Why Do People Still Use Fax Machines?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- How do fax machines work, and why do people still use them in the age of e-mail?
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I set up a fax modem in my computer at work and used that to send faxes. Recipients were amazed at the quality as they had never seen such a clear copy.
Can you get color fax?
@@armandraynal740 Never came across a color fax machine. There's no technical reason why not. I suppose they just didn't make many of those.
I feel like in some ways technology is actually becoming worse in favour of convenience.
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Thousands of dollars worth of modern computer components.
_Doesn't have a fax machine to use in video_.
Lol
Its ironic how Linus didnt have sponsors in this video
As fax as possible
I hope this gets pinned
As faxed as possible.
Da Blu Dood as inappropriate as possible.
ALPRE
As fast as fax
Just to add, there is also the cultural context to take in consideration. Japan, for example. put a lot of importance on hand-written documents. They consider such documents as something that contain sincerity or of great importance so a fax machine is a great medium to use for that.
it is no longer handwritten after being faxed though.
@@sayamqazi semantics smh
Sorry I'm late. I got the notification by fax.
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As a graphic designer, I often have clients trying to send me faxes assuming they will have color. No one seems to know anything anymore...
I work at a nuclear power plant (United States). When our emergency organizations are communicating with off-site agencies like the county and state, we have to send them faxes. We're just now convincing them that email is a preferred method, but faxes are actually more reliable. Reliability is kind of important in emergencies, so even after we start using emails, we'll probably keep the fax machines for backup purposes.
still to this day ive never seen one used with my own two eyes.
Same here. And I'm almost 30.
iownalx23 wait until you need to send medical or legal documents. my work uses it fairly regularly for certifications and work papers.
When you work for a Doctor then you will see they SUCK! I punched a few of them. Now days I use a scanner to pdf form. Faster better.
I'm exactly 30. About 10 years ago, I had fax-machine at home. And it was actually working.
iownalx23 I work on phone systems and virtually every customer I've worked on has fax machines. basically any office business uses them.
Canadian maple syrup as thermal paste
I genuinely want to see how efficient that would be
I am not gonna lie, it is SO convenient to use fax instead of email when dealing with bank, law, insurance and medical industries. Faxing documents is just way better than emailing. only downside is that the FAX line is quite expensive as it landline, but there are efax services out there that solve this problem.
What makes it more convenient? As I see it, fax is still used only because people in important organisations have refused to move with the times. The notion that fax is more secure than email (which can so easily be encrypted) is laughable.
@@donaloflynn I don't find scanning, transferring the file to my computer and then emailing it very fun. I think that it is just much easier to dial a number and automatically send them the file with no extra steps to take in between. It is honestly just faster and easier for me. Idk about you but I like using fax.
People in Japan still use fax machines. Not to mention that they don't accept credit cards at the cashiers. Also flip phones. They're still buying them...
flip phones are awesome, if my carrior still alowed i would still be using my old samsung. bigger phones are a pain in the ass also wtf they make the surface so smooth, have they ever heard of grip ?
Japan with these is in the year 3000
Their flip phone are a bit different from ours. It can take pictures, send emails, chatting, etc.
@@jamesisaac7684 so literally every flip phone ever made
@@NaschAzure yes, that's the point, to them, there's "no drawback" from using a flip phone, that's why he said that (I think)
80years Later
Why do people Still Use SMARTPHONE??
200 years later
Why do people still exist?
@@EddieKMusic thats already happened a while ago
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@@jazepol Because I produce music
I would frickin' run if a bomb was planted in my home.
EDIT: I would take my PC and run
The Real Bleach Yeah. the bomb is the 1 thing, in an otherwise completely believable scenario.
Or, if it has enough time left for a page to be faxed, you could just take it outside, run down the road, drop it, and then go about your business
but its Dennis, hes Asian, so he knows basic electronics
4ster Its gonna blow up anyways
That was a mininuke, running is futile.
The only problem with all your advantages, is that the phone company turns around, digitizes the audio signal, and transfers it over the internet...
No RGB Fax Machines?! WTF?!
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2:29 Most modern standalone desktop fax machines used thermal-transfer print
4:23 400 DPI is plenty enough, there's no use for more than that in an office
>Dot matrix, inkjet or laser printer.
Linus seems to have forgotten the kind of printer in 99% of fax machines, which is a thermal printer.
Some used thermal paper in a roll and there were other brands using regular paper but used a "thermal ink film" with the same basic concept to transfer an image into a sheet of plain paper.
"Telephone lines are more reliable"
*laughs in crappy ADSL*
Hey its crap because you can't pay the bills the cable is still better compared to what its carrying to your house
What about Australia's NBN? It's crappier than ADSL.
Fax machines are really a solid staple in the sales industry. Nearly every manufacturer and supplier require any and all purchase orders to be sent by fax. They often will not accept email PO's or phone PO's.
A company I used to work for interacts closely with Doctors, receiving medical records and whatnot, almost exclusively via fax, many doctors have a policy against sending sensitive information any other way, even when we introduced a "secure" online system, there was a very low implementation rate. Almost every one of them preferred to download the forms and fax them to us instead
Still true in 2024...
We used a fax machine in the US Army that would transmit via FM radio signal and used a spinning cylinder (sized for 8.5 x 11.5 inch paper) and a stylus/carbon paper setup to make the document.
3:29 they're not necessarily more secure, because they're going over an unencrypted shared medium. It does require hardware access to said bus and the message is never stored, but it's hardly a replacement for end-to-end encryption.
"HOW DO I DEFUSE IT?!"
"Cut the red wire dude"
Further conversation never took place
-Linus Seb
400dpi is actually pretty good. Professional printing for books is usually 300dpi
rude fax is still used in some countries... like North Korea
Aron Flavio Luciano I live in Antarctica and we still use fax machines.
Rude fax?
crude
Thats because the internet in Antartica is dogshit though
um.............................
Good thing I was able to use one during my office job and some staff taught me the simplest way of handling and using the fax machine.
They should only use fax machines at LMG for one day.
Fax machines process RED footage great.
Hahaha
Sever Upgrade adds phone lines.
It's extremely handy in the office.
You can essentially send a physical letter to the recipient without requiring physical mail services, which can take up to 3 days.
It's instant and physical. An e-mail is seen as very informal in offices, according to my experience anyways.
My dad used his fax machine up until only several years ago when the places that did happen to use fax stopped using it. I honestly don't know how the technology survived this long. His fax machine is still in the same place acting as a secondary phone
We live in an age where 20 minutes is too long for sending a message...
Technology is awesome :)
I used a fax machine today. I work in an accounting/tax office and we have to regularly send documents to the government tax office, and we can only do it via mail or fax.
Fax machines are still in constant use in Japan. You can even buy brand-new fax machines in stores! It's insane!
We bought in Germany a new one last year for our doctor's office^^
Also, since fax doesn't interface with a computer, some places that need official documentation will accept faxes in place of hard copies while not accepting scans. (scans could be digitally edited)
Linnoff
I could just scan, edit, print, and then fax that.
Go for it I guess. I can't remember what the exact reason was, but I needed to send someone my birth certificate and they needed me to either mail the original or fax them a copy. They told me they could not accept a photocopy. I'm not saying it makes complete sense, but that's what happened.
Linnoff
Yeah, I think the main reason fax is still used is the legal system built around it and people who can't or won't adjust to changing technology. My office still gets faxes from people at billion dollar companies.
The place where I work has a few departments that occasionally still receive information by fax as well, though not on paper anymore. Something in the server that handles phone stuff turns them into a digital format which ends up being dumped somewhere for people that need to be able to receive them.
I suspect its probably some hospitals and other medical professions that send the majority of that traffic considering the field that department is active in. But I wouldn't be that surprised if finances gets the occasional fax too.
I was given that reason too, so I edited it with MS Paint with ridiculous results (drug test) and sent through the real one and the obviously edited one together.
Two Words: Legal Precedent. Most people I know who rely on faxes need so because of legal reasons. Because of the legal precedent, and the knowledge of how it can't be modified as easily as a digital document, it's the one of the most common type of document transfer between law offices.
Video:
People still use fax machines.
Me: *fax*
Love him or hate him, he spittin' straight fax.
You forgot Thermal faxes that need the special rolls of thermal paper. My work still has a Panasonic thermal fax machine in the copy room just in case we ever do need it with our PBX phone system, but I think the last time we used it was over a year ago, or so.
"And his phone disappeared in a puff of logic" I died of laughter
Oh my god JC, a bomb!
A BOMB
No you can not
Sometimes you just can't get rid of a bomb...
Eric Dodson This made me sad reading this...
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Just an FYI .. there have been color faxes with photo settings for at least a decade. We still use faxes for sending / receiving financial information for our clients... Contacts and documentations in general are electronic, scanned PDF's (since the 90's), and more recently digital signature services such as DocuSign.
If you find someone emailing your SSN, DOB, etc unencrypted then I'd sue them! Banks, financial services industry, etc still use faxes.
Please make a video titled "What is Fuchsia OS?"
google's "new" operating system, that is not based on linux.
OK, but I want Techquickie to make an episode about Fuchsia OS
DodoGTA GT He basically gave you all the information that they would give you.
You just asked what it is, you did not say " please make a video about ... "
or anything similar. I just wanted to help someone out. Sorry.
At these early stages, probably, even Google doesn't have a clear idea as to what it is :P At best they have ideas that may or may not work out. Project Ara was a great idea but was shelved, so we just have to wait and see how things are going to turn out with this "OS".
The fax machine is super important and you hit the nail on the head when it comes to why they still exist. I think they will be around for a long while.
Most hospitals still use them regularly. I use it regularly at work they’re not going anywhere anytime soon
I enjoy your shows. To show my support, I'll fax you $20.
In some countries legal documents are only accepted via fax or postal service, while e-mail or any other electronic communication is not seen as "legal".
Fax is only as secure as the PSTN it travels over, namely, not secure in the least.
Tapping an analog phone line doesn't require much skill, but it does require physical access. Given that physical security has been around much longer than digital security, it's understandable that companies would put more faith in their security team's ability to keep intruders away from the phone lines than they would put in their IT team to keep their software secure.
You know phone switches have remote management features that has taping built in, right? So not only are faxes physically vulnerable, they're logically vulnerable as well.
nothing to interesting is ever going to be faxed and seating up a interception fax machine means you gotta know how to make it ignore the identity challenge handshake then have the key for the intercepting fax listening to the transmission to print the fax (there are encryption methods on fax machines)
Contracts, patient medical data such as test results, identity documents and so on are regularly sent via fax. Hardly "nothing interesting" for certain parties.
Security through Obscurity.
I am learning so many fax today!
You forgot one (pretty important) reason why fax machines are still being used: CONFIRMATION that what you sent has been received. For a company, thats pretty important. I personally have a customer (multi-national company) that insists on placing orders via FAX for that very reason .
My fax says when it sent or didn’t, the only error ever had was wrong number
Still safe as long as that other number does not have a fax
There is also the issue that with the increasing adoption of pure VoIP telecommunication solutions, fax transmission is only becoming less reliable. Fax requires an uninterrupted data stream. In the world of IP data transmission, it is often the case that packets arrive late, or in the wrong order and if the receiving party has a traditional fax machine instead of what is essentially an email client with an integrated printer then even a slight amount of packet loss will cause transmission to stop.
I know personally people who run companies that offered (note the past tense) fax services to businesses, and they had to stop offering them because of how unreliable fax is over VoIP. In many European countries the ISDN and analogue backbones are being taken offline, with Switzerland having everybody on VoIP by the end of 2018. Deutsche Telekom is aiming to turn off ISDN in Germany by the end of 2019. From that point onwards, fax will be obsolete.
Even if you have a pair of analogue or ISDN fax machines connected to an FXS, BRI or PRI connection, at some point it will be converted to an IP packet stream and back, which will cause latency, packét loss and ultimately cancelled fax transmissions. Anything longer than a few pages will be impossible to reliably transmit.
I actually learned how to use one of these today, it was easier than I thought lol
in germany we use fax as proof that we cancel a contract.
emails will not be accepted in court.
The fax header with the " acknowledgment of receipt " is a valid proof that the contract has been terminated in period of notice.
Emails will be printed out later and can be changed, so emails are not a document of proof.
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The financial services industry uses fax to transmit documents which would be blocked by email servers. one example is that your mortgage loan officer is likely sending a document with your name, address, ssn, dob, employment history, ect... to your insurance agent using fax to get them the info they need to start your homeowners insurance because the bank's email server would block the sensitive personal information.
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I work for a government agency and we are required to send certain types of documents by fax. New fax machines are able to send higher resolution and even color. The thing that we have to do in some cases is; call the receiving unit and verbally verify that receiver is ready to accept the transmission. Then we hit send on the fax to ensure that the intended recipient is the only one that can receive the document.
xD the intro was perfect.
Many years ago companies would send spam and ads directly to your fax machine, so the paper shredder was the adblocker
Oh I'm watching this on that disappeared phone, even my Spigen Tough Armor is the same color lmao
Am I the only one who caught the Douglas Adams joke in the opening sketch? That was most excellent, Linus!
As Fax As possible
Monty You STFU
AFAP
Oh yeah yeah
Tau You stole that comment
Faxes seem to be a US thing. Here in sweden I haven't seen one since the 90's, I'm still amazed that us companies expect me to have access to one whenever I need to send / receive something.
A big reason fax is still in use is legal reasons. Many governments recognize a fax with a signature the same as an original document, but a scanned, digital copy is often still considered a copy rather than an original and isn't valid for a lot of things.
Mt work uses a fax to place 99% of our orders with suppliers and we receive a lot of invoices (and spam mail) through fax also. We could move it all to email but because everything is hand written it would turn 5 seconds of faxing into 10 minutes of turning on a computer, typing up or scanning in an order, e-mailing and printing a copy.
Fun fact: I recently got offered a ribbon based fax machine alongside an early LED flatbed scanner (both daisy chained off a single printer port). I saw no use for it as my wifi capable printer works under Windows 98.
That's almost as bad as my older neighbor I've know all my life, and is like one of my aunts asking me about a year ago when she was cleaning out her Attic if I could use an Atari 1027 Wheel printer for anything, and those things where junk when they where new as they could only print the charters on a plastic wheel that would break over time, and have prices of it flying all over the place, and would also spit ink all over the paper, not to mention very loud which is a sound I remember from childhood when I use to go to her house to play NES with her Son who is 2 years older then, and she would be typing her "Million Dollar Novel" that never got sold btw on her Atari 800 with Atari writer lol!
That kind of thing was common for me for a long time because I was stuck with a desktop cobbled together from various outdated-when-new parts, which ended up being the only working Windows 3.1/98SE desktop in my entire family., which meant that I ended up with all of the old peripherals. Though the ribbon printer I had during 2002 was actually quite good-except for the rapidly dwindling supply of ink. I could actually still use it under Windows 10 if I hadn't dumped it, because the fax machine had a working Printer to USB adaptor.
I feel ya there back in high school when I was building my first Windows 98 machine from scratch getting a mix of used old parts, and new stuff, and the printer I had was a Canon BJC 2000(could get both ink tanks for $6 total with free shipping from PrintPal.com) I found sitting in my uncle's office who was gonna toss it because his work gave him a fancy HP laser printer, and I used it till the mid 2000's when it finally gave up the ghost.
The first Fax machine was 1880.
the "Pantelegraph" could NOT read in anything, it could NOT scan in a document and in order to send anything it required the user to actually use the device to write/draw something.
if you still say this is a fax machine than any telegraphing would have to count .... so smoke signals too.
Also - listening in on your landline is far easier than hacking a computer. And i mean a lot lot easier even. Phonecalls are just inherently not secure. if you want any security use some encryption.
Did you know the official communication method between the two Koreas is fax?
Actually, in Germany it's not even really possible to send fax without internet anymore because POTS got phased out and fax is now actually fax over IP. And yes, that is a thing. Fax. Send over the internet.
Try trouble shooting transmission errors, or routing them out a VOIP router, or integrating a fax server with a VOIP system. Then you'll see that this ancient relic of the past is not so simple, but can be a living nightmare to get working.
However, that being said, once the damn thing is working, it actually stays working with pretty good reliability, and I hate to say it but there's still many times when a user can't wrap their heads around scanning and emailing (especially if you're encrypting it) but they never have trouble sending faxes.
Though sometimes there's still the occasional case where you get two fax machines that don't like each other and won't communicate with each other no matter which settings you use (at least this is rarer now), and then they throw you under the bus because you can't make a simple fax go through....yes, I do hate the infamous fax machine with a passion and it burns me that even when archaic laws and regulations aren't a problem that people still rely on the damn things.
I completely & wholeheartedly agree. Don't you wish the US would ban faxing?
NeighborhdTechGeek That would be Awesome! I'd love to see these relics of the past die out and only live in museums where they belong.
OH gwgux, find the BIGGEST bridge and get over yourself ...
never gonna happen, you will be 6 feet under LONG before they are gone! SO take a nerve pill get over yourself @@gwgux
Love him or hate him, this dude's spitting straight fax
lol I like the fact he doesn't have a fax machine in the office he can use in the skit but he dose have a manual typewriter.
Luke: Linus I need to use the fax machine for this skit we are using for the next tech quickie. Where is it?
Linus: we don't have one.
Luke: what should I use?
Linus: oh we have an old typewriter use that.
Luke: really? ....wait this is a manual typewriter, why do we have one of these but not a fax machine?
Linus: turnip
"but hold on! theres a problem! the year is 1970 and his phone vanishes in a puff of logic"
my one weakness...
"as much as we love them" yea... Trying being the person that fixes fax machines. They suck.
Just putting 400dpi in perspective: many newspapers are printed at 220dpi and Adobe's "High resolution print" setting is 300dpi iirc.
Someone requested that the other day and in my mind I thought... or would you prefer Carrier Pigeon?
the artist they're extinct lol
Umm, there are still carrier pigeons. It's not a species; it's just a trained pigeon.
It is not even a trained pigeon. It is simply a pigeon taken from its home. Pigeons were selectively bred for their ability to return home ergo the word "homing". You simply take a pigeon from where it is nesting across the country and when you want to send a message there, you release it with said message attached. The pigeon will unerringly return to the place you took it from. This makes it annoying when you have to manage pigeons from many locations, as you need to know which pigeon will fly where and always keep them segregated. After all it wouldn't do if you want to send a secret message to your ally only for your pigeon to fly to the enemy.
Because of HIPPA laws & complications due to internet security,, many medical organisations will only transmit or receive documents by fax or USPS.
How long(or short) did it take(or short) you guys to think(or short) of that bizarre intro?
Dr Nooberious short
very
here in germany the most phone/fax lines are emulated over the internet and then decoded by a VOIP router. so if the www is down for me, the phone line is also down
0:01 Yea , That's happened to me all time =D
my friends and I were having a conversation about this at lunch. Thank God this video was uploaded today.
This is by far the best intro to a video they've ever done.
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The Railroad industry in the US is very dependent on fax machines too, for a variety of things..
Primarily, There are 3 pieces of paperwork issued everyday that conductors and engineers are required to carry with them (summary, supplemental, and RB). They come over fax after 4pm for the next day (but can also be emailed if fax is offline). So you come in to work, grab and organize your faxes. Then fax your conductors report to the railroad that owns the section of track you will be operating on (if you're going to be operating on some other companies rail), and then go off to work..
"puff of logic"
Douglas Adams anyone?
My company still uses a fax machine daily. I am a satellite yard here in Acheson, Alberta of my parent yard in Calgary, Alberta. When I ship stuff out, it gets a signature on it. At the end of the day, everything that was shipped out gets "faxed" down to Calgary. It is because a faxed signature is legally binding, whereas scanning and email isn't for some reason. It would be so much better and easier to just be able to scan everything then email it. But then again, everything gets printed off so they have a hard copy. So much for going to a paperless society. It is still a long way off.
I started this video wondering why fax is still used, and I finished the video still wondering why fax is still used.
There is this one company I know of that still use fax... The don't have a phone number, just a fax address, and it is kind of the only thing you can use to contact them because their email is broken
God and Lord Linus!
I'm begging you! Can you make a video about color format (RGB) vs YCbCr 444?
Why should we use those settings? and which one is better?
Also for the people that are using 4K TV's as monitors why is the importance of using certain settings.
I did a little research but i could't find anything useful on the internet except for dumb threads on forums with stupid answer.
I'll give 1 anecdote about YCC instead of RGB over HDMI, I have a TV that has the dynamic backlight feature but it only works with YCC. It stays at a fixed level with RGB.
IOW try both and see which works best for you.
I would use RGB if everything works with it, as there is probably less of an conversion happening.
And make sure you have the right number. We once had a nursing home start faxing us records. We faxed them back that they had the wrong number and shredded them.
Maple syrup is no joking matter
in my business they still use the rope-and can for communication because its rugged simplicity allows for very discrete communication
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Shining Armor it's a pipe bomb!
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Why not? It's basically like sending mail instantly and many, many fields still need paperwork for things.
Why do people say im early
they are on time :/
spread this over youtube to stop the cancer
Because memes
Bandit Leader lmao
That beginning part would be a pretty decent bed time story.
you could of just used a Note 7 in the beginning instead of that bomb
When my dad worked at the Police, his friend needed to send an important document and the boss walked in and said "Oh my, if your sending an important document, you need to out it in an envelope." Then randomly out the other end came a picture of an envelope...
wait what the bombs empty? didnt luke make a pc inside it
Unimportant Account I would imagine it was re-stripped for parts, seeing as its only use prior to this was as a wall ornament.
"Vanishes in a puff of logic." That is so good. I'm totally going to use it in arguments in the future.
A "phone line" is about as real a thing as a GIF on Twitter.
when I was a kid I saw a fax machine in a book and thought it was some futuristic shit that people could send emails and have a physical copy immediately
That recreation of a bomb defusal wasn't accurate enough, luckily though they've got a Channel Super Fun with just that!
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More like downvote for your username, wapaneese idiot.
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You forgot security. Fax is tamper evident because it's analog - PDF files are not. If we're sending a doc by email, we print it then scan it as a PDF.