Building a Short Depth Hot-Swap Home Server - Logic Case SC-43400-8HS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2019
- In this video I build myself a new home server. I've been wanting to do this for a while however I wanted to have hot swap drive bays yet needed a case short depth enough to fit in my limited depth rack. In the end I settled on the Logic Case SC-43400-8HS case which was generously provided by Server Case UK which is a 400mm deep 4U case with 8 hot swap drive bays.
Logic Case SC-43400-8HS: www.servercase.co.uk/shop/ser...
Specs:
- Intel Xeon E3-1226 v3
- 16gb DDR3 Unregistered ECC RAM (2x 8gb)
- ASUS P9D-C/4L Motherboard
- 4x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7200rpm HDD
- Dell PERC H310 flashed to LSI 9211-8i
- 60gb Corsair Force LS SSD (FreeNAS Boot)
- FSP 300w PSU
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Always enjoy a new Cameron Gray video, and the enjoyment is directly proportional to the length of it.
I think most of his fans are here for the girth.
I built a very similar server recently. I used a Workstation board, the P9D-V and an E3-1220L V3(?) for FreeNAS, in a similar case but the one without hot swap (we didn't want to pay the extra for hotswap). Very nice to see the video
I also have a short depth rack and difficulty finding cases, definitely checking this one out
the big fan plate i think is for the PCI slots, to add an additional fan. the weird little bendy bit is a spanner for the motherboard standoffs.
Great vid my dude!
I like your reviews and computer building
Nicely done. I am running a network rack in the top of my office closet. It's depth has made a home serve build tricky. The case I have now has too many compromises. This one may work perfectly.
I love this kind of vids... thanks!
Wooh, glad you showed the blinkenlights at the end. That's what it's about. :P
I'd be lying if I said that blinkenlights weren't a large factor in me wanting hot swap drive bays!
25:36 I've noticed, you put all the HDDs on the same channel, the top row. I paused the video at this timestamp, in order to write a comment, without watching everything. ;) I'm sure you've already considered the increased redundancy to be gained, by distributing the HDDs across both channels, while configuring your zpool with that in mind.
Hi. Love you videos. I'm looking to change my server case to a rack mount one and thinking of getting the case you use. Thanks for the video mate
I bought one, on the back of this video. Next to best idea I have had. I bought it online for under 160 gbp
I am after one of those AV rack cabinets that he has, but none to be found in the UK... Sigh
Yet another great video :)
I have been looking for a case like this forever. I have a media server I’ve been wanting to put in my network rack but the cases I’ve been finding were too deep. I immediately sent an email to the folks at Server Case to see if they would ship the US. Good news, they do. I immediately ordered and was sure to mention your channel name.
This case is also known as the Norco RPC-4308. Widely available in the US, thought without the locking face-plate.
20:45 proof that Cameron can use magic to teleport electronics
I'm in the market for a similar server build to upgrade my home server, this is nice list of part suggestions. Also wanna finally try out 10GbE with one of those affordable Mikrotik switches.
I love your videos. Always very enjoyable. Can you do a video to show setup of FreeNas on this server?
Jesus the music at the assembly part came in loud, really s Ares me.
Great Video Man!! Subbed :)
Good video really enjoyed it hope you can give us a video of the freenas when configured . Wondering if there's a chance you can do a how to guide on upgrading the firmware?
Great video as always. You reckon you could fit a radiator in the front of you wanted to run an AIO cooling solution? Or a stand alone radiator with a custom loop?
With the perc it's an lsi adapter so you can reflash it if the base driver doesn't provide the temperature sensor info
I've run FreeNAS for several years. It rocks! The VM support was a little clunky, but seems to be better in the latest version. However, now I'm running all my VMs in a separate machine now using XCP-NG connected to the NAS with 10GB iSCSI.
It's still a bit clunky but gets the job done. If I was serious about running VMs is definitely go with XCP-NG/Proxmox or similar but for this I only really need a docker host so the FreeNAS bhyve VMs do the job!
PSU shopping tip: As long as it has an 80 plus certification (and a REAL one) you can be relatively sure it's decent quality. 80 plus of any level means it is efficient at 80% load and won't blow up at 100% load. Basically, it means the thing works as advertised. higher "metals" means more efficient. but that's not as important as being un-explosive
Did you ever figure out that the little spanner was for the motherboard risers?
Thinking of getting one of those cases. What are the HDD temps like? Thanks.
are you going to do a software part?
It kills me to see the RAM in an angle like that and not seated :O
I noticed it after filming that shot and corrected it, it's surprisingly difficult to seat RAM properly while leaning over a camera!
I believe the blue ram slots are the ones to use when only using 2
Do you know if the drive backplanes actually support SAS drives or whether it's just a SATA connection?
I have a 600mm wall mounted rack that’s enclosed. Is there a way to show me the back while installed or to give measurements of the back?
My current case was 580mm and “fits” the problem is the handles and front face of the case prevent me from shutting the glass so I need something even shorter.
Great video and I am looking into build one as well, which this video helped a lot. Just wondering if you could advise what mount have you used on the SSD to the side of case please? I need something similar as an additional internal HDD space. Thank you!
Thanks! For the SSD I'm just using some adhesive velcro pads so while it's fine for an SSD which is relatively lightweight and wouldn't get damaged if it did happen to fall off, I definitely wouldn't use it for a hard drive. In more recent builds I've used devices such as this to mount SATA M.2 drives in a spare PCIe slot: amzn.to/3q24VmF. This particular style is good since it powers the card from the PCIe slot but the actual data connection is connected to your motherboard's normal SATA ports using SATA cables. I prefer this to the cards that contain their own SATA controller and interface over the PCIe slot since these SATA controllers tend to be pretty low end and unreliable. With a card like this you get to use your motherboard's good SATA controller but with the SSDs neatly mounted in the PCIe slot. Of course this only works for M.2 SSDs but it can be a good option. For hard drives it does look like you can get brackets to mount 2.5" HDDs in an unused expansion slot so those may be worth considering too.
I'd lend those yellow case LEDs to your local airport, they'd be great for highlighting the edge of taxiways :)
Beautiful machine. I prefere used Dells and HPs, but they're absolutely huge. I hope You will fill all the drive bays soon. :)
Also proprietary
wd gold drives are also server grade ones, but im using one inside a desktop, since wester digital doesn't make wd blue or wd black past 6tb and wd red maximum single drive capacity is 10tb, i wanted as much capacity on single drive as you can get from WD, now wd gold is discontinued or i should say renamed to HGST Ultrastar as WD owns HGST now
I tried setting up my home server with freeNas and could not get it working properly after hours of trying to figure it out I just switched over to Windows server and have had zero problems
Did you remember to seat your ram all the way?
Yeah, spotted that afterwards and fixed it!
Well spotted!
That’s what she said
No shit! Have you ever put ram in before? You have to open both sides fool!
Guess you've never used an ASUS board like this which only has a clip on one side and the other side is fixed and requires you to slide the stick sideways into it...
Yes the stick isn't correctly installed during the timelapse (and was fixed after filming) since it's not particularly easy to build a PC leaning over a camera and lighting but I dare say I do know how to install RAM...
I used to have an old 1/4 size network rack that was only about 500mm deep and I found it impossible to get cases at a decent price back then.
Where did you source the drives ? Incidentally, bought the same case about a month ago, wish the vid had been up before as I would have picked up a few tips and not had to learn the hard way :)
I bought them from shop.ultratec.co.uk/. While most of them are listed purely as "Refurbished" - the ones I bought had some "New" drives listed under the "Options" which cost the same as the ones listed as "Refurbished." I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing "Refurbished" meant that they had been refurbished by Ultratec and the "New" ones were refurbished by HGST.
You should cut out the original fan grills in the rear with a dremel and add wire ones, makes a massive difference in noise (Did in on the side of an Antec Fusion with Noctua fans)
I got heat issues when running 6 HDDs and 2 SDD. Does that also happen to others?
Ey. Way back I flashed an Adaptec bios on a Sun Microsystems raid card. I got it for a great price. Adding a fan on top of the chipset is a good move too. I had to do that for a super hot AMD chipset on a Super Micro board.
Where did you get your drives from? :)
As you were aiming for a quiet server solution how do you find the resonance produced from the hard drives in a direct metal>metal mounting solution like that ? Do you get buzzing / vibrating? or is it quiet?
I always try to ensure hdds are mounted with some kind of sound dampening material to keep them quiet if i have the choice.
They definitely are audible under heavy access, those Ultrastar drives are definitely also not designed for quiet operation! Thankfully I don't really have anything running on the machine that causes constant heavy disk I/O so it's not a problem.
Cool Video,Build.. I Stumbled Into That Same Hdd Deal A Cuple Of Years Ago An I Agree I Put The Mfg Refurb in Same As New,So I First Bought 4,Then When I Got Them I Ended Up Ordering Like 10 Or 12 More And All Has Ben Great..Most Of Them Are In My Server & Have Ben For Ever & I Have 3-4 In My Gaming/Work Pc ! I Would Love To Have 15-20 More Just Like Them !!
Do you have rails for this case? How do you have it set up physically?
how much power does it draw from the wall?
I'm currently looking for a shorter case than that. I've got a 300mm rackmount and need a server that fits into that. Supermicro offers 250mm but they are only 1u hight.
love it
Im really looking into this case, it seems to fit all my needs, there is one thing that is holding me off a purchase, what is gpu clearance like given the front hotswap overhang, can a full height card fit under that overhang or will it limit card length?
Did you buy it? I guess no gpu will fit under the drive cages. But I'm also interested what gpu size can fit in.
do a video on how to flash the card Dell PERC H310 flashed to LSI 9211-8i
I have built several home servers you always think you have a big enough case but you soon run out of room. My personal favourite case is the Thermaltake v21 case.
Great video! What do you shoot against? Your white background is always so clean
It's literally just a white table and white wall 😜 Colour balancing in post production definitely helps though.
Cameron Gray just got to the part where you said it was a cheap ikea table! Thanks :)
Fantastic video! Would you recommend us to copy your build exactly, or, would you instead recommend a change now that you've experienced it for yourself? I'm looking to build a file server which can handle some self-hosted services.
You could copy it although it's not anything particularly special and uses 2015 era hardware so there would be definitely more up to date options nowadays. You could definitely take inspiration from it but this isn't a prime example of the best build for any use case. With this build the main factor was building something that would let me reuse the CPU and RAM that I already owned and to fit it into an unusually shallow rack while keeping the cost reasonably low. For example, if you had a full depth rack, there would be little reason to use this 8 bay 4U case, instead you'd get much better storage density with an 8 or 12 bay 2U case.
@@camerongray1515 I see. I'm planning on using the SC-415A because of the amount of drive bays and 5.25 slots. This is my first time building a server, so the compatibility checking is confusing me a lot. I heard that the Asus ROG STRIX B450-F supports ECC memory, but I can't find much more information than that. Which internals would you recommend today? I'm trying to keep the price under £500 excluding the drives.
There's a decision to make as to whether you want to go with fully "server grade" hardware (namely a server-focussed motherboard and suitable CPU) or if you're happy to use regular consumer desktop hardware, for the latter I wouldn't bother with things like ECC memory, it probably won't provide a huge benefit for a home server where you aren't necessarily needing it to run for years continuously. As far as I'm aware, with AMD, ECC support is more linked to whether your particular CPU supports it since the memory controller is integrated into the CPU. Only real consideration you'd really have to make for this over a desktop will be how you're going to connect that many drives. If you're wanting to run a hypervisor such as ESXi, XCP-ng, Hyper-V.etc you'd need to go with a dedicated RAID card. On the other hand, if you're using something like FreeNAS which is designed to handle the RAID functions in software, you'd need to get an HBA card since you'll probably struggle to find a board with enough SATA ports. For these devices I'd definitely go with something server grade from companies such as LSI/Broadcom or Adaptec (potentially picking one up used) rather than going for cheap consumer grade "SATA cards" which can be a bit unreliable. Then of course you have the other option of rather than building a server, you could pick up a second hand/refurbished server from a name brand like Dell, Supermicro or HP, you could get something pretty decent for £500 and it would have all the server grade management, decent storage subsystem, hot swap drive bays.etc. For the most part, I buy premade servers then only really build them when I have a specialised use case where I can't find a premade one for (such as this situation where I needed something short depth). Only thing to take care with when buying a premade server will be the noise, some can be quiet but others can be really loud.
Incase anyone is curious this case is also known by Norco RPC-4308. I have one, it's great.
Was going to say its definitely a Norco case could tell by the hot swap bays alone
Hi Cameron, would you share where you purchased the drives from .. would like to get a couple myself at that price :) Thanks
I bought them from shop.ultratec.co.uk/. While most of them are listed purely as "Refurbished" - the ones I bought had some "New" drives listed under the "Options" which cost the same as the ones listed as "Refurbished." I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing "Refurbished" meant that they had been refurbished by Ultratec and the "New" ones were refurbished by HGST.
How much did you pay for the setup (without drives)
What size screws did you use to connect the 40mm fan to the HBA card? I've got the same setup, and just have it taped on currently.
Can't remember exactly as I just used some random ones I found sitting around. If I had to guess they are probably M3.5, the same as the screws you'd use to mount a socket/light switch to a back box.
@@camerongray1515 Thanks! Ordered some M3x16mm bolts and rubber washers yesterday after searching around a bit. If they don't fit, I'll make it haha
"we'll see how well these fans do" then immediately replaced them with noctua fans without testing. Pretty much always the right move
Wouldnt you get better performance from your memory if you used the Blue ram slots for dual channel mode?
It's already running in dual channel mode, the black slots are the first slots of channel A and B.
What else would you suggest to make this server suitable as a plex server?
Thank you for posting, I’m in the same position of wanting a new storage solution that fits into my limited size rack.
After 3 years use, how is it holding up and when idle how much is it pulling watts wise?
It's been running perfectly although think I'll probably be replacing it soon with something fully SSD due to the lower power consumption and quieter operation - they're now cheap enough that I can get a few terabytes of SATA SSDs for relatively cheap and I don't realistically need as much storage as I thought I would when I built this. Think it probably consumes around 100w although haven't checked recently.
@@camerongray1515 hey man thank you for the reply! I think I’m going to look at building something similar then after watching your video. Thank you
Do you need a rail, a tray or something when installing the short case into the rack?
It can be mounted using just the front lugs without any rails however rails may be beneficial for letting you slide the machine out for maintenance. It's also likely easier to mount on rails as you don't need to hold the machine in place while fitting the screws. In my situation here, the rails would have been too deep for my rack so I had to go without, otherwise I'd have definitely used them.
Looks quite similar to the Norco RPC-4020. I imagine that there is a single manufacturer that OEMs this style case for others.
It looks exactly like the Norco RPC-4308
www.norcotek.com/product/rpc-4308/
Or Inter-Tech IPC 4U-4408
I like the way it looks better without that server door
I have a 5u tower server chillin on a TV stand, so we're both dying in the rack mount department!
You should do a speed test of your internet. Very curious!
It's an 80mbps down 20mbps up VDSL2 connection, nothing particularly exciting or worth showing, it does what I need it to do and doesn't cost the earth.
Wow! And on DSL? Huh, interesting
@@JoeyLovesTrains It's a fibre to the cabinet connection so fibre runs to a cabinet out in the street then it runs over copper into my property. 80/20 was the fastest I could get when I moved in although I'd now be able to upgrade to around 330/50. The 80/20 speed is absolutely fine for my relatively basic needs although I may consider upgrading once my contract expires depending on the price.
Question: why use a raid card when the software raid is pretty good within FreeNAS aka True as.
While the PERC H310 is normally a RAID card, as I mentioned in the video I've flashed it to the LSI IT mode which turns it into an HBA that will silently pass the drives through to the OS. The card isn't doing anything RAID related (doesn't even have support for it under the IT firmware), it's just passing the drives through to FreeNAS to allow ZFS to handle all RAID-like functionality. Using an HBA like this is the standard way of using FreeNAS, the only other option would be to use the onboard SATA however in most cases, a motherboard will not have enough ports for a large number of drives and won't support SAS if that's required.
Is this case sold in the US???
I have this case, and everyone I've spoken to who also owns this case (or the 2U version) has had massive drive temperature problems. Are you experiencing the same?
I haven't had any issues but I do only have 4 drives. The difficulty seems to be with the large front intake as most of the extracted air will enter through that rather than the drive bays. One way I can see to improve the drive temperatures would be to obstruct some of this to force more air through the drive bays. You'd probably want to avoid having front intakes for the same reason as this will cause even more of the airflow to miss the drives.
How much parity are you running with those drives?
It's a zpool with a pair of mirrored vdevs so essentially RAID 10. RAIDZ1 (RAID5) didn't make much sense since the case doesn't have a multiple of 3 drive bays which removes the density improvement and while RAIDZ2 (RAID 6) would give the same capacity with increased redundancy, it would force me to add another 4 drives to expand the pool.
I don't like the look of all those cheaper server chassis's, they look really cheap.
I ended up choosing the Fantec SRC-2080x07, granted though that that's a 600mm deep server. But then again, I have a 800mm deep 27U server rack in my living room xD
Server case, server MOBO, server drives (SAS), you were not joking around. Kudos. What is the power consumption?
Thanks! Power consumption is around 70w currently at idle with the 4 drives. It never sees much high load so stays around that most of the time.
Just curious, do you know how many watts it consumes on idle?
You run it at idle, and use a device that measures power usage.
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyseI know how to test the power usage 😂. I am asking does the content creator know the power usage of his build and if yes could he share it with me.
Oh. I'm sorry for my silly brain.
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse thank you for trying to help thought 🌷
Have you checked speedfan? It may be the piece of software you need for controlling the fans.
Speedfan can probably do it however I'm running FreeNAS, not Windows. BSD based OSs such as FreeNAS have pretty limited options for software fan control.
tikabass Actually i tried exactly that with another cheap supermicro motherboard last week and it sadly doesnt worked out. The managment Interface provides only 4 or something presets which are all by far too loud even under minimum load. The only solution it seems are scripts that fire controll signals into the ipmi what i find to be a little too hacky for productive environments. I‘m sure that asus board has that same issues.
What is the power consumption @ idle/load/etc?
I haven't done any extensive testing but my PDU is showing that the server and my switch combined are drawing 0.4a (92w) so allowing around 15w for the switch we'd be looking at around 77w for the server under some fairly average (light) load with all disks spun up.
29:30 Uh, are you missing a VRM heatsink? Looks like there's an unpopulated heatsink footprint between the case fans and CPU socket in this frame.
I also love me some reflashed PERC h210/h310s, good stuff. I was relieved to find out that it isn't actually the end of the world if you forget to write down the SAS ID. :)
I noticed that in person however photos I can find of the same board online also don't show a heatsink so suspect it was planned in when the PCB was designed but never fitted on this particular model of board.
Did you install this in your cabinet with rails or did you just use the ears?
I just used the ears, unfortunately all of the available rail options were too deep for my rack.
@@camerongray1515 Yeah I was thinking of doing the same as I am looking to get this case now and the rails would be too deep.
That's so confusing that the PCI-express ports are white.. I had to check the date on video.
How does one buy this case in the US? I want to upgrade my unraid box to this as I am putting in a rack and the desktop case is not gonna look good in it.
In the US look for Norco RPC-4308. Spec wise it looks exactly the same.
www.norcotek.com/product/rpc-4308/
We ship world-wide.
Didn't fancy unRAID Cameron? Easier to upgrade drives and set up dockers etc. Seems to have more updates than FreeNAS too
To be honest I've never really seen the appeal Unraid over something well established like FreeNAS. Unraid possibly makes it easier to swap out/rearrange drives from what I've seen but I'd personally rather stick with something tried and tested such as ZFS where I can easily just pull the drives out and mount them on another OS without any hassle. Not to mention that FreeNAS is free whereas Unraid is pretty pricey.
@@camerongray1515 Hey Cameron, well one of the big advantages is that the data isn's striped on unRAID, you have dedicated parity drives, so in the case of a big problem, you can pull the disk out and mount it somewhere else and pull the data off. I do agree that ZFS is probably the best / most stable file system out there though. XFS, BTRFS are close though, the latter also doing checksumming. One of the other big advantages of unRAID is that you can easily add new disks, whereas on FreeNAS its much more of a pain, having to add new vdevs etc. With unRAID if you want more storage, just add another disk of any capacity (as long as the new disk is equal to or smaller than the parity drive). Check out some videos on unRAID and what it can do, you will probably find it interesting, being into tech!
SATA4? Are you from the future?
Why about the drive temp? I have ditch this case due to poor drive cooling. Even with 6 fans they were going over 50c during operation.
Mine are all under 50c. Part of your issue may have been having front intake fans as they will encourage the air to flow through the front mesh and not the drive bays. If I wanted to improve drive cooling further I'd probably try blocking off some of the front fan bays to force even more of the air being extracted by the rear fans to flow through the bays instead of the front mesh.
Over the last 3 years we've shipped just over 750 full builds for a large CCTV customer using this chassis. Virtually the same spec but with 2 X SSD (RAID 1) and 6 X HGST 6TB HDD's (RAID 5) and a DFI Industrial Motherboard. No issues with drive temps at all with the stock chassis fans.
What CPU Cooler did you use?
It's a SilverStone SST-AR09-115XS
Could you let us know where you got the drives from, please?
I bought them from shop.ultratec.co.uk/. While most of them are listed purely as "Refurbished" - the ones I bought had some "New" drives listed under the "Options" which cost the same as the ones listed as "Refurbished." I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing "Refurbished" meant that they had been refurbished by Ultratec and the "New" ones were refurbished by HGST.
@@camerongray1515 thanks
I know its been said, but the music made me, and my neighbours jump, a little quieter next time? Good video otherwise
how about unraid? Moved my mycloudmirror to unraid running on lattepanda alpha, with pcie sata card attached and I'm loving it so far.
To be honest I've never seen the appeal of Unraid when there's free options like FreeNAS. I'm also not a fan of using their proprietary redundancy/parity stuff, I'd rather stick with something open like ZFS that I can easily mount on a standard Linux/BSD OS install if I need to recover data in an emergency.
@@camerongray1515 xfs is easily mountable on anything, one good thing about unraid is if something goes extreamly wrong you can still read data from the good drives so you loose 'only' data from broken drives
Unraid has poor management on parity error and you are limited by read/write of one disk at a time.
Where i live, it's more cost efficient to buy a 120Gb than a 60GB, but I'm guessing you already had it or where you live it's more expensive still.
for me a Kingston 129GB is $19 USD.
Yeah, I already had it - It was the smallest SSD I had spare, no point using something bigger. If I was buying it new I'd have probably gone for some sort of SATA DOM.
@@camerongray1515 It's literally a $2 difference between a 60 and a 120GB drive so for me i would just go after the bigger one.
The sata DOM doesn't make much sense imo
hi, how are the hdds now? I'm considering to buy refurbished hdds as well for my server
Hmm..no fan cooling for the drive bays - 8 drives crammed together with no forced air cooling. Good luck with that, especially with HGST or Toshiba 7200rpm drives.
I talked about airflow towards the end. With the rear fans running at full speed there is an acceptable amount of airflow through the drive bays so the drives sit at safe temperatures. If I were to fit hotter running SAS drives or possibly added another 4, I may want to look into blocking off some of the front ventilation below the drive bays to direct more air through the drives but this isn't an issue at the moment.
Using this case, I switched from regular spinning rust to ssd due to the horrible drive bay cooling on this thing. Only way I could get decent cooling was by using 3k+ 80mm fans beneath the drive bays and the included fans in the back. Way too loud for my living room rack, and all the machines in there are water cooled to reduce noise:)
Good ol FSP. Never had one die on me. ever. :)
my oll 2950 has no rapid rails or rack..still loud n fast !!
Your Intel Xeon E3-1226 v3 is like the Intel Core i5-4590 with 8MiB instead of 6MiB L3 Cache
does that i5 support ECC my very similar age i3-4360 does and i would love more threads .
i3-4360 DOES support ECC RAM. Number of threads is 4, which is like Xeon E3-1226v3, but Xeon does not have HT and has 4 cores, while i3 has 2 cores with HT. Xeon is approx 1.5 times faster multithreaded.
TheGrantourismo Xeon does HT
Depends on the model, this particular Xeon E3 is based on an i5 and therefore is quad core without HT, higher end E3 models based on the i7 do support HT however.
FYI Your specs for processor ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/80917/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1226-v3-8m-cache-3-30-ghz.html
Just a quick FYI... The Drive trays have mounts for 2.5" drives
They do and I mentioned that but I wouldn't want to waste one for the boot SSD since that would limit me to 3 mirrored pairs rather than 4.
@@camerongray1515 Sorry must have missed you saying that and true when there are only the 8 bays you don't want to waste one on the boot drive.
CPU fan must face towards the backside for better heat dissipation as your exhaust fans are at the back!!
It is, the fan blows air through the heatsink
That's a cheap card for 8 sata! $29 on ebay. Cables another $8. Is it really running that hot? I found several pictures people mounting 40mm fans on it. Which blocks the next pcie slot unfortunately. You could then just buy two of those 4 sata marvell/asmedia based cards for the same price and they run super cool. (I don't recommend the 4 port asmedia card, it's 2 port really, with a 1-3 port multiplier on one)
I could have used one of those however I personally wouldn't trust one of those cheap consumer ASMedia/Marvell chipsets, I've heard of far too many horror stories that I'd rather stick to a good LSI chipset that retails for over £100 new. This card also supports SAS which I'm not using but may be required for certain systems using SAS drives or a SAS expander.
Could you use this server for hosting gaming servers? MC,ts3,etc
I mean, it's just a server, you could host whatever you want on it as long as its specs are suitable for the task.
@@camerongray1515 that is actually a really good answer! Ty!!!
that fsp psu is a bit shit. i had the same one and it forced my server to crash 3-4 times a day, i replaced it for a aerocool 500w 80+ bronze and i havent seen it crash since. up time of 4 months now
All models will have lemons, doesn't mean it's a bad model.
@@camerongray1515 yeah i understand that, but how many of these psus have you seen used? how many have you heard have failed? my guess is 2, yours and mine. i know its a small survey size but thats a 50% failure rate. any more than a 0.01% failure rate is too much for a server.
These PSUs are incredibly common in OEM systems so while I haven't seen a huge number (definitely more than this single one though!), I've probably used hundreds. You can't claim that one of two failing means this model has a 50% failure rate, by that logic there's a couple of PSUs I've used where I've only ever seen one and it's failed therefore I'd be claiming that those models have a 100% failure rate. Based on what I've seen across the board for FSP OEM models, I'd class then as pretty much as reliable as any other name brand entry level OEM model.
yea server stuff :)
If only you had searched ebay for Rackable Systems servers... they made half depth systems and had hot swap drive bays in all but a few of the 1U systems. The 2U and 3U systems are quite common, but the real prize is their 6U case.... designed with dual hot swap power supplies and 26 3.5 inch drive bays usually filled with a dual xeon motherboard, dual sas controllers and at least 1 quad port ethernet card... all that and still a half depth case.
I've seen those but I get weirdly twitchy building a machine in a case that would have originally been part of a branded server, I just know that it would have bugged me. There's also no way the hardware that comes in one or them would be efficient enough for me to use.
@@camerongray1515 Most of them shipped with high efficiency power supplies with power factor correction as required by large data centers. When you're running 100,000 servers even 5% less efficiency makes a huge dent in the power and cooling bill.
The cases themselves were basic sheet metal with standoffs that could be moved to accommodate just about any off the shelf board you could throw in them and they used standard IO shields. The best thing about them is also the worst thing about them... they are very simple generic cases. They were easy to work on and were often made with off the shelf parts that required little additional engineering as a means of cost savings. With only a few exceptions Rackable used no special mother boards, everything was off the shelf... the only machines that used special purpose made boards were a few 1U machines that had skinny boards so they could fit two motherboards side by side in a case... that project went tits up pretty quick though. Some even come with a "roamer", a serial interface adapter with a LCD display that can do fun things like remotely hit the reset or power button even if the motherboard is completely unresponsive. I have several 2U and 3U cases and have been on the hunt for a 6U case for a while now... not many were made so they're a bit hard to find.
My concern isn't the efficiency of the power supplies, it's the fact that they are all using pairs of fairly old CPUs which will use several times the power of my Xeon E3, this machine runs 24/7 in a domestic environment, I simply can't justify a machine that uses hundreds of watts at idle. I've used a rackable case before (just s 1U one) to build my first PFSense router but it definitely bugged me knowing that it was a case from a premade machine that I'd repurposed, didn't want to have that again with this build.
@@camerongray1515 When I mentioned Rackable I really only meant regarding using the case and power supplies, maybe the sas controllers if it came with any.... I wouldn't use the MB or CPU they came with either... but the cases are nice cheap.
not having a rack mount case bothered me so much that i caved in and accepted a free one. they twisted my arm.
I was already planning on doing this with the exact same case once I had the budget so when they offered one it would be silly not to accept. I still had to invest a fair bit into this project for all of the other parts which is why it took into March to do this, I'd originally received the case way back in January.
Looks good, shame its not 3 rows of 4 instead of just 8 bays total.
Yeah, I'd have loved an extra row!