@@KhanyisaEdmundTityalathis witness kininja, never answer directly . .. all he has is explanation after explanation on and on and on ... trying to be preemptive.
Those who say the defence is not asking the right questions or is weak during this cross examination should wait for the arguments 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 this defence is not weak at all.
@@therockmosothoNop.Remember accused 3.4 and 5 are arrested because of the confessions of accused 1 and 2 so the only thing Mnisi is doing is to discredit or to convince the court that those confessions were not done freely and voluntarily.
Mngomezulu is well he just needs extra time to come up with conspiracy theories to rescue his client or put his own life in danger with baseless theories. ALLEGEDLY
Mnisi: What is your Name Gininda. Gininda: So I grew up with my Grandma becoz my father left my mom before I was born and my grandpa had to "collaborate" as "so far" as the status of my mom's pregnancy so that they can "Corroborate" the name my mother wanted, "furthermore" my aunt told my uncle to tell my mom to give me a proper name.🙄🙄🤦
I never really watched Senzo play but my heart pains for him and his family. Is it so difficult to conclude this trial and bring closure to his family. His Dad died with a broken heart fighting to get his son’s killers behind bars. Justice will prevail, those that did this will pay or are already paying with the miserable lives they living😊
Kunzima uhlupheka. Konke lolu kwenzeka because uNtanzi ehlupheka. If his family was rich he wouldnt be where he is today. Goninda and Baloyi are tsking advantage of ukuhlupheka kukaNtanzi.
Ama lawyer amaninzi nodoctor bavela kumakhaya ahluphekayo. The choices we make and people we associate ourselves with can be the reason he is where he is
@@zuks_almost_skates1227 So many people are not rich, but they not involved in criminal activities. They don't carry small guns in their pockets. They are not involve in type of gang activities. They're not making and receiving calls from convicted hitman. They do not form part of the gang of contract murder s. Instead they go around collecting recycliment good's, selling to them for income.
I think Ratha's judgement sways the wrong direction because of poverty. Retired life is not all that glossy. If they did promise to line his pockets what else could the poor old judge do? Hearing the sounds of the leg irons (chains) of accused for a planted crime does not bother him at all
@@busisiwekalemba6054 Shame on you, why don't you put in a right way, that the old man is geneous, I wish angabuyela abemtsha for obabu brilliant bakhe, but if you're a fan of the Iinkabi angeke ukubona loko sorry for ukukulungisa
@ I don’t know how you live your life or conduct your finances Working for 40 years , earning R1.8m minimum, contributing to pension ,saving and investing, what’s the projection? He has no mortgage and uses his earnings to take his better half on endless dates and holidays. Don’t be daft.
Yhhhoooo utata wabantu, yhini nkosi yam. Cause kuzobizwa omnye nje ujudge, mhlawumbe lo ebezoti there is no enough evidence lo ozofika ati ujp suliqalela ati life to all including our musician. Yhoooo Jesu mvikele Bawo yhini ecula kamnandi kanje intombi yam
This judge is going to make history. His judgement will not only teach criminal Law students here in South Africa how to apply law, but will inspired Law professors and students across the world. His judgement will be a book in its self. It will take him not less than a day to read in this court. It will be ground breaking judgement across all corridors of Law. He has no case other than this, this give him plenty of time to prepare. 42:00 Ratha the ex Pirate player has never been a failure. He will educate this lawyers and others who are still upcoming. To die it's a no no, that will not happened. He has accepted that his days are over. He said it in this court numerous times. That tell us that he is not scared of death. This will keep him alive to serve this people of his country until this case is finish. He doesn't care about death cos he has done his bit in this country and he continues to do so.
@@zwelimkhize3071he is biased maan yeeeerr, disgusting. Mnisi tries to establish why an accused person isn't brought to court within 48 hrs as prescribed by law. What does your judge do ? Help Gininda to avoid answering the question with a straight answer.
@@Tayma11JuneThis was supposed to bechallenged by Mshololo and other advocates who were the accused lawyers when they appear 1st time in court in Bockburg. Not in this court it's a wrong platform.
@@zwelimkhize3071yahlanya wena ekhuluma umbedo yalibona JAJI is bias and hatred black ppl with all his heart, never played soccer we were played so we can believed his judgement. This judge just here find accused 2 guilty his been paid for that
I couldn't even understand how this judge ruled in favor of Gininda crew in that confession ( trial within a trial) that was clear lies, they even say they were giving them takeaways(KFC's) to eat with them, while the scars of handcuffs still exist to this date, justice ngumnqundu nje obolileyo, they went to school for so long for that nonsense, they will be relying on the cases that happened long ago before democracy, this law needs to be reviewed, it's no more relevant
Goninda is not smart. He is cuning. ( Clever in a cruel manner) He fails to answer straight forward questions. Unless he pays someone to write those 6 modules.
Mnisi is behaving exactly the same way as apartheid defence councils. Instill fear in the minds of witnesses sothat they falter and their testimonies are considered as baseless. I salute Brigadier Gininda for standing his ground and insisting on his way of chronicling events as they unfolded. This is a class in progress for our police officers. From the taking out statements to testifying in court. It makes it easy for justice achievement. Hate and bias cannot help the courts. Fortunately judgement does not have emotions. It relies on facts from all angles.
2:31:42 when Kholobarate qualifies his answer with "that's the honest truth", he's definitely lying (allegedly) and just trying to convince the other party that he's telling the truth. Does this imply that everything else he's been saying is false as he wasn't qualifying everything with "It's the honest truth"?
WE NEED TO SEE THE CELL REGISTER OR VISITORS' BOOK !!!!!! AND WHAT WE MUST FIND THERE IS THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR COMMUNATION BETWEEN THE ACCUSED AND MJIYAKO. IF THERE IS NONE, THEN GININDA IS THE ONE WHO ORGANISED MJIYAKO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE ACCUSED CONFESS THROUGH GININDA'S ASSOCIATE !!!!!!!!! AND YES MJIYAKO AND GININDA KNOW EACH OTHER.
😂😂this man can lie,his long explanation says alot.He said Ntanzi was a target but last said the accused raised his hand and tell him that he want to confess.And Zungu was not there
Another case that was high profile and was broadcast extensively in the country, is the Oscar Pistorius case.. I remember even today that that happened 14 February 2013... So if i remember that, is it questionable? Im not following Gininda's Reasoning here
Mr 2 percentage known as gininda tell him he must answer the questions not to explain even is yes , cause he is lying to the court of oath,he going fail the state
Mna i give up. Chicco must be a trillionaire he paid so many people in this casejust for Longwe who accidentally shot Chicco and shared his bag of money pic with Kelly and acc 3 so that he can frame all 5 accused, So Gininda, Ratha and Baloyi tried to cover up, took those 5 innocent people and took acc no3 s catridge or whatever was there and plant it so that even Kelly can be framed but Kelly cannot even say a word, she would rather go down for a person who accodentally shot Senzo. Nzoke ndiyixoxele umzukulwana wam lo una 2years.
Ntosh akho kwaLongwe wadubula uSenzo....umntu okholelwa lonto ukholelwa entsomini..,the person who shot Senzo is sitting there in court...if ngubani plz read between the lines...That 375 docket is a joke....21/11/2024
Gininda is a genius and he understands the law, he eloquence in speech is superior to that of the defence, mnisi was a runflat tyre today as Gininda was cruising with him
It is the court record that accused #2 said he did not want a legal representative. Now during the pandemic, when did the accused consult with mjiyako to represent him and for the so called plea bargain. And again, who arranged mjiyako to represent accused #2...😂😂😂
uMnisi is a narcissistic and very rude, he is busy undermining the witnesses especially uBrig Gininda but mna andiboni sizathu sokubathathela phantsi Gininda is highly educated moss uyamdlula futhi
The poor quality of defence lawyers is not helping the poor accused people’s case, although the state case doesn’t seem to have any legs in-spite of the biased judge and the forgery of evidence.
Baloyi wanted to run away from the mjiakho issue bcz of the so called plea deal negotiations with the state. Something is hanging and about to drop there but bcz gininda explains too much he has landed them there. Now we must hear the plea deal negotiations, how it came about and how it ended. He forgot he said ntanzi waived his right to an attorney and wanted to confess, voluntarily. He then confessed. Subsequently he was now introducing his lawyer and confessing to kronje
The forms can differ but the guidelines are the same. Eg if you go to hospital there are different forms of admission but one guideline on admossion of a client
Aaikhona its game over for all this guys gonindas testimony its on VVVip level if the leading IO was someone else i blv the outcome would be different thats why he came last bathi Save the best for Last👌🏽
Does the JP follow on this case closely? (such as he received a complaint which he found necessary to share with Judge RM) ... if so then there's need to evaluate kininga because this one seems to have mental challenges ... I think kininja is not well and is not fit (reputable) to stand before this court .
Defense must never have hope to masemula jp or NPA for this case. Look how the judge just laughed when mnisi said will call masemula. That laughed tells a lots
Masithi asazi ukuthi who killed Senzo Meyiwa but my question is why the accused lies, like uSibiya uthi wayese makhaya nge 26th October 2014 but I record bank transection zithi ebese Goli, Ntanzi wayese msebenzini, for what going reason?
You guys keep on asking the very same question dt has been answered long time ago, those guys maybe criminals but did not kill Senzo Meyiwa, now answer this question why did Maphiri clean the crime scene on behalf of criminals?
Maybe Kelly asked her, if she is the mastermind, she willnot want evidence to be connected to her contract.. K**lers. Ndicinga if nguye that might be the reason
😮😮😮the state is shocking... Mnisi: were you part of the discussion (yes or no) Gininder explain..😢which school did Ginanda attend mara.Did he do grade 1???
@@Nseketelo12 Brigadier Gininda is not wrong by explaining, his the senior investigator of this matter, why are you get worried when he is explaining, where there is smoke there is fire ninezazela ngenkabi zenu, zange nivume siviswe I recording Ka Magistrate Cronje nina ninzulu
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you gotta love Niiiiisi mr BOMBASTIC💣 'unless you are creating your own little law in your little corner there'🤠hae we aint in church tlogela sermon and look at niisi coz he is yours and you are his(his&hers)😍sataforikans prptect Niiiisiii🙏🏿✝️
The question to jininja is "do you know mr mjiyago?" Direct question for a Direct answer. No need for whether you worked with him or ever have come across him.
Long unnecessary explanations always result into confusion. As an LLB student u need to stick to the questions asked for every one to be able to follow & not doze off to sleep😂
Defence teams knows that their clients are guilty because of all the evidence brought to court. They are just pushing time especially Mnisi. Ramosepele is very smart that's y he didn't waist his energy for defending these liers
You do know that a "yes" and "no" is not an answer but a way of incriminating yourself, right? An explanation is a way of driving a point home. How do you expect to conclude on a statement with half information that dwells on a certain narrative? Be impartial, and you will understand what is at play here
@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601which evidence are you talking about this people new they did not have any evidence that is why they ended on doing confession DNA everything took those guys away from that crime scene now wena what evidence are you talking about
@@Mbali-ho6bw We view this case differently and our opinions are also different. Some believe in hearsay evidence without prove and some listen to the evidence brought in court
Can anyone ask gininda if he told baloi about the nongoma case because baloi introduced accused number 2 to the court he has no pending case and he has never been in any case other than this case.
We need to be careful of calling witnesses that are not going to help the defence. Mjiyako is going to sink the accused. So let stay away from calling police commissioner. This is just waist of time. That guy was not even a commissioner of police when this case started.
Is painful and difficult because the truth is that these guys were forced to sign the so called confessions and now they are trying to show the court that they didn't do it freely. Now this Mjiyako why is he not showing up so that people can believe that indeed is someone who is alive and who represented accused two in doing the confession.these guys were forced njheeee.
@@samolesesa132 What I know is that Law society doesn't allow any Lawyer to be a witness. If you remember during Trial within a trial....Mjiyako letter was presented in court to confirm if he was a lawyer.
The truth will never chsnge. Ginindas statement is still the same as in trial within atrial. Mr jokes can make jokes till kingdom comes but the punch is not there. Hey uyashayana uGininda, ipunch yake imbeta umntu aye le abhayize ati eteta ngeproformer abe eteta ngesibanye mine
For me I don't hear defense defending the accused ,all they are Saying is about the confesion statements hence some ppl are thinking his defending number 2....They are are throwing each other's clients under the bus...Just like their line of questioning is throwing Kelly under the the bus
They throwing Kelly cause they know its lies that they are giong to drop the charges against Kelly when the accused are found guilty and say the accused lied to protect their Master mind, if the state is serous Kelly would be on the dock😂😂
The hatred towards the judge will not deter the truth to be unearthed.
No hatred la wena sdwanya mpuphu all that is needed from this judge is impartiality. We're not blind🚮
Correct...he hates the defence as if he jst flew to the seat of being a judge as if he was never a defence before
@@KhanyisaEdmundTityalathis witness kininja, never answer directly . .. all he has is explanation after explanation on and on and on ... trying to be preemptive.
Those who say the defence is not asking the right questions or is weak during this cross examination should wait for the arguments 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 this defence is not weak at all.
Let's hope they will come stronger bcz I am not convinced with their cross examination but let's have faith
I respect Advocate RamoSepedi
His line of questioning 👌
2:20 a simple question but a whole Lead Investigator fails to answer
Our Justice System is going down the drain
What was the question?
@@africanprince3254you don’t hear the question mnisi posed o Gininda ? I think you have a problem of comprehension
Ramosepele has done alot of damage so Mnisi he's trying to fix then after he'll deal with Gininda😂
Mnisi is only putting no 2 under the bus to try save his client.
@@therockmosothoNop.Remember accused 3.4 and 5 are arrested because of the confessions of accused 1 and 2 so the only thing Mnisi is doing is to discredit or to convince the court that those confessions were not done freely and voluntarily.
Lol Mnisi is doing worse and is trying to drag Brig on that dock until recess defence dirty game is known by me .Allegedly
Wow really
U dnt hve LLB degree relax
My queen 👑 Mshololo,hair style, ❤
Ngathi whoopi Golberg 😊❤
Special prayer 4 Mngomezulu. Hope he recovers soon.😢
What hppnd to him
Mngomezulu is well he just needs extra time to come up with conspiracy theories to rescue his client or put his own life in danger with baseless theories. ALLEGEDLY
Yes I do
Is he sick
@mbusomoyo102 he is faking I can see him .Maybe he needs to repent and tell the truth that these guys are guilty .Allegedly
If this judge hates South Africa this much, why can't he go to England
Correct, he must just leave cause he blames everything about parliament and government 😂
He thinks he is white this one
@@FitNony yhu unezothe u Ratha 😆 😂
Are you in some stuff?
@@SizweMaphumulo-g5g umazi wendlela ngowake wayihamba
It's been 10 years ago but we all remember the date coz every 26th of Oct.. It will be on socials
Not every person on the street knows that Senzo Meyiwa was killed on the 26th of October 2014, learn to think critically and not like a 2 year old.
@@justinmothibi5739myself included I couldn’t remember the day
@justinmothibi5739 Thank you,
I didn't know the accused was living on the streets during his arrest...
Mnisi: What is your Name Gininda.
Gininda: So I grew up with my Grandma becoz my father left my mom before I was born and my grandpa had to "collaborate" as "so far" as the status of my mom's pregnancy so that they can "Corroborate" the name my mother wanted, "furthermore" my aunt told my uncle to tell my mom to give me a proper name.🙄🙄🤦
😂😂😂😂
Subsequently to that I am Gininda😂😂
😂😂😂🤣
An inference can be drawn that I wanted to be a Policeman since birth .😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This case is for CHICCO better go fix his mess with his own sons. Bcz they gonna bring him down
I never really watched Senzo play but my heart pains for him and his family. Is it so difficult to conclude this trial and bring closure to his family. His Dad died with a broken heart fighting to get his son’s killers behind bars. Justice will prevail, those that did this will pay or are already paying with the miserable lives they living😊
2:00:39 This Police think we are stupid, why did they take him there
Kunzima uhlupheka. Konke lolu kwenzeka because uNtanzi ehlupheka. If his family was rich he wouldnt be where he is today. Goninda and Baloyi are tsking advantage of ukuhlupheka kukaNtanzi.
Ama lawyer amaninzi nodoctor bavela kumakhaya ahluphekayo. The choices we make and people we associate ourselves with can be the reason he is where he is
He was working
Clever blacks🤣🤣🤣@@NtombikayiseDanisa
Ntanzi put himself into this there's no one to blame. He was working but for the love of money he connect himself with killers
@@zuks_almost_skates1227 So many people are not rich, but they not involved in criminal activities. They don't carry small guns in their pockets. They are not involve in type of gang activities. They're not making and receiving calls from convicted hitman. They do not form part of the gang of contract murder s. Instead they go around collecting recycliment good's, selling to them for income.
I think Ratha's judgement sways the wrong direction because of poverty. Retired life is not all that glossy. If they did promise to line his pockets what else could the poor old judge do? Hearing the sounds of the leg irons (chains) of accused for a planted crime does not bother him at all
Judges’ retirement package includes a minimum of R613000 and maximum of R2.3million. 😊
What are you talking about. Your mind need to be examined. You think everyone including the witness, judges and presecutors. 😂😂😂 udomu wena
@@busisiwekalemba6054 Shame on you, why don't you put in a right way, that the old man is geneous, I wish angabuyela abemtsha for obabu brilliant bakhe, but if you're a fan of the Iinkabi angeke ukubona loko sorry for ukukulungisa
And you think you're set for life with that amount? Nc nc nc@@Gojisi
@ I don’t know how you live your life or conduct your finances Working for 40 years , earning R1.8m minimum, contributing to pension ,saving and investing, what’s the projection? He has no mortgage and uses his earnings to take his better half on endless dates and holidays. Don’t be daft.
Bring Mnjiyago's 205 so we see how he was communicating with accused no 2 soliciting his services. A very unscrupulous lawyer
My prophecy is that. Ratha will not finish this trial. Leevy - 21/11/2024
Yhhhoooo utata wabantu, yhini nkosi yam. Cause kuzobizwa omnye nje ujudge, mhlawumbe lo ebezoti there is no enough evidence lo ozofika ati ujp suliqalela ati life to all including our musician. Yhoooo Jesu mvikele Bawo yhini ecula kamnandi kanje intombi yam
This judge is going to make history. His judgement will not only teach criminal Law students here in South Africa how to apply law, but will inspired Law professors and students across the world. His judgement will be a book in its self. It will take him not less than a day to read in this court. It will be ground breaking judgement across all corridors of Law. He has no case other than this, this give him plenty of time to prepare. 42:00 Ratha the ex Pirate player has never been a failure. He will educate this lawyers and others who are still upcoming. To die it's a no no, that will not happened. He has accepted that his days are over. He said it in this court numerous times. That tell us that he is not scared of death. This will keep him alive to serve this people of his country until this case is finish. He doesn't care about death cos he has done his bit in this country and he continues to do so.
@@zwelimkhize3071he is biased maan yeeeerr, disgusting. Mnisi tries to establish why an accused person isn't brought to court within 48 hrs as prescribed by law. What does your judge do ? Help Gininda to avoid answering the question with a straight answer.
@@Tayma11JuneThis was supposed to bechallenged by Mshololo and other advocates who were the accused lawyers when they appear 1st time in court in Bockburg. Not in this court it's a wrong platform.
@@zwelimkhize3071yahlanya wena ekhuluma umbedo yalibona JAJI is bias and hatred black ppl with all his heart, never played soccer we were played so we can believed his judgement. This judge just here find accused 2 guilty his been paid for that
I couldn't even understand how this judge ruled in favor of Gininda crew in that confession ( trial within a trial) that was clear lies, they even say they were giving them takeaways(KFC's) to eat with them, while the scars of handcuffs still exist to this date, justice ngumnqundu nje obolileyo, they went to school for so long for that nonsense, they will be relying on the cases that happened long ago before democracy, this law needs to be reviewed, it's no more relevant
As for umnqundu 😂😂😂😂🎉
😂 bade bathi bebehamba noNtanzi kuba bebesonqena abesesizungu in the cells kodwa sisigebenga esikhulu😂
Goninda is not smart. He is cuning. ( Clever in a cruel manner) He fails to answer straight forward questions. Unless he pays someone to write those 6 modules.
Goninda😂😂😂
Mr Mnisi ❤❤❤❤ how you always (thank you) phezukwakhe gwinyinja
Mnisi is behaving exactly the same way as apartheid defence councils. Instill fear in the minds of witnesses sothat they falter and their testimonies are considered as baseless. I salute Brigadier Gininda for standing his ground and insisting on his way of chronicling events as they unfolded. This is a class in progress for our police officers.
From the taking out statements to testifying in court. It makes it easy for justice achievement. Hate and bias cannot help the courts. Fortunately judgement does not have emotions. It relies on facts from all angles.
2:31:42 when Kholobarate qualifies his answer with "that's the honest truth", he's definitely lying (allegedly) and just trying to convince the other party that he's telling the truth. Does this imply that everything else he's been saying is false as he wasn't qualifying everything with "It's the honest truth"?
But Gininda, you knew Mjiyakho because u were working together
That is where one concludes that this guy is a liar
Says who? Why is the defense not insisting to bring Mjiyako before the court? They know very well that it's all lies.
@@dannym7593 Mjiyako is nowhere to be found, you must follow evidence
@@muzimabena2089 people like Danny I don't dignify them with an answer
@muzimabena2089 most witnesses perished apparently
WE NEED TO SEE THE CELL REGISTER OR VISITORS' BOOK !!!!!! AND WHAT WE MUST FIND THERE IS THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR COMMUNATION BETWEEN THE ACCUSED AND MJIYAKO. IF THERE IS NONE, THEN GININDA IS THE ONE WHO ORGANISED MJIYAKO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE ACCUSED CONFESS THROUGH GININDA'S ASSOCIATE !!!!!!!!! AND YES MJIYAKO AND GININDA KNOW EACH OTHER.
AND NO IT WASNT DONE THROUGH THE ACCUSSED FAMILY, BECAUSE THERE WAS THEN THERE MUST BE A VISITOR'S BOOK FROM FAMILY MEMBER !!
Mjiyakho failed to forced accused to signed until Gininda THRETHEN them that his going to leave to die bcos were beaten
Mnisi is a drama king. He's frustrated😢
His annoyed
Thought Gininda said ntanzi doesn't need a lawyer to make confession all the suddenly There's mjiyako
Ask Ntanzi why he ended up hiring Mjiyako. Ntanzi knows him and he's playing dumb.
Stop dreaming and sharing your dreams on this platform
Gininda is a smooth operator. The articulation of English words is just a way to fool us. The man can lie,yoooh. He talks and explains too much
Been saying that, coz he knows to fool a black man u speak proper English so they can believe u 😅😅😅
😂😂this man can lie,his long explanation says alot.He said Ntanzi was a target but last said the accused raised his hand and tell him that he want to confess.And Zungu was not there
😂😂😂😂Ave ningichaza because you know he is lying meaning you know the truth why ungayi kotshela inkantolo iqiniso
@@nontuthuzelombuthuma5864 He gives two different versions, and why should I go there to testify?some people are just dull and clumsy
@@nontuthuzelombuthuma5864you are stupid
That "Thank you"kills me usuke esazo kuphela strong Mnisi😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ratha Likes to be a Witness in his court.
Tuesday it's going to be hectic 😂
What's happening on Tuesday pls tell me
Mnisi still enjoy asking immaterial questions which just delays processes 🤦♂️🤦♂️
So much delay tactics from him are annoying
Saze safa yilo collaboration 😢
lol 😂
😂😂😂😂
We gonna watch until justice been serve for Senzo, let your spirit fight for boy
See, the pressure from the public letter made a difference...that is holding our institutions accountable...👍
Mnisi now you're trying to teach police officers about their job how they must perform while they are on duty 🤷♂️
Adv Mngo has been muted 🔕
Ucinga uba uziytata pi imali ka esue wa by the people because of defamation of character. Uzoboshwa lowo
Like they did with adv Teffu
Another case that was high profile and was broadcast extensively in the country, is the Oscar Pistorius case.. I remember even today that that happened 14 February 2013... So if i remember that, is it questionable?
Im not following Gininda's Reasoning here
Mnisi phezu kwake Gininda Simula must come and explain to court
Gininda did nt 4lo the directions. He just wanted took arrest this accused persons without 4allowing the right procedure.
The suspects were working with Kelly according to gininda, why is Kelly not on stand?
Basazodila naye umiss K
It seems like you are not following the case. Gininda ukuvezile lokho ukuthi wazama ukuthola warrant of arrest for Kelly but I court ayimnikanga
Right there is the problem. I am following the case too well. Unfortunately there were no reason stated for the court not to grant for her arrest
Mr 2 percentage known as gininda tell him he must answer the questions not to explain even is yes , cause he is lying to the court of oath,he going fail the state
Judge Tavern refutes that he has never been in a tavern?
😂😂😂😂😂maybe lol akaze aye
It's just simple thing to remember the dates, why is it suspicious to Gininda if one recalls the date?
That’s a lie…u can’t remember everything
One will remember
The judge must give us a break with his distracting tactics. History not necessary here.
@bisisiwekalemba ... police investor koninja is what ought to be of concern to you..
Yes thank you 😅 Mnisi
Rata you got youth that must also enjoying life your time on earth is almost dun do the right thing plz
Gininda is not smart, mogane had already told him about the date
Mna i give up. Chicco must be a trillionaire he paid so many people in this casejust for Longwe who accidentally shot Chicco and shared his bag of money pic with Kelly and acc 3 so that he can frame all 5 accused, So Gininda, Ratha and Baloyi tried to cover up, took those 5 innocent people and took acc no3 s catridge or whatever was there and plant it so that even Kelly can be framed but Kelly cannot even say a word, she would rather go down for a person who accodentally shot Senzo. Nzoke ndiyixoxele umzukulwana wam lo una 2years.
My mistake- who shot Senzo i mean
Ntosh akho kwaLongwe wadubula uSenzo....umntu okholelwa lonto ukholelwa entsomini..,the person who shot Senzo is sitting there in court...if ngubani plz read between the lines...That 375 docket is a joke....21/11/2024
Yhooooo, i give up
Imagine😂. People don't have common sense anymore. 😂😂😂
Most people believe in hearsay evidence. That's y some of the defence are scared to come back to court to prove their evidence that they put in court
I agree but….whats wrong with this cop…he want to change the law to justify why he did not follow the legal steps about statements taken
And the judge is helping him.
This tell you it's true the accused were beaten to death forced to signed the confession written by Gininda himself
Ratha always colluding
How many times he had to read that Mnisi is just killing time
Even mxololo did read this warning statement on trial withn trial
Brigade Gininda is unaware he's throwing himself under the bus , things will work against him once Kelly is subpoenaed.
brigadier gininda is way too smart for these defence lawyers.even when mnisi tries to patronize him,he responds appropriately
Gininda is a genius and he understands the law, he eloquence in speech is superior to that of the defence, mnisi was a runflat tyre today as Gininda was cruising with him
What about the 2 point he asked the form from sap and the communication with the outside world he got gininda there
There is nothing like he is too smart but he’s lying and running away from the questions and this will make him not to come right in this case 🤞🏿
It is the court record that accused #2 said he did not want a legal representative. Now during the pandemic, when did the accused consult with mjiyako to represent him and for the so called plea bargain. And again, who arranged mjiyako to represent accused #2...😂😂😂
He used to get away but not this time is being exposed that his a crook/MAFIA Brigadier
I wonder which law lecturer taught Gininda the word "colloberate"?
And it sounds very foolish if you ask me
Mr Corroborate 😂😂😂😂
It's all over his Unisa assignments
uMnisi is a narcissistic and very rude, he is busy undermining the witnesses especially uBrig Gininda but mna andiboni sizathu sokubathathela phantsi Gininda is highly educated moss uyamdlula futhi
What are the Gininda's qualifications since you know what we don't know
What is their qualifications help me I am interested to know
It's lawyers tactics do not be personal or emotional😅
@SizweMaphumulo-g5g oh okay thank you for your explanation, i didn't know 🙏
The poor quality of defence lawyers is not helping the poor accused people’s case, although the state case doesn’t seem to have any legs in-spite of the biased judge and the forgery of evidence.
Show us ur LLB
Mnisi smile kills me
Baloyi wanted to run away from the mjiakho issue bcz of the so called plea deal negotiations with the state. Something is hanging and about to drop there
but bcz gininda explains too much he has landed them there. Now we must hear the plea deal negotiations, how it came about and how it ended.
He forgot he said ntanzi waived his right to an attorney and wanted to confess, voluntarily. He then confessed. Subsequently he was now introducing his lawyer and confessing to kronje
Labameli sebezidlela imali sebebuza nezinto ezingenamsebenzi sebecinga noma ngabe yiliphi iphutha ngoba phela ngeke kushintshe ukuthi uKelly waxhumana nabasolwa ukumosha nje ngamabomu imali yabakhokhi ntela bayanyanyisa ngento esobala ukuthi babize ababesendaweni yesigameko kufundwe ama sms ngabo kuboshwe abantu.
Kumele badleni??? 😒😒😒
@Khumalo indlela odidizela ngakhona mfo ai , awuke usebenzise umqondo
@@mzikayiseduncankhasibe1069uthini???? 🙃🙃
@ isiZulu asitolikwa
@mzikayiseduncankhasibe1069 asitolikwa makwenzenjan
What is the headline of the form saying gininda you are high profile police but explaining nonsense?
The forms can differ but the guidelines are the same. Eg if you go to hospital there are different forms of admission but one guideline on admossion of a client
Aaikhona its game over for all this guys gonindas testimony its on VVVip level if the leading IO was someone else i blv the outcome would be different thats why he came last bathi Save the best for Last👌🏽
Take away the confessions... There's no case...
Mjiyako was not a lawyer until 2022... The state will not call someone who will mess up their case... Just wasting state resources
Does the JP follow on this case closely? (such as he received a complaint which he found necessary to share with Judge RM) ... if so then there's need to evaluate kininga because this one seems to have mental challenges ... I think kininja is not well and is not fit (reputable) to stand before this court .
Defense must never have hope to masemula jp or NPA for this case. Look how the judge just laughed when mnisi said will call masemula. That laughed tells a lots
So form did Gininda used if there are different forms, bring it to the court, show up the signed copy.
Masithi asazi ukuthi who killed Senzo Meyiwa but my question is why the accused lies, like uSibiya uthi wayese makhaya nge 26th October 2014 but I record bank transection zithi ebese Goli, Ntanzi wayese msebenzini, for what going reason?
Sibiya whatever he said was true but Gininda changed everything to suit his narrative. I believed thjs guys were TOTURED to death
You guys keep on asking the very same question dt has been answered long time ago, those guys maybe criminals but did not kill Senzo Meyiwa, now answer this question why did Maphiri clean the crime scene on behalf of criminals?
Maybe Kelly asked her, if she is the mastermind, she willnot want evidence to be connected to her contract.. K**lers. Ndicinga if nguye that might be the reason
😮😮😮the state is shocking...
Mnisi: were you part of the discussion (yes or no)
Gininder explain..😢which school did Ginanda attend mara.Did he do grade 1???
@@Nseketelo12 Brigadier Gininda is not wrong by explaining, his the senior investigator of this matter, why are you get worried when he is explaining, where there is smoke there is fire ninezazela ngenkabi zenu, zange nivume siviswe I recording Ka Magistrate Cronje nina ninzulu
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you gotta love Niiiiisi mr BOMBASTIC💣 'unless you are creating your own little law in your little corner there'🤠hae we aint in church tlogela sermon and look at niisi coz he is yours and you are his(his&hers)😍sataforikans prptect Niiiisiii🙏🏿✝️
Hi/her/them oh I love Mnisi
@nombuzoedithmahlangu3755 lerato le mo phefong 🫶🏿
Power Brigadier I hear you very well 👏👏
One question one unser not one question bring history sory we listen a case not history please
Yes or no???? 🙄🙄
I miss advocate Mngoe
Mnisi wemvula 🙌🙌🙌🙌🤣🤣
The question to jininja is "do you know mr mjiyago?" Direct question for a Direct answer. No need for whether you worked with him or ever have come across him.
Gininda is plunging mnisi into disarray, Gininda can't answer by yes or no
Long unnecessary explanations always result into confusion. As an LLB student u need to stick to the questions asked for every one to be able to follow & not doze off to sleep😂
Defence teams knows that their clients are guilty because of all the evidence brought to court. They are just pushing time especially Mnisi. Ramosepele is very smart that's y he didn't waist his energy for defending these liers
You do know that a "yes" and "no" is not an answer but a way of incriminating yourself, right? An explanation is a way of driving a point home. How do you expect to conclude on a statement with half information that dwells on a certain narrative? Be impartial, and you will understand what is at play here
@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601which evidence are you talking about this people new they did not have any evidence that is why they ended on doing confession DNA everything took those guys away from that crime scene now wena what evidence are you talking about
@@Mbali-ho6bw We view this case differently and our opinions are also different. Some believe in hearsay evidence without prove and some listen to the evidence brought in court
😮 yhooo, pray one day this doesnt happen to you or your loved one.@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601
Why 89% of his answers are explained and given essences.?
Simply because u cannot plaster using sand only😂
@@puseletsomogale2964😅😅😅😅
But he might be smart but is not going to outsmart everyone
Can anyone ask gininda if he told baloi about the nongoma case because baloi introduced accused number 2 to the court he has no pending case and he has never been in any case other than this case.
Mnisi do you understand brigadier
Ginininda but ....yooh Mr long answers Mr but ..
Defence should call Mjiyakho
If they are really innocent... If they are not calling him that might mean they are not telling everything
@@goitsemodimoxiangxhilingla569They won't as he'll expose all lies from Ntanzi.
We need to be careful of calling witnesses that are not going to help the defence. Mjiyako is going to sink the accused. So let stay away from calling police commissioner. This is just waist of time. That guy was not even a commissioner of police when this case started.
There is a difference between interviewing WITNESSES at a crime scene vs interviewing SUSPECTS being it at a crime scene or not...😂😂
Is painful and difficult because the truth is that these guys were forced to sign the so called confessions and now they are trying to show the court that they didn't do it freely. Now this Mjiyako why is he not showing up so that people can believe that indeed is someone who is alive and who represented accused two in doing the confession.these guys were forced njheeee.
The defense refused to call mjiyako to court Mos 😂
The law doesn't allow a lawyer to be a witness
But the magistrate can be a witness not a lawyer according to law? Just asking
Unless Acc2 agree, client/lawyer confidentiality what what. Only the defence can call Mr Mjiyako. Theywill not call hiim🤞
@@samolesesa132 What I know is that Law society doesn't allow any Lawyer to be a witness. If you remember during Trial within a trial....Mjiyako letter was presented in court to confirm if he was a lawyer.
I like the team work of Sipho Ramosepele and Charles Mnisi
Why is it this case is full of former police employees who are testified as witnesses
True ..promotions and retirements
Mnisi and Mngomezulu won't finish this trial. They are in their own world.
So you don't want and know the truth if you think like that
Gininda answers even the questions that they are still going to ask . So doing he destroyed their plans. So they became frustrated.
Looool indeed
Is it about to finish or justice?
Justice is already been done, I only checking the path to the sentencing.
Gninda throw in the towel its baloy and CHICCO mess this go fetch spaza ppl
No No No Marike no damage or whatsoever was done to this witness.....viewed objectively he is cruising...21/11/2024
@@ThembaMayekiso-vk7ushe is not cruising he is just talking just to confuse people. Gininda is lying
The truth will never chsnge. Ginindas statement is still the same as in trial within atrial. Mr jokes can make jokes till kingdom comes but the punch is not there. Hey uyashayana uGininda, ipunch yake imbeta umntu aye le abhayize ati eteta ngeproformer abe eteta ngesibanye mine
Ntosh you are following this case properly I can hear you....21/11/2024
@@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us😂😂🤣🤣😭
Adv Mnisi please bring fact, to fight matter on hand than proving that you can speak English
Surprising that the question of coercion is not being discussed by the defence It was a big deal in the trial w/in a trial 😢
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤mnimisi we mvula
Linda Mnisi😢😢😢😢
Kudlalwa ngathi lapho, this is kids play ground
2:21 you brought that kind of behavior to the court.
This case has become a laughing matter so sad😢
Mjiyakho the gosth
Mnisi Ginindaz answer is very simple the only thing is to wait for explanation not to rush
For me I don't hear defense defending the accused ,all they are Saying is about the confesion statements hence some ppl are thinking his defending number 2....They are are throwing each other's clients under the bus...Just like their line of questioning is throwing Kelly under the the bus
Stand to differ
True, some people call it clever
They throwing Kelly cause they know its lies that they are giong to drop the charges against Kelly when the accused are found guilty and say the accused lied to protect their Master mind, if the state is serous Kelly would be on the dock😂😂
U not following
Thats why B.Proc was so difficult...u were never gonna pass.
Even the questions that are supposed to be answered by Baloyi, Gininda is ahead ot him "yes im writing my Lord, im only availableon Tues"😅
Ginida en baloyi the are cruel they talk about mjiyakho en Kelly but they don't wanna bring them to the court why they think we are stupid