The wait is getting longer with each video I watch of this game. The length of your videos is perfect. You don't beat the dead horse you give your opinions and you move on. You're concise, to the point, and I appreciate that. I like the format and look forward to the same. Thanks again for your time. Great video
I backed this after watching your play through with Quackalope. I like that there are many paths to victory & that you can choose how aggressive you want to play. Thanks for 2 great videos!
I hardly ever comment on videos, but I really have to commend you for your clear and concise style and structure! Overview, pros and cons - very good. So many Kickstarters rely on paid preview or 3-hour playthroughs, so it was a breeze watching this. I'm looking forward to more reviews of this type (and the game, of course).
Alex, if you keep with this format, your channel will explode. Great visuals from the video... Broad, thoughtful, honest, clear, and concise feedback on pros, cons, and potential cons... And just enough about gameplay and mechanics to give a real sense of what it's like to play this game. You're my new #1 favorite board game tuber!
Wow, nice idea to cooperate with Quackalope. I enjoyed your review a lot. (I am not very much into long gameplay videos, so thanks for shortening it down and giving your opinion!) Personally, I prefer your Kickstarter/value proposition and collection videos, because there are a lot of review channels out there already. Of course, you should make whatever videos you like to do!
Thanks! As of now Kickstarter and value are definitely the focus because it's what's making me unique, at the same time I do plan having other styles of videos as well.
Glad to hear! And this format is essential for me. I have a few upcoming Kickstarter games that I've played... And so far I like them all. Which is problematic. The good news is for each of them, I can list many reasons why I think they might not be a fit
Thanks for voting with your wallet on the campaign Alex. Appreciate you channel is pretty unique for those that talk about KS. I hope that AEG make some changes to the campaign as I agree it doesn't seem like good value at the moment. (especially for those of us who have to pay $52 or more in shipping.)
Great review, love how you touched on the teardown aspect of the game which I had never considered before because most games I own are simple to setup and packup.
Yep, again I absolutely love the game and none of these are enough to put me off. At the same time these are the areas I can see people being bothered by.
Very nice. What i like the most in this video is that you can openly adress all your problems with the game. Since i am also very picky about my games, i like that your video is evenly matched between what you don't like and what you like. Most reviewers spend to much time about what they like. But when i see a boardgame, i want to know what i will probably don't like. Since i am already looking it up and researching, i want to know what could possibly turn me off. Great review. I hope you continue to talk about the negatives about a certain game, even though you might like it.
Alex, as always you put out superb content. Thanks. I have also noticed only from watching this video, how intuitive splitting up the cons list into two sub-sections is: "what *I* didn't like", and "what others may not like". Granted, it may muddy the waters a tiny bit, but overall, I think it's a better approach in virtue of the benefits outweighing those of the other approaches!
Thanks! Yes, overall I think it worked well, but I think it's better to be even clearer in between those two how none of the following bothered me. I would take the opposite approach on a game I didn't like, I would say what I could see others liking.
Advantage of the combat being mostly luck mitigation is that even a passive player can potentially win fights against hyper aggressive combat players. That plus area denial with building up islands with defensive buildings makes even merchant focused players still a danger to offensive players.
Another great video, thanks so much. Can't wait to get this game on my table. I'm all in. Oh, and fyi, I'm constantly sharing all kinds of game videos with all the guys in my group. Thanks again and keep em coming. 👏👏
This video pushed me to back it when I was on the fence, but today's announcement made me drop the pledge. Just saw Alex's comment on the campaign and helped solidify that decision!
Thanks! And good to know, I guess I do send links to videos here and there now that I think about it, but not in any large scale like to FB or whatever.
My friend has been saying how he has been excited for this game and at first I was kind of indifferent as pirates don't appeal to me that much, but once I learned it allows for varied strategies and was part of the AEG series of card crafting games I got pretty intrigued. Now I would say that I am pretty eager to try out this game and I'm glad he is getting it. Maybe this will convince me to give Edge of Darkness a proper look.
@@BoardGameCo So Edge of Darkness is a crazy, but fun game. Drafting all of these cool cards, only to wait for them to come to you, makes you learn to think on your feet and make the best of things. I enjoyed the play and look forward to being able to play it more in the future. Certainly worked at 4 players
It's a privateer game with the option to go into pirate mode. It's more in line with history, since pirates didn't always go around flying their pirate flag. AEG refers to them as privateers in the Kickstarter.
Loving the collab content and review. You guys are two of the few channels that I have the bell turned on for "All". Will you be doing any coverage of Frostpunk/Darkest Dungeon when they hit kickstarter? I remember Quackalope mentioning on your podcast about them. Both of those video games hold a place in my heart so really interested to see how they make the transition to board games but also a little concerned that they might try and ride the IP and not be great value.
I'll definitely be covering them, as will Quackalope, But I don't know if I'll be doing stuff with them. In general I will likely have content with them on different things, but I don't always know which ones in advance.
@@BoardGameCo That's great. It doesn't necessarily have to be a collab but I usually watch Quackalope's video for deciding if I like the look of a game and your video to help me decide if I'll get value from it. The combination of both of your views on it help me be a hell of a lot more educated on the board games I back or not.
If you really enjoy the card crafting aspect, you should try Mystic Vale (which is also available in a reasonably priced and well-implemented app form now) first over Edge of Darkness. While there is card crafting in Edge of Darkness, it takes more of a back seat in my mind. I like Edge (and you might as well), but it is not as card crafting/deck building intensive. I would suggest watching some videos on Edge first, especially since it is not readily available in retail.
"What I could see others not liking" is a very good way to present it. Realy like this format. As for the game itself, I've watched the video as well as Jon Gets Games'... Think I'll drop Ascension Tactics, skirmish isn't what I love most in games.
I see that you both lay out your hand and then pick cards to play. Is it meant to be open hand or hidden? If open looks like it could do with a board, like a river system of used vs unused cards.
@@BoardGameCo do you always play all cards in hand, or only some? If some, do you still have to show your hand? and do you discard your hand at end of turn or just what you've used?
I always play the pirate way and if you choose that path, combat would be plenty and exciting. Remember that you can go black sails up and end the turn on those precious resource collecting islands to get even more player interaction after you do your normal merchant ship hunt
Thanks a lot for an honest review, it is really hard to find, or close to impossible these days to have an honest review, also with minuses of the game instead of candy land, all good, paid previews. Thanks, your review gave me perspective to understand this game fully. Thanks! For myself, I backed tiny epic pirates, and I do not see this as better game as that, for me ofcourse, it is more expensive, bigger, etc. Looks good, but I will stick with tiny epic pirates. If this would be more "epic", then I would reconsider ;D
Great video and really liked the format, you should try Edge of Darkness, it’s my number one game of all time, the card crafting mechanism is awesome, the cold harbor expansion is my favorite of the two available.
Would love to see this game come out in retail? Any word on that? Plus if I did have to make one change to this game, it would be the combat. I would love to see a Dune like combat or even some chance die! Maybe you earn dice with different sides for the upgrades on your cards…
Something I really liked is that you didn't waste time explaining the rules of the game. That may confuse some people, but you could easily warn them. I think the format is interesting, for sure. I liked how you acknowledged the limitation of only having played the game once. That's something needed in reviews because once is the number of times most people will play a game. One could argue it makes the video a "first impressions" video rather than a review video. In a review, I'm not expecting that type of disclaimer (whether you can review a game after playing it once is a whole nother debate. I take the side of "yes," but with limitations that you mentioned, like seeing other player counts).
Excellent! I'm pretty sure that if this is a game you were interested in before, then you will like it. for me it delivers strongly on the promise I thought it would.
I don't think that one play is enough to review a game. These are first impressions. Love your approach though! I almost did not watch this as I was not in the mood for yet another praising video but it was very useful in the end. 👍
Reviews vs first impressions and how many plays you need is a topic on my list :) I 100% disagree that a game needs multiple plays to review it. I 100% believe you should tell your audience how many times you played to give them context to your source of information.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but could you do a video on Northgard: Uncharted Lands? Looks like a lot of fun, but I would like to hear your opinion on the value proposition/aspect. Thanks in advance!
There's actually a great answer to that :) I have an interview with Quackalope coming up soon, I asked him why the ducks show up and he has an actual answer, stay tuned :)
Ok, first, I really like that format. You can tell your opinion, but talk honestly about the negative aspects. About the game...you actually convinced me not to back. I wanted this game as a great experience for 4 people, and I argued since the beginning, that I think the game will be too long, especially if you play with ''casual'' gamers. The downtime, the length in general and the fiddlyness...I think I wait for more reviews and the second Kickstarter. Actually the german partner publisher of AEG (Pegasus) said, that they are very interested in this game, so maybe there will be even a retail version (in german at least).
Thanks for this great review! I hope you'll be able to cover more KS campaigns like this in the future! This game makes me think of Vindication a bit. How would you compare it to Dead Reckoning? Was it a more pleasant experience than playing Vindication?
Thanks alex for another grrrreat review. I am in a dilemma. It seems that DR belongs to the same category with scythe(have never played scythe).Since i am really interested in the campaign mode that both games are offering,which one do you prefer as for the campaign mode as well as in generally?DR or scythe+rof ?Or both?Or probably another 4X?Keep up ,you are by far my no1 reviewer!!
Currently backing but on the fence due to the luck factor. Format of the review was great for me. I really want a good pirate themed game and did back tiny epic pirates...hrmmm...
I really enjoyed the gameplay review and I will love to have more of these reviews compared to only the value-proposition review (As if the gameplay isn't good enough, there's no point in buying it anyways)
Well today's update on DR is causing quite the buzz. I am very disappointed and interested to know what you think and what you will do now? I think we were both hoping that saga 2 would be added to the legendary pledge but instead they added an ALL IN pledge. I'm not the kind of person who is that interested in coins and cargo and don't get me started on the promo cards! I am seriously torn now. Too cancel or not to cancel......
Equally torn. I debated heavily canceling. I think the secondary market is likely the best bet given the fact that it's not the best value. The only reason I'm even on the fence is because I played it and loved it... If I hadn't, I guarantee you I'd be out right now. It's too bad of a deal to risk not liking it in my opinion.
Hi Alex. I liked the format and watched the entire play through. I was originally not interested even though I like card crafting because I thought that the game would focus on combat. The fact that you can play it without it necessarily being combat heavy put it back in contention. I do have a question about your prototype game. We’re you using metal coins? I usually prefer metal coins, but I am not sure if I want to pay $30 for them. I thought it sounded like you were putting metal coins in the chests, but you mentioned that they were adding them to the Kickstarter so perhaps they weren’t in the prototype. If they were not metal, what were they and how did they feel?
Great question, I believe we had metal coins but not certain. I didn't notice or think about it at the time but watching the video they looked like it.
If someone learns how to drop cubes down the ship to their advantage, and does so... then point out to them in the rules where it says they shouldn't do that. It's much the same as someone who fake rolls their dice to try to roll better. I do agree that currently it feels like backers are overpaying a little bit for the components. I saw one of their videos where they talk about how printing the components for card crafting is expensive, but it does feel as though the value is not necessarily there compared to other games. The legendary captain pledge also feels a bit lackluster compared to the base pledge. The base game has 200 card/advancements, 32 ship upgrades plus all the other components, and it's $79. Then the saga 1 expansion has 8 ship upgrades, 55 upgrades, and they price that at $45 but include it at the legendary pledge. So the saga contains less than a quarter of the content for over half the price. I was excited by the game, but I'm actually unsure of the value proposition for it once I step back and crunch the numbers. I'm hopeful that they release some amazing late additions in their daily reveals to really make it worth the money that they're asking people to put down. The multiple paid add-ons they have dropped are really an enthusiasm killer.
@@Vascariz I've seen you have the exact same argument with someone else on the kickstarter page, and I mostly agree with them. If you've got a solid argument, please present it.
Love the vids. Dead Reckoning though... in the last few days has gone from much excitement to a very sour taste. It seems that everyday the ‘value’ of the pledges gets worse. It also appears that the unlocked Sea Dogs & legendary only extras are simply part of the saga 1 (based on #2 contents and price) making legendary even less of a deal. So expensive for what you are getting, especially compared to perseverance and even cmon games. :(
Love the format. Good work. I'm cross posting my thoughts about game play: This game looks to have layers and layers of luck, massive down-time between turns and a very long duration, even with two players. It also seems to have the undesirable characteristic of slowing down with each subsequent turn. I tend to prefer games that speed up toward the end and end with a "bang". Because of this I really don't think I'd ever get into the Sagas, because they don't fix the basic flaws. So... I'll play someone else's copy, or wait until it drops down to $20-$30 for the base game in the geek market - just like Mystic Vale has. That, plus shipping is about what I'd risk to try this out.
you did too much rule mistakes: - battle board is wrong bild up - the island control is if you haf MORE than other players and empty space - deck hand level 2-4 is an ifluence OR sail. not both. - icon x icon effects (e.g. weal) counts the icons on that card. not on the hand - the island effect is you can hold more cards. not you draw more cards. - the permanet control marker still count if you do not control the island anymore - draw 1 extra card is at the end of your turn. so for the next turn not for that turn. - forts help you defend the island. if you control an island with a fort, other players may not interact with that island (place or remove cubes, produce, load/unload)
We did note the Battle Board, Island control, and we got the Permanent marker correct - outside of that. Sure we made some mistakes - I make mistakes in every game I play it seems - but we enjoyed the game and that's the point.
“I understand that throwing cubes down a little tower is not how battles typically went.” Haha I know what you meant but found this funny since it’s not how battles ever went. Thanks for the video. I appreciate all of the info you’ve given us. I think I’ll pass on this one. Would love to play it but don’t think I need to own it.
I don’t think you should criticize the 2 vs 6 cannon issue. Remeber many wars are won in real life with David vs Goliath syndrome. But hey... nice review...
I like the pirate theme but I want to save some money for game that I will enjoy more. This game looks cool but seems too many things going on... and look a bit overpriced. I will check when come to the store to save the shipping cost
Great review. I was interested in this but i'm going to pass. You're review didn't pursued me either way. I just don't see this getting to table often. I do play solo but most of the time, I play with my wife and we have our favorite genres. I'm not sure a sandbox/do whatever mechanic would work for us. Thanks for the vid.
only one fight? it is problem of 2 player game. you avoid conflict with other player. in 3-4 players you will fight more, especialy when you play agressively or in Pirate mode. just look at Gaming Rules video with Paul Grogan and John D Claire.
and downtime - you plaeyd for video, not for real game. with no camera game is flowing faster... when you play First time, is longer, but in the moment when you plat it second/third time game is faster. during downtime you prepare yours turn and actions and making adjustmens during other players moves....and when yours turn comes, then almost know what to do and make move in couple seconds...
Really dissapointed in last few days. Saw that you cancelled too. I also already dropped to 5 dollar yesterday. First kickstarter that i seem to like the game but will hold of just how the campagne is fun and the value of the pledge developed.....feeling sour 😥😢
Omg the comments are going nuts. The value that this KS is starting to drop on every update. I think I am going to cancel my pledge There are good games out there that offers better bang for the buck I think they really mishandled this campaign. The daily discovery did not get people emotionally invested in the game, coupled with the poor value
Sadly yes, I think they really dropped the ball on this. Not from a profit stance, people are still backing. But from the stance of actually delivering a good value... I'm just not seeing it
@@BoardGameCo yea, I have gone ahead and cancelled my pledge. I mean alot of these purchases are emotional and when I try to put logic into it, I realise I am going in largely also for a "feel good" feeling. And so since that's not part of the deal and after all this have cooled and settled, I will not even realise that I am missing out on what might potentially be good game The irony of this world: we spend time to earn money and spend money to waste time (maybe a 1st world irony)
@@BoardGameCo haha, I think what is more exciting is the unfolding of the situation in the comments. I think alot of backers are still commenting in hope that the price will be adjusted But what amuses me more is how this is simulating what we are seeing in the world. Where difference in opinions escalate quickly into hate comments And that's the aspect that I think you have managed to handle very well. And contribute to the success of this channel. Am trying to learn how you do that (but I digress) I think here's where the business logic tends to be a bit contradictory (speaking from a strategy consultant view point). Lower prices can certainly help increase overall profit, as it creates demand. One good example is China (low cost products that generated alot more demand than charging high prices). After all basic economics is that a company can either control price or quantity... Sry, am also rambling here but found it comforting to speak to you through this mode after such a uneasy emotional rollercoaster
I just wish they went for deluxe components or more expansions like their previous kickstarters to make this a no brainer. This game is piece for piece the worst value of any product they’ve ever produced retail or kickstarter, and backing it is more of “I want it” than a good value.
There are two different kinds of value. One is whether you want that game for the price listed. Two is whether you can get a cheaper later. I am skeptical that you will be able to get this cheaper later, and my enjoyment of the game is such that I have no problem with the first one. That being said I recognize your point which is why I specifically addressed it in the video.
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The wait is getting longer with each video I watch of this game. The length of your videos is perfect. You don't beat the dead horse you give your opinions and you move on. You're concise, to the point, and I appreciate that. I like the format and look forward to the same. Thanks again for your time. Great video
Thanks! And yes, I can't wait to get it back.
@@BoardGameCo yes and the new upgraded ships in yesterday's reveal looked awesome, probably my favorite add on so far.
Pros and Cons and the analysis that follows is a great format and deeper than a lot of quicker reviews get to. Appreciate the honesty!
Thank you!
I backed this after watching your play through with Quackalope. I like that there are many paths to victory & that you can choose how aggressive you want to play. Thanks for 2 great videos!
Anytime :)
Loved the format! Great review thanks so much.
Thanks!
Great video. Really enjoyed your insights. Upgraded my placeholder pledge to all in this morning. Really looking forward to it
Glad to hear! Hope you enjoy :)
I hardly ever comment on videos, but I really have to commend you for your clear and concise style and structure! Overview, pros and cons - very good. So many Kickstarters rely on paid preview or 3-hour playthroughs, so it was a breeze watching this. I'm looking forward to more reviews of this type (and the game, of course).
Thank you!
The first gameplay video? That's cool. I am following the Quackalope channel as well. It is good to say you two playing!
It was a blast :)
Alex, if you keep with this format, your channel will explode. Great visuals from the video... Broad, thoughtful, honest, clear, and concise feedback on pros, cons, and potential cons... And just enough about gameplay and mechanics to give a real sense of what it's like to play this game. You're my new #1 favorite board game tuber!
Your video together made me so much more excited for this game!
Glad to hear :)
Wow, nice idea to cooperate with Quackalope. I enjoyed your review a lot. (I am not very much into long gameplay videos, so thanks for shortening it down and giving your opinion!) Personally, I prefer your Kickstarter/value proposition and collection videos, because there are a lot of review channels out there already. Of course, you should make whatever videos you like to do!
Thanks! As of now Kickstarter and value are definitely the focus because it's what's making me unique, at the same time I do plan having other styles of videos as well.
Oooh, teaming up with Jesse from Quackalope! Great review Alex, I really like this format. Dead Reckoning is looking better and better 👍
Glad to hear! And this format is essential for me. I have a few upcoming Kickstarter games that I've played... And so far I like them all. Which is problematic. The good news is for each of them, I can list many reasons why I think they might not be a fit
@@BoardGameCo I am not worried, you will give us the same solid analysis you've been doing since I started watching your channel.
Thanks for voting with your wallet on the campaign Alex. Appreciate you channel is pretty unique for those that talk about KS. I hope that AEG make some changes to the campaign as I agree it doesn't seem like good value at the moment. (especially for those of us who have to pay $52 or more in shipping.)
Exactly, it's just a lot of money.
Great review, love how you touched on the teardown aspect of the game which I had never considered before because most games I own are simple to setup and packup.
Yep, again I absolutely love the game and none of these are enough to put me off. At the same time these are the areas I can see people being bothered by.
Just got my copy today! I’m rewatching this review as I unbox and organize the components. Hoping for a smooth play through experience very soon.
Enjoy it :)
Very nice. What i like the most in this video is that you can openly adress all your problems with the game. Since i am also very picky about my games, i like that your video is evenly matched between what you don't like and what you like. Most reviewers spend to much time about what they like. But when i see a boardgame, i want to know what i will probably don't like. Since i am already looking it up and researching, i want to know what could possibly turn me off. Great review. I hope you continue to talk about the negatives about a certain game, even though you might like it.
Yep, I loved the game and can't wait...but I want to be transparent too.
Alex, as always you put out superb content. Thanks. I have also noticed only from watching this video, how intuitive splitting up the cons list into two sub-sections is: "what *I* didn't like", and "what others may not like". Granted, it may muddy the waters a tiny bit, but overall, I think it's a better approach in virtue of the benefits outweighing those of the other approaches!
Thanks! Yes, overall I think it worked well, but I think it's better to be even clearer in between those two how none of the following bothered me.
I would take the opposite approach on a game I didn't like, I would say what I could see others liking.
Advantage of the combat being mostly luck mitigation is that even a passive player can potentially win fights against hyper aggressive combat players. That plus area denial with building up islands with defensive buildings makes even merchant focused players still a danger to offensive players.
💯 yes. Really liked the viability of winning as a merchant.
Another great video, thanks so much. Can't wait to get this game on my table. I'm all in. Oh, and fyi, I'm constantly sharing all kinds of game videos with all the guys in my group. Thanks again and keep em coming. 👏👏
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Very important thing to note: Alex dropped his pledge today after AEG announced their “All-in pledge”
Yep....I'm still watching but I have to vote with my wallet, not by just complaining.
This video pushed me to back it when I was on the fence, but today's announcement made me drop the pledge. Just saw Alex's comment on the campaign and helped solidify that decision!
Nice review. I definitely share videos with people I think will be interested in that video, but that is a much smaller scale than share publicly.
Thanks! And good to know, I guess I do send links to videos here and there now that I think about it, but not in any large scale like to FB or whatever.
My friend has been saying how he has been excited for this game and at first I was kind of indifferent as pirates don't appeal to me that much, but once I learned it allows for varied strategies and was part of the AEG series of card crafting games I got pretty intrigued. Now I would say that I am pretty eager to try out this game and I'm glad he is getting it. Maybe this will convince me to give Edge of Darkness a proper look.
Yep, I really want edge of darkness now....but I should really pass and stick with this :)
@@BoardGameCo So Edge of Darkness is a crazy, but fun game. Drafting all of these cool cards, only to wait for them to come to you, makes you learn to think on your feet and make the best of things. I enjoyed the play and look forward to being able to play it more in the future. Certainly worked at 4 players
It's a privateer game with the option to go into pirate mode. It's more in line with history, since pirates didn't always go around flying their pirate flag. AEG refers to them as privateers in the Kickstarter.
Cool thanks, that makes sense. Especially as you only occasionally plant your flag in the game
Loving the collab content and review. You guys are two of the few channels that I have the bell turned on for "All". Will you be doing any coverage of Frostpunk/Darkest Dungeon when they hit kickstarter? I remember Quackalope mentioning on your podcast about them.
Both of those video games hold a place in my heart so really interested to see how they make the transition to board games but also a little concerned that they might try and ride the IP and not be great value.
I'll definitely be covering them, as will Quackalope, But I don't know if I'll be doing stuff with them. In general I will likely have content with them on different things, but I don't always know which ones in advance.
@@BoardGameCo That's great. It doesn't necessarily have to be a collab but I usually watch Quackalope's video for deciding if I like the look of a game and your video to help me decide if I'll get value from it. The combination of both of your views on it help me be a hell of a lot more educated on the board games I back or not.
If you really enjoy the card crafting aspect, you should try Mystic Vale (which is also available in a reasonably priced and well-implemented app form now) first over Edge of Darkness. While there is card crafting in Edge of Darkness, it takes more of a back seat in my mind. I like Edge (and you might as well), but it is not as card crafting/deck building intensive. I would suggest watching some videos on Edge first, especially since it is not readily available in retail.
Thanks! I might....I held off for awhile but I really enjoyed Dead Reckoning so I'm more open to it.
"What I could see others not liking" is a very good way to present it. Realy like this format.
As for the game itself, I've watched the video as well as Jon Gets Games'... Think I'll drop Ascension Tactics, skirmish isn't what I love most in games.
Thanks!
I see that you both lay out your hand and then pick cards to play. Is it meant to be open hand or hidden?
If open looks like it could do with a board, like a river system of used vs unused cards.
We were just trying to balance getting it all on camera. But on your opponents turn keep your hand hidden, then on your turn play it all.
@@BoardGameCo do you always play all cards in hand, or only some? If some, do you still have to show your hand? and do you discard your hand at end of turn or just what you've used?
@@Vascariz we played all but I saw a comment we may have been playing that slightly wrong so I wouldn't want to answer definitatively.
I've been watching your videos for a while, but this is the one that made be a subscriber.
Welcome aboard!
I always play the pirate way and if you choose that path, combat would be plenty and exciting. Remember that you can go black sails up and end the turn on those precious resource collecting islands to get even more player interaction after you do your normal merchant ship hunt
Second game we plan on :) first game I think we were both wary of starting combat....I'd be more aggressive next time :)
@@BoardGameCo Let me know what you think after that plan, btw, don´t be afraid to lose the fights against the merchant ships at the beginning
Thanks a lot for an honest review, it is really hard to find, or close to impossible these days to have an honest review, also with minuses of the game instead of candy land, all good, paid previews. Thanks, your review gave me perspective to understand this game fully. Thanks! For myself, I backed tiny epic pirates, and I do not see this as better game as that, for me ofcourse, it is more expensive, bigger, etc. Looks good, but I will stick with tiny epic pirates. If this would be more "epic", then I would reconsider ;D
Yep, I'm super interested in tiny epic pirates as well. didn't back it though because those you can generally get pretty easily after Kickstarter.
Great video and really liked the format, you should try Edge of Darkness, it’s my number one game of all time, the card crafting mechanism is awesome, the cold harbor expansion is my favorite of the two available.
Darn you. I don't need comments like this... They make me think I should get edge of darkness.
Would love to see this game come out in retail? Any word on that?
Plus if I did have to make one change to this game, it would be the combat. I would love to see a Dune like combat or even some chance die! Maybe you earn dice with different sides for the upgrades on your cards…
They said no official retail.
Something I really liked is that you didn't waste time explaining the rules of the game. That may confuse some people, but you could easily warn them. I think the format is interesting, for sure. I liked how you acknowledged the limitation of only having played the game once. That's something needed in reviews because once is the number of times most people will play a game. One could argue it makes the video a "first impressions" video rather than a review video. In a review, I'm not expecting that type of disclaimer (whether you can review a game after playing it once is a whole nother debate. I take the side of "yes," but with limitations that you mentioned, like seeing other player counts).
Great points, thank you!
Great video.....was already convinced😅. But this video made me confident in my pledge
Excellent! I'm pretty sure that if this is a game you were interested in before, then you will like it. for me it delivers strongly on the promise I thought it would.
I don't think that one play is enough to review a game. These are first impressions. Love your approach though! I almost did not watch this as I was not in the mood for yet another praising video but it was very useful in the end. 👍
Reviews vs first impressions and how many plays you need is a topic on my list :) I 100% disagree that a game needs multiple plays to review it. I 100% believe you should tell your audience how many times you played to give them context to your source of information.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but could you do a video on Northgard: Uncharted Lands? Looks like a lot of fun, but I would like to hear your opinion on the value proposition/aspect. Thanks in advance!
Yep :) In the pipeline.
Okay, great, thanks! :D
What is the purpose of the rubber duck in the video?
It is a Quackalope thing... it is in all their videos which are all also great
There's actually a great answer to that :) I have an interview with Quackalope coming up soon, I asked him why the ducks show up and he has an actual answer, stay tuned :)
Ok, first, I really like that format. You can tell your opinion, but talk honestly about the negative aspects.
About the game...you actually convinced me not to back. I wanted this game as a great experience for 4 people, and I argued since the beginning, that I think the game will be too long, especially if you play with ''casual'' gamers. The downtime, the length in general and the fiddlyness...I think I wait for more reviews and the second Kickstarter. Actually the german partner publisher of AEG (Pegasus) said, that they are very interested in this game, so maybe there will be even a retail version (in german at least).
Great! Glad I could help. I could see 3 being the sweet spot but again...just guessing.
Thanks for this great review! I hope you'll be able to cover more KS campaigns like this in the future!
This game makes me think of Vindication a bit. How would you compare it to Dead Reckoning? Was it a more pleasant experience than playing Vindication?
In terms of the wife open choices....a bit. But the overall feel was very different.
Thanks alex for another grrrreat review. I am in a dilemma. It seems that DR belongs to the same category with scythe(have never played scythe).Since i am really interested in the campaign mode that both games are offering,which one do you prefer as for the campaign mode as well as in generally?DR or scythe+rof ?Or both?Or probably another 4X?Keep up ,you are by far my no1 reviewer!!
Great video and great review format. Game is not for me but I'm still interested in the different perspective.
Thanks! Appreciate it :)
Currently backing but on the fence due to the luck factor. Format of the review was great for me. I really want a good pirate themed game and did back tiny epic pirates...hrmmm...
Yep, definite luck but for me it's like any deckbuilder.
I really enjoyed the gameplay review and I will love to have more of these reviews compared to only the value-proposition review (As if the gameplay isn't good enough, there's no point in buying it anyways)
I plan on when and where I can :)
Well today's update on DR is causing quite the buzz. I am very disappointed and interested to know what you think and what you will do now? I think we were both hoping that saga 2 would be added to the legendary pledge but instead they added an ALL IN pledge. I'm not the kind of person who is that interested in coins and cargo and don't get me started on the promo cards! I am seriously torn now. Too cancel or not to cancel......
Equally torn. I debated heavily canceling. I think the secondary market is likely the best bet given the fact that it's not the best value. The only reason I'm even on the fence is because I played it and loved it... If I hadn't, I guarantee you I'd be out right now. It's too bad of a deal to risk not liking it in my opinion.
Hi Alex. I liked the format and watched the entire play through. I was originally not interested even though I like card crafting because I thought that the game would focus on combat. The fact that you can play it without it necessarily being combat heavy put it back in contention. I do have a question about your prototype game. We’re you using metal coins? I usually prefer metal coins, but I am not sure if I want to pay $30 for them. I thought it sounded like you were putting metal coins in the chests, but you mentioned that they were adding them to the Kickstarter so perhaps they weren’t in the prototype. If they were not metal, what were they and how did they feel?
Great question, I believe we had metal coins but not certain. I didn't notice or think about it at the time but watching the video they looked like it.
Can this be compared to merchants and marauders game?
In feel, absolutely. In mechanics, not really.
If someone learns how to drop cubes down the ship to their advantage, and does so... then point out to them in the rules where it says they shouldn't do that. It's much the same as someone who fake rolls their dice to try to roll better.
I do agree that currently it feels like backers are overpaying a little bit for the components. I saw one of their videos where they talk about how printing the components for card crafting is expensive, but it does feel as though the value is not necessarily there compared to other games. The legendary captain pledge also feels a bit lackluster compared to the base pledge. The base game has 200 card/advancements, 32 ship upgrades plus all the other components, and it's $79. Then the saga 1 expansion has 8 ship upgrades, 55 upgrades, and they price that at $45 but include it at the legendary pledge. So the saga contains less than a quarter of the content for over half the price.
I was excited by the game, but I'm actually unsure of the value proposition for it once I step back and crunch the numbers. I'm hopeful that they release some amazing late additions in their daily reveals to really make it worth the money that they're asking people to put down. The multiple paid add-ons they have dropped are really an enthusiasm killer.
That's basically where I am. I cover this in Tomorrows vid.
But you aren't paying $45, you are paying $30...
@@Vascariz I've seen you have the exact same argument with someone else on the kickstarter page, and I mostly agree with them. If you've got a solid argument, please present it.
How do you feel it will play as a solo game?
Hmm, I don't know anything about the solo rules unfortunately so I can't overly comment there.
Love the vids. Dead Reckoning though... in the last few days has gone from much excitement to a very sour taste. It seems that everyday the ‘value’ of the pledges gets worse. It also appears that the unlocked Sea Dogs & legendary only extras are simply part of the saga 1 (based on #2 contents and price) making legendary even less of a deal. So expensive for what you are getting, especially compared to perseverance and even cmon games. :(
Yep....I dropped my pledge today. Was sad to do so but I want to vote with my wallet.
Same.
Love the format. Good work. I'm cross posting my thoughts about game play: This game looks to have layers and layers of luck, massive down-time between turns and a very long duration, even with two players. It also seems to have the undesirable characteristic of slowing down with each subsequent turn. I tend to prefer games that speed up toward the end and end with a "bang". Because of this I really don't think I'd ever get into the Sagas, because they don't fix the basic flaws. So... I'll play someone else's copy, or wait until it drops down to $20-$30 for the base game in the geek market - just like Mystic Vale has. That, plus shipping is about what I'd risk to try this out.
I'll just say....it will never drop down to $20-$30 even for the base game :) Maybe $50-$60 if you're luck :)
Thanks!
@@BoardGameCo Alex - never is a very long time. I've been into board games since Civilization was the new hotness. My time horizon is... pretty long.
@@pierceostrander8146 Lol well in that case.....(I still think never).
you did too much rule mistakes:
- battle board is wrong bild up
- the island control is if you haf MORE than other players and empty space
- deck hand level 2-4 is an ifluence OR sail. not both.
- icon x icon effects (e.g. weal) counts the icons on that card. not on the hand
- the island effect is you can hold more cards. not you draw more cards.
- the permanet control marker still count if you do not control the island anymore
- draw 1 extra card is at the end of your turn. so for the next turn not for that turn.
- forts help you defend the island. if you control an island with a fort, other players may not interact with that island (place or remove cubes, produce, load/unload)
We did note the Battle Board, Island control, and we got the Permanent marker correct - outside of that. Sure we made some mistakes - I make mistakes in every game I play it seems - but we enjoyed the game and that's the point.
Yes thank you, I saw your comment on The other video, thanks for noting these.
“I understand that throwing cubes down a little tower is not how battles typically went.” Haha I know what you meant but found this funny since it’s not how battles ever went. Thanks for the video. I appreciate all of the info you’ve given us. I think I’ll pass on this one. Would love to play it but don’t think I need to own it.
Lol yep, i thought it was amusing.
many people would like to know your opinion after today's announcement, did it change your opinion about this game and its value?
Just posted a community update on this.
@@BoardGameCo Thank you, may I ask which community update? link?
@@BoardGameCo just found it, Thank you the info
@@BoardGameCo teaching all the time. I have never known people updated the community tab.
The format works. You didn't say anything about the solo play.
I loved mystic vale so i had to go in on this one
Haven't given that one a shot yet.
I don’t think you should criticize the 2 vs 6 cannon issue. Remeber many wars are won in real life with David vs Goliath syndrome. But hey... nice review...
Not my own criticism. That fell under the category of things I can see others being bothered by :) I'm not one of those others.
I like the pirate theme but I want to save some money for game that I will enjoy more. This game looks cool but seems too many things going on... and look a bit overpriced. I will check when come to the store to save the shipping cost
Great review. I was interested in this but i'm going to pass. You're review didn't pursued me either way. I just don't see this getting to table often. I do play solo but most of the time, I play with my wife and we have our favorite genres. I'm not sure a sandbox/do whatever mechanic would work for us. Thanks for the vid.
Totally get it, there are a lot of games that don't do it for me for one reason or another.
only one fight? it is problem of 2 player game. you avoid conflict with other player. in 3-4 players you will fight more, especialy when you play agressively or in Pirate mode. just look at Gaming Rules video with Paul Grogan and John D Claire.
and downtime - you plaeyd for video, not for real game. with no camera game is flowing faster... when you play First time, is longer, but in the moment when you plat it second/third time game is faster. during downtime you prepare yours turn and actions and making adjustmens during other players moves....and when yours turn comes, then almost know what to do and make move in couple seconds...
We chose to be less aggressive. My point is only that it will come down to the players and games will vary.
Really dissapointed in last few days. Saw that you cancelled too. I also already dropped to 5 dollar yesterday.
First kickstarter that i seem to like the game but will hold of just how the campagne is fun and the value of the pledge developed.....feeling sour 😥😢
Yep, I may end up putting out a video on why I think it's such a big deal.
@@BoardGameCo yeah would be interested in your view on this.
@@BoardGameCo Yes please Alex! AEG should be called out for the way they have handled this whole sorry business!
What happened I was about to back this
Omg the comments are going nuts. The value that this KS is starting to drop on every update. I think I am going to cancel my pledge
There are good games out there that offers better bang for the buck
I think they really mishandled this campaign. The daily discovery did not get people emotionally invested in the game, coupled with the poor value
Sadly yes, I think they really dropped the ball on this. Not from a profit stance, people are still backing. But from the stance of actually delivering a good value... I'm just not seeing it
@@BoardGameCo yea, I have gone ahead and cancelled my pledge. I mean alot of these purchases are emotional and when I try to put logic into it, I realise I am going in largely also for a "feel good" feeling.
And so since that's not part of the deal and after all this have cooled and settled, I will not even realise that I am missing out on what might potentially be good game
The irony of this world: we spend time to earn money and spend money to waste time (maybe a 1st world irony)
@@DK-xw2te Yep. Keep an eye out on the secondary market, it will be available there for sure.
@@BoardGameCo haha, I think what is more exciting is the unfolding of the situation in the comments. I think alot of backers are still commenting in hope that the price will be adjusted
But what amuses me more is how this is simulating what we are seeing in the world. Where difference in opinions escalate quickly into hate comments
And that's the aspect that I think you have managed to handle very well. And contribute to the success of this channel. Am trying to learn how you do that (but I digress)
I think here's where the business logic tends to be a bit contradictory (speaking from a strategy consultant view point). Lower prices can certainly help increase overall profit, as it creates demand. One good example is China (low cost products that generated alot more demand than charging high prices). After all basic economics is that a company can either control price or quantity...
Sry, am also rambling here but found it comforting to speak to you through this mode after such a uneasy emotional rollercoaster
I just wish they went for deluxe components or more expansions like their previous kickstarters to make this a no brainer.
This game is piece for piece the worst value of any product they’ve ever produced retail or kickstarter, and backing it is more of “I want it” than a good value.
There are two different kinds of value. One is whether you want that game for the price listed. Two is whether you can get a cheaper later. I am skeptical that you will be able to get this cheaper later, and my enjoyment of the game is such that I have no problem with the first one. That being said I recognize your point which is why I specifically addressed it in the video.