Enjoy these comparison videos. I think the most important take away is not the incremental gains of each generation (as demonstrated by robots or in this case Ian normalizing all of the other variables), but that a well-fit driver of any generation will consistently beat an poorly fit driver. For me the need to change drivers has been more about changes in my physical abilities (and sometimes skill) rather than the changes in equipment technology. This is where fitting has been so helpful for me as a player and made golf much more enjoyable.
@@anthonygraham2667 Fair point. I was just explaining my justification for getting refit and buying new clubs when needed vs. just buying new clubs every year and expecting a big performance gain.
I’ve been playing golf for 40 years. In reality the technology has probably given us 40 yards over that period of time. Personally, I think half or more of that, is the golf ball! The biggest difference is the forgiveness. When I started playing in the mid 80’s most guys were still using wood-woods, one or two had the latest metal woods. I can remember nearly ever guy pulling out 3 wood to the tee box. If you pulled out your one wood, your were definitely feeling confident! That old saying “you’ve hit that straight out of the screws” was a real saying.
I have a G400 Max with stock shaft and decided to get a shaft fitting last week and gained 30 yards! I had them put in a g430 10K head on this new shaft and the difference wasn't significant enough to get the new driver. I love my g400 max head. I find the turbulators on the g430 10k stick out more and a little distracting at address. lol For the curious, it'll be the Accra GX blue shaft. Liked it so much I'm replacing my g400 5 wood (ping tour shaft) with a g430 max 5 wood with Accra GX blue shaft also. ;)
Have you ever compared it to a modern driver on a range or a trackman? Asking as I've just upgraded from a 909 D2 to a TS3 myself. Mainly for forgiveness rather than distance but I did wonder if it's even worth a few hundred notes upgrade if distance only is the goal.
I had a 910 D3 that was in my bag from 2011 until 2020 when I got fitted for a TSi3. Both heads were around 9.5 loft + had OG Diamana Kaili 7x and I increased ball speed from 172 to 179 on average (8-10 balls). New heads are faster across the face and way more stable.
@@bobb3rdown676 How many rounds per year are you playing? On average, how many times per round are you hitting driver? What is your swing speed? Are you also at driving range w/driver? How often? I ask this because ime, driver heads don’t last that long. This is particularly true of earlier titanium face drivers. I never had a 910 but I had the 975 and 909D3, my only Titleist drivers prior to my current TSR3. Both of those Titleist drivers I cracked the face within 2 seasons of playing average 50 rounds annually. I had same issues with various GBB Ti and XHot drivers. I had the original Sim that went nearly 3 full years before something broke internally; it had a rattle noise but face was still intact. The only drivers I’ve never had fail is a Mizuno JPX900 and my TSR3.
Next released driver....The Mach - GT - AI - Rad - Space Shuttle - Supersonic - High Launch Low Spin - Drain your bank account into ours - 6 degree - Hexagonal shaped driver. It adds 1 yard of distance and $700 into our pockets. Buy it now! (free head cover included)
Taylor made R5 TP tour issue 8.9⁰ with grafalloy NT prototype s flex shaft . 441/2 inch and D1 swing weight. It was the club I hit the furthest and straightest in my life and some lowlife stole it . 😢
Am gaming the 917D3 with a Hzardus Smoke 6.0 shaft. Still love the feel, shape and flight of it. And its the straightest driver i have ever played which is revelation. Greta vid lads. Thanks from a fan in NZ
Really well done guys. I appreciate you getting the club speeds close so you can be more comfortable outlining the similarities/differences. I've given feedback about that in the past. Coincidently, I'm doing a driver fitting this week looking to see if there is one better suited than my TM Sim 2. GT series is on the list. Great job!
Nice review guys. I've been using a TS3 for about 4 years now, i do like the driver, but not crazy about the shape. I've been looking at the Qi10, but will hit the GT3 this week. My ball speed is 147-151, carry around 244 on the monitor. Currently have a Tensai S 55g shaft, but like the Diamana in the Qi10. I hit one 264 carry a couple of times w Qi10 LS version, but would probably get the std Qi driver if I were to buy it. Gotta try the GT !
Good test lads. I’ve just come out of the 915 D3 after 10 yrs and into the 10K. Demo’d the TSR when it came out and saw a 5 yard gain with little difference in forgiveness. The 915 lives in the shed now. Still not ready to divorce it just yet. Played with a 79 yr old pro a couple of wks ago (30 yrs older than me) who out drove me with his Ping 410!! Would love to see that comparison if you get a chance
Great video and you didn't manage to break it...😆 i know you mentioned how stable it would be in the wind, however, when the wind is howling on Shiskine GC i would love to see how it performs. My Motocaddy S1 has gone over a few times in a strong crosswind.
Seems like this has become the Titleist channel as of last. Love the idea of 10 years, 5 years back with wedges. Seems that is a club that really hasn't changed.
@@Bogeypro256 firstly the channel is always hot with whatever is new and what’s in our bags. Before our fitting video last week the previous video that involved a Titleist club was a month ago. You can’t test old vs new wedges unless you have old wedges that are in new condition. That’s just an unfair test, wedges degrade far quicker than any other club in the bag.
I had my 915d3 9.5 for 10 years. Had it when it first came out. Finally switched to the tsr4 9 degree. It was the hardest switch in the bag because the 915, I knew where it was going 100% of the time. I could pull it out and just swing it and it’ll go. I have 120-122SS, smash factor 1.49-1.50 and I would carry the 915 300+. But sometimes, I’ll catch high spinners even with center hits which would cause my ball to spin 3500 instead of 2100. Even had the OG ck pro white 6tx. The tsr4 is a true spin killer. Haven’t had ball balloon up in spin and flight.
Maybe not for an excellent golfer like yourself, but I've seen a noticeable difference with customers here in my bay with older drivers and newer ones on off center hits, a lot more spin with the olders ones and wider dispersion
I'd love for y'all to evolve on this concept. It's fun to see how much the generations have changed, but the real crux to this question is - what thing should we upgrade to get the biggest bang for the buck; is it the shaft or the driver head? Would love to see a video where you test two shafts and two heads to see if a new shaft or a new head (or a combo of both) is needed to really move the needle.
Enjoy watching these as it shows there’s no need to rush and buy the most recently launched equipment that’s hiked in price and doesn’t always offer substantially different results. Now do the ping G series starting with the G400!!
Upgrading from a 975d to a Qi10 a few months back, after a long break from the game. Adds only around 10 yards comparing clean hits, despite being 25 years apart. There's 10x more clean hits with the modern driver though, so average distance works out way higher.
I love the comment dogging on the 917. Least favorite driver i have hit. I bought 917 D2 after having a load of success with my 913D2. Bought same head specs and everything. Tried all I could to love it but that thing was a brick. Never should have got rid of my 913.
Why? I personally am not a fan of Ventus. I’ve tried the original Ventus and the TR in both 5X and 6X versions, I find them lacking in feel which leads to less consistent release. I’ve never tried the VF but overall I like the GDI shafts for smooth profile and good feel. For reference I currently game a Fuji Platinum Speeder 5X, always liked Speeder and MCA Diamana profiles for their smooth profiles. For Ian, his tempo is not abrupt. Unless you have a very quick transition at top, a smoother bend profile, especially in mid shaft and even more active tip, can provide more consistent impact due to improved feel and feedback of head.
I've just got fitter for a GT3 Driver with the Accra Sogun green shaft. Didnt find much reviews about those shafts. You guys could do a video with those shafts comparing with other 2024 shafts! :D
700$ for new driver head for incremental gain 5-10 yards is Meh IMO. You fellas have the access to get free fittings and tons of shaft selections! Great for you fellas. I will stick to my TS3 and spend hard earned dollars to something more important! Anyhow great Info as usual. 🎉🎉🎉
So if you tweaked the shaft to knock off a couple of hundred revs for the TS3, would it be just as long, you use the same shaft, but it's been tailored for the GT, would the same tailoring get similar numbers with the TS?
I agree this is interesting. The launch and spin were higher with the TS. Knock off 0.75 degrees of loft and spin and launch should come down and ball speed should go up. The difference in ballspeed would be less.. how much less.. 0.5? 1?
I would love to see the comparison between generations and between swings speeds. My suspicion is lower swing speeds and higher handicaps don't see nearly the same differences between generations and brands as higher swings speeds and lower handicaps.
Another interesting test, would to compare generations of tech so the top of line shaft and head from 10 years ago to now. How much are the performance gains from the 917 because of the Ventus and velocore
No mention of head mass. Are they all exact same? Curious if they’ve reduced mass with new head and/or redistributed the mass. If the TS & GT version have more mass from center to toe, that could help accelerate head at impact as you’re squaring face vs if the D15 has more hosel mass.
This is an interesting video, as the two older drivers mostly were struck closer to the bottom of the club face, which is definitely going to make probably 5 to 8 yards of difference in distance. Some of the strikes with the new GT driver were closer to centre which is going to give more distance naturally. so if the older drivers were struck, this test would likely be a lot closer maybe within the yard or two, and for almost $1000 CDN for a new GT driver? The new driver does look good, however, if the older drivers are struck closer to centre as the GT was, you would see very little difference, maybe a couple of yards. How about a review on the new Callaway Ai Smoke MAX TRIPLE DIAMOND driver? This is a limited edition model. I just recently purchased kind of in between the max model and the triple diamond model. I’m loving it. Great distance and launch, and extremely forgiving, considering what it is. How about putting it up against the new Titleist and some of the other brands, let’s see a bit of a comparison.
Still playing my 915D2 with a 75g X-stiff shaft set to -0.75. It’s the only driver still that I can consistently maintain 180+ ball speed. Can’t get the new stuff beyond mid-high 170s consistently.
Mickey they release new drivers to sell them, over a bigger test pool I don’t think the difference would be more than 5 yards which for people earning there living from the game, I get it. The like’s of me, money on 2 lessons a year for 5 years and keep the old driver👍 still like watching the vids tho😊
@@STrue92 for them not to test the gt series against the series right before it already tells me that the difference is not worth buying the new gt series
@@hypeNT500I think that’s going to be true in most cases. They typically recommend upgrading every 5 years or so, so this is in line with their baseline recommendation for most people.
They tested Tsi vs Tsr back when those were the newest models and saw 3 mph ball speed increase in Tsr. Granted there were definitely some caveat’s to those results and not Tsr to GT3 but I’d assume it’s something of a similar improvement
Think the format is 10 years, 5 years, current. Aligning with the notion that you should only expect big differences over 5 years. Plenty of comparisons between gt and tsr anyways
Important thing to remember though is that only applies if the older Driver actually works well. Most golfers are using Drivers that really don’t work very well for them which is why we see such large gains in the fitting bay.
On a sim yes on course, definitely not! I'm still using my 909D and it keeps up with anything still! The biggest tool you should spend money on, is yourself!!
Do you think 10 yard gains would be realized for all golfers? Or are the gains more relative to the swing speed? You gained 3% in distance. For someone hitting 200 yards, are they going to get 10 yards? Or more like 5-6 yards? Would love to see this test with a slower swinger and a higher handicapper. It might be even better for weaker golfers because forgiveness improvements are more critical for them than distance improvements on pure strikes for you.
Would like to see tsi vs gt. Im biased since i have the tsi3 but wondering if a gt fit would get me anything more. I kind of fit myself to a used tsi3 and wish i had you two here in houston, tx area. Know it would be worth the cost and just dont feel thats a guarantee with any ole fitter.
Great comparison I have a question. I have a stealth 2 plus but I can get a new qi10 LS for 400 dollars. Is it worth the money to move to the qi10 from stealth In your opinion Thank you
When you look at the standard deviation they all cross over so is there really a gain? 915 driver carries 299 with a deviation of 4 yards so could carry 303, GT3 carries 307 with a deviation of 6 so you could carry it 301 so the 2 clubs crossover. The "10 yard" gain is only on the best of your best strikes and who's doing that on every drive? @MarkCrossfield talks about this a lot when comparing tech.
So at the moment, the amount of TSR drivers going for sale on the 2nd hand market in the UK is pretty funny. You can get one for £200 from someone desperate for a GT product. There's probably little to no difference for a club golfer between the two drivers, but golfers love a shiny new name and head cover for the bag, and are willing to sell their soul for it.
Heads have made small gains using a modern shaft. But what happens if you use a ten year old shaft compared to a new shaft. I think this would show a much larger difference.
it's not a driver, but i'd like a video that might help with buying *Cheap* premium balls. Even the "cheaper" ones like Vice, still aren't cheap. it's ridiculous how much a decent ball is. And I mean for 115 swingspeed - not srixon soft feel for grandpas.
I thought the 913 was way better than the 915. Still love my tsi3 but maybe getting the tsr4. The GT doesn't look as nice but I'm curious about the new material. It's hard to test new equipment being a lefty!
When you can hit any driver 280 +. What more do you want ? Spin rate , launch angle, ball speed , etc etc You guys remember the days when PGA pros would average 275 off the tee ? Now the average golfer can bang the ball 280+. What more do you want ? If you're a weekend hacker which most of us are. Use the clubs in your bag and focus on game All the modern drivers in the last 10-15 years are pretty much the same within a few yards. Get to know your clubs and enjoy the game .
I think the 10.5 915 D2 and 9 degree Cobra SZ 460 were the best drivers I've ever hit. I hit them longer and straighter than anything I can remember. I've been a club junkie my whole golfing life. Why do we always chase better when we have something that works? 🤔
With standard deviations considered, 915 & TS3 overlap on ball speed and same for TS3 & GT3. Same goes for launch angle, spin, carry and total distance. Not really much different on these numbers from old to new....same for most drivers in the last 10 years really.
915 was a great driver with the right shaft! Brandon Bomber they called it. Also a Ping G 400 with a Fububiki K shaft was pretty good too. Played Chambers 1st time with a baby cut at 38 degrees. 73! So, if you have a little cash, why not get the best out there, I say. If golf is your passion, why not get the best driver out there for you.
i must say that iv watched many you tube golfer channels and in my opinion ian has the nicest smoothest easiest swing ofvthem all, might not be the longest but id sacrifice distant for his consistency everyday. regarding distance and club performance tho, its very disappointing to see the carries across the board on these clubs particularly the new gt3 of ave 285. i thought that was particularly low then looked at the TM sim vs stealth comparison of 9 months ago sim 164 ball 298 carry 313 total stealth 2 161 ball 290 carry 310 total now is it just me thats noticed this but not only have we reached the limit of distance but we seem to be going backward now to allow for greater forgiveness. The stealth2 offered optimal balance hence the whole 'fargiveness' campaign yet wasnt in the bag but the GT3 are lower on every level except ball speed ( but then we need to question the efficiency of its conversion of ball speed to distance) yet its in the bag. what is going on here guys..are we being duped by the marketong for us to find out next iteration well actually gt was a flop and the gt hyper model is the new benchmark. im struggling to see any performance gains in the 2024 line up..the 430 10k might appear to offer a bit more than the other ho hum same ole same ole offerings. am i missing something here!! is this the twilight zone that we are being hypnotized to accept less performance yet must fork out $600 to get this just to hv the latest head cover and be happy while in essence we have lost performance money and our minds. WTH
My son plays a 917 d2 and hits bombs .. lots of 300 yard plus drives .. he can’t hit my srixon zx5 mk2 for nothing 😂 he just will not give up my old driver
I feel as thought the most efficient and probably hottest driver done completely by A.I. is probably really "ugly"....These newer techs are probably severely limited by the constraints of trying to still look like a golf "club". Wonder what that would be.
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Nice one lads. Love the Old vs New. PING drivers up next please! G20 / G400Max / G430 10k. I fondly remember that G20.
How about that Rapture!
Pulled out my old G20... been playing it the last several rounds.😅
Would love to see the comparison against new models through the years.
Enjoy these comparison videos. I think the most important take away is not the incremental gains of each generation (as demonstrated by robots or in this case Ian normalizing all of the other variables), but that a well-fit driver of any generation will consistently beat an poorly fit driver. For me the need to change drivers has been more about changes in my physical abilities (and sometimes skill) rather than the changes in equipment technology. This is where fitting has been so helpful for me as a player and made golf much more enjoyable.
Good luck finding a fitter willing to put you into a previous gen club/shaft combo.
@@anthonygraham2667 Fair point. I was just explaining my justification for getting refit and buying new clubs when needed vs. just buying new clubs every year and expecting a big performance gain.
I’ve been playing golf for 40 years. In reality the technology has probably given us 40 yards over that period of time. Personally, I think half or more of that, is the golf ball! The biggest difference is the forgiveness. When I started playing in the mid 80’s most guys were still using wood-woods, one or two had the latest metal woods. I can remember nearly ever guy pulling out 3 wood to the tee box. If you pulled out your one wood, your were definitely feeling confident! That old saying “you’ve hit that straight out of the screws” was a real saying.
I think what helped the 915 was the new shaft! Play the original shaft in the 915 and you’ll see a huge difference! Nice work boys !
It would great to see you do this with Cobra. From no one looking at them to one of the best.
do the all time greats against the current! 2016 M2 vs qi10, G400 vs 10k, epic max ls vs AI, Cobra LTDxLS vs DS...
I have a G400 Max with stock shaft and decided to get a shaft fitting last week and gained 30 yards! I had them put in a g430 10K head on this new shaft and the difference wasn't significant enough to get the new driver. I love my g400 max head. I find the turbulators on the g430 10k stick out more and a little distracting at address. lol For the curious, it'll be the Accra GX blue shaft. Liked it so much I'm replacing my g400 5 wood (ping tour shaft) with a g430 max 5 wood with Accra GX blue shaft also. ;)
Still have my old 910d3 8.5° gets out there just as far as anything else.
Nice compact shape.
Have you ever compared it to a modern driver on a range or a trackman? Asking as I've just upgraded from a 909 D2 to a TS3 myself. Mainly for forgiveness rather than distance but I did wonder if it's even worth a few hundred notes upgrade if distance only is the goal.
I had a 910 D3 that was in my bag from 2011 until 2020 when I got fitted for a TSi3.
Both heads were around 9.5 loft + had OG Diamana Kaili 7x and I increased ball speed from 172 to 179 on average (8-10 balls).
New heads are faster across the face and way more stable.
@@bobb3rdown676 How many rounds per year are you playing? On average, how many times per round are you hitting driver? What is your swing speed? Are you also at driving range w/driver? How often?
I ask this because ime, driver heads don’t last that long. This is particularly true of earlier titanium face drivers. I never had a 910 but I had the 975 and 909D3, my only Titleist drivers prior to my current TSR3. Both of those Titleist drivers I cracked the face within 2 seasons of playing average 50 rounds annually. I had same issues with various GBB Ti and XHot drivers. I had the original Sim that went nearly 3 full years before something broke internally; it had a rattle noise but face was still intact. The only drivers I’ve never had fail is a Mizuno JPX900 and my TSR3.
Next released driver....The Mach - GT - AI - Rad - Space Shuttle - Supersonic - High Launch Low Spin - Drain your bank account into ours - 6 degree - Hexagonal shaped driver. It adds 1 yard of distance and $700 into our pockets. Buy it now! (free head cover included)
Titleist doesn’t release drivers every year. Womp Womp
No one is forcing you to buy it though , lol.
@@ariesnc6320 Enjoy wasting your money. This video is literally proof. 10 year old driver. Dead nuts straight. 300 yards.
Taylor made R5 TP tour issue 8.9⁰ with grafalloy NT prototype s flex shaft . 441/2 inch and D1 swing weight.
It was the club I hit the furthest and straightest in my life and some lowlife stole it . 😢
@@rjpimprov Good Job! Everyone seems to drive the ball 300 yards these days, lol.
Am gaming the 917D3 with a Hzardus Smoke 6.0 shaft. Still love the feel, shape and flight of it. And its the straightest driver i have ever played which is revelation. Greta vid lads. Thanks from a fan in NZ
Really well done guys. I appreciate you getting the club speeds close so you can be more comfortable outlining the similarities/differences. I've given feedback about that in the past. Coincidently, I'm doing a driver fitting this week looking to see if there is one better suited than my TM Sim 2. GT series is on the list. Great job!
Nice video. 915 D3 was a good all rounder, but everyone’s head was turned by SLDR. I am looking forwards to testing the new versions tomorrow.
Always a fan of new vs old comparisons!
Nice review guys. I've been using a TS3 for about 4 years now, i do like the driver, but not crazy about the shape. I've been looking at the Qi10, but will hit the GT3 this week. My ball speed is 147-151, carry around 244 on the monitor. Currently have a Tensai S 55g shaft, but like the Diamana in the Qi10. I hit one 264 carry a couple of times w Qi10 LS version, but would probably get the std Qi driver if I were to buy it. Gotta try the GT !
I would love to see the Srixon drivers compared! Thanks Lads this series has been really fun to see the past again!
Nice one guys, can't do Ping without G400 Max a.k.a The Goat
Good test lads. I’ve just come out of the 915 D3 after 10 yrs and into the 10K. Demo’d the TSR when it came out and saw a 5 yard gain with little difference in forgiveness. The 915 lives in the shed now. Still not ready to divorce it just yet. Played with a 79 yr old pro a couple of wks ago (30 yrs older than me) who out drove me with his Ping 410!! Would love to see that comparison if you get a chance
GT3 is the best driver I have ever hit!! I gamed the TSr3, gained ball speed, but missed too many fairways. Awesome stuff!!
Great video and you didn't manage to break it...😆
i know you mentioned how stable it would be in the wind, however, when the wind is howling on Shiskine GC i would love to see how it performs. My Motocaddy S1 has gone over a few times in a strong crosswind.
Seems like this has become the Titleist channel as of last. Love the idea of 10 years, 5 years back with wedges. Seems that is a club that really hasn't changed.
@@Bogeypro256 firstly the channel is always hot with whatever is new and what’s in our bags. Before our fitting video last week the previous video that involved a Titleist club was a month ago. You can’t test old vs new wedges unless you have old wedges that are in new condition. That’s just an unfair test, wedges degrade far quicker than any other club in the bag.
I had my 915d3 9.5 for 10 years. Had it when it first came out. Finally switched to the tsr4 9 degree. It was the hardest switch in the bag because the 915, I knew where it was going 100% of the time. I could pull it out and just swing it and it’ll go. I have 120-122SS, smash factor 1.49-1.50 and I would carry the 915 300+. But sometimes, I’ll catch high spinners even with center hits which would cause my ball to spin 3500 instead of 2100. Even had the OG ck pro white 6tx. The tsr4 is a true spin killer. Haven’t had ball balloon up in spin and flight.
Maybe not for an excellent golfer like yourself, but I've seen a noticeable difference with customers here in my bay with older drivers and newer ones on off center hits, a lot more spin with the olders ones and wider dispersion
yeah I tried my buddies TSR3 and my TS3 side by side. Got 20 yards more with the newer driver on a toe strike
I'd love for y'all to evolve on this concept. It's fun to see how much the generations have changed, but the real crux to this question is - what thing should we upgrade to get the biggest bang for the buck; is it the shaft or the driver head?
Would love to see a video where you test two shafts and two heads to see if a new shaft or a new head (or a combo of both) is needed to really move the needle.
Enjoy watching these as it shows there’s no need to rush and buy the most recently launched equipment that’s hiked in price and doesn’t always offer substantially different results. Now do the ping G series starting with the G400!!
Upgrading from a 975d to a Qi10 a few months back, after a long break from the game. Adds only around 10 yards comparing clean hits, despite being 25 years apart. There's 10x more clean hits with the modern driver though, so average distance works out way higher.
I love the comment dogging on the 917. Least favorite driver i have hit. I bought 917 D2 after having a load of success with my 913D2. Bought same head specs and everything. Tried all I could to love it but that thing was a brick. Never should have got rid of my 913.
Love this series and love the Ventus GT3 Setup for Ian. Glad to see the GD VF on the bench.
Why? I personally am not a fan of Ventus. I’ve tried the original Ventus and the TR in both 5X and 6X versions, I find them lacking in feel which leads to less consistent release. I’ve never tried the VF but overall I like the GDI shafts for smooth profile and good feel. For reference I currently game a Fuji Platinum Speeder 5X, always liked Speeder and MCA Diamana profiles for their smooth profiles.
For Ian, his tempo is not abrupt. Unless you have a very quick transition at top, a smoother bend profile, especially in mid shaft and even more active tip, can provide more consistent impact due to improved feel and feedback of head.
Would love to see this video with sim max (1) /stealth/qi10. It feels like taylormade really went controversial with changes between models
Great info!!! Would be great to see this with Cobra, Taylormade, Callaway, etc. May not be good for selling new equipment….
Please test the 909 D3 against it!!! That driver was one of my favorite ever!!! 8.5. Voodoo X Flex. Sssooo good
I have a callaway x hot pro driver from 2013 and still play it. Callaway next would be cool to see!
I've just got fitter for a GT3 Driver with the Accra Sogun green shaft. Didnt find much reviews about those shafts. You guys could do a video with those shafts comparing with other 2024 shafts! :D
Man, if you do Ping… Would love to see the G430 Max 10k vs. G400 Max vs. G20 or G30
10000% yes to this. I still remember my G20 as being a great driver.....
700$ for new driver head for incremental gain 5-10 yards is Meh IMO. You fellas have the access to get free fittings and tons of shaft selections! Great for you fellas. I will stick to my TS3 and spend hard earned dollars to something more important! Anyhow great Info as usual. 🎉🎉🎉
So if you tweaked the shaft to knock off a couple of hundred revs for the TS3, would it be just as long, you use the same shaft, but it's been tailored for the GT, would the same tailoring get similar numbers with the TS?
I agree this is interesting. The launch and spin were higher with the TS. Knock off 0.75 degrees of loft and spin and launch should come down and ball speed should go up. The difference in ballspeed would be less.. how much less.. 0.5? 1?
A review of Mizuno drivers would be interesting, given how much emphasis they have put on it being better now
This is a good one for me! Still gaming the 915 D3!
I would love to see the comparison between generations and between swings speeds. My suspicion is lower swing speeds and higher handicaps don't see nearly the same differences between generations and brands as higher swings speeds and lower handicaps.
Another interesting test, would to compare generations of tech so the top of line shaft and head from 10 years ago to now. How much are the performance gains from the 917 because of the Ventus and velocore
Speed has so much to do with a lot of the tech these days.
No mention of head mass. Are they all exact same? Curious if they’ve reduced mass with new head and/or redistributed the mass.
If the TS & GT version have more mass from center to toe, that could help accelerate head at impact as you’re squaring face vs if the D15 has more hosel mass.
This is an interesting video, as the two older drivers mostly were struck closer to the bottom of the club face, which is definitely going to make probably 5 to 8 yards of difference in distance. Some of the strikes with the new GT driver were closer to centre which is going to give more distance naturally. so if the older drivers were struck, this test would likely be a lot closer maybe within the yard or two, and for almost $1000 CDN for a new GT driver? The new driver does look good, however, if the older drivers are struck closer to centre as the GT was, you would see very little difference, maybe a couple of yards. How about a review on the new Callaway Ai Smoke MAX TRIPLE DIAMOND driver? This is a limited edition model. I just recently purchased kind of in between the max model and the triple diamond model. I’m loving it. Great distance and launch, and extremely forgiving, considering what it is. How about putting it up against the new Titleist and some of the other brands, let’s see a bit of a comparison.
Still playing my 915D2 with a 75g X-stiff shaft set to -0.75. It’s the only driver still that I can consistently maintain 180+ ball speed. Can’t get the new stuff beyond mid-high 170s consistently.
Love to see cobra too. I play an F9 ( sorry not fit it was a gift)
Gotta bookmark this one. As a new owner of a TSI1 ( gotta great deal on barely used demo) am very curious to see cross gen differences
Mickey they release new drivers to sell them, over a bigger test pool I don’t think the difference would be more than 5 yards which for people earning there living from the game, I get it. The like’s of me, money on 2 lessons a year for 5 years and keep the old driver👍 still like watching the vids tho😊
i have that greyson polo ian is wearing lol nice!
I know why they can't/don't but would love to see this comparison with a TSI3 or TSR3 in there as well.
Would love to see that as well. Doubt there would be much of a difference, especially with TSR3.
@@STrue92 for them not to test the gt series against the series right before it already tells me that the difference is not worth buying the new gt series
@@hypeNT500I think that’s going to be true in most cases. They typically recommend upgrading every 5 years or so, so this is in line with their baseline recommendation for most people.
They tested Tsi vs Tsr back when those were the newest models and saw 3 mph ball speed increase in Tsr. Granted there were definitely some caveat’s to those results and not Tsr to GT3 but I’d assume it’s something of a similar improvement
Think the format is 10 years, 5 years, current. Aligning with the notion that you should only expect big differences over 5 years. Plenty of comparisons between gt and tsr anyways
Love this series ❤
Pretty close stat wise.
I’d love to see u hit a J33 Bridgestone but compare it to what?
Club champion Melbourne just put me into the new gt2. ‘Twas a great fitting
Callaway or Cobra next please.
Both companies had beast drivers in 2019 and would be hard to beat.
SOLD - I think I am going to look for an old 915 driver and fairway set!
Great video. I'd like point out one thing. If Ian's speed makes 8 yards diff, ave speed player will gain less. haha.
Important thing to remember though is that only applies if the older Driver actually works well. Most golfers are using Drivers that really don’t work very well for them which is why we see such large gains in the fitting bay.
@@clubchampionmedia Totally agreed. I am bad enought to make my fitted driver not working next week. haha. Thank you!!!
Cobra be cool to see from then til now
On a sim yes on course, definitely not! I'm still using my 909D and it keeps up with anything still! The biggest tool you should spend money on, is yourself!!
If there's one takeaway from this video, it is that the standard deviation of Titleist drivers has always been solid.
Nothing beats my Cleveland VAS driver
lmao I remember those irons when Corey Pavin played them
Do you think 10 yard gains would be realized for all golfers? Or are the gains more relative to the swing speed? You gained 3% in distance. For someone hitting 200 yards, are they going to get 10 yards? Or more like 5-6 yards? Would love to see this test with a slower swinger and a higher handicapper. It might be even better for weaker golfers because forgiveness improvements are more critical for them than distance improvements on pure strikes for you.
Guys with the new GT3 what’s the difference between the Tensei 1K Pro Blue and the 1K Blue Driver shafts?
Thanks
Would like to see tsi vs gt. Im biased since i have the tsi3 but wondering if a gt fit would get me anything more. I kind of fit myself to a used tsi3 and wish i had you two here in houston, tx area. Know it would be worth the cost and just dont feel thats a guarantee with any ole fitter.
Great comparison I have a question. I have a stealth 2 plus but I can get a new qi10 LS for 400 dollars. Is it worth the money to move to the qi10 from stealth In your opinion Thank you
Put a lower spinning shaft in the 915 and it will go the same distance as the GT
Interesting to see you hit up on the TS3 the most and hit up the least on GT3 yet the GT3 spun less than the TS3 hence the extra distance.
When you look at the standard deviation they all cross over so is there really a gain? 915 driver carries 299 with a deviation of 4 yards so could carry 303, GT3 carries 307 with a deviation of 6 so you could carry it 301 so the 2 clubs crossover. The "10 yard" gain is only on the best of your best strikes and who's doing that on every drive? @MarkCrossfield talks about this a lot when comparing tech.
Standard deviation? Now that’s a new excuse I can use on the course! 😊
So at the moment, the amount of TSR drivers going for sale on the 2nd hand market in the UK is pretty funny. You can get one for £200 from someone desperate for a GT product. There's probably little to no difference for a club golfer between the two drivers, but golfers love a shiny new name and head cover for the bag, and are willing to sell their soul for it.
PXG would be good as it’s been reported there was a big difference in there driver line up performance as they just got better at it
Heads have made small gains using a modern shaft. But what happens if you use a ten year old shaft compared to a new shaft. I think this would show a much larger difference.
What shaft? I see it's a 2024 ventus blue, but what weight and stiffness?
it's not a driver, but i'd like a video that might help with buying *Cheap* premium balls. Even the "cheaper" ones like Vice, still aren't cheap. it's ridiculous how much a decent ball is. And I mean for 115 swingspeed - not srixon soft feel for grandpas.
I thought the 913 was way better than the 915. Still love my tsi3 but maybe getting the tsr4. The GT doesn't look as nice but I'm curious about the new material. It's hard to test new equipment being a lefty!
When you can hit any driver 280 +. What more do you want ? Spin rate , launch angle, ball speed , etc etc You guys remember the days when PGA pros would average 275 off the tee ? Now the average golfer can bang the ball 280+. What more do you want ? If you're a weekend hacker which most of us are. Use the clubs in your bag and focus on game All the modern drivers in the last 10-15 years are pretty much the same within a few yards. Get to know your clubs and enjoy the game .
I’m still playing 915 hybrids and 917 fairways
I think the 10.5 915 D2 and 9 degree Cobra SZ 460 were the best drivers I've ever hit. I hit them longer and straighter than anything I can remember. I've been a club junkie my whole golfing life. Why do we always chase better when we have something that works? 🤔
Callaway with a Maverick head would be sweet lads
Please do callaway rogue st max paradym and ai smoke max 🎉
Not much in it. Good vid boys
were the swingweights all the same?
I’d love you to do that with Ping drivers
Curious to see if Mizunos got better...
As someone who still plays the 907D2 from when I was 16... I feel like it might be time to move on lol
Too bad you didn’t go back to the 983k which is what I am currently using 😂
With standard deviations considered, 915 & TS3 overlap on ball speed and same for TS3 & GT3. Same goes for launch angle, spin, carry and total distance. Not really much different on these numbers from old to new....same for most drivers in the last 10 years really.
Put 2 or 3g of melt on the crown. To thud out the 915 crown
These tests just proved what everyone was thinking. 1 yard per year. I'll keep my Sim2 for at least another 10 years as long as the face holds up.
Ping would be interesting to see
Do the Pings!
You just make my day sir❤
915 was a great driver with the right shaft!
Brandon Bomber they called it.
Also a Ping G 400 with a Fububiki K shaft was pretty good too. Played Chambers 1st time with a baby cut at 38 degrees. 73!
So, if you have a little cash, why not get the best out there, I say.
If golf is your passion, why not get the best driver out there for you.
Cobra is selling Aerojet drivers now for only $250 on their website. Better off buying that then any current gen drivers
LTDx LS brand new for $180 USD
Aerojet was a downgrade from LDTX imo. DS is solid
@@danielmiller8350 I upgraded from Radspeed XB and can’t believe the ball flight and forgiveness.
The TS3 w/ a tipped Ventus black 7x is the best Titleist setup I’ve had.
i must say that iv watched many you tube golfer channels and in my opinion ian has the nicest smoothest easiest swing ofvthem all, might not be the longest but id sacrifice distant for his consistency everyday.
regarding distance and club performance tho, its very disappointing to see the carries across the board on these clubs particularly the new gt3 of ave 285. i thought that was particularly low then looked at the TM sim vs stealth comparison of 9 months ago
sim 164 ball 298 carry 313 total
stealth 2 161 ball 290 carry 310 total
now is it just me thats noticed this but not only have we reached the limit of distance but we seem to be going backward now to allow for greater forgiveness.
The stealth2 offered optimal balance hence the whole 'fargiveness' campaign yet wasnt in the bag but the GT3 are lower on every level except ball speed ( but then we need to question the efficiency of its conversion of ball speed to distance) yet its in the bag.
what is going on here guys..are we being duped by the marketong for us to find out next iteration well actually gt was a flop and the gt hyper model is the new benchmark.
im struggling to see any performance gains in the 2024 line up..the 430 10k might appear to offer a bit more than the other ho hum same ole same ole offerings.
am i missing something here!! is this the twilight zone that we are being hypnotized to accept less performance yet must fork out $600 to get this just to hv the latest head cover and be happy while in essence we have lost performance money and our minds. WTH
Still nothing or nobody can fit me and get close to my PXG 0811 Gen2 XF fitted with Accra shaft.
Man...$100/yard lol. Maybe I'll have a smash with my old 7.5º 915 D3
My son plays a 917 d2 and hits bombs .. lots of 300 yard plus drives .. he can’t hit my srixon zx5 mk2 for nothing 😂 he just will not give up my old driver
Do Cobra og Ltd, speedzone, darkspeed
At a 5 or 6 yard increase, this would cost £100 per yard to switch to new GT driver in Scotland.😢
Somebody was asked: how much are you willing to pay for 5 yard gain? The answer: I would tell you, but my wife would learn about it.
So essentially 100 dollars per yard ? That’s assuming we have your ability and speed. Does that make sense?
10 years almost since the start of TXG?
Cobra next ?
Should have tsr3 in the test to
I feel as thought the most efficient and probably hottest driver done completely by A.I.
is probably really "ugly"....These newer techs are probably severely limited by the constraints of trying to still look like a golf "club".
Wonder what that would be.