Since back nose-blunt was already done at that spot, it might be interesting to investigate what "switch" even means when *EVERYTHING* a guy does is switch. Obviously that''s more of a philosophical/semantic question, but you might be able to quantify whether at a certain point the connotation that "switch" is more difficult just ceases to be true. Is there any evidence to suggest Tiago could've done that back nose blunt and back tail regular? Maybe not--but we've all got a trick or two that comes easier switch . . . but what happens if eventually 70, 80, 90 percent of your tricks come easier switch? And you've got more pop switch? And you land switch flip tricks more consistently in SKATE? Maybe at a certain point the foot you popped your first ollie with just isn't the more important factor in determining your stance.
someone makes this argument whenever someone is good switch but it makes no sense. Watch Tiago parts, he is not lacking in either stance. This argument is like saying "when LeBron scores it should only count for 1 point because it's easier for him" and that's just nonsense. If you go down the rabbit hole of penalizing skating to their skillset you're just penalizing people for being good.
@@non_brewed_condiment I think that analogy is backwards: it's more like asking whether basketball players should get *extra* points for shooting with their weak hand, even if they start shooting better with their "weak" hand. This was a clear case of Tiago getting "extra points" for doing a trick "the hard way", since it had already been done the other way and that didn't win trick of the year. I think it's legitimate to ask whether it was, for him, actually "the hard way"--and if there's footage of him doing similar regular tricks on equivalently tall spots, then hey, I'm proven wrong just like that. (Which is why I wouldn't make this argument for just *anyone* who's good switch.) But I rewatched three of his parts before making this comment and the only really high grinds/slides I found that weren't switch or nollie were crooked grinds--which I think we can agree are much easier to get up on something high than a back tail or nose blunt.
He's his own worst enemy in SLS. He boxes himself into a corner with his trick selection, almost always leaving himself needing several bangers in a row just to move on. He also does a lot of the same or similar tricks from runs to singles, which hurts his scoring. He's the only guy I've seen get a zero for a landed trick by doing the exact same trick twice. He needs a manager to help him strategize like Nyjah / Rayssa do
Mota’s kick front blunt is arguably one of the best done tricks ever. It’s perfect. He pops it crazy high, the flick/catch is so good and he just lays the blunt on there and pops out perfectly. Style was soooo good too. It’d be near impossible to find a trick as hard as his done so well. We witness robbery in broad day light.
A trick we've seen done for years, on a bigger rail vs a trick almost no one does, on a 3' high, 12' long ledge. Fakie flip switch front feeble was more impressive, nbd. Keep up weiner.
@@johnmeehan7884 Filipe should have won on style alone, not even taking into account trick difficulty. He was robbed, that was 100% the real trick of the year!
I wouldn’t even say it’s that stylized, he did it just really well but what style does he have? It’s clean but is clean a style or just a way of doing it?
Wouldn't be so bad if they gave us the option to actual vote for the trick, say the polls are open all December, then come new years eve the most popular vote from the skateboarding community wins
I know! 😅 Tiago could've tried that a million times with countless returns from basically zero risk of injury. Imagine going for a 3rd attempt or beyond at HH 16.
@@YouilAushana dude a bigger flip boardslide was done down the 16 and nobody cares about it, there seems to 16 isn’t as gnarly as it used to be. And if Gnarly is what you are judging on them Hobans Blunt wins
Not even the gnarliest trick done at that spot is my argument, there are plenty of harder tricks done at that spot, nothing has been done that is more difficult at tiagos spot
@@GERBOY90 that *bigflip* boardslide was years ago and they are both equally difficult and different tricks. mota's was flawless too. couldn't have been any better
Wait Filipe Mota DIDN'T win Trick of the Year with that Kickflip Front Blunt down Hollywood High.. WTF? Mota deserved that (It takes a whole different level of commitment & skill to pull that off & He did it PERFECTLY!) That's such BS
@@benmcreynolds8581 dude, it wasn’t trick of the year, a bigger flip boardslide was done on that rail this year which tells you that Hollywood 16 isn’t the beast it once was. If you wanna talk about commitment then Hobans blunt on walnut takes it and honestly if kickfliped blunted the 16 nobody would care, there seems to be this cult of Mota at the moment pushing his skating hard. But Cordano deserved to win, an actual insane NBA done down a huge rail.
@@GERBOY90A bigger flip board going down HH means nothing. Moto's flip front blunt is a significantly more difficult trick and probs the most difficult rail trick done at HH. It's always been a notorious spot and it's way more dangerous and heavy than Tiago's usual tall ledge skating. Crazy to me Tiago has two tricks of the year doing a switch bs slide on a tall ledge. Why do they have originality as a judging point when it's completely ignored?? I have similar issues with SOTY and SLS judging. SLS seems to rarely or only slightly dock repetitive tricks. It's noticeable with Gustavo Ribeiro and Yuto spamming nollie spin lipslides. Some skaters stick to skating all regs in their lines and don't get docked. Then you have the top dudes (especially Nyjah) who's runs and single tricks are packed with 3-4 different stances. One should be getting higher scoring but I don't see it much. There needs to be some docking for repetitive stance and spin direction. Another example is Giovanna doing mostly cab lipslides spinning the same direction. The second one of same stance and rotation should obviously be docked but it never is. Yuto plays this to his advantage a lot with his same nollie bs to slide tricks.
@@mclarensaleenf7 in what world is a Kickflip blunt harder than a bigger flip boardslide? We’ve been seen Kickflip blunts on handrails for over 20years with Shane O’Neil doing it switch, why havnt we seen bigger flip boardslide done many times over 20years? If originality is your sticking point then you should be pushing Cordano who actually did an original trick on a huge handrail that nobody has done. And going it repetitive tricks, Mota is guilty of this also, we’ve been seen him do Kickflip blunts for years along with his hurricane variations, you just seem to be really nitpicking here. Gabbers and Hoban was Gnarlier, Foys was more tech and an NBD and Cordanos was gnarly, more original, an NBD and way more innovative. I don’t Lemos should have won but Mota should not have won either
Straight up. Daan has legitimately been a contender for the best skateboarder alive for so long now and he never gets any credit for it. He’s not just suciu level tech, he’s fucking gnarly. Oh and why is he on anti hero? Because he’s cracked at transition skating too. Felipe’s trick was hard and he did it effortlessly but to be honest, it’s just him doing a contest trick he always does at a street spot. Daan’s shit is unprecedented.
Both tricks are sick, I like the flip front blunt way more and I think that not taking the danger into account is a poor excuse to give the award to the superstar. Every single Milton TOTY is because of the danger factor, if it was not dangerous 200 other skaters would do his two tricks.
@@heyman620 if we take danger into account then Hoban or Gabbers wins, a bigger flip boardslide was done on the 16 this year and nobody talked about which proves the 16 isn’t what it used to be
I definitely agree. Mota’s was dope and I’d pick all day over tiago’s, but there was a lot of dope skating done this year and it just seems crazy to me that a switch Fs nose blunt on 3 1/2ft ledge would win.
@@wolfpecker5710 bs..... well, Tiago's on the trasher magazine cover, toty or soty winners got scored a lot for what they did for trasher. (Gary said) so maybe that's the crucial point!
He did a _front blunt._ It's designated by which side (front side or back side) the obstacle is oriented on you when you pop. In this case it was oriented towards his _front side._
@@nikey373 dude a bigger flip boardslide was done down the Hollywood 16 and nobody cares, the rail isn’t as insane as it once was. If Hoban kickflip blunts the 16 nobody cares aswell, there seems to be a cult around Mota
I think Tiago's trick won because I can think of a few other people who could do a kickflip front blunt on Hollywood high, but can't think of many other people, if any at all, that could do a switch back noseblunt at that spot. That plus the crustyness of the ledge and the fact that the spot is iconic sealed the win
@@dumbdata34 it is iconic! it's just that it's oversaturated. I also don't think it's true that "if they could do it, they'd have already done it". Plenty of rail chompers could do it. Tiago won because he is the only person on the planet that can do that trick at that spot.
LOL, some skaters can probably (?) do both tricks (Tyshawn Jones can probably do Tiago's trick for example, he did it regular, but maybe not because it is switch, not sure, I am also not sure who can flip front blunt Hollywood 16), but the flip front blunt was way cooler and had a crazy WOW effect. A few people can also 50-50 like Kyle Walker.
I think the jumping up to a high ledge gets played out because it’s kinda like….a really tall basketball player being great because they are just…really really tall lol. Like obviously they are both professional and very skilled, but when that’s always the shining attribute of the trick it’s kinda like….well ok, we get it you can jump lol.
My biggest issue with this is that the whole epitome of skating switch is being ambidextrous, you want to prove you’re so good at skating you can completely mirror image a trick. When you watch a Tiago part he does so much more switch and nollie tricks than regular, switch is honestly losing its meaning. So when that’s the case and you do a trick that’s already been done regular, you don’t prove you can do it regular I don’t think you should win when there’s been this many insane tricks done this year. Tiago has made it look like high pop backside slides are easier for him to do switch over the years, you can’t deny that, similarly to the way frontside big spins are easier for a lot of people to do switch. I say this, if Tiago can prove he can do that both ways…. Fine he can have it, otherwise give the hungry young gun his cake.
This is very well put dude. Respectful but honest. When I was younger, I skated with a guy who rode regular but did 90% of his tricks “switch” in goofy. I would argue that it was his predominant stance if not, as you say, he was ambidextrous. I’ve been away from skating for a while now but have been keeping an eye from a distance. This year I’ve seen some CRAZY tricks. For a nearly 40 year old man, some of the things being done these days are mind bending. I was a little surprised to see this win trick of the year as i just don’t see how it beats out the insane things being done.
He did not pop over the ledge with That bs noseblunt, he went straight at it:( womp womp… politics in skateboarding at its worst, sorry Felipe, you should’ve won no doubt.
I'd love to see a statistics video about King of the Road. I know it has not been on air in a while, but I think there is interesting inference that can be done concerning the data... I am thinking points etc:)
They have been doing the regular kotr tapes from thrasher since 2000. That vice reality show was a banger. Like that F1 reality show on Netflix. Bringing the 'sport' to the masses.
One of my best friends works in digital effects post-production at the legendary Industrial Light & Magic and categorically states the audio was modified 💯
Hoban got so robbed. Kicky back nose blunt v heel flip back tail and front blunt v front feeble at walnut. But Hoban got bs Smith on walnut possibly. Maybe Toty and soty both
lamos won because he already won once before - imho. both tricks were nuts - but getting in into a kickflip fs blunt on a 16 stair rail, flipping in, slide and get out with style is just on a different level.
i think the reason tiago won is becase it's probobly the most fucked up thing on that spot but kick flip front blunt down the 16 is not the most insane trick down the rail.
This comment is spot on, Hollywood 16 is quite saturated, and we can think of some tricks with similar difficulty as Felipe's down there (I know it is subjective): - Tre flip lip by Lucas - Kickflip FS nosegrind by Domo - Fakie five-O by Foy
@@igomk so because some people skated its tainted? Tiago basically had zero injury risk at his ledge spot. Could've tried that a million times without injury. Where a huge rail could be doom
@@YouilAushana it’s not it’s tainted, it’s just been destroyed, you can argue that Kickflip blunt wasn’t even the best trick done in the rail this year, but Tiagos, Hobans, Cordanos & Gabbers tricks where all the best done in the spot they skated
@@YouilAushana injury risk is about the only 1up Felipe has in this situation. KF front blunts on rails in general are done all the time, especially on flat rails. SW back noseblunts by themselves, on anything, are extremely difficult. Poping one almost 4' high and sliding it over 10' is damn near impossible. Sure Felipes trick is scary AF, but there are DEFINITELY pros out there with the skill to do that trick at that spot. Just a matter of having the balls. As far as Tiagos trick, I dont think i could name one person that could do that.
poor Filipe, that kid has come so far from being a new addition to the erase team. I'm so happy to see him come far. Hope that his career goes even further one of my fav skaters
There’s glass tiles up top… maybe that’s where the sound came from. But regardless, yeah they probably did audio editing for the vid to make it precise and eliminate road noise.
You are completely right about the audio sounding unnatural. Its either dubbed on top or what they did is cut out some frequencies of the song at that point to make the slide sound come through better (frequency sidechaining)
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180 fakie 5-0 front heel is 100 times more original than the other tricks and so difficult you probably won't see another one done for years ! That was trick of the year for me. A trick that I couldn't even conceive before seeing it, I think that's comparable when I seen Rodney Mullen pull off a Casper slide in a plan B video.
Very well said. No disrespect to Tiago, but Mota's kickflip front blunt couldn't have been done any better and thats a GNARLY spot and trick for that spot. Not saying Tiago didn't deserve it but I understand what you are saying for sure.
I blame it on all the jealous, old heads at the top still living in the 80s and 90s. I just watched a 7 year old Japanese kid do a 3 trick line where every trick was a trick of the year contender.
@@GERBOY90 bro did you see uneven? My man. Deedz 50 gap 50 is death defying. Gnarlier than ogradys. Not taking anything away from him or walker. They did it first, fo sho. Deedz's is absolutely insane.
That's because he's Brazilian!!! Brazilians can never win. There's always something wrong with it if it's not a European or a Japanese or an American who wins! The question is... which other skater is capable of doing this SS BS nose blunt? f you man !!!!
Daan and Cordano had my two favorite tricks, by far, out of this group. Seeing both of those for the first time left me feeling awestruck. It's such a shame that Cordano's trick wasn't filmed properly.
7.8 for what is arguably the best trick ever done in street league, that no one else has ever done in street league, is STRAIGHT UP why I stopped watching that shit.
I believe that a switch backside noseblunt on that height and length demands much more experience and is therefore much harder than a flip frontside blunt on HH. Its easier to go down something than up. Flip frontside blunt doesn’t require as much technique, but you need more guts since there’s more risk involved skating HH. So, between the two tricks, I would absolutely choose the switch backside noseblunt as well, because far fewer people would even have the potential to land it. I find it a bit hard to see how someone could not see that, but that’s just my perspective. Skating is subjective. Nothing is right or wrong, I guess. Great video!
Many, many big skate videos have used "fake" or modified skate sounds since the transition to HD from VX. We all became accustomed to the immaculate sounds of the VX mic, and it's very hard to replicate. I've heard several filmmakers mention this over the years but it usually seems to fly under the radar. (Idk if it's still around but the "wooden VX mic" video is the best source I can cite)
IMO, most judges have been around skateboarding for decades. And even though Felipe's catch and landing were amazing, they have seen this trick way too much at this point. It's like when nollie flip crooks were the bomb and eventually became stale. Knowing people in the industry, some of them are purposefully trying to push skateboarding in a different direction, but honestly, I'd still go with the kickflip bluntslide.
Well we've seen Tiago do tall ledge tricks like this his entire career. There's a massive difference in how dangerous the two tricks are, with Tiago's essential having no danger. That's a big reason I'd say Mota's is higher "difficulty" because you can try a tall tech ledge trick for a month straight and never hurt yourself. Mota's trick was also done to perfection, Tiago's was done well too but not pinpoint like Mota's. Absurd judging imo
@@mclarensaleenf7 As I said, they're doing it on purpose. Pushing it toward a more "artistic" performance than a dangerous one. There's a Brazilian event in the making that will target exactly that.
I dont think mota got robbed but i do think the runner up should get paid too because honestly tiago’s trick is not only rare to see but insanely tech if you think about how difficult a regular back noseblunt is.
Your details are so precise it's hard not to follow your thoughts...Felipe clearly got robbed 😮 You're probably right for the enhanced soundtrack, but the double high-ledge-swbs should have been considered as an originality failure 😮
@@fredericsalvan7481 explain how he clearly got robbed? I’m sick of hearing about this as a robbery, a bigger flip boardslide was done down the 16 and nobody talks about it. The 16 isn’t as gnarly as it used to be, it’s been destroyed. Hoban blunt down walnut is more gnarly, same with Gabbers and if we are talking creativity then Cordanos fakie blunt to lip on a giant handrail is something we have never seen before. I havnt seen anybody make the case Mota winning this.
I honestly believe, as someone with no experience in either tricks regular let alone switch, that a switch back noseblunt on that high of a ledge is more difficult to do as properly as Tiego did it. But that doesn't mean Felipe's wasn't still technical but it was more dangerous than anything else. Either way, judging criteria a huge factor. Audio was definietly manipulated, hard to tell if it was more than just effects in the mix orrr how much added audio. But it was more marketable fsfs
I think the major factor is much simpler: Tiago got it because he was many people’s SOTY pick or their #2, so this was a kind of conciliation prize and recognition of his accomplishments.
Injury risk is about the only 1up Felipe has in this situation. KF front blunts on rails in general are done all the time, especially on flat rails. SW back noseblunts by themselves, on anything, are extremely difficult. Poping one almost 4' high and sliding it over 10' is damn near impossible. Sure Felipes trick is scary AF, but there are DEFINITELY pros out there with the skill to do that trick at that spot. Just a matter of having the balls. As far as Tiagos trick, I dont think i could name one person that could do that.
def won it for filming, like when i watched it on the ig i thought sls added the music to make it sound like the winning clip. then realized nope, that was just how the clip was
Great video! I don’t think they added audio to the Thiago clip though, those ledges are tiled through the middle where his wheels would be sliding. They probably boosted the audio tho
I don’t think it’s fair comparing a regular backside noseblunt to a switch one. You also see hundreds of kick flip front blunts. And we’ve seen Filipe do hundreds of them. So I think that had a toll on his ability to win. Not downplaying how sick it was. I do feel sls is harsh on him for no reason, but it’s a trick he’s known to do a lot. Even in contests. You said this about Dashawn and his up board slide. Same thing should go for Filipe. As far as the dubbing of sounds into the clip. This has actually been happening in skate videos for decades. Back in the old trans world video days they were dubbing pop and slide sounds into the videos. So it’s actually pretty common.
I think the best way to judge this contest would be to ask yourself which trick would you rather do for 10k. Maybe the kf blunt is easier but if you bail your gonna spend 10k in medical bills
10:21 “a factor to consider is how they looked before and after doing their tricks”?? That is a full load of 🐂💩 One guy is skating a tall ledge on flat, the other is trying a flip in trick on a 16 star handrail, a flip in trick that for a reason hasn’t been done much untill now. That take Dumbdata, was really dumb.
It was amazing for sure but yea lol big pop got him this twice. I can't fathom how the kicky fs blunt didn't get it. Like a consolation prize for not getting SOTY.
@@twuandixon8675 because if Lemos didn’t get it then Hoban, Cordano or Gabbers where gonna take it. Motas Kickflip blunt wasn’t even the best trick done on the 16 this year and
Tiago shouldn't have even been in the top 5 running imo. Mota, Foy, or that huge nollie tre are what I'd vote over Tiago easily. Still would choose Mota, it'll be the most impactful trick of this year over time, give it a few years and everyone will know Mota's HH trick and nobody will remember Tiago doing a tech ledge trick (which he's done his entire career, judges must have ignored the originality rule entirely)
@@mclarensaleenf7 I don’t know how you can dismiss Tiago so easily then go onto glaze Mota for a trick that wasn’t even the best trick done on that rail this year. Talking about Motas trick impacting skateboarding over time makes no sense, a bigger flip boardslide was done down the same rail and nobody talked about it, Hoban hit a rail most skaters won’t step to and Cordano actually done an innovative NBD on a big handrail. The Mota glaze needs to calm down, if Hoban Kickflip blunts Hollywood high nobody would care, there just seems to be this cult around Mota
@@aikido981 could've done it.... ain't doing it. You ain't in their shoes either. Plus between Andrew Reynolds and Tom Penny they could've done every trick in the world. Just chose not to and didn't have the time. 😮
@@dumbdata34 yeah but the fact nobody has even talked about this trick proves that the Hollywood 16 is cooked, it’s not rail we thought it was in the 90’s and just proves these TOTY competitions are based more so on who does the trick rather than the trick itself. We hear about tricks been attempted at Walnut, that’s the difference.
Since back nose-blunt was already done at that spot, it might be interesting to investigate what "switch" even means when *EVERYTHING* a guy does is switch. Obviously that''s more of a philosophical/semantic question, but you might be able to quantify whether at a certain point the connotation that "switch" is more difficult just ceases to be true. Is there any evidence to suggest Tiago could've done that back nose blunt and back tail regular? Maybe not--but we've all got a trick or two that comes easier switch . . . but what happens if eventually 70, 80, 90 percent of your tricks come easier switch? And you've got more pop switch? And you land switch flip tricks more consistently in SKATE? Maybe at a certain point the foot you popped your first ollie with just isn't the more important factor in determining your stance.
I've been saying this for years, but nobody seems to listen. If you only ever skate "switch," then that isn't switch anymore. It's regular.
Welllll, if you can kick flip front blunt like 75% success rate on a 12 stair
nah bro, there are other reasons
someone makes this argument whenever someone is good switch but it makes no sense. Watch Tiago parts, he is not lacking in either stance. This argument is like saying "when LeBron scores it should only count for 1 point because it's easier for him" and that's just nonsense. If you go down the rabbit hole of penalizing skating to their skillset you're just penalizing people for being good.
@@non_brewed_condiment I think that analogy is backwards: it's more like asking whether basketball players should get *extra* points for shooting with their weak hand, even if they start shooting better with their "weak" hand. This was a clear case of Tiago getting "extra points" for doing a trick "the hard way", since it had already been done the other way and that didn't win trick of the year. I think it's legitimate to ask whether it was, for him, actually "the hard way"--and if there's footage of him doing similar regular tricks on equivalently tall spots, then hey, I'm proven wrong just like that. (Which is why I wouldn't make this argument for just *anyone* who's good switch.) But I rewatched three of his parts before making this comment and the only really high grinds/slides I found that weren't switch or nollie were crooked grinds--which I think we can agree are much easier to get up on something high than a back tail or nose blunt.
Bigspin hurricane got a 7.8?!?!?! Yeah that's fukin robbery!
I'm Brazilian and Felipe's coach is from my hometown, but that landing was way too sloppy
@@gambarusso judges know better with these super advanced tricks to a less than prefect landing. _robbed!_
"That was a straight up 9!"
they judged it as a mistake, as lucky, if he was trying to bigsping frontboard.
That was ABSOLUTELY a 9. I've been both skateboarding and a huge skateboarding fan for almost 25 years, and there is no question it was underscored.
I genuinely can’t figure out why SLS doesn’t like Filipe Mota, it’s been so obvious by the judging for years.
Right? His trick selection, creativity, consistency and style youd think hed be their golden boy
Exactly bro
He’s young he’s gona be the face of sls in a few years. Imo they’re tryna ride out the riders they use now till felipe ready
He's his own worst enemy in SLS. He boxes himself into a corner with his trick selection, almost always leaving himself needing several bangers in a row just to move on. He also does a lot of the same or similar tricks from runs to singles, which hurts his scoring. He's the only guy I've seen get a zero for a landed trick by doing the exact same trick twice. He needs a manager to help him strategize like Nyjah / Rayssa do
That shit literally could not have been done better … absolutely criminal that he didn’t win.
Mota’s kick front blunt is arguably one of the best done tricks ever. It’s perfect. He pops it crazy high, the flick/catch is so good and he just lays the blunt on there and pops out perfectly. Style was soooo good too. It’d be near impossible to find a trick as hard as his done so well. We witness robbery in broad day light.
A trick we've seen done for years, on a bigger rail vs a trick almost no one does, on a 3' high, 12' long ledge. Fakie flip switch front feeble was more impressive, nbd. Keep up weiner.
@@johnmeehan7884 Filipe should have won on style alone, not even taking into account trick difficulty. He was robbed, that was 100% the real trick of the year!
@@johnmeehan7884u weird.
I wouldn’t even say it’s that stylized, he did it just really well but what style does he have? It’s clean but is clean a style or just a way of doing it?
I would hate to be a judge for this contest😖 also thanks for the shoutout at the end bro!😆
You got hammers all day, every day man ❤️
Wouldn't be so bad if they gave us the option to actual vote for the trick, say the polls are open all December, then come new years eve the most popular vote from the skateboarding community wins
What if they did best ledge, best handrail, best gap trick etc?
@@gregsweet4303 you can easily write a bot if it's open too long. Maybe ai could do it 😅
Best double flip variations all day ❤
Gabbers drop to heelflip crook did it for me this year
mota got robbed
Like always sadly
Robbed is strong. I thought Cordano had the trick of the year, never seen anything like it on a handrail
Lemos trick was harder, deserved.
Fools been doing flip front blunts on rails for years. They haven't been switch back noseblunting 3' high, 12' long ledges for years. Keep up, weiner.
@@bewatermyfriend7355i think if they chose lemos they should have gone with the sw bs noseblunt flip out on the table.
the ninja lifestyle t funk line was perfect
In a few yrs I think kickflip fs blunt will be the trick I remember from 2024
I know! 😅 Tiago could've tried that a million times with countless returns from basically zero risk of injury. Imagine going for a 3rd attempt or beyond at HH 16.
@@YouilAushana dude a bigger flip boardslide was done down the 16 and nobody cares about it, there seems to 16 isn’t as gnarly as it used to be. And if Gnarly is what you are judging on them Hobans Blunt wins
Not even the gnarliest trick done at that spot is my argument, there are plenty of harder tricks done at that spot, nothing has been done that is more difficult at tiagos spot
@@rxmink tiagos spot is a tall ledge... its cool but it's nowhere near hollywood 16
@@GERBOY90 that *bigflip* boardslide was years ago and they are both equally difficult and different tricks. mota's was flawless too. couldn't have been any better
Wait Filipe Mota DIDN'T win Trick of the Year with that Kickflip Front Blunt down Hollywood High.. WTF? Mota deserved that (It takes a whole different level of commitment & skill to pull that off & He did it PERFECTLY!) That's such BS
At least it wasn't a ride on grind.
@@benmcreynolds8581 dude, it wasn’t trick of the year, a bigger flip boardslide was done on that rail this year which tells you that Hollywood 16 isn’t the beast it once was. If you wanna talk about commitment then Hobans blunt on walnut takes it and honestly if kickfliped blunted the 16 nobody would care, there seems to be this cult of Mota at the moment pushing his skating hard.
But Cordano deserved to win, an actual insane NBA done down a huge rail.
@@GERBOY90A bigger flip board going down HH means nothing. Moto's flip front blunt is a significantly more difficult trick and probs the most difficult rail trick done at HH. It's always been a notorious spot and it's way more dangerous and heavy than Tiago's usual tall ledge skating. Crazy to me Tiago has two tricks of the year doing a switch bs slide on a tall ledge. Why do they have originality as a judging point when it's completely ignored??
I have similar issues with SOTY and SLS judging. SLS seems to rarely or only slightly dock repetitive tricks. It's noticeable with Gustavo Ribeiro and Yuto spamming nollie spin lipslides. Some skaters stick to skating all regs in their lines and don't get docked. Then you have the top dudes (especially Nyjah) who's runs and single tricks are packed with 3-4 different stances. One should be getting higher scoring but I don't see it much. There needs to be some docking for repetitive stance and spin direction. Another example is Giovanna doing mostly cab lipslides spinning the same direction. The second one of same stance and rotation should obviously be docked but it never is. Yuto plays this to his advantage a lot with his same nollie bs to slide tricks.
@@mclarensaleenf7 in what world is a Kickflip blunt harder than a bigger flip boardslide? We’ve been seen Kickflip blunts on handrails for over 20years with Shane O’Neil doing it switch, why havnt we seen bigger flip boardslide done many times over 20years?
If originality is your sticking point then you should be pushing Cordano who actually did an original trick on a huge handrail that nobody has done. And going it repetitive tricks, Mota is guilty of this also, we’ve been seen him do Kickflip blunts for years along with his hurricane variations, you just seem to be really nitpicking here. Gabbers and Hoban was Gnarlier, Foys was more tech and an NBD and Cordanos was gnarly, more original, an NBD and way more innovative. I don’t Lemos should have won but Mota should not have won either
@@GERBOY90what?🤣 in the real real a flip fs blunt is way better
That might be the best trick Felipe does in his life. While Tiago will have plenty of other high ledge tricks, he does them all the time
The sound on tiagos noseblunt is from the tiles on top!
Daan should’ve won, that’s some shit I’ve never seen before
If you just kiss the ledge like that. It's could be pure luck.
@@YouilAushanaif you’ve watched any of Daan’s footage you would know it isn’t luck.
Straight up. Daan has legitimately been a contender for the best skateboarder alive for so long now and he never gets any credit for it. He’s not just suciu level tech, he’s fucking gnarly. Oh and why is he on anti hero? Because he’s cracked at transition skating too.
Felipe’s trick was hard and he did it effortlessly but to be honest, it’s just him doing a contest trick he always does at a street spot. Daan’s shit is unprecedented.
This is what happens when Dana White buys you out
The real winner? Skateboarding fans getting to see this progression. Unbelievable…
He’s gettin that Nyjah treatment
It's always a popularity contest 😅 since the beginning of time
@@tysteazyy8741 your acting like his trick was the clear winner, I had Cordano and Hoban ahead of it
@@YouilAushanaor a who pays thrasher/sls more money for more exposure haha
@@GERBOY90you’re right but those low contest scores Felipe gets is not right
That backflip blunt to fakie should of won
Skateboarding isn’t meant to be judged which makes it naturally a debate too. It’s too objective, like art….good video, love the insight
coming at the obstacle (switch back noseblunt) straight-on dilutes the difficulty to some degree. hope that makes sense.
Both tricks are sick, I like the flip front blunt way more and I think that not taking the danger into account is a poor excuse to give the award to the superstar. Every single Milton TOTY is because of the danger factor, if it was not dangerous 200 other skaters would do his two tricks.
@@heyman620 if we take danger into account then Hoban or Gabbers wins, a bigger flip boardslide was done on the 16 this year and nobody talked about which proves the 16 isn’t what it used to be
I definitely agree. Mota’s was dope and I’d pick all day over tiago’s, but there was a lot of dope skating done this year and it just seems crazy to me that a switch Fs nose blunt on 3 1/2ft ledge would win.
@@wolfpecker5710 bs..... well, Tiago's on the trasher magazine cover, toty or soty winners got scored a lot for what they did for trasher. (Gary said) so maybe that's the crucial point!
filipe got robbed in my opinion. The fact you showed me the regular back blunt on the same ledge was the point for me
He did a _front blunt._ It's designated by which side (front side or back side) the obstacle is oriented on you when you pop. In this case it was oriented towards his _front side._
@@nikey373 dude a bigger flip boardslide was done down the Hollywood 16 and nobody cares, the rail isn’t as insane as it once was. If Hoban kickflip blunts the 16 nobody cares aswell, there seems to be a cult around Mota
Do you mean the back noseblunt on the same ledge by Tyshawn?
@@nikey373 it was switch and Mota didn’t get robbed, Cordanos was more original, more gnarly and an NBD.
Definitely, but who the hell cries after landing a trick? That's cringe
I think Tiago's trick won because I can think of a few other people who could do a kickflip front blunt on Hollywood high, but can't think of many other people, if any at all, that could do a switch back noseblunt at that spot. That plus the crustyness of the ledge and the fact that the spot is iconic sealed the win
If they can kf fs blunt it they would’ve by now!
How is HH not an iconic spot?
@@dumbdata34 it is iconic! it's just that it's oversaturated. I also don't think it's true that "if they could do it, they'd have already done it". Plenty of rail chompers could do it. Tiago won because he is the only person on the planet that can do that trick at that spot.
LOL, some skaters can probably (?) do both tricks (Tyshawn Jones can probably do Tiago's trick for example, he did it regular, but maybe not because it is switch, not sure, I am also not sure who can flip front blunt Hollywood 16), but the flip front blunt was way cooler and had a crazy WOW effect. A few people can also 50-50 like Kyle Walker.
@@dumbdata34 exactly. theres a lot of people that "could" fs lip the rail milton did but theres a reason you havent seen other people do it.
I think the jumping up to a high ledge gets played out because it’s kinda like….a really tall basketball player being great because they are just…really really tall lol. Like obviously they are both professional and very skilled, but when that’s always the shining attribute of the trick it’s kinda like….well ok, we get it you can jump lol.
My biggest issue with this is that the whole epitome of skating switch is being ambidextrous, you want to prove you’re so good at skating you can completely mirror image a trick. When you watch a Tiago part he does so much more switch and nollie tricks than regular, switch is honestly losing its meaning. So when that’s the case and you do a trick that’s already been done regular, you don’t prove you can do it regular I don’t think you should win when there’s been this many insane tricks done this year. Tiago has made it look like high pop backside slides are easier for him to do switch over the years, you can’t deny that, similarly to the way frontside big spins are easier for a lot of people to do switch. I say this, if Tiago can prove he can do that both ways…. Fine he can have it, otherwise give the hungry young gun his cake.
only someone who cant switch flip would say this lmao
@@kojhujonly someone who doesn’t understand the definition of “ambidextrous” would say what you said.
@@kojhuj so if you learn switch flips then stop doing regular flips what’s the point of switch? I don’t get it
That's right. Some tricks are easier in switch position.
This is very well put dude. Respectful but honest. When I was younger, I skated with a guy who rode regular but did 90% of his tricks “switch” in goofy. I would argue that it was his predominant stance if not, as you say, he was ambidextrous.
I’ve been away from skating for a while now but have been keeping an eye from a distance. This year I’ve seen some CRAZY tricks. For a nearly 40 year old man, some of the things being done these days are mind bending. I was a little surprised to see this win trick of the year as i just don’t see how it beats out the insane things being done.
Anybody that judges skating flat ledges higher over stairs and rails is out of their mind.
That ain’t no flat ledge that’s a damn wall and he’s not wall riding into it
Hey, don’t say that’s ninjas favorite skate or I’ll sue you!
That is Ninja's favorite, he cosplays as him
ninja just dropped a new part yesterday, wrote a new song for it... check it out
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9:53 your investigating skills are next level.
There’s tiles on top of the ledges there
@@ao1309if it’s the actual sound there is no way it’s that loud in slo mo. The point is that it was edited to enhance the clip.
He did not pop over the ledge with That bs noseblunt, he went straight at it:( womp womp…
politics in skateboarding at its worst, sorry Felipe, you should’ve won no doubt.
I'd love to see a statistics video about King of the Road. I know it has not been on air in a while, but I think there is interesting inference that can be done concerning the data... I am thinking points etc:)
this is a good idea, i back this.
They have been doing the regular kotr tapes from thrasher since 2000. That vice reality show was a banger. Like that F1 reality show on Netflix. Bringing the 'sport' to the masses.
do it
bro said indubitably
Does he say it in every video?
That Pier Ledge is iconic and gnarly to do anything on just alone, but Mota deserved the win!
@@KoyukiRei Codanos and Hoban were ahead of Mota.
Mota is so fucking sick man! Once he is an adult idk what crazy shit he is going to pullout in the future.
Dam Ian even notice u dropped a vid on this today too 😂😂 glad to see we both somewhat agree though 💯
I think we can all agree that everyone’s just lucky Milton didn’t go balls out this year. 😂
Hoban got robbed and shadowbanned. Skateboarding is hard not like a video game with skater perfect and injuries aren't real.
One of my best friends works in digital effects post-production at the legendary Industrial Light & Magic and categorically states the audio was modified 💯
"ninjalifestyle favorite skateboarder" lmao nailed it
Hobans front blunt and Gabbers 5050 curved were my favorites
Hoban got so robbed. Kicky back nose blunt v heel flip back tail and front blunt v front feeble at walnut. But Hoban got bs Smith on walnut possibly. Maybe Toty and soty both
Sounded like he was rolling on bricks durin that blunt
The top is made of glass blocks with wide gaps in between.
lamos won because he already won once before - imho. both tricks were nuts - but getting in into a kickflip fs blunt on a 16 stair rail, flipping in, slide and get out with style is just on a different level.
Skateboarding definitely ain't the Nobel prize but kinda better 😅
I am glad that the sw bs nbs won. Very crusty. Love it.
Idk why but the capitalization part had me rolling lol great stuff as usual!
I thought the same thing, Jeff shoulda got it
And harder tricks have already been done at hollywood, switch back noseblunt is undeniably the hardest trick done at that spot
What’s harder than a kickflip front blunt to regs? Tre front board and tre lip are much easier
@thatsHECKAtight half cab back smith
@@rxmink that wasn’t this year lol
@@thatsHECKAtightif it wasn’t this year then that means the 16 has been conquered years ago
@@thatsHECKAtight I know, all I'm saying is no way a trick that isn't even the hardest trick done on the spot is toty
Sponsors shoes sales had a big role in it im sure.
True New balance was all over and Emerica was running on fumes in the van.
Editors using extra skate sounds to enhance a clip is not something I’ve ever considered before
Great video. I also thought Mota had the trick of the year.
i think the reason tiago won is becase it's probobly the most fucked up thing on that spot but kick flip front blunt down the 16 is not the most insane trick down the rail.
I like this reasoning here.
This comment is spot on, Hollywood 16 is quite saturated, and we can think of some tricks with similar difficulty as Felipe's down there (I know it is subjective):
- Tre flip lip by Lucas
- Kickflip FS nosegrind by Domo
- Fakie five-O by Foy
@@igomk so because some people skated its tainted? Tiago basically had zero injury risk at his ledge spot. Could've tried that a million times without injury. Where a huge rail could be doom
@@YouilAushana it’s not it’s tainted, it’s just been destroyed, you can argue that Kickflip blunt wasn’t even the best trick done in the rail this year, but Tiagos, Hobans, Cordanos & Gabbers tricks where all the best done in the spot they skated
@@YouilAushana injury risk is about the only 1up Felipe has in this situation. KF front blunts on rails in general are done all the time, especially on flat rails. SW back noseblunts by themselves, on anything, are extremely difficult. Poping one almost 4' high and sliding it over 10' is damn near impossible. Sure Felipes trick is scary AF, but there are DEFINITELY pros out there with the skill to do that trick at that spot. Just a matter of having the balls. As far as Tiagos trick, I dont think i could name one person that could do that.
We got a mention that Jake Johnson kick flip front tail that same San Francisco ledge a decade ago.
I feel like Durao should’ve won that nollie tre was nuts all around the spot, the style, and the filming were perfect in my opinion
That switch back noseblunt was insane, I think well deserved. I would say that if Mota won, that would have been well deserved too.
Free felipe
poor Filipe, that kid has come so far from being a new addition to the erase team. I'm so happy to see him come far. Hope that his career goes even further one of my fav skaters
There’s glass tiles up top… maybe that’s where the sound came from. But regardless, yeah they probably did audio editing for the vid to make it precise and eliminate road noise.
You are completely right about the audio sounding unnatural. Its either dubbed on top or what they did is cut out some frequencies of the song at that point to make the slide sound come through better (frequency sidechaining)
can’t relay the way I appreciate this channel. I work in sports business, graduated UF with Marketing & Data / Analytics focus. I love skateboarding above all. The depth of detailed understanding or review you provide through numbers is something never done before. I truly believe skateboarding is the most under appreciated and UNDER PAID category in any aspect of entertainment, especially sports. while skateboarding has more to give the world than ever, big brands are still backing out. I’d love for you to begin thinking off the board for future videos to give insight into the back end operations and money for the industry. Bless
180 fakie 5-0 front heel is 100 times more original than the other tricks and so difficult you probably won't see another one done for years ! That was trick of the year for me. A trick that I couldn't even conceive before seeing it, I think that's comparable when I seen Rodney Mullen pull off a Casper slide in a plan B video.
Very well said. No disrespect to Tiago, but Mota's kickflip front blunt couldn't have been done any better and thats a GNARLY spot and trick for that spot. Not saying Tiago didn't deserve it but I understand what you are saying for sure.
I blame it on all the jealous, old heads at the top still living in the 80s and 90s. I just watched a 7 year old Japanese kid do a 3 trick line where every trick was a trick of the year contender.
Fakie tre up the stage is wild, that's like 2 and a half feet high.
yeah that deserved it imo that year. that manny is still insane today
3+ feet
@ 6:20 you’re gonna tell me a sw back tail is harder to do than a mf SW BACK NOSEBLUNT?!?!?! NAHHHHH SON FOH
😂😂😂Haha the burn at the end!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 👏🏼….. chef’s kiss!👌🏼
Great video. Thorough and well done. Long time Filipe Mota fan and my choice for the win
There was no doubt in my mind that the kick front blunt was gonna win. He was robbed.
1000% agree with audio editing.
2025 fully AI SLS will be insane lol
Switch back noseblunt takes the cake. Hands down
We need to call out shitty filming more often, i blame all skates problems on the lazy filmer and the" skate face shoe" filmer
You know most filmers aren’t paid!
@@kennymartes What!? thats why so bad...
Dude deedz enormous 5050 gap 5050 on that reddiculously steep rail should have won. It was infinitely gnarlier than Kyle walkers. Deedz FTW!!
did he submited? I heard they dont scrap the internet the clip need to be submited
@@ponyboycurtisx Jack O’Gradys 50 gap 50 was way better and if we are going gnarly then Hobans blunt on walnut beats it
@@GERBOY90 bro did you see uneven? My man. Deedz 50 gap 50 is death defying. Gnarlier than ogradys. Not taking anything away from him or walker. They did it first, fo sho. Deedz's is absolutely insane.
That's because he's Brazilian!!! Brazilians can never win. There's always something wrong with it if it's not a European or a Japanese or an American who wins! The question is... which other skater is capable of doing this SS BS nose blunt? f
you man !!!!
Daan and Cordano had my two favorite tricks, by far, out of this group. Seeing both of those for the first time left me feeling awestruck. It's such a shame that Cordano's trick wasn't filmed properly.
Bruh Felipe is the next gen he will be a big name in skateboarding forsure
Na he'll get lost in the Instagram sauce and these crazy Japanese kids
7.8 for what is arguably the best trick ever done in street league, that no one else has ever done in street league, is STRAIGHT UP why I stopped watching that shit.
I believe that a switch backside noseblunt on that height and length demands much more experience and is therefore much harder than a flip frontside blunt on HH. Its easier to go down something than up. Flip frontside blunt doesn’t require as much technique, but you need more guts since there’s more risk involved skating HH.
So, between the two tricks, I would absolutely choose the switch backside noseblunt as well, because far fewer people would even have the potential to land it. I find it a bit hard to see how someone could not see that, but that’s just my perspective. Skating is subjective. Nothing is right or wrong, I guess. Great video!
I’m pretty sure there’s like tiles or something on top of that ledge Tiago blunted that’s what the sound was
Many, many big skate videos have used "fake" or modified skate sounds since the transition to HD from VX. We all became accustomed to the immaculate sounds of the VX mic, and it's very hard to replicate. I've heard several filmmakers mention this over the years but it usually seems to fly under the radar. (Idk if it's still around but the "wooden VX mic" video is the best source I can cite)
The switch back nose blunt is 100% infinitely better than the plain sw back nose blunt fr
3:32 funny enough, that’s my train station
Nice
What stop is it? He could really fall in and get hit by a train?
5:40 indubitably
IMO, most judges have been around skateboarding for decades. And even though Felipe's catch and landing were amazing, they have seen this trick way too much at this point. It's like when nollie flip crooks were the bomb and eventually became stale. Knowing people in the industry, some of them are purposefully trying to push skateboarding in a different direction, but honestly, I'd still go with the kickflip bluntslide.
Well we've seen Tiago do tall ledge tricks like this his entire career. There's a massive difference in how dangerous the two tricks are, with Tiago's essential having no danger. That's a big reason I'd say Mota's is higher "difficulty" because you can try a tall tech ledge trick for a month straight and never hurt yourself. Mota's trick was also done to perfection, Tiago's was done well too but not pinpoint like Mota's. Absurd judging imo
@@mclarensaleenf7 As I said, they're doing it on purpose. Pushing it toward a more "artistic" performance than a dangerous one. There's a Brazilian event in the making that will target exactly that.
I dont think mota got robbed but i do think the runner up should get paid too because honestly tiago’s trick is not only rare to see but insanely tech if you think about how difficult a regular back noseblunt is.
Your details are so precise it's hard not to follow your thoughts...Felipe clearly got robbed 😮
You're probably right for the enhanced soundtrack, but the double high-ledge-swbs should have been considered as an originality failure 😮
@@fredericsalvan7481 explain how he clearly got robbed? I’m sick of hearing about this as a robbery, a bigger flip boardslide was done down the 16 and nobody talks about it. The 16 isn’t as gnarly as it used to be, it’s been destroyed. Hoban blunt down walnut is more gnarly, same with Gabbers and if we are talking creativity then Cordanos fakie blunt to lip on a giant handrail is something we have never seen before. I havnt seen anybody make the case Mota winning this.
Let's say Felipe didn't get robbed, but Tiago got overpayed for the same type of trick as last year. Dumb data explains it better than me 😂@@GERBOY90
The tre double down hollywood 12 was nuts! Definitely shoulda gotten more recognition.
I honestly believe, as someone with no experience in either tricks regular let alone switch, that a switch back noseblunt on that high of a ledge is more difficult to do as properly as Tiego did it. But that doesn't mean Felipe's wasn't still technical but it was more dangerous than anything else. Either way, judging criteria a huge factor. Audio was definietly manipulated, hard to tell if it was more than just effects in the mix orrr how much added audio. But it was more marketable fsfs
And how many stairs have you fallen down? ..... and on a skateboard?? 😮
Am i the only one thinking Gabriel Summers got robbed on SOTY and TOTY!? His part is insane and the 40+ stairs curved rail 5050 was nuts!!
Personally, I think the guy that did a backflip to blunt deserved trick of the year. But even so, agree that this years winner was not the best.
I think the major factor is much simpler: Tiago got it because he was many people’s SOTY pick or their #2, so this was a kind of conciliation prize and recognition of his accomplishments.
Injury risk is about the only 1up Felipe has in this situation. KF front blunts on rails in general are done all the time, especially on flat rails. SW back noseblunts by themselves, on anything, are extremely difficult. Poping one almost 4' high and sliding it over 10' is damn near impossible. Sure Felipes trick is scary AF, but there are DEFINITELY pros out there with the skill to do that trick at that spot. Just a matter of having the balls. As far as Tiagos trick, I dont think i could name one person that could do that.
Jagger Eaton
def won it for filming, like when i watched it on the ig i thought sls added the music to make it sound like the winning clip. then realized nope, that was just how the clip was
Great video! I don’t think they added audio to the Thiago clip though, those ledges are tiled through the middle where his wheels would be sliding. They probably boosted the audio tho
I used to live in the city and Tiago’s trick was nasty. If you walk by those ledges it appears they must be for bmx. But mota should have would imo.
You and NinjaLifestyle doing a dual commentary with this type of analyzation would be amazing.
Still all super sick tho
hard to decide man
I don’t think it’s fair comparing a regular backside noseblunt to a switch one. You also see hundreds of kick flip front blunts. And we’ve seen Filipe do hundreds of them. So I think that had a toll on his ability to win. Not downplaying how sick it was. I do feel sls is harsh on him for no reason, but it’s a trick he’s known to do a lot. Even in contests. You said this about Dashawn and his up board slide. Same thing should go for Filipe. As far as the dubbing of sounds into the clip. This has actually been happening in skate videos for decades. Back in the old trans world video days they were dubbing pop and slide sounds into the videos. So it’s actually pretty common.
I think the best way to judge this contest would be to ask yourself which trick would you rather do for 10k. Maybe the kf blunt is easier but if you bail your gonna spend 10k in medical bills
True Tiago could've gone back tons of times with millions of attempts of years with virtually no risk. At that point its inevitable to land the trick.
@@colinredwood I guess Gabbers and Hoban don’t get taking into consideration here?
@@GERBOY90 they all do I was just using Mota as the example
@@GERBOY90 I personally think cordano did the best trick
@@YouilAushanaand? Felipe could have a million tries and never be able to pop up on that ledge.
That switch noseblunt was absolutely insane, but Mota should have won this award.
Why should Mota have won? He kickflip blunts a real that has been destroyed already on multiple occasions in 2024 alone, Cordano or Hoban before mota
Something nobody seems to be pointing out. Tiago also hit the ledge straight on, which is easier for bluntslide tricks. Still impressive
10:21 “a factor to consider is how they looked before and after doing their tricks”??
That is a full load of 🐂💩
One guy is skating a tall ledge on flat, the other is trying a flip in trick on a 16 star handrail, a flip in trick that for a reason hasn’t been done much untill now.
That take Dumbdata, was really dumb.
Hows this dude not know about Bay Blocks iconic status
It was amazing for sure but yea lol big pop got him this twice. I can't fathom how the kicky fs blunt didn't get it. Like a consolation prize for not getting SOTY.
@@twuandixon8675 because if Lemos didn’t get it then Hoban, Cordano or Gabbers where gonna take it. Motas Kickflip blunt wasn’t even the best trick done on the 16 this year and
@GERBOY90 lol I can't even take you seriously.
@@twuandixon8675 you mean you can’t argue your point, I get it.
Lemos deserved SOTY and the tricks was harder.
@@bewatermyfriend7355 Foy had that in the bag, 25mins of footy with NBD’s in every part. Foy was the clear winner
Tiago shouldn't have even been in the top 5 running imo. Mota, Foy, or that huge nollie tre are what I'd vote over Tiago easily. Still would choose Mota, it'll be the most impactful trick of this year over time, give it a few years and everyone will know Mota's HH trick and nobody will remember Tiago doing a tech ledge trick (which he's done his entire career, judges must have ignored the originality rule entirely)
@@mclarensaleenf7 I don’t know how you can dismiss Tiago so easily then go onto glaze Mota for a trick that wasn’t even the best trick done on that rail this year. Talking about Motas trick impacting skateboarding over time makes no sense, a bigger flip boardslide was done down the same rail and nobody talked about it, Hoban hit a rail most skaters won’t step to and Cordano actually done an innovative NBD on a big handrail. The Mota glaze needs to calm down, if Hoban Kickflip blunts Hollywood high nobody would care, there just seems to be this cult around Mota
The tiles sound
didnt angelo caro did a biggerflip front board on the hollywood 16
Yeah but I’d argue that’s barely different from Jake Ilardi’s big flip fs board a couple years ago
@@dumbdata34 I would say the same about the noseblunt, Tyshawn could of done it too but going to 16 like mota or Angelo is a mental war this is sad
@@aikido981 could've done it.... ain't doing it. You ain't in their shoes either. Plus between Andrew Reynolds and Tom Penny they could've done every trick in the world. Just chose not to and didn't have the time. 😮
@@dumbdata34 yeah but the fact nobody has even talked about this trick proves that the Hollywood 16 is cooked, it’s not rail we thought it was in the 90’s and just proves these TOTY competitions are based more so on who does the trick rather than the trick itself. We hear about tricks been attempted at Walnut, that’s the difference.