The Philosophy of Death Note - What Is Justice? - Wisecrack Edition
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- Death Note is all about justice, but what exactly is it trying to say? In this Wisecrack Edition, we'll dive into Death Note's unique exploration of justice, injustice, and potato chips. Join us as we explore the philosophies of Light, L and more.
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Written by: Claire Pickard
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I like how Light didn’t have an abusive backstory to try to justify his mentality. They just make him a blank slate and the audience needs to decide for themselves.
Yeah just a depressing mindset 🤣
Kira is the personification of the ideal japanese teen.
@@noventaporcento how?
It actually tells you more about our society, we, the usual citizen, usually feels justice is an eye for an eye or that feeling of wrath against criminals wishing we could kill them. (not me just a regular person)
Actually i don't think L or light was a hero they both did bad things to get what they want
Waitress: What do you want for drinks?
Light: Just ice
ahhh, I cannot believe I just got that, very funny, I like that joke
Sounds like it was stolen from a Batman joke, but simply rebranded... Still it's funny.
Oh.....i get it
And give me a coca cola light with just ice.
Greysen Walsh
xD
If Kira wins- he is good; If Kira is caught- he is evil. Speaks mountains about society.
Justice is best served without bloodshed.
Near won cause hes justice...he doesn't let emotion get in his way he rationalizes everything...to him kira is evil ….near himself never does anything evil like mello did or L would if he had to...near to me is a rational person.even L was a little too psycho and obsessive due to the bb murder case which also led him to shinigami aka the prequel manga and he wanted to be closer to light cause he saw how similar they were and how good he was at avoiding capture cause L did not have all the information and thus overvalued light's brain not realizing he had help ..near did not care about anything but finishing the puzzle..heck he didnt even care about beating mello like mello did...which is why mello helps him at the end...
History is always written by the winners
(before reading in not here to start a Giant war between 2 types of thoughts..discusssion is fine.. not "U DONT VELUEVE ME WELL THEN UR A DICK"..or childish stuff like that...if you are a childish person...move on dont Read..i made this text to show why i think justice is good..not to transfer u to justice) i disagree.. to let someone life that has robber...sure...theres this thing called "learning from ur mistakes"...but as a murderer...there is no learning what u did was wrong...its not mistaken for less bad..everyone knows murder is bad... Meaning if they cant learn it is bad..bc they already know if is..there is no "hé learned now Lets forgive him".. there is a point where people shoudnt be allowed to "have a wonderful life and go into a beautifull future that they deserve"...because they make innocent people beg and cry for mercy making Them want to die.. wich shoudnt be rewarded with a chance of beautifull life getting away with it.. sure bloodshed is bad.. but what about the little girl that got raped and murdered?.. that isnt bad?.. hes allowed to life like nothing happened as if that 5 year of girl doesn't matter hé killed her do hé deserves a beautifull life?..no.. Just no.. that's Just me tho.....now i dont vote for Kira eather...hé would kill a robber...wich isnt that bad of a crime..but i dont believe u should reward someone with a wonderful future when hé had ruined that of one other.. hé takes it...means hé deserves it less... And should give it back to the dead person..not be rewarded with the forgiveness and wonderful life for his HORRIE crime
But most effective and fastiest way is by bloodshed
Near never cared about justice. All that mattered to him is that Kira was a murderer.
After watching the show I was always fascinated of how the show basically lets the viewer decide who is right and wrong
how exactly?
@@theinvincible278 It never gives you a concrete answer on what justice is.
For example matsuda.Dude is representation of the viewers minds.Constantly going back and forth.Is L justice.Is kira justice?
Aleksa Milosevic it seems like tge show itself doesn't know what justice is, so they chose to let you figure it out on your own.
I mean kira is wrong but his original logic in episodes 1-2 is not I will say that...episode 3 is where he goes off the rails and betrays what he stands for cause hes finally challenged on his philosophy forgetting about how humanity has decided to deal with crime and punishment...aka using jail and trials and making a job out of defending or opposing criminals....and he knew all along where this would lead he relished being a god of morality cause ryuk states if you kill with the book you have to keep writing names yet light chooses to use it anyways and it paints the book as corrupting and light manipulates and kills innocents and he makes mistakes constantly as a kid would and gets bailed out by bs magic but you can sorta understand his initial reasoning for using the notebook...but stuff like killing L on live t.v. out of anger was a mistake cause it proved not only that he existed and could kill people instantly but that he needed newspaper t.v. or computers to show him who was a convict since the guy who posed as L was someone about to be executed they got to play L promising to not execute him if he survived and he agreed to but his execution was kept secret from the public so kira didn't know about it and fell for his plan that narrowed him down to a region in japan instead of possibly the entire world...or when he kills ray pember an innocent man that was going to stop following him after being told to thinking he was not kira that light out of anxious fear killed which made L even more suspicious of him that pretty much made him the only suspect and thus got him to committ more murders of innocent people..plus ryuk from day 1 states he will end up writing light's name in his notebook so in the end this will lea to his end so hes kind a martyr in the end and accepts it anyways..he also has a god complex and fears being caught so yeah hes not really correct..but yes in the end the original idea of is killing bad people wrong is up for interpretation and not answered as justice is whoever wins so near and L won so in the end ther side of thinking which is the standard normalcy we have chosen to live under in the free world is upheld....but the person who is kira's morality is not up for debate.. hes evil...and what he did in the end to cover his ass is also evil..killing innocents just cause they will catch him is wrong..he should be okay after 5 years getting caught..he did real good in the world...at least in japan...but hes far gone..its about being a god not doing good anymore..he feels being challenged after changing the meaning of what true justice is, is insulting to him
They probably just leave it up to the people who's watching it to decide on what's your type of justice they believe in. leaving the moral obligation up to the viewers that's why I find it funny when people try to use previous philosophers just because they may be right, why people not trying to figure your moral stance by not letting you be swayed by other people's beliefs.
Thank goodness "N" and "M" got the job done for "L". Would've hated for "O" and "P" to get involved.
EBryant They might be too OP for Light. XD!
These comments😂
im nh.
and im going to stop trump!!!
I am justice!!
😂😂but also dead serious,about the first 2 lines.
EBryant They would probably be... *OP!* Pls nerf
“ man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth “
Oscar Wilde
One of the most true quotes in history
You just unintentionally explained the personality of Lelouch in Code Geass. Amazing 👏👏
@Abrar Mohammad The quote says that a man never reveals his real dark side until he is given a mask which hides his identity.
Not Death Note but man putting that into perspective with Persona 5's story is so good.
Oscar Wilde has the best quotes ever
I liked how Light eyes and to an extent his face changes when he forgets everything about the death note
Epic profile picture btw
It looks less serious and tense and the eyes look more round and soft
More sparkle
I would also like to mention when Light has that “good look” like in episode 1 or 2 I forget and in the episodes he lost his memories with that look. It feels like a different show something about it other than the look it’s just different.
Yes
He actually look younger somehow
L was straight up crazy: “I have something to tell you... I AM L”
nah its still a pro gamer move if you think about it, because just as light said it doesnt let him put ryozaki in the death note since if he accidentally thinks of the popstar or whatever light is the first person to be suspected
Lol!
@Ohsew tbh I think L was way smarter then Light. I';m not saying Light was dumb, not in the slightest, he was very smart about what he did. But considering the disadvantages L faced, I am relatively sure he would've won if the roles were reversed
L had some serious balls pulling this move. But as a master detective, this pursuit of kira is a chess game to him. This moment was basically a pro gamer move
Overrated, poop anime move
I always thought Ryun represented the viewer. He is always hanging out in the back and watching. He's bored and just wants to be entertained. Seems like the same reasons I'm watching the story. His screwed up appearance represents how screwed up it is we are enjoying this killing spree.
jimmy bobby i still don't get why no one talks about that.
Ooh. Maybeeeeee those occasional times he helps Light may represent how the readers might impact the author's decisions? And when he kills Light in the end, that's the readers losing interest?
I don’t know about you, but I watch the show for the battle between 2 (or 4) intellectual titans.
+Data Raven
What's your point?
jimmy bobby Ryuk*
Death note is a story about :
J , K , L, M & N.
And J(Justice) always comes first before everyone.
Underrated comment.
🤯
@Astrid I am 15 and this is deep
@@debarjandatta2170 i am 16 and this is billie eilish
@@beastedninja3757 I'm 17 and I'm Kira
You left out possibly the most philosophical question of the whole show. Before Matsuda kills light, Light asks him "what are you going to do, kill me? Is that REALLY the right thing to do?" I love this line because not only does it point out lights obvious hypocrisy, but it also illustrates Matsudas. By killing light, it only shows that lights vision of justice has merit after all, and that Matsuda has just done what lights been doing, the very thing he's been hunting for years. The climax of the show is an interesting paradox as well. Killing is wrong, but killing light would save a lot of people, but Light killing criminals would also save a lot of (innocent) people. Someone has to die, and that in itself basically highlights humanity's deceit, like you were saying in the beginning, justice only matters when we are being scrutinized or at risk of being judged by our peers.
Yeah I really disliked that no one ever points that out
The hard truth is that like with most things, our nature is what true justice is. Everything else is an additive that came from men who wanted control, power, influence or functionality in society. At our most basic, every living thing has the same justice system. Assuming they have a working mind and emotions to help. That justice is that if you hurt me then i hurt you the same way. If you hurt me fatally and therefore i can do nothing about it, then someone else has to come and do the same to you. That is original, biological human justice. The passage of time has created many things that were not part of our initial mind as a species. Law as justice being one of them. Other examples include food that hurts us more than organic food does, hormone blockers that stop our bodies natural formation simply because of the way we think about ourselves and maybe in the future, like in dystopian films, we wont even have natural births anymore. It is my belief that having a brain as evolved as humans comes at a price. Every positive has to have a negative side too. Sure, we can think, adapt, improve and grow as a species. But it is also this same growth that hurts us in the long run. It is no wonder that places like dubai are much safer to live in than the paragons of morality that are western europe and the US. Tradition doesn't have it's merits because our ancestors were smarter... It has merits because we were more in line with our biological roots.
i still think Light was right I know that he had killed criminals but did u see how greatly affected their world was by Light it could've possibly became a righteous world why would anyone commit a crime if they know some has the ability to kill them with a notebook and pen? only mistake he did was stay in the task force even when L died
@@Insananity_ i agree with you, especially in the context of the show. By the end, it said that crime had been reduced to virtually being nonexistent. He did some really shitty things to get there, but in the grand scheme, imagine the billions of people that benefited from living in a crime free world.
@@DennGreenIII yeah death note really is one of the best anime i always doubted it cause of it being old but i should have known better
"Laws aren't perfect because humans who created laws aren't perfect. It's impossible to be perfect. However,laws are evidence of the human's struggle to be righteous."- Soichiro Yagami.
There is just one problem with laws. They are made by people with agendas, more than a few people working together to decide what is right. But amidst those discussions may come personal experiences, interests etc. On the one hand these things make the laws applicable to many moralities, but on the other hand they completely remove the "taboo" option. For example, laws on incarceration and execution all are based on preventability and reform. If someone does not represent a continued risk for society then the law is more lenient on them... But this only accounts for the logical and rational part of morality. Most laws fail to include personal stakes in them, if a parent loses a child to murder then the lawmakers cannot apply rationality and simply give a rational sentence. A rational sentence does nothing for the family that was affected, it mostly helps others that are yet to be affected.
I love how they see the importance of Matsuda and him denouncing the philosophies of both Light and L and has the one thing Light and L clearly lack which is empathy which is not always considered when talking about justice
666melodeath666 Matsuda is the character who is saying what the viewer is thinking. What's justice if people can only see their own point of view and disregard all the people suffering and terrified in their ideal world.
Empathy is the reason the world is the way it is today if all criminals were excuted the crime rate woudlnt have been no where as high as it is now
No limit Nathan I think you missed the whole point of Death Note and this video and you probably agree with Kira that all criminals should die
666melodeath666 I do agree with light it would lead to a better world
Matsuda's logic has been pushed aside by Ide towards the end of Death Note (manga). Matsuda, questioned whether the world without Kira is "better" and still believed and supported that "Kira is Justice" with his reasoning. But, Ide told him that if N didn't stopped Kira and Kira succeeded in creating his "Justice World", Matsuda and all the other investigation members will be killed under Kira's Death Note (to silence them all for once in their doubt of Kira). Thus, if Kira is alive and Matsuda is killed under Kira in his version of world, although Matsuda is not by any means a criminal in Kira's standard, does that make Kira a better option in performing justice on others? The answer is "Kira is not justice" and the world he created (if he won) is an oppression of people's personal opinion of what justice supposed to be applied since only Kira's justice is the real one (not the police, not the people). L was saying this the first time around, so was N later on.
the background score of death note is addictive...anyone agree..
Especially L's theme
I think whenever L made some conclusions or explained his thoughts, there was this music playing that reminded me of the music that played in the game Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward when there was an explanation (might have already been in 9 hours 9 persons 9 doors, though I'm not sure). Maybe the creators of VLR took note from Death Note (since Death Note was released earlier), I don't know. All I can say is that I had pleasing flashbacks to VLR and enjoyed the music of Death Note even more because of it.
True. Especially these three:
-L's theme
-Near's theme
-Potato chip scene theme (Low of Solipsism)
Shinigami Kai b l’s theme
The first like ten OST of the disc1 of Death Note ost are straight up masterpiece.
In the shows many of them are overshadowed by L's theme and the choral stuff, but there are actually really good guitar themes there.
In manga's last chapter it was mentioned that the crime rate have increased like how it was before kira
Maybe Kira could have written that people improved teir justice system and all criminals were punished. This could have solved all of te problems. No grey areas just good.
@@mayankbisht7691 but he has to target specific ppl so this general rule would not work
@divyanshu pandey Not really. You take a life, I don't think there's much capacity for anything else. Your actions speak louder than words. They can do good, doesn't mean they are when they took something priceless. And you say human as if it's a instant "you don't deserve to die" card for them.
@@MahouShoujo-Studios it's rarely so simple, there are very few actual psychopaths, most murderers take life either because they were brought up in an environment where they didn't develop empathy or were taught to ignore it, or because they were afraid that their own life would be taken, in any case, it could still be possible to rehabilitate them. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind
Proof that we need to tackle crime, not criminals. Crime is caused by socioeconomic or societal problems. Very few people are actually born criminals.
"No I can't laugh now, their all gonna die in 40 seconds"
Yee
*they‘re
How people still think hes a hero by that episode is stunning
"cake snarfing sherlock holmes" i was watching this show thinking "Light isn't going to kill L. Diabetus will."
Ani0227
L: I burn calories with my mind
Light: *what?*
Well, I mean, L did die of a heart attack...
all I saw in that was "L. Diabetus, sugar decetive"
Consequence haha
Haha true!
If Kira just stayed silent...
So, remember, people, if you do justice by your own hands, don't brag about it.
Yes if he remained silent then maybe he could get saved in some way.
@@Crinjal_2611 its not possible but he could have eradicated 99% if he lived a full life kinda like a hand sanitizer killing jerms
Then he wouldn't be one of my favourite characters
yea thats what i thought. light could just kill of criminals after criminals and if he didnt communicate with the public no one wouldve ever gotten a clue who he was
Nah, in the anime Kira(Light) himself says he wants to be feared. He wants the world to know that Kira exists and that he can kill anyone as long as his face is seen and his name is known. That is why the first few attacks were all heart-attacks of criminals, he wanted everyone to know it wasn't a coincidence.
Can we just appreciate how smart Light is like holy shit dude he lost his memories of the death note and yet still won by regaining the death note
The only mistake was Mikami's little brain
He did some fuck ups doe
He got affected by L's first trap and revealed his location
And yet at the end of the day, it was his own pride that killed him.
L is a lot smarter. L has more burdens, and a big disadvantage because he had to provide proof to catch Kira.
If it was just a battle of which is smarter, L won the game from the start, or at least when he first captured Light.
@@anthonyberry2524 Never said he wasnt he definitely was
Yea so when they said "I am justice" there was a grammar detail. In Japanese, there are some points that you can emphasize through words. When Yagami says "I am justice" he uses "boku" which carries the emphasis on "I" but when L says "I am justice" he does not use it, so the emphasis stays on the "justice"
Both "boku" and "watashi" (which is what L uses) basically mean the same. "Boku" is used by males, mostly in casual conversation. "Watashi" is the formal 'I' used in polite language, it's the one taught in schools. If L was supposed to be a foreigner, it'd make sense to use 'Watashi'.
Interesting... That's something that doesn't really translate into other languages.
It’s the same dude, just L speaks formal Japanese and Light speaks in a casual form.
Thats not really accurate! It was just L using more formal japanese compared to the actual Japanese dude ( Light). The pronouns they used for themselves were different but that’s about it, they were saying the exact same thing lmao
I know I'm late but the author said L isn't fully Japanese so maybe that's why he speaks a bit different. maybe Japanese is a second language to him
Take a shot every time they say "JUSTICE"
543297 does in justice count bitch boy
nah... it's easier to count "delete, delete, delete" lol
God that's just as bad as the Stephen king game. Good luck
You'd destroy your liver before the video's over
No way, I'll die from alcohol poisoning.
The winner is justice, simple
Wrong. The winner is JUSTICE
@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 when injustice wins it becomes Justice
@@astreoceane4808 injustice is a tool for justice.
@@HO1ySh33t so there is only justice in the world
It's not.
Winner=winner. Nothing more, nothing less.
Injustice can win, just as justice can, we as human beings do are incapable of providing true justice in the world, because we all are like Kira and L. We put our justice as the only one and true justice, but in the end, if we win, we can only provide our point of view.
Kira would be justice, only if he would kill himself at the end of his goal of providing "new world ruled by justice". Because killing people is an injustice, and if we want to be honest, we would have to bring our injustice selfs to provide true justice.
L would be justice, only if he would stand in face of all people, who now suffer due to acts of criminals who brought on them the pain because Kira couldn't kill them as L is responsible for stopping him.
Crazy huh? That is why we as people do not have ANY RIGHT to preach about what is justice and what is not.
I never agreed with Kira but I think the reason why the US government was so determined to end him was because he ended and prevented wars and conflicts lol.
When light killed the known criminals in governments, then the second waves of elite will just govern in secret. Without news reporting on it, who knows ep stin has a pedo island? In any case with or without L, the elite will find out Light kills criminals using the news, then within months, the news will be justice, just like reality right now. All back to normal, just more efficient in cancelling people the news wanted.
Kira was right period
🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
Pretty sure it was because they were public figures that would be killed if they went against Kira
Or maybe in their pov it was a terrorist organization
The dichotomy is interesting- L understands that his own motivations are not 100% pure, but he's one that believes everyone deserves a chance and due process. Kira becomes megalomaniac, following the same trail as the fall of Lucifer, going mad with power.
Light can't even stand a person who calls Kira(without knowing it is Light)
's actions evil, while L never mind anyone foul-mouthing about him before his face. L even accepts his similarity with Light, of the 'lying monster' and 'childish evil'
a n d e a t i t
exo and bts makes straight guys gay HELLO THERE FELLOW ARMY HOW DID U LIKE THE COMEBACK.
Would you not? This is a Death Note video lol
It has absolutely nothing to do with our boys :)
or do it like Trump:
I'll forget to sign the bill with my right hand,
And I'll drink diet coke with my left hand...
I'll see a woman's genital area...
AND GRAB IT!
Light/Kira seems to represent the view that it is okay to sacrifice morality, individual freedom and liberty for the sake of overall security and order.
It is interesting though, because L is willing to show a similar disregard for morality with his at-any-costs attitude and his willingness to conduct his investigation outside the law. He constantly clashes with the uncompromisingly lawful Mr. Yagami, and the naively moralistic Matsuda.
I think part of the idea of the show is just a look at what happens when misunderstood geniuses with huge egos get bored. The whole plot gets started in the first place because of boredom. Light, L, M and N all get fixated on the concept of winning arbitrary victories against other geniuses. When it comes to the possibility of winning, the body count of those lesser than them becomes secondary to all of them. This is most obviously seen with M, but even L and N show some disregard to civilian casualties. We even see Light become bored after L is gone because there is no one to compete with. In the end, N wins the battle not because of justice, but because he beat Light and surpassed L.
After all this has happened, the world keeps turning and justice returns to how it was before Kira. Ryuk goes back to his boring world, and N gets his victory, but now he's out of people to compete with, so he'll be just as bored as Ryuk.
There are so many ideas to this story.
L plays the usual detective role in a story, He wants to return things to how they were before the crimes. This is his function, and yeah he goes to extreme lengths, but we understand him, so we understand the extremes he is willing to go. Likewise with Light, though his character is a bit more complex. (He is the character that drives the plot)
To put simply, his function is to raise high so we can watch him fall.
While the plot does start off boredom, it is more Ryuuk's thing, his motive for dropping a death note into the human world.
While it could be said, and is said Light could be bored. It is his disgust at the world around him that is highlighted.
Death note could literally be looked at, as a show about, justifying you reasoning.
light is like the templars from AC he would inslave the world through fear to make it good,and he would go to whatever length needed to rid the world of evil but essentially he becomes evil in the process
The problem with L and N, is there prepared to risk other people's lives to catch kira, they admit themselves they are to scared to show their face, but want others to show theirs and risk their lives.
Plus L and N, both kidnapped people and held them against their will, you can not break the law to uphold the law.
Near didn't surpass L, though. It was only because of Mello that Near was able to catch Light. Neither Mello nor Near on their own could match Light or L - but together, they can just about pull it off.
We can focus on DN as an art piece or a philosophycal piece but not both at the same time, even tho the narrative must serve both its elements can be broken apart.
That said let me focus on phylosophy ... The main thing that comes to my mind is that the caracters, by being human, are smaller than their visions of the world and their main motivations, Kira can't sacrifice himself totally towards his goals while L'n'N lose their motivation to fight injustice because, by the end, they just play the game ... That said I see I failed miserabily on separating both being a perfect example of what I meant
In my opinion, I think that Light had the right idea, but executed his plans horribly. He shouldn't have challenged L in the beginning and shouldn't have tried to kill people in the task force. L never would have caught him if this was the case. Although it made for an entertaining story, so I'm glad everything went the way it did
Well yeah but what makes the show entertaining is that light likes to challenge people and has a big ego. If he didnt have that there would be no show
Him killing a person who called Kira was 'pure evil'. Ofcourse he has the power, but why bother to kill a non-criminal who was stating his opinion and was not harming him anyway.
This itself projects light as a villain. Our first taste of the villain protagonist in Death Note is this scene.
That’s not realistic tho power causes corruption and a massive ego this has been so many times over history and whenever someone threatens someone corrupt even a little bad comment bang shot dead. It’s even worse with light since he believes he is a god he believes he is above the world and it’s own system of law and justice built up over years and years . If you remove light and put this kind of mentality on some random person damn they will seem fucking crazy
Yes but he loved to play with L
I think if he didn’t execute it this way, Light would’ve been caught much sooner. Even before Lind L. Taylor, L already suspected Kira’s location and killing method. It was only a matter of time until he narrowed it down.
I have no issue with you using the dub, I prefer it actually, but why does the narrator pronounce everything differently than the dub does? Examples: Yagami, Kira, Matsuda.
Accent
Hey, funny seeing you here. I love your videos
I noticed that too
@@tootiredtothinkofaname6262 If the names in Death Note had pronunciation that uses different forms of emphasis that we don't have in the English language, then accent would apply. But considering that the English language does have speech that emphasizes the "ah" sound of the letter A, it's just a case of mispronunciation.
To be clear, nothing wrong with improper pronunciation, any anime fan that takes serious issue with that is a loser. I just think it's interesting to point out.
Fitting seeing u here... Love ur vids!
If Light survived the warehouse scene, he would've killed Misa and Teru, and the human world would've eventually become unbearably boring, probably in less than a year, and Ryuk would've killed Light and returned to the Shinigami world.
@Ghostface Misa is the most idiotic character in the whole anime. Would have been very glad if she died
@@achyuththouta6957 not really she knows she's being use but she love light that much she's the definition of a person who doesn't love herself 😶
@@achyuththouta6957 she's much needed chaos for story progression
ryuk is stuck till he gives up the notebook with no more plots or till light dies. He ain't leaving no time soon otherwise.
@@Ndasuunye the rules state that if a Shinigami enters the human world with the express intention of killing a specific human, then they would fail. And if a Shinigami attempts to kill a human without using a Death Note, then that Shinigami would be punished at the extreme level of punishments and put to death. But they also say that a Shinigami who is following a human Death Note owner may kill that human at any time for any reason, even reasons as petty as annoyance.
“Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!”
― Donquixote Doflamingo
As a One Piece fan, I felt it necessary to post this here :)
It's interesting watching it from a philosophical perspective. I always viewed it from a psychological perspective. Machiavellianism and narcissism are prevailing in both characters, willing to do anything to win the psychological battle. At first Kira's motivation to whipe out bad guys is what it keeps him going on. From a "machiavellian" point of the ends justify the means he went straight to a megalomaniac "i am a god" narcissism. Then you have L with an autistic spectrum, very socially awkward but very bright. And the people commenting online about how Kira is good for society shows you how morally ambiguous people in general are.
I agree, I think the death note does that to you, during the start we see light question himself about how he does not have the right to judge others, and he mentioned how the death note makes you want to keep using it, hence, the narcissism and machiavellian
@@mahmah5897 I like to think that Light was wrong about the Deathnote itself being the draw. But power does have a draw, primally, and he’s the type to want to use it.
But one of my favorite parts of the series is that, much like a real person, you can’t definitively narrow down the exact motivations of the characters in perfect detail.
"ryuk is motivated by boredom more than any sense of morality." that's why i love ryuk's character. he's an occasionally sassy, mostly impartial observer, and i was so entertained whenever he was interacting with other characters
Fun fact
L' (ell) translate to "God" in Hebrew'
unfortunately, he's just one of the best guy from Wammy house
And Lucifer translates to "light bringer".
@@SCP.343 well it wasn't like Lucifer was supposed to have been an angel or something.
@@samarium1934 Light and L. Light bringer and El.
אל
"We can judge the level of civilization in a society by the way it treats its prisoners"
Ever Trejo Well damn.
Yep.
When your so called civilization treats prisoners better than its normal citizens.. :D..
Now what would you call that?
Decadence.
Sooo how would you judge the US then?
matsuda is so interesting because he is a very obviously good character who understands that lights way is WORKING and he understands that Kira isn’t bad, he is just doing bad things and wonders why on the inside he supports Kira when on the outside he is told Kira is bad
Light never wanted justice, he wasn't "corrupted by power", for him it was all about power from the start, "justice" was never anything more than a fig leaf. He started doing things that were *_convenient_* to him rather than serve _any_ definition of justice almost immediately.
I think he started out his mission solely for justice, but as expected the authorities started to take notice of the killings and started to go after Kira. So of course it would make sense for Light to take precautions and use the Death Note to do things that are convenient for him in order for him to evade the police and pursue his goal of a perfect world. But this is where Light's morality goes into more of a grey area as it it's clear that he views it as a game and each of his successes gives him a power trip and only boosts his ego to the point he thinks of himself as a literal god. In short, in the beginning it was about justice for Light but in the end it only became about *his* idea of a perfect world and whatever measure it would take for him to create that perfect world.
yes!!!! exactly he wanted to be a GOD of HIS new world, that was stated from the start.
Lol no
Thats true. If L hadn't been on the kira investigation, then he would have started killing innocents or petty criminals for amusement.
Light definitely cared about justice, he wouldn't have felt remorse for killing like he did for shibuimaru or even second guessed himself about justice, he also himself calls out his ally mikami teru later on when has the sentiment of killing people who are complacent in "evil" saying that he's taking things too far
The Power aspect came in later on and only played a minor factor at the beginning
Lights main motivational factor was boredom, the same thing that motivated ryuk
He was bored of his perfect and uninteresting life same as ryuk was boring of his dull and unchanging one in the shinigami realm
Light wanted to escape his boredom and the death note and cat and mouse game between him and L was his escape plan, this is why light didn't just sit in his room killing criminals where he couldn't be caught but instead chose to lead L towards him by allowing him to deduce he was both a student and connected to someone with access to police information
He did all that to get close to L so that he could beat him in the game of pride
L= one of my favorite characters of any show. Period. Death note=great show, I understand it had to kill L, but fuck, he was really the best character.
Do you know about the live action spin-offs? I hear he lives in those.
Light for the win.
Nah Light was. Fucked up person who had narrow-minded views on society but definitely the best written character by far.
one theme you didn't address here and that seems important too is the theme of good and evil: does a crime condemn you for your whole life and means you have to die or can it be redeemed, cured? Light thinks he can bring peace by killing the "bad guys" and not by chasing the very societal reasons those persons became criminals in the firts place, which is very moralizing and totally wrong IMO. On the other hand, you have L who fights the biggest criminal of all times with sometimes very crude/borderline cruel method. The protagonist of the show is a killer! Morals and the (blurred) concepts of good and evil seem paramount!
Actually, after you watch the arc with Mikami, the differences between his and Kira's ideals get highlighted. While Mikami is focused on retribution, killing former criminals even if they've turned over a new leaf, Kira dissaproves of this (which means that yes, in Kira's eyes, criminals can redeem themselves). It is also clear from the series that Kira's morals are based on utilitarianism, and whether or not you agree with utilitarianism, he is acting in the most efficient way that will allow the most people to live. I guess what I'm trying to say is that your argument against him is faulty. How would he even try to prevent societal reasons that causes someone to become a criminal? Answer that, and you might have an argument. But until then, killing active criminals are saving the largest amount of people, and your argument has no logical ground.
Light was good he wanted good
@@sophial7261 true u are right. Light did right
Light and L fight was tragic,instead of fighting each other,they should cooperated to achieve a true ideal world.
@@jekesan4221 true. But L didn't like Light(Kira) even 1%.
"Deathgods like apples." This has the prologue of the Genesis story written all over it, starting from the first episode.
Isn’t Light’s ideal of justice just a reaction of injustice too? He starts off killing people who’ve caused injustice in the world and those who mean to expose him are a threat to his justice. Threatening justice is a viable excuse to call the act of trying to catch Light an injustice. When people have done an injustice they should be punished and the person who was wronged should be compensated in some way, that’s why we have a justice system, (still the justice system can be corrupt or biased). This brings in the questions ‘what serves as good punishment?’ And ‘who is to blame?’. Les Miserables also tackles these questions. Stealing a loaf of bread is an injustice to the baker therefore Valjean should be punished, however if Louis Philippe wasn’t so shitty at economics then the economy wouldn’t have been in such bad condition that people needed to resort to stealing in the first place. Also, the punishment Valjean got was so much worse than the crime he committed and it didn’t fix anything about the crime or what led up to it.
Sorry about trailing off on Les Mis, I just wanted to leave a comment and see what people thought of it. I’ve only recently finished this show, so I hope a few people still want to talk about it😊
@Ricardo Santos you're completely wrong
My own problem is this: Did light never think that any “criminals” were doing crime in the name of fairness or justice? What about them? If so, would he kill someone doing exactly as he is?
@@barney1942 That's why Light is wrong. He's wrong for the same reasons the death penalty is wrong. Humans are not omniscient. People can be innocent despite our best efforts to determine their guilt. Killing innocent people on death row is always an injustice that can't be redeemed.
That being said, consequentialism - which Kira absolutely would endorse - wouldn't necessarily completely care about things like that so long as the method achieves the intended results. Yes, killing those innocent people is wrong, but we're not perfect and the ends justifies the means to a consequentialist. In the real world, statistically death row doesn't deter murderers anyway so it's a loser strategy regardless. In Kira's world, the outcome was superior by that metric, however. From a consequestialist's perspective wising to reduce crime, in Kira's world, he was correct.
I personally would take a more consequentialist line similar to Kira if I had the deathnote. I wouldn't proclaim myself as justice although I would try my best acknowledging my faults as I try to achieve similar results. I would still allow democracy to dictate, and if I had a secure method, I'd allow society to vote over the power too. I would primarily use the deathnote to extort people I deem above the law as a counterbalance to powerful people that curtail democracy with their influence. Our judicial system for petty crime is largely fine. Law for people at the absolute top is largely absent, however.
@@Matt-ww9wv hmm after listening to you I think of fate series even though I don't watch it I think what you're thinking is doing is a good way as for my ideal I want people to be protected when they're still developing after that they're all on their own I want people to have a stage to showcase what they can do it up to them if they enough talent or luck at their side 😶😶😶
@@gcg8187 Umm... Mind elaborating on that?
When it comes to Justice, light's heart is just-ice cold!
Good comment me!
Thanks me.
Saurav Raut statistically, about 5 foot 9 inches.
I think Minim just ate some bad mushroom..
My favorite part was when he said "justice" that one time.
Yes. Mine too
When u realise L and Light were just playing Among Us this whole time 🤔🤔
Shut the fuck up.
😂😂😂😂
*s h u t*
*t h e*
*f u c k*
*u p*
Cringe
Don't ruin death note the masterpiece with this shitty game
I prefer subs, but it makes sense to use dubs for videos targeted towards English-speakers.
On that note,
JUSTICE
the dub is actually really good for this show
Yeah. Normies don't like reading. /s
Being completely honest, I can objectively say that the English dub sucks
Rash Rixie
Subjectively* Your opinion is no more absolute than anyone else's, otaku.
The acting in the English dub is terrible. They can't even get the emphasis on the right words in sentences. For example, "this is his _brand_ of justice" makes no sense - it should be "this is _his_ brand of justice", emphasising that Kira has a different sense of justice to others (e.g. L, the police).
If I had a quarter for how many times he says justice...
...you could get yourself a beer.
*bag of potato chips, you had your shot and you missed it.
漢 漢 i want a video compilation of every time he says it
Why limit yourself so much? Why a quarter? Why not ten dollars? You'd definitely make more...
@@KerbalFacile You mean a chilly boi or a crack of a cold one
The show DOES give a firm opinion on justice, Nate/Nears speech in the finale is what the writer has confirmed to be most in line with his own opinion.
Also, I hate that you use either the sub or dub, you should be using the sign language version.
Still a firm opinion. He didn't say it was the ultimate answer. You didn't challenge the comment you replied to.
GloomGaiGar are you responding to me?
What would you consider as an ultimate answer, bcoz that sounds like an ultimate answer to me.
Ide was the one who concluded it. Kira is not the better world.
Can you quote him please?
Watching this analysis has just made me realize that Death Note is probably one of the few objectively good horror animes around, not in terms of shock and Gore, but for it's themes.
One of the most common elements of the horror genre can sometimes be about the negative side and/or perversion of human nature (such as the common use of serial killers and such), so a show that asks the audience how far they'd be willing to go in the pursuit for their own idea of justice/morality and if it'd be to the point of destruction, it'd be somewhat within the subgenres of crime/psychological horror.
EDIT: Just finished watching another video on a Death Note analysis, and it's pretty eye-opening!
th-cam.com/video/r8OfANX2hEw/w-d-xo.html
I don't believe it's a horror story at all but rather a story surrounding philosophy, ideals, and morality. Saying Death note is a psychological horror would be like saying Persona 5 with arguably the same story themes is a horror game, when it's very obviously not. They're both dramas if they were put into categories.
@Isaac Ferguson
That's a good point! I guess it might depend on each person's perspective and their own categorizations (such as how Light's actions and justifications for his actions might elicit horror or terror-like feelings, and for other audiences it might not). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'll admit I might have projected on it when I originally wrote that comment from my own interests (I like watching a lot of horror movies/shows). ^^;
I haven't seen another anime with this much depth.
Boku no pico goes into great depths too if you know what I mean
Try Shiki.
(obligatory) evangelion, the original series at least
@@bckends_ I'm new to anime and I won't fall for that again
@@bckends_
Overused joke...
Find a new one
Light's last name yagami spelled backwards is im a gay
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So, you're suggesting that he was a little.... *light* in the loafers?
The real philosophy is always in the comments
That's why he only wants miss to USE her
Yeah, he really sorta is
She's a kira, QUEEN~~~
Stiltzkin Vanserine I dig it
GUNPOWDER GELATINE
Bitez Za Dusto!!
ZAWARUDO!!!
I love that song
Is just me or Light's dad looks like Wrath from FMA
Kind of but he looks more calm and less condescending than wrath
It's not just you... It's justice
Tom Selleck
I can see it with the mustache
6:10 I think one of the critical things to note here is that Light never felt truly happy once he acquired the death note. He *thought* he was happy, he *said* he was happy, but that was a lie to convince himself that what he was doing was right. At the end of the show, he realizes his shallow *fun* has cost him real happiness. In addition, Kira was never "chosen", as Ryuk points out. Light made up a narrative to justify what he was doing. He was never motivated by wanting to make the world a better place: he was motivated by disgust for his fellow beings, but primarily, centrally, he was motivated by boredom with a life that didn't challenge him.
Power doesn't change you, power only shows who you really are. The Death Note did not change Light, it only revealed how egotistical he really is to be to make an exciting life. 'Justice' is just a rationalization for his desire of being seen as a "God" as Kira. 'Injustice' is just a rationalization for his hatred of going back to a "boring" life as Light Yagami.
Yes he may have killed lots of people, but at the end of the show he mentions that global crime rates decreased by 70%. That's huge. Imagine how many murders, rapes, assaults and violence he prevented by killing mostly already guilty criminals and a few innocents. Yes it was horrible, but it worked.
Not a Nonce we share the same opinion about this...
But was the world any happier? We see that people were scared shitless of their names and faces being made public, it wasn't real peace.
suicune690 i you didn't do anything wrong, there is nothing to be scared of
I've gotten a traffic ticket. I would be afraid for my life, because who knows where Kira would stop? He was considering killing "lazy" people by the end.
*Cough* game theory *cough*
Please do "the philosophy of psycho-pass".
Yampier Agudelo NOW THIS.
Really! There's so much to say on how our ideas of law and order are meaningless under the Sibyl system.
THIS NEEDS MORE THUMBS UP
Yampier Agudelo YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
P.S. SECOND OPENING IS THE BEST ONE
omfg yes!!!
“Death Note follows Light Yuh-gami”
Me: *Visable annoyance*
Y'all weaboos literally get offended by anything
You: Visable annoyance
Me: *Visible annoyance*
@@sonichasafishonhishead1462 I’m not a crazed anime fan, I just don’t like mispronunciations.
@@phoemix7043 Then how do you pronounce it?
@@phoemix7043 They're reading it in their mother tongue. It's not inherently wrong.
Death note :
Justifiable : maybe
Morally : no
Personally : yes
you are wrong!
Justifiable : yes
Morally : maybe
Justifiable: Yes
Morally: Yes
Personally: Yes
Human Moral: No
God Moral: Yes
@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 actually it would be the other way around because human morals are more subjective
Kira: knock knock
L: who’s their
Kira: JUSTICE
L gets heart attack
Light: JUSTICE!
L : JUSTICE!
Batman:JUSTICE!!!
The Comedian: Justice! Justice's coming to all of us, no matter that the fuck we do.
Justice league team.
@Ricardo Santos light is way better character than batman actually he's much deeper and complex and smarter than him
@@Anubis-xk4ht My man you have no idea who Batman is
@@Anubis-xk4ht nah,both of them work on a factor of fear,but Kira isn't that much of a deep character
I want Kira's laugh as my ringtone....
Download the app Zedge! You can find many ringtone of dearh note
Imagine it rings at a funeral ☠️
I recently rewatched Death Note, and I absolutely loved it. I was able to truly understand and appreciate the characters (especially Light), the themes, and the ending this time around. Death Note's themes are easily its best quality, as it dives deeply into existentialism, justice, hubris, corruption, etc. While justice wasn't my favorite theme of the show, it's definitely the one that was most apparent (on the surface level). I love how rather than taking a stance, Death Note basically shows that there is no objectively correct answer as to what is justice or as to what is morally right. It paints both Light and L's views on justice, and it lets you decide which you prefer...
@James Lucas My favorite theme would probably be Light's hubris/corruption, which I found to be very reminiscent of a greek tragedy. I think it was simply the best handled, by the many ways it was displayed. Its obvious that the notebook is a thing that serves to bolster Light's hubris (namely with his God Complex), and it works to corrupt him over the course of the show. He lies to countless individuals, and constantly kills, while treating others like pawns. The normalization of this behaviour would lead to the very psychopathic nature of Light by the end of the story. Then this theme is handled beautifully, as it directly leads to his defeat. Once again similar to how in Greek tragedies, the hero would be defeated by their fatal flaw, which usually was also hubris. The way in which light's hubris and corruption leads to his defeat is brilliant. As his overconfidence causes him not to view Near as a threat and grow hasty in his plan to eliminate his enemies. Also, remember that it was Mikami who messed up and revealed the location of the real death note. Light failed to account for this fairly obvious action by Mikami, because he was so corrupted and arrogant, seeing everyone around him as mindless pawns, who would never betray his orders. Idk I just found this to be very brilliant, and it made me enjoy the show far more than I did before.
"Cake-snarfing Sherlock Holmes"
Lalle Rue *_s n a r f i n g_*
What about a coke-snarfing Sherlock Holmes?
Basically, Sherlock Holmes
Cake-snarfing, *diabetis-proof detective lmfao
He isnt wrong though 😂😂
The question is just like "Why?"
"Why did it actually happened?"
"Who is *ACTUALLY* to blame for the bad happened to people?"
That's the point. No one is. At least not one single individual. One of the main points of the show is that Light is a normal guy. So it's trying to say anyone could be corrupted absolutely to the point where they become extreme with their methods.
I like how Wisecrack takes the subject of justice and just soft balls it with first year intro to philosophy crap. While avoiding the the themes of corrupting power.
That's how the cookies crumbled, bro... .
unicorn love well many things actually... power alone can't cause so much... it has to be used in particular directions...
Ryuk probably because of him the death note came in light's hands
Okay there's a Reddit comment in there analyzing that Light's God complex started in episode 1 when he decided to kill Lind L. Taylor simply for opposing him, and if he had controlled his own pride at the very onset he could have avoided L even finding out he's in Japan. Really blew my mind, Light was truly a lost manfrom his second step on his path to Justice.
the real message of the show is the lengths we'll go to cure boredom, we the audience were the shinigami coming into Light's realm while we watched because we're bored, the tasty apple was just a bonus
Under appreciated comment
No, it was more than just entertainment, I could have gotten that from any other show, for me it was about Light’s philosophy and how much I resonate with him as a character
I personally value justice however honestly, if I had a death note, I'd likely do something similar to Light. I know that makes me a hypocrite as light's actions are NOT justice as he has to kill Innocents and doubters to get his way. I'm o ly saying that I don't know if I'd be able to 100% handle the power the death note brings. In short, if I was in L's position and had to capture Kira, I would do so as Kira's actions are not justice. However, if I was in Lights position and had the death note, I'd likely do what light did. Would I have to kill Innocents? Perhaps but there's also a side of me that says that the ends justify the means. This is why I love death note as when I was first watching it, it made me question myself more than the show.
Milky28 I take lights stance and wouldn't give it up for shit..
Killing innocent people is wrong. That is why I’m not team Light. Cause he only did he kill criminals, he also killed innocent ppl
Me
Light did not have to kill the FBI dudes. First it let L narrow down the amount of suspects immensely and anyways the FBI dude raye penber was about to report that Light was clear of being Kira. If he didnt kill raye penber for no reason, he would have delayed the investigation. After he killed raye penber it forced light to kill his fiance.
As a result L puts cameras in Lights house and that where the behaviour of Light first caught L's glimpse. L smiled when he realized. Thats when L started to suspect Light. As events went on L knew Light was Kira but just needed concrete evidence. As you could see when L wanted to test the rules of the death note. He knew Light was Kira
+Lovedeep Sandhu you do realize its a show to entertain the audience hence needs a plot to keep the action going.
I actually asked a question recently to a bunch of friends. I asked if they had to press a button that would kill a random family of theirs or 1 that would kill 6 billion people from another galaxy that we would never come into contact with. What would they do. Suprising to me but appearantly not to others was most chose to kill the 6 billion. Giving the justification "I just love my family that much". The even stated that I was crazy and weird for stating otherwise. I then proceeded to ask why their love was worth more than the lives of 6 billion people. They replied, that those people had no effect on their lives or those around them. I feel this is unjust and clerly selfish yet they seemed to disagree. Just curious to hear others opinions on the matter.
I think it matters what do you consider "people from another galaxy". Are they just like humans, but green? Are they self aware? Do they have values? If those answers were "yes", I think it would matter to most people if their values match the ones of human kind. Unfortunelly, this is something people would take into account, because people are less likely to feel ok with killing someone if they see themselves in that person. So if those aliens are culturally and socially very different from us, I think most people would be okay with pressing the button that kills the aliens. I honestly am not able to say what would I do.
But I have something to make you think: have you watched "aliens"? (it's the sequel to alien, very clever, I know). In this movie there is a woman who is trying to save a child that she sees as her daughter as they are attacked by this evil race of murderous aliens. As they are trying to run away from them, this woman goes near the "mother" alien and sets a bunch of her eggs on fire. It gets the mother alien pissed and it tries to kill the humans. After all, it is a mother protecting her child from a mother who is protecting her children. Who the hell is right?? (I know this isn't like the question you made, but thinking about aliens in a relative way, reminded me of this question. If you have never watchd aliens, I recommend it, by the way)
Queen actually i made i told the people at the time that these were basically humans exactly like us but just somewhere where it wouldn't affect us. I just find that it's too often we treat our love for the people around us as something that makes a selfless, the whole "I would ..... for my (family/friends)" While I do greatly love and appreciate my family and friends. I think in the end we're just putting our emotions ahead not those people. Why should our emotions matter more than all those we may hurt just in order to save someone we've built a connection to. I don't think there is a set number. However if you were to view life as to have a objective value and affection to have another. Than I say 6 billion or for that matter even 10 lives should rise above affection. Whenever I evaluate my morals I think if the entire world thought like me how good/bad would the world be. If everyone was willing to kill thousands for their brother or sister. Than if one high up went crazy and decided to kill someone or even accidentally saved. It may cause a war or at least another few deaths. An eye for an eye is often said to be a bad mentality, what people aren't realizing this 'love' of those close to us is an eye for a million. Anyways thanks for the movie recommend definitely will check it out when I have the time.
Bored on TH-cam, I'll try to answer your question with a story I heard in a Professional Ethics class once.
See, our class almost had a riot over the Trolley Problem, so our professor told us a story about a former student of his. The student had been a war-time journalist before he had decided to change jobs and ended meeting the professor for a Professional Ethics class. However, this student HATED the Trolley Problem, which is a situation where you have a choice to either directly kill someone (via various method) to save other lives or you can leave the situation how it is and let the other people die, which would be your fault, but either way there's no consquences and you have to see the people who would die from it.
Well, the professor ended up asking why the student hated the Trolley Problem. The student told him that it went back to when he was a journalist in a war-torn country. The student was bought over by soldiers one day at a random small village - well, at the time, he lucked out since one of the soldiers liked Americans, knew English, and "gave him a shot to be a big shot" by handing him a gun to shot one of the villagers. Supposedly, the soldier would have let the rest of them go. Well, the journalist tried but found he couldn't shot and handed back the gun to the soldier. After that, the soldiers made him watch as all the villagers were mowed down by gunfire. Understandably, he decided to change jobs after that. I never heard what happened to the soldiers involved, but I have to assume they were never punished for their actions.
Basically, the point I'm trying to make by telling you this story is that most people would have an easier time harming/killing others if they don't know them and/or can depersonalize them mentally. Basically, most people would have a harder time killing any family member due to them knowing the person - the alternate reality people would be easier for most people since it doesn't affect them at all.
Bored on TH-cam welll say goodbay too The 6mil
Bored on TH-cam No Wait
It's like a dentist fixing someones teeth
You fix the bad ones and extract the ones that can't be fixed, inteed of extracting all the bad teeth like kira did smh...
Kira was focused on the wrong thing. He had such a myopic, individualistic, and classist perspective of crime.
To follow your analogy, he was solely focused on pulling rotten teeth instead of stopping the source of the rot.
@@Dracalis HUH? The source of rot is people themselves. Does that mean Kira should have removed humanity from Earth?
@@stray3rdborn36 Logic
OK, let's chat about the end:
Light fails because Mikami makes a mistake. That's disappointing. Light is kinda proven right in his control freaky ways, and he was undone by not micromanaging his subordinates...
hmmmmmmm...
but Light also screams out for help from Takada and Mikami when he's desperate and injured, suggesting that he needed people all along but didn't let anyone properly into his inner circle.
Then there's the final shot of Amani on a train alone. Light's first Ally. The only person that wasn't there in the warehouse. The only survivor.
Does the end have have express any opinion about going solo or teamwork?
What are your thoughts folks?
Same I hated how Near acted like he had such a intelligent plan when he only won by one small mistake which ended up being luck for him saving their lives, I think there is a time for Teamwork and Solo as they both have their pros and cons, just when the situation comes along choose which will give the most pros for successful.
I think you’re gravely misunderstanding the themes of the show if you’re trying to find a message about teamwork using Light Yagami as your model.
@@Crystal_Apple i woudnt call it luck when he figured out Mikami was doing the killings for him in the first place had him followed found out there was a real note book and a fake notebook and made sure to make an exact copy of the real to replace it. that is not luck. you can blame mikami for Lights failure but light was bound to slip eventually, L and his team were not convinced for ONE SECOND that Light wasn't Kira, they knew it was just a matter of time before he was caught
@@ekenekokelu13 Yea still if Mikami followed the plan Light would've succeeded but I understand your point
Honestly I think light messed up the moment he decided to give the task of killing people to someone else, and I think he got too arrogant after L's death, it got to his head that he was invincible and let his guard down and wasn't as careful as he was before, also part of me believes that after L's death, Light's only concern became power and not justice
Ryuk is truly justice. He was there to test humans
GodzillaFreak No, Ryuk was just bored.
Ryuk was almost certainly just a stand in for the snake in Adam and Eve. The apples should be a dead give away for that. The snake was also the one who brought death upon humanity by talking Eve into eating the fruit of knowledge.
@Richie Hyacinth
If you want to go deeper, then the reason God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden was because they couldn't stay in paradise after seeing the truth. This could be why humans who use the Death Note can't go to heaven. They have figuratively eaten from the fruit of the knowledge of Good an Evil.
Ps: I really do love the book of Genesis. Best book in the entire Bible. So much beautiful imagery in it.
@@mattbenz99 did you read "Ishmael" from Daniel Queen? He talks about that.
@@dickhalloran1691
Added it to my Goodreads list. I'll read it eventually.
All of the "JUSTICE" scenes made me laugh so hard
it’s like a black mirror episode, he found a new piece of “technology” in his case the death note and he didn’t have bad intentions with it at first, it could’ve been used for good. but once u kill all the bad guys, u can’t stop there, u need to keep killing in order to feel normal. and of course it all goes to his head. i could go on for hours about the symbolism and references in this show lol
But he didn’t kill all the bad guys, so I don’t get your analogy at all
i think light is someone who believes in results instead of the method taken (much like pain from naruto)
anyone else raising an eyebrow over that idea that people stop giving a shit about being good people when their rep is off the table? Doesn't seem to account for basic empathy and is kind of nihilistic.
MidoriMushrooms A lot of people are that way
I see where you are coming from, they wouldn't have a sound spirituality and their guilt would get bigger and bigger till.... if there are more invisible dudes who do heinous acts,society wouldn't function properly as their ideas and values could be passed on to others causing a chain effect thus the purpose of a judicial system. True it seems a lot of people are that way but we should look at consequences of some of our choices. Also disciplines have been engrained into most people since a young age to prevent doing certain acts anyways.
MidoriMushrooms I like this quote: "give a man a mask and you will see his true face"
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." The idea of complete anonymity is quintessentially, absolute social power, and so it does not matter how good a character you are when people are watching, given enough time you too would fall into morbid hedonism just like me and everyone else. Maybe because we are born in and taught by a world that's very much nihilistic in itself, we ultimately cannot reliably wield otherworldly powers? The reason that's not often seen in real life is because, very rarely, if ever, does it happen for someone's reputation to be permanently and irreversibly off the table. All of us wield some varying modicum of social power and rise up to it in different extents.
In my opinion , people have interests that they will protect on the basis of their core beliefs,so if it doesn't match that and disadvantages you to your goal,why would you?
Light:"Needs of many outweigh the needs of a few."
L:"No!"
Wrong.
Light: "I'm the most important person ever, and everyone who doesn't think so deserves to die!"
L: "No!"
Light:" Why is this new Kira killing policemen? I am just killing criminals but *this* ?"
Initially at least Light just wanted to get rid of the criminals and whatever the *evil* he saw. He didn't care about his own sin count or morality or life or soul. Whatever this may turn him into all he wanted was to *cleanse this world* even if it involves killing a few innocent people who are coming in his way.
And with time his confidence increased and well... he began to have dreams... there is nothing bad in trying to be a God... well he *was* helping nice people... There is no luxury he could have achieved by becoming the God of the New World except feeling Pride>>>>>>Vegeta's pride
wishvesh chaturvedi but Light is in the right here, and L is in the wrong because think of a world without Hitler. Sometimes the lives of many does out weigh those of that of a few.
Light Yagami
At the end of the day you all are humans, who want something and saying these few lives are more important than many others... ( Humans and hen)
But for God all lives are equally important.
All he needs is a simple calculation... but still a person who is like God he would try to save as many people as he can because
"These people are not the rest of the world, they are family too...!"
"I don't even know if there is such a thing as justice in the shinobi world. We fight believing in our own justice. But if the enemy is doing the same thing, who's right?" - Shisui Uchiha
"platos debate boys" the most legendary line ever uttered on this channel.
I always viewed the Death Note as a One Ring type of artifact that actually corrupted whoever used it, making them more violent and bloodthirsty. This (for me at least) explains the sudden personality changes Light goes through when he possesses the book and when he loses it.
Inkswitch No one man should have all that power
I think lights change in personality was caused by the fact that he actualy killed someone and couldnt take it back. He had to jusstify it to himself somehow otherwise his psyche would completely crumble... we're talking about the model son of the chief of police here
Inkswitch I believe he was a sociopath and the book gave him entertainment
Inkswitch His power slowly corrupted him, his viewpoints slowly twisting. At what point did you realize he went crazy?
+omega5040 WHEN HE SAID HE'S A FUCKING GOD IN EP1!!!
Why. The hell. Did I watch this. Before. Finishing. The. Anime. I. Hate. Myself.
"Let this be lesson for you!"
-Heavy Weapons Guy, 9th year of development
Light would be disappointed in u lol
oh you a dumb dumb
Light is good
your mistake and yes u deserve it
As someone who finished the sub and ran to watch theories and analysies, let me just say I was very confused when he said that Matsuda killed Kira
After 6 years, by rewatching it recently i think the main point is that: however good of a person or your intentions may be unrestricted power will corrupt your good self and turn you to what you despised... I mean imagine this: you start wanting to do the right thing and when things don't go as planned you let some bad actions slip ever so slightly adding up over time leading you doing a crime (assuming you have unrestricted power or not monitored by anyone with consequences). What I've taken from this is that nothing can be perfect and we shouldn't be concerned to an obsessive level or get mad about things that are wrong or don't align with our views. Especially for things we can't change or influence
If L and everyone didn’t get in his way he never would’ve had to commit those crimes. Light had the perfect sense of good and evil. But stupid people got on his way
how do L and Light order a drink? "just-ice" :D
Now I want to see you do "philosophy of Code Geass".
Elfos64 sounds great does killing a nation to bring world peace alright or not 🤔🤔
Elfos64 Code Geass is about a group of racist Lunatics reigning with their dominance over the world establishing themselves as provider of True Justice and Lelouch being a bit of a hypocritical psychopath begs the obvious question and rebelling against dictatorship with the societal definition of Democracy and freedom which is actually an excuse to just try to create a war less world (or at least Japan) so that Nunally can be in the exact same position as she was before....... And still blind.
legends52 w I mean, i would say yes. Killing millions to save billions. Watchmen all over again.
I don't think he did it for Nunally, even at the start. For him it was a convenient excuse to do all the shit that he did.
@Kristian Something like that was brought up by Suzaku when they were at C's worlds and Lelouch agreed but it didn't really make much sense. He could even go suicidal for Nunally, so why did he do all this if it wasn't for her? For the lulz?
The biggest mystery in the series is how TF he didn’t run out of pages
It's actually part of the Death Note's rules that it doesn't run out of pages
but didn't Ryuk say EXPIRE?
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Honestly Light going insane immediately upon finding the Death Note is so hilarious 😂
Thank you so much for discussing Matsuda so much!!!! He was always one of the best characters, and everyone writes him off.
The Philosophy of Death Parade - What is Death? - Wisecrack Edition
Gimpy yes yes yes yes pls
Gimpy yes
Kira’s concept of justice wasn’t evil , in fact I agree with his philosophy about how some criminals deserve death. However , Kira wasn’t after justice , he was after power. He loved the idea of being a god and wanted to prove that he can out smart and kill who ever gets in his way. He didn’t live by any kind of ethical code , he would kill/ manipulate anyone to remain in power. He was always in constant battle with himself , justifying every evil action he takes.
I’m so glad you dedicated a portion of this video to Matsuda, who acts as an in between for the two moralities, rather than JUST Light and L and their supporters. People often overlook the value he adds to the plot and the story, taking him as a face value comedic relief character, rather than someone who provides a conversation and an honest perspective of the “justice” that goes on in the show.
Basically, my central issue with Kira is that he does nothing to alleviate the issues that cause crime in the first place. If the world was full of Hannibal Lecters, then yes, Kira would be just. But it isn't. Most crimes are committed by people in a horrible place, who have suffered greatly and see no other means of leading their life than crime. Increase the living standards and you will decrease crime rates. All Kira does is make these people suffer more silently. And his justice gets even more murky when he starts murdering "amoral" people without ever specifying what constitutes amorality or even questioning his inherent believes about amorality.
UltimateVegetto.
Kira believes in using fear - death by heart attack as the ultimate deterrent. I think it could work if criminals are actually scared of a force like Kira lurking around; hardened criminals don't suffer silently, they die before the world and people realise that there is a quasi-moral force judging them. Religion has operated in the same way for thousands of years.
Where Kira loses me is when he puts himself in harm's way by letting his ego get the best of him - and trying to fight against L and the task force [but then there would be no entertainment if he didn't!]. An ultimate power like the death note is something that could work - but if we have a truly moral human that does it as a completely selfless act, making sure that no innocents are killed.
UltimateVegetto yass well said
+UltimateVegetto - Your observation isn't entirely correct. Highest crime rates are in the places where inequality between people is the highest. (socioeconomic status) Rest of your point still stands. Very few criminals commit crimes just for malevolences sake. Most of criminals are regular people on a rough stretch.
UltimateVegetto You shouldn't fuck over other people though just because you're in a bad situation. Most of the time, they deserve whatever punishment the justice system gives them.
1 he has a god complex
2 he is using fear (and he believes in it, you do not, I agree with you, but just saying)
3 he might not care. Let those ppl die off, let them be unfortunate, the world will balance off eventually, maybe there will even be decreases in population or some sort of indirect negativities but that rather proves Kira's absolute impact.
Like wisecrack says, he values the ends, not the means.
JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE!
AlexButterFingers TM -- Heroes NEVER die!!
AlexButterFingers TM BEEP BOOOP!!?
JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABO... *gets clipped by Hanzo lol
HONOR!!
JUSTICE!!
REINHARDT!! REINHARDT!! REINHARDT!!
LOL....I need healing...
Thank you guys for doing so much work to help other people
I made the same comparison between The Lord of the Rings and Death Note, but in the sense that Light and Gollum both develop a craving for their individual materialistic abilities. For Light; the notebook and its ability to administer his sense of justice. For Gollum; the power of the ring to dominate the will of others. What they both longed for ended up being their demise.
Crime is a symptom of an inequitable economic system and an indifferent society. Light doesn't understand that killing criminals isn't going to end the problems that produce them. There's a difference between actual psycho/sociopaths who need to be removed if they can't be rehabilitated and people like you and me who are either in a state of poverty and desperation or have been pushed to the dark part of their psyche through trauma or long term suffering. Forgiveness is the answer, not punishment.
Obr Kenobi . killing criminals would save a lot of good people
But it would get rid of that criminal for good.
game S0 juken That's something that, like, kids come up with. Obr Kenobi is actually right.
+game S0 juken define "good people".
people live to live happily, To move forward well and do not harm others but help them.
I'd like to offer a different outtake on this whole thing:
What Light/Kira seeks isn't 'Justice', it's more like 'Order'.
As a comparison allow me to bring up the character of Odo from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
In that show, Odo often times talks about a need to uphold 'justice', but more often than night what he more actually works towards is 'order', a mindset he inherited (unknowingly) from his people, the Changelings (or Founders).And the Changelings, fear 'solids' (or basically humanoid lifeforms) and so seek to bring their 'order' to the galaxy, at ANY cost and using ANY means they deem necessary.
The difference though between the other Changelings (and Light/Kira) is that Odo actually DOES truly want 'justice' and honestly learns to care about other 'solids' in his experiences during the show's run. I'm GROSSLY simplifying here, mind, there's SO much more to it than that, but even so, I hope folks understad.
The 'justice' Light/Kira wants is 'order', much like the Changelings want. A world/galaxy that is under his/their control. One where everyone knows their place, everyone knows that acting out in any way gets you punished, they learn to stay where they are, lest a 'god' strike you down, as it were. Order, stability, unchanging, and under his/their control, nothing more, nothing less.
Well that's fucking ironic...
I'd argue that Light is actually a narcissitic sociopath who uses "justice" as a _justification_ for his murder spree. Many serial killers are motivated by a warped sense of morality. At his core, he cares more about the thrill of the game and his fame as Kira than about any sort of justice.
I disagree, mostly because L does not want this. There's a definite parallel made between L and Light/Kira and a sense of 'order' is not something L is looking for. The video outlines it pretty well that L is a response to injustice while Light comes from a place of altruistic justice.
I've seen both shows, so I'm not talking out of my ass. I feel you're making a false equivalence here. I feel that order/stability is a consequence of Kira's actions, but not is direct intent. His direct intent is to impose his opinion of justice on the world in order to make a better place. The fact that L does not want this shows that it is not the direct struggle of the show.
Red Sparrow no
Red Sparrow What made this story so great is that you could place yourself in his shoes. What would you have done?
So in watching a few analyses and essays tonight to understand the story and meanings better, this one has been able to help me a lot
I found it interesting how by making light the main character it is easy to believe he is in the right, maybe if the show was strictly in L’s pov we wouldn’t be having all of these debaits about justice and injustice
This dub is among the best of all time in my humble opinion. I've been loving the reemergence of Death Note thanks to Netflix's shitty movie. Nice vid
What light seems to not understand is that most criminals aren't just doing illegal things for fun. Not every criminal is Jeffery Dahmer. They are usually in a bad place and forced into a corner by hard scenerios and times. I know people like that.
Ligth is an odd case. He seems to act on a very black and white Kantian logic of "people should do what is just and those who don't must be punished". No matter the why, just the fact you broke the law. However, his actions are definetely utilitarian. "The net result of my actions is justice so I am just even if I commit the crime of homicide".
So it is kind of clear that Light is an hypocrite. Or just so obsessed about his power that he stopped caring about thinking through the meaning of his justice.
jeff jefferson and mostly important, what is the definition of a criminal in Light's mind? His view of justice is just merely based on what the State says so? If someone who makes something "bad" to another person, but that thing is not considered a crime, like some psychological abuse idk, than that person does not deserve to be judge by Light's hand? I think the show should have explored more this subject, it would be much more philosophically deep
jeff jefferson True
Andres Arancio For sure. Thing is though the law is the EXACT same, it asks no questions. You broke it? Well ok, we'll give you a trial and that's it irrigardless of your unique scenario, unless you have the fortune of someone showing you mercy, you're done for. Not that I'm on lights side, but its the same end but Lights motivations were bad.
He started out killing people that were clearly doing things to others that were deplorable, like the guy pushing himself on the lady (which you can argue was used in defense of someone else), but that devolved to anyone that gets in my way which is proud and arrogant. He was about to kill L because he got scared, but if he turned himself in he might've been let off since, c'mon... A notebook from another world? And L just wanted to solve the case, Light more than likely on trail would've won or gotten a, ehem... Light sentence.
If there is anything I've learned in life it's that there are very awful environments that make people think very awful things, and that everyone thinks they are justified in whatever they do even if they don't realize it. Nobody does something they think is wrong without having it philosophically justified even subconsciously. We all have our own personal ideologies even if we don't know or care what they are.
I swear this guy deliberately mispronounces Yagami and Matsuda.
Michael Feeney I hate people like him I swear it’s so annoying
@@Joellations Dude, these are japanese names. He is not Japanese nor does he speak Japanese, it's not a big deal if he mispronounces the names.
VilivanChto if he has actually WATCHED the damn show (kind of necessary to make a 20 minute video talking about it) then he has no excuse for mispronouncing these names.
@@TheVilivan idk man if he's making a video analysing something he should at least be able to pronounce the character's name properly.
Why do you weebs care so much. It's not a big deal.
I loved this anime. L and light both are my favourite characters