Having owned both amps (50 and 100 watt versions) I always prefer the 800 for most applications, but the Jubilee shines with a strat. This video should have shown what a Jube or even JCM800 sounds like with a strat.
I've been gigging with mini Jubes for the last two years, head through a nice 212 and solidly with the combo as well. I recently swapped the 25W Greenback in the combo for a 65W Creamback and O-M-G. Anyway, very impressed with the mini 800 but the Jubilee will always be tops in my book. Great review btw. :)
@@benallmark9671 I no longer have that head but yes, some gigs would call for the head through a 212 or even a 412 but the combo is king! Still my work horse for 5+ years!
To me the jubilee has always been the pinnacle of marshall tone. It’s gain channel is like a mildly boosted jcm800 (which is what most people would do back in the day anyway). And then the clean channel has that original JTM45 flavour. AND THEN, puling the “rhythm clip” knob on the clean channel gets you to that cranked plexi super lead roar! It was made to celebrate 25 years of marshall, gathering all of the famously awarded brown tones, but done right (simple loud analog tube amp). If that’s not versatility for a marshall, i don’t know what is...
What is not captured in this video is how versatile the Silver Jubilee mini's EQ is! Very responsive...you could probably dial in the exact JCM 800 tone if that is what you want.
I used to have 2 of the full size Jubilees when they first came out. I had them for a few years before switching to the JMP1 preamp & 9200 power amp which offered so much in sonic options and midi, but I loved the Jubilees. Tone for days. Because of the loop being right before the power stage, I was able to boost the power stage and tweak the sound with a rack mount graphic EQ. I really lover power tube gain. When I got that into a large room or studio, it just roared and I could just move my finger along the 6th string and play big, fat feedback melodies, but it was noisy when I stopped playing with the rig set up that way so I had to add a noise gate to cut the signal when I stopped playing. I think I had the gate after the EQ. I used to get a lot of compliments about my sound with that rig. Even the engineer in one studio got up from the board and walked over to the isolation booth to see what I was playing through. Marshall delivered big time with that amp.
But the JTM45 and cranked plexi SL amps have no diodes in the pre-amp stages. They are 100 present all tube signal path. So no way Ray do I agree. But the jubilee does sound good in its own little way.
Ann anthony I’m sorry but i think that’s kind of irrelevant. Having diode clipping in a tube amp just means that it has a built in “boost pedal” specially tuned for that amp. As i said, most people already used jcm800s with some sort of boost. As for the jubilee, the diode clipping in the rythm clipp knob is just how marshall managed to add versatility with marshall tones in mind. It still has a pure all tube clipping if you don’t want that, but why not? ;)
For those considering the two, the Silver Jubilee mini actually has a very responsive EQ. The slightest move of the knobs change the sound very noticeably. This gives you the ability to tweak the tone any way you want to. It also technically has 3 channels: Clean (very Fender like....no distorted tones like in this video - probably depends on your pickups IDK), Rythym Clip, and Lead. Agree that 20 watt mode sounds fuller...however, you can tweak the 5 watt mode with that responsive EQ though and it sounds fine. Great sounding amp!
Had SJ MINI and this versatility is to a fault for playing live if you wanted to switch channels with it's shared EQ...Constant tweeking. Not a problem if you just use one setting .
I own the Mini Jubilee... it’s a killer sounding amp...the EQ is very responsive and the tone that comes out of it depends on your settings. It is a different kind of Marshall in a very good way. One major difference between it and other classic Marshalls is that it uses diode clipping distortion . The diodes can be engaged by pulling the Input Gain knob . I do not engage the diodes. Some on other forums say that the diodes are always on until you get the lead master up past 5 . I don’t know if that is true or not. All I know is that if you take the time to experiment with the EQ this amp is a formidable weapon and worthy of the Marshall name. If you have a good cab with good speakers and a good guitar with decent pickups this amp sounds great. This amp is right up there with my ‘81 2204 and Friedman. Marshall got it right with this amp.
I just picked up the Silver Jubilee mini. I had an 82, 2204 sold it 2 years ago, (wish I never did) It was such a bright amp, that's why I loved it, had that ear piercing high mids. That's what cuts through a band mix. . Been playing the Jubilee, it doesn't sound as bright as my 2204, but it's hard to remember it was a while ago. I've played the Studio Classic at G.C, , doesn't have much gain but takes pedals amazingly and seems like it's as bright as my 2204 was. I'm seeing a lot of Studio Classic's on the used market after only being released less than a year ago. That tells me people don't dig them if they are selling them after a few months. There's like 5 of them on Reverb, a few on Ebay and about 4 on G.C used online. Anyway, the gain on the mini is great. The sustain is amzaing and cleans are incredible How do you think it cuts through a band mix? I also own a JCM 2000 that's just as bright as the 800 with a shitload more gain. This Jubilee is so different, than the 2000, much more like the 800 but a little different. and yes the EQ's are very sensitive. I'm glad you think it's right up there with your 2204, that makes me feel alot better.
Hey Nielsen! I follow your channel, and I also think you should try these out 😊 Also help me spread the word that Marshall should make pedalboard friendly pre and poweramps.
Great video Phillip. I actually just got the JCM 800 Studio Classic. I always loved Marshall especially the JCM 800 but I never needed 100 watts worth. Then I got the mini Jubilee and it just didn't do it for me. I don't know why but it didn't. So I have been running the DSL which I love. Then this 800 came out so I grabbed the last one from where I buy my gear. Gonna spend the rest of the weekend messing with it. Again...great video....so far the best one on the Tube about this 20 watt beast.
I have always wanted the big powerful JCM 800 but you may have brought me over to practical. 20 watt tube power is more than enough and you can bring out to full sound in a cranked Marshall. Thanks Phil for all you do!
When I started playing in the 80s I always felt the Marshalls of the day were brash and too hard on the ears until...I saw a friend’s band play and he had a Jubilee!! I was in love from that moment on and I still feel that way.
Nice presentation. It contributed towards my decision to purchase the silver jubilee as I already own a 1983 JCM800 50 watt. They are both great amps but I prefer the silver jub for gigging.
Great video! Thanks for taking time to make it! What Marshall doesn’t sound awesome! I liked both for different purposes. For what I would use it for, I would probably get more use out of the 800. I have 100 watt JVM - versatility is my cup of tea.
I hope you do a demo / review of the new Studio Vintage too - that looks incredible, although I’m not sure it could be used as a home amp without an Attenuator.
Great review of both amps Phill, for me its the Jcm 800, i think it just as an all round better sound, for me any way, Thank You for Your Time in doing this for us, Cheers
I own the SJ combo, and I can get it much cleaner than that. Did not think this was a fair review of the SJ. You told about the eq on the 800, but did not mention the eq on the SJ, which works very well! I’m not a big fan of the rhythm clip mode, but it’s there. For me the silver jubilee wins, because I think it’s very versatile.
Without the tubescreamer, the Jubilee's distortion sounds better to me, but throw that boost in that whoa, that JCM800 sounds killer. I'm still torn between the two because the ability to use a footswitch to change to the Jubilee's cleanish channel is very tempting.
That logo was the first thing I noticed...it reminds me of the much cheaper dsl 20watt....I would have proffered the larger logo as well but that can always be changed. 2 years ago at Gearfest I asked Steve from Marshall about doing a mini 800 and he said they never would because the 800 doesn't have enough gain...I told him they were missing out on a goldmine. Glad to know they listened to me. 😃
This is a pretty decent review I own the Silver Jubilee 20 watt I’ve had it for about 10 months and I absolutely love it. The gain is killer it’s like a JCM800 on steroids or a modded JCM800 people call it. And on the clean channel if you Dime out both volumes and turn the gain up it actually has a plexi or maybe JTM45 vibe to it, not a ton of gain But really full sounding with a decent amount of gain. I have to disagree with you that it doesn’t sound good at lower volume I think it actually sounds really good In my opinion. And then I agree with you when you turn it on 20 W and crank it up it does sound super good.
Jubilee clean channel was flatter sounding, a platform which could give pedals more dynamic range. The 800 clean was maybe too full and low, fun modulation or dynamic fuzz and glitch pedals could likely make it “flub” out too much. Philip made it sound like the 800 eq section wasn’t that responsive. As a pedal platform I would suggest the Jubilee (probably more user friendly), but if all you’re going to do is the tube-screamer thing, then the 800 would be more than fine. Edit: I think the channel switching would be much more consistent on the jubilee. The volume differences on the 800 could be a deal breaker. Jubilee will cut through mixes more. That’s probably a downside for 800’s low end fullness, sure sounds great by itself, but the limited eq would lose frequencies in a live band situation (pedal eq’s could probably compensate though). If the 800 had more eq control and better volumes levels between clean and dirty, it would almost be the perfect 20watt amp for a rock traditionalist. I think the Jubilee has more bang for the buck for young beginners wanting a quality versatile amp and I have seen them used for around $800-$900, that’s $400 to $300 less!
Thanks for the comparison! Both sound good and both sound different. I prefer the JCM 800's sound here for it's presence and found that the Silver Jubilee had a boxy sound at 20 watts on the distortion channel.
Great stuff Phil! Definitely prefer the bigger logo like you. Just looks a bit nicer. I can see how the 800 would be slightly more flexible because it doesn’t have all the added gain and grit/fizz. I did feel like the Silver Jubilee reacted better to the TS9. Can’t explain it, just thought the amp and pedal worked well together. Maybe a fuller drive pedal would be better with the 800? Either way, great stuff.
I have a MIni Jub COMbo, and I have brightness issues. I find the Nobels ODR-1 is a great overdrive to work with the Jubilee for home playing, as it has a fuller bass response. My old ears like that. The mini ODR-1 is such a cute little green bug of a pedal, no reaps not to own one.
One thing my Sweetwater engineer shared (I was torn between 800 andJubilee) is that the 800 takes an OD pedal better/works better with pedals. I have an 800 on order. Stoked! Great vid, Phil. Always value your opinion.
Both great heads. I own the Jubilee so no reason to swap it because it sounds close enough to the 800 and just adds some gain and a superb clean channel. Btw: If you roll down your guitar volume the clean channel is very clean and just amazing. Now i know i need the 20 Watt plexi in addition to the Jubilee. Should complement each other well :-) Thanx
I'm new to guitar. Never had a Marshall yet but I think if I had to choose between these two, the Marshall jcm 800. I like the best. Thanks for doing the Battle between the two. Hopefully someday I can get one
Isn't it crazy how different people hear things differently, some people like on over the other, vise versa... Crazy,i like the 800 better, strange huh?
Phil, where the hell were you when I was trying to compare the Silver Jubilee to the Engl Ironball?I couldn’t find one demo of the Jubilee from you I noticed it in the background of your videos but that is it! You’re still the best and most trustworthy
Cool review! I have a JCM800 2210 (2 channel 100W) and your remark about putting the Master volume on 3 made me laugh. Never ever did that. It already hurts just thinking of it 😆. I like the small logo. The 800 looks more like a resized baby version of big brother with a resized logo to keep proportions right. The Jubilee immediately looks like a mini-amp to me because the logo is so big. They sound great, but I do prefer the 800 Studio! What a great 800 sound. Keep ‘m coming Philip. Love your approach to things!
I have a 50 watt Silver Jubilee I bought in 1988. I paired it with a 2x12 Marshall cab and played all over the SE US with it. It held up great and served me in several bands over about a decade. It's an awesome amp I hope to leave to my son who plays. HOWEVER, one night I showed up at the recording studio without it, and a friend who worked at a music store opened the place up and let me borrow anything we needed for the session. I chose a new 1988 Jubilee 50-watt in the black tolex, took it to the studio and plugged into a 4x12 cab the studio owned. OMG....I'd never before and I've never since heard anything like it!!!! Having owned 4-5 Marshall amps I'd heard the range from crappy to heavenly, and this amp was absolute MAGIC! I love my Silver Jubilee, but I'll never quite forgive myself for not buying that black Jubilee. It was one in a million, and it's gone forever! lol
I wanted to own a jcm 800 for years. Then I saw the silver jubi.. I just ordered it in a heartbeat. For me the sound is very close tho the jubi has more bite, which I like and then 2 channels that make your life so much easier for gigs. So jubi for me. Love em both tho...cheers!
One of the reasons these are the size they are, and larger than the Friedman/Mesa/Peavey/etc. mini heads, is because they're running EL34s, not EL84s. Gotta put those bigger tubes somewhere! EDIT: On the subject of the 20 watt vs. 5 watt mode on the 800, what I found with mine (I ordered one as soon as they were announced pretty much, it's basically exactly what I've wanted Marshall to make for a looooong time) is that the 5 watt is a bit smoother; the 20 watt is a bit more aggressive and in-your-face. It's not miles apart, but it's definitely a bit different.
I think the smaller logo help the whole head look like what we're used to seeing a marshall head look like. Scale-wise. Like if you look at the size of a 50 pr 100 watt head and scale it down to the size this head, the logo would probably be about the same size, where as on the Silver head the logo is the same size as a standard logo, but because of the size of the head, the logo appears out-of-scale when compared to a scaled down 100 watt head. At least this is what makes sense to me.
I never had an amp head before just the hughes and kettner black spirit 200 but when i heard the jubilee i felt in love with how agressive it sound then henning pauly said that this was the amp that slash used for appetite for destruction, my favorite rock album ever! so everything make sense jaja thanks for the video
I have had an JCM 800 50 watt since 1991. The guy I got it from said he thought it's an 86 or 87. But a few years ago when i had some work done on it I found a little tag taped inside which had the inspectors initials with a date from 1981. Yahoo that's the first year they went from the JPM to the 800.
Having owned an original 1983 2203 800 from new, I was disappointed in the sound of the 20W, much preferring the Silver Jubilee, until you added the TS9. Then it brought back the epic tone I remembered. I was leaning toward the Silver Jubilee, but now having heard the 800 with the TS9, I think that will be my next amp.
When you played them both at gain with no boost, I loved the Jubilee. That's the marshall sound I love. But, I have to admit that the tube screamer 800 was just awesome. I think I would go jubilee, but I wouldn't be sad with either of them.
I’m curious how the JCM800 20 watt compares to the cheaper $499 list DSL20H? I just bought a used one for $370 total, should be here in a few days. The DSL20H gets great reviews.
I’ve got the 20 watt JCM800 and I love it. It made me buy yet another pedal board! I’ve got an A/B box and Ive been using it to go back and forth between this and a 2061 and that is very interesting.. I’ve got the studio 800 on an original 800 lead series cab and and the 2061 on a 900 cab so my guitarist guests can play also. They both sound different but great, recently we had a Preista-palooza in my basement....
Thank you sir for the review, I like it simple!! One channel! That’s all I have on my Marshall Class 5 , and I love it!! Over 20 years as a hobby guitarist, I’m seriously thinking of getting the Marshall 20/5 watt JCM 800
Hard to compare without checking the settings. I own a 2525c and gain, equ, and boost switch change massively the sound - that's actually crazy how it affects the sound. I'd think the silver jubilee can get the same sound as the 800 but has more versatility.
@@guitarexpert2245 I've seen various of your comments and seems you are very hurtful about the review. Why don't you show how to do a proper review of those amps?
@@ulisessolis3182 Well not trying to be hurtful. However if this is his job which this is , he should know how to properly dial in this amp in every way. I'm not saying he's bad person in fact he's a really good guy met him once and talked for an hour.
I agree with that single channel thing you said at the end. I learned on a Peavey Vypyr that had a ton of different sounds on it. Different cleans and dirty channels, and a bunch of effects. But now, I just use single channel amps, with a simple volume control, and a tone, and that is more than enough for me. I don't even need pedals most of the time. Also, I am partial to the Silver Jubilee, but that is just because I've wanted one for such a long time. However, I think the 800 is closer to what I need.
Thanks for the comparison. Maybe it was different in the room, but from the recording I actually preferred the Silver Jubilee sound. You made a good point about how the JCM can get cleaner, and that is something to consider for the Jubilee if it still retains some crunch. If I played either one on their own with no comparison both sound great and like I'd expect from a Marshall. I'd really like to hear the plexi. After this comparison now I am curious about the older 1 watt again for home use, since I could turn one of those up and really get them cranking.
I see the vast majority of folks like the SJ, but I'm more in line with Phillip''s thinking that it's clean channel is harder to clean up with a high output humbucker loaded guitar. I still own a JCM800 Model 2210 (the 100W behemoths that'll stop your heart with muted chords) and I've always preferred the high headroom of a clean amp & let your "clean boost" pedals push it into clipping. Just like food, everyone's tastes will differ and to each their own. But being a JCM800 customer for over 30 years, I'm stoked to see a 20W edition with the same character.
I'm on the JCM 800 train. I will always choose an amp that has a very clean tone and good distortion tones over an amp that can never be perfectly clean. The 800 just sounded better to my ears all the way around. But the fact that it does cleans quite well, definitely wins the day for me.
Great amps made pocket size! I have the 50/100watt silver jubilee paired with a 1960AV 4x12 and it’s awesome. However it is overkill really so this video is really informative for which mini Marshall I should invest in :) great video mate, cheers Ross.
I think both of them would blow the doors off of that Marshall. Dave Friedman has more expertise, and his amp's components are much better quality. His amps have a lifetime warranty. Marshall can't touch that. Dave backs his amps with a lifetime warranty, because he knows how good they truly are, compared to other amps. Metropoulos are also amazing amps. George Metropolous and Dave Friedman are Experts when it comes to tone, and an amp's features. Another great amp brand is Splawn. Scott Splawn knows his shit too..I'm about to buy a Friedman BE-50, and I'm like a little kid, waiting on his bicycle that he wants for Christmas. You don't have to be rich to get one. You can get a 4 year payment plan on them, to make them possible for anybody to buy, as long as you have decent credit. Friedman Speaker Cabinets are the top of the heap. His best sounding one, imo is the cab with 2 greenbacks on top, and two vintage 30's on the bottom. Their sound is mindblowing. With amps, you get what you pay for. I would rather hand built amps, compared to amps that are mass produced like Marshall. With the BE-50 amp, they are 3 channels. Their clean is as nice as Fender, which is a rarity. The other two gain channels can achieve any tone that Marshall ever made, and beat them, at their own game, being the Best. Check them out. His amps are the end of the line, and top of the heap. You can't find amps, with more Tonal options than his amps. Check them out. Imo, also, Sweetwater is the best musical instrument company to buy from. Their customer service is the best of the best. I've bought many things from them.
I totaly disagree. Friedmans lack Midrange. That's what sets a Marshall apart. That's what made the origianl JCM 800 stand out. Its that piercing midrange that makes the sound stand out in a band. That's what Marshall's have. All Friedmans lack midrange. They are still great amps but they don't stand out in a mix with a band. Example. Went to Kaboo Festival in San Diego last summer. Saw, Soul Asylum, Alice in Chains, Billy Idol and tons of other bands. Sould Asylum used a Marshall JMP & JCM 2000 DSL. the other two bands used Friedmans. I was hard to hear Steve Stevens guitar and Jerry Cantrel'sl. But Soul Aslyums guitars stood out and they are a crap band compared to the other two. Friedmans lack Midrange. I've played through a BE100 Dirty Shirly, & Runt 50. They definitly sustain more but lack that midrange. But, hey, that's just my opinon
Saved my pennies and got the full sized jubilee. Sounds way better. Completely impractical and over the top for what I do but i don't regret it one bit. Plus, you can put whatever power tubes you want in it and bias it yourself with the external bias points.
Phil, you were kind enough to spend a couple minutes with me at NAMM last week. Want to let the viewers know you are an even nicer guy in person (and you’re great on these videos). Thank you for doing these amp tests miked with no post production. Too many other channels literally create Ted Templeman productions where it gets impossible to compare anything. Your tests are much more valuable for gear heads.
I have a 1982 jcm 800 2204 that I have set up for kt88 and it's so loud it melt ur face off, I got rid of the PCb and handwired the hole thing, it screams, I voiced the low input to be more fenderish, but kept the hi channel original, the new one sound pretty close to it, mine has more grunge and grit, cuase 30 more watts, but 20 watts is loud enuff, I built a 5e3 clone with 14 watts it's loud enuff.
A compelling comparison.. thank you, great playing and well dialed in amps.. some other reviewers could take notes!.. for me, i liked the low mids of the SJ
We have 2 50 watt JCM 800’s in our studio, and also a JCM 900 MKiii, and a Mini Jubilee The JCM 800 20 watt can’t even get near the tone of those amps. We use a Waza Tube Expander and a UA Ox and they sound enormous on stage and in recording without blasting. We found the 20 watt 800 to be disappointing to say the least. The Jubilee 20 sounds enormous and there is a bit of a trial and error to dial this monster in...but well worth it. We don’t recommend the 800 20 watt but a big thumbs up for the Jubilee 20
I think the Jubilee is better for those wanting high gain with nothing but amp and guitar, but for pedals I like the JCM 800 clean (low input) better. For juicy 60's and 70's rock tones, the JCM with gain below 7 I think has a warmer character and more classic feel. The Jub is def the way to go for hot-rodded, searing lead tones, or bringing the metal sans-pedals.
Great demo Phil, I do prefer the 800, I think the Jubilee is just a souped up 800 with more highs and a bit more gain, a bit too fizzy for me. I would love to see you compare the 800 to the slp 20 studio if you get one.
I chose the special edition jubilee. I did not see this video first. I absolutely love it so far. Everytime I turn it on I think " thats the sound in my head". Now I want them all, the plexi will definitely be my next one.
the silver jubilee is simply a perfect sounding amp... It's my dream amp
Having owned both amps (50 and 100 watt versions) I always prefer the 800 for most applications, but the Jubilee shines with a strat. This video should have shown what a Jube or even JCM800 sounds like with a strat.
I've been gigging with mini Jubes for the last two years, head through a nice 212 and solidly with the combo as well. I recently swapped the 25W Greenback in the combo for a 65W Creamback and O-M-G. Anyway, very impressed with the mini 800 but the Jubilee will always be tops in my book. Great review btw. :)
Are they both so similar that it would be silly to have both or ?
@@benallmark9671 I no longer have that head but yes, some gigs would call for the head through a 212 or even a 412 but the combo is king! Still my work horse for 5+ years!
@@danyb8078 glad to hear. Thanks for the response.
To me the jubilee has always been the pinnacle of marshall tone. It’s gain channel is like a mildly boosted jcm800 (which is what most people would do back in the day anyway). And then the clean channel has that original JTM45 flavour. AND THEN, puling the “rhythm clip” knob on the clean channel gets you to that cranked plexi super lead roar! It was made to celebrate 25 years of marshall, gathering all of the famously awarded brown tones, but done right (simple loud analog tube amp). If that’s not versatility for a marshall, i don’t know what is...
The jubelee is my dream amp!
What is not captured in this video is how versatile the Silver Jubilee mini's EQ is! Very responsive...you could probably dial in the exact JCM 800 tone if that is what you want.
I used to have 2 of the full size Jubilees when they first came out. I had them for a few years before switching to the JMP1 preamp & 9200 power amp which offered so much in sonic options and midi, but I loved the Jubilees. Tone for days. Because of the loop being right before the power stage, I was able to boost the power stage and tweak the sound with a rack mount graphic EQ. I really lover power tube gain. When I got that into a large room or studio, it just roared and I could just move my finger along the 6th string and play big, fat feedback melodies, but it was noisy when I stopped playing with the rig set up that way so I had to add a noise gate to cut the signal when I stopped playing. I think I had the gate after the EQ. I used to get a lot of compliments about my sound with that rig. Even the engineer in one studio got up from the board and walked over to the isolation booth to see what I was playing through. Marshall delivered big time with that amp.
But the JTM45 and cranked plexi SL amps have no diodes in the pre-amp stages. They are 100 present all tube signal path. So no way Ray do I agree. But the jubilee does sound good in its own little way.
Ann anthony I’m sorry but i think that’s kind of irrelevant. Having diode clipping in a tube amp just means that it has a built in “boost pedal” specially tuned for that amp. As i said, most people already used jcm800s with some sort of boost. As for the jubilee, the diode clipping in the rythm clipp knob is just how marshall managed to add versatility with marshall tones in mind. It still has a pure all tube clipping if you don’t want that, but why not? ;)
For those considering the two, the Silver Jubilee mini actually has a very responsive EQ. The slightest move of the knobs change the sound very noticeably. This gives you the ability to tweak the tone any way you want to. It also technically has 3 channels: Clean (very Fender like....no distorted tones like in this video - probably depends on your pickups IDK), Rythym Clip, and Lead. Agree that 20 watt mode sounds fuller...however, you can tweak the 5 watt mode with that responsive EQ though and it sounds fine. Great sounding amp!
Had SJ MINI and this versatility is to a fault for playing live if you wanted to switch channels with it's shared EQ...Constant tweeking. Not a problem if you just use one setting .
@@cmath8577 Good point.
Its incredible how responsive it is....
I own the Mini Jubilee... it’s a killer sounding amp...the EQ is very responsive and the tone that comes out of it depends on your settings. It is a different kind of Marshall in a very good way. One major difference between it and other classic Marshalls is that it uses diode clipping distortion . The diodes can be engaged by pulling the Input Gain knob . I do not engage the diodes. Some on other forums say that the diodes are always on until you get the lead master up past 5 . I don’t know if that is true or not. All I know is that if you take the time to experiment with the EQ this amp is a formidable weapon and worthy of the Marshall name. If you have a good cab with good speakers and a good guitar with decent pickups this amp sounds great. This amp is right up there with my ‘81 2204 and Friedman. Marshall got it right with this amp.
I just picked up the Silver Jubilee mini. I had an 82, 2204 sold it 2 years ago, (wish I never did) It was such a bright amp, that's why I loved it, had that ear piercing high mids. That's what cuts through a band mix. . Been playing the Jubilee, it doesn't sound as bright as my 2204, but it's hard to remember it was a while ago. I've played the Studio Classic at G.C, , doesn't have much gain but takes pedals amazingly and seems like it's as bright as my 2204 was. I'm seeing a lot of Studio Classic's on the used market after only being released less than a year ago. That tells me people don't dig them if they are selling them after a few months. There's like 5 of them on Reverb, a few on Ebay and about 4 on G.C used online.
Anyway, the gain on the mini is great. The sustain is amzaing and cleans are incredible How do you think it cuts through a band mix? I also own a JCM 2000 that's just as bright as the 800 with a shitload more gain. This Jubilee is so different, than the 2000, much more like the 800 but a little different. and yes the EQ's are very sensitive. I'm glad you think it's right up there with your 2204, that makes me feel alot better.
@Fusion72 low input on 800 is almost squeaky clean.
OMG how did I miss this! These are great! In your vids, you've been telling Marshall to make these for years! haha.
Hey Nielsen! I follow your channel, and I also think you should try these out 😊
Also help me spread the word that Marshall should make pedalboard friendly pre and poweramps.
Great video Phillip. I actually just got the JCM 800 Studio Classic. I always loved Marshall especially the JCM 800 but I never needed 100 watts worth. Then I got the mini Jubilee and it just didn't do it for me. I don't know why but it didn't. So I have been running the DSL which I love. Then this 800 came out so I grabbed the last one from where I buy my gear. Gonna spend the rest of the weekend messing with it. Again...great video....so far the best one on the Tube about this 20 watt beast.
I have always wanted the big powerful JCM 800 but you may have brought me over to practical. 20 watt tube power is more than enough and you can bring out to full sound in a cranked Marshall. Thanks Phil for all you do!
Excellant review. Direct mic to amp, no effects. Just the amp. Thanks
Hey man. It’s about time for another “Who makes what,” video. That was the first video of yours I saw and I’ve been following ever since.
When I started playing in the 80s I always felt the Marshalls of the day were brash and too hard on the ears until...I saw a friend’s band play and he had a Jubilee!! I was in love from that moment on and I still feel that way.
Nice presentation. It contributed towards my decision to purchase the silver jubilee as I already own a 1983 JCM800 50 watt. They are both great amps but I prefer the silver jub for gigging.
I had an 87 jubilee the 25/50 model. I’ll spend the rest of my life trying to replicate
It’s original tone! Best amp I ever owned,,,hands down!
Thanks PM, as always the comments are priceless and full of good info. Rock on brothers
Great video! Thanks for taking time to make it! What Marshall doesn’t sound awesome! I liked both for different purposes. For what I would use it for, I would probably get more use out of the 800. I have 100 watt JVM - versatility is my cup of tea.
Excellent vid! Still glad I went with the mini Silver Jubilee combo!! 🤘🏼
I hope you do a demo / review of the new Studio Vintage too - that looks incredible, although I’m not sure it could be used as a home amp without an Attenuator.
Man I love your reviews. Just plain honest and informative.
Great review of both amps Phill, for me its the Jcm 800, i think it just as an all round better sound, for me any way, Thank You for Your Time in doing this for us, Cheers
Thanks for the detailed review, the silver jubilee sounds better to my ears, thanks again
I own the SJ combo, and I can get it much cleaner than that. Did not think this was a fair review of the SJ. You told about the eq on the 800, but did not mention the eq on the SJ, which works very well! I’m not a big fan of the rhythm clip mode, but it’s there. For me the silver jubilee wins, because I think it’s very versatile.
Yea it's a really lam reviews. Read my comments at the top of the review. He has all the gains setup incorrectly.
Without the tubescreamer, the Jubilee's distortion sounds better to me, but throw that boost in that whoa, that JCM800 sounds killer. I'm still torn between the two because the ability to use a footswitch to change to the Jubilee's cleanish channel is very tempting.
That logo was the first thing I noticed...it reminds me of the much cheaper dsl 20watt....I would have proffered the larger logo as well but that can always be changed.
2 years ago at Gearfest I asked Steve from Marshall about doing a mini 800 and he said they never would because the 800 doesn't have enough gain...I told him they were missing out on a goldmine. Glad to know they listened to me. 😃
This is a pretty decent review I own the Silver Jubilee 20 watt I’ve had it for about 10 months and I absolutely love it. The gain is killer it’s like a JCM800 on steroids or a modded JCM800 people call it. And on the clean channel if you Dime out both volumes and turn the gain up it actually has a plexi or maybe JTM45 vibe to it, not a ton of gain But really full sounding with a decent amount of gain. I have to disagree with you that it doesn’t sound good at lower volume I think it actually sounds really good In my opinion. And then I agree with you when you turn it on 20 W and crank it up it does sound super good.
Jubilee clean channel was flatter sounding, a platform which could give pedals more dynamic range. The 800 clean was maybe too full and low, fun modulation or dynamic fuzz and glitch pedals could likely make it “flub” out too much. Philip made it sound like the 800 eq section wasn’t that responsive. As a pedal platform I would suggest the Jubilee (probably more user friendly), but if all you’re going to do is the tube-screamer thing, then the 800 would be more than fine.
Edit: I think the channel switching would be much more consistent on the jubilee. The volume differences on the 800 could be a deal breaker. Jubilee will cut through mixes more. That’s probably a downside for 800’s low end fullness, sure sounds great by itself, but the limited eq would lose frequencies in a live band situation (pedal eq’s could probably compensate though).
If the 800 had more eq control and better volumes levels between clean and dirty, it would almost be the perfect 20watt amp for a rock traditionalist. I think the Jubilee has more bang for the buck for young beginners wanting a quality versatile amp and I have seen them used for around $800-$900, that’s $400 to $300 less!
To me the jubilee sounded better.Both were good. Both have nostalgia for me. The 800 sounded like the old 800s. It was close for me.
Thanks for this Phil. I already have the Jubilee but was thinking of buying the jcm 800. In this demo though, the jubilee sounds better to my taste
Well done! Great job explaining the nuances. Keep up doing great videos like these.
Thanks for the comparison! Both sound good and both sound different. I prefer the JCM 800's sound here for it's presence and found that the Silver Jubilee had a boxy sound at 20 watts on the distortion channel.
JCM 800 gets my vote. Would like to see a review of the superlead vs JCM 800.
Great stuff Phil! Definitely prefer the bigger logo like you. Just looks a bit nicer.
I can see how the 800 would be slightly more flexible because it doesn’t have all the added gain and grit/fizz.
I did feel like the Silver Jubilee reacted better to the TS9. Can’t explain it, just thought the amp and pedal worked well together. Maybe a fuller drive pedal would be better with the 800?
Either way, great stuff.
I have a MIni Jub COMbo, and I have brightness issues. I find the Nobels ODR-1 is a great overdrive to work with the Jubilee for home playing, as it has a fuller bass response. My old ears like that. The mini ODR-1 is such a cute little green bug of a pedal, no reaps not to own one.
That kinda money why should it even need a pedal to bump the front end?? OUCH!!
Phil: WOW, these amps bring out even more greatness in you! Love it!!!
One thing my Sweetwater engineer shared (I was torn between 800 andJubilee) is that the 800 takes an OD pedal better/works better with pedals. I have an 800 on order. Stoked! Great vid, Phil. Always value your opinion.
This is true. But he left out the Jub doesn't need a pedal. it' has much more gain on tap or you gain dial it down too.
I have to go JCM 800, ever since they made the announcement of this my mind has been coming up with a plan to get the cash for it.
Do you have it now?
Those amps sound great with the SG
indeed
A lot of awesome things I didn't know. Thanks Phil!
Both great heads. I own the Jubilee so no reason to swap it because it sounds close enough to the 800 and just adds some gain and a superb clean channel. Btw: If you roll down your guitar volume the clean channel is very clean and just amazing.
Now i know i need the 20 Watt plexi in addition to the Jubilee. Should complement each other well :-)
Thanx
Tell me about it lol :)
Do you still feel the same in that you don’t need both the SJ and the 800 because they’re so similar or ?
Sv is so loud... Have one, but that's why I'm here
I'm new to guitar. Never had a Marshall yet but I think if I had to choose between these two, the Marshall jcm 800. I like the best. Thanks for doing the Battle between the two. Hopefully someday I can get one
I liked the bite of the SJ better. The 800 just didn’t excite me. I’d be curious to hear the Plexi though.
Isn't it crazy how different people hear things differently, some people like on over the other, vise versa... Crazy,i like the 800 better, strange huh?
Liked the the 800 better..
Bravo from France ! The best comparaison between JCM 800 studio and silver jubilee 25/25.
Glad you liked it!
Phil, where the hell were you when I was trying to compare the Silver Jubilee to the Engl Ironball?I couldn’t find one demo of the Jubilee from you I noticed it in the background of your videos but that is it! You’re still the best and most trustworthy
Cool review! I have a JCM800 2210 (2 channel 100W) and your remark about putting the Master volume on 3 made me laugh. Never ever did that. It already hurts just thinking of it 😆. I like the small logo. The 800 looks more like a resized baby version of big brother with a resized logo to keep proportions right. The Jubilee immediately looks like a mini-amp to me because the logo is so big. They sound great, but I do prefer the 800 Studio! What a great 800 sound. Keep ‘m coming Philip. Love your approach to things!
Both sound great. Imagine hard pan left and right & layering a few recordings. Perfect 80s tone.
Very cool that you’re rocking the SG! Awesome guitar, and sounds great through either amp!
You missed out on the jubilee it's the light breakup mid crunch tones that are so outstanding the variation of grit you can get that's what's up
I really like the Jubilee- has that raw Marshall sound to my ears.
I have a 50 watt Silver Jubilee I bought in 1988. I paired it with a 2x12 Marshall cab and played all over the SE US with it. It held up great and served me in several bands over about a decade. It's an awesome amp I hope to leave to my son who plays. HOWEVER, one night I showed up at the recording studio without it, and a friend who worked at a music store opened the place up and let me borrow anything we needed for the session. I chose a new 1988 Jubilee 50-watt in the black tolex, took it to the studio and plugged into a 4x12 cab the studio owned. OMG....I'd never before and I've never since heard anything like it!!!! Having owned 4-5 Marshall amps I'd heard the range from crappy to heavenly, and this amp was absolute MAGIC! I love my Silver Jubilee, but I'll never quite forgive myself for not buying that black Jubilee. It was one in a million, and it's gone forever! lol
The thickness/low mids of the jubilee is out of this world
I like the sound of the Silver Jubilee better, and I definitely like the larger nameplate on the Jubilee (its more proportionate)
I suppose the name plate would be easy enough to switch. I think you can buy the Marshall nameplates
You rocked so hard I never noticed if they sounded different. Love the playing, keep up the good work.
Thanks Phil, for this great show down.
Pretty close; but, the 800 sounded just a little thinner, to me. I'd pick the SJ, if I was given a choice.
I’ve been hoping for a great 20W amp from Marshall for a while now. I preferred the JCM on this video. Thx Phil!
I wanted to own a jcm 800 for years. Then I saw the silver jubi.. I just ordered it in a heartbeat. For me the sound is very close tho the jubi has more bite, which I like and then 2 channels that make your life so much easier for gigs. So jubi for me. Love em both tho...cheers!
One of the reasons these are the size they are, and larger than the Friedman/Mesa/Peavey/etc. mini heads, is because they're running EL34s, not EL84s. Gotta put those bigger tubes somewhere!
EDIT: On the subject of the 20 watt vs. 5 watt mode on the 800, what I found with mine (I ordered one as soon as they were announced pretty much, it's basically exactly what I've wanted Marshall to make for a looooong time) is that the 5 watt is a bit smoother; the 20 watt is a bit more aggressive and in-your-face. It's not miles apart, but it's definitely a bit different.
I think the smaller logo help the whole head look like what we're used to seeing a marshall head look like. Scale-wise. Like if you look at the size of a 50 pr 100 watt head and scale it down to the size this head, the logo would probably be about the same size, where as on the Silver head the logo is the same size as a standard logo, but because of the size of the head, the logo appears out-of-scale when compared to a scaled down 100 watt head. At least this is what makes sense to me.
I never had an amp head before just the hughes and kettner black spirit 200 but when i heard the jubilee i felt in love with how agressive it sound then henning pauly said that this was the amp that slash used for appetite for destruction, my favorite rock album ever! so everything make sense jaja thanks for the video
I have had an JCM 800 50 watt since 1991. The guy I got it from said he thought it's an 86 or 87. But a few years ago when i had some work done on it I found a little tag taped inside which had the inspectors initials with a date from 1981. Yahoo that's the first year they went from the JPM to the 800.
Having owned an original 1983 2203 800 from new, I was disappointed in the sound of the 20W, much preferring the Silver Jubilee, until you added the TS9. Then it brought back the epic tone I remembered. I was leaning toward the Silver Jubilee, but now having heard the 800 with the TS9, I think that will be my next amp.
Have the Jubi and its great. Perfect for a modern guitarist that doesnt need 50 or 100 Watt.
When you played them both at gain with no boost, I loved the Jubilee. That's the marshall sound I love. But, I have to admit that the tube screamer 800 was just awesome. I think I would go jubilee, but I wouldn't be sad with either of them.
I’m curious how the JCM800 20 watt compares to the cheaper $499 list DSL20H? I just bought a used one for $370 total, should be here in a few days. The DSL20H gets great reviews.
I’ve got the 20 watt JCM800 and I love it. It made me buy yet another pedal board! I’ve got an A/B box and Ive been using it to go back and forth between this and a 2061 and that is very interesting.. I’ve got the studio 800 on an original 800 lead series cab and and the 2061 on a 900 cab so my guitarist guests can play also. They both sound different but great, recently we had a Preista-palooza in my basement....
I'd go with JCM800. Don't like the fizz of the Jubilee as much but would love to own all 3 in the series.
Thank you sir for the review, I like it simple!! One channel! That’s all I have on my Marshall Class 5 , and I love it!! Over 20 years as a hobby guitarist, I’m seriously thinking of getting the Marshall 20/5 watt JCM 800
Yeah, I dig my little Class 5, too. Dime all the knobs and throw an OD in front. Rocks
Hard to compare without checking the settings. I own a 2525c and gain, equ, and boost switch change massively the sound - that's actually crazy how it affects the sound. I'd think the silver jubilee can get the same sound as the 800 but has more versatility.
Exactly. He didn't demo it properly & this is what he does for a living? Pretty awful. Shame on him.
@@guitarexpert2245 I've seen various of your comments and seems you are very hurtful about the review. Why don't you show how to do a proper review of those amps?
@@ulisessolis3182 Well not trying to be hurtful. However if this is his job which this is , he should know how to properly dial in this amp in every way. I'm not saying he's bad person in fact he's a really good guy met him once and talked for an hour.
Silver Jubilee has great clean, crunch . Just hit it with a tube screamer for high gain.
Those 1 watt amps are absolutely INCREDIBLE though. Wish they still made them all instead of just the DSL as they're all killer
JCM800 gots the beef I dig. The silver jubilee reminds me of the Vox AC30 on the mid range which is also an amazing amp :)
I agree with that single channel thing you said at the end. I learned on a Peavey Vypyr that had a ton of different sounds on it. Different cleans and dirty channels, and a bunch of effects.
But now, I just use single channel amps, with a simple volume control, and a tone, and that is more than enough for me. I don't even need pedals most of the time.
Also, I am partial to the Silver Jubilee, but that is just because I've wanted one for such a long time. However, I think the 800 is closer to what I need.
Thanks for the comparison. Maybe it was different in the room, but from the recording I actually preferred the Silver Jubilee sound. You made a good point about how the JCM can get cleaner, and that is something to consider for the Jubilee if it still retains some crunch. If I played either one on their own with no comparison both sound great and like I'd expect from a Marshall. I'd really like to hear the plexi. After this comparison now I am curious about the older 1 watt again for home use, since I could turn one of those up and really get them cranking.
Jubilee FTW. Thank you for presenting this!
Crue and Scorpions licks in a review of a JCM800? Totally appropriate. Love it!
I see the vast majority of folks like the SJ, but I'm more in line with Phillip''s thinking that it's clean channel is harder to clean up with a high output humbucker loaded guitar. I still own a JCM800 Model 2210 (the 100W behemoths that'll stop your heart with muted chords) and I've always preferred the high headroom of a clean amp & let your "clean boost" pedals push it into clipping. Just like food, everyone's tastes will differ and to each their own. But being a JCM800 customer for over 30 years, I'm stoked to see a 20W edition with the same character.
I preffer the 800. As a pedal platform it works great for me! Plus I love it's clean!
I'm on the JCM 800 train. I will always choose an amp that has a very clean tone and good distortion tones over an amp that can never be perfectly clean. The 800 just sounded better to my ears all the way around. But the fact that it does cleans quite well, definitely wins the day for me.
Great amps made pocket size! I have the 50/100watt silver jubilee paired with a 1960AV 4x12 and it’s awesome. However it is overkill really so this video is really informative for which mini Marshall I should invest in :) great video mate, cheers Ross.
I definitely wanna see the 20 watt JCM 800 against the 20 watt Friedmans (either the Runt or the PT-20).
I think both of them would blow the doors off of that Marshall. Dave Friedman has more expertise, and his amp's components are much better quality. His amps have a lifetime warranty. Marshall can't touch that. Dave backs his amps with a lifetime warranty, because he knows how good they truly are, compared to other amps. Metropoulos are also amazing amps. George Metropolous and Dave Friedman are Experts when it comes to tone, and an amp's features. Another great amp brand is Splawn. Scott Splawn knows his shit too..I'm about to buy a Friedman BE-50, and I'm like a little kid, waiting on his bicycle that he wants for Christmas. You don't have to be rich to get one. You can get a 4 year payment plan on them, to make them possible for anybody to buy, as long as you have decent credit. Friedman Speaker Cabinets are the top of the heap. His best sounding one, imo is the cab with 2 greenbacks on top, and two vintage 30's on the bottom. Their sound is mindblowing. With amps, you get what you pay for. I would rather hand built amps, compared to amps that are mass produced like Marshall. With the BE-50 amp, they are 3 channels. Their clean is as nice as Fender, which is a rarity. The other two gain channels can achieve any tone that Marshall ever made, and beat them, at their own game, being the Best. Check them out. His amps are the end of the line, and top of the heap. You can't find amps, with more Tonal options than his amps. Check them out. Imo, also, Sweetwater is the best musical instrument company to buy from. Their customer service is the best of the best. I've bought many things from them.
I totaly disagree. Friedmans lack Midrange. That's what sets a Marshall apart. That's what made the origianl JCM 800 stand out. Its that piercing midrange that makes the sound stand out in a band. That's what Marshall's have. All Friedmans lack midrange. They are still great amps but they don't stand out in a mix with a band. Example. Went to Kaboo Festival in San Diego last summer. Saw, Soul Asylum, Alice in Chains, Billy Idol and tons of other bands. Sould Asylum used a Marshall JMP & JCM 2000 DSL. the other two bands used Friedmans. I was hard to hear Steve Stevens guitar and Jerry Cantrel'sl. But Soul Aslyums guitars stood out and they are a crap band compared to the other two. Friedmans lack Midrange. I've played through a BE100 Dirty Shirly, & Runt 50. They definitly sustain more but lack that midrange. But, hey, that's just my opinon
I love my SJ Moni in 5 watt mode. I set the Mids to full, the bass to 3 o'clock, the Master output to 3 o'clock and everything else to noon.
Saved my pennies and got the full sized jubilee. Sounds way better. Completely impractical and over the top for what I do but i don't regret it one bit. Plus, you can put whatever power tubes you want in it and bias it yourself with the external bias points.
That crazy chrain cover was amazing Phil!
Yes except tempo my friend tempo!
I can't stop watching Marshall 20w studio amp reviews. Now which one to get? Plexi !!!
Phil if you could have only one would it be the 800, Runt or Pink Taco? Non-gigging home enthusiast here...
Both pretty perfect and not huge differences. Cleans up better on the 800
SJ, being a two channel amp with a rythm clipping option (which was not mentioned here), provides a wider range of tone, I presume.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but they each sound great enough that I would go with whichever one was the better bargain. 🤷🏻♂️
WoW you nailed it with the scorpions tone!
Phil, you were kind enough to spend a couple minutes with me at NAMM last week. Want to let the viewers know you are an even nicer guy in person (and you’re great on these videos). Thank you for doing these amp tests miked with no post production. Too many other channels literally create Ted Templeman productions where it gets impossible to compare anything. Your tests are much more valuable for gear heads.
I have a 1982 jcm 800 2204 that I have set up for kt88 and it's so loud it melt ur face off, I got rid of the PCb and handwired the hole thing, it screams, I voiced the low input to be more fenderish, but kept the hi channel original, the new one sound pretty close to it, mine has more grunge and grit, cuase 30 more watts, but 20 watts is loud enuff, I built a 5e3 clone with 14 watts it's loud enuff.
A compelling comparison.. thank you, great playing and well dialed in amps.. some other reviewers could take notes!.. for me, i liked the low mids of the SJ
We have 2 50 watt JCM 800’s in our studio, and also a JCM 900 MKiii, and a Mini Jubilee
The JCM 800 20 watt can’t even get near the tone of those amps.
We use a Waza Tube Expander and a UA Ox and they sound enormous
on stage and in recording without blasting.
We found the 20 watt 800 to be disappointing to say the least.
The Jubilee 20 sounds enormous and there is a bit of a trial and
error to dial this monster in...but well worth it.
We don’t recommend the 800 20 watt but a big thumbs up
for the Jubilee 20
I totally concur!. This is a very poor demo of the Jubilee.
Marshall and Gibson came back strong this year. Both doing what they do best.
I think the Jubilee is better for those wanting high gain with nothing but amp and guitar, but for pedals I like the JCM 800 clean (low input) better. For juicy 60's and 70's rock tones, the JCM with gain below 7 I think has a warmer character and more classic feel. The Jub is def the way to go for hot-rodded, searing lead tones, or bringing the metal sans-pedals.
Great demo Phil, I do prefer the 800, I think the Jubilee is just a souped up 800 with more highs and a bit more gain, a bit too fizzy for me. I would love to see you compare the 800 to the slp 20 studio if you get one.
Honestly i think my dsl20 sounds better clean or distorted. And I think you and segeborn for reviewing, which is why I got it.
*Awesome video Phillip*
I chose the special edition jubilee. I did not see this video first. I absolutely love it so far. Everytime I turn it on I think " thats the sound in my head". Now I want them all, the plexi will definitely be my next one.
Bet these two beauties set up in a rig together sound absolutely nuts! 🤤
Thank you. Its really great to hear an amp without makeup.