Easily the clearest and most useful video on using alternative batteries, I have seen, by far, -thanks. I have the problem of trying to get an Ingco saw working, using a Parkside battery and I haven't managed it yet. The physical housing are easy to adapt but the electronics are not, -as you have just shown. Any solutions would be welcome, please.
Thanks for the video. I am making a Makita battery reducer for a Parkside tool, I had no idea how to trick the temperature sensor. It works without a problem when using a 10 kohm resistor.
BEWARE of using parkside batteries on other tools, all 20v parkside tools have a bms and cell balancing, BUT it does not test or prevent over discharge, if you over discharge a parkside battery, the protection chip in the battery will lock out the battery forever! it will not send 'handshake' to charger anymore. its a safety feature of the bms IC to protect us from fire, not to increase company profit.. also recharging each cell will not unlock it, I have tried many parkside boards etc as I built a full 50mph+ e-motorcycle from parkside cells.
Nice video. But there seems to be a common misunderstanding with the T-Pin. A thermal shutdown is mostly triggered just by the battery circuit module itself. So far I've not seen any power tool that actively does a direct temperature monitoring of the battery. It is the same with chargers. Especially in case of high power chargers, the thermal control is done by the BMS of the battery. And these BMS can be very very different, depending on manufacturer, brand or year (several revisions). The only usage of the T-Pin done by the attached tool is more like a identification wether to turn and stay on or not. This controlling procedure differs a lot between across the brands. In case of Parkside, they've put much more effort in this. So they want to make sure you only buy and use their battery ecosystem. As example seen when powering the Worx angle grinder. This one doesn't care only about a prober voltage source and a minimum of delivered current so the motor turns on. This last aspect is something i wanna investigate more about myself. What does the tool do if it can draw "infinite" current? For example by a high power supply that can deliver hundred of Amps. The fact that cordless tools themself don't need a braker is due to the limited low voltage and the corresponding limited current that battery packs can provide. I've not seen anyone just putting 2x 12V car batteries in series and limit its voltage down to 21V. Yes, 21V is the upper limit of a 5s Li-Ion pack. The max. voltage of an ideal 18650, 21700 or other formfactor Li-Ion cell is 4,2V at full charge. So 5 * 4,2V = 21V. Of course, in reality this perfect values were not achieved.
I have Parkside tool and made a adapter for Bosch batteries I have put a resistor approximately 10K on that pin but if the battery is left on the tool the battery will drain through that 10k resistor I'm looking for a workaround for this at the moment. But it does look like that 10k resistor is disconnected in the battery for the Parkside tools when the tool is switched off. Also it's interesting you couldn't measure it yourself probably for this reason. Perhaps interesting to open up the Parkside battery and see what circuit is inside that does this🤠
The resistor should be installed between ""-"" and thermal contact, so, there should be no discharge process. Anyway, in case of the battery left on the tool - it shouldn't be discharged.
@@powerbatterychannel4315 Resistor value is approximately 4.7 K one connection has to be to the positive which is 18 V the other is to that T-Pain which is pulled up approximately 5v leaving 13 V across 4.7 K with a drain of around about 2.5ma this will drain the battery in about a month. there also seems to be a requirement that this resistor is put across the pains before the trigger is pulled. This makes it difficult to modify the tool inside electrically to cheat this requirement. It was easier for me to put a second microswitch inside the tool which is engaged first before the main power switch came on. Not very elegant but it works and I have no drain on the battery. The particular tool is a heat gun from Parkside which is quite handy for heat shrink cable. It draws 8 A at 18 V heats up very quickly and is ideal for this job. And now does not drain my Bosch batteries over time.
@@clive4500 As usual, resistor connects "-" with T-pin, so, there should be no drain current. As to to the situation when resistor drains the battery in about a month - it's not normal. Then you should install a micro switch to avoid it and turn the resistor "ON" when using the battery :)
Hey mate, good videos! I have SKIL 3010 drill and parkside battery that i want to combine. It runs for ~5 sec then shut off. On middle pin(drill side) it gives 5v, i tried different resistors to - without success :\ On original battery which i dont have, middle pin terminal marking is "D". I suppose its more complicate like this lux tool, pwm etc. Is there any way to bypass that checkout in drill controller? Maybe to use old working pcb of parkside drill to put in SKIL. Any suggestion?
Easily the clearest and most useful video on using alternative batteries, I have seen, by far, -thanks. I have the problem of trying to get an Ingco saw working, using a Parkside battery and I haven't managed it yet. The physical housing are easy to adapt but the electronics are not, -as you have just shown. Any solutions would be welcome, please.
Excellent Presentation. Thank you
You are welcome
Thanks for the video. I am making a Makita battery reducer for a Parkside tool, I had no idea how to trick the temperature sensor. It works without a problem when using a 10 kohm resistor.
So, thus you have solved the problem; congratulations! ;)
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Sounds like compare the meerkat! Great video!
Bardzo pomocny, nawet nie wiesz jak bardzo :) , pozdrowienia z Polski .
BEWARE of using parkside batteries on other tools, all 20v parkside tools have a bms and cell balancing, BUT it does not test or prevent over discharge, if you over discharge a parkside battery, the protection chip in the battery will lock out the battery forever! it will not send 'handshake' to charger anymore. its a safety feature of the bms IC to protect us from fire, not to increase company profit..
also recharging each cell will not unlock it, I have tried many parkside boards etc as I built a full 50mph+ e-motorcycle from parkside cells.
Nice video. But there seems to be a common misunderstanding with the T-Pin. A thermal shutdown is mostly triggered just by the battery circuit module itself. So far I've not seen any power tool that actively does a direct temperature monitoring of the battery. It is the same with chargers. Especially in case of high power chargers, the thermal control is done by the BMS of the battery.
And these BMS can be very very different, depending on manufacturer, brand or year (several revisions).
The only usage of the T-Pin done by the attached tool is more like a identification wether to turn and stay on or not.
This controlling procedure differs a lot between across the brands. In case of Parkside, they've put much more effort in this. So they want to make sure you only buy and use their battery ecosystem.
As example seen when powering the Worx angle grinder. This one doesn't care only about a prober voltage source and a minimum of delivered current so the motor turns on.
This last aspect is something i wanna investigate more about myself. What does the tool do if it can draw "infinite" current? For example by a high power supply that can deliver hundred of Amps.
The fact that cordless tools themself don't need a braker is due to the limited low voltage and the corresponding limited current that battery packs can provide.
I've not seen anyone just putting 2x 12V car batteries in series and limit its voltage down to 21V. Yes, 21V is the upper limit of a 5s Li-Ion pack. The max. voltage of an ideal 18650, 21700 or other formfactor Li-Ion cell is 4,2V at full charge. So 5 * 4,2V = 21V. Of course, in reality this perfect values were not achieved.
I have Parkside tool and made a adapter for Bosch batteries I have put a resistor approximately 10K on that pin but if the battery is left on the tool the battery will drain through that 10k resistor I'm looking for a workaround for this at the moment. But it does look like that 10k resistor is disconnected in the battery for the Parkside tools when the tool is switched off. Also it's interesting you couldn't measure it yourself probably for this reason. Perhaps interesting to open up the Parkside battery and see what circuit is inside that does this🤠
The resistor should be installed between ""-"" and thermal contact, so, there should be no discharge process. Anyway, in case of the battery left on the tool - it shouldn't be discharged.
@@powerbatterychannel4315 Resistor value is approximately 4.7 K one connection has to be to the positive which is 18 V the other is to that T-Pain which is pulled up approximately 5v leaving 13 V across 4.7 K with a drain of around about 2.5ma this will drain the battery in about a month. there also seems to be a requirement that this resistor is put across the pains before the trigger is pulled. This makes it difficult to modify the tool inside electrically to cheat this requirement. It was easier for me to put a second microswitch inside the tool which is engaged first before the main power switch came on. Not very elegant but it works and I have no drain on the battery. The particular tool is a heat gun from Parkside which is quite handy for heat shrink cable. It draws 8 A at 18 V heats up very quickly and is ideal for this job. And now does not drain my Bosch batteries over time.
@@clive4500 As usual, resistor connects "-" with T-pin, so, there should be no drain current. As to to the situation when resistor drains the battery in about a month - it's not normal. Then you should install a micro switch to avoid it and turn the resistor "ON" when using the battery :)
Hey mate, good videos! I have SKIL 3010 drill and parkside battery that i want to combine. It runs for ~5 sec then shut off. On middle pin(drill side) it gives 5v, i tried different resistors to - without success :\ On original battery which i dont have, middle pin terminal marking is "D". I suppose its more complicate like this lux tool, pwm etc. Is there any way to bypass that checkout in drill controller? Maybe to use old working pcb of parkside drill to put in SKIL. Any suggestion?
It's difficult to say. Probably, old working pcb....
Is this the WORX brushless angle grinder? 🤔
No, please, see its review on my channel.
Awesome channel! How did you make the glue adapters? With a glue gun?
Yes.
Very helpful video.
My parkside battery don’t fit on my Worx tools so I don’t know how you’ve managed it
Maybe it depends on the model.
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Isn't it dangerous? What happens when the battery is too cold or too low? Will it work again?
It depends on temperature.
I have Parkside and Makita tools. please make a video for Makita battery to use in parkside tools. thanks in advance
Unfortunately, I have no Makita battery. You should almost the same i.e.use the same resistance in order to make Parkside tool work.
Sorry, I couldn't hear the tools working with all the talking. You should make the tools noise louder, not annoying enough.
you Genius, I wish to have it your skills, thx😃
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