I've practiced Savate for only 6 months after having practiced other styles during about 5 years and I've noticed a significant improve in my defense. Specially because where I practiced I had to spar every day. In the beginning I came home with my ear ringing every day. At the end of the six months I'd practically never get hit in the face, and I was hitting my opponents a lot more too.
That's because it teaches you to study the footwork when on defense or striking , and when you adjust to the timing of your opponent , it can allow you to manage distance .. And when you manage the distance , you can manage the damage .
a good savate figther is such a pain to fight against. i have immense respect for them, they are like 'ring mastermind'. they create false opportunity and punish you hard. they are such good technician
@@you-cf7df What fight were you watching? The Frenchman knocked the Muay Thai guy on his ass three times, forced two standing 8-counts, landed more punches and kicks, and did more damage. Pretty clear winner, if you ask me.
@Nikolaij Brouiller France (and all the countries) possessed regional martial arts for hundreds of years which contributed to the savate. Savate was not born suddenly (no serious martial art was born suddenly)
I've rewatched it about 50 times, you're right, it's unreal - he MUST have been planning if for about 3 seconds before, but you see NO indication of this, and also: Hergault's guard seemed to be tight enough. I'm rewatching and rewatching, and I just don't SEE the opening. Awesome kick.
For me the 7:00 is SICK AF!! So unreal how much he was sent flying over such a minimal kick. It just shows power is not everything to take someone down
Ive trained muay thai for many years....my coach always used to speak praise about savate how they have speed in their kicks....I see y now...that lead leg front kick from pinnachio was amazing
@@paullytle246 nope, it combines 50 50 muay thau and boxing. Savateur still is faster than the dutch even they have the mobility. Yet those lightning fast kicks are not taught in dutch.
@@PLONG12345 depends on the trainer. Dutch kickboxing base is heavily based on Kyokushin karate not muay Thai. Literally almost every Dutch trainer a form of Karate background.
@@kesenaememere8520 i agree. But even kyokushin kicks are more power based rather than speed. Savate on the other hand i can compare to takewondo speed
@@imnotherenow200 You have like 4-6 inch reach advantage with boots, and you can kick without worrying much about your toes. Reinforced steel toe boots to the gut or teeth is extra damaging
The experience of Pennacchio... Always composed, always in savate style. I like how he keeps the arms close to his face, making it more difficult to estimate his arm range
My seminar with Francois Pennacchio over 10 years ago was the highlight of my combat sport education (along with another seminar with Sylvain Postel). Savate has soooooo much to offer to any standup practionner, and even MMA. Crazy how so many of their concepts have yet to be used in other sports. (granted, we are seeing more and more of these concepts with top level UFC dudes)
i never enjoyed savate techniques.. it looks like a frantic form of fighting.. the way they move.. they have no defense to the knees .. they dont know how to fight in the clinch.. and honestly, im all for footwork and evasion but the way they move makes it look like they are like rabbits.. dont like it..
@@combatfitness7092 Opinion respected. We are the opposites tho because i dont like how Muay Thai fighters fight, they are like idiots beating each other up without evasive movements and footwork. It's ugly as fuck.
I used to practice savate for ten years and know only since few month I practice Muay Thai, and that is true we move a lot more in savate with all those little jump and we also deal better (I think) with the distance.
Yea I've trained Muay Thai for 5 years now and realising the limited movement of traditional Muay Thai I had to drill in being fleet footed like savate practitioner and it's helped a ton with being more explosive it's alot of fun
Yes. Im noticing the same thing. Going from boxing to Muay Thai, the lack of footwork/distance control/ring generalship really bothered me. I see Savate as something that bridges the 2 in the middle. I dig it.
It's interesting to see the differences in principles between Muay Thai, Savate and Kickboxing and in my opinion Savate combines striking and kicking best. In general.
You can see here how Savate uses the left leg (right handed fighter) way more than than Muay Taî, right is more powerfull, but left is way faster, it's like a Jab with the leg.
Savate is way the more fast and dynamic of the fighting arts. The concept is to make the opponent to fail, and to punish him, not using strenght but finding the sensible points. The golden rule is to attack always with at least 3 hits, the first hit is to make your opponent open and then you hit with the tip of the shoes (damnly hard) on liver, stomac, ribs, tendon, always finishing with front arm/leg in order to keep distance after the attack . Check again what Pennachio does... Another thing: in kick boxing and thai is forbidden to use the sole of the foot below the belt. When you receive a kick above the knee with the sole or even worst the heel meanwhile you are going towards your opponent, you knee is over extended, you are stopped, with no guard and balance, completely passive to your opponent. This simple kick is the worst weapon of savate that is never used (or even forbidden) in fighting sports.
Man I've never watched this fight before and I gotta say, Pennacchio is very good here. He lands some very clean strikes and shows an amazing management of distance. It's a pleasure to watch. Made us savateurs proud lol
The way the savate guy throws his low kicks with his guard up is pretty cool. Istead of focusing on generating maximum power by swinging his arm down and exposing his chin. He instead just snaps the low kick out while guarded, still effective and much more safe.
Personellement je trouve plus beau la thailandaise, je fais de la française mais je trouve que le fait de sautiller tout le temps ( on retrouve ça dans d'autres boxes ) est assez pénible pour soi, bref les deux boxes sont tres efficcaces et complètes
@@jean-charles6255 Je crois que c'est dû au fait que la savate, c'est vraiment une technique de pieds et poings tandis que dans le Muay thaï et le kick boxing on utilise plus les jambes. Dans la savate, le pratiquant enchaîne systématiquement un coup de pied par un coup de poing, chez les autres ce n'est pas le cas. De plus dans la savate d'après ce que je vois on leur enseigne la précision chez les autres la répétition.
François c'est un super combattant doublé d'un super mec...j'ai participé avec lui au tournoi "kinf of the ring" au kirghistan lui en - 67 kg moi en - 63 kg. Nous avons mis les gants pour nous préparer à nos combats respectifs...et je peux vous dire que mine de rien ..CA FRAPPE !!!! sur tous les impacts. Il à d'ailleurs gagné le tournoi dans sa catégorie. Un mec humble, vrai guerrier et qui ne lâche rien avec en plus une intelligence du ring. Trop méconnu. Quelques images d'époque que de souvenir des précurseurs du pied/poing...bon visionnage a tous. th-cam.com/video/yC33OKGufus/w-d-xo.html
Je n'ai jamais vu François mais je l'admire depuis que je pratique la savate, par contre en kick je peux t'assurer que tu as été un super coach! La bise des cevennes
Le chassé latéral haut jambe avant reste un des plus beaux coups de pieds que l'on puisse voir en boxe pieds poings, magnifique combat. Pennachio represente les tireurs de savate a l'ancienne, aussi forts qu'elegants, jai vu ce combat des dizaines de fois et je me régale toujours autant.
+Mary Palmens III The missed kicks by MT fighter make it impossible to return the kicking foot back to its original position. This is something they teach in Savate NEVER to do.
actually if the red guy would have focused on fast and accurate attacks instead of concentrating on constantly making ridiculous "pffch", "ssh", tssckh" sounds along with his haymaker-style kicks (as this can be heard even when missing by a mile, it is obvious that he is slithering with his mouth...), he would have been on par with Pennachio :) i simply did not understand the purpose of making sounds like that - Pennachio NEVER did like this with his punches/kicks. What did Hergault think - if he makes punch sounds like in a Bruce Lee movie, he would be Bruce Lee? :))))
grarghov1 The purpose of that is for breathing during striking. Just like if you were to lift weights, you breath outward at maximum strain Ex: bench press, breath out when pushing bar upward. This guy clearly isnt the best, by far. If youd like to see a better representation of Muay Thai. Research Buakaw and Saenchai. They are very adept athletes and fighters. Maybe if you do a little more research you'll see why this "haymaker kick" exists. But as youll notice, thats not the only kick you'll see them throw.
Both did a great job although they were both limited by the rules. MT cannot go for the sweep or throw and his elbows and knees were limited to be used during the clinch. Savate guy had the least limitations because his art suits well for the rules, but couldnt use Savate's signature shoes so his kicking power was significantly lowered. My reflections on both arts. In my opinion Savate is faster, with better footwork, has more reach and has a much better defense than Muay Thai. However Muai Thai is much more resourceful (eight limbs, clinch, throws and sweeps), develops an outstanding punishment tolerance and generates whole a lot more kicking power, although power difference is reduced when Savate has its shoes on. I still think Muay Thai kicks are stronger. Both are great arts and here we are looking at two great fighters.
one of the main savate kick is with the point of your foot on the liver, with shoes on that's something even more painful than a punch in your chin, could knock out anyone at anytime
@Kai Watts, MMA fighter? David Hergault is a traditional Muay Thai fighter (Asian Style), which you can see by looking his stance and fighting style: low focus on boxing, high focus on kicking, low focus on combos, high focus on single hits, not very light on his feet. This is a good fight to see the difference between the 2 styles.
Muay Thai is not low focus on combos. Single attacks in Muay Thai are to stop forward momentum for the most part, unless it's just a blatant opening. Muay Thai combos are 2 and 3 count usually. With 1 punch and a kick, 2 punches and 1 kick or 1 punch and 2 kicks. More than that usually isn't done because Muay Thai has a lot of countering, which stops most combos of more than 2 counts if your defense is tight.
***** Exactly, Adam K. The fighter David Hergault is a traditional muay-thai fighter (he trained in Thailand), his fighting style is very different from a european "muay-thai" kick-boxing fighter. Rules are different, fighting style is different.
at least the fight looks genuine and not a set up like some muay thai/karate/taekondo/kungfu vs each other that are obvious fakes my those looking to show the superiority of their martial art.
Pennachio beat Ramon 'Diamond' Dekkers! The original Dutch guy that beat the Thais on their own turf and rules. I'm considering Erik Paulson's STX (savate X thai boxing), can't hurt to learn a few hybrid combinatons
In Savate you train to take kicks to the legs , instead to defend against them. You lean with you leg in an enemy kick, to take away his speed and room for get hard. That alone makes fighters to really, really strong tanks. Thats why the savate fighter could counter the kickboxers kick like a cheesecake
Combining Muay Thai and Savate would be one deadly combination. Dynamic long range attacks and fluid footwork with devastating close quarters striking.
Do you know who are some modern day masters of savate I could check on youtube? I just want to see more of similiar kind of talent.. This Pennachio guy seems to be very talented in various different areas of combat movement.. we have to remember it's not just the effectiveness of particular style/martial art, but the people using or representing the style..
Actually David Hergault was a respectable fighter enough to had fight at Lumpini 15 times back in the days. He has actually a record of 65 fights and 49 wins in Muay Thai.
Very good combination. But you should try Savate défense, which is kind of French Krav Maga. It includes everything from Savate + Self defense/Close Combat/ground work
Props to the killer Savate fighter! I annoyed his footwork and setups! 👍🏽 As a Muay Thai fighter myself, I know this guy is not an elite Thai boxer. He doesn't know how to clinch properly, his leg kick technique specifically is complete shit. On top of that, his defense is atrocious..
Savatte fighters start to think about getting into MMA after legalization of the sport in France, so we'll probably get to see some guys with savatte background in UFC in a few years, actually if guys like Gane or Dumbe are so good in striking it's also because of this french boxing history, tons of french striking coach have savatte background or have fought or learn savatte at one stage of their life. It was a university sport also
I don't know a lot about savate but is the reason the kicks can come at you so deceptively and fast because of how the kicks are chambered? Can someone who is a savate practitioner answer what aspects savate focuses on compared to Muay Thai
The only thing I don’t approve of in Muay Thai is how flat footed most Thai fighters are compared to kick boxers and other striking styles. When I think of a dangerous striker I think of someone who is absolutely fluid and can effectively strike and avoid being struck
@@rafaelpereira573 yeah your right about that. I have to hand it to the Thai boxers they seem to make their strikes count much more then western kick boxing.
nice fight i'm a little bit surprised though the french boxer didn't used tricks such as sweeping the thay boxer, especially when he was stuck in the ropes and tried to hit him with the knees
For once I'd like to see a match between an elite savateur and an elite practitioner of Muay Thai. Clearly you can see that Pennacchio has a much higher degree of expertise and dominance of Savate than Hergault has of Muay Thai and if not, it seems Hergault was very off his game. It would be amazing to see a proper Thai fighter from Thailand mix it up. The level of speed dexterity and tenacity of the Thai fighters would look great against the flair and agility of the Savateurs. Just my humble opinion.
+zoeaionios Yep, you can see exactly what you hope to see in Pennachio vs Dekkers. Two icons in their sports battling it out. Although I practice Muay Thai, and think Ramon Dekkers is one of the greatest ever, I have to admit, that Pennachio outclassed him. However, they fought under kickboxing rules, not Muay Thai rules, so Dekkers had his hands tied so to speak. If you watch Samart Payakaroon vs Murat Comert, which was fought under Muay Thai rules, you'll see Comert not do so well.
A few people know, the, VEGA´S STYLE OF COMBAT in STREET FIGHTER GAMES IS "SAVATE", easy to see in the STREET FIGHTER, THE ANIMATION MOVIE IN THE 90´s, a lot "joints" kicks, and similar kicks
Mauy Thai and Savate are the best two stand-up fighting styles for sure. Muay Thai because of its knees elbows and clinches. Savate because it has some Kungfu and Tae-qwondo kicks also. Both have exceptional boxing and kickboxing.
Victor Noel Cory Paz I mean small talent pool because there is very few practitioners around the world. Less practitioners = small talent pool = less fighters in others fighting events...
+hennoxxx, they're not too far to the truth... savate is a splendid sport combat but many years of films about kick and thay (van damme, chuck norris and so on...) drag away young guys from this discipline, even in france. it's not true that there aren't good talent, couse more talents begin with savate but turned into kick (more battles available...). in italy we have champions like angelo valente that begun with savate. but no one knows it. i begun with savate by case, 'cause i wanted to do kick but the instructor near home was a savate practicer. it was about '92, full van damme period. but, in the end i feel lucky to begin this art. although if i learned also its boxing form and not its other related disciplines, such as "canne" and "baton".
Machisme égotique à l'état pur ... gagner un combat où autre compétition cela empêche t il d'être con ? " Il n'y a pas de gagnant dans un combat, que des perdants " ! La force est avec le juste qui ne cautionne pas la loi égotique du plus fort !... Si tu cautionne la loi du plus fort de la compétition alors tu ne dois pas te plaindre quand des dominants l'utilisent contre toi dans quelques domaines que ce soit ! ... C'est pas l'acte accompli qui fait la force où la valeur d'une personne, c'est la cause pour laquelle il agit, cette cause doit être JUSTE , c'est à dire Noble d'AMOUR pour qu'il y est force et valeur; par exemple en sport de compétition ou le but est de gagner sur l'autre égoïstement pour se valoriser où pour l'argent (le cachet) y a t il de la noblesse d'âme ? Qui est le JUSTE (fort) celui qui gagne un match égoïstement en con-pétition pour la médaille et l'argent où celui qui refuse le match pour ne pas cautionner la loi du plus fort et l'argent comme Jésus ? Quand l'argent et la compétition parlent la vérité se tait ! Utiliser sa force physique pour se valoriser c'est afficher sa faiblesse !... La compétition c'est de la violence organisé égotique-ment; l'humain naturel doté de qualité physique supérieures à la moyenne les mettra au service de la communauté avec humilité, touché par cette attitude les autres l'écouterons et l'aimerons, jamais il ne commandera, il orientera ... JUSTE par les qualités de l'intelligence du coeur instinctive (humble,loyal, courageux,gratuit) jamais on ne le verra se servir de ses qualités physique "pour faire le beau" en public au détriment d'un autre ... Force et honneur te seront donner en servant les valeurs de ton coeur qui sont gratuité, loyauté, compassion et pas con-pétition !... vk.com/club160169429
I see these comments are old and the fight is VERY old, but c'mon people - this "muay thai" fighter is VERY funny and obviously lacks everything that he should have - his stance and guard are stupid, close to what should be, but wrong. His kicks - if a normal MT fighter kicks even in a block it can just break the arm, if an inappropriate block is done - in our case, i think the kicks of the savate guy were stronger...)))) No thais are holding such guard from maybe the 70's...with all my respect, i like savate a lot, but this just isn't "two styles very clear in this fight". Please watch some Thai fight from whatever year you want and find the 10000 differences...oh and btw, there are A LOT of front kicks in MT, which are maybe even harder to deflect, so this is again only David's problem...
David Hergault trained years in Thailand before this fight. His style is pure asian Muay Thai. Now he teaches in Hong Kong and has a very famous student in MT.
Oh, btw, Ramon Dekkers also trained in Thailand a lot, i assume after he understood the difference in training in Europe and there..which, also obviously, doesn't make him "Asian style MT fighter", ALTHOUGH in his fight with monsieur Pennacchio the difference after his kicks is obvious, there were some moments in the match in which Pennacchio is just jumping around after every kick ...I mean, once again, i respect savate a lot, exactly because of the agility and the very quick and complicated to block combinations, BUT there is no way that someone rushes into attacking combination, floating like a butterfly, after an "asian style MT" kick. At least i've never seen that. Conclusion - trained there for some years or not, this is just NOT the thai way, that is why he looks confused and a bit "wooden" all the time, imho.
Honestly, i feel that way as well. Maybe just for this fight but i feel that his guard and stance wasn't firm which opened up for counters. This caused him to have very slow kicks which is never seen in MT. I feel even though he trained for years it was probably the person who trained him which caused him in the lack of offence and defense. I feel this video may be a really good Savate :D presentation (i dont do savate so i can't judge unfairly), but i feel its unfair for people to judge MT's style with this fight. I would love to see a fighter which is adapt in Savate vs someone like Saenchai or Singdam to show that MT isn't all just about power, but the timing as well to land a single or 2-3 power combo to stop momentum from an opponent. Or maybe a person who is doing Savate to overcome the strike with combo's which overwhelm an opponent. But i can say that MT fighters focus a lot on counters as well and they make sure each kick lands with their firm stance.
This is not kickboxing rules at all … There is no clinch allowed in kickboxing actually its muay thai rules fighters just didnt use elbows for somereason
I've practiced Savate for only 6 months after having practiced other styles during about 5 years and I've noticed a significant improve in my defense. Specially because where I practiced I had to spar every day. In the beginning I came home with my ear ringing every day. At the end of the six months I'd practically never get hit in the face, and I was hitting my opponents a lot more too.
Yes yes!
That's because it teaches you to study the footwork when on defense or striking , and when you adjust to the timing of your opponent , it can allow you to manage distance .. And when you manage the distance , you can manage the damage .
Sparring every day for six months? Sounds rough. I hope you don't got mild brain damage.
What other styles did you practice? Jw
sparring everyday? Enjoy your brain damage bro lmao
a good savate figther is such a pain to fight against. i have immense respect for them, they are like 'ring mastermind'. they create false opportunity and punish you hard. they are such good technician
@@RokoKaran nonsense..
Complete bullshit! They're both terrible fighters but Muay Thai's guy should have won!
@@you-cf7df What fight were you watching? The Frenchman knocked the Muay Thai guy on his ass three times, forced two standing 8-counts, landed more punches and kicks, and did more damage. Pretty clear winner, if you ask me.
@@you-cf7df hahahahahahahahaha! what the fuck have you seen?
Yeah and a terrible muay thai fighter is so easy to fight against
Highly underrated art.
Which one?
MuffinsCrib i guess savate
Imagine the Parisian slums during the French Revolution. Barricades, grapeshot, and Savate.
@@MrPoochie-jv8qd sorry bro but savate was born on the XIX century.
@Nikolaij Brouiller
France (and all the countries) possessed regional martial arts for hundreds of years which contributed to the savate. Savate was not born suddenly (no serious martial art was born suddenly)
2:23 fucking unreal kick right there. the timing, landing, balance and recovery was just pitch perfect.
I've rewatched it about 50 times, you're right, it's unreal - he MUST have been planning if for about 3 seconds before, but you see NO indication of this, and also: Hergault's guard seemed to be tight enough. I'm rewatching and rewatching, and I just don't SEE the opening. Awesome kick.
For me the 7:00 is SICK AF!! So unreal how much he was sent flying over such a minimal kick. It just shows power is not everything to take someone down
11:55 ma dude
Ive trained muay thai for many years....my coach always used to speak praise about savate how they have speed in their kicks....I see y now...that lead leg front kick from pinnachio was amazing
Savate is so dynamic and fast !
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Of course Bruce Lee's kicking is from savate not kung fu.
O savate tem chutes mais rápidos mais não tão potentes
@@YamamotoKazuo His kicking is from Taekwondo, not savate
Savate is pretty underrated
I'm a savateur but practiced muay thai years ago. The combination of these two is a brutal mix. Great fight
Dannte Eskew take a look at dutch kickboxing it encorparates botg
Never heard of savateur not only that but I’m pretty sure there aren’t any places here to train and learn it :/
@@paullytle246 nope, it combines 50 50 muay thau and boxing. Savateur still is faster than the dutch even they have the mobility. Yet those lightning fast kicks are not taught in dutch.
@@PLONG12345 depends on the trainer. Dutch kickboxing base is heavily based on Kyokushin karate not muay Thai. Literally almost every Dutch trainer a form of Karate background.
@@kesenaememere8520 i agree. But even kyokushin kicks are more power based rather than speed. Savate on the other hand i can compare to takewondo speed
The only disadvantage for the savate fighter in this match is, because he can't wear his shoes, he can't kick with his toes.
He can't use oblique kicks too (chasse bas).
That sounds like a good thing really. Who'd wanna use their toes to kick
Shoes would protect the toes and and the point of the shoe would concentrate a lot of force on a small surface area.
@@imnotherenow200 You have like 4-6 inch reach advantage with boots, and you can kick without worrying much about your toes. Reinforced steel toe boots to the gut or teeth is extra damaging
The Muay Thai fighter cant use clinch which is a huge disadvantage
The experience of Pennacchio... Always composed, always in savate style. I like how he keeps the arms close to his face, making it more difficult to estimate his arm range
et OUI, il est dans le pure style de la Savate Boxe Française !
My seminar with Francois Pennacchio over 10 years ago was the highlight of my combat sport education (along with another seminar with Sylvain Postel). Savate has soooooo much to offer to any standup practionner, and even MMA. Crazy how so many of their concepts have yet to be used in other sports. (granted, we are seeing more and more of these concepts with top level UFC dudes)
You are very privileged to learn with François Pennacchio! He is a very technical fighter.
Please share any video of your seminar if you have. Savate is very good as a standup fighting for self defence
I like the Savate guy because he has more rhythm. He can immediately followup some punches after he kicks.
+volikoto It's less telegraphed but they kick with speed rather than power.
i never enjoyed savate techniques.. it looks like a frantic form of fighting.. the way they move.. they have no defense to the knees .. they dont know how to fight in the clinch.. and honestly, im all for footwork and evasion but the way they move makes it look like they are like rabbits.. dont like it..
Shovon Rahman it’s the nature of the fighter
@@combatfitness7092 CombatFITNESS doesn't like the dynamism of French Boxing ...
@@combatfitness7092 Opinion respected. We are the opposites tho because i dont like how Muay Thai fighters fight, they are like idiots beating each other up without evasive movements and footwork. It's ugly as fuck.
I used to practice savate for ten years and know only since few month I practice Muay Thai, and that is true we move a lot more in savate with all those little jump and we also deal better (I think) with the distance.
Yea I've trained Muay Thai for 5 years now and realising the limited movement of traditional Muay Thai I had to drill in being fleet footed like savate practitioner and it's helped a ton with being more explosive it's alot of fun
Yes. Im noticing the same thing. Going from boxing to Muay Thai, the lack of footwork/distance control/ring generalship really bothered me. I see Savate as something that bridges the 2 in the middle. I dig it.
For real it’s like you have a controlled taekwondo with actual punching and then throw Muay Thai it’s beastly
8:45 Just beautiful.. especially the last little kick to the supporting leg :)
Savate is fast and utilize boxing very well! Love those fancy kicks too!
It's interesting to see the differences in principles between Muay Thai, Savate and Kickboxing and in my opinion Savate combines striking and kicking best. In general.
If the others used shoes.. they would look more similar.. no one want to be kicked with savate shoe. It's pretty nasty.
You can see here how Savate uses the left leg (right handed fighter) way more than than Muay Taî, right is more powerfull, but left is way faster, it's like a Jab with the leg.
Jab with the kick has more reach and power than jab with a punch.
Savate is way the more fast and dynamic of the fighting arts. The concept is to make the opponent to fail, and to punish him, not using strenght but finding the sensible points. The golden rule is to attack always with at least 3 hits, the first hit is to make your opponent open and then you hit with the tip of the shoes (damnly hard) on liver, stomac, ribs, tendon, always finishing with front arm/leg in order to keep distance after the attack . Check again what Pennachio does...
Another thing: in kick boxing and thai is forbidden to use the sole of the foot below the belt. When you receive a kick above the knee with the sole or even worst the heel meanwhile you are going towards your opponent, you knee is over extended, you are stopped, with no guard and balance, completely passive to your opponent. This simple kick is the worst weapon of savate that is never used (or even forbidden) in fighting sports.
The Savate fighter has really nice technique . the other guy seemed a little limited and always dropping his guard.
muito bom video.
@@lucaslima4785 e que falo as duas linguas :)
Huge respect for both fighters
Man I've never watched this fight before and I gotta say, Pennacchio is very good here. He lands some very clean strikes and shows an amazing management of distance. It's a pleasure to watch.
Made us savateurs proud lol
The way the savate guy throws his low kicks with his guard up is pretty cool. Istead of focusing on generating maximum power by swinging his arm down and exposing his chin. He instead just snaps the low kick out while guarded, still effective and much more safe.
Holy crap! That David guy can take a hit. He just wouldn't give up!
Savate: boxe française Elle est nettement plus élégante , merci pour les commentaires positifs de cette boxe trop peu connue ...
@@mehdibagadah6892 cordialement
@@mehdibagadah6892 la preuve en image...Bizarement à chaque combats poings/pieds interdisciplines que je vois la bf l'emporte...
Personellement je trouve plus beau la thailandaise, je fais de la française mais je trouve que le fait de sautiller tout le temps ( on retrouve ça dans d'autres boxes ) est assez pénible pour soi, bref les deux boxes sont tres efficcaces et complètes
@@mehdibagadah6892 tu fait tiep toi
@@jean-charles6255 Je crois que c'est dû au fait que la savate, c'est vraiment une technique de pieds et poings tandis que dans le Muay thaï et le kick boxing on utilise plus les jambes. Dans la savate, le pratiquant enchaîne systématiquement un coup de pied par un coup de poing, chez les autres ce n'est pas le cas. De plus dans la savate d'après ce que je vois on leur enseigne la précision chez les autres la répétition.
François c'est un super combattant doublé d'un super mec...j'ai participé avec lui au tournoi "kinf of the ring" au kirghistan lui en - 67 kg moi en - 63 kg. Nous avons mis les gants pour nous préparer à nos combats respectifs...et je peux vous dire que mine de rien ..CA FRAPPE !!!! sur tous les impacts. Il à d'ailleurs gagné le tournoi dans sa catégorie. Un mec humble, vrai guerrier et qui ne lâche rien avec en plus une intelligence du ring. Trop méconnu. Quelques images d'époque que de souvenir des précurseurs du pied/poing...bon visionnage a tous.
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Je n'ai jamais vu François mais je l'admire depuis que je pratique la savate, par contre en kick je peux t'assurer que tu as été un super coach! La bise des cevennes
coll merci c'est très sympa ....@@jonathanwolga3820
Going to start watching savate fighters now...I am impressed.
Le chassé latéral haut jambe avant reste un des plus beaux coups de pieds que l'on puisse voir en boxe pieds poings, magnifique combat. Pennachio represente les tireurs de savate a l'ancienne, aussi forts qu'elegants, jai vu ce combat des dizaines de fois et je me régale toujours autant.
Hergault's strategy seems to have been to get Pennacchio to punch and kick him repeatedly in the head to tire him out.
KillerSalmon , David Hergault used this same strategy of Conor McGregor against Khabib.
Ah... the Homer Simpson strategy.
KillerSalmon Dominick Cruz agrees
14:53 man, what a kick
Pennachio is a joy to watch fighting
great francois! great champion!
savate style is more focus to combination move than muay thay
I realise that a lot is down to individual fighters in any fight but the few savate fighters I have seen have impressed me as has the style.
Thank you for the video. Savate and Muay Thai are both very powerful self defense arts.
Pennacchio totally owned it...
Highly underrated art and it is therefore dangerous. :)
Penacchio: le chassé-figure jambe avant, au premier round : absolument magnifique !!! (Et le fauchage du deuxieme round n'est pas mal non pus !)
Tremendous fight, thanks for uploading!
At 6:57 you see the essence of Muay Thai (Maximum Brute force) vs Savate (Timing and enough power).
+Mary Palmens III The missed kicks by MT fighter make it impossible to return the kicking foot back to its original position. This is something they teach in Savate NEVER to do.
+Mary Palmens III Put a pair of shoes and the muay thai didn't last 1 round.
Use muay (asian)thai rules and the savate guy didn't last 1 round.
pennacchio was master in kickboxing , muay thai and savate, he don t use pure savate
actually if the red guy would have focused on fast and accurate attacks instead of concentrating on constantly making ridiculous "pffch", "ssh", tssckh" sounds along with his haymaker-style kicks (as this can be heard even when missing by a mile, it is obvious that he is slithering with his mouth...), he would have been on par with Pennachio :)
i simply did not understand the purpose of making sounds like that - Pennachio NEVER did like this with his punches/kicks. What did Hergault think - if he makes punch sounds like in a Bruce Lee movie, he would be Bruce Lee? :))))
grarghov1 The purpose of that is for breathing during striking.
Just like if you were to lift weights, you breath outward at maximum strain
Ex: bench press, breath out when pushing bar upward.
This guy clearly isnt the best, by far. If youd like to see a better representation of Muay Thai. Research Buakaw and Saenchai. They are very adept athletes and fighters. Maybe if you do a little more research you'll see why this "haymaker kick" exists. But as youll notice, thats not the only kick you'll see them throw.
Both did a great job although they were both limited by the rules. MT cannot go for the sweep or throw and his elbows and knees were limited to be used during the clinch. Savate guy had the least limitations because his art suits well for the rules, but couldnt use Savate's signature shoes so his kicking power was significantly lowered.
My reflections on both arts. In my opinion Savate is faster, with better footwork, has more reach and has a much better defense than Muay Thai. However Muai Thai is much more resourceful (eight limbs, clinch, throws and sweeps), develops an outstanding punishment tolerance and generates whole a lot more kicking power, although power difference is reduced when Savate has its shoes on. I still think Muay Thai kicks are stronger.
Both are great arts and here we are looking at two great fighters.
one of the main savate kick is with the point of your foot on the liver, with shoes on that's something even more painful than a punch in your chin, could knock out anyone at anytime
I agree.
Savate seems to be both faster and more precise.
@Kai Watts,
MMA fighter? David Hergault is a traditional Muay Thai fighter (Asian Style), which you can see by looking his stance and fighting style: low focus on boxing, high focus on kicking, low focus on combos, high focus on single hits, not very light on his feet.
This is a good fight to see the difference between the 2 styles.
I think combinations depends on the individual.. if this savate guys fought saenchai or buakaw you will see a much bigger work rate from those elite.
Muay Thai is not low focus on combos. Single attacks in Muay Thai are to stop forward momentum for the most part, unless it's just a blatant opening. Muay Thai combos are 2 and 3 count usually. With 1 punch and a kick, 2 punches and 1 kick or 1 punch and 2 kicks. More than that usually isn't done because Muay Thai has a lot of countering, which stops most combos of more than 2 counts if your defense is tight.
***** Exactly, Adam K. The fighter David Hergault is a traditional muay-thai fighter (he trained in Thailand), his fighting style is very different from a european "muay-thai" kick-boxing fighter. Rules are different, fighting style is different.
at least the fight looks genuine and not a set up like some muay thai/karate/taekondo/kungfu vs each other that are obvious fakes my those looking to show the superiority of their martial art.
thai people eat dogs they don't know nothing
Pennachio beat Ramon 'Diamond' Dekkers! The original Dutch guy that beat the Thais on their own turf and rules. I'm considering Erik Paulson's STX (savate X thai boxing), can't hurt to learn a few hybrid combinatons
Chris Adrien
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Interesting that Pennachio beat Ramon Dekkers.
Dekkers has had a lot of success in Muay Thai.
I think Dekkers lost more than he won against Thai fighters. 14 wins 22 losses.
But yeah, at least he have won against Thai fighters.
In Savate you train to take kicks to the legs , instead to defend against them. You lean with you leg in an enemy kick, to take away his speed and room for get hard. That alone makes fighters to really, really strong tanks. Thats why the savate fighter could counter the kickboxers kick like a cheesecake
The Savateur....mobile heavy artillery. Very effective!
Yes, indeed! 6"2 215 pounds, but still fast!
I can't believe it..!!
That's a muay thay fighter, its an incredible fight.
Combining Muay Thai and Savate would be one deadly combination. Dynamic long range attacks and fluid footwork with devastating close quarters striking.
that's what MMA figther should learn, i'm surprised it's still not a thing
Le revers figure de penachio est juste extraordinaire
Nice axe kicks, you don't see those often. Props to Hergault for using the classic Rocky strategy of blocking strikes with his face.
I'd like to see a top Savate fighter fight a top Muay Thai from Lumpini.
Dekkers vs Pennachio?
Madani/ Pennachio vs. Pakorn/Iquezang
Do you know who are some modern day masters of savate I could check on youtube? I just want to see more of similiar kind of talent.. This Pennachio guy seems to be very talented in various different areas of combat movement.. we have to remember it's not just the effectiveness of particular style/martial art, but the people using or representing the style..
Actually David Hergault was a respectable fighter enough to had fight at Lumpini 15 times back in the days. He has actually a record of 65 fights and 49 wins in Muay Thai.
Ray Navarrette the dancing style of savate wouldn't be scored well thai judges love when you back someone up
Western striking arts like kickboxing and savate have advantage to traditional Muay Thai due to English boxing mixed. Superior hands is a big thing..
Sou do Muay Thai mas acho que esse juiz salvou de mais o cara do Muay Thai, não ?
Damn! Savate is very good! No wonder Bruce Lee studied this art.
Bruce lee studied savate?
2 Magnifiques combattants!
Savate is heavily underrated fr
From what I have observed, savate fighters have a good sense of distancing which is why they have pinpoint accuracy in their kicks.
très beau match, dommage que la savate est moins mise en avant, surtout avec la lutte parisienne
Это было потрясающе!
Good video. Thank you for sharing
I am learning Savate and Krav Maga and my instructor told me to watch this video. Now I know why... :)
Very good combination. But you should try Savate défense, which is kind of French Krav Maga. It includes everything from Savate + Self defense/Close Combat/ground work
@@tony_5156 since when we are stealing we have french jews Btw. Anyways you can learn Stuff without stealing anything
Krav maga sucks but savate is ok
Props to the killer Savate fighter! I annoyed his footwork and setups! 👍🏽
As a Muay Thai fighter myself, I know this guy is not an elite Thai boxer.
He doesn't know how to clinch properly, his leg kick technique specifically is complete shit.
On top of that, his defense is atrocious..
savate combo made the difference.
Боец савата великолепен!
Savate ❤
French boxing is the best boxing to begin to fight fist and feet...
Savate is a system of fighting with hard soled shoes, with shoes these body kicks would have broken ribs and split the liver.
Savatte fighters start to think about getting into MMA after legalization of the sport in France, so we'll probably get to see some guys with savatte background in UFC in a few years, actually if guys like Gane or Dumbe are so good in striking it's also because of this french boxing history, tons of french striking coach have savatte background or have fought or learn savatte at one stage of their life. It was a university sport also
Savate is like ballet and kick boxing. It uses deception of kicks and combinations. Very versatile while muay thai is very linear.
I liked the resilence against the knee strikes
Great savateur Pennachio !
I don't know a lot about savate but is the reason the kicks can come at you so deceptively and fast because of how the kicks are chambered? Can someone who is a savate practitioner answer what aspects savate focuses on compared to Muay Thai
i adore savate ....intelligence...mobility agaisnt brutality of muay thai
La BF est vraiment le plus bel art martial
The only thing I don’t approve of in Muay Thai is how flat footed most Thai fighters are compared to kick boxers and other striking styles. When I think of a dangerous striker I think of someone who is absolutely fluid and can effectively strike and avoid being struck
ThaiBoxers are more hitters
Kickboxers are fluid and light due to the greater influence of western boxing.
@@rafaelpereira573 yeah your right about that. I have to hand it to the Thai boxers they seem to make their strikes count much more then western kick boxing.
Pour avoir rencontrer François Pennacchio je peu dire que c'est un vrai champion
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
real fight
1:21 🥊
👇❤
Really good fight.
Très beau combat.
Savate fighters are very technical and have good movement and fast and sharp kicks
nice fight
i'm a little bit surprised though
the french boxer didn't used tricks such as sweeping the thay boxer, especially when he was stuck in the ropes and tried to hit him with the knees
The ref was doing his best for any reason to stop this fight. Hergault, though game, was just outclassed.
For once I'd like to see a match between an elite savateur and an elite practitioner of Muay Thai. Clearly you can see that Pennacchio has a much higher degree of expertise and dominance of Savate than Hergault has of Muay Thai and if not, it seems Hergault was very off his game. It would be amazing to see a proper Thai fighter from Thailand mix it up. The level of speed dexterity and tenacity of the Thai fighters would look great against the flair and agility of the Savateurs. Just my humble opinion.
Look for François Pennachio vs Ramon Dekkers.
+zoeaionios Yep, you can see exactly what you hope to see in Pennachio vs Dekkers. Two icons in their sports battling it out. Although I practice Muay Thai, and think Ramon Dekkers is one of the greatest ever, I have to admit, that Pennachio outclassed him. However, they fought under kickboxing rules, not Muay Thai rules, so Dekkers had his hands tied so to speak. If you watch Samart Payakaroon vs Murat Comert, which was fought under Muay Thai rules, you'll see Comert not do so well.
akumasan707 a number of savate kicks are forbidden too.
A few people know, the, VEGA´S STYLE OF COMBAT in STREET FIGHTER GAMES IS "SAVATE", easy to see in the STREET FIGHTER, THE ANIMATION MOVIE IN THE 90´s, a lot "joints" kicks, and similar kicks
Mauy Thai and Savate are the best two stand-up fighting styles for sure. Muay Thai because of its knees elbows and clinches. Savate because it has some Kungfu and Tae-qwondo kicks also. Both have exceptional boxing and kickboxing.
Why aren´t there more savateurs in K1? Its´s a shame, their style is good and effective and it would be a win for any K1 event.
Small talent pool. Heck, even in France there is more muay thai fighters than savate fighters...
***** high
Victor Noel Cory Paz I mean small talent pool because there is very few practitioners around the world. Less practitioners = small talent pool = less fighters in others fighting events...
It's like catch wrestling in the grappling world, I could count the gyms in the United States on one hand.
+hennoxxx, they're not too far to the truth...
savate is a splendid sport combat but many years of films about kick and thay (van damme, chuck norris and so on...) drag away young guys from this discipline, even in france.
it's not true that there aren't good talent, couse more talents begin with savate but turned into kick (more battles available...). in italy we have champions like angelo valente that begun with savate. but no one knows it.
i begun with savate by case, 'cause i wanted to do kick but the instructor near home was a savate practicer. it was about '92, full van damme period. but, in the end i feel lucky to begin this art.
although if i learned also its boxing form and not its other related disciplines, such as "canne" and "baton".
savate boxe francaise est la plus stratege et rapide des boxes pieds poings
Why does the Muay Thai guy have a tennis racket on his head?
He probably felt like a tennis ball after a match at Wimbledon.
All I have to say is "it was a good match."
Joli combat.
nice fight ... Saware ..is not often to seen .. But very effective....early of founding of Jkd was based very skills of this martial art
Brain, sense of observation... VS a Muay Thai fighter who has neither the one nor the other.
to be honest the fact that the savate boxer had to fight barefoot is a handicap
tres bon combat, tres dynamique.
Hergault seems kind of timid and defensive for a Muay Thai fighter. That style of fighting doesn't suit muay thai well imo
That axe kick was beautiful. Announcers said side kick I believe it was a axe kick
Machisme égotique à l'état pur ... gagner un combat où autre compétition cela empêche t il d'être con ? " Il n'y a pas de gagnant dans un combat, que des perdants " !
La force est avec le juste qui ne cautionne pas la loi égotique du plus fort !...
Si tu cautionne la loi du plus fort de la compétition alors tu ne dois pas te plaindre quand des dominants l'utilisent contre toi dans quelques domaines que ce soit ! ...
C'est pas l'acte accompli qui fait la force où la valeur d'une personne, c'est la cause pour laquelle il agit, cette cause doit être JUSTE , c'est à dire Noble d'AMOUR pour qu'il y est force et valeur; par exemple en sport de compétition ou le but est de gagner sur l'autre égoïstement pour se valoriser où pour l'argent (le cachet) y a t il de la noblesse d'âme ?
Qui est le JUSTE (fort) celui qui gagne un match égoïstement en con-pétition pour la médaille et l'argent où celui qui refuse le match pour ne pas cautionner la loi du plus fort et l'argent comme Jésus ?
Quand l'argent et la compétition parlent la vérité se tait !
Utiliser sa force physique pour se valoriser c'est afficher sa faiblesse !...
La compétition c'est de la violence organisé égotique-ment; l'humain naturel doté de qualité physique supérieures à la moyenne les mettra au service de la communauté avec humilité, touché par cette attitude les autres l'écouterons et l'aimerons, jamais il ne commandera, il orientera ... JUSTE par les qualités de l'intelligence du coeur instinctive (humble,loyal, courageux,gratuit) jamais on ne le verra se servir de ses qualités physique "pour faire le beau" en public au détriment d'un autre ...
Force et honneur te seront donner en servant les valeurs de ton coeur qui sont gratuité, loyauté, compassion et pas con-pétition !... vk.com/club160169429
Somebody was catchin' those hands!
I see these comments are old and the fight is VERY old, but c'mon people - this "muay thai" fighter is VERY funny and obviously lacks everything that he should have - his stance and guard are stupid, close to what should be, but wrong. His kicks - if a normal MT fighter kicks even in a block it can just break the arm, if an inappropriate block is done - in our case, i think the kicks of the savate guy were stronger...)))) No thais are holding such guard from maybe the 70's...with all my respect, i like savate a lot, but this just isn't "two styles very clear in this fight". Please watch some Thai fight from whatever year you want and find the 10000 differences...oh and btw, there are A LOT of front kicks in MT, which are maybe even harder to deflect, so this is again only David's problem...
David Hergault trained years in Thailand before this fight. His style is pure asian Muay Thai. Now he teaches in Hong Kong and has a very famous student in MT.
Which i respect very much, but it obviously doesn't change anything...
Oh, btw, Ramon Dekkers also trained in Thailand a lot, i assume after he understood the difference in training in Europe and there..which, also obviously, doesn't make him "Asian style MT fighter", ALTHOUGH in his fight with monsieur Pennacchio the difference after his kicks is obvious, there were some moments in the match in which Pennacchio is just jumping around after every kick ...I mean, once again, i respect savate a lot, exactly because of the agility and the very quick and complicated to block combinations, BUT there is no way that someone rushes into attacking combination, floating like a butterfly, after an "asian style MT" kick. At least i've never seen that. Conclusion - trained there for some years or not, this is just NOT the thai way, that is why he looks confused and a bit "wooden" all the time, imho.
Honestly, i feel that way as well. Maybe just for this fight but i feel that his guard and stance wasn't firm which opened up for counters. This caused him to have very slow kicks which is never seen in MT. I feel even though he trained for years it was probably the person who trained him which caused him in the lack of offence and defense. I feel this video may be a really good Savate :D presentation (i dont do savate so i can't judge unfairly), but i feel its unfair for people to judge MT's style with this fight.
I would love to see a fighter which is adapt in Savate vs someone like Saenchai or Singdam to show that MT isn't all just about power, but the timing as well to land a single or 2-3 power combo to stop momentum from an opponent. Or maybe a person who is doing Savate to overcome the strike with combo's which overwhelm an opponent. But i can say that MT fighters focus a lot on counters as well and they make sure each kick lands with their firm stance.
That was a great fight
This is not kickboxing rules at all … There is no clinch allowed in kickboxing actually its muay thai rules fighters just didnt use elbows for somereason
In my opinion it is K1 style of rules. Probably elbows were not allowed...
La boxe française, le top !!!
Savate is the best