You make many good points but I think the answer is far similar. The reason why Water and Ice are different types is because Ice represents "cold " not just "frozen water". That's way so few Ice types are actually related to water and the few that are are part Water
Plus you can have dry snow, infact only 2% of the arctic is water and its actually dangerous to eat snow when thristy because it'll just absorb more moisture as Arctic snow lacks water.
I've found Lapras' typing perfect since it fits with it's based on, that being the Loch Ness monster. The Water typing because Nessie is a Plesiosaur, which is an aquatic reptile, and the Ice typing because have you seen how cold Loch Ness can be?! All-in-all, solid Pokemon, and still my all time favorite! 🥰
Gameplay wise rock and ground are too similar defensively but offensively they pair really well. Ice type needs to resist more than just itself. I would love to see a total type rebalance one day.
In terms of resistance, logically, grass should resist ice as most plants cannot grow in just snow, although grass already struggles in attacking a lot of types (7 types resist it lmao)
It's almost impressive how many unique types there are in Pokemon and how they all balance out. I'd also say bug, poison, and grass overlapped quite a bit in the first generation too but has greatly diversified since.
Ice is just an extension of water so why are they considered separate elements. That was one of my biggest head-scratchers for the Final Fantasy franchise as well.
Ice is more than just “frozen water” pokemon uses it as another element as it can be linked to snow, frost, & (ant)arctic creatures. Ice is essential the cold, wintry type. Water is more aquatic and marine, so the differences are distinct. If anything, rock/ground have always felt more similar tbh
MY Fave Mon of each of those Types: -Water💧Samurott. Fan of Japanese weapons since BOTH East & West Animation. Love that as The Mon Evolves, so does its Weapon. Other Faves: Primarina, Feraligatr, Drednaw, Palafin, Floatzel, -Ice❄️ Mamoswine. Dinosaurs WERE (Past tense)associated with Rock🪨 SO I wanted an IceAge animal for Ice-type THUS This MamoBoar. PLUS a charging Ice creatures reminds me of The Digimon: AncientMegatheriumon seen in Battle Spirit 2 game Other Faves: Lapras, Alolan Ninetales, Beartic, Cetitan, Walrein, -Rock🪨 BACK THEN, Fossils were assoc. w/ Rock-type and among them is MY Fave Non-Mythical Animal as a Pokemon: The T-Rex Mon, Tyrantrum🦖 Other Faves: Lycanroc, Tyranitar, Drednaw, Hisuian Arcanine, Aerodactyl, -Ground🌏 -Mon: Excadrill. The moment I saw its Line & its Typing, what immediately came to mind was Toph Beifong, One of MY Fave Characters from Nickelodeon’s Avatar. After being trained by Badgermoles, The 1st Earthbender practitioners she became an MVP of Team Avatar, One of The Best Earthbenders (One cause King Bumi), AND 1st discoverer Metalbending⚙️ Other Faves: Torterra, Mudsdale, Mamoswine, Garchomp, Swampert, Donphan & its ParadoxForms
It’s always disappointed me that ice is such a weak type since ice type Pokémon have a really cool aesthetic, and I really love winter aesthetics in general.
Same here. It’s even more sad when you notice that Ice has the fewest Pokemon and pretty much always appears as a lategame type for whatever reason despite having a headstart on both Ghost and Dragon in number of Pokemon. Gen 9 introducing three incredibly strong ice types was nice but I wish they would fix the type rather than just give us blatantly overpowered stuff
Was not expecting Bionicle to get mentioned so casually like that in a primarily Pokemon focused channel. But makes sense given the theme of the video. Even one of the writers of Bionicle Greg Farshty made a good comparison between the difference between stone and earth. Basically which one hurts more, rock or dirt?
Your a Bionicle fan? Awesome! I wish Ice did neutral damage to water. It feel like two starter types being resistant to ice and grass is vulnerable to ice is unbalanced, or that could be my ocd.
The water and ice types are different because they can only control certain sates of the matter of water. Ground can break the ground, (with moves like earthquake) and rock can control rocks and stuff.
Ground types always feel very strong to me but ice Pokémon are very beautiful. In my mind, ice Pokémon are sharp and capable but easily damaged. Water Pokémon are always fun creatures though. Rock Pokémon are always very cool and rugged. It would be hard to pick a favorite from the four 😮. (This is just how they vibe for me not stat wise. Just the way they've looked to me since I was little kid). 🎉😅
You want a pun that can work for all these types ...Done. It's easy, to become a wet blanket or a stick in the mud, but it takes time to stay stone cold.
Rock and Ground should have merge and become Earth type tbh but I love that they separate both Ice and Water even though this kinda makes Ice the inferior type
Great explanation of the differences between Water and Ice, along with Rock and Ground; I still think the latter pair should be combined into a Earth type or something, as they cover way too similar ground (lol), but I have no problem with Water and Ice being separate! Now, how about a video on the Normal type and how some Pokémon can be both Normal and another type? I STILL don't get the logic behind that.
probably because ice is already a massive glass cannon with it being strong against 4 types (flying, grass, ground and dragon) maybe make it super effective against rock as well to give it at least something against one of its weaknesses and make it resist water
I would say out of the 4 my favourite is probably Water. There's a lot so it's hard to say in a general sense but I feel like I like way more Water Pokemon than I dislike and I don't think the other 3 share that ratio.
0:01 Unfortunately, both. Despite Lapras being my favourite Pokémon I don’t like its typing. Neither of its design origins, being the Plesiosaur and Sea Turtle, are associated with ice.
I think that poison type shouldn't exist, every poison pokemon could be dark type instead, mainly because GF had some problems trying to buff the posion type, that and is not a lot what you can do with poison besides trash, pollution and toxins Types like bug, dragon, fairy or dark are not attached to an specific element but to a concept, like weird, powerful, cute or edgy, these types can branch into different ideas having drampa and hydreigon in the same group. Personally I think that rock and ground should be the same type, like an earth type, because "strong, though characters" is the niche that both of them have filled, yes they have different meaning but in a *18 by 18 type chart* most of their weaknesses and resistances are the same so maybe they should combine them
Fighting types are just normal types who hit the gym
Controversial
Lol true
Ghost types are just normal types who died.
If Bidoof got swole 😳
@@GatorEX that would be scary
You make many good points but I think the answer is far similar. The reason why Water and Ice are different types is because Ice represents "cold " not just "frozen water". That's way so few Ice types are actually related to water and the few that are are part Water
Plus you can have dry snow, infact only 2% of the arctic is water and its actually dangerous to eat snow when thristy because it'll just absorb more moisture as Arctic snow lacks water.
Water starters learn ice beam, except Quaquaval
I've found Lapras' typing perfect since it fits with it's based on, that being the Loch Ness monster. The Water typing because Nessie is a Plesiosaur, which is an aquatic reptile, and the Ice typing because have you seen how cold Loch Ness can be?! All-in-all, solid Pokemon, and still my all time favorite! 🥰
Well it's still liquid, so should it be ice... ? 🤔 I can't argue with someone called the Lapras Fan though! 😲
I also always liked when they would learn more into the Ice typing like how Santa has a Laura’s in the anime or like with Melony in SWSH.
@@GatorEX Laura? 😂
@@VinnytotheK LOL! :3
And also cetaceans in behavior.
Gameplay wise rock and ground are too similar defensively but offensively they pair really well. Ice type needs to resist more than just itself. I would love to see a total type rebalance one day.
In terms of resistance, logically, grass should resist ice as most plants cannot grow in just snow, although grass already struggles in attacking a lot of types (7 types resist it lmao)
@Ditto that makes no sense grass is harmed by ice
@@maganhassan2627 I think he meant Ice should resist Grass.
It's almost impressive how many unique types there are in Pokemon and how they all balance out. I'd also say bug, poison, and grass overlapped quite a bit in the first generation too but has greatly diversified since.
They say if you keep your Water types in a freezer, you can change its type to an Ice type... or a ghost type if its _too_ cold
Ice is basically *_crunchy water_*
h2cold
SUPER NICE, really liked your explanation of the different types, personally I think ground and rock can still be grouped together.
Ice is just an extension of water so why are they considered separate elements. That was one of my biggest head-scratchers for the Final Fantasy franchise as well.
Ye thas fair and makes sense
They're the sane element in the TCG
Ice is more than just “frozen water” pokemon uses it as another element as it can be linked to snow, frost, & (ant)arctic creatures. Ice is essential the cold, wintry type. Water is more aquatic and marine, so the differences are distinct. If anything, rock/ground have always felt more similar tbh
Also i guess Dragon would be too op if it was *only* weak to Dragon
Because water isn’t necessarily cold.
In fact, Ice is actually a higher tier element than water
Water and dragon are my favorite types, water just has a different vibe than ice.
"Variety is the spice of life"
- Grunty Boi
Honestly water is one of my favorite types. 3 of the 6 starters I've used so far are water type.
MY Fave Mon of each of those Types:
-Water💧Samurott. Fan of Japanese weapons since BOTH East & West Animation. Love that as The Mon Evolves, so does its Weapon.
Other Faves: Primarina, Feraligatr, Drednaw, Palafin, Floatzel,
-Ice❄️ Mamoswine. Dinosaurs WERE (Past tense)associated with Rock🪨 SO I wanted an IceAge animal for Ice-type THUS This MamoBoar. PLUS a charging Ice creatures reminds me of The Digimon: AncientMegatheriumon seen in Battle Spirit 2 game
Other Faves: Lapras, Alolan Ninetales, Beartic, Cetitan, Walrein,
-Rock🪨 BACK THEN, Fossils were assoc. w/ Rock-type and among them is MY Fave Non-Mythical Animal as a Pokemon: The T-Rex Mon, Tyrantrum🦖
Other Faves: Lycanroc, Tyranitar, Drednaw, Hisuian Arcanine, Aerodactyl,
-Ground🌏 -Mon: Excadrill. The moment I saw its Line & its Typing, what immediately came to mind was Toph Beifong, One of MY Fave Characters from Nickelodeon’s Avatar. After being trained by Badgermoles, The 1st Earthbender practitioners she became an MVP of Team Avatar, One of The Best Earthbenders (One cause King Bumi), AND 1st discoverer Metalbending⚙️
Other Faves: Torterra, Mudsdale, Mamoswine, Garchomp, Swampert, Donphan & its ParadoxForms
It’s always disappointed me that ice is such a weak type since ice type Pokémon have a really cool aesthetic, and I really love winter aesthetics in general.
I feel like Ice should’ve resisted Dragon at the very least.
Ice needs to resist water and flying and it's literally perfect just with those 2 logical ones
Ice is terrible defensively but extremely good offensively.
Same here. It’s even more sad when you notice that Ice has the fewest Pokemon and pretty much always appears as a lategame type for whatever reason despite having a headstart on both Ghost and Dragon in number of Pokemon.
Gen 9 introducing three incredibly strong ice types was nice but I wish they would fix the type rather than just give us blatantly overpowered stuff
@GuntherDoesALilTrolling No shit Sherlock,that was the point of this comment
Was not expecting Bionicle to get mentioned so casually like that in a primarily Pokemon focused channel. But makes sense given the theme of the video. Even one of the writers of Bionicle Greg Farshty made a good comparison between the difference between stone and earth. Basically which one hurts more, rock or dirt?
You forgot, many water Pokemon (especially water starters, but Quaquaval) learn Ice Beam
Ice is more of a Cold type, less about solid water more about the low tempratures that make it that way
Your a Bionicle fan? Awesome! I wish Ice did neutral damage to water. It feel like two starter types being resistant to ice and grass is vulnerable to ice is unbalanced, or that could be my ocd.
Ice may be a different state of water, but throwing ice at someone definitely hit different
"Cool, calm, and clear like water" -water island weirdos
"Nobody likes me, everyone's afraid of me, this is why I'm so, cold" -cold island werdos
This is the best explanation for this subject that I’ve heard
Short answer: vibes, man
There just someone mystical about Ice -Type Pokémon.
The water and ice types are different because they can only control certain sates of the matter of water. Ground can break the ground, (with moves like earthquake) and rock can control rocks and stuff.
TCG:Let's just pretend that ice type didn't happen ok?
I understand this, it's because water is ice, but hard.
4:32 heh
Absolutely wonderful point! I always love your insights!
I used to think Lapras was only water type. I didn’t know it was ice too until recently
Prob because of Pokemon go, the game can only contain 1 type and not multiple
because ice is like a cold type and water is like what a water type is expected to be.
0:50 don't you mean ROCK AND STONE!!!
For those who know, a beer for you lads
Favorite type: Grass
read that in the DRG scouts voice
Ground types always feel very strong to me but ice Pokémon are very beautiful. In my mind, ice Pokémon are sharp and capable but easily damaged. Water Pokémon are always fun creatures though. Rock Pokémon are always very cool and rugged. It would be hard to pick a favorite from the four 😮.
(This is just how they vibe for me not stat wise. Just the way they've looked to me since I was little kid). 🎉😅
You want a pun that can work for all these types ...Done. It's easy, to become a wet blanket or a stick in the mud, but it takes time to stay stone cold.
First thought before diving into the video (excuse the pun):
_”Why are Water and Ice different chemical states of dihydrogen monoxide…?”_ 🤔
Ice is more the cold type.
AHEM:
water quagsire
ice obamasnow
ground clodsire
rock tyranitar
To answer the pop quiz yes
Flying Type is just Obi-wan kenobi because he has the high ground
Fire/Rock type should be called Magma cuz it can "donut" Fire
Rock and Ground should have merge and become Earth type tbh but I love that they separate both Ice and Water even though this kinda makes Ice the inferior type
Rock is more to do with pebbles while ground got to do witn movements of ground like earthquake and mud/sand.
Ice specalist since gen 1
Great explanation of the differences between Water and Ice, along with Rock and Ground; I still think the latter pair should be combined into a Earth type or something, as they cover way too similar ground (lol), but I have no problem with Water and Ice being separate!
Now, how about a video on the Normal type and how some Pokémon can be both Normal and another type? I STILL don't get the logic behind that.
I'm just out here surprised You mentioned Bionicle. It's hard to see it anywhere else other than LEGO or Bionicle specific fandoms
Rock beats flying because you can kill two birds with one stone
On that note fire and electric could be considered the same thing because they're both made of plasma.
What is the source for the Pokemon sprites and models running irl at the beginning of the video? 😲
Ground types are cool.
The real question is why ice isnt super effective against water
probably because ice is already a massive glass cannon with it being strong against 4 types (flying, grass, ground and dragon)
maybe make it super effective against rock as well to give it at least something against one of its weaknesses and make it resist water
At we have Freeze Day as a move, which I even found out Glaceon can learn while recording for this video, so that’s cool.
3:11 Feel free to make a video if you want you know we'll watch it sounds interesting
I would say out of the 4 my favourite is probably Water. There's a lot so it's hard to say in a general sense but I feel like I like way more Water Pokemon than I dislike and I don't think the other 3 share that ratio.
0:01 Unfortunately, both. Despite Lapras being my favourite Pokémon I don’t like its typing. Neither of its design origins, being the Plesiosaur and Sea Turtle, are associated with ice.
its the same with ground and rock
Bionicle :)
If Rock and Ground are separate types, and Ice and Water are too, then why don't we have Flying-type and Wind-type Pokémon?
Freeze dry is super effective against water types
I think that poison type shouldn't exist, every poison pokemon could be dark type instead, mainly because GF had some problems trying to buff the posion type, that and is not a lot what you can do with poison besides trash, pollution and toxins
Types like bug, dragon, fairy or dark are not attached to an specific element but to a concept, like weird, powerful, cute or edgy, these types can branch into different ideas having drampa and hydreigon in the same group.
Personally I think that rock and ground should be the same type, like an earth type, because "strong, though characters" is the niche that both of them have filled, yes they have different meaning but in a *18 by 18 type chart* most of their weaknesses and resistances are the same so maybe they should combine them
What about attacks?
Do you guys know in the terms of most cutest and my favorite
Glaceon is the first choice 😘( don't make it weird)
just give viable ice types for the playthrough that arent legendaries dang it
Lapras is Water/Ice
Why we don't have Wind or Air type instead of Flying type? A lot of "Fly"ing Pkms can't even learn Fly
Why is there no steam type? Ask the real question 😆
no please talk about their fits please