Totally agree, I have also noticed it makes it unfair for anyone who is new to this. The lights will also show a fair representation of cars performance as well.
It doesn't work properly that is why also the surface doesnt help it either That is the problem when you tune a car so much reliability and consistency is out if the window
The corvette was misfiring it's brains out on every run. Hats off to the owner for keeping it in the races. Some great drag races in 2023, looking forward to what you have planned in 2024.
Yianni was literally on the previous video before this one. Besides that, they can't "fire" him because he doesn't work for carwow, he has his own thing and just comes on as a guest.
I'm not a big fan of how Tesla's look but that black Plaid with those wheels and the carbon fiber front chin and the spoiler on the trunk makes that car look so much better! I didn't realize they could look that good.
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes. Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3 Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i Channel- sinistercoytoe5.0 zr1 vs plaid Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i and zr1. Carwow races with tuned cars never add up. Those BMWs have only 800hp at most and beat the plaid. It makes 0 sense. Carwow showed a 1000hp turbo s lose to a plaid and it only posted a 0.1 second faster quarter mile 😂😂 DragTimes posted a vid of a 1000hp turbo s and it beat a plaid easily.
Ive been saying this for a while where the intros have gotten way too long. Some of the other recent videos have 7-9mins of intro before the first race even begins
Seemed like it was getting the power down on the launches decently enough…you could hear it missing from the exhaust and was probably cutting timing mid run and not making much more than 600hp peak. Oh wellllllll
@@M-TRONI’ve never seen ANY “tuned” car on this channel run worth anything! I don’t know how they “tune” wherever they get these cars from but they SUCK. I’ve seen my friends cars pushing around 700-800 to the tires that would destroy that vette and give the Plaid a run for it’s money when taking power to weight into the equation. Doesn’t seem to matter if it’s a modified Porsche, GTR, vette or M3 or M4 on this channel… they always break and/ or don’t perform on the level of the claimed power numbers. For reference one of my buddies had a STOCK Challenger Super Stock ( with the demon engine) and consistently ran 10.3s in the quarter. Maybe it’s the CarWow curse 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
@@dabro1569agreed … idk why , I could name HUNDREDS of people in my state “Texas” that would put cars on Tesla and that c8 lol , hell I know Full size TRUCKS , that would gap it .
@@dabro1569 I agree. It's the reliability the big difference between small/big block+transmission+differential VS a rotor and a stator. A top fuel dragster needs a total tear down and inspection after a single run down the dragstrip.
@@M-TRON I’m from a long line of car dudes who hang around other car dudes and when we build OUR STUFF, IT DOESN’T BREAK. I’ve seen all kinds of builds whether it’s a big block LS, 4 rotor RX-7s, supercharged Mustangs and insane kit builds and NONE of them break down like these cars do. I had a heavily modified LS2 GTO that I used to daily drive (until the bus hit me) that had over 215k miles on it and was still pulling like a freight train. Whoever these guys are can’t build a pillow fort 👍🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
It depends a lot of who is doing it. The ones falling apart are not used enough time and money in it to get it to the point. But you could take a 1000hp car which is delivered with it and it will not have the slightest problem
To think that an ‘affordable’ car like a stock Tesla Model S Plaid is readily available to the masses with that sort of power and speed. Crazy times we live in!
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes. Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3 Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i Street racing for $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i .
@freshhard2guess303 Yeah, but the example is 1200hp... not so reliable. As for most people who can't build and maintain their own cars, there are some huge differences. My particular point as a mechanical person is when the replacement / repair time comes. On EVs, the replacement of the major components (battery, motor) is very easy to accomplish, and no parts have had 100s of thousands of miles with enormous temperature swings on the components. On an 800hp gas motor, that will not be the case, and replacing or rebuilding is only the last step in constant maintenance that must happen along the way. When it is time, however, everything is wrecked, wires are brittle hoses are weak, parts are bolted on everywhere, and some of those bolts aren't coming out. As for 'time charging' it is really a joke in the end. I spend zero minutes charging %99 of the time since the car just gets plugged in in the driveway. Compared to all the time of 'stopping for gas' it is literally pointless to talk about any time spent making a pit stop on a long trip and plugging the car in.
People have ran tens of thousands of miles on triple the corvettes power, i know guys who daily 1500hp mustangs. If you have to rebuild a motor after 500 miles that’s on you.
@@aaronb7990a gas motor can be serviced at any shop. Not all shops service or have the permission to work on some evs. Go on a 3k mile trip and see how convenient your charging grid accommodates you.
@@vasil7410 when the Tesla Roadster gonna beat the Rimac, I'm sure they'll say: 'Yeah, but the space shuttle makes the Roadster look like a Yugo' The irony will be, all spaceships& rockets are SpaceX nowadays 🤣
LMAO... They explicitly explained that this build and tune are very much so in the beta phase and that there are Hella kinks to be worked out. Soooo.... y'all think maybe that'd factor into this 1200 HP 'Vette being "slow?" I mean, for one, it's not slow and two, on what metric are you even basing that? The fact that the AWD Tesla Plaid is smoking a 2WD 1000 plus HP C8 Corvette?! That's a pretty sh*tty factor from which to base that...
@@Rocinante_1980the plaid is rapid full stop. You do know that the 100-200kph times are in the 3-4 seconds, right? Gone are the days of EV’s only party trick being the initial 60ft launch. Get yourself out in a Plaid and tell me otherwise. It takes something seriously special to stay with a Plaid up to 200mph!
Notice how Matt is so low energy and the plaid isn't bringing him any enjoyment compared to other cars he's in 😂😂 but yet this sounds amazing? Did u not hear what It sounds like inside? Dull and boring. This is the only case where the tesla sounded cool from the outside and it was heavily modified. A normal plaid sounds nothing like this. The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes. ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i Street racing for $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i .
Notice how Matt doesn't even sound like he's enjoying himself. Compared to him being in a real high end luxury sports cars. 😂😂 nothing feels special about being in a plaid it's boring. The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes. ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i Street racing for $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i .
@@Futuristiccarchannel he said the sound of the tesla is "brilliant" but u don't get that sound unless it's heavily modified like this one. It's funny how u guys never cared about sound and always downplayed it.. now u see a video and it sounds good and ur bragging about it 😂 😂 do u not see how weird that is? Plus Matt wasn't enjoying himself at all that's a fact. Theres a reason he bought a porsche gt3rs and not a tesla. Tesla are plain jane and don't feel like an occasion when driving one. Just cruising around in a gt3rs is special u don't even gotta go fast. Check out those 2 races I sent u 😂 everytime I plaid races for $ it loses
The Plaid looks fantastic and all the work done on the Vette is impressive once the bugs are worked out I probably do that setup with the E-Ray Vette giving it the AWD advantage
It's a fake sound effect emitted from speakers... all electric cars have this as it's legally required to have speakers that alert pedestrians to your presence because the motors themselves make very little noise.
This modified Plaid is not for straight line speed as you can see huge front splitter and spoiler which only add more drag, so i believe it is designed to do well at the track and high speed cornering ability.
@@borinvlogs Then explain the parachute. Who needs a parachute, front air dam to reduce lift and a beefer spoiler for enhanced downforce for a non straight line speed car🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I bet a tuned turbo s would beat it pretty handily. Lol this is the worst video ever though to tout tuned cars. A tuned M car with AWD might also give it a run
its set up for drag class rules, requiring a parachute to make multiple passes at or above 150mph in the quarter, and or below 10 seconds. iirc so its essentially a stock plaid, but one that wont get kicked out after the first run at the drag strip. Some strips wont let plaids run at all without a chute, they have notoriously poor brakes even at the first application, because the car uses painfully poor brake components as its only source of traction control. did you know the plaid doesn't even have DOT3 brake fluid? The brake pads are super low temp as well lol...its like they are purposely trying to kill their owners.
What do you think happens when you don’t have a fully prepped track surface to aid those shatboxes 😂 it’s always some excuse with these cars race gas, heat soak, goofy tires, and power that can only be put down in a controlled setting. 🤡 🤡
@tjtvi I'm a mechanic and work on both ICE and EV. I've replaced some horrendously expensive components on the EV stuff. Like, you could buy a decent second hand car for the price of the component, well into 5 figures cost wise. They can, and do go wrong, and when they do, it's either cripplingly expensive or a fire that burns for 5 days.
The locked TCMs on the C8s is definitely a huge disadvantage with getting the big HP C8s to power forward smoothly. Can't wait for that to be unlocked. It wasn't too long ago that unlocking the ECM came available. Hopefully it won't be much longer for the TCM to be done.
I’m amazed the Corvette stayed together misfiring like that. Should report back with how many ringlands were busted lol. Also sounded like the spark plugs were blowing out under boost or a coil / plug wire problem as well.
There should be a way to make the battery produce more power because supposedly the motors arent the limitation, but the batteries anility to supply enough energy since its the same battery as the LR. You can increase power while reducing capacity by changing up the series parallel configuration. you could upgrade the firmware, increase the wire guage for more power input, and upgrade the cooling for the battery. This would lead to hopefully maxing out the plaid's motor potential at the cost of a little bit of weight for heavier wiring, and reduced range.
@@jordikorthals003 What do you think electric cars are powered by? Air? There’s a motor that spins at high rpms, which you can hear, and it sounds cool
That Tesla Plad is a stupidly brilliant pieces of automobile. It makes every one else look incompetent when it comes to going fast. I love the 911 TurboS but this Tesla madness is just lovable.
You'll Never Beat An Electric Vehicle With A Combustion Engine Vehicle! Period! Electric Power Is Instant, Gas Combustion Takes Time To Ignite And Generate Its Power! The Ignition Process Is Way Too Slow To Compete Per CC For The Price! 👊👊👊
It’s literally got to that on some channels lol. Even on Carwow, it took a £4 million full carbon fibre Bugatti Chiron Supersport to beat it, and even then, it was close. For the money, you simply can’t buy a better all-rounder than the Plaid imo.
It always amazes me, that a channel that focuses so much on drag races, always forgoes that fundamental part of drag racing. Also, the vette looked like it had about 30psi in the tires. A good burnout, and proper tire pressure would help the vette.
@@ghuldorgrey Im sure you were nodding when your friend spoon fed that to you, but plaid spanks way longer than 4x, its well documented on multiple channel so
I belive the last video of 2023 would be a drag race between: 1998 TVR SPEED 12 vs Renault Sport SiFo Spider Super GT300 vs Vector M12 vs HONDA CBR1000RR SP-2.
carefully picked opposition on the wrong surface against the Tesla cars on Carwow recently unless you havent noticed. The big silly offroad Tesla thing they were drag racing everything against it in a dirty, sandy lane when the Tesla truck monstrosity was on a gleaming bit of freshly layed tarmac. Go have a look
@@bigduphusaj162 Yeah, that was ridiculously unfair (the dirt truck vs asphalt). This one though, humiliated on its own. My '02 high school Jetta would easily beat this vette while looking more refined as well.
Plain and simple, the Tesla smoked the Vette. Long after the launch, the Tesla was pulling away from it. It out braked it too. Maybe a modified E-Ray would fare better.
@@HotRodM4 It's weird but a long time ago I wasn't actually that much for Sam but now he's by far my absolute favourite on Carwow! Comes over as a really nice guy and sharp as a tack!
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes. Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3 Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i Channel- sinistercoytoe5.0 zr1 vs plaid Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i and zr1. Carwow races with tuned cars never add up. Those BMWs have only 800hp at most and beat the plaid. It makes 0 sense. Carwow showed a 1000hp turbo s lose to a plaid and it only posted a 0.1 second faster quarter mile 😂😂 DragTimes posted a vid of a 1000hp turbo s and it beat a plaid easily.
I noticed that too matt has never sounded this bored in a car before. Just goes to show why no rappers no atheletes and no one that has alot of supercars drive a tesla. They don't feel special. Nothing about the interior or exterior excites u. The speed is cool but only ur body feels it. When ur in a real sports car all ur sense feel it. Way more of an experience and it feels like a special occasion even if u drive it everyday. Why do u think Matt bought a gt3rs. Teslas are just so plain jane. People that can afford better always get better.
@@G82Watts Seriously give it up, I have read through quite a bit of the the comments section and your name keeps coming up, your hatred of Teslas is pathological.
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes. Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3 Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i Channel- sinistercoytoe5.0 zr1 vs plaid Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i and zr1. Carwow races with tuned cars never add up. Those BMWs have only 800hp at most and beat the plaid. It makes 0 sense. Carwow showed a 1000hp turbo s lose to a plaid and it only posted a 0.1 second faster quarter mile 😂😂 DragTimes posted a vid of a 1000hp turbo s and it beat a plaid easily. Look how bored Matt is even though he is driving a fast car. Just goes to prove that tesla isn't as fun as real sports cars. That's why he bought a gt3rs. Only ur body feels the speed in a tesla real luxury sports cars fill all ur senses and feel more special to see and be in. Teslas are plain jane and dull. One trick pony
@@G82Wattsplaid still a good everyday car. Also I feel it’s become the new standard of speed and what to beat to be considered fast. They basically made the hellcat platform obsolete in racing. Btw those turbo S 911s are just nutty. I believe that was the first car to beat the 720s on dragtimes channel.
@@GG-jn9fx idk man I find the interior to be complete ass in teslas. Very full and plain jane. Also the exterior looks like basic traffic. Nothing about the car looks special or feels special to be in . Like real high end luxury sports cars.. calling the hellcat platform obsolete is delusional no rappers are rapping about a tesla or driving one. They love hellcats and the experience they bring
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Petition to have lights as a countdown to prevent jump starts for future races 🙋♂️
You pay for them and bring them every time 👌💀
If you get popular can you please change your comment to "we need a Hyundai Getz"
Ikr? The hands signs leave the newer guests confused resulting in jumping or late reaction times
Agreed 👍
Totally agree, I have also noticed it makes it unfair for anyone who is new to this. The lights will also show a fair representation of cars performance as well.
An 11 second 1200 HP Corvette? I'm confused 🤷
Exactly, a standard 650bhp porsche 911 turbo s will do 10.1 1/4 mile. Does not look 1200 hp
It doesn't work properly that is why also the surface doesnt help it either
That is the problem when you tune a car so much reliability and consistency is out if the window
Z06 make 1/4 Mile in 10.5 s haha with only 670 hp@@leesmith6750
@@leesmith6750you mean AWD vs RWD with slicks? Yeah, 11seconds seem accurate
dude, don't be confused it's an American v8 what could you expect😂
Corvette sound: 4:04
Race start 1: 5:26
Race start 2: 6:39
Race start 3: 7:54
Race start 4: 10:42
Race start 5: 12:30
Conclusion: 13:18
Rolling race: 13:32
Brake test: 14:59
If you get popular can you please change your comment to "we need a Hyundai Getz"
no@@matthewnorman9803
a LOT of Fluff in this one eh mate
Thanks king
Typical chevrolet
Stock c8 runs 11.2 in the quarter and this 1200hp runs 11.0. Let us know who the tuner is so we don't take our cars there lmao
Homie was slipping big time but I think that even with true 1200HP it’s a great roll race
vette was on wastegate and misfireing badly lol. you can hear that it sounds like its on 6 cylinders. vette was MAYBE making 600 whp lol
EXACTLY
The Vett is broken
$80,000 for 0.2 seconds and a destroyed engine.
😂😂😂😂 you have to consider the driver also may be the problem
Looks like a stock c8 would do a better time than that on this surface man 🤣
The c8 was miss firing the whole race wym
Exactly
@@GWJ891 yeah, that thing was garbage.....
I agree plus it won't be miss firing and broken.
That Corvette is like the 1000hp 992 Turbo s (if you saw the video): on unprepped surface, it can't put all of the power down 😂
The corvette was misfiring it's brains out on every run. Hats off to the owner for keeping it in the races.
Some great drag races in 2023, looking forward to what you have planned in 2024.
Yep should have far quicker, fair play for them still trying
De la grosse merde à cette puissance
De la grosse merde à cette puissance
Actually, that engine was probably almost done and that's why they let him thrash it and also why he said they were going to change it soon.
wouldn't have mattered either way lol
Mat and Sam's chemistry is sibling rivalry-ish. I love it
So happy he fired Yanni !!!
what?@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt
@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt I think he is injured not fired but I could be wrong
Yianni was literally on the previous video before this one. Besides that, they can't "fire" him because he doesn't work for carwow, he has his own thing and just comes on as a guest.
@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt You don’t know wtf you brag about
So if you over double the hp on the c8, you get 0.2sec faster in the quarter over stock?
If the tires don't have enough traction, the extra power isn't useful but yeah, I expected it to be faster.
Tesla killed the corvete it. Get over it
This C8 will likely run high, hell, maybe low 8’s on a prepped track.
This junk road is the teslas arena.
@@88wolffy I think the top speed on the Tesla is like 156 too isnt it? Reel it in and leave it at 190...
@@88wolffy You mean more like a real life like scenario? That's what this test pretty much tries to replicate, not a drag strip etc.
So I guess what we have learned is don't let Victor touch your Corvette 😂
Victor has no fucking idea what he’s doing clearly. I’ve got a 3 litre that runs 9s lol.
Preach it! Someone has ruined that corvette.
Or just dont buy chev junk lol
@@uraniumcranium2613how Is it junk
@@wizzylizzy69 What 3 liter?
I'm not a big fan of how Tesla's look but that black Plaid with those wheels and the carbon fiber front chin and the spoiler on the trunk makes that car look so much better! I didn't realize they could look that good.
The Black Plaid looks like a Black Undercover Cruiser from NFS CARBON.😂
Of course because they blow these loud obnoxious cars out every time.
@@bxi1547 On youtube they do😂 on a UK B-road they get whooped by a 15yr old RX8 or S2000 hahaha. Get back on Forza kid
Plaid is shaped sexy af . Aerodynamic for a sedan
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3
Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i
Channel- sinistercoytoe5.0 zr1 vs plaid
Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i and zr1.
Carwow races with tuned cars never add up. Those BMWs have only 800hp at most and beat the plaid. It makes 0 sense. Carwow showed a 1000hp turbo s lose to a plaid and it only posted a 0.1 second faster quarter mile 😂😂 DragTimes posted a vid of a 1000hp turbo s and it beat a plaid easily.
Matt looks completely unfazed by speed now, he's driven to many fast cars ahahah
Even though he really enjoyed driving the F40 even without pushing it all, Teslas are just boring
@@Sebas_M_KinomanTesla in my opinion are as boring as when driving these Ford cars from FORD RACING 3 NINTENDO DS.😂
True. By the way, it's spelled as "too."
@@Sebas_M_KinomanNot true.
@@purwantiallan5089 lol Which is probably all that you should be driving.
The way Matt said head condom made me laugh🤣
Race starts at @5:28
Ive been saying this for a while where the intros have gotten way too long. Some of the other recent videos have 7-9mins of intro before the first race even begins
And is over @5:30
@@FaizMehdi13the videos need to be a certain length for TH-cam’s algorithm.
THNX!!! They're very loooong winded....
@@matthewp9015 No, they don't.
I appreciate that when Matt is speaking, at least one of his eyes is squarely looking into the camera while the other is reading the script.
True but wierd
Hahahaha cant ignore it 🤣 👍
Once you see it, you miss the rest of the content
Hahahah😂
Bro so true 😂
That Vette doesn't even have close to 1200hp 😄
Has 1200HP but only rear drive. AWD would be needed to get the power on the street
Seemed like it was getting the power down on the launches decently enough…you could hear it missing from the exhaust and was probably cutting timing mid run and not making much more than 600hp peak. Oh wellllllll
@@xsureface1300hp GTR lost aswell , 1700Hp V10 R8 won
@@xsureface desillusional
@@xsurefaceno it doesn’t go look at other 1,200 hp rwd cars they accelerate so much faster than that car did
11 seconds for a 1200hp C8. The shame.
It would probably run high 8’s on a prepped surface, this isn’t the race for the C8.
Not on a drag strip
Stay mad tesla better
Data says low 9's
@@JohnSmith-zp6veTesla's. Is the correct way to spell it guy.
Those heavy tuned cars always break down during the race 😂
Yup, seen a lot on the Tesla Plaid Channel. Racing from a dig kills street cars big time, while the PLAID rocket does thousands of ETs no problem
@@M-TRONI’ve never seen ANY “tuned” car on this channel run worth anything! I don’t know how they “tune” wherever they get these cars from but they SUCK. I’ve seen my friends cars pushing around 700-800 to the tires that would destroy that vette and give the Plaid a run for it’s money when taking power to weight into the equation. Doesn’t seem to matter if it’s a modified Porsche, GTR, vette or M3 or M4 on this channel… they always break and/ or don’t perform on the level of the claimed power numbers. For reference one of my buddies had a STOCK Challenger Super Stock ( with the demon engine) and consistently ran 10.3s in the quarter. Maybe it’s the CarWow curse 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
@@dabro1569agreed … idk why , I could name HUNDREDS of people in my state “Texas” that would put cars on Tesla and that c8 lol , hell I know Full size TRUCKS , that would gap it .
@@dabro1569 I agree. It's the reliability the big difference between small/big block+transmission+differential VS a rotor and a stator. A top fuel dragster needs a total tear down and inspection after a single run down the dragstrip.
@@M-TRON I’m from a long line of car dudes who hang around other car dudes and when we build OUR STUFF, IT DOESN’T BREAK. I’ve seen all kinds of builds whether it’s a big block LS, 4 rotor RX-7s, supercharged Mustangs and insane kit builds and NONE of them break down like these cars do. I had a heavily modified LS2 GTO that I used to daily drive (until the bus hit me) that had over 215k miles on it and was still pulling like a freight train. Whoever these guys are can’t build a pillow fort 👍🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
I just love how all tuning cars fall apart when they are stress tested 😂😂
literally.. They're a joke
That’s not true at all .
@@gabrielpichardo1492 Correct. If it's tuned by a reputable company then they can last a very very long time.
The words all and every are thrown around to loosely nowadays.
It depends a lot of who is doing it. The ones falling apart are not used enough time and money in it to get it to the point. But you could take a 1000hp car which is delivered with it and it will not have the slightest problem
That spaceship-like sound caught on rear camera of Plaid is just something else!!
You can get the same sound on your cell phone while driving a Prius.
@lifted_above and it still sounded better than "that particular" corvette.
Cue the Jetsons mobile sound...
The Corvette, along with its impressive sound, also sounds great.
To think that an ‘affordable’ car like a stock Tesla Model S Plaid is readily available to the masses with that sort of power and speed. Crazy times we live in!
It is available to the masses have you not seen the news lately
@@NatepgdgPlgsI saw one going for $45k usd on autotrader last week.
@@NatepgdgPlgsyou’re special lol
@@NatepgdgPlgsare u real
Don’t forget that he is mat Watson and we are watching carwow
The Plaid just wrecks almost everything. Insane launch power.
Not sure how feel about Sam.
I honestly expected the chevy to do way better, less weight and more hp
The battery will be dead after all this. The corvett can still drive home.
@@doubleL_Sdelusional!
@@doubleL_S if you haven't noticed, it started leaking oil so I don't think so lmao
I think that Corvette left 300 hp at home....
Atleast
My thoughts exactly 😂
Tesla is faster than you think
And you being modest
I think it is safe to say that the corvette was tested on a Dynojet
Make all the excuses you want, the plaid whooped that vette.
Bro it's cuz the dude who tuned the car was dogshit
And the Lucid DESTROYS THE PLAID!
@@robertblack1965 🤣🤣🤣 and how many has been sold?
Am I going crazy or did that Tesla actually make some interesting noise 😂😂
EV’s have high revving motors. Like 11,000 RPM. If they weren’t muffled so much they’d sound famtastic
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3
Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i
Street racing for $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i .
@@G82Watts 🤣
You're going crazy bro
@@albertdidde4395actually 20k rpm, but agree
I would rather stand around for 15min at a charger than replace my motor every 500 miles... 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂me too, it still makes a noise like a jet this tesla is cool
My motor makes 800hp. Ran it 10k so far. plan on running it for another 50k. Depends on how well you build the motor.
@freshhard2guess303 Yeah, but the example is 1200hp... not so reliable.
As for most people who can't build and maintain their own cars, there are some huge differences.
My particular point as a mechanical person is when the replacement / repair time comes. On EVs, the replacement of the major components (battery, motor) is very easy to accomplish, and no parts have had 100s of thousands of miles with enormous temperature swings on the components.
On an 800hp gas motor, that will not be the case, and replacing or rebuilding is only the last step in constant maintenance that must happen along the way. When it is time, however, everything is wrecked, wires are brittle hoses are weak, parts are bolted on everywhere, and some of those bolts aren't coming out.
As for 'time charging' it is really a joke in the end.
I spend zero minutes charging %99 of the time since the car just gets plugged in in the driveway. Compared to all the time of 'stopping for gas' it is literally pointless to talk about any time spent making a pit stop on a long trip and plugging the car in.
People have ran tens of thousands of miles on triple the corvettes power, i know guys who daily 1500hp mustangs. If you have to rebuild a motor after 500 miles that’s on you.
@@aaronb7990a gas motor can be serviced at any shop. Not all shops service or have the permission to work on some evs. Go on a 3k mile trip and see how convenient your charging grid accommodates you.
The traction control on Tesla is amazing
Yeah it's called 4 wheel drive
@@Everything_Evan no. 4 wheel drive is not traction control.
@@chriswest2290 put it in 2 wheel drive see what happens
@@Everything_Evan what are you even talking about. The Tesla won the rolling race too.
@Everything_Evan It's an EV. They all can handle the power they put out from a standstill. AWD, RWD or FWD. They all just go.
Model S plaid in front of supercars: you fast? Oh you are? Ok cool. BUT NOT ANYMORE HAHAHA
The Plaid makes other cars appear as if they are standing still.
😂sometimes not always
Except for the Rimac Nevera, then it's the exact opposite. It makes the Tesla Plaid look like a Yugo! 🤣😉
😂😂😂 that's a disrespect to Rimac
@@MacXpert74Too bad it costs 20-30 times more and practically nobody is even allowed to buy one anyway.
@@vasil7410 when the Tesla Roadster gonna beat the Rimac, I'm sure they'll say: 'Yeah, but the space shuttle makes the Roadster look like a Yugo'
The irony will be, all spaceships& rockets are SpaceX nowadays 🤣
Slowest 1200hp car ive ever seen
Totally agree. It doesn’t even look as quick as a standard.
Yea..Someone spent alot of money for nothing
@derrickhowell6803 correct I don't think it's got 1200hp to be honest
These corvettes do NOT like being tuned. It’s all ECU related and then the transmission has further issue putting the power down.
LMAO... They explicitly explained that this build and tune are very much so in the beta phase and that there are Hella kinks to be worked out. Soooo.... y'all think maybe that'd factor into this 1200 HP 'Vette being "slow?" I mean, for one, it's not slow and two, on what metric are you even basing that? The fact that the AWD Tesla Plaid is smoking a 2WD 1000 plus HP C8 Corvette?! That's a pretty sh*tty factor from which to base that...
Im not a Tesla fan but I love that acceleration 🙂
It’s got nothing to do with Tesla. That’s just electric cars in general. Fast off the line.
@@Rocinante_1980 exactly
@@Rocinante_1980interesting….. last I checked, a Nissan Leaf is electric! Fast ….. NOT
you clearly haven't driven a plaid...@@Rocinante_1980
@@Rocinante_1980the plaid is rapid full stop. You do know that the 100-200kph times are in the 3-4 seconds, right? Gone are the days of EV’s only party trick being the initial 60ft launch. Get yourself out in a Plaid and tell me otherwise. It takes something seriously special to stay with a Plaid up to 200mph!
Drone-cam that follows the cars up the track would be great... :-)
1200hp and runs 11’s 😂
Bro definitely you could see and hear it that it wasnt working properly
You don't know shit about racing
There are FWD Civics with half the hp and still run faster times 😂 me wondering where Emelia is with Phoenix
A stock porsche 911 Turbo beat the shit out of that Corvette haha
@@enzodelsanto a turbo s run a 10.1 so yeah it would imagine if it had like 200 more hp it would beat the plaid too
Who said electric cars don't make noise, this one sounds awesome as it goes over the finish line.
Sounds like the original roadster
It is like a spaceship.
Jet
Sounds like a small jet
Notice how Matt is so low energy and the plaid isn't bringing him any enjoyment compared to other cars he's in 😂😂 but yet this sounds amazing? Did u not hear what It sounds like inside? Dull and boring.
This is the only case where the tesla sounded cool from the outside and it was heavily modified. A normal plaid sounds nothing like this.
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3
1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i
Street racing for $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i .
I think the sound of tesla is brilliant 😮
Notice how Matt doesn't even sound like he's enjoying himself. Compared to him being in a real high end luxury sports cars. 😂😂 nothing feels special about being in a plaid it's boring.
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3
1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i
Street racing for $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i .
@@Futuristiccarchannel he said the sound of the tesla is "brilliant" but u don't get that sound unless it's heavily modified like this one. It's funny how u guys never cared about sound and always downplayed it.. now u see a video and it sounds good and ur bragging about it 😂 😂 do u not see how weird that is? Plus Matt wasn't enjoying himself at all that's a fact. Theres a reason he bought a porsche gt3rs and not a tesla. Tesla are plain jane and don't feel like an occasion when driving one. Just cruising around in a gt3rs is special u don't even gotta go fast.
Check out those 2 races I sent u 😂 everytime I plaid races for $ it loses
Jet
@@G82Watts BS, no way that bmw can beat the plaid not even close you are delusional too !!!
This Tesla SOUND it's what a electric car need... Bisimoto sell this!
The Plaid looks fantastic and all the work done on the Vette is impressive once the bugs are worked out I probably do that setup with the E-Ray Vette giving it the AWD advantage
AWD helps put the power down
Yes, a stock c8 would have done better I think.
true, a stock c8 does a quarter mile in 11s
Yup and those radials or slicks help the most on a prepped surface.
I think the car would’ve done better with a driver mod also
@@tucanoguy4719how. I’d love to hear this.
Still lose badly
The sound that plaid makes while under full acceleration is bonkers!
Then you would love my vacuum sweeper.
Sounds like a freaking space ship hitting warp speed
I know it literally sounds like the sound effect they use in roadrunner cartoons when RR dusts the coyote
@@MrWildwilly48 Yep. I so miss the sounds and fumes of running through the gears of my old gasoline powered vacuum cleaner.
It's a fake sound effect emitted from speakers... all electric cars have this as it's legally required to have speakers that alert pedestrians to your presence because the motors themselves make very little noise.
As long a you park your EV at least 15 meters from anything you do not want to catch fire, you should be ok.
we need to see how this modified Tesla gonna do against the normal tesla plaid
No difference. Carwow has already run a stock Plaid and it ran the same time, 9.6s. Anywhere else the Plaid runs 9.2s easily.
This modified Plaid is not for straight line speed as you can see huge front splitter and spoiler which only add more drag, so i believe it is designed to do well at the track and high speed cornering ability.
@@borinvlogs Then explain the parachute. Who needs a parachute, front air dam to reduce lift and a beefer spoiler for enhanced downforce for a non straight line speed car🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How about a Corvette thats actually running on all 8 cylinders as well?
@@ChosenMJ
One foot roll out at work.
That Tesla is sooo cool! Would love to see a time around the Ring!
Nothings gonna beat a Plaid on a unprepared track.
McMurtry Speirling and Rimac Nevera say hi
@@eretareodjugo The price tag is not quite the same though
Imagine you need a 2-3 million dollar Rimac to win against a Plaid in a track race 😂
$250K Lucid Air Sapphire beats it on unprepped surface
I bet a tuned turbo s would beat it pretty handily. Lol this is the worst video ever though to tout tuned cars. A tuned M car with AWD might also give it a run
Send the Vette back where it came from or better yet, to a different shoppe who know what they're doing. The name Hennessy comes to mind.
When I heard Sam describe the size of his brakes, my first thought was, why was Matt's Tesla the only one equipped with a drag parachute 😲
Very interesting actually.
My exact thought process
The drag parachute is not specifically mounted for this quarter mile race.
its set up for drag class rules, requiring a parachute to make multiple passes at or above 150mph in the quarter, and or below 10 seconds. iirc so its essentially a stock plaid, but one that wont get kicked out after the first run at the drag strip. Some strips wont let plaids run at all without a chute, they have notoriously poor brakes even at the first application, because the car uses painfully poor brake components as its only source of traction control. did you know the plaid doesn't even have DOT3 brake fluid? The brake pads are super low temp as well lol...its like they are purposely trying to kill their owners.
11.0 quarter mile seems a little slow for a 1200hp vette
The worst cars out. So corny. Like cornier than the Tesla
What surprised me more is the fact that a Tesla actually won a brake test.
Hp is nothing without traction.
What do you think happens when you don’t have a fully prepped track surface to aid those shatboxes 😂 it’s always some excuse with these cars race gas, heat soak, goofy tires, and power that can only be put down in a controlled setting. 🤡 🤡
By now we already know in advance what's gonna happen everytime a Tesla plaid is involved in a video
It would've lost if the c8 didn't misfire a hundred times in a race. It wasn't tuned very good unfortunately
@@sinanapenka9748that it lost because of “misfiring” is indicative of the fact that ICE cars are simply inferior to EVs. Just accept it dude.
@@sinanapenka9748 If this, if that. Always an excuse.
@tjtvi I'm a mechanic and work on both ICE and EV. I've replaced some horrendously expensive components on the EV stuff. Like, you could buy a decent second hand car for the price of the component, well into 5 figures cost wise. They can, and do go wrong, and when they do, it's either cripplingly expensive or a fire that burns for 5 days.
Until it races the lucid airs prestanda version that car is even faster
Remember that vette is mid-engine, so it has a little bit more traction than the front-engine vettes.
Sam: “I win!!” Meanwhile Matt’s 50 meters ahead and pulling for a dominant 1/4 smashing.
Lol...just like the guy in that '3rd place' meme! 🙄
The locked TCMs on the C8s is definitely a huge disadvantage with getting the big HP C8s to power forward smoothly. Can't wait for that to be unlocked. It wasn't too long ago that unlocking the ECM came available. Hopefully it won't be much longer for the TCM to be done.
Uh the C8 is unlocked now my man
Global B unlocked c8s
That same turbo package on an Eray Corvette would make for a very interesting matchup!
There's no way a 1200 hp car was only able to get an 11 sec quarter.. I ran 9.70 sec in a NOS injected 1992 5.0 hatchback mustang
Not a tesla fan but that's a nice looking car👌
I agree. The fitment of the wheels along with the lowered suspension make it look really appealing.
and only one engine in it is a V8 or V10 😊
Goes to show that traction is king when it comes to these types of races.
The vette had good traction, just no power, misfired horribly every race
@@sinanapenka9748 It's RWD on a muddy surface, I'm pretty sure it has some part to play in it's loss.
No way that thing is putting out 1200hp, it’s a giant POS. The stock z06 runs a faster 1/4 mile time.
@@mamba_no_5 its engine is broken, traction doesn't even matter when it doesn't have power to wheel spin
Roll race?
I’m amazed the Corvette stayed together misfiring like that. Should report back with how many ringlands were busted lol. Also sounded like the spark plugs were blowing out under boost or a coil / plug wire problem as well.
So rare indeed to see C8 much like C7, misfired quite frequently like Lotus Renault F1 2014 car.😅
Plug wire?
There should be a way to make the battery produce more power because supposedly the motors arent the limitation, but the batteries anility to supply enough energy since its the same battery as the LR.
You can increase power while reducing capacity by changing up the series parallel configuration. you could upgrade the firmware, increase the wire guage for more power input, and upgrade the cooling for the battery.
This would lead to hopefully maxing out the plaid's motor potential at the cost of a little bit of weight for heavier wiring, and reduced range.
That Tesla's sound during drag race is Wow.
What sound? I only hear wind
@@jordikorthals003Then you need to get your ears checked
@@Bathykolpian dude I don't hear anything special about that Tesla😂. What's there to hear? Fake sound?
@@jordikorthals003 What do you think electric cars are powered by? Air? There’s a motor that spins at high rpms, which you can hear, and it sounds cool
@@Bathykolpian Oh that's what you mean. Okay man, in my opinion it's pretty annoying. Nothing special really.
That Tesla Plad is a stupidly brilliant pieces of automobile. It makes every one else look incompetent when it comes to going fast. I love the 911 TurboS but this Tesla madness is just lovable.
i rather have a car a second slower but higher build quality than tesla's crap
@@sinenomine4540cry more 🤡
@@sinenomine4540Like the car that was pissing oil after a couple runs?
@@det_tf2 Can't come back from that one
It goes fast in a straight line. That's it.
These two are so funny. That Tesla sounds like Darth Vadar's space fighter. Love the look of that Corvette.
1200 HP, but how was torque improved and to what degree?Can it transfer that power, or was it just a lot of money for nothing?
Hahaha Sam yelling "I win" while getting gapped is epic!
Ikr...totally delusional or a sore losel! 🙄
Need to have this corvette back on the channel once its running properly
Probably being recalled as usual by Chevy
And the Porsche, R8, GTR....😂
All the best in the New Year from Poland 🇵🇱🥂🍾🎉
I gitara
You'll Never Beat An Electric Vehicle With A Combustion Engine Vehicle! Period!
Electric Power Is Instant, Gas Combustion Takes Time To Ignite And Generate Its Power! The Ignition Process Is Way Too Slow To Compete Per CC For The Price! 👊👊👊
the dynamic duo. love it when these two make videos
At this point, we’ve got to race the plaid with a top fuel dragster.
That should cut it
It’s literally got to that on some channels lol. Even on Carwow, it took a £4 million full carbon fibre Bugatti Chiron Supersport to beat it, and even then, it was close. For the money, you simply can’t buy a better all-rounder than the Plaid imo.
Bah non si déjà à cette puissance elle est incapable de mener la course
No an 800hp Audi TTRS can easily beat the plaid.....lmao 😂😂 top fuel dragster I hope that statement was meant to be a joke
@@mattsmith7379 absolutely not. At least not without prep
The Lucid Air Sapphire is faster
Slowest 1200hp I've ever seen
It has American horse power😂
@Lucas-wp2ph the Tesla is American too dummy.
Traction
Corvette RWD.
i like these excuses
Sam is the kind of guy you meet at a woke genz rally and you just agree with them because you don't want to lower yourself to their level
That little wheelie the c8 did at 6:44 was so funny 🤣🤣👌🏽
Sooo…. There was wheelie
Also, why is a wheelie fun to you?
😂😂😂😂😂😂 vluuu vluuuum @@IceTTom
Those wheels make the corvette look like a matchbox model 😂
Never appreciated a corvette until this video. Looking beautiful
I guess there's no denying the performance of electric the Vette had a 200 hp advantage and still loss 9.6s sheesh
For real Matt and Carwow! Y’all have to warm the tires up on the Vette! BURNOUT man!!!
It always amazes me, that a channel that focuses so much on drag races, always forgoes that fundamental part of drag racing.
Also, the vette looked like it had about 30psi in the tires. A good burnout, and proper tire pressure would help the vette.
The consistency of Plaid is INSANE. Basically walks competition like its nothing.
If they AWD swapped the C8 or put it on a prepped surface it'd walk the tesla. 2wd and big power causes the "hellcat problem"
If this and if that??? come on with your car what ever you have. Tired of all this silly comments. I am waiting!!! @@JonBergacs
@@JonBergacs been done and plaid still slapped the paint off the c8.
The issue is that it can do that like 4 times and then its battery is gone
@@ghuldorgrey Im sure you were nodding when your friend spoon fed that to you, but plaid spanks way longer than 4x, its well documented on multiple channel so
I wonder what will be the last video of the crazy year. Mat is about to please us I reckon! 😊
Mat pleases me everyday ;)
I belive the last video of 2023 would be a drag race between: 1998 TVR SPEED 12 vs Renault Sport SiFo Spider Super GT300 vs Vector M12 vs HONDA CBR1000RR SP-2.
Don’t know if it’s my competitive side but Matt putting himself in the fastest car every time grinds my gears. (Pardon the pun)
Well Sam is a professional driver so he gets the more difficult cars to drive.
I heard a carb tune really helps the plaid with the misfire and torque issues
This wasn't a fair comparison. They obviously just put a new set of muffler bearings in the Tesla.
Stock blinker fluid too.
The plaid body kit looks tough 😮😮😮
So a 1200hp C8 with drag radials runs the same time as a stock C8? Makes sense.
Vette was misfiring it's brain out the whole vid lol
@@stefan_5.7Yeah, it sucks!
carefully picked opposition on the wrong surface against the Tesla cars on Carwow recently unless you havent noticed. The big silly offroad Tesla thing they were drag racing everything against it in a dirty, sandy lane when the Tesla truck monstrosity was on a gleaming bit of freshly layed tarmac. Go have a look
@@bigduphusaj162 Yeah, that was ridiculously unfair (the dirt truck vs asphalt).
This one though, humiliated on its own. My '02 high school Jetta would easily beat this vette while looking more refined as well.
That PLAID is kicking everybody's ass on these tracks.
i love the sound of those tires on the tesla! sound amazing!
Gotta love Sam's enthusiasm 😂
Matt just looks so calm he knows he got this 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Plain and simple, the Tesla smoked the Vette. Long after the launch, the Tesla was pulling away from it. It out braked it too. Maybe a modified E-Ray would fare better.
Sam is such a good sport. And very funny 😃 I was laughing so hard at the Tesla's dominance, though 😂
The gear changes are just killing that Vette 😮
I love sam’s demeanor 😂😂… hilarious guy 😂😊
Sam’s the best
@@HotRodM4
It's weird but a long time ago I wasn't actually that much for Sam but now he's by far my absolute favourite on Carwow! Comes over as a really nice guy and sharp as a tack!
Fool was annoying AF this episode
Absolutely crazy that you guys would continue to race when that Vette was spitting oil all over!!! Stay safe - we want to see these races continue!!!
The Corvette C4 enters the chat.
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3
Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i
Channel- sinistercoytoe5.0 zr1 vs plaid
Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i and zr1.
Carwow races with tuned cars never add up. Those BMWs have only 800hp at most and beat the plaid. It makes 0 sense. Carwow showed a 1000hp turbo s lose to a plaid and it only posted a 0.1 second faster quarter mile 😂😂 DragTimes posted a vid of a 1000hp turbo s and it beat a plaid easily.
Spilled it's guts trying to race the Plaid like all unreliable modded ICE 😂
11.0? That's like a stock RS7... That 1200hp does nothing
I love how Matt keeps on winning the drag race each round and i know he is in a electric Tesla car
You can tell how fun that Tesla is by how not-excited Matt is launching it over and over lol
It takes a lot to excite him nowadays. That man has driven well over a billion dollars worth of supercars lol
I noticed that too matt has never sounded this bored in a car before. Just goes to show why no rappers no atheletes and no one that has alot of supercars drive a tesla. They don't feel special. Nothing about the interior or exterior excites u. The speed is cool but only ur body feels it. When ur in a real sports car all ur sense feel it. Way more of an experience and it feels like a special occasion even if u drive it everyday. Why do u think Matt bought a gt3rs. Teslas are just so plain jane. People that can afford better always get better.
@@G82Watts Seriously give it up, I have read through quite a bit of the the comments section and your name keeps coming up, your hatred of Teslas is pathological.
Another Tesla race. Let's see what the Tesla haters will complain about this time.
My only complaint is I don't have one.
My only complaint is that it didn't burn to the ground. Yet.
Love that Tesla’s stance it looks like a beast and it’s a 9s car you can’t ask for more 👏🔥 #teslaplaid
lasts one UK winter though 😂
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
Channel- ValleyRacing plaid vs bmw g80 m3
Channel- 1stockf30 plaid vs bmw m340i
Channel- sinistercoytoe5.0 zr1 vs plaid
Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i and zr1.
Carwow races with tuned cars never add up. Those BMWs have only 800hp at most and beat the plaid. It makes 0 sense. Carwow showed a 1000hp turbo s lose to a plaid and it only posted a 0.1 second faster quarter mile 😂😂 DragTimes posted a vid of a 1000hp turbo s and it beat a plaid easily.
Look how bored Matt is even though he is driving a fast car. Just goes to prove that tesla isn't as fun as real sports cars. That's why he bought a gt3rs. Only ur body feels the speed in a tesla real luxury sports cars fill all ur senses and feel more special to see and be in. Teslas are plain jane and dull. One trick pony
@@G82Wattsplaid still a good everyday car. Also I feel it’s become the new standard of speed and what to beat to be considered fast. They basically made the hellcat platform obsolete in racing. Btw those turbo S 911s are just nutty. I believe that was the first car to beat the 720s on dragtimes channel.
@@GG-jn9fx idk man I find the interior to be complete ass in teslas. Very full and plain jane. Also the exterior looks like basic traffic. Nothing about the car looks special or feels special to be in . Like real high end luxury sports cars.. calling the hellcat platform obsolete is delusional no rappers are rapping about a tesla or driving one. They love hellcats and the experience they bring
cope hard
Love the Tesla sound. Sounds like a winner 🏆
*Weiner.
That airplane captain PA was hilarious! 🤣🤣
Oil leaks, misfires, gearboxes..... exactly why I converted to electric.
1200 HP to the crank? Speaking of crank it looks like the Vette could us a little bit.
Corvett is putting 12 hp to the wheels
Rwd moment
It seems drag radials on a dusty, uneven side road don't work.
Who knew...
a stock corvette C8 stingray has a faster quarter mile... This thing doesn't have 1200hp
its misfiring and leaking oil
1200 hp corvette quarter mile times should be around 9s
thank you mat for entertaining us for 2023
hope you would do same for 2024