanded or force most people are on limited income only saints that have good paying jobs can pay tithes I'm not against tithe I've pay tithes when I first got converted they say your robbing God I think god don't need the money the pastor needs the funds
I have a question??. When Jesus commended those who pay tithes with mint and so on in the new testament in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone, was He speaking to the Jews who under the law? About that time Jesus was not yet crucified and He commended paying tithes for those still under the law. However after the cross, you don't hear the Apostles encouraging or commanding believers to Pay tithes.
So you want a place to Worship but do not want to fund the lights and property fixes, program curriculums, ac replacement, audio replacement, we want from God but before i came to God I was Broke, i got blessed with a job, gave tithes, and got even more income, support The Church money can be moth eaten some hold on to it like thats the reason for living, Pastor teaches, God restores us then where like ok i got freed from meth and in the process to go to Heaven by the way God the Job i get paid a lot from because i got clean i cant give you 10 percent from it, some Pastors live humble and give a lot back into the work and start others but people dont see the house calls the hospital calls, the no sleep the battle, but hey im doing good, thats not ok.
Christians in the new testament church were never taught tithing but the apostle Paul taught giving of finances should be done voluntarily and not forced.
Its really good how the production team decided to split up this single interview, and uploaded them as individual videos with very interesting titles. Mr. Bernard is as awesome as usual, answering from scriptural basis and he does his best to separate his answers from tradition.
I think Dr Bernard should not go beyond what's true about fair giving is all about. The starting point of giving is love for God not 10%. Love completes our giving not the amount. I agree that we should teach giving, and support for all the work to build Gods kingdom, but I don't want to use a very legalistic nature of giving. That's why Paul did not use that as a starting point of giving. Paul was very careful of mixing law and grace because he can be accuse of becoming a judizers. So we must be careful too. Maximum and minimum, fairness as what you've mention is not the interpretation of Paul's instructions of giving in the new testament Church. I think you're going beyond. But again i appreciate what Dr. Bernard is doing to defend the doctrine of the new testament church. To God Fairness is not about the status of your pocket its about the status of your heart just like the parisee and the widow in the temple. There 's no such thing as poor or rich in giving, after all God doesn't need our money but our heart. Our heart is always the measurement of true giving, our love for God complete it. I think its not even right to say Give to God, I think the most humble words is to say, Bring it back to God what belongs to Him. When we teach to start it with 10% so until what percent it will be completed? Surely you will not answer it til it reach 100% of course it becomes more a nd more legalistic. You used Cain and Abel as reference of giving but you did not emphasize whats wrong with Cains heart. You mention Abraham but it was not clear if it is a command or cultural giving. Was it a practice of the ancient people to thithes to their gods? According to a study, the ancient mesopotamians, Greece and etc. Are practicing such kind of Giving, and so when Abraham was called by God from Ur that was alreadys Abrahams practice. And I think Abraham's difiniton of thithing might differ from the moment Israel became a nation. I think Israel s thithing is very legalistic and taxation in nature and Abraham s thithing is voluntary in essence. Its just like the first century Christian going to the 3rd century Christian going away from the sound doctrine of God. I think it is Paul that captured the true message of Abrahams giving. Again thank you Ptr Bernard, you're one of the best apologist in our era, I'm so blessed listening to your teachings. Love from the Philippines.
Question I have is: why don’t other ministers in an assembly also receive part of it in order to be fully committed? Almost every pastor I know does not put other ministers on payroll even if able to. Doesn’t Paul speak to this end so ministers don’t wait tables so to speak. Or am I misguided on this? I really would like to know
Wrong, mathew 23:23 the law of Moses was still in force. The new testament is complete. We are under the command of the holy spirit who helps us on how much to give. Christ is the end of the law.
If tithing still is law then the churches that collect the tithe should give the full tithe every third year to the widows, orphans and aliens - you don’t see that happen much do you? Also did you not realise that some of the tithes and sacrifices God gave a portion back to the giver so that they might celebrate with God. Whilst Abraham on one occasion gave a tithe to the King of Salem this did not set a regular principle that Abraham continued to do so each year. Tithes were given at times to Kings to keep peace. How I wish people in churches would teach the full truth.
Correct. Plus back then widows didn't have an income. Many widows today do cause our system is so messed up. Many organs are provided for. What does Matthew 25:35-40 say? Our neighbors in the Third World are still hungry. Do you feed them enough?
The Levi didn't receive land to work, they attended to the needs of the Temple, so the other Tribes gave 10% to sustain them. There is no longer a Temple.! Acts 20:35 “I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.” Jesus didn't say 10%
He’s smarter than that. Christ ministry was under the law. We are under the new covenant Hebrews 9:16-22 KJV For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. The apostle Paul gave the instructions for New Testament giving 2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Abraham tithed of all ( the spoils of war) He left the other 90% with the king of Sodom. Genesis 14:17-24 (KJV) 17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that [were] with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which [is] the king's dale. 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Tithe does not mean “ten% of your income.” Tithe simply means a tenth. The biblical tithe was never money, but agricultural. Christians need to pray and study the biblical tithe. Specifically, WHAT tithes were, WHO was qualified to receive tithe, WHO was obligated to pay tithe, WHERE the tithe can from, WHY tithe was paid, WHEN tithes were paid. New Testament Christians are not obligated to tithe.
Along with Jesus saying to tithe in that specific scripture reference Jesus also told in another passage the leper to present yourself before the priest and offer the sacrifice appropriate to satisfy the law. The question was the reference of the word tithe If it should still be taught in our pulpits today. I do believe 100% that being a believer in this New Testament era giving is A large part of our walk with God. I believe it is not how much you give but how you give it is more of a concern for the Lord in the New Testament church. I give 10% because if it was good for the old testament believers it is good enough for me to practice this today but I try not to put no such burden on my brother or sister today its in. I do not think preachers and pastors should teach tithing but giving because tithing is a specific amount. People always give and invest in what they love and I believe that is the way he wants us to give today from the heart and not a specific amount. I do not recall not even one incidence in the New Testament church including the verse of scripture that was just referenced where it was commanded for believers today to give 10%. Some people can’t even be used within the church if they are not giving a specific amount and that is one reason I think this topic is so valid and should be addressed today.
I would love to be a fly on the wall and watch how much people give to the kingdom who also says tithing was done away with. David Bernard was spot on in everything he said.
Circumcision, the lamb sacrifices and tithing preceded the law of Moses, yet was fulfilled and clearly done away by the Lamb sacrifice. Under the LAW (the old testament covenant) the Pharisees were suppose to tithe. Christ is our tithe just as much as He is our lamb sacrifice. If love is our motive, we will give according to our love. If you read what the old testament saints were to do with their tithe you will find that 1.) they were to go up to the temple and eat it. 2.) they were to directly share it with the poor and strangers, and 3.) they were to give of it to the priests.
Jesus is the end of the law. Rom10.4. Anyway my dear christians brothers and sisters we must follow the teaching of Paul. Paul is our great opostle.amen.
Tithe is giving from our increase. Someone who doesn't have a job and is just receiving allowance as a financial support from family members is that considered an increase, hence, tithed? Would appreciate inputs, please. Thank you and God bless!
When supporting your church financially just do as what the apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthian 9:7. Give as you have purposed in your heart and not let others dictate the terms and conditions.
Tithing was not required from the poor. Tithing was only required by herdsman and farmers, so if you were a carpenter a blacksmith or made jewelry you didn't pay Tithe. Tithe was never money, why is it money today, who changed it to money (that's saying if we still were suppose to)? This should make you want to search for the Scriptural Truth and not mans teaching. There is so much there. But Giving is Scriptural!. Paul speaks of it and wants us to be led by the Spirit to Give. How can one be led by the Spirit when one is commanded/ compelled/necessity (2Cor.9:7)by men to do it? So wrong when men quench the Spirit from moving
@@NirmalSingh-lq2ik I don't give a dime to pastors. It's not Biblical. Jesus and Apostle Paul supported themselves. Pastors can work. What does Matthew 25:35-40 say?
It is Matthew 23:23. He says "These things you ought to have done without neglecting the others." Either way you look at it (which are "these things" and which are "the others"), they both, in this verse, He is telling them, and us, they and we should do.
In Matthew 23:23 Jesus is making a distinction between legalistic ritual and spirituality, placing spiritual matters as more important. He's chastising the Pharisees for their neglect of moral matters. Also, what the Pharisees were tithing was mint, dill, and cumin - not money. There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. Not New Testament, or Old.
Try God , that's my advice , I've been in the apostolic ministry since I was 18 years old , and I've never received a dime from the church except a few meals , I pay my tithes faithfully , I work a full time Job so I don't need to be paid for my labor in the ministry, but my advice is try God and see. If you pay your tithes God will open up the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing . I've seen gas appear in my tank when the low fuel light was on , bills paid when I shouldn't have had enough to pay them , your tithe may not be much but when you give what you have , God will bless , not to mention his sacrifice on calvary , after all he's done for us , why complain about tithes and offering that bless his kingdom
There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. If someone chooses to "tithe", that's fine but today's version of "tithing" has no biblical precedent.
For years, when I paid tithes and gave extra in offering I was tremendously blessed..... when I didn't give generously I suffered financially. Pretty simple in my mind.
Dear Bro. Bernard, thank you so much for the response on my request o having a video podcast for tithing by New Testament believers - very well discussed sir and really on point! God bless your ministry more and looking forward for your upcoming podcasts.
Yes, I'm still a young people, and student and I know that tithing is not written in the new testament. But I believe that giving tithes should be done according to your willing heart, and if you've read Gen 28:22 our father in faith Abraham give his tenth means tithes considering it to God's even that time there's no law. It's because we have receive all these things and so much, to give back what is due to him, and we are glad to do that. Tithes also help the church, in reaching souls, building house of worship, and maybe financial assistance for the Church. 💕
Nowhere in the Bible tells to give money The tithe was always food. Omly time money came in eas when people moved them they sell the food snd buy for others where they are going These preachers tiray hb turned yhe entire tithing subject to take from people under a lie. Yet the people believe. Just like Christmas People know there is mo Santa but teach to their children while lieing
My dad pastored for years. We believe in giving to God, but knowing how others felt his answer to them was give 10% or give nothing and you decide how your blessings flow. Most decided giving was the way to go! My family has been blessed tremendously by giving! If all felt like tithing isn’t biblical…how do the churches pay for utilities, charity, outreach, church supplies etc, if there isn’t any money coming in? Yes, I do know some get greedy and it bothers me that mega money sets in church accounts while there are a lot of needs that could be met. That will be something each individual has to answer for. In the meantime, let God bless us for our heart of giving!
John 3:16 God loves the world , He gave His only begotten Son to the world so that our Sins are forgiven because He loved is first, so we should show our love to the church which Jesus Christ is the head of the church.Give generously and lovingly.
Note that the Lord describes the tithe as His and holy unto Him.Leviticus 27:,30. He also gives the use of the tithes, for the support of the Levites who were the dedicated preachers. Leviticus 18:21. Malachi charged the church in his day of robbery in tithes and offering. Hen e after tithes offerings are required. When it comes to tithing, the rate is given as 10% of the increase. The offering is stated to be as one purposes in his heart. Here is where individuals can vary their giving based on their faith.
Jesus was tortured, nailed to a cross, and died for the sins of humanity so we wouldn't have to go to an eternal lake of fire that was predestined until Jesus made a way, and people are arguing about giving 10% to the Lord? Im not a pastor, but i have a great one who does preach and teach on giving our first fruit to the Lord. What's the big deal? It's unto the Lord. Do you not think God would bless you for giving to the Kingdom? How else will churches be paid off? How else would we expand and build bigger buildings in faith to win our cities? If we're a part of the body of Christ and we have a mission to win souls, a big part of that is to be able to cover expenses financially. My little 10% is nothing in comparison to gaining Heaven, a mansion in Heaven, seeing my family in Heaven, and being with Jesus for eternity.
In Mathew 23:23_ Jesus said, " For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law; justicem mercy and faith. These you ought to have done,'WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE'.__ " WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE"_ means altogether the things: tithung, justice, mercy and faith must be done. Malachi 3:10 is talking to the new testament people. In the Old Testament _"Tithing" is a law. When a person is under the law, God will not say " try Me now in this" but rather God will say _ Obey the law which Moses has given you because they are oblige to obey the law given to them. In the book of Hebrew chapter 7_ Melchisedeck the high priest of Abraham was made like the Son of God who is called Jesus Christ and was made a priest continually in the order of Melchisedeck. He was the 'great man' whom Abraham paid tithes. Melchisedeck receive tithes from Abraham. NOW WHO IS THE ABRAHAM REFERRED TO IN HERE? _ Christians are called by the name Abraham who give tithes to Melchisedeck/Jesus as bonafide holder of God's promises_ because they are counted as seeds of Abraham. Likewise, the twelve tribes_ are called by the name Israel because they are the seed of Israel. In Hebrews 7:1_3 Melchizedek was the " king of righteousness, king of Salem meaning king of peace. Without father, without mother, without genealogy,, HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS NOR END OF LIFE. . . . (. take notice These are the attributes of God. ). . BUT MADE LIKE THE SON OF GOD_ (now the Word became flesh _who is Jesus Christ) REMAINS A PRIEST CONTINUALLY. verse 4_ Now consider how great this MAN was (Jesus _ who gave His life as ransom for our sins for us to have eternal life) even the patriarch Abraham(Christians) gave a tenth of their spoils. SPOILS of Christians_ earnings gained thru fair competition. Remember in the Old Testament_ Abraham did not get even the shoelace of the things of the spoils in winning battle from kings to save Lot.
In Matthew 23:23 Jesus was chastising the Pharisees while acknowledging they were keeping the least of the ceremonial ordinance of tithing which was in effect at that time under Mosaic Law. Notice the specific reference to "mint, dill, and cumin" not money. Only consumable items were accepted as a systematic tithe deliverable. The book of Malachi had nothing to do with money, was directed at the nation of Israel (Malachi 1:1) and the narrative was further narrowed towards the Levtical Priests in (1:6 and 2:1). The tithe indictments in chapter 3 can't be universally applied either historically or currently and are now obsolete under the New Covenant. Abraham (Abram at the time) submitted a one-time honorarium that amounted to 10% of war spoils that he declared he wouldn't accept. There's no biblical evidence this submission was required by God or that Abraham ever "tithed" again. The book of Hebrews is about the passing of the Old Covenant and a change in Priesthood, not a change in tithing ordinances to direct people's earnings to today's version of a "church".
Tithing is not a New Covenant practice. If a person wants to give 10% well then, bless the Lord. But there should never be pressure from the ministry as it’s both deceptive and manipulative. If our Pastor’s have to work like the rest of us, it’s only temporary, and if they believe in the reward afterwards they’ll do it without complaining.
That said, God loves a cheerful giver and the Word encourages sacrificial giving.
Perfectly stated. Furthermore, the Old Testament Jews were required to pay multiple tithes every year. In total, the annual tithe would be about 23.5% of total income. The OT tithe was used to subsidize Israel’s priesthood, Temple, government, military, social welfare, etc. We are not living in ancient Israel. We already pay exorbitant taxes to the government. To apply this to the church today is baseless and shows that one does not understand the purpose and concept of Mosaic tithing in the first place. The New Testament does not discuss tithes in relation to the church. Only free will offerings are mentioned.
I totally agree👍 money never existed and less value in the OT. .. God demanded the Israelites to bring the first fruits in the house of the Lord so there would be enough for the Livites, people work in the temple...
Amen
I heard a preacher tell the congregation that he was the spiritual Levite and therefore was entitled to the tithe. My question is, what inheritance did we receive that you did not? I believe in giving to my local assembly, but I use Paul's model found in 2 Cor 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver".
What about feeding Jesus? Matthew 25:35-40.
Jesus is still hungry in the Third World.
@@endtimesareuponus8930 If it is in your heart, it is great to do so!
Amen yes we are not under the law
It is a different context, it’s about helping “others” but not to the ministry (church or Pastor)
He isn't a spiritual levite
I think there's a misunderstanding on how we explained this thing. Every christians believe we need and should be willing to give,but I think to put a percentage on how much we should give is against about the foundation of giving willingly or generously.
If the Law was fulfilled by Jesus and there is no command to continue tithing in the NT then why would you assume we should still tithe that 10%? Nothing else in the gospel is a legalistic prescription but rather a heart matter. As stated in the video- there are multiple references to cheerful giving in the NT- so why not just encourage believers to be cheerful givers? Or are you simply afraid that you won't get your money? If that's the case- have faith in God and continue to work with your congregation in growing!!!! Tithing in modern churches seems to be simply a manner of controlling church members and avoiding living by faith for Gods provisions.
Well said.
Wow this is the best response.
Amen. You are correct. It is clear except for those who are Brain washed by a denomination.
Amen🤗🙏
AMEN!
That verse in Malachi is specifically to the Israelites in OT and it was not referred to money... it's food and livestock make sure there's enough food in the house. In the NT should preach to give the best generously and how much God loves us...
Amen.
You're right and it was also land. But even though tithing came before the law, it became a law. It's too bad that even some of the most prominent pastors and teachers don't even know it. In Hebrews it says the Levites were commanded to take tithes according to the law. Good answer. I hope you're doing well. Even my pastor doesn't acknowledge it. Dr. Bernard is wrong though, on there being no scriptures on giving in the New Testament. 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 I hope you're doing well. God bless.
@@danieltoman6203 we are living under grace now.
@@samsucceeds2995 yes I know. That exactly what I'm saying. When Jesus died he fulfilled all of the law
There is no more curse. Jesus became the curse. It says he that hangs on a tree has become a curse.
Yes, Jesus said it's good to pay tithes but remember Jesus' ministry here on Earth was during the Law of Moses' Era, it means HE lived under the Law that's why HE can't refrain the Jews from giving tithes.
I thank Brother Bernard for his answer and I am glad he didn't say what probably most pastors in the UPC would say and that is:
"If you don't PAY tithes then you are robbing God, and God will have no thieves in Heaven so basically if you don't pay tithes, you are going to hell."
If TITHING is still for Christians today, under GRACE, then why CHEERFUL GIVING (2 Cor. 9:7) is also preached to the Christians.
QUESTION :
Can anyone give me Chapter & Verse where the Apostles & the Early Church ever taught Tithing
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I respect Brother Bernard but he did not give a Scripture Reference where the Apostles & the Early Church taught Tithing.
He only gave His Opinion .
But Opinion is not The Word of God.
I agree with everything that Brother Bernard stated. I myself pay tithe and offerings, and I admit, some times it is easier to do than at other times. I’m not sure if you watched this video because you feel that the Lord is dealing with you about the subject, or because the subject simply interested you. But the Lord does deal with me about my giving. And like Brother Bernard stated, we simply look to the Old Testament practices of giving as an example/school master. I believe that if the Lord is dealing with you about this topic, however, that you should give heed to what is being said here. What could possibly be wrong with giving 10%, whether it can be found in a verse or not? I do this not only because I have been taught to do so, but also because I feel that it is right. As a matter of fact I wish I could do more. And perhaps maybe one day God will allow me to do so. Simply pray, and ask God for His guidance. And maybe start to practice this teaching, just to see how it feels. Much love and God bless 🙏🏻
Good point we never want to give opinions. It’s important to understand the epistles written in the New Testament were written to address issues. When debates arose about days of worship or diet those things were addressed in scripture because Saints had questions
Tithing/Giving was apart of the Faith since Cain & Abel meaning Adam taught them. Implying God taught Adam. There was never a debate about giving so no need for a specific scripture to command it, however Jesus said we should Tithe numerous scriptures in New Testament tell us to give but in 1 Cor 16:2 Paul writes to give “according to how God prospered us”. If you were prospered $1,000 and I $500 what should we lay aside? The only percentage ever mentioned is 10% so no need for apostles to state the obvious just lay it aside. Tithing wasn’t a debate.
If Jesus said do it and by most people’s logic that need a specific scripture I would ask “Give me 1 scripture in NT where an apostle said not to tithe after Jesus said we should”. Since we can’t find 1 scripture in the entire Bible telling us tithing would cease after Jesus death we don’t want to give our opinion on not tithing.
@@tyler9_10 There is no scriptural reference where the apostles or early church taught tithing.
1 Cor 9:13 can you explain how those who worked in the temple and at the altar received their living outside of tithes? These are Levites who did not receive an inheritance with the children of Israel and thus God commanded Moses in Numbers 18:21, 24 that they would receive a tithe. Paul then states in 1 Cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel. ESV So, God commanded that the ministers of the New Testament get their living the same way the ministers of the Old Testament did.
As Bro Bernard stated towards the end of the video, this is not legalism, the Old Testament teaches us what pleases God, and specifically with regards to giving, what God views as reasonable. Paul told Timothy in 2 Tim 3:16 that all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness. All scripture still means all scripture, it doesn't refer to the New Testament alone.
@@tyler9_10 “even if there’s not a chapter and verse”….if there’s not a chapter and verse requiring something then we don’t do or teach it. Are you serious?
How we need a great rethink in giving to the work of the gospel and world mission.we have the rich west and many many millions of needy Christians in many other nations without,both physically and spiritually.
Let God give you the vision of where the need is greatest,this will give real enthusiasm and joy in giving
Yes I believe the titles offering, we need open our eyes to support the people of God.
How about stop cursing people with the Malachi Bible verses , about tiding, Jesus said to the disciples ,I didn’t came to destroy the world I came to save the world ,not to curse them!
Amen. Great teaching. I see many comments online that think and say just the opposite. The Lord loves a cheerful giver and no amount of money in the world can replace the Holy Ghost and the Kingdom.
The answer to the question which most comments have avoided is NO under grace we give as we are able.Their is nothing in the new testament that says we must give a tithe.
No.
I used to think that, even though I am glad to give back to the Lord what is His. Then, one day, I wasn't reading this passage for the tithe at all. Jesus our Lord is talking with the leading Jews. He points out that they are tithing mint, and cumin, etc. Then He says they should not neglect the weightier matters, such as mercy. He says they should do what they are doing, but that mercy is the more important thing. The Lord revealed that. He didn't say stop tithing. He didn't say it was no longer necessary. He just said to give more attention to mercy. Please look it up. It's a very insightful passage. I am not doing it justice since it's not verbatim at all. God bless you, brother!
@@oneofmanyvessels554 But He was under the Law Im sure you have read the other posts. Doesn't this make you stop and think? The Law is Dead, no longer are the Jews bound to the Law let alone His Church. Do you know that Jew today is not required to pay Tithe? Do you understand Tithing? Do you realize that money was not used to pay Tithe? Do you know that Jesus never paid Tithe, nor His Disciples? Why? Because the Law didn't require anyone that wasn't a farmer or a herdsman to pay Tithe, especially not the poor. So you say what about He saying to us?
I love brother Bernard but I think he danced around the topic a bit. Tithing is not for the Church but we care for the ministry by way of offering. Jesus said it was good because it was the law still and He had not died as the testator for the new testament yet. Tithing was to be collected by the tribe of Levi for a specific reason. Our offering amount, as Paul lays out, is measured by our Spirit and conscience.
2 Corinthians 9:6-8 NKJV
But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. [7] So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. [8] And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
Let's remember that Paul labor with his own hands for what he needed and often went hungry or homeless. He never taught that everyone was required to tithe to him or even bring offerings to him so that his ministry could continue. He was certainly grateful of those who did but he never condemned anyone for it.
1 Corinthians 4:8-13 NKJV
You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us-and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you! [9] For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. [10] We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! [11] To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. [12] And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; [13] being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.
Also to add, Paul taught that offering isn't just giving to the church but offering can be giving to one another.
2 Corinthians 8:8-15 NKJV
I speak not by commandment, but I am testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others. [9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich. [10] And in this I give advice: It is to your advantage not only to be doing what you began and were desiring to do a year ago; [11] but now you also must complete the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to desire it, so there also may be a completion out of what you have. [12] For if there is first a willing mind, it is accepted according to what one has, and not according to what he does not have. [13] For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; [14] but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack-that there may be equality. [15] As it is written, "He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack."
Brother Bernard didn't dance around anything. You're very disresctful of God's anointed.
1 Cor 9:13 has no other explanation save that of tithes (Numbers 18:21,24) Paul went on to say in 1 Cor 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel. ESV So while the word "tithe" is not used, it is definitely what Paul is referring to.
@@jonathanw7520 If Paul was referring to actual tithe items he would only be referring to produce and livestock from within Israel. Also, Paul refuses any of it in 1 Cor 9:15. He couldn't do that if it were a requirement. It's evident Paul was referring to offerings, not biblical, systematic tithes.
Bro. Bernard skirts past the tithes that Abraham paid and the promise to tithe by Jacob “if” God would bless him first. No mention whether Jacob ever paid tithes.
As for Abraham, he never paid tithes on his own wealth. He paid tithes on the spoils of war. Once.
Preachers are to get some help for preaching the word but not make a living…that would be a hireling … right?
Jesus speaking on tithes in Matthew was before the Law of Christ. He kept the law until His death. When He arose, the Old Law was over, replaced by Christ Law written in our hearts.
Forget the concept of a tithe and just give what your heart desires to give .get the concept of any set amount out of your mind.start where you want but no church or pastor should even know what someone gives by their income.
Just give the exact answer from the bible but not your thoughts. Paul said I don't do or even write unto you to do unto us, I rather die than that any man should make my glorying void. I give the gospel without charge.
Being retired is a decrease, unemployment is a decrease, so there is no command tithing...give voluntary, generously ..along with offering..
Ask yourself as a Christian. Why would I pay tithes and not obey all the other laws that jews would follow? Mr Bernard said it himself. He does not see it as a command or a part of legalism but in his opinion we should follow the old ways. Then ask yourself why don't jews pay tithes anymore? That's where you'll find the answer
This guy in Matthew 23:23 we was still under the law so yes they still have had to tithe but Christians its free will giving
Thank you, Bishop, for all the sound teaching we're getting in these podcasts/videos.
Jesus Christ never tithed as a jew nor as the founder of the new testament church I follow the Jesus of the bible not the one men preach the Apostle Paul said follow me as I follow Christ did Paul tithe or command us to tithe, no. Did Peter tithe, John the Baptist no.
How do you know that Jesus didn’t tithe? It never says he didn’t do alot of things. Are we to assume that he did or didn’t do those things? it says he was without sin so that covers all of those things. Besides, the Word of God is to be considered as a whole and followed and not disregarded becuase 4 books didn’t mention them. I’ll give you an absurd example. Where in the Gospels does it say that sleeping with your sister is wrong? No where. In fact this is not even mentioned in the New Testament. This was covered in Leviticus as a basis for God’s view of marriage and relationships. And was a foundational moral teaching on the subject that God declared back then. In the New Testamnent, Jesus and the apostoles writers mention just sexual immorality and to flee fornication. But you have to refer back to the Old Testament as a “schoolmaster” to learn what God views as such. This was why you have to take the whole of God’s word and put things in context.
Did you know that money was never titheable. Therefore Giving generously to the ministry absolutely !!!!! Tithing for N T believers....no, never mentioned after the day of pentecost..... let the bible speak for itself.
I’m surprised at some of the negative comments… most of them Dr dernard answered, go back and take notes carefully
No pastor, read the 4 books of Malachi, God was adressing the priests that stole from him. Paul's gosple says: give as you can, for God loves a cheerful giver. But please show the versus in the scriptures as you said how we should give. If it is not in the bible then it's man made traditions.
Yes we are to support preachers, I'm a preacher, however I don't get support and yet I have shown proof of my ministry. So many do not invest in the Kingdom of GOD
What if already the church already has several millions on the bank.! And they have all the luxury plains and cars cloths and jewrly? Still we have to give in happiness ?
We have no tithes in the new testament, tithes was in the law of Moses . I believe all things belong to God , christians has to guide by the spirit of God, where to give. and not to those false prosperity preachers to become millioners . We don't have to give 10% to the church, we can pray and
the Spirit of God will lead us,where and how to help. Of course there is a need in the church , when it comes, the elders of the church make this
known to the church, and then altogether participating to help . Brother David be careful, encouraging tithe in the church
I was just watching Pastor Myles Munroe on tithing and he said the exact same thing one hundred percent belongs to God. Yhank you for the word.
The solution is to have a public church budget and ask people to give towards that budget. The idea of giving 10% all the time is not biblical and too legalistic.
@RJCAM2020 do you know that Melchizedek rejected Abraham’s offer of tribute? He told him to keep the spoils of war and instead asked Abraham for the people whom he captured in the battle.
Man I like this idea and it’s transparent.
By legalistic you mean?
@@rickyhurtado ----> Where did you read this information. It's not in Hebrews.
I am a member of UPCI for 10 years..
Before I agree that Tithing should be mandatory in the church but later this year I disagreed..
Yes you can teach Tithing but if you say that its mandatory then I will go against with it..
But that doesn’t mean that if I disagreed about mandatory of Tithing I will leave UPCI,
No, I will still stay in UPCI..
Its just that I do not agree now that its mandatory.. but if you want to follow tithing 10% its up to you..
Also I think Rev. Bernard is misquoting what Paul said in the Book of Corinthians for it says
‘Each one must give according to his hearts desire’
So it depends on the person..
But here in the video I think he said
‘Give generously’
I am looking for that verse word but I cannot find it in the New Testament..
Or maybe you can correct me?
Also, I do believe that there is a miracle financial blessings if u do tithing I agree with that because I’ve experienced that
But now, I do not believe that its MANDATORY OR OBLIGATORY IN THE CHURCH
Does tithing on the increase mean 10% of what is left over after paying living expenses; mortgage, food, etc? Or, on net income? Since first fruit is mentioned, it would seem the 10% is on one's net income.
I noticed a few errors. Tithing is giving ten percent of our income to God. This is different from sacrificial giving. What Abel and Cael did is not tithing, rather sacrificial giving. Abraham gave his ten percent to Abimelech, not to God. Tithing is a Levitical law. Christians are not obligated to give a specific percentage. They can give 5 percent, 10 percent, 20 percent, or 50 percent of their income.
Tithing was not under the law. It was 430 years before the law.
The concept of the tithe was well established in ancient culture, but it was not toward God. It was men tithing to each other for different reasons. It was also compulsory under the Mosaic Law in order to subsidize the ancient Israelite government and priesthood. In total, their tithes were about 23.5% annually. There were multiple tithes. None of this is mentioned in the NT in relation to the church. However, freewill offerings are.
I guess most preachers don't know that principle means law. So basically saying he is teaching the law of tithing.
It was a pledge not a command . The Apostles don't teach a 10%tithe, and when JESUS said that to the Pharisees they were under the Law
Many do not understand what (Deut.28:1-14) involves, when it comes to all of those blessings, The Lord promised to Israel. They think that if everyone just paid their tithes, these blessings will follow. That is incorrect doctrine. What do I mean: In verse one, The Lord said "do all His commandments." This wold mean (1) keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath. (2) Paying not just 1st tithe, but also a 2nd tithe, in order to keep THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. (3) Pay a 3rd tithe, every third year, for the ministers, the widows, the fatherless and poor. (4) Not observing pagan holidays: New Years, Valentine's Day, Lent, Easter, Halloween's Day, Christmas and Sunday, etc. The above and more R the clear commandments of The Lord, in order to receive all the blessings in (Deut.28:1-14). That's Y U got to not just read the word of God, but study, believe, and do it.
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Good, morning Saints. I taught that U R no longer required to pay that Old Covenant tithes, many R thinking that I am wrong. Let me that ancient Christian leadership tell It to U. "If we still live according to the Jewish law we acknowledge that we have not received grace" [Ignatius to the Magnesians: Ch.8:45]. Furthermore, he wrote, "It's absurd to profess Jesus Christ and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity" [Ignatius to the Magnesians: Ch.10:65]. He concluded by writing, "If anyone preach the Jewish law unto U, listen not to him"[Ignatius to the Philadelphians: Ch.6:43). This Christian leader had written these letters to those churches, and he was a disciple of the Apostle John and ordained a Bishop by John to B over many churches. Later another Christian leader wrote, regarding the law of Moses stated "The law originated with Moses, it terminated with John as a necessary consequence. Christ had come to fulfill it: must have an end of legislation when the NEW COVENANT WAS REVEALED. The administration of the Jews was temporary" [Irenaeus: AGAINST ALL HERESIES, Bk. 4; Ch.4:2]. This man was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. He was ordained a Bishop. All of the above includes the law of tithing. R U understanding, Saints? Even the Apostle Paul considered the law which included paying tithes "dung" (Phil.4:8). The Greek meaning of this word "dung" means "what is thrown to dogs" [STRONG'S (#4657)]. Now U know the truth, Saints.
If I would give 7 or 8 percent of my income, would it still be "fair" or "good" in the eyes of God?
when did tithe change from crops ,fruits of the land and livestock to money
Right. The answer is never.
That was their “money” in those days what do you mean? Obviously we don’t go around trading cows to get gas we use paper which we call money to exchange goods.
It never did
Deuteronomy 26:12..When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;...He will never mention this!
These gentile pastors or ministers are not ordained by God to collect tithes and offerings from Jews or gentiles, because they are not from the levitical priesthood tribe.
God ordained the tribe of Levi to take tithes and offerings from the children of Israel [Hebrew 7:5]
The church is supposed to withstand these pastors or ministers to the face, and tell them, you cannot take tithes and offerings from the church, because you are not from the levitical priesthood tribe. And if the pastor or minister neglects to hear the church, Jesus said, let him be like a heathen man and a publican [Matthew 18:17]
If the church is not walking in the truth of the gospel, or if the church is not rightly dividing the word of truth [2 Timothy 2:15], the church is not going to go against the pastor or minister.
Paul withstood Peter to the face, because Peter was not walking in the truth of the gospel [Galatians 2:11].
@@fernandogallardo3458You are right the apostles did not teach tithing in the New testament church but believers were taught free will offering/giving.
@@NirmalSingh-lq2ik, give to the poor. God loves a cheerful giver. [ 2 Corinthians 9:7 ].
If a poor brother or sister in Christ, or a poor neighbor comes to you for help, and you have the means to give to them, Jesus said, it is more blessed to give than to receive [ Acts 20:35 ]. And James said, I will show you my faith by my works [ James 2:18 ].
In Matthew chapter 25:31-46, Jesus is going to separate the sheep from the goats.
The sheep are going to inherit the kingdom, because Jesus said, when I was hungry, you fed me... when I was thirsty, you gave me water... when I was naked, you clothed me... when I was sick or in jail, you visited me... when I was a stranger, you took me in.
The goats are going to the lake of fire, because Jesus said, when I was hungry, you fed me not... when I was thirsty, you gave me no water... when I was naked, you clothed me not... when I was sick or in jail, you visited me not... when I was a stranger, you took me not in.
Tithing is not scriptural....Meat in my house...Meat is food!!!
Money is food too hhh can u get your food without money???Remember some scriptures are metaphoric okayyyyyyyyyy???
It should be if you can afford to give go ahead you can't expect homeless to pay tithes in old testament only the rich payed tithes Abraham was a millionaire of his era sorry we are not all millionaire yes there's some who can afford to pay them they make it a hell or heaven issue it should be voluntary not with grudging if we a bless with a business or big inheritance money then why not sure everybody can help God bless those who can and those that cant
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Christ did not commend the pharisees for tithing in mint. He called them hypocrites. Secondly, up until christ's death the Jews would have still been under the law as the veil in the temple had not yet been ripped in two. A better comparison would be the church of ephesus vs the church before the death of christ.
So is the answer yes, we as Christians are expected to give a tithe? Or is the principal of tithing a teaching block to show Christians that we should give and 10 percent is not necessary to be exact? You kinda said both.
With all respect, tithing was NEVER money (it was 10% of one's PRODUCE) and it was established EXCLUSIVELY to maintain the Levitical Priesthood - which no longer exists.
@@The-F.R.E.E.-J. respectfully, I was looking for a direct answer from Dr bernard. I just want to know his position and or the position of the UPCI church. My church and every other UPCI church I've gone to have taught tithing as strictly 10 percent of our income (before taxes). On top of that it's always been taught to give extra as an offering for things like missionaries or other national church funds.
I know how I feel on the matter, but I really want to here a very specific answer about tithing. Is it a commandment from God to the church members of today to give exactly 10 percent to the church. Yes or no...
Love offering and tithes are both different things.
Love offering doesn't require amount, it depends on how much is the happiness of your heart to give.
Tithing is specific, tithing is 10% to return in the LORD.
It is not giving, it is "returning" what's belong to the LORD.
Tithes should be if you want to it shouldn't be demanded or force most people are on limited income only saints that have good paying jobs can pay tithes I'm not against tithe I've pay tithes when I first got converted they say your robbing God I think god don't need the money the pastor needs the funds
In short, no. The tithe commonly taught today is false. We are not to twist God’s words. Christians are not obligated to tithe.
I have a question??. When Jesus commended those who pay tithes with mint and so on in the new testament in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone, was He speaking to the Jews who under the law? About that time Jesus was not yet crucified and He commended paying tithes for those still under the law. However after the cross, you don't hear the Apostles encouraging or commanding believers to Pay tithes.
Yes sir words of God is rightly Divided 2Tim 2. 15 we are not under the law but grace. Today church must follow the doctrin of Paul amen.
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So sorry but I don't agree with brother David K Bernard opinion . He is so far from the true bible teaching of the Tithing .
So you want a place to Worship but do not want to fund the lights and property fixes, program curriculums, ac replacement, audio replacement, we want from God but before i came to God I was Broke, i got blessed with a job, gave tithes, and got even more income, support The Church money can be moth eaten some hold on to it like thats the reason for living, Pastor teaches, God restores us then where like ok i got freed from meth and in the process to go to Heaven by the way God the Job i get paid a lot from because i got clean i cant give you 10 percent from it, some Pastors live humble and give a lot back into the work and start others but people dont see the house calls the hospital calls, the no sleep the battle, but hey im doing good, thats not ok.
Does the Bible teach that the pastor is suppose to get all the tithes paid to the church?
Christians in the new testament church were never taught tithing but the apostle Paul taught giving of finances should be done voluntarily and not forced.
I absolutely agree with you pastor, I also believe that the same principle apply to the Sabbath. IT was from creation, before the Jewish nation.
Its really good how the production team decided to split up this single interview, and uploaded them as individual videos with very interesting titles. Mr. Bernard is as awesome as usual, answering from scriptural basis and he does his best to separate his answers from tradition.
I think Dr Bernard should not go beyond what's true about fair giving is all about. The starting point of giving is love for God not 10%. Love completes our giving not the amount. I agree that we should teach giving, and support for all the work to build Gods kingdom, but I don't want to use a very legalistic nature of giving. That's why Paul did not use that as a starting point of giving. Paul was very careful of mixing law and grace because he can be accuse of becoming a judizers. So we must be careful too. Maximum and minimum, fairness as what you've mention is not the interpretation of Paul's instructions of giving in the new testament Church. I think you're going beyond. But again i appreciate what Dr. Bernard is doing to defend the doctrine of the new testament church. To God Fairness is not about the status of your pocket its about the status of your heart just like the parisee and the widow in the temple. There 's no such thing as poor or rich in giving, after all God doesn't need our money but our heart. Our heart is always the measurement of true giving, our love for God complete it. I think its not even right to say Give to God, I think the most humble words is to say, Bring it back to God what belongs to Him. When we teach to start it with 10% so until what percent it will be completed? Surely you will not answer it til it reach 100% of course it becomes more a nd more legalistic. You used Cain and Abel as reference of giving but you did not emphasize whats wrong with Cains heart. You mention Abraham but it was not clear if it is a command or cultural giving. Was it a practice of the ancient people to thithes to their gods? According to a study, the ancient mesopotamians, Greece and etc. Are practicing such kind of Giving, and so when Abraham was called by God from Ur that was alreadys Abrahams practice. And I think Abraham's difiniton of thithing might differ from the moment Israel became a nation. I think Israel s thithing is very legalistic and taxation in nature and Abraham s thithing is voluntary in essence. Its just like the first century Christian going to the 3rd century Christian going away from the sound doctrine of God. I think it is Paul that captured the true message of Abrahams giving. Again thank you Ptr Bernard, you're one of the best apologist in our era, I'm so blessed listening to your teachings. Love from the Philippines.
Question I have is: why don’t other ministers in an assembly also receive part of it in order to be fully committed? Almost every pastor I know does not put other ministers on payroll even if able to. Doesn’t Paul speak to this end so ministers don’t wait tables so to speak. Or am I misguided on this? I really would like to know
Wrong, mathew 23:23 the law of Moses was still in force. The new testament is complete. We are under the command of the holy spirit who helps us on how much to give. Christ is the end of the law.
If tithing still is law then the churches that collect the tithe should give the full tithe every third year to the widows, orphans and aliens - you don’t see that happen much do you? Also did you not realise that some of the tithes and sacrifices God gave a portion back to the giver so that they might celebrate with God.
Whilst Abraham on one occasion gave a tithe to the King of Salem this did not set a regular principle that Abraham continued to do so each year. Tithes were given at times to Kings to keep peace.
How I wish people in churches would teach the full truth.
Correct.
Plus back then widows didn't have an income.
Many widows today do cause our system is so messed up.
Many organs are provided for.
What does Matthew 25:35-40 say?
Our neighbors in the Third World are still hungry.
Do you feed them enough?
How many Times Did Abraham Tithe?????
The Levi didn't receive land to work, they attended to the needs of the Temple, so the other Tribes gave 10% to sustain them.
There is no longer a Temple.!
Acts 20:35
“I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.”
Jesus didn't say 10%
He’s smarter than that. Christ ministry was under the law. We are under the new covenant
Hebrews 9:16-22 KJV
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
The apostle Paul gave the instructions for New Testament giving
2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Abraham tithed of all ( the spoils of war)
He left the other 90% with the king of Sodom.
Genesis 14:17-24 (KJV) 17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that [were] with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which [is] the king's dale. 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Tithe does not mean “ten% of your income.” Tithe simply means a tenth. The biblical tithe was never money, but agricultural. Christians need to pray and study the biblical tithe. Specifically, WHAT tithes were, WHO was qualified to receive tithe, WHO was obligated to pay tithe, WHERE the tithe can from, WHY tithe was paid, WHEN tithes were paid. New Testament Christians are not obligated to tithe.
My husband and I pay tithe and offerings and God has blessed us. So rather new testament says it or not, we will continue to do so. 😊💕🙏🏽
Along with Jesus saying to tithe in that specific scripture reference Jesus also told in another passage the leper to present yourself before the priest and offer the sacrifice appropriate to satisfy the law. The question was the reference of the word tithe If it should still be taught in our pulpits today. I do believe 100% that being a believer in this New Testament era giving is A large part of our walk with God. I believe it is not how much you give but how you give it is more of a concern for the Lord in the New Testament church. I give 10% because if it was good for the old testament believers it is good enough for me to practice this today but I try not to put no such burden on my brother or sister today its in. I do not think preachers and pastors should teach tithing but giving because tithing is a specific amount. People always give and invest in what they love and I believe that is the way he wants us to give today from the heart and not a specific amount. I do not recall not even one incidence in the New Testament church including the verse of scripture that was just referenced where it was commanded for believers today to give 10%. Some people can’t even be used within the church if they are not giving a specific amount and that is one reason I think this topic is so valid and should be addressed today.
I would love to be a fly on the wall and watch how much people give to the kingdom who also says tithing was done away with. David Bernard was spot on in everything he said.
Is it ok if your struggling to give less then 10 percent?
Get the set amount out of your head let each opportunity to give be unique and totally without compulsion
Circumcision, the lamb sacrifices and tithing preceded the law of Moses, yet was fulfilled and clearly done away by the Lamb sacrifice. Under the LAW (the old testament covenant) the Pharisees were suppose to tithe. Christ is our tithe just as much as He is our lamb sacrifice. If love is our motive, we will give according to our love. If you read what the old testament saints were to do with their tithe you will find that 1.) they were to go up to the temple and eat it. 2.) they were to directly share it with the poor and strangers, and 3.) they were to give of it to the priests.
Rev.Bernard may God bless your ministry more👍👍👍
Jesus is the end of the law. Rom10.4. Anyway my dear christians brothers and sisters we must follow the teaching of Paul. Paul is our great opostle.amen.
Tithe is giving from our increase. Someone who doesn't have a job and is just receiving allowance as a financial support from family members is that considered an increase, hence, tithed?
Would appreciate inputs, please.
Thank you and God bless!
When supporting your church financially just do as what the apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthian 9:7. Give as you have purposed in your heart and not let others dictate the terms and conditions.
Tithing was not required from the poor. Tithing was only required by herdsman and farmers, so if you were a carpenter a blacksmith or made jewelry you didn't pay Tithe. Tithe was never money, why is it money today, who changed it to money (that's saying if we still were suppose to)? This should make you want to search for the Scriptural Truth and not mans teaching. There is so much there. But Giving is Scriptural!. Paul speaks of it and wants us to be led by the Spirit to Give. How can one be led by the Spirit when one is commanded/ compelled/necessity (2Cor.9:7)by men to do it? So wrong when men quench the Spirit from moving
Why don't you/they work?
Bible says he who doesn't work doesn't eat.
@@NirmalSingh-lq2ik I don't give a dime to pastors.
It's not Biblical.
Jesus and Apostle Paul supported themselves.
Pastors can work.
What does Matthew 25:35-40 say?
Render to Cesar what is Cesar's , render to God what is God's. In other words taxes.
@@victorbennett5414 This was just before the new covenant.
Thank you for teaching the Word!
2 Corinthians 8 and 9
Can you discuss reprobates please and if they are completely lost or can they repent.
It is Matthew 23:23. He says "These things you ought to have done without neglecting the others." Either way you look at it (which are "these things" and which are "the others"), they both, in this verse, He is telling them, and us, they and we should do.
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In Matthew 23:23 Jesus is making a distinction between legalistic ritual and spirituality, placing spiritual matters as more important. He's chastising the Pharisees for their neglect of moral matters. Also, what the Pharisees were tithing was mint, dill, and cumin - not money. There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. Not New Testament, or Old.
Jesus came to earth under the law. That statement in Matthew 23:23 was made under the law.
Try God , that's my advice , I've been in the apostolic ministry since I was 18 years old , and I've never received a dime from the church except a few meals , I pay my tithes faithfully , I work a full time Job so I don't need to be paid for my labor in the ministry, but my advice is try God and see. If you pay your tithes God will open up the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing . I've seen gas appear in my tank when the low fuel light was on , bills paid when I shouldn't have had enough to pay them , your tithe may not be much but when you give what you have , God will bless , not to mention his sacrifice on calvary , after all he's done for us , why complain about tithes and offering that bless his kingdom
There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. If someone chooses to "tithe", that's fine but today's version of "tithing" has no biblical precedent.
For years, when I paid tithes and gave extra in offering I was tremendously blessed..... when I didn't give generously I suffered financially. Pretty simple in my mind.
Please do a video on female preachers/pastors.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Dear Bro. Bernard, thank you so much for the response on my request o having a video podcast for tithing by New Testament believers - very well discussed sir and really on point! God bless your ministry more and looking forward for your upcoming podcasts.
Love these FAQ, bite size episodes.
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Read read Deuteronomy 14
Awful teaching
Yes, I'm still a young people, and student and I know that tithing is not written in the new testament. But I believe that giving tithes should be done according to your willing heart, and if you've read Gen 28:22 our father in faith Abraham give his tenth means tithes considering it to God's even that time there's no law. It's because we have receive all these things and so much, to give back what is due to him, and we are glad to do that. Tithes also help the church, in reaching souls, building house of worship, and maybe financial assistance for the Church. 💕
Amen 🙏
Awesome teaching!
Very Great Podcast. We want to translate in oher Language like Mizo, is there any problem with this? May we get permission from the publisher?
Amen.
Great conversation and scripturally accurate
No,he did not use the scriptures accurately at all
He explain the Scripture
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Amen.malachi 3:8,9,10.
Says nothing about paying money to today's version of a church institution...
Nowhere in the Bible tells to give money
The tithe was always food. Omly time money came in eas when people moved them they sell the food snd buy for others where they are going
These preachers tiray hb turned yhe entire tithing subject to take from people under a lie. Yet the people believe. Just like Christmas
People know there is mo Santa but teach to their children while lieing
My dad pastored for years. We believe in giving to God, but knowing how others felt his answer to them was give 10% or give nothing and you decide how your blessings flow.
Most decided giving was the way to go!
My family has been blessed tremendously by giving!
If all felt like tithing isn’t biblical…how do the churches pay for utilities, charity, outreach, church supplies etc, if there isn’t any money coming in?
Yes, I do know some get greedy and it bothers me that mega money sets in church accounts while there are a lot of needs that could be met. That will be something each individual has to answer for. In the meantime, let God bless us for our heart of giving!
By free will offerings, as the New Testament advises.
By the cheerful giving of the saints
John 3:16 God loves the world , He gave His only begotten Son to the world so that our Sins are forgiven because He loved is first, so we should show our love to the church which Jesus Christ is the head of the church.Give generously and lovingly.
Great message 👍
Of course NOT.
Jesus is still hungry in the Third World
Note that the Lord describes the tithe as His and holy unto Him.Leviticus 27:,30. He also gives the use of the tithes, for the support of the Levites who were the dedicated preachers. Leviticus 18:21.
Malachi charged the church in his day of robbery in tithes and offering. Hen e after tithes offerings are required.
When it comes to tithing, the rate is given as 10% of the increase. The offering is stated to be as one purposes in his heart. Here is where individuals can vary their giving based on their faith.
are you part of the church of malachi
Amen!!!!
Jesus was tortured, nailed to a cross, and died for the sins of humanity so we wouldn't have to go to an eternal lake of fire that was predestined until Jesus made a way, and people are arguing about giving 10% to the Lord? Im not a pastor, but i have a great one who does preach and teach on giving our first fruit to the Lord. What's the big deal? It's unto the Lord. Do you not think God would bless you for giving to the Kingdom? How else will churches be paid off? How else would we expand and build bigger buildings in faith to win our cities? If we're a part of the body of Christ and we have a mission to win souls, a big part of that is to be able to cover expenses financially. My little 10% is nothing in comparison to gaining Heaven, a mansion in Heaven, seeing my family in Heaven, and being with Jesus for eternity.
I just imagine, if no one give then how can the church operates?
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In Mathew 23:23_ Jesus said, " For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law; justicem mercy and faith.
These you ought to have done,'WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE'.__
" WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE"_ means altogether the things: tithung, justice, mercy and faith must be done.
Malachi 3:10 is talking to the new testament people.
In the Old Testament _"Tithing" is a law.
When a person is under the law, God will not say " try Me now in this" but rather God will say _ Obey the law which Moses has given you because they are oblige to obey the law given to them.
In the book of Hebrew chapter 7_ Melchisedeck the high priest of Abraham was made like the Son of God who is called Jesus Christ and was made a priest continually in the order of Melchisedeck.
He was the 'great man' whom Abraham paid tithes.
Melchisedeck receive tithes from Abraham.
NOW WHO IS THE ABRAHAM REFERRED TO IN HERE?
_ Christians are called by the name Abraham who give tithes to Melchisedeck/Jesus as bonafide holder of God's promises_ because they are counted as seeds of Abraham.
Likewise, the twelve tribes_ are called by the name Israel because they are the seed of Israel.
In Hebrews 7:1_3 Melchizedek was the " king of righteousness, king of Salem meaning king of peace.
Without father, without mother, without genealogy,, HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS NOR END OF LIFE. . . . (. take notice
These are the attributes of God. ). . BUT MADE LIKE THE SON OF GOD_ (now the Word became flesh _who is Jesus Christ) REMAINS A PRIEST CONTINUALLY.
verse 4_ Now consider how great this MAN was (Jesus _ who gave His life as ransom for our sins for us to have eternal life) even the patriarch Abraham(Christians) gave a tenth of their spoils.
SPOILS of Christians_ earnings gained thru fair competition.
Remember in the Old Testament_ Abraham did not get even the shoelace of the things of the spoils in winning battle from kings to save Lot.
In Matthew 23:23 Jesus was chastising the Pharisees while acknowledging they were keeping the least of the ceremonial ordinance of tithing which was in effect at that time under Mosaic Law. Notice the specific reference to "mint, dill, and cumin" not money. Only consumable items were accepted as a systematic tithe deliverable.
The book of Malachi had nothing to do with money, was directed at the nation of Israel (Malachi 1:1) and the narrative was further narrowed towards the Levtical Priests in (1:6 and 2:1). The tithe indictments in chapter 3 can't be universally applied either historically or currently and are now obsolete under the New Covenant.
Abraham (Abram at the time) submitted a one-time honorarium that amounted to 10% of war spoils that he declared he wouldn't accept. There's no biblical evidence this submission was required by God or that Abraham ever "tithed" again.
The book of Hebrews is about the passing of the Old Covenant and a change in Priesthood, not a change in tithing ordinances to direct people's earnings to today's version of a "church".