@@PierceMDit was a business decision to buy the snacks to tempt him out and gain his trust. You can't just grab a feral Riley - the shock could really unsettle him. Depending how long he'd been in the dumpster, he may have invested significant time in de-cluttering it, and feel safe and comfortable.
Cheap tower air cooler for life. Used a CoolerMaster one for a long time, then upgraded to a Noctua a while back. It's been with me for two CPU upgrades already and my mid-range CPU still gets all the headroom it needs. Never going water cooling unless something changes drastically. Don't need that headache.
Rolled with a relatively cheap cooler master 212 for a really long time. Recently got a thermalright with the same design but only around $10 brand new. The time I tried water cooling AIO, I paid $100 and still have the pump die within a few months
Unless I go custom water cooling for aesthetics or extremely small form factor, I'm not touching water cooling personally. No hate just not worth it for me.
This raises an important question... we benchmark CPU performance per dollar to ridiculous standards but never take into account the price of the cooler. For example, could a 14700k with a stock cooler be a better choice for the same price than a 13600k with a nice cooler? Or any other combination of CPUs for that matter... Should we be testing CPUs with stock coolers as well as with 'adequate' cooling to actually be able to determine which combination of CPU and cooler is actually the best performance per dollar at a certain price point? Edit: 13600k->14600k
That would be an interesting test. Just seeing the difference between the stock cooler and a better one would already be a good enough indicator, I think. Edit: But also consider, that some CPUs are not delivered with a cooler at all.
In the UK the 14700K is around £380 the 13600K (which I own) is £299 + £10 for an Arctic i35 (I paid £30 for the A-RGB version) with a 200-1700RPM range I find it performs great for an overclocked 13600k. I've never come close to thermal throttling. For me the huge saving over the 14 series was worth it. I guess it really comes down to how much you'd drop on a cooler when the cheaper options perform exceedingly well.
@@Mohegan13Sorry I meant 14700k vs 14600k. Or in your case 13600k vs13700k. With your cooler you are almost at the price of the 13700k. The question was, would you be better off just getting the 13700k and using the stock cooler... More cores is probably going to give you much more performance than cooling an inferior chip. After all stock coolers don't really result in much thermal throttling at all these days.
You can usually get an adequate liquid cooler for 50 bucks these days. Or air coolers for 30 to 40 bucks. I don't think that price is high enough really to be the biggest factor. Especially if you can bring a cpu cooler with you to your next system.
@@vespaman101 What the hell are you talking about, the difference between 14600k and 14700k is literally 6 extra cores (8 threds) for just around $100 which is gonna be only about 10% of the total system cost! You can't say a cooler will give you anywhere near half of that performance.
As an old fart from the eighties, I never cease to be amazed that half, or maybe even more, of owning a PC nowadays is about tweaking and benchmarking rather than actually playing games. Reminds me of the gearheads whose cars are perpetually in their garages getting tiny tweaks for that extra third of a horsepower.
As long as you can fit it and the slightly more amount of noise isn't an issue (barely any to be honest with some tower air coolers), tower air coolers like the Noctua DH-15, are the simplest route for most builders in my opinion.
Originally bought the nh-d15 for my ryzen 2600 that i was overclocking and it dropped my temps by 20ºc. Cross decked it into my new am5 build and sits on my 7600x which run hot from the factory. Never have to worry about it with the v8 sitting on the top
I got an NHD15 because I knew it would last probably forever. The fans will eventually die, but the heatsink will last for years, decades even. If Noctua is still around, they'll keep making mounting hardware for it, so I'll keep using it.
@user-bf5qh3ih4u Yes but will it last long term? Is there any warranty for broken or malfunctioning parts? The cooler itself looks great but the fans look a bit on the cheap side. At the very least Noctua is a very trusted brand that will support its customers with 6 year warranty with free replacements and new mounting brackets. Also their fans are some of the best on the market and have been for awhile. The NF A12x25 fans are ridiculously powerful and also really quiet. I don't mind paying extra for tried, tested, and true products with amazing quality and amazing warranty support.
@@Hydra_X9K_Music thermalright are a very reputable brand. Their coolers are on par with other big names at a fraction of the price. I believe they’ve even been in the market a little longer than noctua.
@@Marauder-q2vConsidering the performance of a D15 is it will be able to handle the cooling needs of future processors with ease to the point that it will likely not even be something that will even come to mind with subsequent builds. Performance especially over the long term is value.
yeah especially nowadays when a cpu boosts untill it hits a certain temperature a bigger cooler can mean a lower temperature which means it can boost faster and longer
Heck I bought an i5 12500 2 years ago. Even that struggled with the stock cooler. And some of the AM4 based Ryzens I worked with actually started dropping boost clocks already upon reaching 65° C
I love my 240 AIO. It's so silent and never ramps up regardless of what kind of load I throw at it. The only kind of air that I ever feel out of my PC is cold air. It actually helps to cool my tiny apartment down a tiny bit during the summer which is kind of wild since most people say their PCs heat their homes.
@kingzach74 I can promise you that your pc isn't cooling down your apartment. That's not how physics work. Your Radiator sends out the heat from your cpu into the air. You're making the same, if not more, amount of heat energy by your cpu, even if it's hooked in a waterloop. The only exception is if you have your Radiator pointed out a window or something
Regarding stock coolers, the one from the old FX-8350 is definitely not enough. The processor burned itself along with the motherboard while running Prime 95 while I was ordering pizza. I had to fight my right for RMA since I didn't overclock it when it happened.
it's the motherboard, not the processor. Many people did not understand at the time, that you can't put a 125W CPU on a cheap motherboard with 5 or 6 phases. Besides, running Prime95 is still the worst thing you can do today, as it heats up the system even more than Premiere. If it can do video encoding, it will run everything just fine. Stop using Prime95 guys, just run the CPU-Z stress test; if that one runs fine, you're good to go for EVERYTHING - unless you're a NASA scientist ;p
I was getting temps of 60 C at idle in the BIOS with the stock cooler that came with my Ryzen 5 5600. Replaced that piece of junk with a Deepcool AK620 and lowered the temps all the way down to 30 C. Much quieter now, too. Totally worth the added expense, IMO.
It really depends, My room is chill & cool all the time, so the stock cooler with my Ryzen 5 5600 works like charm & still going strong, never above 40 C
probably some wrong configuration, or bad mounting. No way you get 60°C in the BIOS with the stock cooler, unless you've done something terribly wrong.
The intel stock cooler was cool but LOUD. For not a lot of money I reduced sound only. Its a non-OC CPU. If the stock cooler had been quiet I would have kept it.
that's because stup!d intel overclocks automatically too much on the Turbo, and goes beyond anything plausible! How the hell is anybody supposed to cool 250W?? Even big Noctuas struggle with these!
Air cooler for the win. Gonna last longer than liquid. Can't recommend overclocking if you got a K chip from intel, they push'em hard from factory. Last great oc chip I had was a AMD Phenom II 960T. 3.0ghz @ 4.0 overclock. Had 4.2ghz towards the end of using it and finding good bios settings. Also had a the celeron 366mhz @ 550mhz way back when overclocking took off.
I thought the same thing until I got a 12900k. I used a Noctua NHD15 with a 8700k (not overclocked) and never had a problem running Handbrake to convert videos. I built a new computer with a 12900k ( also not overclocked) and thought I'd save a few bucks and reuse my NHD15. A couple of minutes after starting Handbrake the computer would reach 90+ degrees. A few seconds after hitting 90 it would lower all the CPU core frequencies and the computer would cool off and hold at 85 to 90 degrees. I bought a DeepCool LT720 360mm AIO and my computer idles at 25 degrees and max temp of 55-60 degrees when running Handbrake.
@@xpodx This. Here's the actual reason most people get aftermarket solutions: Looks. It's the same reason trucks and SUVs have completely taken over (or at least in the US where I'm at). When vanity supersedes necessity, people can convince themselves the extra cost is worth it despite not actually _needing_ it (or even being hindered by it)
As a casual user, I'll stick with my stock cooler for now, but will consider upgrading if I delve into overclocking or hit thermal limits. Thanks for simplifying these concepts.
Totally. Stock cooling is designed for light and casual use. You only need better air cooling or an AIO if you are gaming or doing sustained heavy work loads
when i repllaced my ryzen 2600x with a 5700x i tried using the stock wraith cooler because i assumed due to the similar power usage id be fine...it was far from ok. id hit 77 80c which isnt throttling but still way hotter than my old ryzen 5 ran, until i bought an AIO, and now i get like 80c under full all core load at 4.4 ghz, and not when playing league of legends at locked 70 fps
@@hmello3250 My man, you have A LOT to learn. If you don't know what you are talking about, rather don't say anything as you are only misleading people. TJMax for Ryzen 5000 series is 95deg C and these chips are designed to boost to temps >80c.
Best decision I made was getting a thermalright assassin 120mm tower cooler. Cheap, amazing upgrade from stock and kept the chip nice and cool. And then got a 360 AIO for my birthday.
I had a 360mm AIO that died. Both my brothers (twins so identical pc too bought at the same time) had their 240 AIO die just a couple weeks before it. I got annoyed so bought the Thermal Assassin 120 for myself: Better cooling, less noise. Far more reliable. If it dies, only need to replace a fan. job done.
As someone who recently rebuilt my PC with a 7800X3D, saw temperatures hit 91C with my not-very-old U12S Redux, and proceeded to order a Thermalright Phantom Spirit based on Hardware Canuck's air cooler testing with a 7700x, I would say yes buy an aftermarket cooler even if your CPU includes a stock cooler. And maybe consider a dual-tower cooler if your CPU has a higher TDP than 65w.
What temps you getting now? And what price did you snag it at? I found a 360 aio for a really decent price of 55 bucks so I couldn’t pass it up cause it’s the look I like in my system, I’ve got the same processor so I’m curious.
@@uriahwilson5324 Sorry for the late reply, just now seeing this. Got the Phantom Spirit for I think 34USD on Amazon. Temps now don't exceed mid-70s while gaming.
My last build had a big noctua cooler. Performance was great, but my only issue with them is the physical size. They often cover the ram slots and make reaching certain connections impossible without removing that chonker first. That's the main reason I went with an aio liquid cooler this time. It's much easier to deal with for maintenance and upgrades. The noctua was quieter though, so I guess it just comes down to preference.
That way I see it is that better cooling allows a higher boost frequency, up to the rated max, but also to have more cores under load. If you are gaming with a modern GPU-bound title you might not need the extra CPU cooling, but if you are compiling code using 8 cores each at 100% load, then you probably want a “water” cooling solution. However, an aftermarket cooler that runs quietly is great for if you ever need extra cooling one day. Also of note is if you have a more efficient AMD CPU, or Intel.
The i7 13700k is also a toasty CPU, I started off with a coolermaster 240 closed loop cooler and it was thermal throttling even when it was only at %50 usage and was at 60c+ on idle. I have since switched to Lian Li 360 closed loop cooler and now at idle its around 35c and under full load it hovers around 90c so yeah with some CPUs you NEED a good cooler.
Absolutelly, but not so much. Ive spent some 200R$(like 40 dolars) on a thermaltake one i think and my 2600x went from 85 to hardly over 60 overclocked to run on 115w. Now I'm on a 5700x that cant run over 100w as far as i knoe so its very cool.
Stock coolers for AMD Ryzen CPUs aren't really jet engines, though they are far from silent. Now, Intel stock coolers... that's a whole lot different story 😁
After I bought 5600X in September 2021, I used stock cooler for a few months, along with stock fans that came with my case and I am telling you it was far from ideal. The CPU temps could get over 90 C. After a few months, I changed the case fans to Arctic P12 and that helped a little with the airflow, but I still got CPU temps over 80 in load. So, I went on and bought Fera 5 from, then, SilentiumPC, now Endorfy. Unless you are from Europe, you probably don't know this cooler, but here it is considered as ideal mid-range cooler, especially for CPUs, like 5600X. And it really helped. Very rarely I will get over 80 C, so, literally no thermal throttling anymore. and the noise level is also acceptable. So, while the stock cooler did its job, it was far from ideal even without overclocking and Fera 5 really did help me deal with the cooling issues I had. Of course, changing fans in my case for better airflow also helped. I am pretty sure Fera 5 itself wouldn't do such a good job if I kept my case's preinstalled fans. These things go hand in hand.
People buy AIOs to to temps in gaming, streaming, video content editing as it regulates the temps I the case alone air cooled fans are ok but some are to bit and wide and collide with other components but people like the AIOs for the lighting effects and with fans mounted in other parts of the pushes out the hot air circulating around the case but the case plays a major factor in it. If u a decent case with lot of ventilation then a air cooler will do the job
have two Cpu coolers from Corsair that are 9yrs old for how I never had an issue with them or with my ICUE H100i RGB pro XT. for how they are still running strong without issue for how I do not buy from MSI after seeing the failure rate they had. for how I only stick to products that I trust
My observation: Also longer reliability and life kept cooler. And a Thermalright assasin is not super expensive and helps a lot over stock. I have run stock to start before and drop 20 later on a cooler. I currently runn a 127090k and picked up a Thermalright 360 AIO ($52) and so far has been solid. Keeps the temp extremely well conrolled even under load.
The back plate spreads that weight over a rather large area so damage to mobo is very unlikely. Agreed AIO is less noisy at load but typically more noisy at idle. Very depended on how it was set up as well.
@@ouroesa My Corsair h100i v2 AIO is nearly imperceptible at idle. I can't even hear it when I put my ear up to my case. Granted it has a zero DB mode when not under heavy load but a lot of AIOs have that feature now. Most of the time my Fridge is significantly louder than my PC even under load.
@@ouroesa I had a Mobo die after my computer case fell from knee high while moving houses. I blame the aliexpress tower cooler (it worked like a champ though). Now I run a stock AMD cooler but instead of runing the stock one that came with my 3600x I am using the bigger one that came with the Ryzen 7. I bought it for 5€ from a guy that installed an AIO. Best bang for the buck, more than enough cooling for regular use and RGB. 🤣
The legendary NH-D15 from Noctua was unable to cool my Ryzen 5950X adequately. I had to get an AIO CPU Liquid Cooler unfortunately... no RGB this time. 🤪
I have a small case with a 5700G and nvidia 3600 And I bought a 120mm AIO Watercooler and I am very happy. I placed it at the back of the case and it blows the hot air from the CPU out. The whole system runs quieter and cooler now
I use a Ryzen 5600 with a MASTERAIR MA620P (beefy air cooler) and a water-cooled 3090 with it. I use them to work and play games, but working with them is the main reason that I bought them. I am safe whenever I need to do any intensive work for long periods... like 90-100% loads for 5 hours without rest, they will easily stay below 60C. It's all about what you are doing.
Yes, Alot of motherboard companies enable settings in UEFI that automatically OC and then you also have the EXPO/DOCP/XMP that is also considered an OC according to Intel and AMD. Honestly it depends, What are you going to do with your Computer? Gaming? Then yeah get a high end cooler for consistency of framerates, If you are a musician recording You probably want a watercooling system that will allow you to run a whisper quiet PC, Video? you might need the overhead depending on if you are using the Integrated GPU for acceleration on top of hammering all the cores.
I built a Ryzen 2700 System in 2019. Did not bother with the stock cooler but put a Noctua 120mm air cooler on it. It was alright, but seemed to struggle to hold max boost even though the temperature was still in the high 60's centigrade. I bought a 140mm Noctua cooler (one bigger) and it took off about 5 degrees of the CPU and it boosted higher and hat better performance in benchmarks. I noticed similiar effects with several Ryzen CPU's from 2000 to 5000 series. My evidence may be anecdotal but I do definitely recommend getting an aftermarket cooler, ideally one with enough thermal mass to absorb load spikes. I do agree that watercooling seems really unnecessary unless high end or overclocking.
Great exploration of multiple angles on the topic! I liked that you also threw in whether to use an older stock cooler or whether extra cooling overhead prolongs processor life. For fun I'll mention that from 2010 I gamed on an Intel Core i7 980X for about 7 years and continued to use that machine with zero issues in performance. I'm sure the people that got that system are still using it today. Stuff lasts longer than we necessarily need it to.
For reference: I bought a cheap preabuilt pc. It has asus prime b450m-a motherboard. I updated the BIOS yesterday. It also has AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor 3.60 GHz. With a little overclock fiddling (PBO) in the BIOS with most settings left untouched (so I don't brick the pc) I run a OCCT test and get an average 3.88-3.9 GHz speed and 1.3V power at a cool temp of 85C (95C is max reported by manufacturer). At lower temps I get 4-4.1GHz speed. This seamless 0.4 GHz increase sounds pretty good for someone who doesn't try to break world records and just wants to game without spending much money. I have a stock fan-on-top-of-funny-heatsink setup to work 100% at 60C and above, and a manual throttle limit of 85C. I got these values in OCCT stability test.
I tried using stock cooler that came with my Ryzen 5600 on a new 5800x3d. It took like 10 mins for it to hit 90 degreess and start throtthling. I undervolted the CPU and it stabilized around 80 degrees during game play. But it was still too hot and I knew it wouldn't stay at that level when the weather gets hotter. I finally bought a deepcool AK620. Now the temperature is around 60 degrees during gameplays which is much lower than I expected and I'm very happy with it.
I disagree. Put on a big air tower cooler, e.g. the biggest Noctua, and you will have a silent, reliable and enduring cooling solution for many CPU generations to come. Other components will also benefit.
I got an aftermarket cooler (back in 2017) less for the CPU temps, but more for the airflow of my case. Normal mid-tower. The GPU dumps out heat like its trying to recreate a perfect environment for cooking a turkey. The stock cooler blew air up at the glass and tended to make the through-flow really turbulent when it met the GPU flow. Back then, I could have gotten some super expensive fans to force a better flow, or I could get a cheapo CPU cooler tower that was more inline with the flow. Went for obvious choice. $20 of 2017 money and the GPU dropped in temp and the whole case flow was better! (Could be just be my case configuration, as I'm sure this prolly wouldn't affect most ppl's setups!) (Side note: CPU not overclocked, but GPU is in a round-about kinda way)
Noise level is all I care about. I always install a large-diameter fans and noctua air cooler when I build. I run my computer 24/7 and I can't hear it at all unless I'm gaming with the GPU. I also haven't bothered to overclock since Sandy Bridge.
Use a copper pipe fan cooler from Cooler Master and it has been doing really well. Can't complain about sound either. And it wasnt expensive either. And my CPU is an intel 9th gen. Still running modern games just fine.
I just play games at realistic settings at stock speeds, and everything works great. I don't do any high end graphic rendering or video / photo editing. My Ryzen 3 3200g has been running stock since mid 2020, and it's trucking along just fine.
I don't overclock anymore, but i overbuild cooling solutions because i don't want to hear my pc even when holding my ear to it while using it to the max
I design and overbuild my systems because, like you, I don't want to hear The Battle of the Fans, but in addition, I want my CPU running COLD. As a result, my CPU rarely exceeds 40 C even when gaming, and my 2080 Super GPU rarely exceeds 50 C. Cold components perform better, and last much longer, regardless of the BS spewed here. 'nuff said.
To be perfectly honest, I bought a water cooling block for looks. Literally the only RGB on the system is the water block with the LCD screen. Everything else is gray and black since I got a nice screen that is shiny instead of matte. I might try a tiny bit of overclocking, but I'm not expecting a big boost. My last system could not physically overclock because I was using a Ryzen 2000 series board with a Ryzen 3000 series chip. I'll figure it out depending on the thermals under load.
I don't remember the last time I bought a cpu that included a cooler. I always buy a noctua fan and heatsink; I've heard too many horror stories about AIO
i would say that a decent cooler can boost preformance by a bit. Since most cpu's nowadays boost untill they hit a certain temperature for amd this is like 90-95 degrees celsius and for the v-cache chips this is a bit lower 80-85 degrees C. So if you hit those temperatures there might be more preformance to squeeze out of the cpu cuz when you get under those temps you know it will boost almost always. this has some other factors involved tho cuz during gaming my 7800x3d never goes above 65 degrees C while doing a cinebench run it hits 82 Degrees C so if youre going after just gaming preformence a good cooler is a tad bit less important then when you do heavy cpu workloads. I personally use a Thermalright peerless assasin 120 for my 7800x3d and its a great cooler for 30-40 bucks. its a 120 mil dual tower dual fan cooler so well worth the money
When i build my first pc i fought with the temps of my 3800X on prime 95 at 4.5ghz all core. Needed like 2 months to get it that cooling at these chips is mostly limedet to the 7nm factoring with watercooler
Yeah, a AIO is worth it... not so much for temps going down, you might as well get a good Air cooler to get the same results but if you want to add some bling while not fully going costume and want your PC to run really quiet... they are a godsend(especially when you find a good deal and your Fractal Design AIO and it costs less then most 2 fan Noctua coolers)
my stock cooler for i5 11400f was reaching over 80C at gaming, so a overkill cooler was a no brainer i bought a used Gammaxx 400 V2 at 15$ and very happy with it. cpu doesn't go nowhere near above 62C
2:24 when I built my PC I made this mistake, the PC came with an i3-4150, swapped it for an i7-4790K, kept the i3 cooler, big mistake, 100°C at barely 50% usage
I switched to an AIO in September from my NHD15S after 4 trusty years of service. I bought my revision 1 AIO in September and it failed last week... RMA was supposed to send tracking info for the new revision 2, that was 8 business days ago. Still waiting,.. I ended up buying another AIO. Only reason I'm not using my air cooler is because it doesn't fit with a vertical mount GPU.
i just use any 65 watt cpu and air cooling (noctua/ be quiet) and it lasted me for years. the only thing i need to change whenever i have problem with my cpu cooler is the fans. Im waiting for the day when air cooler, with advancement of tech, have an easier way to change its fan. like just slot in or something
Just tested a $20 Thermalright Assasin X R SE with an overclocked Ryzen 5 2600 pulling 115W and keeping cool at just under 51C. Even with a 150W CPU, like an old Xeon, I think temps would still only be around 60C, maybe a little more. Not bad for a thin, single fin stack. You might get a little more fan noise. Nowadays, intel is putting out 300W CPUs. But some air coolers can handle that, usually at a lower price point than an AIO and with greater long term reliability. The Wraith Stealth that came with my 5600X was completely unsuitable for the CPU and had it hitting more than 90C in stress testing.
I went custom water loop after my aio pump died. I no longer like the idea of not knowing what is happening inside and not really being simple to fix it. A new water pump is like 15 dollars. The waterblocks may be a bit more on the expensive side but you only need the cpu one and a radiator. Granted, now I have tons of radiators and waterblocks for cpu, gpu,ram and ssd but everything works better and its just switching a small part if you change a component.
Aftermarket coolers is almost always wort it to me (Ryzen Wrath Max was not too bad). Just get a half decent tower cooler. Water cooling on the other hand is a bit more tricky. I got an 360 AIO (Deepcool LT720) it barely any better than my 5 year old CM Hyper 212 that was held on my 2 screws and a ziptie. It's also louder at idle. Only place it seems to edge out the win is at benchmarks or anything that puts 100% synthetic load on the CPU (I don't do any rendering etc but that might fall into this space). I manually overclock my CPU and was only able to lift the PPT from 120w to 140w (which makes very little difference with my CPU - 5700x). Anything more than 140w starts throttling.
aah yes, a week ago I upgraded from my intel stock cooler to an NH D15, and it's a world of difference! although part of it is that my GPU no longer fits in the slot because my motherboard sucks... but it runs faster, it runs cooler, it runs silent. amazing!
I have a Plex server with a basic i5-11400 (so no overclocking) that would ALWAYS thermal throttle whenever Plex did its background stuff when using the stock cooler. I put a $17 Thermalright cooler on it and that's no longer an issue. I'll never use included coolers again
My stock cooled 5600x sounds like a jet from doing anything, even just opening chrome. Definitely getting a decent air cooler when I build a new PC later this year.
I don't overclock but I do typically buy a bit better cooler just to keep things running cooler in general. I always shoot for no more than 120F. Aggressive fan profiles.
I think you missed to mention that a stock cooler could greatly improve your CPU thermals if you want to keep using a case that doesn't have enough or good airflow. Having an AiO exhaust the hot air outside instead of throwing it all inside the case can help a lot while you finally decide to also improve your case
my toxic trait is that i want to buy a liquid cooler for my ryzen 5 5600 while being 100% aware that the stock cooler [or at most a cheap aftermarket 1 fan air cooler is perfectly fine
just get a thermal peerless assassin 120 SE for 30 dollars. Pretty much the best cooler for everyday things. You only, really, need an expensive cooler, or some sort of custom water cooler, if you plan on overclocking. I have a 5800x3d processor and my PA 120 SE keeps it at 27c idle and 60-62c under load with underclockinging of -20.
I set my RGB to red-orange when gaming because it means it is radiating more heat. I know because my electric stove also turns that color when it is hot, i've touched it before.
Went from a 2700x to a 5800x and used the same stock cooler, though I definately wanted something quieter. Ended up putting all my old parts in a PC for my brother on christmas and needed a cooler, so I ended up using the stock cooler and used it as an excuse to get a NH-D15 Chromax.
I bought a cheap 5 pipe tower cooler after the stock cooler for my 2700x died, noticeable improvement, cable tied an extra fan to it and there are now 8 fans in the case, (11 including gpu) so its pretty windy in there.
Yeah, I'd agree that for most consumers the stock coolers are enough. Most people I'd wager don't OC and aren't running intensive workloads for prolonged periods. And something like an i5/R5 will probably do well enough with the stock cooler it came with. I'd argue that you even get diminishing returns with an aftermarket cooler after some point. Paying however much for a 1dB noise reduction or 1-2C lower temp. avg. And then there's paying more for a certain brand or for RGB. Don't get me wrong, I go for whatever name brand cooler with some RGB fans personally but if money is the chief concern there are budget options that net pretty darn close performance to some of the top shelf offerings. If we're talking high-end CPUs of course you want something comparable and not cheap out all the way to the bottom of the barrel, but for the average middle of the road computer it doesn't need an AIO pushing $300 unless they really want it for looks or something. Now as for Intel's OEM push-pin CPU coolers, I hate those things. A screw-in alternative with a backplate is pretty much always better IMHO.
I recall paying 50 dollars for an aftermarket CPU cooler, a medium sized air cooler, and my i7-8700k would hit 80C at only 20 percent usage... 95C-101C when it hit 30 percent usage before throttling or shutting off automatically. Paid about 60 dollars a few years later for a basic AIO (albeit a 240mm instead of a 120mm as I had enough of the cpu's bs lmao) and now it can reach 100 percent usage and still hang around 90C-95C; I have yet to see it thermal throttle due to the radiator. I was rather happy finding a "good deal" during the chip shortage on a "coffee" lake cpu, saying how it must be the one I need, as I love coffee (was actually a joke, and specs seemed best for the performance range and budget at the time); I had no idea when I read that coffee lake chips run hot, they meant they run HOT, and for years I just dealt with the 30 percent usage limit on my cpu, even going so far as to try and undervolt it to better manage the temps.
I like my air cooler (BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4), but I have to admit I have to sigh in annoyance whenever I have to clean my PC because it's like removing Doom 3's Soul Cube from my PC every time I need to get underneath it. The size of the thing may just be the only mark against it.
I use an AMD Prism cooler, with good case cooling, and while playing Fortnite at 240FPS while streaming, I hit 60°C Ryzen 5800X3D and fans still quiet. I thought I was going to need another cooler but I think not.
"Can you extant the Life of you CPU by getting a after Market Cooler?" "The Answer is probably no" What? The Answer is Yes. Why? After Market Cooler can the CPU better cool and so becomes the Lifetime of the CPU a expanse. The level of heat is the aging effect by a CPU.
Have used a Corsair H105 since 2016 and still going strong with my AMD 7800X3D. I will be upgrading it though cause I think I've gotten my monies worth out of it. I used a custom curve for the AIO instaed of it running at 100 percent all the time so I think that's why the pump has lasted, and I changed out the fans with noctua's so overall I think I did good. =)
My custom watercooling loop cools the cpu about as well as the 240mm aio I had previously, but putting my graphics card in the loop drastically reduced gpu hotspot temps.
Thanks for this! Unfortunately, i'm letting NZXT do me a custom AMD build. Their cooling options in the build menu are limited. They only show one air cooler in the list that, i hope, they think will cool my Ryzen 7800x3d - the one they show is their own T20. It doesn't look like much to me but IDK. The only other cooling solution would be their Kraken line of AOIs Therefore, i may have to liquid cool for the first time in my life. Do you happen to know about that T20 air cooler? Thanks and again, loved the helpful video.
Planning an upgrade from this i7-6700 + GTX-750-Ti (+Linux Mint) to the upcoming R9 9950X + (inexpensive (cough) recent low end Radion GPU). The last round of R9 would get to 95C and throttle, and people lost their minds about it. AMD responded that that's what it was designed to do. Better cooling / more cooling capacity will result in better performance, but the chip will aim to clock up to the thermal limit. It is a little early to say, but I would imagine the situation with the Zen 5 chips is going to be more or less the same. I also notice that after making the NH-D15 unchanged for nearly a decade, Noctua plan to release a newer version of it. It will have more heat pipes and closer fin pitch, better fans... I'm planning a next-gen D-15 to go in my 9950X. Would I get a bit more cooling capacity if I stole a radiator out of a Mack truck? Yes, possibly I would. But then I would have liquid flowing through my very expensive electronic toy, and after 20+ years of driving taxis on night-shift, I can recount stories of heater / demister cores / heater pipes that burst and leaked in behind the dashboard... I don't want to repeat that in my fancy very high end personal desktop. There are other big air coolers that are nearly as good as the current D15, but Noctua are working on a new one, and I have faith. On this old Intel box, a custom Linux kernel compile takes about 9 minutes. If you're curious, I recorded one a couple of years back, and posted it, so go to my channel and have a look. With the 16 cores and 32 treads, I'm hoping to be able to do that again in about 35 ~ 40 seconds. Do I need that level of performance? Do you need that Ferrari? I want a new and improved Noctua NH-D15. I would say a 410mm cooler has a bit more capacity, but a 300mm cooler is roughly the same. Anything smaller than that, I'd bet on the D15. As long as it can stay under 95 C for about 2 minutes at full load, with all the self-clocking and turbo-boost and stuff turned on (not full manual overclock, which over-rides all that) then I'm happy.
I was gonna get a new ATX PC case since my entire mATX PC was overheating, but then I just bought a couple noctua fans and it's 20 degrees cooler. Definitely not a waste of money. Stock CPU fans are terrible.
We should only get aftermarket coolers for noise. Stock CPU coolers are noisy, and you should get one that can cool your cpu by making as little noise as your gpu. It's not worth it to get a overkill cpu cooler if your GPU keeps running louder. Usually this falls around the 30-50 dollar CPU Coolers for "regular" 65-125W CPUs Artic Freezer 34 is a good place to start
I kept the Wraith Prism cooler until the clip broke when trying to clamp it down the CPU after a routine repaste. I was super pissed. I loved the RGB on it, and just the way it looked in my case. Don't understand why they use plastic clips for the tension mechanism.....
I had 90 celsius on dead space remake with multistream via OBS. cpu 7800x3d, aio cooler corsair capellix h150i, paste: thermal grizzly kryonaut, pc case: lian li dynamic XL (without pc case fans), ambient temp around 27 celsius.
The question is if I live in tropical country with average daytime temperature of ~30°C and I'm not a fan of using AC and prefer natural airflow helped with an exhaust fan, can a big heatsink cooler help in my case? I'm considering something like Ryzen 5 5600x or anything on par
Considering the only stock cooler I ever tried to use was dead out of the box, I don't even bother using them. They're built to be as cheap as possible which to me means poor tolerances, low quality parts like fan motors and little care about noise. For $30-50 you can get a cooler that can be used on multiple builds if you get adapter plates it just makes more sense to get way better performance and longevity than the pack-in.
50 bucks sounds cheap if you're american. For a lot of other countries, you just don't have that kind of budget to spend on a cooler, especially since a stock one or very cheap option proves more than adequate.
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Cheap tower air cooler for life. Used a CoolerMaster one for a long time, then upgraded to a Noctua a while back. It's been with me for two CPU upgrades already and my mid-range CPU still gets all the headroom it needs. Never going water cooling unless something changes drastically. Don't need that headache.
Since when is Noctua cheap? You can get a Jonsbo one for about 11$ and it has aRGB
@@g00ts compared to basically any decent water cooling, a $50 knock to a tower cooler is cheap.
Rolled with a relatively cheap cooler master 212 for a really long time. Recently got a thermalright with the same design but only around $10 brand new.
The time I tried water cooling AIO, I paid $100 and still have the pump die within a few months
100% agree. Got a fairly decent AIO cooler and was very disappointed vs my old CM Evo 212
Unless I go custom water cooling for aesthetics or extremely small form factor, I'm not touching water cooling personally. No hate just not worth it for me.
This raises an important question... we benchmark CPU performance per dollar to ridiculous standards but never take into account the price of the cooler. For example, could a 14700k with a stock cooler be a better choice for the same price than a 13600k with a nice cooler? Or any other combination of CPUs for that matter... Should we be testing CPUs with stock coolers as well as with 'adequate' cooling to actually be able to determine which combination of CPU and cooler is actually the best performance per dollar at a certain price point?
Edit: 13600k->14600k
That would be an interesting test. Just seeing the difference between the stock cooler and a better one would already be a good enough indicator, I think.
Edit: But also consider, that some CPUs are not delivered with a cooler at all.
In the UK the 14700K is around £380 the 13600K (which I own) is £299 + £10 for an Arctic i35 (I paid £30 for the A-RGB version) with a 200-1700RPM range I find it performs great for an overclocked 13600k. I've never come close to thermal throttling. For me the huge saving over the 14 series was worth it. I guess it really comes down to how much you'd drop on a cooler when the cheaper options perform exceedingly well.
@@Mohegan13Sorry I meant 14700k vs 14600k. Or in your case 13600k vs13700k. With your cooler you are almost at the price of the 13700k. The question was, would you be better off just getting the 13700k and using the stock cooler... More cores is probably going to give you much more performance than cooling an inferior chip. After all stock coolers don't really result in much thermal throttling at all these days.
You can usually get an adequate liquid cooler for 50 bucks these days. Or air coolers for 30 to 40 bucks. I don't think that price is high enough really to be the biggest factor. Especially if you can bring a cpu cooler with you to your next system.
@@vespaman101 What the hell are you talking about, the difference between 14600k and 14700k is literally 6 extra cores (8 threds) for just around $100 which is gonna be only about 10% of the total system cost! You can't say a cooler will give you anywhere near half of that performance.
As an old fart from the eighties, I never cease to be amazed that half, or maybe even more, of owning a PC nowadays is about tweaking and benchmarking rather than actually playing games. Reminds me of the gearheads whose cars are perpetually in their garages getting tiny tweaks for that extra third of a horsepower.
Only a small subset of people are like this, barely anyone else cares. Imagine gaming rig enthusiasts are the linux users of the online pc community
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As long as you can fit it and the slightly more amount of noise isn't an issue (barely any to be honest with some tower air coolers), tower air coolers like the Noctua DH-15, are the simplest route for most builders in my opinion.
I use a noctua nh-D15 cooler with a rx 7800 Xt and ryzen 9 5950x, I can't even hear the cpu cooler under load.
@@eequalswtf6281 Isn't it wonderful? Well worth the ouchy in price and can be reused in future builds.
Noise (acoustics) is the reason that I have to use a simple aftermarket air cooler for the CPU.
Originally bought the nh-d15 for my ryzen 2600 that i was overclocking and it dropped my temps by 20ºc. Cross decked it into my new am5 build and sits on my 7600x which run hot from the factory. Never have to worry about it with the v8 sitting on the top
Nh d15 is way overkill. Most people only need a single tower. A Thermalright costs under £20. The D15 is £100. Spend the difference on a better GPU
I got an NHD15 because I knew it would last probably forever. The fans will eventually die, but the heatsink will last for years, decades even. If Noctua is still around, they'll keep making mounting hardware for it, so I'll keep using it.
And that 6 year warranty is amazing if for some reason something does fail during that time
Dunno if the value proposition is there. You could buy 3 peerless assassins with that same price
@user-bf5qh3ih4u Yes but will it last long term? Is there any warranty for broken or malfunctioning parts? The cooler itself looks great but the fans look a bit on the cheap side. At the very least Noctua is a very trusted brand that will support its customers with 6 year warranty with free replacements and new mounting brackets. Also their fans are some of the best on the market and have been for awhile. The NF A12x25 fans are ridiculously powerful and also really quiet. I don't mind paying extra for tried, tested, and true products with amazing quality and amazing warranty support.
@@Hydra_X9K_Music thermalright are a very reputable brand. Their coolers are on par with other big names at a fraction of the price. I believe they’ve even been in the market a little longer than noctua.
@@Marauder-q2vConsidering the performance of a D15 is it will be able to handle the cooling needs of future processors with ease to the point that it will likely not even be something that will even come to mind with subsequent builds.
Performance especially over the long term is value.
Considering the ryzen 7000 series runs hot. Yes it helps alot. As well as 13th and 14th gen intel run very hot as well
yeah especially nowadays when a cpu boosts untill it hits a certain temperature a bigger cooler can mean a lower temperature which means it can boost faster and longer
Pbo is your friend
Yeah I can confirm my i9-14900KF does run hot even with the biggest air cooler.
Meanwhile my old I5-4670k was fine at 5.2GHz overclock on a 212 evo XD
@bablela26 how old is your 4670k. Not familiar with it. Also brave for even having a big air cooler.
Heck I bought an i5 12500 2 years ago. Even that struggled with the stock cooler.
And some of the AM4 based Ryzens I worked with actually started dropping boost clocks already upon reaching 65° C
Techquickie, great for when the answer to a question is "It depends".
Living in Australia, an after-market cooler is nesecarry even in winter. Even without any overclocking
Running a 240 AIO on my latest build, and the fact my workload temps are what my air cooled rig used to see at idle was quite something...
I love my 240 AIO. It's so silent and never ramps up regardless of what kind of load I throw at it. The only kind of air that I ever feel out of my PC is cold air. It actually helps to cool my tiny apartment down a tiny bit during the summer which is kind of wild since most people say their PCs heat their homes.
You still get GPU fan noise so I don't really think a cpu cooler needs to be a lot quieter than a GPU. A AIO that big is overkill
@kingzach74 I can promise you that your pc isn't cooling down your apartment. That's not how physics work. Your Radiator sends out the heat from your cpu into the air. You're making the same, if not more, amount of heat energy by your cpu, even if it's hooked in a waterloop. The only exception is if you have your Radiator pointed out a window or something
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i need to lie down after reading this one
that AIO do sound nice tho
Either you run on stock air cooler or you have a shitty air cooler.
Regarding stock coolers, the one from the old FX-8350 is definitely not enough. The processor burned itself along with the motherboard while running Prime 95 while I was ordering pizza. I had to fight my right for RMA since I didn't overclock it when it happened.
certified FX moment
I still have my 8120 and 8320 but I never ran stock coolers on either.
it's the motherboard, not the processor. Many people did not understand at the time, that you can't put a 125W CPU on a cheap motherboard with 5 or 6 phases. Besides, running Prime95 is still the worst thing you can do today, as it heats up the system even more than Premiere. If it can do video encoding, it will run everything just fine. Stop using Prime95 guys, just run the CPU-Z stress test; if that one runs fine, you're good to go for EVERYTHING - unless you're a NASA scientist ;p
10+ Years already and my Noctua D-14 still works :) Currently AM5 and R5 7600
I was getting temps of 60 C at idle in the BIOS with the stock cooler that came with my Ryzen 5 5600. Replaced that piece of junk with a Deepcool AK620 and lowered the temps all the way down to 30 C. Much quieter now, too. Totally worth the added expense, IMO.
It really depends, My room is chill & cool all the time, so the stock cooler with my Ryzen 5 5600 works like charm & still going strong, never above 40 C
probably some wrong configuration, or bad mounting. No way you get 60°C in the BIOS with the stock cooler, unless you've done something terribly wrong.
The intel stock cooler was cool but LOUD. For not a lot of money I reduced sound only. Its a non-OC CPU. If the stock cooler had been quiet I would have kept it.
that's because stup!d intel overclocks automatically too much on the Turbo, and goes beyond anything plausible! How the hell is anybody supposed to cool 250W?? Even big Noctuas struggle with these!
Air cooler for the win. Gonna last longer than liquid.
Can't recommend overclocking if you got a K chip from intel, they push'em hard from factory.
Last great oc chip I had was a AMD Phenom II 960T. 3.0ghz @ 4.0 overclock. Had 4.2ghz towards the end of using it and finding good bios settings.
Also had a the celeron 366mhz @ 550mhz way back when overclocking took off.
Looks ugly imo though.
@@xpodx Yeah, those tubes from AIO inside your PC look absolutely ugly.
@SunnyHunny74 mine are white and have tube combs, looks sick! Mines a phanteks 240mm glacier.
I thought the same thing until I got a 12900k. I used a Noctua NHD15 with a 8700k (not overclocked) and never had a problem running Handbrake to convert videos. I built a new computer with a 12900k ( also not overclocked) and thought I'd save a few bucks and reuse my NHD15. A couple of minutes after starting Handbrake the computer would reach 90+ degrees. A few seconds after hitting 90 it would lower all the CPU core frequencies and the computer would cool off and hold at 85 to 90 degrees. I bought a DeepCool LT720 360mm AIO and my computer idles at 25 degrees and max temp of 55-60 degrees when running Handbrake.
@@xpodx This. Here's the actual reason most people get aftermarket solutions: Looks. It's the same reason trucks and SUVs have completely taken over (or at least in the US where I'm at). When vanity supersedes necessity, people can convince themselves the extra cost is worth it despite not actually _needing_ it (or even being hindered by it)
As a casual user, I'll stick with my stock cooler for now, but will consider upgrading if I delve into overclocking or hit thermal limits. Thanks for simplifying these concepts.
Totally. Stock cooling is designed for light and casual use.
You only need better air cooling or an AIO if you are gaming or doing sustained heavy work loads
when i repllaced my ryzen 2600x with a 5700x i tried using the stock wraith cooler because i assumed due to the similar power usage id be fine...it was far from ok. id hit 77 80c which isnt throttling but still way hotter than my old ryzen 5 ran, until i bought an AIO, and now i get like 80c under full all core load at 4.4 ghz, and not when playing league of legends at locked 70 fps
, that cpu is gonna become e-waste before any silicon degradation caused by it running at 80c
@@hmello3250 My man, you have A LOT to learn. If you don't know what you are talking about, rather don't say anything as you are only misleading people.
TJMax for Ryzen 5000 series is 95deg C and these chips are designed to boost to temps >80c.
Best decision I made was getting a thermalright assassin 120mm tower cooler. Cheap, amazing upgrade from stock and kept the chip nice and cool.
And then got a 360 AIO for my birthday.
Their stuff is the best. Top of the line performance and 1/3 the cost of other top of the line coolers.
I had a 360mm AIO that died. Both my brothers (twins so identical pc too bought at the same time) had their 240 AIO die just a couple weeks before it.
I got annoyed so bought the Thermal Assassin 120 for myself: Better cooling, less noise. Far more reliable. If it dies, only need to replace a fan. job done.
Yep! My PA120 is awesome on my 5800X, even with a decent OC (top 1% on 3D Mark CPU Profile) my temps are great and you can't beat the price!
@@pcgamer1206 my cpu never goes over 65c even in the really hot summer here. With AIO it did get higher (before it broke, obviously). 11600K no OC
Picked up the Assassin 120 SE for roughly $35 to go with my Ryzen 7 5800x3D since that one doesn't have a cooler in the box.
As someone who recently rebuilt my PC with a 7800X3D, saw temperatures hit 91C with my not-very-old U12S Redux, and proceeded to order a Thermalright Phantom Spirit based on Hardware Canuck's air cooler testing with a 7700x, I would say yes buy an aftermarket cooler even if your CPU includes a stock cooler. And maybe consider a dual-tower cooler if your CPU has a higher TDP than 65w.
What temps you getting now? And what price did you snag it at? I found a 360 aio for a really decent price of 55 bucks so I couldn’t pass it up cause it’s the look I like in my system, I’ve got the same processor so I’m curious.
@@uriahwilson5324 Sorry for the late reply, just now seeing this. Got the Phantom Spirit for I think 34USD on Amazon. Temps now don't exceed mid-70s while gaming.
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Get a NH-D15 or equivalent cooler and use it for 15 years and like 4 builds
That’s what I did with the Hyper 212 😂😂😂😂 since 2015, and just last year got an AIO kit😂😂
My last build had a big noctua cooler. Performance was great, but my only issue with them is the physical size. They often cover the ram slots and make reaching certain connections impossible without removing that chonker first. That's the main reason I went with an aio liquid cooler this time. It's much easier to deal with for maintenance and upgrades. The noctua was quieter though, so I guess it just comes down to preference.
@@bodiwire NH-D15S or NH-U12A have better clearance with similar performance
@@mezu-e also the C14S is a sleeper hit, great little cooler!
I bought my NH-D15 in 2013, went to a second build and it will surely go to a third build!
That way I see it is that better cooling allows a higher boost frequency, up to the rated max, but also to have more cores under load.
If you are gaming with a modern GPU-bound title you might not need the extra CPU cooling, but if you are compiling code using 8 cores each at 100% load, then you probably want a “water” cooling solution.
However, an aftermarket cooler that runs quietly is great for if you ever need extra cooling one day.
Also of note is if you have a more efficient AMD CPU, or Intel.
3:45 I had one of those FX 6300 and it absolutely was a jet engine, outrageously loud
I just swapped out my NZXT Kraken for a Noctua DH-15; the Kraken could not keep up with my 5950X but the Noctua keeps it below 80C even under load.
Ol' MacDonald had a CPU. AI-AIO!
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Haha
A better fit for the same rhythm/syllables would be to replace CPU with "chip", or "Ol' MacDonald's CPU". Still had a chuckle.
Lmao #iseewhatudidthere
The i7 13700k is also a toasty CPU, I started off with a coolermaster 240 closed loop cooler and it was thermal throttling even when it was only at %50 usage and was at 60c+ on idle.
I have since switched to Lian Li 360 closed loop cooler and now at idle its around 35c and under full load it hovers around 90c so yeah with some CPUs you NEED a good cooler.
I got a 12900k and I use a 360 mm aio runs nice
Same here, running a 13700K with Noctua NH-D15S. Barely does the job when under heavy load.
Contact frame helped a few spare degrees though.
Sadly AIO coolers are becoming a necessity because Intel is not as efficient as Ryzen.
Absolutelly, but not so much. Ive spent some 200R$(like 40 dolars) on a thermaltake one i think and my 2600x went from 85 to hardly over 60 overclocked to run on 115w. Now I'm on a 5700x that cant run over 100w as far as i knoe so its very cool.
even if im not overclocking i dont want a jet engine
Stock coolers for AMD Ryzen CPUs aren't really jet engines, though they are far from silent. Now, Intel stock coolers... that's a whole lot different story 😁
Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 non Pro or Pro and you can overclock with silence
You're not getting a "jet engine" unless something's wrong, chill out haha
Then set the fan speed correctly manually? Damn. How are you overclocking anything if you can't even do this.
After I bought 5600X in September 2021, I used stock cooler for a few months, along with stock fans that came with my case and I am telling you it was far from ideal. The CPU temps could get over 90 C. After a few months, I changed the case fans to Arctic P12 and that helped a little with the airflow, but I still got CPU temps over 80 in load. So, I went on and bought Fera 5 from, then, SilentiumPC, now Endorfy. Unless you are from Europe, you probably don't know this cooler, but here it is considered as ideal mid-range cooler, especially for CPUs, like 5600X. And it really helped. Very rarely I will get over 80 C, so, literally no thermal throttling anymore. and the noise level is also acceptable. So, while the stock cooler did its job, it was far from ideal even without overclocking and Fera 5 really did help me deal with the cooling issues I had. Of course, changing fans in my case for better airflow also helped. I am pretty sure Fera 5 itself wouldn't do such a good job if I kept my case's preinstalled fans. These things go hand in hand.
People buy AIOs to to temps in gaming, streaming, video content editing as it regulates the temps I the case alone air cooled fans are ok but some are to bit and wide and collide with other components but people like the AIOs for the lighting effects and with fans mounted in other parts of the pushes out the hot air circulating around the case but the case plays a major factor in it.
If u a decent case with lot of ventilation then a air cooler will do the job
have two Cpu coolers from Corsair that are 9yrs old for how I never had an issue with them or with my ICUE H100i RGB pro XT. for how they are still running strong without issue for how I do not buy from MSI after seeing the failure rate they had. for how I only stick to products that I trust
My observation: Also longer reliability and life kept cooler. And a Thermalright assasin is not super expensive and helps a lot over stock.
I have run stock to start before and drop 20 later on a cooler. I currently runn a 127090k and picked up a Thermalright 360 AIO ($52) and so far has been solid. Keeps the temp extremely well conrolled even under load.
I use an AIO largely for the lower noise under load. Also, I like that there is less weight attached to the motherboard.
The back plate spreads that weight over a rather large area so damage to mobo is very unlikely. Agreed AIO is less noisy at load but typically more noisy at idle. Very depended on how it was set up as well.
@@ouroesa My Corsair h100i v2 AIO is nearly imperceptible at idle. I can't even hear it when I put my ear up to my case. Granted it has a zero DB mode when not under heavy load but a lot of AIOs have that feature now.
Most of the time my Fridge is significantly louder than my PC even under load.
@@ouroesa I had a Mobo die after my computer case fell from knee high while moving houses. I blame the aliexpress tower cooler (it worked like a champ though). Now I run a stock AMD cooler but instead of runing the stock one that came with my 3600x I am using the bigger one that came with the Ryzen 7. I bought it for 5€ from a guy that installed an AIO. Best bang for the buck, more than enough cooling for regular use and RGB. 🤣
Most AIOs are louder than a good air cooler.
LTT even has a video about it
the nzxt 240mm kraken cooler without rgb is around 140$. It feels worth it considering the fact that you get a small lcd screen
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The legendary NH-D15 from Noctua was unable to cool my Ryzen 5950X adequately. I had to get an AIO CPU Liquid Cooler unfortunately... no RGB this time. 🤪
People in my country be having a stock 3600 or 12400F using AIOs + 20 bright case fans but then have a 720p GPU and 250GB storage
and then label their build "GAMING PC" :D
i have a thermalright in an open air case. best decision i ever made for thermals, price, and noise
I have a small case with a 5700G and nvidia 3600 And I bought a 120mm AIO Watercooler and I am very happy. I placed it at the back of the case and it blows the hot air from the CPU out. The whole system runs quieter and cooler now
I use a Ryzen 5600 with a MASTERAIR MA620P (beefy air cooler) and a water-cooled 3090 with it.
I use them to work and play games, but working with them is the main reason that I bought them.
I am safe whenever I need to do any intensive work for long periods... like 90-100% loads for 5 hours without rest, they will easily stay below 60C.
It's all about what you are doing.
Yes, Alot of motherboard companies enable settings in UEFI that automatically OC and then you also have the EXPO/DOCP/XMP that is also considered an OC according to Intel and AMD.
Honestly it depends, What are you going to do with your Computer? Gaming? Then yeah get a high end cooler for consistency of framerates, If you are a musician recording You probably want a watercooling system that will allow you to run a whisper quiet PC, Video? you might need the overhead depending on if you are using the Integrated GPU for acceleration on top of hammering all the cores.
I built a Ryzen 2700 System in 2019. Did not bother with the stock cooler but put a Noctua 120mm air cooler on it. It was alright, but seemed to struggle to hold max boost even though the temperature was still in the high 60's centigrade. I bought a 140mm Noctua cooler (one bigger) and it took off about 5 degrees of the CPU and it boosted higher and hat better performance in benchmarks.
I noticed similiar effects with several Ryzen CPU's from 2000 to 5000 series. My evidence may be anecdotal but I do definitely recommend getting an aftermarket cooler, ideally one with enough thermal mass to absorb load spikes.
I do agree that watercooling seems really unnecessary unless high end or overclocking.
Ah, the old reliable Hyper 212...I've still got a couple floating around for if I ever need to just jam something onto a computer and go.
Great exploration of multiple angles on the topic! I liked that you also threw in whether to use an older stock cooler or whether extra cooling overhead prolongs processor life. For fun I'll mention that from 2010 I gamed on an Intel Core i7 980X for about 7 years and continued to use that machine with zero issues in performance. I'm sure the people that got that system are still using it today. Stuff lasts longer than we necessarily need it to.
For reference:
I bought a cheap preabuilt pc.
It has asus prime b450m-a motherboard. I updated the BIOS yesterday.
It also has AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor 3.60 GHz.
With a little overclock fiddling (PBO) in the BIOS with most settings left untouched (so I don't brick the pc) I run a OCCT test and get an average 3.88-3.9 GHz speed and 1.3V power at a cool temp of 85C (95C is max reported by manufacturer). At lower temps I get 4-4.1GHz speed.
This seamless 0.4 GHz increase sounds pretty good for someone who doesn't try to break world records and just wants to game without spending much money.
I have a stock fan-on-top-of-funny-heatsink setup to work 100% at 60C and above, and a manual throttle limit of 85C.
I got these values in OCCT stability test.
I tried using stock cooler that came with my Ryzen 5600 on a new 5800x3d. It took like 10 mins for it to hit 90 degreess and start throtthling. I undervolted the CPU and it stabilized around 80 degrees during game play. But it was still too hot and I knew it wouldn't stay at that level when the weather gets hotter. I finally bought a deepcool AK620. Now the temperature is around 60 degrees during gameplays which is much lower than I expected and I'm very happy with it.
I disagree. Put on a big air tower cooler, e.g. the biggest Noctua, and you will have a silent, reliable and enduring cooling solution for many CPU generations to come. Other components will also benefit.
That would be nice, but it doesn’t help for builds in Small Form Factors, like Micro ATX or Mini-ITX.
Yes! I swapped my amd stock cooler for noctua and it is so much quieter. When i used to play games it used to spin up and make such a noise
I got an aftermarket cooler (back in 2017) less for the CPU temps, but more for the airflow of my case. Normal mid-tower. The GPU dumps out heat like its trying to recreate a perfect environment for cooking a turkey. The stock cooler blew air up at the glass and tended to make the through-flow really turbulent when it met the GPU flow. Back then, I could have gotten some super expensive fans to force a better flow, or I could get a cheapo CPU cooler tower that was more inline with the flow. Went for obvious choice. $20 of 2017 money and the GPU dropped in temp and the whole case flow was better! (Could be just be my case configuration, as I'm sure this prolly wouldn't affect most ppl's setups!) (Side note: CPU not overclocked, but GPU is in a round-about kinda way)
It would be cool if you can create a video about light-o-rama setup
Noise level is all I care about. I always install a large-diameter fans and noctua air cooler when I build. I run my computer 24/7 and I can't hear it at all unless I'm gaming with the GPU. I also haven't bothered to overclock since Sandy Bridge.
Use a copper pipe fan cooler from Cooler Master and it has been doing really well. Can't complain about sound either. And it wasnt expensive either. And my CPU is an intel 9th gen. Still running modern games just fine.
I just play games at realistic settings at stock speeds, and everything works great. I don't do any high end graphic rendering or video / photo editing. My Ryzen 3 3200g has been running stock since mid 2020, and it's trucking along just fine.
I don't overclock anymore, but i overbuild cooling solutions because i don't want to hear my pc even when holding my ear to it while using it to the max
I design and overbuild my systems because, like you, I don't want to hear The Battle of the Fans, but in addition, I want my CPU running COLD. As a result, my CPU rarely exceeds 40 C even when gaming, and my 2080 Super GPU rarely exceeds 50 C. Cold components perform better, and last much longer, regardless of the BS spewed here. 'nuff said.
To be perfectly honest, I bought a water cooling block for looks. Literally the only RGB on the system is the water block with the LCD screen. Everything else is gray and black since I got a nice screen that is shiny instead of matte. I might try a tiny bit of overclocking, but I'm not expecting a big boost. My last system could not physically overclock because I was using a Ryzen 2000 series board with a Ryzen 3000 series chip. I'll figure it out depending on the thermals under load.
I don't remember the last time I bought a cpu that included a cooler. I always buy a noctua fan and heatsink; I've heard too many horror stories about AIO
I like this guy's explanation style and voice 😊
i would say that a decent cooler can boost preformance by a bit. Since most cpu's nowadays boost untill they hit a certain temperature for amd this is like 90-95 degrees celsius and for the v-cache chips this is a bit lower 80-85 degrees C. So if you hit those temperatures there might be more preformance to squeeze out of the cpu cuz when you get under those temps you know it will boost almost always.
this has some other factors involved tho cuz during gaming my 7800x3d never goes above 65 degrees C while doing a cinebench run it hits 82 Degrees C so if youre going after just gaming preformence a good cooler is a tad bit less important then when you do heavy cpu workloads.
I personally use a Thermalright peerless assasin 120 for my 7800x3d and its a great cooler for 30-40 bucks. its a 120 mil dual tower dual fan cooler so well worth the money
When i build my first pc i fought with the temps of my 3800X on prime 95 at 4.5ghz all core. Needed like 2 months to get it that cooling at these chips is mostly limedet to the 7nm factoring with watercooler
Yeah, a AIO is worth it... not so much for temps going down, you might as well get a good Air cooler to get the same results but if you want to add some bling while not fully going costume and want your PC to run really quiet... they are a godsend(especially when you find a good deal and your Fractal Design AIO and it costs less then most 2 fan Noctua coolers)
my stock cooler for i5 11400f was reaching over 80C at gaming, so a overkill cooler was a no brainer
i bought a used Gammaxx 400 V2 at 15$ and very happy with it. cpu doesn't go nowhere near above 62C
2:24 when I built my PC I made this mistake, the PC came with an i3-4150, swapped it for an i7-4790K, kept the i3 cooler, big mistake, 100°C at barely 50% usage
I switched to an AIO in September from my NHD15S after 4 trusty years of service. I bought my revision 1 AIO in September and it failed last week... RMA was supposed to send tracking info for the new revision 2, that was 8 business days ago. Still waiting,.. I ended up buying another AIO. Only reason I'm not using my air cooler is because it doesn't fit with a vertical mount GPU.
i just use any 65 watt cpu and air cooling (noctua/ be quiet) and it lasted me for years. the only thing i need to change whenever i have problem with my cpu cooler is the fans. Im waiting for the day when air cooler, with advancement of tech, have an easier way to change its fan. like just slot in or something
Just tested a $20 Thermalright Assasin X R SE with an overclocked Ryzen 5 2600 pulling 115W and keeping cool at just under 51C. Even with a 150W CPU, like an old Xeon, I think temps would still only be around 60C, maybe a little more. Not bad for a thin, single fin stack. You might get a little more fan noise.
Nowadays, intel is putting out 300W CPUs. But some air coolers can handle that, usually at a lower price point than an AIO and with greater long term reliability.
The Wraith Stealth that came with my 5600X was completely unsuitable for the CPU and had it hitting more than 90C in stress testing.
I went custom water loop after my aio pump died. I no longer like the idea of not knowing what is happening inside and not really being simple to fix it. A new water pump is like 15 dollars. The waterblocks may be a bit more on the expensive side but you only need the cpu one and a radiator. Granted, now I have tons of radiators and waterblocks for cpu, gpu,ram and ssd but everything works better and its just switching a small part if you change a component.
Aftermarket coolers is almost always wort it to me (Ryzen Wrath Max was not too bad). Just get a half decent tower cooler.
Water cooling on the other hand is a bit more tricky. I got an 360 AIO (Deepcool LT720) it barely any better than my 5 year old CM Hyper 212 that was held on my 2 screws and a ziptie. It's also louder at idle. Only place it seems to edge out the win is at benchmarks or anything that puts 100% synthetic load on the CPU (I don't do any rendering etc but that might fall into this space).
I manually overclock my CPU and was only able to lift the PPT from 120w to 140w (which makes very little difference with my CPU - 5700x). Anything more than 140w starts throttling.
aah yes, a week ago I upgraded from my intel stock cooler to an NH D15, and it's a world of difference!
although part of it is that my GPU no longer fits in the slot because my motherboard sucks...
but it runs faster, it runs cooler, it runs silent. amazing!
I have a Plex server with a basic i5-11400 (so no overclocking) that would ALWAYS thermal throttle whenever Plex did its background stuff when using the stock cooler. I put a $17 Thermalright cooler on it and that's no longer an issue. I'll never use included coolers again
My stock cooled 5600x sounds like a jet from doing anything, even just opening chrome. Definitely getting a decent air cooler when I build a new PC later this year.
I don't overclock but I do typically buy a bit better cooler just to keep things running cooler in general. I always shoot for no more than 120F. Aggressive fan profiles.
I think you missed to mention that a stock cooler could greatly improve your CPU thermals if you want to keep using a case that doesn't have enough or good airflow. Having an AiO exhaust the hot air outside instead of throwing it all inside the case can help a lot while you finally decide to also improve your case
my toxic trait is that i want to buy a liquid cooler for my ryzen 5 5600 while being 100% aware that the stock cooler [or at most a cheap aftermarket 1 fan air cooler is perfectly fine
Thermalright has a 360mL AiO cooler for less than $100 CAD and it comes with aRGB fans. You can it it even cheaper if you get the non-RGB one.
just get a thermal peerless assassin 120 SE for 30 dollars. Pretty much the best cooler for everyday things. You only, really, need an expensive cooler, or some sort of custom water cooler, if you plan on overclocking. I have a 5800x3d processor and my PA 120 SE keeps it at 27c idle and 60-62c under load with underclockinging of -20.
I set my RGB to red-orange when gaming because it means it is radiating more heat. I know because my electric stove also turns that color when it is hot, i've touched it before.
Went from a 2700x to a 5800x and used the same stock cooler, though I definately wanted something quieter. Ended up putting all my old parts in a PC for my brother on christmas and needed a cooler, so I ended up using the stock cooler and used it as an excuse to get a NH-D15 Chromax.
I have a 50€ 360mm aio cooler with myself installed noctua fans which are brown. Bought it used from a friend who wanted an other model with RGB
I bought a cheap 5 pipe tower cooler after the stock cooler for my 2700x died, noticeable improvement, cable tied an extra fan to it and there are now 8 fans in the case, (11 including gpu) so its pretty windy in there.
Yeah, I'd agree that for most consumers the stock coolers are enough. Most people I'd wager don't OC and aren't running intensive workloads for prolonged periods. And something like an i5/R5 will probably do well enough with the stock cooler it came with.
I'd argue that you even get diminishing returns with an aftermarket cooler after some point. Paying however much for a 1dB noise reduction or 1-2C lower temp. avg. And then there's paying more for a certain brand or for RGB. Don't get me wrong, I go for whatever name brand cooler with some RGB fans personally but if money is the chief concern there are budget options that net pretty darn close performance to some of the top shelf offerings.
If we're talking high-end CPUs of course you want something comparable and not cheap out all the way to the bottom of the barrel, but for the average middle of the road computer it doesn't need an AIO pushing $300 unless they really want it for looks or something.
Now as for Intel's OEM push-pin CPU coolers, I hate those things. A screw-in alternative with a backplate is pretty much always better IMHO.
I recall paying 50 dollars for an aftermarket CPU cooler, a medium sized air cooler, and my i7-8700k would hit 80C at only 20 percent usage... 95C-101C when it hit 30 percent usage before throttling or shutting off automatically. Paid about 60 dollars a few years later for a basic AIO (albeit a 240mm instead of a 120mm as I had enough of the cpu's bs lmao) and now it can reach 100 percent usage and still hang around 90C-95C; I have yet to see it thermal throttle due to the radiator. I was rather happy finding a "good deal" during the chip shortage on a "coffee" lake cpu, saying how it must be the one I need, as I love coffee (was actually a joke, and specs seemed best for the performance range and budget at the time); I had no idea when I read that coffee lake chips run hot, they meant they run HOT, and for years I just dealt with the 30 percent usage limit on my cpu, even going so far as to try and undervolt it to better manage the temps.
I like my air cooler (BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4), but I have to admit I have to sigh in annoyance whenever I have to clean my PC because it's like removing Doom 3's Soul Cube from my PC every time I need to get underneath it. The size of the thing may just be the only mark against it.
Not sure that I agree with a word of this.....more than once I have had PC temps create shutdown scenarios, no overclock, with stock coolers.
One thing you did not say is whether the stock cooler can fit inside your PC case and that there are slim options out there
I use an AMD Prism cooler, with good case cooling, and while playing Fortnite at 240FPS while streaming, I hit 60°C Ryzen 5800X3D and fans still quiet. I thought I was going to need another cooler but I think not.
"Can you extant the Life of you CPU by getting a after Market Cooler?" "The Answer is probably no"
What? The Answer is Yes. Why? After Market Cooler can the CPU better cool and so becomes the Lifetime of the CPU a expanse. The level of heat is the aging effect by a CPU.
Have used a Corsair H105 since 2016 and still going strong with my AMD 7800X3D. I will be upgrading it though cause I think I've gotten my monies worth out of it. I used a custom curve for the AIO instaed of it running at 100 percent all the time so I think that's why the pump has lasted, and I changed out the fans with noctua's so overall I think I did good. =)
Yep - I've done setups exactly like your's, and they ran great. You did really well! 😉😉
My custom watercooling loop cools the cpu about as well as the 240mm aio I had previously, but putting my graphics card in the loop drastically reduced gpu hotspot temps.
Thanks for this! Unfortunately, i'm letting NZXT do me a custom AMD build. Their cooling options in the build menu are limited. They only show one air cooler in the list that, i hope, they think will cool my Ryzen 7800x3d - the one they show is their own T20. It doesn't look like much to me but IDK. The only other cooling solution would be their Kraken line of AOIs
Therefore, i may have to liquid cool for the first time in my life.
Do you happen to know about that T20 air cooler?
Thanks and again, loved the helpful video.
Planning an upgrade from this i7-6700 + GTX-750-Ti (+Linux Mint) to the upcoming R9 9950X + (inexpensive (cough) recent low end Radion GPU). The last round of R9 would get to 95C and throttle, and people lost their minds about it. AMD responded that that's what it was designed to do. Better cooling / more cooling capacity will result in better performance, but the chip will aim to clock up to the thermal limit.
It is a little early to say, but I would imagine the situation with the Zen 5 chips is going to be more or less the same. I also notice that after making the NH-D15 unchanged for nearly a decade, Noctua plan to release a newer version of it. It will have more heat pipes and closer fin pitch, better fans... I'm planning a next-gen D-15 to go in my 9950X.
Would I get a bit more cooling capacity if I stole a radiator out of a Mack truck?
Yes, possibly I would. But then I would have liquid flowing through my very expensive electronic toy, and after 20+ years of driving taxis on night-shift, I can recount stories of heater / demister cores / heater pipes that burst and leaked in behind the dashboard... I don't want to repeat that in my fancy very high end personal desktop.
There are other big air coolers that are nearly as good as the current D15, but Noctua are working on a new one, and I have faith.
On this old Intel box, a custom Linux kernel compile takes about 9 minutes. If you're curious, I recorded one a couple of years back, and posted it, so go to my channel and have a look. With the 16 cores and 32 treads, I'm hoping to be able to do that again in about 35 ~ 40 seconds.
Do I need that level of performance?
Do you need that Ferrari?
I want a new and improved Noctua NH-D15. I would say a 410mm cooler has a bit more capacity, but a 300mm cooler is roughly the same. Anything smaller than that, I'd bet on the D15. As long as it can stay under 95 C for about 2 minutes at full load, with all the self-clocking and turbo-boost and stuff turned on (not full manual overclock, which over-rides all that) then I'm happy.
I was gonna get a new ATX PC case since my entire mATX PC was overheating, but then I just bought a couple noctua fans and it's 20 degrees cooler. Definitely not a waste of money. Stock CPU fans are terrible.
You need one if you value silence.
We should only get aftermarket coolers for noise.
Stock CPU coolers are noisy, and you should get one that can cool your cpu by making as little noise as your gpu.
It's not worth it to get a overkill cpu cooler if your GPU keeps running louder.
Usually this falls around the 30-50 dollar CPU Coolers for "regular" 65-125W CPUs
Artic Freezer 34 is a good place to start
I kept the Wraith Prism cooler until the clip broke when trying to clamp it down the CPU after a routine repaste. I was super pissed. I loved the RGB on it, and just the way it looked in my case. Don't understand why they use plastic clips for the tension mechanism.....
I had 90 celsius on dead space remake with multistream via OBS. cpu 7800x3d, aio cooler corsair capellix h150i, paste: thermal grizzly kryonaut, pc case: lian li dynamic XL (without pc case fans), ambient temp around 27 celsius.
the chips I purchase, do *NOT* include stock coolers
I can't believe I just bought a 360mm AIO and then this video got posted literally 5 minutes later...
Voltage doesn’t go through. It goes across.
It is current that goes through.
The question is if I live in tropical country with average daytime temperature of ~30°C and I'm not a fan of using AC and prefer natural airflow helped with an exhaust fan, can a big heatsink cooler help in my case? I'm considering something like Ryzen 5 5600x or anything on par
Considering the only stock cooler I ever tried to use was dead out of the box, I don't even bother using them. They're built to be as cheap as possible which to me means poor tolerances, low quality parts like fan motors and little care about noise. For $30-50 you can get a cooler that can be used on multiple builds if you get adapter plates it just makes more sense to get way better performance and longevity than the pack-in.
50 bucks sounds cheap if you're american. For a lot of other countries, you just don't have that kind of budget to spend on a cooler, especially since a stock one or very cheap option proves more than adequate.
You kind of need a giant cooler air or liquid anyway. since modern cpu use every bit of thermal head room