In this video I show a deye inverter that I have bought in 2022. Unfortunately some German electricians later discovered that a mandatory relais is missing from the microinverter. Millions of pieces were produced without this relais. The manufacturer lied about it and just left away this important safety part after they got initial approval for this device from the German authorities. So dont get the microinverter from Deye. Get another brand.
To many people discard the solar option because of the expense of a large solar array. These smaller ones won't `power your house' but they can save you money. In times like these every little helps. Good video Lilly
@@jasondelaney527 But even then, by your own admission after five years they would be saving you some money. I doubt the cost of power from the grid is going to come down to the point where you would lose money on the investment.
@moorgunandmarshes no that's not what I said. Even if there is still output, by the time you break Even it's milliwatts on the watt. What I am trying to say is they're dead by the time you receive what you paid for them
These solar panels will fail way before 20 yrs, I have crows that drop rocks on my property from time to time would a direct hit wreck my panel, also snow load and hail storms occasionally will that do any damage? How about 2 weeks of solid rain and clouds how much electricity will be produced?
Hello as others have stated your 375w panel may get you 375 watts at noon on the summer solstice if the panel is at the perfect pitch, the rest of the time it will get considerably less particularly in the winter. I don't want to pour water on your fire for saving money as you will eventually, but it will take longer for the payback to happen. Thanks.
i think she is using an industry standard of 5 hr a day but in the real world that number changes a small amount every day. summer days will have 10 hrs or more and winter will have about 4 so a yearly average of 5 is about right. and as the price of electricity goes up the payback time will shorten so her estimate is conservative if anything. Better to act on a good solution than to wait for a perfect one.........
@@arnoldreiter435 She is also assuming 365 days of sun/suitable light conditions per year and over a 20 year life cycle along with 100% efficiency and no degradation over time and no ongoing maintenance costs and no time value of money. So the payback is probably a much longer period of time.
Solar is extremely expensive and they don't tell you up front that you need a backup battery (of $10,000 or more) in order to be able to use it when the power goes out. We got robbed! Solar system the people who sold it didn't seem to know what they were doing. They didn't put her in enough panels for us to have enough electricity, so we have to pay about $1,000 at the end of the year to pay the extra. We are now paying $330 a month for solar and won't save anything until we pay off the $40,000 loan. I guess my husband was a sucker!
Now you're talking Turkey Lilly. I have seen these Micro Inverters in action and they can turn your meter back if nothing is turned on. I am completely off grid with 350 Watts of solar...My needs are few here in Nevada. I have had my system for the last 10 years, I think it has paid for itself many times over.
@@SurvivalLilly I have no meter. Smart meters are not so smart. I charge right into a battery bank of 2-100Ah Batteries. If I need more power I just get another battery. I run a fridge, a heater (diesel), this computer, LED lights and I charge a phone and several battery packs.
I really like seeing what people are doing with solar. I am putting a small system into a "stealth" camper I am building. (it is an enclosed cargo trailer I am converting to camper). I am installing 720 watts solar panels, a 1000 watt inverter, and 400AH of LIFePo battery, assorted monitoring equipment and a "plug in" charger for either use in a camp ground or with a small generator to help make up for what the solar can't provide. One thing that might help your bill is to look at power "vampires" as I like to call them. If you have a newer TV or anything with LED clock, or a power button that is not actually a physical switch, it is "drinking" a small amount of power all the time to keep circuits alive so it will notice the remote or scan the control buttons or other tasks that you probably don't need all the time. If not using some of these devices for a reasonable time, unplug them and save the small amount it would be wasting . Over a years time it would add up and every little bit helps.
Great Vid Lilly, you show people that they CAN do it! and not break the bank! I really like the way you showed the reasoning for the equipment you purchased, and also showed other options for people to maximize their own power input following the rules. Great choice to have a way to input power to the grid - saving money every day there is sun - and also be able to put energy into your offgrid system, to run a small fridge or recharge your phone for comms. Very practical. Hope you and everyone in the EU stay safe and stay prepared.
Hey Lilly, great work as usual but a bit of a tip.. always have flexible cables loop below the inlets to allow for any condensation to drip off of the cable instead of into the plug or socket. metal sheds are condensate nightmares. conduits should should be always allowed to release water and not pool any moisture inside. easy fixes with your set up.
Excellent presentation Lilly 👍 Very concise and to the point. No Waffling as most YT folks do which can be quite irritating. (no dogs, cats, or banjo playing) I will be implementing your solar panel set up. You talked me into it. 😊
Lilly, I at least learned one thing from you today. Even being in the industry at one point, I now see the use for the newer micro-inverters. I always assumed they needed to be on each panel to do DC to AC conversion. Now I see it's more than that. Thanks.
Thanks, for the video Lilly. You are on the right track, any way to reduce your electricity dependance will be worth it. Don't worry too much about the pay back/return of cost the goal is to not be reliant on others for electricity. Plus doing it yourself you will learn so much more and will be able to work on system. Keep up the good work! Stay Safe & Good Luck
Great video Lilly! I took 2 100w panels I had off my last house and when I moved a year and a half ago I never put them back on my new place. Plus I bought 2 more new ones. I've been doing so many projects I've been procrastinating putting all 4 panels up. But seeing your great cost savings, it's time to get a move on. Thanks for encouraging me! By the way I watched your preview of Naked and Afraid, it looks like crazy fun for sure, and your in such great shape and cute as can be too! Keep the videos coming. Captain Ron from Sunny Arizona 🌄🌴🌵
Turn your car into a power source for the house, Put a flexible solar panel on your car with 2 LifePO4 12v 100 ah batteries in your car and cable to your house when parked…charge while you drive or while the car is parked in the sun…Just a thought…
That's quite a jump in price for you, even with your old contract. Thanks for sharing how to calculate cost savings for using solar system, and payback time. It's good for everyone to know where to find their electricity cost, and be able to calculate usage costs and savings for themselves. Thank you, Lilly, for this valuable information.
Some electric companies post the hourly rate in the actual hour, so you can turn off and on your appliance with automation, when the rates are going to go super high, I get a email and or texts messages when the rates are about to go up. The electric companies also give you a projection of the next day's rate after 4 p.m. everyday! I average around $27 dollar a month, less during the warm months, with about $16 to $18 of it being in taxes and fees.So I only use about 10 to 11 dollar a month of actual electricity.
i was going to get one of the mini grid tie inverters but i decided here in the uk we have to many dull days and power cuts. so i spent the money sending extra power my solar system makes straight to a solo socket in the house. now we have a socket in the house that is live from the solar system and works in a power cut :D
Someone correct me if wrong but aren't grit tied inverters usually tied to the grid? When the grid is down then so is the solar output. If inverter would feed the grid when power is out, then it would be dangerous to electricians and equipment. Imagine a scenario with back feeding system when there is no power coming in: Power is supposed to be out. Inverter pushes electricity on system. 230V is converted into thousands of volts in transformers and somewhere, far or near, someone is going to have a bad time. There are inverters that can run appliances and chargers in house when not feeding the grid. There are also inverters that charge batteries, then feed the surplus on grid and work as UPS or uninterruptible power system when the grid is down and work as a stand-alone system 'till the power is back. Both are more expensive though than simple grid tied inverters.
@@mungewell Lilly is aware of this. She explained it in the video. When the grid goes down she will unplug the solar and use it to charge her battery backup systems.
I have 2 sets of 4 panels connected to 2 micro inverters Hoymiles HMS-2000 (price 300 euros) in my garden. Maybe not allowed in Austria but legal in a lot of other countries. I would recommend using a separate electrical group. With 8 panels of 400 Watts you can generate pretty much 3200 kWh or more a year. So the micro-inverters cost 300 euros x 2 and a 400 Watt panel cost about 150 euros: Total cost: 1800 Euros
Good job, I built an off grid system that with rising prices of electricity in South Africa my system will pay for itself in 2 years. We just had a 18 percent increase.
In the USA you can find used panels pretty cheap. 200-300 watt for $60-75 ea. Also make sure your local climate makes sense for solar. Be cautious about small wind generators. Most produce well-below their ratings (not all), and most don't do well in urban environments. That said, there are *some* options if you get more wind than sun...
Here in Florida, to install solar panels, even as simple as your system, it is required to get building permits as well as have the system plans drawn out by a certified solar engineer and then installed by a solar licensed solar contractor. The land of the free is in reality - not so free. The costs of doing all this out weighs the small amount one saves using solar.
not everywhere in Europe , some countries doesn't have as easy process to use solar panels , as well as panels degrade over time, they can get damage with hail storm ( ice showers ) which are often in Europe, as well as get covered with dust and snow and produce a bit less. Still its good mainly to not to relay on a grid , even if you mount up portable solution
Love this. Thank you. I think also you have to consider the efficiency of the conversion and output from the panel. I think more realistically you are getting about 80-85% of the actual wattage too use. But considering the very expensive cost of electricity in Europe it is still a very significant offset of cost. FYI, where I live here in the U.S. my cost per KWh is only $0.10.
You get more than 5 hours of light in summer months. More like 10 on average. I'm in Canada so about the same climate sun wise. Winter is the time to augment your solar with wind power. Tweaking the panel position for maximum light can help too. Monitoring power generation over time can give you a better picture.
Generally don’t count sunrise to sunset time. 5 to six hours is standard as that is when the system is generating new idyll energy. The first and last few hours of sun hardly generate anything. One can use the internet to find the average hours specific to their area that you can use to make more accurate calculations for expected generation
I have self installed panels on my roof since 2005, solar pioneer back in the day, after me the utilities changed the rules so you need licensed installers now where I live😟
just gotta hope the inverter lasts that long... and you stay there long enough to take advantage of the system. But yeah... its not a bad way to knock down the bill a little
None of the system is tied permanently to the house. If she moves, she can take it all with her. One year of savings will more than pay for another inverter down the road.
I use the same set up in my house that I have in my car.. (for camping) It doesn't run my whole house, but it does light it up.. It also charges my phone/two way radios/and all my other rechargeable gadgets..
Hi Lilly, 375 watts is ideal, full sun, no loss in the panel or microinverter, so you need to subtract at least 20 percent from that, realistically probably 50%
Solar and batteries in Austria pretty much inefficient for almost half the year. We are simply trying to mitigate a deeper more troubling agenda by those who believe they have the universal right to govern over your life from cradle-to-grave through macro and micro strategies and even at some point decide if you should live. Bus to utilize these little strategies breakfast, such as having little Bug Out locations solar power stocking up food will simply only act as a mean to postpone that which simply occurs on a historical basis and that is very predictable for those who really understand history. There is nowhere to run, there is nowhere to hide and for as long as we remain silent The Tyranny will only get worse and worse like untreated disease and at some point we will become completely consumed. We are simply addressing the symptoms as if we have inadvertently joined a cult that I have termed as The Cult of symptomatology.
Exactly , all very nice , handy and intresting these gadgets , strategies and plans, But …… As long as people don’t realise their is a war waged against them , by their own gouvernments and act on that , it will not change the outcome ( their demise ) and only postpone it
@@newbeginnings8566 she’s making content and living her life her way. And a cabal of evil secret government officials are waging a war on society? 😂 No simply no. Corporations are to engulfed in profit. And war and death and the loss of consumption are bad for business. War only accounts for a small boost to an economy. As an American I can and have lived through it. But tiny European countries. Cmon. Death and war is bad for business. And what’s bad for business don’t last long.
Thank you for this video. Always love great money saving ideas. Not only does it save you money, but if the grid fails, you'll still have some limited electricity capabilities. 😁👍💞
You need the electricity most in the evenings and mornings when there's no sun, so I don't see the point of this without a battery and that's probably where the most cost is. The best thing about this is getting off-grid, little by little and having back-up for when the grid is down. Still very worthwhile.
You need to find a way to add a second solar panel. Maybe add some rails that extend off the edge. You'll pay it off in half the time (~1.5 years) and double your savings thereafter. The expensive microinverter is non-revenue generating overehead cost so you need to maximize its potential for the best return on your investment. Redo the math with a second panel and you'll see it is worth finding a way to add that second panel.
Good system, I would go for the other panel, and add another battery pack, in the 2000 or 3000 watt hour capacity, that way you have the power to run you important equipment in a grid down, and your up front cost are still reasonable.
Im an electrician and i work in this industry and this is interesting because in the state where i live in Australia they are connecting solar systems up to inverters and meters where they have the capability to turn the solar off whenever they want remotely via the phone network.They say its because so many people have put on solar that theres too much going back into the grid which i have a lot of questions about
From what I understand is the power stations will only take that amount no mater how much line power. That is to say one can have a higher power feed to your station but it will not take more that said amount. (I could be wrong) It sounds like you will save bigger by using that power over feeding it to the grid. You would not be using that power from the grid. If you mounted your panels horizontal you may be able to get a second up.
Hi Lily. You've missed a trick. You should have positioned the shed east-west, and put the panel on a tilt table. That way you get the early morning sun, and can flip the tilt table so that the panels face west in the afternoon and evening. Also, you should,at some point, include a small wind turbine. In fact, you should start with the wind turbine and add the panels afterwards as finances allow. Wind turbines are much cheaper and more productive than solar. Also solves the problem of no/ low sun in winter.
When she gets a second panel she can spin the shed so that one panel gets sun in the morning and the other gets it in the evening. Both will get sun in the mid day. Tilting them to the south will help both be more efficient. It’s not the most efficient layout but she will increase her power by 65-85% over just the one panel as is.
@@inomad1313 Hi Daniel. Yes, but still only at 375w capacity. The tilt table can be designed to be wider than the shed, if necessary, to accommodate both panels, or she could stick with just the one, but greatly increase its "production" time. Facing South, she would generate electricity for about 6 hours, but the tilt table facing east would be double that because you can flip it to face West. I'm in that situation, there's one part of the garden in sunshine for 16 hours of the day in summer. Thanks for your reply.
@@dandycat2204 Hello. Wouldn’t a tilt table be a more complicated and involved build? That seems to defeat the point of this build and video in that her setup, while not optimal, is simple and achievable by many with limited time, finances and skills. Also, unless the tilt table is somehow automated, it would have to be manually moved every day at mid day. This makes the system more maintenance heavy and again defeats the intent of the video. If it is automated, then that adds another level of complexity to the system that may be beyond many in Lilly’s audience. I’m not saying that your suggestion is not a good one. It is. I’m just saying that it does not fit seem on this channel and would likely alienate some of Lilly’s followers. My own system will begin on a shed where the pitch of the roof faces east and west. I will be setting up separate panel groups on each side and using separate inputs into the charge controller. I’ll tilt them to the south rather than leaving them flat on the roof. This system falls between your suggestion and Lilly’s build in complexity but it fits my needs and falls well within my wheelhouse of skills, situation, and requirements. Thank you for this very pleasant conversation. It is one of the most pleasant of all the conversations I’ve had on this video.
I know the area where that setup is gets wind and snow: I'm afraid every level of complexity is a major setback under these conditions. And wind turbines in residential suburbs you'll encounter problems with neighbours in sleepy old Austria...
Straight to the value as always, Much appreciated Lilly. I was about to ask whether you considered adding a battery to the inverter but it looks like you already have a battery in your power station.
I'm simply using a generator.... as the government can not afford to stop transportation, gas prices will escalate less then electrical grid costs. Also, here, if we install solar panels... it has to be done professionally... plus any production exceeding your needs will be fined, or ordered sent to the official grid system
The big question is what's the meter think of exporting ? It probably just ignores it so you'll get nothing for the export . Also the simple headline production figures are normally not what you get . Use real world information collected over a full year then run the numbers . I do like the little setup . Good video thank you .
Here in Australia, we are installing community batteries where individual householders with solar arrays can export solar for later use by others in their community.
My 185 watt panel gives 100 watt max in the middle of the day here in Australia, so i found that the rated amount of watts is never realized even with our perfect conditions
Depends on power companies policies if these can be used, in US they don’t appear to allow this so you have to go with the big systems to attach to grid or configure the system as completely off grid. Some people create a separate shed/office that is off grid, or use an inverter/charger that can take input from the grid when it’s up to charge battery bank/pass-thru, then run that out building off the battery. When the grid goes down they then plug the outbuilding into the main house via generator/transfer switch till the grid comes back. Not as convenient as your setup in Austria but still doable. Some inverters also let you put critical circuits off them and then divvy the power between a grid input and solar/wind/battery input to do peak shaving and other cost cutting tricks but those aren’t for beginners and you’ll probably need an electrician to double check it to make sure you aren’t violating codes.
I think portable power station with portable solar panels would be more usable and better investment. The #1 advantage is portability and #2 easier replacement of the solar panels in case they go bad. I personally would not look at it as a cost saving, because it’s minimal anyway, but rather as a back up system. However, good job for doing what you’re doing and being innovative 👍
If your broke like allot of people seem to be go to santan solar in the usa you can buy used panels for like 40 bucks and they produce around 220watts I bought 30 worked awesome takes allot of space tho
Lilly, I hate to burst your bubbler, but I think that the 375 watts that you are using in your calculations is not the correct number to use. The panel is rated at a nominal power of 375 watts, which is its maximum output at noon on a cloudless day when oriented exactly perpendicular to the sun. You will get significantly less than that (on average) over the course of a day because of the movement of the sun and the angle at which your panels are mounted. I'm hoping that the correction lies in the 5 hours that you use for the length of the exposure per day.
I believe that is the case ... hoping for an average per day over the course of a year. Some days might get 12 hours, some only 1 or none. 5hr is a good optimistic number to shoot for considering basic cost-averaging.
I have 11 solar panels (275 watt) for 5 years now. In the Netherlands perfect south roof mounting. And I get 3800 kWh last year, a record sunny year for the Netherlands. The yield is than 345 kWh per panel (275 W). For a 375 W panel that should yield 470 kWh per year per panel.
@@SurvivalLilly I look forward to seeing the results. It looks like you are using industry standard calculations. This takes into account actual output, cloudy days and winter vs summer hours. Your numbers here should be fairly accurate.
@@SurvivalLilly These results will speak for themselves. Do, keep us updated regularly. By the way... How do you get paid or credited for the power you feed back into the grid system? Meter runs backward, "retail" or "wholesale" credit per your inputted kWh?
Hi Lilly ! Do u feel the need to protect your inverter from EMPs ? If so, how would you do that ? Everyone's serious recommendations are appreciated. Thanks, Cynthia 🌷 Texas
At 80% you are very lucky my business (different than domestic) has gone up 400%, £750 pa to £3000 pa with maybe more rises soon. This despite 11kWp of solar, I have great Froling pellet boiler from Austria, now 12 years old and only minor issues other than from flood damage. Trying to get 24 months of heat from 4 tonnes of pellets at about £220/t, now I believe 400 /t. My small building has EPC A which is considered good in UK but probably not so good as elsewhere, Germany and Austria.
Your Captain 1200 can charge in Your house from the microinverter. Don't cap your output at 375 watts. The microinverter can't put out more than 800 watts. Solar panels when mounted only produce 60% to 80% of their rated capacity. To get 800 watts it would likely mean you need three panels. Look up the term "clipping" for solar charge controllers and micro inverters. See if your microinverter can handle more panels but only put out 800 watts. Build a rack for two more panels from wood or steel. You will never hit your production numbers and electricity will only get more expensive!
Unfortunately solar panels go from factories straight to retailers. Factory,s make them.pretty cheap actually.but retail in this business.goes up 3,000 percent.
I have a red cross radio with a solar panel , a solar panel on a lantern and a battery pack with a solar panel on it. I honestly believe that if we cut down on electronics and the buying of different " entertainment" devices then the solar panels could be for anyone but of course everyone wants the newest electronics and it drains more power
The best long-term investment, plus over time the price of electricity can increase, and the amount of money saved increases, in case the electricity network stops working (natural disaster or other causes) you will have gold with this system ( heat, food ...) good job 👍
Could you build an inclined platform to add a second panel to the other face of your shed roof to angle it the same direction as your current panel? I have my DVR set for Naked and Afraid on Sunday. I can’t wait. I’m happy for you that you got to be on the show.
I think you over estimate solar production somewhat. As a rule of thumb you can make 1000 kWh for every 1000 watt of solar installed. Depends on the weather of course. So your panel should give you around 375 kWh per year. Panels do only produce their full capacity when they get hit by full sunshine (1000 watt per m2 sun radiation) and this time a year in europe we do not get that angle of sunshine to even come close to make full power.
You should probably only count on getting about 75% of what you calculated. Solar panels rarely produce their maximum rated power and the angle they are mounted makes a difference. Yours look almost horizontal. They are still a very good thing to have.
Stories for those who don't have something like that. If you don't have direct sun, it doesn't produce anything = 7÷9%, and for nothing you have buffer batteries that cost a lot because after a day without sun the disaster starts = the discharged battery degrades rapidly. If you don't have sun for several days, the investment is for nothing, being the whole installation waiting for sunlight
Thanks for the video Lilly. I live in Germany and just bought two 400W panels with a 600W inverter as we're allowed up to 600W here before things get complicated. For me my electricity went from 10c/kwh to 38c/kwh in less than 1 year! Now the panels make sense. I learned from you that the inverter will shut off the electricity when it is unplugged that's useful to know. I would be interested to know if you can charge your Ecoflow with this system. Worst case I have a car battery and a Chinese MPPT charge controller that I could use but so far the battery backup is too expensive for me.
Amazing video. It's nice to know how world is transforming. Ukraine went another route, most of domestic stations installed are just below max cap of 30000Wp. So rich people could get big return on the investment. Your calcalulation is wrong unfortunatly. Panel is not 375W but 375Wp. p stands for peak. So it only peaks at that output around noon in the summer. In reality you would get about ~400kW per year with your system. Still it might pay off in 5 years depending on house usage profile and feed-in tarrif or net-metering et-billing present.
If government cut off is 800w, do 2 or 3 separate sysyems like mine. This way if 1 goes out you still have a backup and they can't say you're over the safety limit.
And the winter conditions here would not allow such an array on the house with the snow build ups. Would need to be placed in a location were could be easily cleaned and maintained. The winds here also could be very damaging the the UV panels and rip them off completely, so would need more protection for the climate around here. 🤔 ❤ 👍 👁
It is interesting that Austria pays the same as consumption. In Australia it varies by state. My state dictates a feed in tarrif well below the consumption charge which seems ridiculous to me. I pay more than 6 times for usage what I get for exporting. A battery would be great but are way too expensive.
Dear Lilly, in the Netherlands you pay about 6000 to 7000 Euro for a 5Kw ( 12 panels 405 watt) installation including the inverter completely installed at your home. Kind regards Jan and Jaimie from Briels Duratechnics solar solutions
I'd probably add this is the MAXIMUM you can save as you haven't accounted for raining/overcast days where your solar will be decreased. I have a 9.9kw system in Australia and have had this for about 2 years now and the electricity provider owes me around $700 which is fantastic!
@@inomad1313 yes my electricity bill shows how many kwh from the solar panels (and how much we are paid/earn from the electricity provider for the solar input) vs the usage (how much we are charged/used). I also know how many kwh most of our large appliances are for example our big aircon in the living areas is 7kw and the one in our bedroom is 3kw. We also have an app on our phones which shows us the solar input each day and can show graphs for solar input for the month/3 months/6 months etc. My state in Australia subsidises the cost of the solar system as well as the solar input so unless you were from the same area as me the numbers wouldn't necessarily be helpful to you as the costs/numbers would be very different along with the sunlight hours.
@@melw3518 That’s an impressive monitoring system you have. I wasn’t looking for the cost savings. I’m just looking for the percentage of power produced vs the hypothetical power production based on your 9.9Kw system. Was it the same as the industry standard calculation adjusted for your area or did the reality differ greatly from that calculation?
@@inomad1313 Hi Daniel. The 'monitoring system' is standard for Australia. The power produced is never the full 9.9kw per hour for various reasons (cloudy, raining, sun not in the exact position, season, cleanliness of the panels etc). Industry standard is based on the best output at the time which rarely happens. Mine for example will never achieve the full 9.9kw per hour as my system faces north, east and west with north being the most optimal position (as I am in the Southern hemisphere). The most power produced is around 6.7kw during clear summer days and we can get around 11+ sunlight hours in summer (but not all daylight hours count e.g. early mornings/late afternoons as the sun isn't hitting the solar panels correctly with enough power). Winter obviously has less sunlight hours and less power production as the sun is lower. Where I am in Australia we don't need/use heaters in winter but we do use the aircon a lot in summer. We also rarely use a clothes dryer as we can hang the clothes out on the line all year round (which is also normal for Australia, many homes don't have clothes dryers). Electricity is more expensive here than say the USA but everything is generally more expensive here. We are lucky the state government subsidises our solar systems. I do not have a solar battery but it is something I would like to have for the future however my current system would not be enough for me to go off grid completely.
@@melw3518That’s all great information. But, it still doesn’t answer the question. The industry standard formula for annual solar production is this: Max wattage potential for the solar panel/array, times 5 hours per day, times 365 days. Given your array is 9.9Kw, the industry would calculate your annual production to be: 18,067.5Kw. This does not take into account your specific location, but should be plus or minus in the ballpark. What was your total annual production last calendar year? Or any 12 month period? I’m guessing somewhere between 16,000Kw and 20,000Kw.
Cost benefit analysis. Your setup never pays for itself before it is end of life. Those systems are only worthwhile in #1 steady warm environments, and 2 when you have no other option for power
Even though there are a lot of solar panels in TX, most are just ornaments bc of the big hail storms we get. We just had one with 70mph winds, pingpong ball size hail zooming across at about a 30 degree angle. Demolished our roof, dented our brand new fence from a tornado earlier in the month, and our trucks look like someone took a hammer to them. It’s a mess everywhere! The all-glass buildings downtown. Are missing windows…now I don’t understand why anyone would build an all glass building when hail high winds, and tornados frequent here all year round?🤪 Anyway the solar panels on roofs everywhere are smashed to pieces. In TX they are not worth the trouble. Not only that, your home has to have sun facing your roof without tree shade or they can’t be used. There’s a lot of trees here lol. Most trees now are torn up too but I hope we get things fixed soon. I had already watched your Episode with Sam I think his name is. The part where you guys skin the snake and the colon pops sending 💩 on him could have been avoided by keeping your hand grip at the end you start pulling from. If you move your hands down the snake as the other person pulls you usually tighten your grip out of necessity which pops the colon like that. You can also hang the snake in a tree if you have a tool to secure it while someone’s pulling the skin down. Then no pressure is being put on the snakes body causing the rupture. You guys were lucky you didn’t get sick from the 💩. Another bit of advice from this TEXAN, did you know that for years there have been rattlesnake roundups where they get hundreds, skin, fry, and eat…it’s a big celebration. Well…now, the snakes have learned about this. They are smart. They learned if they rattle their tails, they get killed so they just coil up and be very still until someone gets close enough to bite! These snakes who have learned this behavior are in TX and NM. I’m not sure about other states. So keep your 👀 wide open for them as well as other species next time so you don’t get bit. Their bites are very toxic and require a lot of antivenom after a helicopter ride to a hospital. (Providing there’s a clearing to land a helicopter where you are) Just pray you never get bit. You have a great TH-cam channel with a lot of excellent survival tips! The slingshot works well! Not to mention you can do what my father did and just throw the rock at the head. He killed a rabbit dead doing this! First try too! 😂 Love the episode in NM as well as your first one. You are great at getting along with others and have had wonderful partners. 🤩 Did your survival techniques begin as necessity or a hobby?
*Allie Says* 👱🏼♀️ “I love the way people in Europe call Aluminum ‘Al-You-Mini-Um’ ….but Survivor💪🏻Lilly does it HER WAY!🤩😎🤓😍 bring on the ‘Al-Ooh-Mini-Ummm!’”🤘🏻🤗😁 👱🏼♀️ “I think imma say it like Lilly and see what happens …I cannot wait to annoy my teachers!”😈🤭😂
Hello Lilly , Don't forget panel and invertor losses; and cloudy days in your calculations. Still I would say about 3 years to pay off the system. ( interesting post, thanks )
Once I get enough subscribers and viewers on my channel. I plan on building some tiny houses for homeless in my area and been a little bit looking at different types of solar setup that be perfect for them . My goal is a portable solar setup that be big enough for few lights and be able to charge / run a few small electrical devices like a phone TV or radio. The thing is I know what need it just when I get the funds it be figuring out which brand is going to be the best bang for the buck as I call it. Definitely nice video . Please keep up the good videos definitely enjoy watching them.
Saving money with solar panels is tricky. Plan for less energy produced and more expensive installation. Especially as you add more watts as you have to add breakers and fuses and make provisions for grounding. The cost of screws, brackets and special tools needed really adds up quick. Understanding your bill is key. If your bill is mostly service fees and price per kWh is low than you might generate significant energy but it might not reduce your bill much monetarily. If your system will generate 2kwh a day, look for ways you can reduce your use by 2kw a day. You will find investing in ways to reduce is almost always a better investment than generation.
Hi Lily...WELL DONE for COMPLETING and being the 1st Austrian to finish NAKED and AFRAID....BRAVO....( i knew you could do it )...Your my new WONDER WOMAN....LOL...Hey....why dont you try the next phase...NAKED and AFRAID Solo...???...
Your calculations are optimistic you should plan.on 50 to 75 percent or this rate due to weather and electrical inefficiency even so this is a very good method for your situation please update with real production figures .
In this video I show a deye inverter that I have bought in 2022. Unfortunately some German electricians later discovered that a mandatory relais is missing from the microinverter. Millions of pieces were produced without this relais. The manufacturer lied about it and just left away this important safety part after they got initial approval for this device from the German authorities. So dont get the microinverter from Deye. Get another brand.
To many people discard the solar option because of the expense of a large solar array. These smaller ones won't `power your house' but they can save you money. In times like these every little helps. Good video Lilly
I agree, I'm tempted to do this in the UK but I rent. 1 or 2 smaller pannels just to offset the elect demand
They still don't pay for themselves. Output diminishes over time the degradation at least here is about 5 years before breaking even
@@jasondelaney527 But even then, by your own admission after five years they would be saving you some money. I doubt the cost of power from the grid is going to come down to the point where you would lose money on the investment.
@moorgunandmarshes no that's not what I said. Even if there is still output, by the time you break Even it's milliwatts on the watt. What I am trying to say is they're dead by the time you receive what you paid for them
These solar panels will fail way before 20 yrs, I have crows that drop rocks on my property from time to time would a direct hit wreck my panel, also snow load and hail storms occasionally will that do any damage? How about 2 weeks of solid rain and clouds how much electricity will be produced?
Hello as others have stated your 375w panel may get you 375 watts at noon on the summer solstice if the panel is at the perfect pitch, the rest of the time it will get considerably less particularly in the winter. I don't want to pour water on your fire for saving money as you will eventually, but it will take longer for the payback to happen. Thanks.
i think she is using an industry standard of 5 hr a day but in the real world that number changes a small amount every day. summer days will have 10 hrs or more and winter will have about 4 so a yearly average of 5 is about right. and as the price of electricity goes up the payback time will shorten so her estimate is conservative if anything. Better to act on a good solution than to wait for a perfect one.........
Thank you for confirming MY Comment....
@@arnoldreiter435 She is also assuming 365 days of sun/suitable light conditions per year and over a 20 year life cycle along with 100% efficiency and no degradation over time and no ongoing maintenance costs and no time value of money. So the payback is probably a much longer period of time.
Solar is extremely expensive and they don't tell you up front that you need a backup battery (of $10,000 or more) in order to be able to use it when the power goes out. We got robbed! Solar system the people who sold it didn't seem to know what they were doing. They didn't put her in enough panels for us to have enough electricity, so we have to pay about $1,000 at the end of the year to pay the extra. We are now paying $330 a month for solar and won't save anything until we pay off the $40,000 loan. I guess my husband was a sucker!
good point. and i doubt the mentioned life span of 20 years!
Awesome! Loving these solar videos!
Now you're talking Turkey Lilly. I have seen these Micro Inverters in action and they can turn your meter back if nothing is turned on. I am completely off grid with 350 Watts of solar...My needs are few here in Nevada. I have had my system for the last 10 years, I think it has paid for itself many times over.
The old meters turned back. But all austrians have new smartmeters now. So it is not a problem anymore
@@SurvivalLilly I have no meter. Smart meters are not so smart. I charge right into a battery bank of 2-100Ah Batteries. If I need more power I just get another battery. I run a fridge, a heater (diesel), this computer, LED lights and I charge a phone and several battery packs.
I really like seeing what people are doing with solar. I am putting a small system into a "stealth" camper I am building. (it is an enclosed cargo trailer I am converting to camper). I am installing 720 watts solar panels, a 1000 watt inverter, and 400AH of LIFePo battery, assorted monitoring equipment and a "plug in" charger for either use in a camp ground or with a small generator to help make up for what the solar can't provide.
One thing that might help your bill is to look at power "vampires" as I like to call them. If you have a newer TV or anything with LED clock, or a power button that is not actually a physical switch, it is "drinking" a small amount of power all the time to keep circuits alive so it will notice the remote or scan the control buttons or other tasks that you probably don't need all the time. If not using some of these devices for a reasonable time, unplug them and save the small amount it would be wasting . Over a years time it would add up and every little bit helps.
I agree with Arnold. I shutter every time my wife brings home the 5 pack of plug in air fresheners. I don't smell that bad....
I've had panels on my roof since '14. THOUSANDS saved.
This is one of your best videos Lilly. Great cost benefit analysis. Thank you!
Great Vid Lilly, you show people that they CAN do it! and not break the bank!
I really like the way you showed the reasoning for the equipment you purchased, and also showed other options for people to maximize their own power input following the rules. Great choice to have a way to input power to the grid - saving money every day there is sun - and also be able to put energy into your offgrid system, to run a small fridge or recharge your phone for comms. Very practical. Hope you and everyone in the EU stay safe and stay prepared.
Hey Lilly, great work as usual but a bit of a tip.. always have flexible cables loop below the inlets to allow for any condensation to drip off of the cable instead of into the plug or socket. metal sheds are condensate nightmares. conduits should should be always allowed to release water and not pool any moisture inside. easy fixes with your set up.
Excellent presentation Lilly 👍
Very concise and to the point.
No Waffling as most YT folks do which can be quite irritating.
(no dogs, cats, or banjo playing)
I will be implementing your solar panel set up. You talked me into it. 😊
Lilly, I at least learned one thing from you today. Even being in the industry at one point, I now see the use for the newer micro-inverters. I always assumed they needed to be on each panel to do DC to AC conversion. Now I see it's more than that. Thanks.
Thanks, for the video Lilly. You are on the right track, any way to reduce your electricity dependance will be worth it. Don't worry too much about the pay back/return of cost the goal is to not be reliant on others for electricity. Plus doing it yourself you will learn so much more and will be able to work on system. Keep up the good work!
Stay Safe & Good Luck
Great video Lilly! I took 2 100w panels I had off my last house and when I moved a year and a half ago I never put them back on my new place. Plus I bought 2 more new ones. I've been doing so many projects I've been procrastinating putting all 4 panels up. But seeing your great cost savings, it's time to get a move on. Thanks for encouraging me! By the way I watched your preview of Naked and Afraid, it looks like crazy fun for sure, and your in such great shape and cute as can be too! Keep the videos coming. Captain Ron from Sunny Arizona 🌄🌴🌵
Mount one verticaly 7:31 on the west side and catch the best two hours of Winter Sun? 6:49
Turn your car into a power source for the house, Put a flexible solar panel on your car with 2 LifePO4 12v 100 ah batteries in your car and cable to your house when parked…charge while you drive or while the car is parked in the sun…Just a thought…
That's quite a jump in price for you, even with your old contract. Thanks for sharing how to calculate cost savings for using solar system, and payback time. It's good for everyone to know where to find their electricity cost, and be able to calculate usage costs and savings for themselves. Thank you, Lilly, for this valuable information.
Some electric companies post the hourly rate in the actual hour, so you can turn off and on your appliance with automation, when the rates are going to go super high,
I get a email and or texts messages when the rates are about to go up.
The electric companies also give you a projection of the next day's rate after 4 p.m. everyday! I average around $27 dollar a month, less during the warm months, with about $16 to $18 of it being in taxes and fees.So I only use about 10 to 11 dollar a month of actual electricity.
I put 4 @ 320 watts on my roof. Wired to combiner box changed the HWH elements to DC and now I have free hot water
i was going to get one of the mini grid tie inverters but i decided here in the uk we have to many dull days and power cuts.
so i spent the money sending extra power my solar system makes straight to a solo socket in the house.
now we have a socket in the house that is live from the solar system and works in a power cut :D
Looks like you could turn the panel sideways and add a second one next to it. If they hang over the edge just a bit, it's OK!
This is very important for everyone. If all rich peoples get solar panels, i'm sure it is good for people who can't buy solar panels
$592.12 in USA, not bad for a shed solar panel. They charge you more for a home installation around $7,000.00 Dollars. Thanks Lilly, we love you!
And if the grid goes down you still have power. Well done Lilly!
Not with these grid tied invertors! The are designed to turn off if the grid goes down, for safety reasons.
Someone correct me if wrong but aren't grit tied inverters usually tied to the grid?
When the grid is down then so is the solar output. If inverter would feed the grid when power is out, then it would be dangerous to electricians and equipment.
Imagine a scenario with back feeding system when there is no power coming in: Power is supposed to be out. Inverter pushes electricity on system. 230V is converted into thousands of volts in transformers and somewhere, far or near, someone is going to have a bad time.
There are inverters that can run appliances and chargers in house when not feeding the grid. There are also inverters that charge batteries, then feed the surplus on grid and work as UPS or uninterruptible power system when the grid is down and work as a stand-alone system 'till the power is back. Both are more expensive though than simple grid tied inverters.
They worry about it back-feeding into the system, but here in Michigan bypass switches can be installed to isolate from the grid and power your home.
@@mungewell Lilly is aware of this. She explained it in the video. When the grid goes down she will unplug the solar and use it to charge her battery backup systems.
I have 2 sets of 4 panels connected to 2 micro inverters Hoymiles HMS-2000 (price 300 euros) in my garden. Maybe not allowed in Austria but legal in a lot of other countries. I would recommend using a separate electrical group. With 8 panels of 400 Watts you can generate pretty much 3200 kWh or more a year. So the micro-inverters cost 300 euros x 2 and a 400 Watt panel cost about 150 euros: Total cost: 1800 Euros
Hi Lilly ,your episode of Naked and Afraid is on Sunday night on my cable system. I can't wait to see your skills in action.
Good on you Lilly every saving you can do is a bonus for the overall bills.
Good job, I built an off grid system that with rising prices of electricity in South Africa my system will pay for itself in 2 years. We just had a 18 percent increase.
In the USA you can find used panels pretty cheap. 200-300 watt for $60-75 ea. Also make sure your local climate makes sense for solar. Be cautious about small wind generators. Most produce well-below their ratings (not all), and most don't do well in urban environments. That said, there are *some* options if you get more wind than sun...
Here in Florida, to install solar panels, even as simple as your system, it is required to get building permits as well as have the system plans drawn out by a certified solar engineer and then installed by a solar licensed solar contractor. The land of the free is in reality - not so free. The costs of doing all this out weighs the small amount one saves using solar.
I think the best part is that you can charge your solar generator when there is no power
Both of them.
Nice set up. Not to big not to small.
not everywhere in Europe , some countries doesn't have as easy process to use solar panels , as well as panels degrade over time, they can get damage with hail storm ( ice showers ) which are often in Europe, as well as get covered with dust and snow and produce a bit less. Still its good mainly to not to relay on a grid , even if you mount up portable solution
Another great and interesting video 👍 Thanks Lilly 🤓 Greetings from Belgium 😉🇧🇪😉
Love this. Thank you. I think also you have to consider the efficiency of the conversion and output from the panel. I think more realistically you are getting about 80-85% of the actual wattage too use. But considering the very expensive cost of electricity in Europe it is still a very significant offset of cost. FYI, where I live here in the U.S. my cost per KWh is only $0.10.
Great point!
You get more than 5 hours of light in summer months. More like 10 on average. I'm in Canada so about the same climate sun wise. Winter is the time to augment your solar with wind power. Tweaking the panel position for maximum light can help too. Monitoring power generation over time can give you a better picture.
She is using the industry standard calculating the average throughout the year. 5 hours per day averaged over the year.
Generally don’t count sunrise to sunset time. 5 to six hours is standard as that is when the system is generating new idyll energy. The first and last few hours of sun hardly generate anything. One can use the internet to find the average hours specific to their area that you can use to make more accurate calculations for expected generation
I have self installed panels on my roof since 2005, solar pioneer back in the day, after me the utilities changed the rules so you need licensed installers now where I live😟
just gotta hope the inverter lasts that long... and you stay there long enough to take advantage of the system. But yeah... its not a bad way to knock down the bill a little
None of the system is tied permanently to the house. If she moves, she can take it all with her. One year of savings will more than pay for another inverter down the road.
You can also unplug appliances, i.e. washer and dryer if you don't clean clothes daily or even a couple times per week.
I use the same set up in my house that I have in my car.. (for camping)
It doesn't run my whole house, but it does light it up..
It also charges my phone/two way radios/and all my other rechargeable gadgets..
Hi Lilly, 375 watts is ideal, full sun, no loss in the panel or microinverter, so you need to subtract at least 20 percent from that, realistically probably 50%
Solar and batteries in Austria pretty much inefficient for almost half the year. We are simply trying to mitigate a deeper more troubling agenda by those who believe they have the universal right to govern over your life from cradle-to-grave through macro and micro strategies and even at some point decide if you should live. Bus to utilize these little strategies breakfast, such as having little Bug Out locations solar power stocking up food will simply only act as a mean to postpone that which simply occurs on a historical basis and that is very predictable for those who really understand history. There is nowhere to run, there is nowhere to hide and for as long as we remain silent The Tyranny will only get worse and worse like untreated disease and at some point we will become completely consumed. We are simply addressing the symptoms as if we have inadvertently joined a cult that I have termed as The Cult of symptomatology.
Exactly , all very nice , handy and intresting these gadgets , strategies and plans, But ……
As long as people don’t realise their is a war waged against them , by their own gouvernments and act on that ,
it will not change the outcome ( their demise ) and only postpone it
Glad some people are seeing this... The good natured lady here can't see the real issues...
Omg you guys are all nuts🤣
@@No23Name23you’re one of the Illuminati. Get him guys! He has the gold
@@newbeginnings8566 she’s making content and living her life her way. And a cabal of evil secret government officials are waging a war on society? 😂
No simply no. Corporations are to engulfed in profit. And war and death and the loss of consumption are bad for business.
War only accounts for a small boost to an economy. As an American I can and have lived through it.
But tiny European countries. Cmon. Death and war is bad for business. And what’s bad for business don’t last long.
Thank you for this video. Always love great money saving ideas. Not only does it save you money, but if the grid fails, you'll still have some limited electricity capabilities. 😁👍💞
You need the electricity most in the evenings and mornings when there's no sun, so I don't see the point of this without a battery and that's probably where the most cost is. The best thing about this is getting off-grid, little by little and having back-up for when the grid is down. Still very worthwhile.
You need to find a way to add a second solar panel. Maybe add some rails that extend off the edge. You'll pay it off in half the time (~1.5 years) and double your savings thereafter. The expensive microinverter is non-revenue generating overehead cost so you need to maximize its potential for the best return on your investment. Redo the math with a second panel and you'll see it is worth finding a way to add that second panel.
Good system, I would go for the other panel, and add another battery pack, in the 2000 or 3000 watt hour capacity, that way you have the power to run you important equipment in a grid down, and your up front cost are still reasonable.
She has a portable pack that she built in a previous video. She also has the one she mentioned here.
Excellent video, most people don't think of this. We all better get into this way of producing our own electricity. Thank you.
Im an electrician and i work in this industry and this is interesting because in the state where i live in Australia they are connecting solar systems up to inverters and meters where they have the capability to turn the solar off whenever they want remotely via the phone network.They say its because so many people have put on solar that theres too much going back into the grid which i have a lot of questions about
From what I understand is the power stations will only take that amount no mater how much line power. That is to say one can have a higher power feed to your station but it will not take more that said amount. (I could be wrong)
It sounds like you will save bigger by using that power over feeding it to the grid. You would not be using that power from the grid.
If you mounted your panels horizontal you may be able to get a second up.
Hi Lily.
You've missed a trick.
You should have positioned the shed east-west, and put the panel on a tilt table.
That way you get the early morning sun, and can flip the tilt table so that the panels face west in the afternoon and evening.
Also, you should,at some point, include a small wind turbine.
In fact, you should start with the wind turbine and add the panels afterwards as finances allow.
Wind turbines are much cheaper and more productive than solar.
Also solves the problem of no/ low sun in winter.
That does not work unless your panels move with the sun or just mount them to the south
When she gets a second panel she can spin the shed so that one panel gets sun in the morning and the other gets it in the evening. Both will get sun in the mid day. Tilting them to the south will help both be more efficient.
It’s not the most efficient layout but she will increase her power by 65-85% over just the one panel as is.
@@inomad1313 Hi Daniel.
Yes, but still only at 375w capacity.
The tilt table can be designed to be wider than the shed, if necessary, to accommodate both panels, or she could stick with just the one, but greatly increase its "production" time.
Facing South, she would generate electricity for about 6 hours, but the tilt table facing east would be double that because you can flip it to face West.
I'm in that situation, there's one part of the garden in sunshine for 16 hours of the day in summer.
Thanks for your reply.
@@dandycat2204 Hello.
Wouldn’t a tilt table be a more complicated and involved build? That seems to defeat the point of this build and video in that her setup, while not optimal, is simple and achievable by many with limited time, finances and skills.
Also, unless the tilt table is somehow automated, it would have to be manually moved every day at mid day. This makes the system more maintenance heavy and again defeats the intent of the video. If it is automated, then that adds another level of complexity to the system that may be beyond many in Lilly’s audience.
I’m not saying that your suggestion is not a good one. It is. I’m just saying that it does not fit seem on this channel and would likely alienate some of Lilly’s followers.
My own system will begin on a shed where the pitch of the roof faces east and west. I will be setting up separate panel groups on each side and using separate inputs into the charge controller. I’ll tilt them to the south rather than leaving them flat on the roof. This system falls between your suggestion and Lilly’s build in complexity but it fits my needs and falls well within my wheelhouse of skills, situation, and requirements.
Thank you for this very pleasant conversation. It is one of the most pleasant of all the conversations I’ve had on this video.
I know the area where that setup is gets wind and snow: I'm afraid every level of complexity is a major setback under these conditions. And wind turbines in residential suburbs you'll encounter problems with neighbours in sleepy old Austria...
Straight to the value as always, Much appreciated Lilly. I was about to ask whether you considered adding a battery to the inverter but it looks like you already have a battery in your power station.
I love this woman she is awesome
I'm simply using a generator.... as the government can not afford to stop transportation, gas prices will escalate less then electrical grid costs. Also, here, if we install solar panels... it has to be done professionally... plus any production exceeding your needs will be fined, or ordered sent to the official grid system
oh .. by the way: I live in NO-way
The big question is what's the meter think of exporting ?
It probably just ignores it so you'll get nothing for the export .
Also the simple headline production figures are normally not what you get .
Use real world information collected over a full year then run the numbers .
I do like the little setup .
Good video thank you .
I love Math - It proves One thing - bureaucracy cost To Much.
Here in Australia, we are installing community batteries where individual householders with solar arrays can export solar for later use by others in their community.
My 185 watt panel gives 100 watt max in the middle of the day here in Australia, so i found that the rated amount of watts is never realized even with our perfect conditions
Most homes are way way under insulated. heating shouldn't cost much at all.
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Thanks for the news , hope you are feeling well.
Depends on power companies policies if these can be used, in US they don’t appear to allow this so you have to go with the big systems to attach to grid or configure the system as completely off grid.
Some people create a separate shed/office that is off grid, or use an inverter/charger that can take input from the grid when it’s up to charge battery bank/pass-thru, then run that out building off the battery.
When the grid goes down they then plug the outbuilding into the main house via generator/transfer switch till the grid comes back. Not as convenient as your setup in Austria but still doable.
Some inverters also let you put critical circuits off them and then divvy the power between a grid input and solar/wind/battery input to do peak shaving and other cost cutting tricks but those aren’t for beginners and you’ll probably need an electrician to double check it to make sure you aren’t violating codes.
I think portable power station with portable solar panels would be more usable and better investment. The #1 advantage is portability and #2 easier replacement of the solar panels in case they go bad. I personally would not look at it as a cost saving, because it’s minimal anyway, but rather as a back up system. However, good job for doing what you’re doing and being innovative 👍
If your broke like allot of people seem to be go to santan solar in the usa you can buy used panels for like 40 bucks and they produce around 220watts I bought 30 worked awesome takes allot of space tho
I admire people who live off-grid. Soon it will be everyone regardless if we want to or not.
Lilly, I hate to burst your bubbler, but I think that the 375 watts that you are using in your calculations is not the correct number to use. The panel is rated at a nominal power of 375 watts, which is its maximum output at noon on a cloudless day when oriented exactly perpendicular to the sun. You will get significantly less than that (on average) over the course of a day because of the movement of the sun and the angle at which your panels are mounted. I'm hoping that the correction lies in the 5 hours that you use for the length of the exposure per day.
I believe that is the case ... hoping for an average per day over the course of a year. Some days might get 12 hours, some only 1 or none. 5hr is a good optimistic number to shoot for considering basic cost-averaging.
I will switch on my app and then we will see how much it really produces in the year
I have 11 solar panels (275 watt) for 5 years now. In the Netherlands perfect south roof mounting. And I get 3800 kWh last year, a record sunny year for the Netherlands. The yield is than 345 kWh per panel (275 W). For a 375 W panel that should yield 470 kWh per year per panel.
@@SurvivalLilly I look forward to seeing the results.
It looks like you are using industry standard calculations. This takes into account actual output, cloudy days and winter vs summer hours. Your numbers here should be fairly accurate.
@@SurvivalLilly These results will speak for themselves. Do, keep us updated regularly.
By the way... How do you get paid or credited for the power you feed back into the grid system? Meter runs backward, "retail" or "wholesale" credit per your inputted kWh?
Hi Lilly !
Do u feel the need to protect your inverter from EMPs ? If so, how would you do that ?
Everyone's serious recommendations are appreciated.
Thanks,
Cynthia 🌷
Texas
I have extra inverters and solar components sitting in a faraday cage
@@SurvivalLilly
Lilly, you are incredible ! ❤️
Cynthia 🌷
Texas
At 80% you are very lucky my business (different than domestic) has gone up 400%, £750 pa to £3000 pa with maybe more rises soon. This despite 11kWp of solar, I have great Froling pellet boiler from Austria, now 12 years old and only minor issues other than from flood damage. Trying to get 24 months of heat from 4 tonnes of pellets at about £220/t, now I believe 400 /t. My small building has EPC A which is considered good in UK but probably not so good as elsewhere, Germany and Austria.
Your Captain 1200 can charge in Your house from the microinverter. Don't cap your output at 375 watts. The microinverter can't put out more than 800 watts. Solar panels when mounted only produce 60% to 80% of their rated capacity. To get 800 watts it would likely mean you need three panels. Look up the term "clipping" for solar charge controllers and micro inverters. See if your microinverter can handle more panels but only put out 800 watts. Build a rack for two more panels from wood or steel. You will never hit your production numbers and electricity will only get more expensive!
Unfortunately solar panels go from factories straight to retailers. Factory,s make them.pretty cheap actually.but retail in this business.goes up 3,000 percent.
I have a red cross radio with a solar panel , a solar panel on a lantern and a battery pack with a solar panel on it. I honestly believe that if we cut down on electronics and the buying of different " entertainment" devices then the solar panels could be for anyone but of course everyone wants the newest electronics and it drains more power
The best long-term investment, plus over time the price of electricity can increase, and the amount of money saved increases, in case the electricity network stops working (natural disaster or other causes) you will have gold with this system ( heat, food ...) good job 👍
Danke fuers filmen Lilly! 👍😁
Could you build an inclined platform to add a second panel to the other face of your shed roof to angle it the same direction as your current panel? I have my DVR set for Naked and Afraid on Sunday. I can’t wait. I’m happy for you that you got to be on the show.
Solar panels are very smart to have this day and age!!!
I think you over estimate solar production somewhat. As a rule of thumb you can make 1000 kWh for every 1000 watt of solar installed. Depends on the weather of course. So your panel should give you around 375 kWh per year. Panels do only produce their full capacity when they get hit by full sunshine (1000 watt per m2 sun radiation) and this time a year in europe we do not get that angle of sunshine to even come close to make full power.
You should probably only count on getting about 75% of what you calculated.
Solar panels rarely produce their maximum rated power and the angle they are mounted makes a difference. Yours look almost horizontal.
They are still a very good thing to have.
Stories for those who don't have something like that.
If you don't have direct sun, it doesn't produce anything = 7÷9%, and for nothing you have buffer batteries that cost a lot because after a day without sun the disaster starts = the discharged battery degrades rapidly. If you don't have sun for several days, the investment is for nothing, being the whole installation waiting for sunlight
Great video! Simple explanation was very helpful. Thank you Lily!! God Bless you and your family
Unplug things at night when they are not being used will save.Electronics are built to use electricity even when they are off.
Thanks for the video Lilly. I live in Germany and just bought two 400W panels with a 600W inverter as we're allowed up to 600W here before things get complicated. For me my electricity went from 10c/kwh to 38c/kwh in less than 1 year! Now the panels make sense. I learned from you that the inverter will shut off the electricity when it is unplugged that's useful to know. I would be interested to know if you can charge your Ecoflow with this system. Worst case I have a car battery and a Chinese MPPT charge controller that I could use but so far the battery backup is too expensive for me.
Can’t wait for your naked and afraid episode! I hope it was worth it. Love your channel.
Amazing video. It's nice to know how world is transforming. Ukraine went another route, most of domestic stations installed are just below max cap of 30000Wp. So rich people could get big return on the investment.
Your calcalulation is wrong unfortunatly. Panel is not 375W but 375Wp. p stands for peak. So it only peaks at that output around noon in the summer. In reality you would get about ~400kW per year with your system. Still it might pay off in 5 years depending on house usage profile and feed-in tarrif or net-metering
et-billing present.
If government cut off is 800w, do 2 or 3 separate sysyems like mine. This way if 1 goes out you still have a backup and they can't say you're over the safety limit.
And the winter conditions here would not allow such an array on the house with the snow build ups. Would need to be placed in a location were could be easily cleaned and maintained. The winds here also could be very damaging the the UV panels and rip them off completely, so would need more protection for the climate around here. 🤔 ❤ 👍 👁
It is interesting that Austria pays the same as consumption. In Australia it varies by state. My state dictates a feed in tarrif well below the consumption charge which seems ridiculous to me. I pay more than 6 times for usage what I get for exporting. A battery would be great but are way too expensive.
A lot of people should look into small wind generators also.
Dear Lilly, in the Netherlands you pay about 6000 to 7000 Euro for a 5Kw ( 12 panels 405 watt) installation including the inverter completely installed at your home. Kind regards Jan and Jaimie from Briels Duratechnics solar solutions
Awesome. Here the companies scam everyone. Only at the countryside we get the same price as you
I'd probably add this is the MAXIMUM you can save as you haven't accounted for raining/overcast days where your solar will be decreased. I have a 9.9kw system in Australia and have had this for about 2 years now and the electricity provider owes me around $700 which is fantastic!
Have you calculated the yearly output of your panels vs the hypothetical 9.9kw? I’d like to see the actual numbers/percentage.
@@inomad1313 yes my electricity bill shows how many kwh from the solar panels (and how much we are paid/earn from the electricity provider for the solar input) vs the usage (how much we are charged/used). I also know how many kwh most of our large appliances are for example our big aircon in the living areas is 7kw and the one in our bedroom is 3kw. We also have an app on our phones which shows us the solar input each day and can show graphs for solar input for the month/3 months/6 months etc. My state in Australia subsidises the cost of the solar system as well as the solar input so unless you were from the same area as me the numbers wouldn't necessarily be helpful to you as the costs/numbers would be very different along with the sunlight hours.
@@melw3518 That’s an impressive monitoring system you have.
I wasn’t looking for the cost savings. I’m just looking for the percentage of power produced vs the hypothetical power production based on your 9.9Kw system. Was it the same as the industry standard calculation adjusted for your area or did the reality differ greatly from that calculation?
@@inomad1313 Hi Daniel. The 'monitoring system' is standard for Australia. The power produced is never the full 9.9kw per hour for various reasons (cloudy, raining, sun not in the exact position, season, cleanliness of the panels etc). Industry standard is based on the best output at the time which rarely happens. Mine for example will never achieve the full 9.9kw per hour as my system faces north, east and west with north being the most optimal position (as I am in the Southern hemisphere). The most power produced is around 6.7kw during clear summer days and we can get around 11+ sunlight hours in summer (but not all daylight hours count e.g. early mornings/late afternoons as the sun isn't hitting the solar panels correctly with enough power). Winter obviously has less sunlight hours and less power production as the sun is lower. Where I am in Australia we don't need/use heaters in winter but we do use the aircon a lot in summer. We also rarely use a clothes dryer as we can hang the clothes out on the line all year round (which is also normal for Australia, many homes don't have clothes dryers). Electricity is more expensive here than say the USA but everything is generally more expensive here. We are lucky the state government subsidises our solar systems. I do not have a solar battery but it is something I would like to have for the future however my current system would not be enough for me to go off grid completely.
@@melw3518That’s all great information. But, it still doesn’t answer the question.
The industry standard formula for annual solar production is this:
Max wattage potential for the solar panel/array, times 5 hours per day, times 365 days.
Given your array is 9.9Kw, the industry would calculate your annual production to be:
18,067.5Kw.
This does not take into account your specific location, but should be plus or minus in the ballpark.
What was your total annual production last calendar year? Or any 12 month period? I’m guessing somewhere between 16,000Kw and 20,000Kw.
Cost benefit analysis. Your setup never pays for itself before it is end of life. Those systems are only worthwhile in #1 steady warm environments, and 2 when you have no other option for power
Even though there are a lot of solar panels in TX, most are just ornaments bc of the big hail storms we get. We just had one with 70mph winds, pingpong ball size hail zooming across at about a 30 degree angle. Demolished our roof, dented our brand new fence from a tornado earlier in the month, and our trucks look like someone took a hammer to them. It’s a mess everywhere! The all-glass buildings downtown. Are missing windows…now I don’t understand why anyone would build an all glass building when hail high winds, and tornados frequent here all year round?🤪
Anyway the solar panels on roofs everywhere are smashed to pieces. In TX they are not worth the trouble. Not only that, your home has to have sun facing your roof without tree shade or they can’t be used. There’s a lot of trees here lol. Most trees now are torn up too but I hope we get things fixed soon.
I had already watched your Episode with Sam I think his name is. The part where you guys skin the snake and the colon pops sending 💩 on him could have been avoided by keeping your hand grip at the end you start pulling from. If you move your hands down the snake as the other person pulls you usually tighten your grip out of necessity which pops the colon like that. You can also hang the snake in a tree if you have a tool to secure it while someone’s pulling the skin down. Then no pressure is being put on the snakes body causing the rupture. You guys were lucky you didn’t get sick from the 💩. Another bit of advice from this TEXAN, did you know that for years there have been rattlesnake roundups where they get hundreds, skin, fry, and eat…it’s a big celebration. Well…now, the snakes have learned about this. They are smart. They learned if they rattle their tails, they get killed so they just coil up and be very still until someone gets close enough to bite! These snakes who have learned this behavior are in TX and NM. I’m not sure about other states. So keep your 👀 wide open for them as well as other species next time so you don’t get bit. Their bites are very toxic and require a lot of antivenom after a helicopter ride to a hospital. (Providing there’s a clearing to land a helicopter where you are) Just pray you never get bit.
You have a great TH-cam channel with a lot of excellent survival tips! The slingshot works well! Not to mention you can do what my father did and just throw the rock at the head. He killed a rabbit dead doing this! First try too! 😂
Love the episode in NM as well as your first one. You are great at getting along with others and have had wonderful partners. 🤩
Did your survival techniques begin as necessity or a hobby?
Wow, this was a great video. You definitely should find a way to install the second panel. Now I tempted to try a small setup like this in US.
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I could not understand you when you said what brand the micro-inverter is. Also, what do the electricians suggest putting in your wall socket? RCT?
Hello Lilly , Don't forget panel and invertor losses; and cloudy days in your calculations. Still I would say about 3 years to pay off the system. ( interesting post, thanks )
Once I get enough subscribers and viewers on my channel. I plan on building some tiny houses for homeless in my area and been a little bit looking at different types of solar setup that be perfect for them . My goal is a portable solar setup that be big enough for few lights and be able to charge / run a few small electrical devices like a phone TV or radio. The thing is I know what need it just when I get the funds it be figuring out which brand is going to be the best bang for the buck as I call it. Definitely nice video . Please keep up the good videos definitely enjoy watching them.
Great explanation Lilly, might try it out! Thanks
No sun shine in Ireland for the last 6 months panel of 200watts brings in 3 watts at best it’s absolutely brutal
Saving money with solar panels is tricky. Plan for less energy produced and more expensive installation. Especially as you add more watts as you have to add breakers and fuses and make provisions for grounding. The cost of screws, brackets and special tools needed really adds up quick. Understanding your bill is key. If your bill is mostly service fees and price per kWh is low than you might generate significant energy but it might not reduce your bill much monetarily. If your system will generate 2kwh a day, look for ways you can reduce your use by 2kw a day. You will find investing in ways to reduce is almost always a better investment than generation.
Hi Lily...WELL DONE for COMPLETING and being the 1st Austrian to finish NAKED and AFRAID....BRAVO....( i knew you could do it )...Your my new WONDER WOMAN....LOL...Hey....why dont you try the next phase...NAKED and AFRAID Solo...???...
Your calculations are optimistic you should plan.on 50 to 75 percent or this rate due to weather and electrical inefficiency even so this is a very good method for your situation please update with real production figures .
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